@bencooper9637 what's that got to do with renewable energy fuckimg the taxpayer and the average customer. Not to mention the ugly windfarms and fields of solar panels ruining the landscape of a beautiful country.
"Renewables are driving prices down" says David. Seriously? What planet is David getting his electricity from? Definitely not from Australia. Electricity prices are doubling under Albo's watch.
Solar only works in when there is sun. Very little power generated when it's cloudy! They also are out in the open and when there is a thunderstorm and hail is involved they break easily!!
Ok, but it's a market so albo has no direct control of power price, also prices will go up over time for increased maintenance on coal plants and the cost of coal as commodity. Thats how markets work. For an accountant, Barnaby doesn't understand return on investment.
@DRKDNCR as opposed to the substations that are out in the open to the elements. The one by me had a brick wall built so if one transformer exploded it would hit the second.
This man is delusional about renewables , he actually believes his own bullshit…😂😂😂😂😂😂 He has no FKn idea. Good on you Barnaby for telling it as it is. The greens are not all there, they need help…😂😂😂
they seriously cant hear themselves " nuclear will cost us 30 billion " when the estimate for renewables is 1.5 trillion ! wait, let me do the math .. renewables need renewing every 15 years and nuclear will go for 80 years ... the greenie is setting us up for a disaster from a hail storm/ cyclone / micro-burst even, trashing the system and millions in repairs where in a disaster a coal or gas power station would keep plugging along making power needed for the clean up
What happened to the Victorian Gov's commitment of bringing back the SEC? Was never going to happen and people still believed it and voted that has been back in (he might be out but his puppet still took the reins!)
David Shoebridge has conveniently not addressed the matter of renewables being unable to provide base power. Base power being what is needed to provide large amounts of power needed by industry. Engineering works, smelters etc.
So all this time we have had coal and never had a problem. All of a sudden coal is evil and it's bad. And nuclear is out of the question as they are fearful for a 1986 nuclear meltdown. Look at all the other countries in the world that have nuclear and those that are in earthquake zones. What are they worried about?
Bowen is a Minister without any level of intellectual ability. It is scary on whom is making decisions in this area and in a decades time the Labor and Greens would have moved on with catastrophic consequences. UNBELIEVABLE society needs to stand up the government are missing in action within so many areas.
What 'climate change'? Are you able to give me a scientifically-based answer, or just your opinion. The World Meteorological Organization has never acknowledged any change since 1880, so to what "change" are you referring? TELL ME!
24/7 power with batteries Barnaby. We get sun over winter here too, unlike Ukraine and Russia who have centralised power sources that keep getting blown up. It would take a heck of a lot of explosives to destroy renewables that are spread across the country....unless you want to make it easy for an aggressor.
They haven't discussed the major issue with Tesla battery farm in Geelong, VIC that was about to be switched on then exploded and caused a thermal runaway. Talk about progress. What about in SA a few years back, the entire state lost electricity due to no base load and only renewables. The battery farm again caught fire during record high temperatures.
Look I'm in Tas, Wind turbines have been setup on our West Coast. Home to many sea Eagles, funny how the greens don't want to talk about that. Not to mention what do we do with the blades when need to be replaced. We should have the cheapest power in the country, but the political parties here sold us out. Sad to watch this great country go down the drain.
@@K24Z3CU2 Absolutley, These politicians should be accountable for their actions. Just a bloody joke these days. All they need to do is bring fuel and energy prices down, that would put real money in everybody's pockets
Greens ARE flat earthers!!! You give them demonstrable evidence and they will argue the opposite Our power prices have skyrocketed due to green energy but they still bang on and say it’s cheaper…. Look at your bills !!!!!
Shoebridge puts out a steady string of completely wrong and uninformed information. There isn't time in this debate format to even begin to put in details. Of course there are choices, the rest of the world, without exception, has chosen more wisely, just look around and see what they are doing. All of their choices are cheaper, even those who decided to tear down their renewable "toys" and replace them with new coal solutions. As for building reliable energy solutions that our kids will enjoy in the future, . . . wind turbines and solar panels have a working life of 10 to 15 years. The only thing our kids will enjoy is an even bigger bill for dismantling the broken renewable toys and then rebuilding with whatever is chosen next in 10 years time. It is all wasted money. Of course the investment companies think its a great idea, they will suck the cash revenue out of it until it collapses, then walk away, with pockets full of cash. Wake up, see what is actually happening here. the taxpayers are getting bled white, and in case the tax money gets a bit thin, all the extra tax take (your cash), can be poured into it.
Absolutely! And that fool bangs on about the trillions being spent being worthwhile for our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. They won't even make it past the first generation!
Yeah, her and Canberra fit perfectly together. She would believe every single word the greens tell her, oh and Labor, the saviours. Saving her from those evil conservatives. How sad.
Shoebridge is an Ageist. Coal has served us forever. Reliable, worked every day, built up long service leave and never complained even in peak service times. Bring in the Millennial "Renewable". Shows up late, leaves early, takes long lunches, complains about being overworked and won't go the distance to provide customer expectations. Costs more to employ, takes more sick days and will leave after a few months as they weren't the problem "you" were. Come back Coal, all is forgiven. Can we coax you out of Semi-Retirement?
Looks like David Shoebridge and the leader of the Greens Adam Bandt, share the same father. Bespectacled, earnest, Trotskyites who wish retrograde change for change sake!
I love how people who are afraid of nuclear, have no problems with the massive levels of toxic crap that goes into solar panels, and batteries and when they fail that all goes into our soil.
Batteries don't make intermittent renewables 24/7 Most you'll get out of batteries is a couple of hours. If the sun isn't shining or the wind is blowing by then, we will have blackouts.
exactly, i always say , if we have to have gas back-up to the capacity of 100% if nessesary then why do we need re-newables at all? surely just build the gas and plant some trees and open up the bradford scheme to irrigate central australia , the amount of bio mass created would far outweigh any fosil fuel we burn for the next hundred years! another big volcanic eruption and it would grow like crazy to compensate for the extra natural volcanic co2 released, like nature has been doing since the start of time
These greens must be high, there is no way wind is a reliable energy source, never was never will be. As for solar, better than wind but doesn't work at night and does bugger all on cloudy days. Sure you can spend tens of billions on batteries every decade but then you have unaffordable power.
And I wonder IF those coal fired power stations were modern and kept in top condition, just what difference that might make. I believe the Renewables Dream is already starting to be seen as pure fantasy.
@@BelloBudo007 Yes, this Greens Guy is being totally dishonest, he KNOWS that the Australian coal plant Operators have been told that the coal is going to be phased out, and coal powered power stations will be closing down, so they will not upgrade these power stations and as the equipment is old, they are starting to become unreliable and it's not financially viable to renew the equipment. To use this situation to imply that coal is unreliable is just plain deceitful.
Regardless of what your stance is on renewables, the facts demonstrate that people like David Shoebridge are motivated their by emotions. Australia becoming totally reliant on green energy in the time period that Shoebridge and his ilk would like is NOT going to make any significant difference to the world CO2 emissions. The net zero obsession is simply a combination of virtue signaling and/or a cringe worthy, overestimated sense of Australia's importance in influence in the wider world. Either way, these people shouldn't be any where near the decision making process of this issue.
Barnaby is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he looks like an absolute genius next to Green's senator Shoebridge. Michael, you like most Greens, are a nutter.
Renewables can’t be made without fossil fuels to make, manufacture and construct them. If we look at the locations you would need large amounts of land for solar farms. As a rule of thumb, a 1MW solar farm will occupy approximately 2-3 hectares of land.18 Apr 2018. AGL Bayswater coal fired power station provides 2715 megawatts. Sydney have low annual consumption (average of 5,.154 mw while cold areas like Hobart have very high consumption (7.2 on average).19 Jan 2024. So the solar farm for Sydney LGA would be about 15 hectares. To produce the power of AGL power station you need 2715 x 3= 8,145 hectares of land. This simply not feasible.
heres a fun game you can play. go on the internet and see if you can find someone arguing for renewables in good faith. no lies, no strawmen, no distortions, no omissions.. good luck
Can't watch anything where everyone is shouting over each other. I turned it off as soon as this happened. Barnaby Joyce politely listened and didn't interrupt. Why didn't those two vituperative greenies extend the same courtesy to him?
Remember Albo saying its cheap to charge your electric car at night time using solar panels. I need to get some of those special night time ones for my place. I did ask Labor where to buy and they said Chris Blackout Bowens place.
I think I can say that there is a general consensus amongst Aussie voters that nuclear should be at least included in discussions around the best energy mix going forward .Unfortunately Labor the Greens and others refuse to allow this to happen. They have made up their minds and will not be dissuaded. Makes who to vote for in the next federal election an easy choice. Life is made simpler. I like that.
I've said it elsewhere, I am a fan of renewable energy. But it is not ready to carry base load (the current iteration of renewables may never be). But the level of lying and disingenuousness from the green side of politics is off the chart. So, you're telling me that a coal fired plant that has not been invested in and has trouble finding finance (given 30+year pay back) to develop new more efficient versions of coal power because of green's out and out lies is becoming unreliable? What are the odds? If you prevent a Toyota from being serviced and having the oil changed for 10-years it will likely have significant issues no matter how reliable it is to begin with. And the green types simply ignore the environmental issues with "green" technology, and I'm NOT talking about the pseudo science of wind turbine headaches. If you want evidence, that is LEGAL PROOF, just look at all the legal cases with turnkey wind turbine and solar farms where the owner sues the builder (who designs, builds and typically maintains) because they are never as theoretically productive as estimated, they damage easily, and their working life is not even close to what was contracted. If the big engineering and construction firms (i.e. not your dodgy local builders) can't make it work, then who can?
Make me PM, I will shut down all wind farms and solar BS, build 6 new coal fired power stations and 3 Nuclear power stations. As PM I need to make the right choices for our country, not what the idiots and Greens want😂👍
Started watching this video with a very open mind. But as soon as the greens rep started making his arguments political (talking about the coalition) I quickly understood that they are not basing their arguments off facts, but ideology. If a coal power stations are aging thats to be expected, just cant see why you wouldnt sure up a system with either some coal or even better nuclear. Why do we have to be all in on one or another. Is there no scope for a middle ground.
Why the heck are our coal-fired power stations 40-50-60 years old, neglected to such a state that over summer they go out? That's no fault of coal, but lazy technicians and their union bosses refusing to maintain them, successive Labor governments refusing to fund routine maintenance and upgrades as up-to-date technology became available. No worries mate, there is always a lot more overtime dealing with constant breakdowns than there is keeping the place running efficiently. They did the same thing to our motor industry, and nearly our port facilities . . . until they got what-for from Patrick.
@@margaretarmstrong2445 Meanwhile the bulldozers, excavators, dump trucks at the mine, and the locomotives and wagons that move the coal to the power stations last forever don't they? You're not wrong but its a stupid argument. Everything needs maintenance, repair and eventual replacement.
@@stuarthancock571 We had a total of 34 coal-fired power plants in Australia in 2010. We now have less than twenty in the whole of Australia. The government is planning to install 17,000 wind turbines, all of which are manufactured from mined materials and all require bulldozers, excavators, dump trucks and cranes to install them. The turbines are so big now that 'each blade' requires two specialised trucks to transport them and escort vehicles before and after. Some of these blades are in excess of ninety meters long so the journey from the port, which in our case is 300 kilometres, must be pre-planned. Because the blades are so long they require a wide arc when negotiating winding roads which results in the loss of large areas of native trees and scrub. The towers are moved in 5 separate parts and assembled on site. These also need oversized trucks which require escort vehicles and of course the same applies to the nacelles. The solar projects also require bulldozers, excavators and dump trucks. There are 37 wind and solar projects near us, existing, being built or in the planning stages. Just 'one' wind/solar project near our home will comprise of 63 wind turbines at 6MW and standing 250m high which will utilise 77 square kilometres of agricultural land. The solar project will consist of more than a million solar panels and will utilise 13 square kilometres of land. This project will also need backup BESS of equal capacity as well as two substations and 11 kilometres of internal transmission lines to connect to the new national grid, which doesn't exist yet. Many of the intended projects will be back to back which will mean the loss of large amounts of native trees and scrub as well as native wildlife including birds and bats including endangered species. Do a few sums based on the information I've given you. We rely on all of this infrastructure from China which means that all the raw materials were shipped there to manufacture the infrastructure which is then shipped all around the globe including Australia. All this and no one has even thought about what happens to all this infrastructure in 15 to 20 years time. Trust me, none of this has been thought through. The damage being done globally as well as here in Australia to push so called clean green energy is horrendous. You don't seem to understand the scale of the amount of raw materials that will be necessary for a transition to renewables. All of it is mined. Do some research, there is so much more I could tell you but it's not possible in a comment.
They’re ageing because you made it clear the arson the out so company’s aren’t maintaining them. Wind and solar waste of time, they only last a few years how do we afford to keep replacing them.
How repugnant is Shoebridge! Talking over Joyce the entire time! Susan is a typical Canberran. She certainly should remain there in her imaginary perfect state. Shoebridge loves the sound of his own voice honestly.
The Greens guy is wrong. We certainly need to look at nuclear. Wind and solar are not made in Australia and wind towers need to be replaced constantly and solar panels also need to be replaced. They also use batteries that have no safe disposal.There hasn’t been a nuclear power blow up for many years, not counting Japan because of a tsunami. And yes used rods are something to consider. It’s not going to happen quickly.
while im on the the buyback scheme here in WA the "savings" im getting with my panels are miniscle. at 7c per kW generated my 5 kW panels gererate only $54 and that doesnt even cover the service charge for the 3 mth period. So all up its a load of shit if all im saving is $54 for 3 mths of gereration. Bring in nuclear i say
The Greens mp said the electricity prices in Canberra have gone down. If you mean I pay more than this time last year then yes. The greens guy is delusional, my bill has gone up about $150, since albo came in
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The only thing that's renewable about renewables, is that every 10-15 years they will need to be renewed. An utter waste of resources for no gain.
Agree it’s a fn joke
Barnaby real name under the mask is Scott Wilson
His sister is Theresa Wilson
Barnaby Wilson never pays super at all when he owned Wilson air conditioning service, didn’t even pay his workers there holiday pay
@bencooper9637 what's that got to do with renewable energy fuckimg the taxpayer and the average customer. Not to mention the ugly windfarms and fields of solar panels ruining the landscape of a beautiful country.
If ACT is 100% wind and solar, all transmission lines coming into the ACT must be disconnected.
"Renewables are driving prices down" says David. Seriously?
What planet is David getting his electricity from? Definitely not from Australia. Electricity prices are doubling under Albo's watch.
Solar only works in when there is sun. Very little power generated when it's cloudy! They also are out in the open and when there is a thunderstorm and hail is involved they break easily!!
He's full of it. Plain and simple.
He is from the Greens planet where they still have unicorns. Thankfully these clowns will never win Govt.
Ok, but it's a market so albo has no direct control of power price, also prices will go up over time for increased maintenance on coal plants and the cost of coal as commodity. Thats how markets work. For an accountant, Barnaby doesn't understand return on investment.
@DRKDNCR as opposed to the substations that are out in the open to the elements. The one by me had a brick wall built so if one transformer exploded it would hit the second.
This man is delusional about renewables , he actually believes his own bullshit…😂😂😂😂😂😂
He has no FKn idea.
Good on you Barnaby for telling it as it is. The greens are not all there, they need help…😂😂😂
they seriously cant hear themselves " nuclear will cost us 30 billion " when the estimate for renewables is 1.5 trillion ! wait, let me do the math .. renewables need renewing every 15 years and nuclear will go for 80 years ... the greenie is setting us up for a disaster from a hail storm/ cyclone / micro-burst even, trashing the system and millions in repairs where in a disaster a coal or gas power station would keep plugging along making power needed for the clean up
How many times did David say renewables are cheaper?
Shoebridge loves the smell of his own farts.
the left believe in that old chestnut, " if you repeat a lie often enough and its big enough it will become the truth" @@johnwilliams3555
What happened to the Victorian Gov's commitment of bringing back the SEC? Was never going to happen and people still believed it and voted that has been back in (he might be out but his puppet still took the reins!)
David Shoebridge has conveniently not addressed the matter of renewables being unable to provide base power.
Base power being what is needed to provide large amounts of power needed by industry.
Engineering works, smelters etc.
This guy is a clown. If our country invested in Nuclear or new Coal powered stations 15+ years ago we would actually have cheap power. Wake up people.
So all this time we have had coal and never had a problem. All of a sudden coal is evil and it's bad. And nuclear is out of the question as they are fearful for a 1986 nuclear meltdown. Look at all the other countries in the world that have nuclear and those that are in earthquake zones. What are they worried about?
Their bosses, UN agenda.
Yes we do have a choice but unfortunately labour are sending us over a cliff.
Get rid of Bowen. And Labor/Greens 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
It's like a Biden economy in Australia. These clowns are not experts. They are experts in bs brainwashing!
What about l.n.p?.
Bowen is a Minister without any level of intellectual ability. It is scary on whom is making decisions in this area and in a decades time the Labor and Greens would have moved on with catastrophic consequences. UNBELIEVABLE society needs to stand up the government are missing in action within so many areas.
Bowen is the most inept politician we have ever suffered. He has failed every portfolio he has ever had.@@ianwoodward3122
Logically you would think that National voters ( farmers ) would have a better idea on climate change than green voters ( inner city folk )
What 'climate change'? Are you able to give me a scientifically-based answer, or just your opinion. The World Meteorological Organization has never acknowledged any change since 1880, so to what "change" are you referring? TELL ME!
@@tombradshaw5164 settle petal…re read what I posted…I’m insinuating that farmers would know if the climate is changing more than city folk
If Barnaby is a farmer, I'm a astronaut.
Good on you Barnaby! Spot on!
Barnaby Joyce is right!
He's never been right about anything
At least we know he knows where the payment is.
24/7 power with batteries Barnaby. We get sun over winter here too, unlike Ukraine and Russia who have centralised power sources that keep getting blown up. It would take a heck of a lot of explosives to destroy renewables that are spread across the country....unless you want to make it easy for an aggressor.
They haven't discussed the major issue with Tesla battery farm in Geelong, VIC that was about to be switched on then exploded and caused a thermal runaway. Talk about progress. What about in SA a few years back, the entire state lost electricity due to no base load and only renewables. The battery farm again caught fire during record high temperatures.
This segmant was too short . Its The biggest issue facing Australians future.
Don't forget unsustainable immigration rates
cant have immigrants without reliable power @@dontbeasheeple5883
Look I'm in Tas, Wind turbines have been setup on our West Coast.
Home to many sea Eagles, funny how the greens don't want to talk about that.
Not to mention what do we do with the blades when need to be replaced.
We should have the cheapest power in the country, but the political parties here sold us out.
Sad to watch this great country go down the drain.
We need a debate like the US grilling of Zuckerberg. Say 3hrs 45 mins. This would be far better entertainment than 22 mins
@@K24Z3CU2 Absolutley, These politicians should be accountable for their actions. Just a bloody joke these days.
All they need to do is bring fuel and energy prices down, that would put real money in everybody's pockets
Shoebridge the comedian, probably a mate of blackout bowen
Giving the greens a say is like giving flat earthers a say!!
You are a flat earther whether you like it or not.
Greens ARE flat earthers!!!
You give them demonstrable evidence and they will argue the opposite
Our power prices have skyrocketed due to green energy but they still bang on and say it’s cheaper….
Look at your bills !!!!!
I’d rather give flat earthers a say any day of the week over the greens.
@@w_stanky lol
@@JohnSmith-vu6zd 🤣joking but not joking 🤣
That greens senator is lying through his teeth. He definately has some personal gain in pushing renewables or has severe cognitive dissonance.
Shoebridge puts out a steady string of completely wrong and uninformed information. There isn't time in this debate format to even begin to put in details. Of course there are choices, the rest of the world, without exception, has chosen more wisely, just look around and see what they are doing. All of their choices are cheaper, even those who decided to tear down their renewable "toys" and replace them with new coal solutions. As for building reliable energy solutions that our kids will enjoy in the future, . . . wind turbines and solar panels have a working life of 10 to 15 years. The only thing our kids will enjoy is an even bigger bill for dismantling the broken renewable toys and then rebuilding with whatever is chosen next in 10 years time. It is all wasted money. Of course the investment companies think its a great idea, they will suck the cash revenue out of it until it collapses, then walk away, with pockets full of cash. Wake up, see what is actually happening here. the taxpayers are getting bled white, and in case the tax money gets a bit thin, all the extra tax take (your cash), can be poured into it.
Keep China rich as they are making them, in coal power furnaces that we give them the coal for, it’s a joke
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and Labor’s spin on renewables.
Why are we listening to Green idiocy?
That green bloke is full of crap. No idea what he is saying
and he couldn't stop saying it.
Wind and solar will not last long enough, you will have to keep rebuilding.
Absolutely! And that fool bangs on about the trillions being spent being worthwhile for our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. They won't even make it past the first generation!
A never ending money cycle to communist China. Now that’s who you want to rely on to keep your energy grid running.
@@margaretarmstrong2445 And China will keep laughing all the way to the bank at our stupidity!
The no from Canberra says it all😂
I was thinking the same. And when she was answering the dickhead with the glasses had a shimmer on his face think g we need more of her.
Of course she did😂
Yeah, her and Canberra fit perfectly together. She would believe every single word the greens tell her, oh and Labor, the saviours. Saving her from those evil conservatives. How sad.
Shoebridge is an Ageist. Coal has served us forever. Reliable, worked every day, built up long service leave and never complained even in peak service times. Bring in the Millennial "Renewable". Shows up late, leaves early, takes long lunches, complains about being overworked and won't go the distance to provide customer expectations. Costs more to employ, takes more sick days and will leave after a few months as they weren't the problem "you" were. Come back Coal, all is forgiven. Can we coax you out of Semi-Retirement?
also kept plugging away making power during and after a cyclone to assist in the clean-up and not BE part of the clean-up!
Great analogy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Love the analogy
BS on BS
We are closing 18 coal powered stations when Asia is building 400+ in the next 2 years
Greens delusional.
When the Greens are in, you'll never get a straight answer. It's all garbage talk.
Labour has no idea. Do not understand the normal Ozzie living expenses. And will not open they mind and think outside the box.
Madness thank you w e f
Mediator should have told David to shut up and let Barnaby talk
Looks like David Shoebridge and the leader of the Greens Adam Bandt, share the same father.
Bespectacled, earnest, Trotskyites who wish retrograde change for change sake!
Agreed and y do they talk with the wincy lisp is it a symptom of toooooo much soy or speaking with forked tongue
This David guy is a complete waste of space
All the multi nationals that invest in renewable need to be named and how much tax dollar's is going to them
Renewables are replaceables. In 15 to 25 years they reach end of life. And this is marketed as a sustainable solution?
I love how people who are afraid of nuclear, have no problems with the massive levels of toxic crap that goes into solar panels, and batteries and when they fail that all goes into our soil.
If renewables are driving prices down, why is my energy bill going up please?
Batteries don't make intermittent renewables 24/7 Most you'll get out of batteries is a couple of hours. If the sun isn't shining or the wind is blowing by then, we will have blackouts.
exactly, i always say , if we have to have gas back-up to the capacity of 100% if nessesary then why do we need re-newables at all? surely just build the gas and plant some trees and open up the bradford scheme to irrigate central australia , the amount of bio mass created would far outweigh any fosil fuel we burn for the next hundred years! another big volcanic eruption and it would grow like crazy to compensate for the extra natural volcanic co2 released, like nature has been doing since the start of time
If you want to pay more than 5 times for energy vote greensand dblack out Bowen
We know experts are on side of who pays them, let's remember Tim, the expert😮
These greens must be high, there is no way wind is a reliable energy source, never was never will be.
As for solar, better than wind but doesn't work at night and does bugger all on cloudy days.
Sure you can spend tens of billions on batteries every decade but then you have unaffordable power.
I’m actually agreeing with Barnaby Joyce
just when I thought the greens had run out of lunatics here we find another one! must be more to come
No choice??
Bill s…!
Just say NO!!
I was waiting for Shoebridge to say, "Trust me!"
Renewables are driving prices down???😂😂😂
Spot the shill
The power today 80 per cent made from coal-fired power
And I wonder IF those coal fired power stations were modern and kept in top condition, just what difference that might make.
I believe the Renewables Dream is already starting to be seen as pure fantasy.
@@BelloBudo007
Yes, this Greens Guy is being totally dishonest, he KNOWS that the Australian coal plant Operators have been told that the coal is going to be phased out, and coal powered power stations will be closing down, so they will not upgrade these power stations and as the equipment is old, they are starting to become unreliable and it's not financially viable to renew the equipment.
To use this situation to imply that coal is unreliable is just plain deceitful.
Can someone ask David where the Greens find all these ydyot5 ?
Net zero will not be reached in your great grandkids lifetime, time for this bullshit to stop.
Regardless of what your stance is on renewables, the facts demonstrate that people like David Shoebridge are motivated their by emotions.
Australia becoming totally reliant on green energy in the time period that Shoebridge and his ilk would like is NOT going to make any significant difference to the world CO2 emissions.
The net zero obsession is simply a combination of virtue signaling and/or a cringe worthy, overestimated sense of Australia's importance in influence in the wider world.
Either way, these people shouldn't be any where near the decision making process of this issue.
The only Net Zero in the whole universe is the intelligence of greenies....
Lol😂
Barnaby is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he looks like an absolute genius next to Green's senator Shoebridge. Michael, you like most Greens, are a nutter.
The Green Dream, these people are insane, absolutely insane, the dribble these lunatics sprout is pure ideology.
Those of you with Gen Z or Millennial children please talk some sense into them before we are driven to poverty with this bullshit.
Whats the problem with clean gas base energy? We have supply.
Renewables are cheap, what a non-sense.
When you don’t spend your own money, everything is cheap.
David is living in fantasy wokeland
Windmill blades dont last 100 years
Neither do coal mines
Communist…..extremist
Didn't see any really good points from Shoebridge!
Keep repeating the lie, David ! Teenagers will believe you
Renewables can’t be made without fossil fuels to make, manufacture and construct them.
If we look at the locations you would need large amounts of land for solar farms. As a rule of thumb, a 1MW solar farm will occupy approximately 2-3 hectares of land.18 Apr 2018.
AGL Bayswater coal fired power station provides 2715 megawatts.
Sydney have low annual consumption (average of 5,.154 mw while cold areas like Hobart have very high consumption (7.2 on average).19 Jan 2024.
So the solar farm for Sydney LGA would be about 15 hectares.
To produce the power of AGL power station you need 2715 x 3= 8,145 hectares of land.
This simply not feasible.
That women in the front that votes different to the rest is in fairy land and makes no sense
heres a fun game you can play. go on the internet and see if you can find someone arguing for renewables in good faith. no lies, no strawmen, no distortions, no omissions.. good luck
Can't watch anything where everyone is shouting over each other. I turned it off as soon as this happened. Barnaby Joyce politely listened and didn't interrupt. Why didn't those two vituperative greenies extend the same courtesy to him?
Shorbridge knows he's lying, he knows it's a scam. I do not like Barnaby Joyce but in this case he's correct.
Still want to see Canberra go fully renewable....
What a loaded of BS David S
Remember Albo saying its cheap to charge your electric car at night time using solar panels. I need to get some of those special night time ones for my place. I did ask Labor where to buy and they said Chris Blackout Bowens place.
Why are all greens male politicians so gay sounding, eg this bloke and Adam Bandt? Is it a prerequisite for males to get into the Greens party?
All the $$$ wasted so far would have put a 7kw solar system on every house in Aust. That’s a fair start before the whole grid is absolutely wrecked .
Its about time we let the adults in to the room. These renewables advocates are absolutely idealogically captured
Shoebridge is a dill...
Build new coal power stations
Wow the green cult is strong with this one
I think I can say that there is a general consensus amongst Aussie voters that nuclear should be at least included in discussions around the best energy mix going forward .Unfortunately Labor the Greens and others refuse to allow this to happen. They have made up their minds and will not be dissuaded. Makes who to vote for in the next federal election an easy choice. Life is made simpler. I like that.
I've said it elsewhere, I am a fan of renewable energy. But it is not ready to carry base load (the current iteration of renewables may never be). But the level of lying and disingenuousness from the green side of politics is off the chart.
So, you're telling me that a coal fired plant that has not been invested in and has trouble finding finance (given 30+year pay back) to develop new more efficient versions of coal power because of green's out and out lies is becoming unreliable? What are the odds? If you prevent a Toyota from being serviced and having the oil changed for 10-years it will likely have significant issues no matter how reliable it is to begin with.
And the green types simply ignore the environmental issues with "green" technology, and I'm NOT talking about the pseudo science of wind turbine headaches. If you want evidence, that is LEGAL PROOF, just look at all the legal cases with turnkey wind turbine and solar farms where the owner sues the builder (who designs, builds and typically maintains) because they are never as theoretically productive as estimated, they damage easily, and their working life is not even close to what was contracted. If the big engineering and construction firms (i.e. not your dodgy local builders) can't make it work, then who can?
Go barnaby
Make me PM, I will shut down all wind farms and solar BS, build 6 new coal fired power stations and 3 Nuclear power stations. As PM I need to make the right choices for our country, not what the idiots and Greens want😂👍
Started watching this video with a very open mind. But as soon as the greens rep started making his arguments political (talking about the coalition) I quickly understood that they are not basing their arguments off facts, but ideology. If a coal power stations are aging thats to be expected, just cant see why you wouldnt sure up a system with either some coal or even better nuclear. Why do we have to be all in on one or another. Is there no scope for a middle ground.
Why the heck are our coal-fired power stations 40-50-60 years old, neglected to such a state that over summer they go out? That's no fault of coal, but lazy technicians and their union bosses refusing to maintain them, successive Labor governments refusing to fund routine maintenance and upgrades as up-to-date technology became available. No worries mate, there is always a lot more overtime dealing with constant breakdowns than there is keeping the place running efficiently. They did the same thing to our motor industry, and nearly our port facilities . . . until they got what-for from Patrick.
Life span of a windfarm 25-30 years max. The environmental harm to build a windfarm/solar farm is massive.
The generators and blades last only 15 to 20 years. Many don't last that long.
@@margaretarmstrong2445 Meanwhile the bulldozers, excavators, dump trucks at the mine, and the locomotives and wagons that move the coal to the power stations last forever don't they? You're not wrong but its a stupid argument. Everything needs maintenance, repair and eventual replacement.
@@stuarthancock571 We had a total of 34 coal-fired power plants in Australia in 2010. We now have less than twenty in the whole of Australia. The government is planning to install 17,000 wind turbines, all of which are manufactured from mined materials and all require bulldozers, excavators, dump trucks and cranes to install them. The turbines are so big now that 'each blade' requires two specialised trucks to transport them and escort vehicles before and after. Some of these blades are in excess of ninety meters long so the journey from the port, which in our case is 300 kilometres, must be pre-planned. Because the blades are so long they require a wide arc when negotiating winding roads which results in the loss of large areas of native trees and scrub. The towers are moved in 5 separate parts and assembled on site. These also need oversized trucks which require escort vehicles and of course the same applies to the nacelles.
The solar projects also require bulldozers, excavators and dump trucks. There are 37 wind and solar projects near us, existing, being built or in the planning stages. Just 'one' wind/solar project near our home will comprise of 63 wind turbines at 6MW and standing 250m high which will utilise 77 square kilometres of agricultural land. The solar project will consist of more than a million solar panels and will utilise 13 square kilometres of land. This project will also need backup BESS of equal capacity as well as two substations and 11 kilometres of internal transmission lines to connect to the new national grid, which doesn't exist yet. Many of the intended projects will be back to back which will mean the loss of large amounts of native trees and scrub as well as native wildlife including birds and bats including endangered species.
Do a few sums based on the information I've given you. We rely on all of this infrastructure from China which means that all the raw materials were shipped there to manufacture the infrastructure which is then shipped all around the globe including Australia. All this and no one has even thought about what happens to all this infrastructure in 15 to 20 years time. Trust me, none of this has been thought through. The damage being done globally as well as here in Australia to push so called clean green energy is horrendous. You don't seem to understand the scale of the amount of raw materials that will be necessary for a transition to renewables. All of it is mined. Do some research, there is so much more I could tell you but it's not possible in a comment.
They’re ageing because you made it clear the arson the out so company’s aren’t maintaining them. Wind and solar waste of time, they only last a few years how do we afford to keep replacing them.
How repugnant is Shoebridge! Talking over Joyce the entire time! Susan is a typical Canberran. She certainly should remain there in her imaginary perfect state. Shoebridge loves the sound of his own voice honestly.
Shoebridge is living in Disneyland
If renewables are driving prices down why are electricity prices going up?
Albo clone in jury?
It's a con
Is this clown bowens brother ? Give it to him barnaby :
What an unfunny joke
The premise of this debate should NOT be accepted. There is NO need to transition the energy sector to renewables.
The Greens guy is wrong. We certainly need to look at nuclear. Wind and solar are not made in Australia and wind towers need to be replaced constantly and solar panels also need to be replaced. They also use batteries that have no safe disposal.There hasn’t been a nuclear power blow up for many years, not counting Japan because of a tsunami. And yes used rods are something to consider. It’s not going to happen quickly.
Hear everyone sighing when David says something everyone else knows is ridiculous.
while im on the the buyback scheme here in WA the "savings" im getting with my panels are miniscle. at 7c per kW generated my 5 kW panels gererate only $54 and that doesnt even cover the service charge for the 3 mth period. So all up its a load of shit if all im saving is $54 for 3 mths of gereration. Bring in nuclear i say
The only reason I got solar was so I could run my ac for bugger all through summer
LOL the rusted-on Labor voter votes No - what a surprise.
7trilon makes a lot of nuke power..
without an instant fact check on what is stated ,its an opinion show . wouldnt watch another ..
that David guy is something else
The Greens mp said the electricity prices in Canberra have gone down. If you mean I pay more than this time last year then yes. The greens guy is delusional, my bill has gone up about $150, since albo came in
How can something that blows or shines at its own accord be reliable?
Power prices tell the story....the end....
That David is nuts coal and nuclear is the only way to go carbon is oxygen
Labor and greens are clueless