I had the Capcom collection for the Saturn back in probably 1999. The local Electronics Boutique in Columbus OH started selling Japanese imports of Saturn games when the US Saturn games market dried up in 1998; however, the imports didn't do great since local Saturn owners would have to mod their machines, or buy a 4-in-1/5-in-1. Which meant I was able to buy the collection for 8 bucks (the same price I paid for the Saturn Konami MSX Antiques Collection :)). I did enjoy the games, though I tended to gravitate towards 1943 Kai for some reason. Nowadays if I want to scratch the shooter itch, I have Capcom Classics Collection for the PS2. It has all three.
Oh this game is my JAM! Played it every Sunday after church at the Bowling Alley when I was a kid. I loved the NES port too. This game is like comfort food for me. I can't believe Capcom just GAVE it away for free on the Switch. It was definitely one of those "It's not even my birthday!" moments for me.
I like the NES and the 32-bit ports best for 1943. The BGM on the Amiga and ST ones is good, but it's a shame about the collision detection and speed issues.
These quick conversions ordered by western publishers that just wanted to sell as fast as possible a game in a box with cool visuals is a terrible thing. Even when developers made a good job technically, it remained gameplay flaws as there was no time for testing before sending the program for masterisation.
Capcom’s mid-late 90s fighting games (like Street Fighter Alpha/Zero or the early Marvel comic games) are supposed to be nearly arcade accurate on the Saturn compared to the PSX. I think some of them do require RAM expansion cartridges, but from what I’ve seen/heard about them, it’s totally worth it to get the best experience.
I've got some indescribable fondness for how long the stages are in Varth, but it has the audiovisual and gameplay elements to make up for it. Wish they'd given that one a port job.
It's probably just more apparent in the NES version because you can see a number ticking down- but the energy gradually goes down on the original arcade version also, sort of in an effort to simulate depleted fuel. That's why weapons can generally be cycled to a energy refill, to help with the ever-depleting fuel. Also many hidden items that will refill all fuel.
Yeah. It does decrease faster in the Famicom port though. I counted 3 seconds before it goes down by one in the arcade and 1 1/2-2 seconds in the Famicom port
The C64 also had '43: One Year After, which is of course is an unofficial ripoff that somehow got away with copyright. Not very good at all but at the time I didn't mind these ports.
Great vid thanks Mark, I was playing this a couple of days ago on the Saturn and I find it to be really annoying with that health meter and the topping up of it being a huge distraction from the fun of shooting stuff, if it was 1 a hit kill system I might have liked it a bit more. I do remember enjoying a version at a seaside arcade which was fairly easy so I guess it had it's dip switches adjusted.
Love 1943 ( Kai ) on pcngine 👍 I knew this was versions of the og being showcased here btw, just Kai is my fave port of the series, no disrespect meant at all. ✌️
Saturn wins again. The Playstation port has a STRECHED tate MODE, so it fills YOUR TV screen without any adjustments. However that messes the horizontal controls up. Where as the Saturn version has 1:1 controls. Also OI ME SPECCY :D
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This is my favorite overhead shooter ever, before the genre just became nonsense bullet hell garbage. Also on the graphics, going into an arcade in the 80s this game looked pretty good, it wasn't anything special, but I don't think it looked dated. Also I didn't realize this came out in 87, I always thought it came out earlier. Anyways the NES version of this game was great in that you had to do the power ups, that gave you a reason to keep playing it over and over. I also had it on the C64, which as a kid I always thought kind of sucked. In any case it was a HUGE upgrade over 1942 - from graphics to gameplay it was just dramatically better and nothing was more disappointing than going to an arcade or seeing machines at the store or Pizza Hut and seeing the 19 part, and then seeing it was 42. BOOOOO! Still upset at that.
Hell yeah! I've been wanting to see this for a while. The arcade, PS1 and NES versions are my top tiers when it comes to trying it out. I wonder if you'd cover the Kai release as a bonus
@@RetroCore Ahhh the Japanese version of Kai can be a bad bitch, especially on the last stage. In the US versions, continues are unlimited the entire way, while in the Japanese version, come the final stage, you can kiss any continues goodbye as the game disables them by then.
Yes, CPC users love the 1943 port, like the first one. My favorite is the NES one cause of the RPG elements. I underestand that the PS2 collection that include this game is emulation right?? So it's different from the PS1.
Not emulaion, but the PS1 Cap Gen ports all stuffed into 1 disc, with a few extra games actually running off emulation, like Forogtten Worlds, Section Z, and others. You can tell everything is Cap Gen PS1 by the Street Fighter ports having load times (which were shortened, but not removed), and the dark backgrounds on Ghouls N Ghosts.
still much better sound when compared to the crappy sound from 1942. btw the Atari ST speed looks wrong when compared to other videos (has not tested this game). so the speed seens to been emulator overclocked from a game that was not designed with that in mind, but should have been more closed to the speed from the Amiga version. So the speed can been a emulation issue? A least on the original Atari ST hardware. Some games might support Atari STe.
Probably running a 50hz game on a 60hz system. That causes issues like this due to the frame timing in the main game loop messing up. They could have coded it properly to detect what region machine it was running on but this is us gold/probe so not surprising they couldn't be bothered, or maybe it was never released outside Europe on the ST, who knows.
im havent tested this game on original hardware, but its looks the original was a 25 fps game, but can run 50fps on accelerated atari as im have understand and seen. That is actuelly pretty nice to see. That also why Amiga versions fells much slower? Yes the Amstrad looks and fell great and they did the right comprimises for that version.
I honestly thought I had owned the Amstrad CPC version when I was a kid, now looking at your video I realise I was wrong... Instead I had TIGER SHARK - Which was virtually a clone of this type of game! For all its flaws, namely it had VERY POOR Colour and Bullets would get hidden in the background due to it being a more detailed Spectrum Port... Was a really good blast! 1943 pales in comparrison... but I have to give credit where its due... The CPC Port looks OK given how much Probe tried to push it! I would have been happy had I got this as a child! The Atrai ST Port - HOLY HELL, I AM GLAD I NEVER OWNED THAT!!! WHAT THE FLYING ...
It actually has everything. I was just using a different screen mode which moves the score off to the side. I had masked that off in post production though. The PlayStation has this screen mode too.
Ah, those early Atari/Amiga games where they managed to get even their lead machine (ST) port suck. The sea background pattern is eye destroying on those two ports. The Amstrad doesn't look too bad but why did these idiots put stuff on the side of the screen? That prevented them from using the CPC's hardware vertical scrolling capabilities which would have allowed the game to run faster. Great way to give oneself more work and make the game worse at the same time... Can't expect too much of Probe after all. Thanks for the video!
I have to agree with your opinion of this game in general. It is a very polished game that plays well, but it is not exciting. I never felt like a powerful badass while playing it. Now fast-forward to the game 19XX, which in my opinion is one of the greatest vertical shmups ever made. You feel like a TOTAL badass while playing that game. I would donate a kidney if Capcom would make a modern sequel to that game specifically, with its lock-on feature preserved or even expanded. 19XX also sounds incredible, particularly the jungle stage 3.
Yeeeah, gonna have to disagree with you on the arcade music. It sounds much better than the average arcade game of 1987 (like R-Type, which, as much as I like it, has some piercing leads, Double Dragon, Contra, which sounds even more thin imo, etc). Even more so impressive too once you consider this game used the YM2203 chips over the much more powerful YM2151 chip that those games listed used.
The music of 1943 is absolutely catchy and fabulous. On the downside... playing the game for too long an the main theme will loop forever in your head.
Had and played back in the day the Amstrad CPC port which I liked it but the problem was that is too damn short only two stages and when you beat them it repeats again!! sadly
imo the biggest improvement between 1942 and 1943 is the damn music lol i cant play 1942 without leaving with a migrane. gladly the ps2 port (or emulation i guess) has an arranged music option which makes it quite more playable :)
I quite like the 1942 series, though 19XX is my favorite. I think the one word to describe 1943 is "improved". 1943 is a great improvement over 1942 in the arcade as well as the NES port. Luckily, Micronics gets kicked to the curb for the Famicom, and Capcom puts in a good showing themselves. I do definitely prefer 1943 改 on the PC-Engine, but 1943 is still a nice, fun shooter on the NES and blows away the 1942 port. Sadly, though those of us with Nintendo's console got a well-made port, it seems the 8-bit micro owners got shafted with the UK equivalent of Micronics: Probe. Now, I do like some of Probe's games (Forsaken, some-but-not-all of their Mortal Kombat ports, etc), but we all know that half of the time they produced some of the janky-est playing ports around.
I noticed the PlayStation dropping enough frames, to even wreck the tidal wave effect of the arcade version. Then again, both it and the Saturn have slightly inferior quality audio overall...
Why does it feel like the color scheme for the ZX port was flip-flopped? Like it was meant to be blue with white highlights instead of being white with blue highlights? That split second of the bomb giving the game a seizure made it look much better. Here, it's eye strain.
The thing is most people who had a ZX Spectrum were playing it on a 14inch black & white screen. May maybe thats why they went with the odd colour choice?
Even if it was in black and white, it's still a weird aesthetic choice. It's probably not the case, but it almost feels like there was some programming error or glitch that reversed the colors.
I'd give this one to the Famicom port. Even though it doesn't look as nice as the arcade/PS/Saturn, the gameplay is just better balanced and the music sounds better imo. It's funny that some of the enemy ships in that version sound the same as when enemies dive bomb you in Galaga.
Was that intro tune the remix found on Capcom Classic Collection Volume 1 on PS2? I haven't fired it up for a long time, maybe it's time for another go. Especially since I have recently gotten my son into Sky Force Anniversary on PS4, which takes inspiration from the 19XX series, I'm also trying to show him older games, we completed Mega Twins together the other day- thank goodness for infinite continues! Since I started watching your videos, I am surprised that Probe Software don't live up to the reputation they had back in the day. I remember Zzap 64 loved them! But, Tiertex handled the C64 version here. How did they ever get a contract? They were a terrible development team. I still have trauma over how they handled Strider!
@Diskun I've been buying retro games online for well over a decade now, and a friend of mine did it for longer, it was always Yahoo Japan Auctions in Japan, and you had to have a middle man to get the games for you overseas in Japan.
He clearly played 60hz version. But I'm puzzling about the slowdowns due to 60hz display on ST, a system that usually perfectly support 60hz display in games. More puzzling, the Amiga version hasn't this problem in 60hz while it seems just to be straight port of the ST version.
If I remember correctly this game was a neverending game right, was there a way to complete it or did it just go on and on? The psone version has frame and graphical issues so the arcade and saturn versions look 99% the same 😊
At the start of the C64 version, the scrolling goes jerky when the plane loops the loop! Is that a problem with the emulator, or does it happen on a real C64? Also of slight amusement is Go/US Gold's advertisement featuring a build of the Atari ST version that didn't exist.
Saturn doesn't support a horizontal resolution smaller than 320 meaning that in tate mode the top and bottom of the screen will have huge borders - not cool.
The Arcade version has a resolution of 256 x 224. Capcom did not redraw the graphical assets for Generation 1. However the Playstation version uses a nasty VDP stretch, which messes the controls up. If you want a full screen Tate mode on Saturn: TV Service Mode -> + H Stretch.
How times change. I used to enjoy playing this game as it was originally intended (without rapid fire). Now I cannot play an old skool shooter without adding rapid fire to it. And yes I consider that cheating, so I cheat when I play this game again.
You forgot the PS2 version under Capcom Classics Collection. I'm assuming that version is probably emulation. But I will say the NES version is my favorite port. Saturn version is Arcade-perfect.
Wasn't there a PC Engine or Supergrafx port of this game too? Or was it a Super CD title? I can't recall. Only know that it was on the PC Engine in some form. How come that wasn't included here? Is it a different version of the game or something? I remember really loving my time with that title, and I always really enjoyed this series as a whole whenever I would play it. It may not be the most graphically impressive, but the gameplay is VERY polished & fun. One of my favorite shooter series' for sure.
Can anyone tell me why Amiga games, the ones that use MOD sampler files for audio, have to hard pan the sound effects along with the audio? Was that the only way to make mod files, either all 4 channels were l/r or mono, but both was somehow impossible?
There are only 2 channels per speaker, so to get stereo sound fx they would have to sacrifice 1 channel from each side and thus only have 1 per side for music, which would sound dreadful. There were ways to get more perceived channels out of the sound chip by downmixing or rapidly cycling samples at the expense of audio quality and cpu load but im not aware of any games using this.
@@jojojoma3026 yup, it's a great pity they didn't add 4 more channels or just make it mono like the c64. Having said that, most people used their Amigas through a mono domestic TV with the modulator and the stereo to mono cable so probably didn't notice the hard panning.
To put the lamentable Amiga version into perspective, it was an ST port, doesnt use Amiga hardware at all, and was released as a budget title, I.e. they were never putting any effort into it. You only have to look at quality like Hybris released at the same time to know the Amiga could have handled 1943 with ease.
@@RetroCore I dont think I could have slagged it off any more than I did lol, actually, I can. Whilst Probe got much better later on, this conversion was Probe in its infancy, but budget title and US Gold, never a recipe for success. US Gold releasing other developers original games? They did well, with Lucasarts, Delphine and others, but US Gold titles instigated by US Gold.......I just dont recall anything they did that was any good, some say Mercs was OK, but by then, the damage was done, you just wouldnt buy their shit. They were pretty big during 8bit/16bit days, but it's amazing how quickly they sold themselves to Eidos and disappeared instantly. No-one misses them, certainly no Amiga owner does.
Coin op is mostly good but not without drawbacks. ST isn't all too hot. Amiga isn't making things better. CPC is better despite weaker hardware. C64 isn't all too hot. ZX Spectrum deserves two middle fingers up. NES is a solid offering. PS1 is a great way to play. Saturn is a leap forward. Java was weak.
1943, the Japanese game celebrating a Japanese defeat in 1942. 1943 - the Japanese game that was butchered by all the hack western developers who had a crack at it, almost as if Capcom were intentionally licensing it to the worst of the worst as a form of petty revenge.
Great comparison, shame about the 16 bit conversions, so lazy and sloppy on systems that could have got a lot closer to the arcade. Also, would have been good to know which of the ports supported simultaneous 2 player, or did they all?
The clouds in the Saturn version are the wrong colour so the Playstation wins in my opinion. The Amstrad version looks pretty good. Spectrum version looks reasonable and is faster than the Amstrad one. C64 version is typical Tiretex half arsed rubbish, I think the only decent thing they ever coded was paperboy on the master system. I remember seeing screenshots of the ST/Amiga versions in magazine ads and thinking it looked amazing, glad I never brought it as they look awful to play.
@@meetoo594 You can't go wrong with either the PS1 or Saturn Cap Gen 1 compilations, though I bought the Saturn version when it was far cheaper than what it goes for now, paid $10 off Digital Press Forums for it, and Metal Slug for Saturn for also $10 from the same guy all those years back.
Surely a hack exists of the NES port to make your energy not drain. Cus yeah, that is just plain stupid. More early NES bs for hackers to correct. Surely a few small edits with a Hex editor would be all that's required to keep it from happening.
@@RetroCore oh… you won’t like the snes version of it because it has the same issue but the character has a Delay so the camera can adjust the character is looking at
Oh come on man. Lol that is such a copout to tell us to decide which port is better. Just give us your opinion already! Lol which is better? And are they arcade perfect?
Lol, yeah it's the Saturn. Just didn't want to deal with all the PlayStation fanboys being butt hurt because their ultimate console isn't the best at everything like they seem to think.
@@RetroCore Lol I figured it was something like that. Hey man, no need to be afraid of the truth or your own personal opinion. Can always just say hey this is my opinion but feel free to make your own judgment.
Probe often did pretty good 8bit ports but very lazy St and amiga games As I kid I shuddered everytime i read teirtex were handling the conversion. Always poor
USN pilot destroying waves of Japanese forces. An average setting... but for Capcom?! Addendum: and the Amiga port is crap. What else is new for this poor untapped platform?
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I had the Capcom collection for the Saturn back in probably 1999. The local Electronics Boutique in Columbus OH started selling Japanese imports of Saturn games when the US Saturn games market dried up in 1998; however, the imports didn't do great since local Saturn owners would have to mod their machines, or buy a 4-in-1/5-in-1. Which meant I was able to buy the collection for 8 bucks (the same price I paid for the Saturn Konami MSX Antiques Collection :)). I did enjoy the games, though I tended to gravitate towards 1943 Kai for some reason.
Nowadays if I want to scratch the shooter itch, I have Capcom Classics Collection for the PS2. It has all three.
Always loved those lovely drawn clouds scrolling down, was addictive and relaxing... then POW! A nice lightning strike!!
It's at least nice that the Atari ST version scrolls pretty smoothly for the hardware.
I remember 1943 the battle of midway I played ps4 version of capcom arcade stadium good job retro core
Thanks👍
Oh this game is my JAM! Played it every Sunday after church at the Bowling Alley when I was a kid. I loved the NES port too. This game is like comfort food for me. I can't believe Capcom just GAVE it away for free on the Switch. It was definitely one of those "It's not even my birthday!" moments for me.
I played it during mass, instead of going there.
I´ve been waiting for this one, the NES version is my favorite shmup ever. Thank you very much Mark, you´re the best!
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the show.
The Probe release looks like they made it for the c64 and ported it to the other platforms. Probe Software was just a mill.
If there ever was an ambitious gaming studio that never delivered, it had to be Probe.
Damn the soundtrack on the nes one is really good 😳
great video, 1943 is a great game, i have to try it some time, the graphics are ok for a first person shooter, you get to fly in a jet cool... :)
I like the NES and the 32-bit ports best for 1943. The BGM on the Amiga and ST ones is good, but it's a shame about the collision detection and speed issues.
These quick conversions ordered by western publishers that just wanted to sell as fast as possible a game in a box with cool visuals is a terrible thing. Even when developers made a good job technically, it remained gameplay flaws as there was no time for testing before sending the program for masterisation.
Personally Mark, Watching and reading the history of The Battle of Midway is much more fascinating than any video game. 8^)
Anthony..
It is an interesting read for sure.
It's interesting how arcade games always seem to play better on the Saturn.
The Sega Saturn was originally designed with sprites in mind before being having polygon rendering added.
@@mypkamax Ah, indeed. It makes sense now.
The Saturn was an absolute beast when it came to 2D stuff.
Capcom’s mid-late 90s fighting games (like Street Fighter Alpha/Zero or the early Marvel comic games) are supposed to be nearly arcade accurate on the Saturn compared to the PSX. I think some of them do require RAM expansion cartridges, but from what I’ve seen/heard about them, it’s totally worth it to get the best experience.
Judging from this video, the PS1 version seems to be bit choppier than the Saturn version.
it isn't. seems more like a problem with the video capture itself.
I've got some indescribable fondness for how long the stages are in Varth, but it has the audiovisual and gameplay elements to make up for it. Wish they'd given that one a port job.
The saturn one is the smoothest, only in the comparison you notice the scrolling is much better than the ps1
It sure is. It also has much more solid sprite to background movement.
Being an Amstrad owner I was pretty satisfied back then. One of my most played games.
It's probably just more apparent in the NES version because you can see a number ticking down- but the energy gradually goes down on the original arcade version also, sort of in an effort to simulate depleted fuel. That's why weapons can generally be cycled to a energy refill, to help with the ever-depleting fuel. Also many hidden items that will refill all fuel.
Yeah. It does decrease faster in the Famicom port though. I counted 3 seconds before it goes down by one in the arcade and 1 1/2-2 seconds in the Famicom port
It must be more gradual in the arcade game as I never really noticed as much.
Ah, that explains why I noticed it much quicker on the Famicom. Well. That and the fact it uses numbers.
@@RetroCore I didn't notice it for the longest time also. Don't really focus on the HUD elements much when playing shmups
I had the CPC version on cassette. It only had 2 levels, that repeated forever!
The C64 also had '43: One Year After, which is of course is an unofficial ripoff that somehow got away with copyright. Not very good at all but at the time I didn't mind these ports.
Great vid thanks Mark, I was playing this a couple of days ago on the Saturn and I find it to be really annoying with that health meter and the topping up of it being a huge distraction from the fun of shooting stuff, if it was 1 a hit kill system I might have liked it a bit more. I do remember enjoying a version at a seaside arcade which was fairly easy so I guess it had it's dip switches adjusted.
I know what you mean. Having to top UN energy is more annoying than power ups with a limited time of use.
Still waiting for a Mega Drive port. Truly a missed opportunity
Ah, but the Mega Drive had the much nicer tiger heli and Vapor Trail.
Love 1943 ( Kai ) on pcngine 👍
I knew this was versions of the og being showcased here btw, just Kai is my fave port of the series, no disrespect meant at all. ✌️
Saturn wins again. The Playstation port has a STRECHED tate MODE, so it fills YOUR TV screen without any adjustments. However that messes the horizontal controls up. Where as the Saturn version has 1:1 controls. Also OI ME SPECCY :D
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This is my favorite overhead shooter ever, before the genre just became nonsense bullet hell garbage. Also on the graphics, going into an arcade in the 80s this game looked pretty good, it wasn't anything special, but I don't think it looked dated. Also I didn't realize this came out in 87, I always thought it came out earlier. Anyways the NES version of this game was great in that you had to do the power ups, that gave you a reason to keep playing it over and over. I also had it on the C64, which as a kid I always thought kind of sucked. In any case it was a HUGE upgrade over 1942 - from graphics to gameplay it was just dramatically better and nothing was more disappointing than going to an arcade or seeing machines at the store or Pizza Hut and seeing the 19 part, and then seeing it was 42. BOOOOO! Still upset at that.
Hell yeah! I've been wanting to see this for a while. The arcade, PS1 and NES versions are my top tiers when it comes to trying it out.
I wonder if you'd cover the Kai release as a bonus
Kai is next week 👍
@@RetroCore awesome!
@@RetroCore Ahhh the Japanese version of Kai can be a bad bitch, especially on the last stage. In the US versions, continues are unlimited the entire way, while in the Japanese version, come the final stage, you can kiss any continues goodbye as the game disables them by then.
Yes, CPC users love the 1943 port, like the first one. My favorite is the NES one cause of the RPG elements.
I underestand that the PS2 collection that include this game is emulation right?? So it's different from the PS1.
Not emulaion, but the PS1 Cap Gen ports all stuffed into 1 disc, with a few extra games actually running off emulation, like Forogtten Worlds, Section Z, and others. You can tell everything is Cap Gen PS1 by the Street Fighter ports having load times (which were shortened, but not removed), and the dark backgrounds on Ghouls N Ghosts.
still much better sound when compared to the crappy sound from 1942.
btw the Atari ST speed looks wrong when compared to other videos (has not tested this game). so the speed seens to been emulator overclocked from a game that was not designed with that in mind, but should have been more closed to the speed from the Amiga version. So the speed can been a emulation issue? A least on the original Atari ST hardware. Some games might support Atari STe.
Probably running a 50hz game on a 60hz system. That causes issues like this due to the frame timing in the main game loop messing up. They could have coded it properly to detect what region machine it was running on but this is us gold/probe so not surprising they couldn't be bothered, or maybe it was never released outside Europe on the ST, who knows.
im havent tested this game on original hardware, but its looks the original was a 25 fps game, but can run 50fps on accelerated atari as im have understand and seen. That is actuelly pretty nice to see.
That also why Amiga versions fells much slower? Yes the Amstrad looks and fell great and they did the right comprimises for that version.
The music on the c64 version reminds me of that ear bleeding tune of 1942. But hey at least it's better than the c64 version of 1942.
Looks like i have to wait til next Friday for Battle of the ports: 1943 Kai.
That's the plan for Mark :p
I honestly thought I had owned the Amstrad CPC version when I was a kid, now looking at your video I realise I was wrong... Instead I had TIGER SHARK - Which was virtually a clone of this type of game!
For all its flaws, namely it had VERY POOR Colour and Bullets would get hidden in the background due to it being a more detailed Spectrum Port... Was a really good blast!
1943 pales in comparrison... but I have to give credit where its due... The CPC Port looks OK given how much Probe tried to push it! I would have been happy had I got this as a child!
The Atrai ST Port - HOLY HELL, I AM GLAD I NEVER OWNED THAT!!! WHAT THE FLYING ...
The Saturn version runs at 60FPS, but lacks many parts from the original's HUD. So, the 32-bit versions are a mixed bag of pros and cons.
It actually has everything. I was just using a different screen mode which moves the score off to the side. I had masked that off in post production though. The PlayStation has this screen mode too.
Ah, those early Atari/Amiga games where they managed to get even their lead machine (ST) port suck.
The sea background pattern is eye destroying on those two ports.
The Amstrad doesn't look too bad but why did these idiots put stuff on the side of the screen? That prevented them from using the CPC's hardware vertical scrolling capabilities which would have allowed the game to run faster.
Great way to give oneself more work and make the game worse at the same time... Can't expect too much of Probe after all.
Thanks for the video!
my first nes game,until recently I knew it's made by Capcom,which is one of my fav. dev
Where is the pc engine versión?. That one sounds and looks very nice
Different game. Coming next week.
That's 1943 Kai
The Amiga version is a guilty pleasure of mine !
We all have our little secrets 😊👍
I have to agree with your opinion of this game in general. It is a very polished game that plays well, but it is not exciting. I never felt like a powerful badass while playing it. Now fast-forward to the game 19XX, which in my opinion is one of the greatest vertical shmups ever made. You feel like a TOTAL badass while playing that game. I would donate a kidney if Capcom would make a modern sequel to that game specifically, with its lock-on feature preserved or even expanded. 19XX also sounds incredible, particularly the jungle stage 3.
Yeeeah, gonna have to disagree with you on the arcade music. It sounds much better than the average arcade game of 1987 (like R-Type, which, as much as I like it, has some piercing leads, Double Dragon, Contra, which sounds even more thin imo, etc). Even more so impressive too once you consider this game used the YM2203 chips over the much more powerful YM2151 chip that those games listed used.
The music of 1943 is absolutely catchy and fabulous. On the downside... playing the game for too long an the main theme will loop forever in your head.
@@overkill1473 On the bright side, there's 3 main themes :p
Had and played back in the day the Amstrad CPC port which I liked it but the problem was that is too damn short only two stages and when you beat them it repeats again!! sadly
Lol it's never a good sign when the status bars on the side or top has more color than the actual gameplay portion of the screen.
Saturn looks best
For sure.
A very decent CPC port compared to the other home micros. Just a shame it repeats very quickly.
I guess it's either that or crappy game.
Yeap, 1942 and 43 were great on the CPC.
1942 not
Probe really seems to do a terrible job for arcade ports in general.
Home computer ports is ported by GO! a subsidiary of US GOLD
Go! Is the publishing label. The developer was Probe. Well, apart from the C64 which was Tiertex.
imo the biggest improvement between 1942 and 1943 is the damn music lol i cant play 1942 without leaving with a migrane. gladly the ps2 port (or emulation i guess) has an arranged music option which makes it quite more playable :)
1942 sounds bloody awful.
I quite like the 1942 series, though 19XX is my favorite. I think the one word to describe 1943 is "improved". 1943 is a great improvement over 1942 in the arcade as well as the NES port. Luckily, Micronics gets kicked to the curb for the Famicom, and Capcom puts in a good showing themselves. I do definitely prefer 1943 改 on the PC-Engine, but 1943 is still a nice, fun shooter on the NES and blows away the 1942 port. Sadly, though those of us with Nintendo's console got a well-made port, it seems the 8-bit micro owners got shafted with the UK equivalent of Micronics: Probe. Now, I do like some of Probe's games (Forsaken, some-but-not-all of their Mortal Kombat ports, etc), but we all know that half of the time they produced some of the janky-est playing ports around.
The zx spectrum version looks like someone drew it on paper, lol. The Saturn version looks to be the superior version, ps had some screen tearing.
I'd agree. Like that old style blue carbon paper 😂
The Battle of the The Battle of Midway Ports.
Yep 😊
I noticed the PlayStation dropping enough frames, to even wreck the tidal wave effect of the arcade version. Then again, both it and the Saturn have slightly inferior quality audio overall...
Yeah, the audio seems compressed compared to the Arcade. Capcom being lazy I guess.
@@RetroCore Capcom and SNK were notorious for doing this on the Saturn. Thankfully these 19XX games had no speech in them.
Why does it feel like the color scheme for the ZX port was flip-flopped? Like it was meant to be blue with white highlights instead of being white with blue highlights? That split second of the bomb giving the game a seizure made it look much better. Here, it's eye strain.
The thing is most people who had a ZX Spectrum were playing it on a 14inch black & white screen. May maybe thats why they went with the odd colour choice?
Even if it was in black and white, it's still a weird aesthetic choice. It's probably not the case, but it almost feels like there was some programming error or glitch that reversed the colors.
I'd give this one to the Famicom port. Even though it doesn't look as nice as the arcade/PS/Saturn, the gameplay is just better balanced and the music sounds better imo. It's funny that some of the enemy ships in that version sound the same as when enemies dive bomb you in Galaga.
The Famicom version is very impressive for the console.. I was surprised at how well. It turned out.
Disagree totally about the soundtrack. The music for this game is amazing. Otherwise good video!
The ST version gotta be the Pal 50hz version, running in 60hz? Don't remember the game running that fast on my ST.
Was that intro tune the remix found on Capcom Classic Collection Volume 1 on PS2? I haven't fired it up for a long time, maybe it's time for another go. Especially since I have recently gotten my son into Sky Force Anniversary on PS4, which takes inspiration from the 19XX series, I'm also trying to show him older games, we completed Mega Twins together the other day- thank goodness for infinite continues!
Since I started watching your videos, I am surprised that Probe Software don't live up to the reputation they had back in the day. I remember Zzap 64 loved them! But, Tiertex handled the C64 version here. How did they ever get a contract? They were a terrible development team. I still have trauma over how they handled Strider!
Ah, it came from the arranged soundtrack for 1943
Where did you buy the Saturn RGB cable from - I have a similar issue.
Some guy on Yahoo Auctions.
@Diskun I've been buying retro games online for well over a decade now, and a friend of mine did it for longer, it was always Yahoo Japan Auctions in Japan, and you had to have a middle man to get the games for you overseas in Japan.
Are you playing a PAL release on an NTSC system in the Atari ST version?
Thought the same. I don't remember the music was so fast on ST.
He clearly played 60hz version. But I'm puzzling about the slowdowns due to 60hz display on ST, a system that usually perfectly support 60hz display in games. More puzzling, the Amiga version hasn't this problem in 60hz while it seems just to be straight port of the ST version.
11:16
Is that an audio glitch in the Saturn version?
No. Sounds fine to me.
What's everyone's favorite weapon in this game? Mine is the 3-Way, no competition.
3-Way for me too.
Shotgun, the important weapon in this game.
damn I feel so old, was 1943 game really use tiny sprite in Arcade ? or I just get spoiled with Modern Shooter with little bit bigger ship that this.
Yep, they were tinny.
Where's the PSP Capcom Arcade Classics Reloaded port? That one uses the code off of Generations II.
Emulation. Read the video description.
@@RetroCore Emulation of ports actually, sounds funny to say.
If I remember correctly this game was a neverending game right, was there a way to complete it or did it just go on and on?
The psone version has frame and graphical issues so the arcade and saturn versions look 99% the same 😊
Level 16 is the final round. However its brutal.
Once you've finished level 16, you've completed the game. There's no second loop. (Amen, because the 16 stages take nearly 45 minutes to finish).
At the start of the C64 version, the scrolling goes jerky when the plane loops the loop! Is that a problem with the emulator, or does it happen on a real C64?
Also of slight amusement is Go/US Gold's advertisement featuring a build of the Atari ST version that didn't exist.
That's how it is.
Saturn doesn't support a horizontal resolution smaller than 320 meaning that in tate mode the top and bottom of the screen will have huge borders - not cool.
The Arcade version has a resolution of 256 x 224. Capcom did not redraw the graphical assets for Generation 1. However the Playstation version uses a nasty VDP stretch, which messes the controls up. If you want a full screen Tate mode on Saturn: TV Service Mode -> + H Stretch.
Not to mention you can play the arcade version for free with Capcom Arcade Stadium which is also free 👍🏻
Can't argue with free Arcade emulation.
Playable arcade game. Why are the home computer versions all so bad though, its an easy game to convert.
Pay peanuts and you get monkeys 🙈
How times change. I used to enjoy playing this game as it was originally intended (without rapid fire). Now I cannot play an old skool shooter without adding rapid fire to it. And yes I consider that cheating, so I cheat when I play this game again.
Rapid fire is a must I feel. Pressing for each shot is fine for the first 2 or 3 stages but after that it becomes very annoying.
If this is the Battle of Midway, how come it is made by Capcom?
I let myself out...
It took me a second to get that. LOL.
You forgot the PS2 version under Capcom Classics Collection. I'm assuming that version is probably emulation.
But I will say the NES version is my favorite port. Saturn version is Arcade-perfect.
It's emulation.
Emulation of all 5 PS1 Capcom Generations titles, which in turn are actual ports.
Wasn't there a PC Engine or Supergrafx port of this game too? Or was it a Super CD title? I can't recall. Only know that it was on the PC Engine in some form. How come that wasn't included here? Is it a different version of the game or something?
I remember really loving my time with that title, and I always really enjoyed this series as a whole whenever I would play it. It may not be the most graphically impressive, but the gameplay is VERY polished & fun. One of my favorite shooter series' for sure.
The PC Engine version is coming next week. It was a different game.
@@RetroCore Ah nice, I look forward to that!
Can anyone tell me why Amiga games, the ones that use MOD sampler files for audio, have to hard pan the sound effects along with the audio? Was that the only way to make mod files, either all 4 channels were l/r or mono, but both was somehow impossible?
There are only 2 channels per speaker, so to get stereo sound fx they would have to sacrifice 1 channel from each side and thus only have 1 per side for music, which would sound dreadful. There were ways to get more perceived channels out of the sound chip by downmixing or rapidly cycling samples at the expense of audio quality and cpu load but im not aware of any games using this.
@@meetoo594 ahhh, so to produce a mono sound the Amiga had to waste two channels? Lame..
@@jojojoma3026 yup, it's a great pity they didn't add 4 more channels or just make it mono like the c64. Having said that, most people used their Amigas through a mono domestic TV with the modulator and the stereo to mono cable so probably didn't notice the hard panning.
Isn't there a Super Grafx version of this game as well? I think I played it on MiSTer and it is actually quite good.
That's 1943 Kai
@@MVC2fan1 so it's a slightly different game basically 🙂. Thanks for reminding me.
To put the lamentable Amiga version into perspective, it was an ST port, doesnt use Amiga hardware at all, and was released as a budget title, I.e. they were never putting any effort into it. You only have to look at quality like Hybris released at the same time to know the Amiga could have handled 1943 with ease.
We all know that but it doesn't take away that this is a crappy port. It's just a same most developers never made the effort.
@@RetroCore I dont think I could have slagged it off any more than I did lol, actually, I can. Whilst Probe got much better later on, this conversion was Probe in its infancy, but budget title and US Gold, never a recipe for success. US Gold releasing other developers original games? They did well, with Lucasarts, Delphine and others, but US Gold titles instigated by US Gold.......I just dont recall anything they did that was any good, some say Mercs was OK, but by then, the damage was done, you just wouldnt buy their shit. They were pretty big during 8bit/16bit days, but it's amazing how quickly they sold themselves to Eidos and disappeared instantly. No-one misses them, certainly no Amiga owner does.
Coin op is mostly good but not without drawbacks. ST isn't all too hot. Amiga isn't making things better. CPC is better despite weaker hardware. C64 isn't all too hot. ZX Spectrum deserves two middle fingers up. NES is a solid offering. PS1 is a great way to play. Saturn is a leap forward. Java was weak.
The Japanese mobile version looked really nice. Just a shame I can't show that these days.
That atari arcade ports are a joke but the original arcade is the best.
Is it the video capture or is the PS1 version just jerkier than the Saturn version in the scolling.
Seems the be that's how it is.
Amstrad woop woop
1943, the Japanese game celebrating a Japanese defeat in 1942. 1943 - the Japanese game that was butchered by all the hack western developers who had a crack at it, almost as if Capcom were intentionally licensing it to the worst of the worst as a form of petty revenge.
I'd say that with practically every arcade port on home computers during the 80s.
Mobile version is more like The Battle Of MIDI amirite.
Great comparison, shame about the 16 bit conversions, so lazy and sloppy on systems that could have got a lot closer to the arcade.
Also, would have been good to know which of the ports supported simultaneous 2 player, or did they all?
The Saturn and PlayStation did. Not sure about the others.
The clouds in the Saturn version are the wrong colour so the Playstation wins in my opinion.
The Amstrad version looks pretty good.
Spectrum version looks reasonable and is faster than the Amstrad one.
C64 version is typical Tiretex half arsed rubbish, I think the only decent thing they ever coded was paperboy on the master system.
I remember seeing screenshots of the ST/Amiga versions in magazine ads and thinking it looked amazing, glad I never brought it as they look awful to play.
The Saturn colours are too red due to a fault with the RGB cable.
@@RetroCore AHH, in that case the Saturn version wins, it's a tad smother by the looks of it.
@@meetoo594 You can't go wrong with either the PS1 or Saturn Cap Gen 1 compilations, though I bought the Saturn version when it was far cheaper than what it goes for now, paid $10 off Digital Press Forums for it, and Metal Slug for Saturn for also $10 from the same guy all those years back.
Wot no PC Engine?
That's 1943 Kai
Nice
You forget the PC Engine port called 1943 KAI Diffrent game & music
I did not. Kai is a different game and will be covered next week.
That's right. I've already started on the show. Need a quick one for next week because I have to work on Saturday.
Surely a hack exists of the NES port to make your energy not drain. Cus yeah, that is just plain stupid. More early NES bs for hackers to correct. Surely a few small edits with a Hex editor would be all that's required to keep it from happening.
I'm sure there is or at lease a simple action reply / game genie code.
Can you try maui mallard in cold shadow/ Donald in Maui mallard ports one day please
Maybe. Played it on the Mega Drive and thought it was awful thanks to the snapping camera.
@@RetroCore oh… you won’t like the snes version of it because it has the same issue but the character has a Delay so the camera can adjust the character is looking at
OMG, a Probe game; this means a pile of cr*p 99.9% of times :(
Oh come on man. Lol that is such a copout to tell us to decide which port is better. Just give us your opinion already! Lol which is better? And are they arcade perfect?
Lol, yeah it's the Saturn. Just didn't want to deal with all the PlayStation fanboys being butt hurt because their ultimate console isn't the best at everything like they seem to think.
@@RetroCore Lol I figured it was something like that. Hey man, no need to be afraid of the truth or your own personal opinion. Can always just say hey this is my opinion but feel free to make your own judgment.
Probe often did pretty good 8bit ports but very lazy St and amiga games
As I kid I shuddered everytime i read teirtex were handling the conversion. Always poor
Teirtex were awful on consoles too. Just a terrible developer.
seriously? that c64 sound is not original
USN pilot destroying waves of Japanese forces. An average setting... but for Capcom?!
Addendum: and the Amiga port is crap. What else is new for this poor untapped platform?
Wait till you hear the staff roll tune :P