The MCU Hank Pym has never really lived up to the comics version, where he lives on the razor’s edge of sanity and occasionally crosses over into these types of chaotic evil. This was a really, REALLY cool episode for lots of reasons, but especially for how it introduced Hank’s darkness to a whole bunch of non-comics readers.
The fact that he's wearing the Yellowjacket suit is a huge nod to THAT Pym. I would love to see him develop like that in the movies but this was a nice taste
Yeah. Comic book Hank Pym is not the sanest person in the room, and I love how this episode really embrace that core aspects of him. (Also, it's ironic since comic book Hank Pym is one of the founding members of the original Avengers, and here he's killing every single one of them)
Small reference to the fact that the Winter Solider killed Hope. As she was placed on the mission that Widow described about her bullet wound in Cap 2.
Agh...so much telling and not showing in this episode...a real weakness in What If...? so far. Why wouldn't they *SHOW* that? They don't show anything at all about why Hank Pym is mad in the first place, it makes the ending have no weight at all. There was no lead-up
@@Grendel2403 'Cause they got 30-40 min to do everything that an issue of _What If?_ did: Show the Change; Highlight the Point of Divergence; Play Out any Consequences Caused. You want more "show", less "tell"--you find them another *$250K* (a guesstimate, and probably lowball) an episode for Animator's Pay, Computer Time, VA's Pay, and General Expenses. You do that, and I'll watch your show. Otherwise...enjoy what you got and bitch elsewhere.
Hope was killed on a mission near Odesa, Ukraine. In our MCU, Black Widow was attacked by The Winter Solider outside Odesa, Ukraine on a mission. In this timeline, The Winter Soldier killed Hope Van Dyne.
@@LoveThomas07 my best guess would be that this takes place in a different universe... but besides that. who knows. also its very hard to get across sarcasm through text. but the difference that's focused on isn't necessarily the only difference.
@@Jbluez1 Exactly! This episode should have been called "What If Hope van Dyne became a SHIELD Agent", but that would have given away a major plot point.
They cheekily flat out tell you what the Nexus event was with the "It's all about Hope." line. Her decision to take after her mother early on incited a cascade of events leading to this outcome.
This episode is a flip of Fury's Big Week. I really loved it because I never expected the perpetrator, and it showed that character in an entirely new light for me.
I loved Tom Hiddleston's line reading in this episode. I didn't care for the weird five o'clock shadow though. But seeing "Nick" kicking Hank's butt with magic was really satisfying. I just hope we get to see live action Loki doing that soon. Great dialogue and overall plot in this script, too.
Thor basically lost all of his power, strength, magic, etc. So he's as vulnerable as a regular human (well strong human but still can die by arrow and bullet)
Did you guys notice the allusions to the movie Se7en? The set up of the days, the "what's in the box", the seemingly unrelated murders with a connection unknown to most.
Shows just how powerful, brutal & versatile the Ant-Man character can be! "Move or I'll make you move - call back to Ayo to BW in Civil War: "Move or you will be moved" Lake Bell joining Jeffrey Wright as the latest actor to get that DC & Marvel money!
@@scotthewitt258 No. If that was the case he would have kept him on ice until the events of the avengers. Which he didn’t. Steve had already been awake for a while in the avengers
@@sundeepparhar1126 Actually after doing a bit more research it turns out this episode places the events of Fury's big week in late may to late june of 2011 instead of 2010 like i said. It turns out that it is very much up in the air weather fury's big week was in 2010 or 2011. There is evidence for both and i won't bore you with the telling you the evidence for both but this episode decides to go with the 2011 date. As shown by may 30th being a monday and Hope's 2009 mission in Odessa being stated as 2 years ago. ((i still personally think the 2010 date makes more sense for the main timeline but thats me) Thus this means Fury found captain America probably just a few months early rather than a year like my original comment suggested.
Yeah, I agree it’s a really strong episode. While my number one is definitely last weeks, it was just so charming and unexpected, this and Captain Carter are tied for the next spot.
It kind of blew up the entire Antman killing Thanos ideas that were floating around. Plus HOW DARE you DISPARAGE Loki by saying he couldn’t take over the Earth in one day without the Avengers there?!
Also the images they show help to explain how he did it so easily, it’s not like it’s just Loki, he is commanding Asgard’s military. If earth was faced with a literal God descending from the sky possessing not only superior technology, but also magic, I think the world’s governments would submit quite quickly, and if not they would right after the first to refuse was reduced to a barren frozen waste.
This was a really well done episode. Makes me want more Marvel Whodunnit's, but I'm content with this for now. Was also nice to see Manassas, as i'm also originally from Northern Virginia. So nice to see us represented
Remember that Thor lost his powers during his first visit to Earth, so there was nothing stopping him from getting killed that day besides Fury's curiosity. I also imagine Loki's saying he was ruling Earth isn't confirming an agreement, but rather an egotistic declaration. This was a really enjoyable episode! Loved how different the "what if" question was, and that the cause of the branch was the mystery of the episode. Really different format, but it just works. I agree all the episodes so far really feel like they need a part 2 (e.g. we have no idea what happened to Gamora in the universe from episode 2), and my personal prediction is that they'll end up as part of a multi-versal plot near the end of the season, as a result of some Doctor Strange plot.
don’t forget Thor was deemed unworthy, lost the powers of Mjolnir, and cast to Earth by Odin before Odin speaks the incantation to the hammer and it flies off
I really dont get why you guys dont have like 20 million subscribers. You are so funny, heartwarming and real! Thank you for such a great channel guys!! ❤️
@@hmdch This alternate roster would likely be: - the Ancient One (leader) - Black Panther (T'Challa) - Captain America (Steve Rogers) - Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) - Skye "Quake" Johnson (Agents of SHIELD) - Lady Sif of Asgard
@@soshalconstruct5463 i do love that theory that he was worthy all along he just didnt want to embarrass thor/rule asgard 😂😂, but a popular theory and what i think is probably most likely is that he knew the winter soldier had killed tonys parents and he wasnt telling tony, so that lie weighing on his conscience was the reason he wasnt yet worthy
9:03-9:18 Even in an alternate reality, Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow is still a poser, and I absolutely love her for it.😍❤😍❤😍❤😍❤😍❤ I love how this episode is basically an alternate version of the "Fury's Big Week" limited series comic book that was released in 2012.
Loki rolled Nat 20s for diplomacy, but he also definitely had a bonus because of his high charisma wether it applies or not because it’s Tom Hiddleston.
Hulk-Goo splashing all the soldiers and General Ross! She-Hulk was created by a blood transfusion and the whole storyline of the first MCU Hulk movie was about getting some of that blood. A lot can be done with that.
"Hope! It's all about Hope!" Is it really a Whodunnit if one of the clues is an exclamation that detectives can misinterpret until a moment of clarity?
It was for me, I thought she said "Hulk, it's all about Hulk." 🤣 And she didn't know who was attacking her, just what she found out thru the computer. :)
@TheJoeGreene Were you under the impression that this particular clue was supposed to come earlier in the story? From my experience, this traditionally cheesy trope comes later in the story because it IS just a pun. Knives Out: "Hugh did this!"/ "You did this!" Sherlock Holmes, Harry Potter, BBC Sherlock. I mean... Hannibal Lector's name IS the pun. You don't actually want to write a mystery with the pun coming too early. That's like a romance couple kissing in Act One.
Even tho this wasn’t on the level of Star Lord T’Challa (IMO) it was still really cool and fun to watch. Trying to piece together who the murderer was was really fun. It wasn’t until Black Widow’s death that I finally figured out it was most likely Ant-Man but then it turned out to be Yellowjacket Hank Pym and I was like yo! I kinda figured it out but there’s still a twist! Bravo 👏🏻👏🏻
When the What If?… is Hank Pym goes off the deep end and full Bane against Nick Fury: “When the Avengers are… ashes, you’ll have my permission to die.”
Hope got her suit after Hank saw Scott’s progression. If Hope has already been given the WASP suit and perished, it’s safe to assume there was no Scott.
I don't think Hope had the suit yet when she became a SHIELD agent. Remember that Hope had a tenuous relationship with Hank because of what happened to Janet, before they met in the first Ant-Man film. Hope basically had no choice but to ask help from his father in order to stop Darren Cross, but that didn't mean she forgave him yet. It was only after Hank explained what happened to Janet that she was able to forgive him, and how he was able to show her the WASP suit at the end of the first film. By comparison, I'm assuming that in this timeline, it was Fury who told Hope what really happened to Janet and not Hank, and that would have cemented Hope's "hatred" to her father, and could be one of the reasons why she decided to join SHIELD. So, by that logic, Hope was just Agent Van Dyne when she met the Winter Soldier in Odessa, and a normal agent, no matter how skilled, wouldn't stand a chance against a brainwashed super assassin. If she did have the WASP suit, she could have survived.
@@jeffquinz2118 Good explanation, but that does mean the original Ant-Man suit may still be around to be stolen, confiscated, discovered, etc. So there might be an Ant-Man to oppose Loki.
Great vid, and as to how Loki took over: In the thor movie, Thor is found by friends and reveals the deception before getting back his power, but since he died before that, it was never exposed. So Loki was still in power because Odin was in the Odin sleep, and with Thor's death as justification and being the ruler of Asgard now, Loki had the full power of Asgard at his back, and without the avengers, earth stood little chance. That's just my interpretation, I could be wrong, but that's my reasoning.
A lot of "What If...?" stories have a darker, unresolved ending so it's possible that this is just the end of this story but I'd definitely like to see a different group of Avengers take on Loki.
So far we have the two Caps (America and Marvel) so.. that is pretty good start.. maybe in this universe T'challa comes out into the world early because he is aware that alien space vikings would probably find Wakanda sooner than later?
@@BaconNuke Possibly! They’d also definitely have Rhodey, since he’d already taken the Mark-2 suit before Tony and Fury had their chat at the donut restaurant, and I could also see Sif leaving Loki and taking over Thor’s role as the Asgardian on the team.
@@BaconNuke Yeah, I think it could potentially be either Steve or Jane who ends up earning Mjolnir and obtaining those powers in that timeline, since we know Steve (at the very least) becomes worthy eventually, and Jane is apparently gonna do something along those lines in Love & Thunder. 🤔
What if the entire Marvel universe was thirsty for Thor? I don’t think that’s a what if. Spittin facts! That whole Thor bit was hilarious. I heard hulk not Hope so it took me way too long to figure out that Hank was the killer.
I suppose you could argue that Hulk's death was a battle between his practically indestructable tissue and the inexorable increase in blood pressure cause by his enlarging heart, eventually causing his internal structure to completely vaporize. But in that case I think the explosion would have been more like a Fuel/Air bomb and everyone on campus would have been killed by the overpressure.
My prediction for the Avengers in this timeline: Captain Marvel Captain America War Machine Abomination Sif Yelena Black Panther (Maybe Spider-Man and Maybe the Defenders)
I would say no to Black Panther. King T'Chaka would be The Black Panther at this time and he's an isolationist. With Emperor Loki in power, I would think T'Chaka would double down on keeping Wakanda hidden. I question Spider-Man. First off, given the time frame, he probably doesn't have his powers yet. Or if he does, he just got them. But moreover, I question whether Peter would even become Spider-Man in this timeline. Remember, Norman Osborne, in the MCU, creates the Irradiated Spider during his attempts to find a cure for his disease and the disease that would later ravage his son, Harry. Assuming Norman Osborne is a villain in the MCU like everywhere else (we don't know because we only see him on his deathbed), it's not a stretch to see Norman Osborne prostrating himself to Loki, begging him to cure this disease on himself and Harry. I could actually see Loki agreeing for blind obedience which, let's be honest, Norman would be happy to give. So if this were to happen, there would be no Irradiated Spider because both Norman and Harry would be cured due to Asgardian Magic/Tech/Medicine. So yeah, depending on the direction they went with this, there would, potentially, be no Spider-Man. I also have to wonder how effective War Machine would be without the improvements Tony would make as time went on. Also, I'm not entirely convinced Rhodey would wear the armor without Tony. Lady Sif, I think, would be on the fence. One one hand, she doesn't really like Loki. On the other hand, Thor was killed by a Human. Somehow, I don't think Lady Sif would really care about the Humans on Earth given those circumstances.
@@Ghost-Mom Fury would be more likely to contract the aide of The Ancient One over Doctor Strange. If he even exists at all, he would be considerably weaker and, certainly NOT The Sorcerer Supreme. One would assume that with Emperor Loki having taken over Earth, the Sorcerers would have more pressing matters to deal with than the fact that The Ancient One has been leeching power from Dormammu. I believe The Ancient One would still be alive and, thus, Strange, if he exists, wouldn't have had to raise his power quickly, nor would The Ancient One allow it. However, as I have alluded to, I'm not so sure Dr. Strange, the Sorcerer, would exist in this timeline because his accident and training took place after The Invasion of New York. An invasion that never happened in this timeline. So we can't say for certain that Strange's accident would have even happened.
Abomination wouldn't exist in this universe because in The Incredible Hulk Tim Roth's character only became Abomination after his showdown with Hulk at the college. And since Hulk died at the college Tim Roth would have no reason to inject himself with Banner's Blood because there's no Hulk to fight anymore.
What if Betty Ross is so mad and motivated that she takes the serum that abomination was going to take? What if General Ross doesn't have an enemy anymore, so he takes the serum & becomes Red Hulk?
Imagine being a soldier there when the Hulk exploded & accidentally getting some ooey gooey Hulk guts in your mouth by accident & waking up with gamma powers.
You know, Loki kind of *had* to stay and take over Midgard, because otherwise he would have had to explain why, according to the hammer, he was objectively not worthy. So if he didn't want that information known (and he's a narcissist, of course he wouldn't want that known), he *had* to go ahead and take over Earth.
Hey guys, in the first Thor he was stripped of his godhood so he was human. That arrow totally would have killed him
Oh that’s right.......thanks for the reminder. It was so long ago we totally forgot about that.
@@pReviewd No problem! Stumped me for a moment too!
ya, if YellowJacket waited like 2 more seconds for Thor to pick up Mjolnir, then he would have been fine
@@cedric13 He wasn’t worthy to pick it up at that point in the film.
@@cedric13 Thor couldn't lift the hammer either until he learned the lesson Odin was trying to teach him.
The MCU Hank Pym has never really lived up to the comics version, where he lives on the razor’s edge of sanity and occasionally crosses over into these types of chaotic evil. This was a really, REALLY cool episode for lots of reasons, but especially for how it introduced Hank’s darkness to a whole bunch of non-comics readers.
The fact that he's wearing the Yellowjacket suit is a huge nod to THAT Pym. I would love to see him develop like that in the movies but this was a nice taste
I mean ultra is based off of him
Hank is very unstable even as a zombie.
Yeah. Comic book Hank Pym is not the sanest person in the room, and I love how this episode really embrace that core aspects of him.
(Also, it's ironic since comic book Hank Pym is one of the founding members of the original Avengers, and here he's killing every single one of them)
yeah! Bring on Pym beating his wife!
Choosing to wear the Guac’s extra shirt for the episode that Hulk explodes is one of the most perfect coincidences I’ve seen lately
Small reference to the fact that the Winter Solider killed Hope. As she was placed on the mission that Widow described about her bullet wound in Cap 2.
I was wondering what was the exact change that changed this timeline. Mind blown :O
Agh...so much telling and not showing in this episode...a real weakness in What If...? so far. Why wouldn't they *SHOW* that? They don't show anything at all about why Hank Pym is mad in the first place, it makes the ending have no weight at all. There was no lead-up
@@Grendel2403 They didn't show anything about of why Pym is mad? They literally show Hope's grave!
Oh my god that totally didnt occur to me!!
@@Grendel2403 'Cause they got 30-40 min to do everything that an issue of _What If?_ did: Show the Change; Highlight the Point of Divergence; Play Out any Consequences Caused. You want more "show", less "tell"--you find them another *$250K* (a guesstimate, and probably lowball) an episode for Animator's Pay, Computer Time, VA's Pay, and General Expenses. You do that, and I'll watch your show. Otherwise...enjoy what you got and bitch elsewhere.
Hope was killed on a mission near Odesa, Ukraine. In our MCU, Black Widow was attacked by The Winter Solider outside Odesa, Ukraine on a mission. In this timeline, The Winter Soldier killed Hope Van Dyne.
Why was Hope on that mission though? What event caused her to be there in this show versus not being there in the movies?
@@LoveThomas07 my best guess would be that this takes place in a different universe... but besides that. who knows.
also its very hard to get across sarcasm through text. but the difference that's focused on isn't necessarily the only difference.
LoveThomas It’s not why she was on that mission. It’s she decided to become a Shield agent. That’s probably the key nexus change.
@@Jbluez1 Yeah why did she become a shield agent?
@@Jbluez1 Exactly! This episode should have been called "What If Hope van Dyne became a SHIELD Agent", but that would have given away a major plot point.
Fun Fact: the 0704 in Coulson’s password is Steve’s birthday, July 4th (yes really).
fan fact most of use know .. Well the crazy fans anyway lol
God, he was such a Cap stan/man crush with that password. If it wasn't so adorable/funny, it would be kinda cringe, LOL.
@@dphalanx7465 it's just cute i think hehe he's very like "...yEAH SO WHAT ABOUT IT" HAHAHA
They cheekily flat out tell you what the Nexus event was with the "It's all about Hope." line. Her decision to take after her mother early on incited a cascade of events leading to this outcome.
“I don’t remember voting for this.”
VOTE LOKI
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*Hulk:* explodes
*Hank Pym:* “Guaaaaaacamole’s extra, you daughter killing bastards you…”
Sane Hank: Would you like a juice box and some string cheese?
Glad I'm not the only one who had this thought.
I kept saying that the Hulk had turned into guacamole too, but I hadn’t even thought about it like this
@@springtrap1796 do you really have those things?
@@ichiban308 I need to go to the store XD
This episode is a flip of Fury's Big Week. I really loved it because I never expected the perpetrator, and it showed that character in an entirely new light for me.
If you read the comics, it is that exact personality Hank Pym really is
@@vokasimid5330
Yeah, I mean in the comics he was a wife beating alcoholic, they just really sanitized him for the movies
"He smells like cinnamon." I died xD
Cinnamon and leather, to be exact.
I loved Tom Hiddleston's line reading in this episode. I didn't care for the weird five o'clock shadow though. But seeing "Nick" kicking Hank's butt with magic was really satisfying. I just hope we get to see live action Loki doing that soon. Great dialogue and overall plot in this script, too.
Thor basically lost all of his power, strength, magic, etc. So he's as vulnerable as a regular human (well strong human but still can die by arrow and bullet)
Did you guys notice the allusions to the movie Se7en? The set up of the days, the "what's in the box", the seemingly unrelated murders with a connection unknown to most.
That blush when Tom Hiddleston started speaking... true, true same same
Shows just how powerful, brutal & versatile the Ant-Man character can be!
"Move or I'll make you move - call back to Ayo to BW in Civil War: "Move or you will be moved"
Lake Bell joining Jeffrey Wright as the latest actor to get that DC & Marvel money!
Yeah, I never noticed until watching this how much she sounds like ScarJo
Very cool to officially retcon Ruffalo on screen with Liv Tyler (or at least the simulacrum thereof) as Hulk and Betty Ross.
Fun Fact: Mark Ruffalo was actually the director Louis Leterrier’s first choice for the role of Bruce Banner in this The Incredible Hulk.
Y'all have quickly become my 2 fave reactors. 😃🤗 Love that this is the exact world Miss Minutes tried to give Loki.
Love your reactions to Marvel’s Murder, He Wrote, gents.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The events of this episode (fury’s big week) take place in late May early June of 2010. In the main timeline Steve isn’t found until late 2011.
Or, Fury is even colder than the Capsicle. Kept him "on ice" until he needed him......
@@scotthewitt258
No. If that was the case he would have kept him on ice until the events of the avengers. Which he didn’t. Steve had already been awake for a while in the avengers
I guess Fury was able to find frozen Cap much earlier.
Guess that the events of this episode led Fury to give the search for Steve far higher priority, finding him markedly earlier as a result.
@@sundeepparhar1126
Actually after doing a bit more research it turns out this episode places the events of Fury's big week in late may to late june of 2011 instead of 2010 like i said. It turns out that it is very much up in the air weather fury's big week was in 2010 or 2011. There is evidence for both and i won't bore you with the telling you the evidence for both but this episode decides to go with the 2011 date. As shown by may 30th being a monday and Hope's 2009 mission in Odessa being stated as 2 years ago. ((i still personally think the 2010 date makes more sense for the main timeline but thats me)
Thus this means Fury found captain America probably just a few months early rather than a year like my original comment suggested.
With the Hulk dying, there is no need for Blonsky to up his dose of super-soldier serum.
Watcher in the sky…
SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT!!!
Rather than The Avengers in this timeline, it’s The Captains. 😎
Also Monica Rambeau
surprised by how many people are mixed on this, this is my favorite episode of the series so far and makes me ecstatic for marvel zombies
Yeah, I agree it’s a really strong episode. While my number one is definitely last weeks, it was just so charming and unexpected, this and Captain Carter are tied for the next spot.
Same. It's insane, in the best way!!!
Next episode: What If...Craig The Destroyer Was Craig _The Avenger?_
It kind of blew up the entire Antman killing Thanos ideas that were floating around.
Plus HOW DARE you DISPARAGE Loki by saying he couldn’t take over the Earth in one day without the Avengers there?!
Also the images they show help to explain how he did it so easily, it’s not like it’s just Loki, he is commanding Asgard’s military. If earth was faced with a literal God descending from the sky possessing not only superior technology, but also magic, I think the world’s governments would submit quite quickly, and if not they would right after the first to refuse was reduced to a barren frozen waste.
This was a really well done episode. Makes me want more Marvel Whodunnit's, but I'm content with this for now.
Was also nice to see Manassas, as i'm also originally from Northern Virginia. So nice to see us represented
Why does Coulson have the same login password as me?!
I mean....
(immediately changes password)
Remember that Thor lost his powers during his first visit to Earth, so there was nothing stopping him from getting killed that day besides Fury's curiosity. I also imagine Loki's saying he was ruling Earth isn't confirming an agreement, but rather an egotistic declaration. This was a really enjoyable episode! Loved how different the "what if" question was, and that the cause of the branch was the mystery of the episode. Really different format, but it just works.
I agree all the episodes so far really feel like they need a part 2 (e.g. we have no idea what happened to Gamora in the universe from episode 2), and my personal prediction is that they'll end up as part of a multi-versal plot near the end of the season, as a result of some Doctor Strange plot.
I was not expecting the Hulk to just explode! crazy "who would have thought" moment.
The looks of horror on Jay and Adam's faces...😳😂.
Makes sense though. You really have to think outside the box for killing hulk and, gotta hand it to Hank, he certainly thought outside the box
don’t forget Thor was deemed unworthy, lost the powers of Mjolnir, and cast to Earth by Odin before Odin speaks the incantation to the hammer and it flies off
Yes, I was going to say that
Yeah he got knocked unconscious by a van
Till the day I die, that's going to be Craig the Destroyer.
I really dont get why you guys dont have like 20 million subscribers. You are so funny, heartwarming and real! Thank you for such a great channel guys!! ❤️
The Watcher just chilling "watching" 😆
Ghost was also a shield agent at this time, she could’ve been recruited into the avengers as the backup
Other potential recruits could be Black Panther, Spider-Man, the Ancient One, Wong, and Dr. Strange.
@@hmdch This alternate roster would likely be:
- the Ancient One (leader)
- Black Panther (T'Challa)
- Captain America (Steve Rogers)
- Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)
- Skye "Quake" Johnson (Agents of SHIELD)
- Lady Sif of Asgard
Your intro always makes me feel like the friend that walks in the room in the middle of laughter like, "what's so funny? I wanna laugh too!". 😂
And with Steve Rogers coming out of the ice Mjolnir is still on Midgard.
My mind hadn’t gotten there yet, That could be amazing if they go in that direction.
That is excellent point. I wonder if they could show someone else worth of the Hammer. Colson could be a candidate.
Omg true, but he also wasnt worthy as of Age of Ultron so i dont know if he could pick it up at this point in time
@@alexiskahlert6788 I've wondered if he was worthy in Age of Ultron but didn't want to make an issue about it with Thor
@@soshalconstruct5463 i do love that theory that he was worthy all along he just didnt want to embarrass thor/rule asgard 😂😂, but a popular theory and what i think is probably most likely is that he knew the winter soldier had killed tonys parents and he wasnt telling tony, so that lie weighing on his conscience was the reason he wasnt yet worthy
I think we found where the President Loki variant came from!
Loki God of mischief...with the slight scent of cinnamon!!
Remember that without Mjolnir, Thor was just a human on Midgard (which is why Darcy could taser him ... twice).
9:00 the casket of ancient winters
Not "Nebula in a wig"' rather Nebula with hair, having never been cyborged (other than the eye which she got from the Collector).
I thought the collector gave her hair implants but the eye makes since too
@@joshuaholland5279, if her father isn't attempting to turn her into a cyborg, then she gets to keep her own hair.
@@LeeCarlson I thought when she was talking about her debt with the collector she was gesturing towards her hair
ROFLMAO!!! "My name is Craig...Craig the Destroyer" omg
9:03-9:18 Even in an alternate reality, Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow is still a poser, and I absolutely love her for it.😍❤😍❤😍❤😍❤😍❤
I love how this episode is basically an alternate version of the "Fury's Big Week" limited series comic book that was released in 2012.
Loki rolled Nat 20s for diplomacy, but he also definitely had a bonus because of his high charisma wether it applies or not because it’s Tom Hiddleston.
That hulk scene was just so graphic, man. I had a dream last night that Hulk exploded in the same way, and there was definitely goo everywhere.
Hulk-Goo splashing all the soldiers and General Ross! She-Hulk was created by a blood transfusion and the whole storyline of the first MCU Hulk movie was about getting some of that blood. A lot can be done with that.
"Hope! It's all about Hope!"
Is it really a Whodunnit if one of the clues is an exclamation that detectives can misinterpret until a moment of clarity?
It was for me, I thought she said "Hulk, it's all about Hulk." 🤣 And she didn't know who was attacking her, just what she found out thru the computer. :)
@@queencerseilannister3519 Right before then she wondered why a woman who had been dead for two years was in the file. I.e. Hope.
@@TorIverWilhelmsen Yeah, that makes sense. She couldn't see who was attacking her, so she had to say Hope.
@TheJoeGreene Were you under the impression that this particular clue was supposed to come earlier in the story? From my experience, this traditionally cheesy trope comes later in the story because it IS just a pun.
Knives Out: "Hugh did this!"/ "You did this!"
Sherlock Holmes, Harry Potter, BBC Sherlock. I mean... Hannibal Lector's name IS the pun. You don't actually want to write a mystery with the pun coming too early. That's like a romance couple kissing in Act One.
"Why didn't she get a show?"
She did. It's called Blindspot. It's why she wasn't in Ragnorok.
OMG! That was her?!? Why did I never connect that??
I came to say this lol
@@dphalanx7465 yeah that's her
It was wild to see bits of several early MCU films combined together!
I lost it at "CRAIG THE DESTROYER. IT'S A LIVING."
Even tho this wasn’t on the level of Star Lord T’Challa (IMO) it was still really cool and fun to watch. Trying to piece together who the murderer was was really fun. It wasn’t until Black Widow’s death that I finally figured out it was most likely Ant-Man but then it turned out to be Yellowjacket Hank Pym and I was like yo! I kinda figured it out but there’s still a twist! Bravo 👏🏻👏🏻
All I kept thinking while Jay was saying "not enough Hulk guts" wearing that shirt was: this one needs extra guacamole!
I know it’s over but I keep expecting them to say “react, review, riff, and at the end rate the latest episode of….DA BAAAAAAD BAAAATCH”
Craig the Destroyer. Laughed out loud A LOT at that bit. Awesome reaction as always gentlemen!
HULK SPLASH!!! Seriously though, this was a really violent Scooby-Doo episode where the bad guy turns out to be an angry old white guy in a mask.
I knew Hank was on the edge of going looney.
"Why didn't she get a show?"
She did, it was called Blindspot! 🤣🤣🤣
Thor had his powers taken away at this point from his first movie, so a normal arrow probably could take him down.
My peaches hoodie is finally here in Germany. Really nice and fits perfect. Can't wait for the Guac shirt. You are the best
International Peaches! I love it!
Glad to hear about the hoodie, can’t wait for fall to finally show up so we can rock some hoodies!!!
When the What If?… is Hank Pym goes off the deep end and full Bane against Nick Fury:
“When the Avengers are… ashes, you’ll have my permission to die.”
Hope got her suit after Hank saw Scott’s progression. If Hope has already been given the WASP suit and perished, it’s safe to assume there was no Scott.
I don't think Hope had the suit yet when she became a SHIELD agent.
Remember that Hope had a tenuous relationship with Hank because of what happened to Janet, before they met in the first Ant-Man film. Hope basically had no choice but to ask help from his father in order to stop Darren Cross, but that didn't mean she forgave him yet. It was only after Hank explained what happened to Janet that she was able to forgive him, and how he was able to show her the WASP suit at the end of the first film.
By comparison, I'm assuming that in this timeline, it was Fury who told Hope what really happened to Janet and not Hank, and that would have cemented Hope's "hatred" to her father, and could be one of the reasons why she decided to join SHIELD.
So, by that logic, Hope was just Agent Van Dyne when she met the Winter Soldier in Odessa, and a normal agent, no matter how skilled, wouldn't stand a chance against a brainwashed super assassin. If she did have the WASP suit, she could have survived.
@@jeffquinz2118 Good explanation, but that does mean the original Ant-Man suit may still be around to be stolen, confiscated, discovered, etc. So there might be an Ant-Man to oppose Loki.
“…on Disney Plus!?”
Did you guys forget that The Simpsons and Family Guy are in Disney Plus, right?
Come on. You KNOW all those caskets are about to be shipped to Tahiti. It's a magical place.
Great vid, and as to how Loki took over: In the thor movie, Thor is found by friends and reveals the deception before getting back his power, but since he died before that, it was never exposed. So Loki was still in power because Odin was in the Odin sleep, and with Thor's death as justification and being the ruler of Asgard now, Loki had the full power of Asgard at his back, and without the avengers, earth stood little chance. That's just my interpretation, I could be wrong, but that's my reasoning.
"If he rolls nat 20s plus diplomacy"😂😂😂😂
A lot of "What If...?" stories have a darker, unresolved ending so it's possible that this is just the end of this story but I'd definitely like to see a different group of Avengers take on Loki.
So far we have the two Caps (America and Marvel) so.. that is pretty good start.. maybe in this universe T'challa comes out into the world early because he is aware that alien space vikings would probably find Wakanda sooner than later?
@@BaconNuke Possibly! They’d also definitely have Rhodey, since he’d already taken the Mark-2 suit before Tony and Fury had their chat at the donut restaurant, and I could also see Sif leaving Loki and taking over Thor’s role as the Asgardian on the team.
@@shadowblade2178 Mjolnir is also still around possibly so we may get.. someone worthy.. dunno if Cap fresh out of the ice is worth imo
@@BaconNuke Yeah, I think it could potentially be either Steve or Jane who ends up earning Mjolnir and obtaining those powers in that timeline, since we know Steve (at the very least) becomes worthy eventually, and Jane is apparently gonna do something along those lines in Love & Thunder. 🤔
What if The Wasp was an OG Avenger like in the comics?
“There gunna have your badge for this crossbones” y’all had me in tears 😭 this the episode that made me subscribe 🤣
"It's a living" LOL
What if the entire Marvel universe was thirsty for Thor? I don’t think that’s a what if. Spittin facts! That whole Thor bit was hilarious. I heard hulk not Hope so it took me way too long to figure out that Hank was the killer.
Yeah, I heard Hulk too, so the Pym reveal felt disjunct. I was thinking why did Hank go off the deep end.
Lang exists but isn't hired to steal the suit so he just tries to be a good dad.
Remember that Thor was killed because at the time that scene was taking place, Odin had stripped him of the powers of Thor.
I think its interesting this is the one where the Watcher was actually evidently there and watching.
_"Do not mind me, I will be over here taking notes. K?"_
I suppose you could argue that Hulk's death was a battle between his practically indestructable tissue and the inexorable increase in blood pressure cause by his enlarging heart, eventually causing his internal structure to completely vaporize. But in that case I think the explosion would have been more like a Fuel/Air bomb and everyone on campus would have been killed by the overpressure.
Plus the fact there could be gamma radiation fallout
So Dark! Are you sure you're not watching a DC show?
loved how thy bacicly rectconned the incredbile hulk with mark ruffilo
My prediction for the Avengers in this timeline:
Captain Marvel
Captain America
War Machine
Abomination
Sif
Yelena
Black Panther
(Maybe Spider-Man and Maybe the Defenders)
What becomes of Killian and Extremis with no Tony Stark to enact vengeance on? Also Doctor Strange should still be there
I would say no to Black Panther. King T'Chaka would be The Black Panther at this time and he's an isolationist. With Emperor Loki in power, I would think T'Chaka would double down on keeping Wakanda hidden.
I question Spider-Man. First off, given the time frame, he probably doesn't have his powers yet. Or if he does, he just got them. But moreover, I question whether Peter would even become Spider-Man in this timeline. Remember, Norman Osborne, in the MCU, creates the Irradiated Spider during his attempts to find a cure for his disease and the disease that would later ravage his son, Harry. Assuming Norman Osborne is a villain in the MCU like everywhere else (we don't know because we only see him on his deathbed), it's not a stretch to see Norman Osborne prostrating himself to Loki, begging him to cure this disease on himself and Harry. I could actually see Loki agreeing for blind obedience which, let's be honest, Norman would be happy to give. So if this were to happen, there would be no Irradiated Spider because both Norman and Harry would be cured due to Asgardian Magic/Tech/Medicine. So yeah, depending on the direction they went with this, there would, potentially, be no Spider-Man.
I also have to wonder how effective War Machine would be without the improvements Tony would make as time went on. Also, I'm not entirely convinced Rhodey would wear the armor without Tony.
Lady Sif, I think, would be on the fence. One one hand, she doesn't really like Loki. On the other hand, Thor was killed by a Human. Somehow, I don't think Lady Sif would really care about the Humans on Earth given those circumstances.
@@Ghost-Mom Fury would be more likely to contract the aide of The Ancient One over Doctor Strange. If he even exists at all, he would be considerably weaker and, certainly NOT The Sorcerer Supreme. One would assume that with Emperor Loki having taken over Earth, the Sorcerers would have more pressing matters to deal with than the fact that The Ancient One has been leeching power from Dormammu. I believe The Ancient One would still be alive and, thus, Strange, if he exists, wouldn't have had to raise his power quickly, nor would The Ancient One allow it. However, as I have alluded to, I'm not so sure Dr. Strange, the Sorcerer, would exist in this timeline because his accident and training took place after The Invasion of New York. An invasion that never happened in this timeline. So we can't say for certain that Strange's accident would have even happened.
“It looks like a giant Care Bear Stare, Sir!” 😂💀😂
"You got a name soldier?"
"GORT!"
7:15 Fun Fact: Mark Ruffalo was actually the director Louis Leterrier’s first choice for the role of Bruce Banner in this The Incredible Hulk.
I love you guys and your videos! I've been rewatching a bunch of them today. Sending love from Canada.
Abomination wouldn't exist in this universe because in The Incredible Hulk Tim Roth's character only became Abomination after his showdown with Hulk at the college. And since Hulk died at the college Tim Roth would have no reason to inject himself with Banner's Blood because there's no Hulk to fight anymore.
God, if we're lucky, Gen. Ross was killed in the explosion.
What if Betty Ross is so mad and motivated that she takes the serum that abomination was going to take? What if General Ross doesn't have an enemy anymore, so he takes the serum & becomes Red Hulk?
That's an interesting Consequence/Spinoff! She could become The Harpy! (Which she transformed into when exposed to gamma rads in the comics.)
This show makes me happy after a crappy day at work. Thanks ☺️
It was so eerie seeing the Watcher looming in the background! Did they do that in the first 2 episodes? Gonna go check...brb.
Yes I remember in 2nd Ep ..just before " A ravager never flies solo "scene
The Watcher on the horizon, low key observing his ant-farm :))
_What If?_ we "ordinary folks" could see him hanging out ALL THE TIME?!? *AAAAaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!*
im sorry but lake bell voicing both poison ivy and black widow is just amazing
It’s Lake Bell?!? Love Lake Bell!!!!!
@@pReviewd It's a pity we couldn't get Scarlet, but she was probably already planning her suit vs Marvel/Disney when this was in production.
6:04 Remember that Thor in the first movie is exiled on Midgard and a MORTAL. He's killed while being entirely human at that moment.
Fury: What's in the box?
Me: Pepper Potts' head!
It would fit. As they are played by the same person. Lol
I honestly didn’t think that would be who the killer was. I was very surprised. Man, this show is awesome….
Disney: Six-Armed Peter Parker is too dark for "What If..."?
Also Disney: "Here's an exploding Avenger."
Imagine being a soldier there when the Hulk exploded & accidentally getting some ooey gooey Hulk guts in your mouth by accident & waking up with gamma powers.
Shrek with food poisoning! 😂🤣😭 I’m dead!😂😂😂
If Hulk got aerosolized (if not splattered), are the solders who were around to breath it in going to be Hulklings?
Craig D. Stroyer, at your service.
It always pleasantly surprises me who they actually manage to get back to voice themselves.
This week: Actual Micheal Douglas.
Hulk Smash? No, more like HULK SPLASH!! 😏
Too soon 😭
SPLOOSH!!!
You know, Loki kind of *had* to stay and take over Midgard, because otherwise he would have had to explain why, according to the hammer, he was objectively not worthy. So if he didn't want that information known (and he's a narcissist, of course he wouldn't want that known), he *had* to go ahead and take over Earth.
And refering to 'suit of armor around the world' speech by Tony in endgame
By far my favorite episode out of the ones we’ve seen! So fun!
Loki made World Peace