In the books Sophie literally befriended Agatha just to do a good deed and be accepted into the School of Good. It is a big part of their relationship and who she is, showing since the beginning why she is put in the School of Evil
ugh that was so good, i could literally see it happening and the movie is probably so different than how i imagined everything happened so i’m glad i can’t watch it guys this sentence makes no grammatical sense, it’s just gibberish why so man likes✋😭
They should've made it into a show instead of a movie. It will also help people who haven't read the books relate and bond more with the characters and given the changes it would've made a better build up for example with Gregor and it's demise
Yes I agree. There is just simply too much plot that was lost trying to fit it into the length of a film. Plus there are too many characters as well so that the film doesn't give you enough time to explore them, not just with the main characters but also other characters like Dot, Anadill, Hester, Hort and even the other boys of the school for good. Makes it hard for those who haven't read the books to really connect with them.
I do agree that it should be a show instead of a movie because there are parts that the movie didn't cover. Like Tedros true love is Agatha, him choosing her over and over again rather than them casually talking. And completely changing there chemistry like literally Tedros hates Agatha because she's a witch but after the trial by tale (Agatha saving Tedros) he starts seeing Agatha as Good. Also Sophie slowly accepting that she's Evil not Rafal manipulating her which sucks. This seems to shows that Sophie was just a victim of being manipulated to doing evil stuffs. I think if it were a show though the production may not be as grand as this.
They tried to do to Sofia Wylie the same thing WB did to Emma Watson in the 1st two HP. They gave them big unruly hair to make them look "less pretty", but it didn't work then and it doesn't work now, they're both serving.
Couldn't agree more, that was my personal issue with the the casting of Sofia. She is so pretty that it's simply impossible to hide it and say otherwise. Agatha's beauty wasn't supposed to be so obvious from the beginning XD
@@adisaster6338 honestly i can get over the fact that movie agatha was already super pretty at the start (bc the point of the book was that agatha truly was beautiful all along, it's just her self-esteem). but book agatha started off as nasty, rude, and unlikable, which was understandable why the people of gavaldon expected her to get into evil school. movie agatha was just a gen-z teenager
@@misssteak1290 i feel like rather than being mean or nasty, she was blunt and sarcastic, since she was truly 100% good from the start. i like how in the books you could kind of tell that they were both where they belonged from how they acted, no matter where they thought they belonged.
I wish they made agatha more "agatha" instead of "I'm agatha, I'm not like other girls, I wear pants" Also agatha should've been more MEAN AND VISCIOUS instead of just "ugh, I don't like it here, hmmph"
NO RIGHT THEY MADE HER SO CRINGEY PLS SHE WAS MORE THAN THAT 😭😭 same with the way they dressed her!!!! They didnt try at all to make her look like a villain
Yeah I didn’t really like that. Agatha was supposed to be like a goth scary and viciously mean and rude person. In the movie she’s more of a tomboyish spunky awkward girl
@@psyb0rgz447 idk if you read the books or not but shes actually not that mean in the books. you could say shes good because she has a kind heart but she just like goth stuff
@@rescenary ?? I have read the books multiple times (thanks) and agatha ruthelessy insulted sophie 24/7 as well as made fun of her for liking fairytales. agatha was very mean.
Its legit illogical sometimes to make it into a movie (unless its a short story then maybe thats manageable) Shows r meant to show of multiple aspects of stories and flesh out characters. They arent forced to cut off any plot points.
@@sapphicvampire8504 Like, the books are THICK thick, not like a YA novel with a huge font There were MULTIPLE IMPACTFUL SCENES that were either watered down (Gregor, who the fuck) and outright DELETED
i totally agree with the village not knowing the school exists- a huge plot line is sophie’s father trying to stop her from getting kidnapped and she is actively trying to be taken. also people get taken every 4 years, which makes sense, meaning that everyone is in the same year and when people graduate new people come in right away. edit: also agatha’s house in the movie was adorable, definitely did not give the creepy vibes it was meant to. i would live there. i would not have lived in book agatha’s house.
Yeah, the village prepares to defend the children every four years. Like, the beginning of book two has everyone fawning over the girls who supposedly killed the School Master and broke the curse.
Actually the town had no clue about the school until book two. They just thought that if the children got kidnapped they were eaten by monsters or killed as they couldn’t leave the village and leaving one way just meant that you appeared on the other side of the town.
@@thatpanfairy7176 No, I think they did have an idea of the school because of the storybooks. The books were engraved with the School for Good and Evil crest and even before that they started to recognize the children who got kidnapped in the storybooks. Before that were all their bear and kidnapping theories. So I think they did have some sort of idea of who was kidnapping children and where they were going, they just wanted to sensibly keep their children from being kidnapped.
@@pancakesarebetterthanwaffl3093 honestly that may be true there isn’t much for either honestly it does make more sense if they had some sort of clue however since it only seems to have happened 3 times with 3 year’s in between each one. However they do seem very confused on how their children are being kidnapped. Second thing I love your user name pancakes are better than waffles.
They also cut the best line at the end of the book which was 'Who needs a Prince in our fairytale?' which opens up the second book, A world without Princess PERFECTLY
Agreed! And they sort of took away ‘Farewell, Gavaldon! Farewell, low ambition! Farewell, mediocrity-Agatha no!’ . That line was so entertaining! At least they had ‘The bird ate my shirt. Can I touch your hair?’
The “not like other girls” thing irked me on another level in this because the other girlies were literally raised and conditioned to be the way they are. Like, yeah, they suck, but they were driven to compete against each other to try to be the best. That atmosphere is going to create shallow mean girls.
ugh literally, when Tedros came up to Agatha and went like "ohh other princess' smile and bat their eyes at me...but you don't...which isn't boring" i was just suffering every second of it. It's a horrible trope and i thought we already demolished it in media uggghhh
@@kyutie3905 i know right? In the books Tedros DIDN'T like Agatha, because she WASN'T like other girls. She wasnt over the stars about him, she didnt try to get his attention, she didn't react positivly about him. She made him doubt, which is why Tedros wrote off Agatha as a witch, a villain in his mind.
Having the evil brother show up and trick Sophia into becoming a witch really takes away her agency and it was a big thing watching the movie for me. like girlie is evil on her own she doesn't need my man being like "Agatha hates u blah blah blah". Shouldve kept Sader in, should've kept in the GOOSE SCENE, should've kept in OG trial by tale and the talent show bit. They should've kept all of that in and made a show
i couldn't shake the feeling that they did that to make sophie more likable. in the books sophie is so mean and awful, but she's ridiculous and funny and entertaining so we love her anyway. the writers/producers probably didn't have faith that the audience would be able to enjoy or root for a female main character that was so objectively bad, so they added this "corruption" by the school master and removed any responsibility for her evil actions. i can enjoy the movie as its own thing separate from the books, but that's something that disappointed me the most.
@@-atlantis-6161 YES IT LITERALLY DEVASTATED ME WHEN I WAS WATCHING I think they replaced it with the fight scene with Hester BC they wanted more action in the movie and I hate it so much. That scene and the wish fish scene are the two scenes where we see the evil and good in Sophie and Aggie and getting rid of Sophie's felt like, once again, taking away her responsibility for her actions by making it seem like it's actually the school masters corruption. Also replacing a dark, scary scene with an action scene is very Hollywood.
@@martinachooffey1843 IK RIGHT? I REMEMBER THE GOOSE SCENE BEING MY FAVOURITE BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A PLOT TWIST. YOU REALLY THINK SOPHIE IS GOING TO SHOW HER TRUE BEAUTY AND IT’S JUST A MASSIVE ‘SIKE’ FROM THE AUTHOR AND I LOVED IT SO MUCH. ALSO THE FOX SCENE WAS GOOD ASWELL AND THEY DIDNT EVEN *THINK* OF PUTTING IT IN
My sister was cackling as I became more and more disappointed as the movie went on like WHY DOES THIS FEEL LIKE IT'S IN 3X SPEED??? THIS SHOUL'DVE BEEN A NETFLIX SERIES!
I'm the books biggest fans, and I didn't hate it. Maybe I just built it up while watching with the anticipation, but I enjoyed it. And Sophie and Horts casting, in my opinion, was so perfect it made the movie
@@wormpirate Girl, every book fan of SGE thinks they are the biggest fan 🙂 it’s just THAT good of a series! I’m glad you enjoyed the film though! Don’t let people who didn’t like it down you liking it yourself! 🙂
I didn't hate it, I enjoyed it, but didn't quite enjoy it as SGE if that makes sense because it's so different, it feels more like an alternate universe ^^;;
I can’t believe Lydia from the Beetlejuice Musical was more Sophie than the actual Sophie from the movie and they were played by the same actress (I know she looks more like Agatha but hear me out: both are girls who learned to hate reality after their mothers died, felt invisible with their different mindsets and upsetted their families for having their heads in the clouds. Both are insensitive, impulsive and witty at times and were forced to marry creepy otherworldly beings. Plus Dead Mom fits Sophie so well-)
honstly i agree she dose look more like agatha and the girl who played agatha look much more like how i pictured sophie (aside form the fact shes not a blonde)
NO FR SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE UGLY THATS WHY SHE GOT BULLIED BUT SHE LOOKS PRETTY NEAT?? And like everyone else pointed out, the only "messy" thing about her was her natural black hair 🤨??
That's the same thing I thought, when people was calling her witch in her village and saying that they didn't want people like she and her mother around I thought it was some kind of metaphor of racism or something...idk
ngl i was thinking that too. i wasn't a fan of all the unnecessary race swaps (the rest of the students were all racially n ethnically coded to be diverse in the books idk why they ignored the possibilities there) but the fact that there is no good reason to think Agatha's ugly makes it look like racism
See that’s what I thought, she is so pretty, and seems pretty normal to me, so idk why she’s thought of as a witch in the movie. I wish that they’d kept Agatha as white in the movies and casted someone who’s less conventionally attractive cause it just felt like a completely different movie. Like, I think the fact that they’re making more characters POC is great but Agatha is meant to be really pale, so it would’ve been better to make one of the other main characters POC instead.
@@idk_a_plant i actually didn't mind the race swaps since EVERYONE in the main cast was white. i think since the other students were described to be more diverse people forget that. i think it's not unintentional that the bullying seems more like racism since there are intersections between race and societal ideas of beauty, they just didn't take the time to explore that in the movie (which makes sense considering how rushed the pacing felt.) i think it's very interesting that people wished they just chose a non-conventionally attractive white person, and seem set in the idea that agatha just can't be black and embody the character and general look that was described in the book...
In the books, the conflict between the two School Masters is more than a silly fight scene- it’s supposed to be a full-out *war*, with a shit ton of deaths happening, and with one masked School Master emerging from the conflict.
oh my god yall so like a month ago they released the sequel to the prequel where it detailed the war between the school master brothers that had been kept a secret since the first book and when i say it was a straight up fantasy war- like even back when the movie released i couldnt believe they just took this backstory that was parroted for three books straight and made it this little fight between brothers instead of two sides of the woods rallying with either. i mean the book goes into more detail than what i just said and reveals a lot but yeah.
@@suddenlycrows LMAO FR THO i’m a fan of the books for like almost 8 years now and the moment i saw that intro i was like ???? whats going awnnnn 😭😭 the real battle, if u consider the prequels canon books, is so different it might as well be a different series altogether
@@renoirrrI’ve read the prequels, it’s a full-on war, brother against brother, Good vs Evil. Each side had a massive army with at least a hundred people
they literally missed the whole point!! like sophie’s whole motivation was not to end up like her mother- this is stated sO many times throughout the entire series. sophie was afraid of being alone and unloved, and that’s what fueled her. agatha’s motivations are similar (she wants to have a friend) and sophie is all she cares about- NOT BEING BEAUTIFUL. LITERALLY AT ALL. until like the fourth book, she never really brings up her insecurities and actually emphasises the ridiculousness of beautiful = good. agatha is supposed to be a contradiction to the fairytale rule and they completely missed that in the movie. they made sophie’s character shallow, using her vanity as her motivation rather than her fear. i was actually so disappointed. also- why on earth did they bring raphal in like that?? like??? there was absolutely no reason to have him as such a main character. sophie’s transformation seems so much more excusable because of his involvement. like no- sophie IS evil, even if she doesnt like it. she wasn’t supposed to be controlled by raphal, and i hated that they took away her accountability because they wanted another romantic plotline which didnt even fit in with the other plotlines. overall, the movie was crowded and rushed, and i think they totally missed the whole message that soman was trying to send.
Yes!!! They COMPLETELY missed showing for every character what truly motivates them, for Sophie it is her fear regarding herself, for Agatha her insecurity, and Tedros his fear of ending up just like his parents. They are all very personal motivations that the book beautifully and brilliantly shows (and for Tedros it literally took ONE page to show it! And in the film could have literally been addressed in a 2 minute flashback) and yet they missed showing those motivations for each of them completely, and so they missed the mark on what these characters are like completely and either started with who the character BECOME LATER in the series (in regards to Sophie and Agatha) or get their character COMPLETELY backwards in the way they think (Tedros) it’s SO infuriating because it doesn’t give a proper representation of this book and these characters AT ALL. Especially regarding how in-depth they are written, especially later on, it’s all based on those initial motivations and reasons for why these characters act the way they act, so for them to COMPLETELY ruin that from the very beginning I fear they won’t be able to properly developing these characters like it was done in the books, especially if you can’t get their basic motivations and characterizations down from the beginning. It’s sad
She was being controlled by him? I thought she was just being manipulated, but still in control of herself. Of course, I only watched it once, and spent most of the runtime cracking jokes with my BFF
The plot about the girl wanted to avoid being like their mother seem to have been introduced in the second book, actually the movie show a flashback of Sophie and her mother where we see that she don't want to end like her and Rafal use her fear of being alone to corrupt her.
Yes! Sophie doesn’t want to end up like her mother, alone with no one to love, Agatha thinks she’s ugly and can’t be loved until she discovers she’s beautiful, and Tedros doesn’t want to repeat the mistakes his parents made. The movie didn’t show their motivations, taking away the depth in the process
I completely agree that the books should not be in the children’s section. The books are so incredibly complex and when I tried to read it as a younger child I didn’t like the books because I didn’t understand them properly. Then when I read them again later on they became my favourite book series and I love it
Exactly!! The complexity of the characters is what defines the series!! This is, first and foremost, a character driven story, so the fact that they got rid of the most important part of the books makes me SO mad! The characters are flat and not fleshed out, which they could have been with a few good backstory scenes, such as for Tedros, and the fact that they started Agatha and Sophie who they END UP being by book 3 instead of who they ARE in book 1, ruins any chance of character growth they could have had because they now have nowhere to go in terms of character development from the first three books. It’s infuriating because it is the characters growth, development, and complexity (a PERFECT nature vs nurture story) that makes this series SO good, and the fact that they fell flat on ALL of that in so many ways makes this such an unfaithful adaptation to the books. It’s honestly almost like a parody of the book (and when you think of it like that, it makes the movie infinitely more funnier to watch 😂😂) and so I watch it like that, because if I took it seriously or as a serious adaptation of the books, I just feel infuriatingly sad.
Damn I was like 11 when I fell in love with the series, the complexity was one of the reasons I loved it. It didn't treat the audience like a child and I loved that. I loved that none of the characters were as they seemed
oh, this explains why i could never get into the series when i was younger!! it always struck me as weird and i just couldnt really understand it, to me at a young age, it gave "flop". i guess i'll try reading the series again, thank you for pointing this out!!!
@@mystii8134 Yes!! Soman honestly is a perfect kids book author due to the fact that he never talks DOWN to kids but simply to them and treats them as equals, something kids notice! It’s SO important and that’s why I fell in love with him and his books as a kid also! Because he never treated us as kids, but as equals. And he reflected that in his writing and gave us depth he knew we could handle and don’t listen to adults that said we couldn’t! That’s why I’m so glad he wrote the books the way he did! He treated us fairly! It truly is a rarity in middle grade and children’s literature but I’m glad you appreciate it now and that you also got that as a kid! Because that’s how I felt too! It was such a wonderful feeling to feel as a child growing up! I felt that my intellect was respected!
@@Jaguar470 Exactly! At that time, a lot of the books in my primary school library were all ridiculously childish, even the ones for the year 5-6s. I picked up the book and didn't expect much but it blew my mind at how everything was deeper than normal, and that everyone was a much more complex character than all the other books I had read
Another scene from the book that wasn't good in the movie was the whole Agatha smiling a real smile in class. Like in the book it was honestly a big moment but because of the time limit for the movie they couldn't flesh that out well either. It honestly makes me sad because it's one of the scenes i actually remember well
8:40 so basically the school master in the movie was the evil brother but he was pretending to be the good brother. towards like the end of the movie they reveal that homie didn’t actually die and killed his brother instead. but everyone thought he was the good brother. the school master also took over the role of the seer from the book who was like a father figure to agatha and i wish they had him in the movies
ALSO?? WASN'T HE SUPPOSED TO WEAR A MASK?? THE WHOLE MYSTERY OF WHICH TWIN WON WAS BECAUSE THE SCHOOL MASTER WORE A SILEVR MASK RIGHT??? AND DID THEY EVEN CALL HIM "RAFAL" IMMEDIATELY??? ???????
No one was supposed to know if the School Master was Good or Evil, but everyone assumed he was Good cause that’s the side that was winning for 200 years straight. He also wore a mask (would have been so cool to see on screen)
I got to meet Soman during his most recent book tour and he himself is not the biggest fan of the movie, he said he wasn't a big fan of anything they did with Agatha character and design wise, and had a couple issues with the way they chose to interpret the plot. He did mention that he's hoping to get it renewed for a TV show, similar to what happened with Percy Jackson.
Really, that's weird? I follow him on tiktok, and I have never seen a video where he criticises the movie. He always promoted the movie and talked great pride about them, idk if he ever explained any disappointment about them on other social media platforms, so I can't argue with that.
Whew, that makes me feel better. I want this book series to be done right, I have a deep fondness for it that I don't have with other books, it deserves to be as popular as Harry Potter and Percy Jackson, I'm surprised it hasn't gone on mainstream yet, the series is incredible
I definitely thought it was going to be a tv show so I’m even more disappointed knowing now that it left out so much for Sophie. Also, an enemies to lovers plot would have been way better than whatever they did with Tedros (even more so if they hadn’t made Sophie and Agatha twins just to stop shippers).
They didn’t make Sophie and Agatha twins to stop the shipping… it was how their stories were connected from the very beginning their destiny was foretold centuries before they were born that’s been established from the first book. It was the whole if you’re not truly in love your essences don’t mix hence Agatha beautiful inside ugly outside and Sophie ugly inside beautiful outside due to Stefans true love actually being Honora and their mother using magic to force the conception
In the book I really liked how agatha sacrificed her good grades (saying to the teachers that she had the plague) just so she could help sophie with her work in the evil school, it shows just how much agatha wants to go back home. Also, in the book, tedros had Excalibur, his father's sword, but he mostly used his training sword. I think it's because throughout the book he said that he didn't want to make the same mistakes that his father did.
I was so excited for the movie when it was first announced. The School for Good and Evil (only the first book) remains one of my favorite books ever. Unfortunately as more and more movie details were revealed to us, I became less and less enthusiastic to watch it. Finally, I sat down in front of the TV with my dad (who hasn't read the book) and a couple of friends (who have). My expectations were lower than the floor, I was fully prepared to be disappointed. This comment will probably be an entire essay but I am very upset pls bear with me. I'll start off by saying that representation is very important in media, now more than ever, but so is the faithfulness of the adaption. Right off the bat, I didn't like that Agatha was played by a black girl. And this casting choice was revealed right after Annabeth Chase, whose actress I personally can't wait to see in action. My issue with SGE is that unlike Annabeth, Agatha's appearance is fully known by the viewer. Each book's cover illustration has her looks clearly defined, and in-book descriptions place tons of emphasis on how her hair is straight and unwashed, her skin pale and pasty, she even presented clear reasons why she always wore shapeless black (blends in well, easier to clean). With Sophia Wylie playing her, it only makes things easier for me to disconnect the movie from the book, because I go into adaptions to see the characters and story brought to life, not to see people who look completely different from the characters pretending to be them and making the plot happen. Let me touch upon the girls' relationship in Gavaldon. From the beginning, we are shown that Sophie is vain and narcissistic, but seemed to genuinely want to be friends with Agatha. Agatha on the other hand, spent time with sophie because she had nothing better to do, and showed disdain towards Sophie often, only tolerating her presence. However, it's shown that it's actually the other way around. Agatha really enjoyed Sophie's company, as prissy as she was, and Sophie was only there for the good deed, to say she's friends with the witch girl for brownie points. And that is put into perspective with their kidnapping. Sophie has her bags packed, cookies on the windowsill, and she broke all the locks her dad put on the window to keep her safe. She was ready to leave as soon as possible, not caring about who she was leaving behind. Agatha didn't want Sophie to go, let alone to leave herself. The School Master takes only Sophie, and while she's complaining about the lack of fancy carriage and bidding a dramatic farewell to Gavaldon and her boring life, Agatha is pursuing her, so determined to not lose her only friend that the School Master doesn't even need to grab her. Sophie left her behind, and Agatha fought to bring her back out of the goodness of her heart. That places their contrast very early on, clearly showing who is really good and evil here. I'll jump to talking about the uniforms. The start of Sophie's villain arc was killing the Beast, but the start of Agatha's princess arc was just, starting to wear the uniform. She left behind her comforable black dresses (though notably kept the shoes) to blend in with the rest of the students and learn in classes, under the pretense that it was just until she found a way to get her and Sophie back home. The whole shock factor of Sophie and her surprising dresses and looks was that she was modifying the evil uniform, which generally students were only allowed to wear their uniforms, not anything else. How she stood out during that arc was the fact that she was adding sequins and high heels, straight up making kimonos and gowns, dying her hair and cutting it even shorter than the Beast did, all with the backdrop of the rest of the students in the same drab black clothes. This became downplayed in the movie with the simple fact that they let the students wear whatever they wanted, making the people who gawked at her (including Tedros!!!) look even more shallow than they already were. Let's not forget about one of my favorite details that had no reason to be cut: the bridge. In the movie, Agatha decided to go to the school for evil, steeled her nerves, and just waltzed across the bridge with no interference. Just left through the front door and walked across. In the book, the bridge was a mystery. It was down in the mist where most couldn't see it, below the schools. You can get a clear image of what I'm talking about just by looking at the non-movie version of the book cover. The only way to reach it was by going through a portal usually situated in a pool of water, and even if you reached it there's another barrier, quite literally. There's an invisible wall on the bridge that you won't know where it is until you run into it. Once you do, it'll become a mirror, and your reflection will tell you to get your behind back to the school where you belong. Specifically saying 'Good with Good, Evil with Evil, go back to your tower before there's upheval', then 'girls with girls, boys with boys' and 'old with old, new with new', the latter two with their own respective rhymes. What made this a fun detail was that every time Agatha went across the bridge (at least once per book, the first three anyways), she would riddle out a way to twist the mirror's words around and eventually have it believe she belongs on the other side of the bridge, and therefore it would disappear and let her pass freely, without raising any alarms. Don't get me started on how they handled Lesso's, Dovey's and Sader's characters. When the school master appeared at orientation, I thought he was Sader, because no way would they cut such an important character! But no. Lesso was never in love with the school master. That was Evelyn. Lesso personally torturing Sophie was so stupid and out of place and ugghhh. And I'll just say, Dovey... what happened? I don't want to rant about every little gripe I have with the movie, I could probably make my own youtube video if I did, but I will talk about something that I just wish the movie got right above all else, and that was Wish Fish. Not just the scene at the lake, but the chapter. Probably my favorite chapter in the ENTIRE series was Wish Fish, for lots of reasons. The chapter was mainly there to establish two things for Agatha. 1) that she had the power to grant wishes, 2) that every animal and beast at the school was a 'failed' student. All the other girls in her animal communication class are wishing for boys they haven't even spoken to once. Agatha doesn't want a prince, she wants to get home with Sophie. But she probably shouldn't ask the fish for that, so her mind starts racing, until it settles on... giving. Using the wish the fish are granting her for someone besides herself. And that someone is the fish themselves. They transform into a young Good student, who softly thanks her, says it's been over a hundred years. Then she dies, scattering into lights and fading away. Far in the distance, Agatha starts hearing distant cries. The voices of hundreds of animals, screaming, calling, begging her to free them too. The only thing Agatha can do is run, into the school, up the towers, onto the roof, the mass of frantic creatures stampeding the halls of the school in their efforts to reach her. Alone among the gardens, Agatha is assaulted by the fire of a gargoyle, who sets the greenery ablaze and makes a mad dive for Agatha. She's ready to die, but the gargoyle stops in front of her. This guardian who had previously frightened Agatha, nearly killed her itself, pleads with her. And Agatha obliges. She takes its hand, granting its wish, and it starts shifting to the form of a young boy. Another child wronged by the school and who only wants to be free from the place. But before the transformation is complete, Tedros appears from the flames, indiscriminately swings his sword, and slices off the boy's head. He says Agatha should be grateful, that he saved her from a monster and she should fall at his feet, but she gets angry. So angry. She yells at him, "HE WAS A BOY! A LITTLE BOY!" but Tedros refuses to look upon her tear-stained face with compassion, only with surprise that there is one girl in the school who doesn't want to kiss him. The movie's version of this was bad, for more reasons than just, they didn't follow what happened in the book. The inclusion of that one character (forgot his name again lol) who turned into the Stymph wasn't a good choice. Irrelevant, but I got death flags as soon as his first scene arrived. But what's worse is that the portrayal was all wrong. Agatha witnesses him fail, but how did he fail exactly? Agatha knows it's him when he's a Stymph, but how? Stymphs don't attack Evers anyways, so the whole scene just felt wrong. Plus, from my PoV, the impact of the revelation didn't come from an established character being mutilated and killed. It came from the fact that we DIDN'T know them. That they were nameless, faceless children, whose only connection with the protagonists is that they also went to the school, they were simply less fortunate. We will never, ever know them. And that's the point. I could probably add more, but I think this is good for now. God knows I'll be back to edit this past typos at some point. Hi what's up, I'm a teenager, I'm an author, and I automatically analyze things when I consume them but have no outlet to express my thoughts. I should probably start a review channel or something. Some books have been ruined for me, some become elevated, but the fact remains I think about things a lot more than I probably should. If you've read this far, have a nice rest of your day/night and thank you.
Thanks for this, when I was little and this book came out I wanted to read it so I started to read it but since I was like 9 and I couldn't understand what the book was talking about I put it down. I stopped around page 20, I recently just watched this movie and I half to say I liked it but after reading your long response I see why you would be upset, also I don't understand why they made Agatha black nothing against race here but if they are supposedly sisters why is one black and one white why can't they both be white like depicted in the book. thanks for this I might actually start reading the 2nd book even though I haven't read the 1st I know what happens and I don't want to read it again!
This is the longest comment I've ever read, but it was worth it! I haven't actually watched the movie so I have nothing to add but still cool to see ur opinion.
@@eliscko8968 The movie doesn't follow the book's plot properly, like at all. They removed a lot more details than what I outlined here and added things that didn't previously exist to fill those gaps. I encourage you to read the first book because watching the movie is not a replacement by a long shot. Also a forewarning: while it's nice that the story gets a continuation, none of the subsequent books are as good as the first, and they get more trashy as the series continues.
I got so pissed when I found out they cut the circus of talents like that's arguably the whole point of the book?? Everything is building up to that point and like AH
rafal and rhian arent revealed until book 3! the movie killed all hopes of a second movie by introducing them, especially introducing rafal as the main villain! we dont know that! we dont know what side the school master is on!
Right and him being unmasked?? Wtf. And how they CLEARLY🙄 color coded for us which ones the good brother and which ones the evil brother. It was supposed to be a whole plot twist!! Dont even start me with that cringe ass "ive made good characters do evil things..." line💀 the moral in the book was that love and goodness prevails against anything even if rafal tried to make everyone evil. People aren't 100% good or evil is a good message too but that's not what the book was going for
@@Lyssa16I checked the book again, and no, he does not. The reason why he tells Sophie is name is Rafal is because he thinks that her knowing his is necessary for them becoming closer. When Sophie asks for his brother's name, Rafal rejects answering because he doesn't think its necessary for her to know. We only get Rhian's name in a small add-on book (The Ever-Never Handbook) at the end when Prof. Sader (the ACTUAL history professor at SGE) says so in a FAQ section.
@@leechielourdes oh damn i thought he told her god i forgot how dark these books actually are currently rereading 😭😭 on a world without princes i’m here thinking how are they gonna do it in the movies without evelyn since without sader she don’t make sense and LITERALLY WHY DID THEY HAVE TO MAKE ANEMONE WHINE ABOUT HAVING USED TO BEING THE HEAD OF HISTORY
I love the book series so much. The movie changed a lot of things, and felt kind of like a new story. Obviously this was a little disappointing, but I still really enjoyed the movie, not necessarily as an adaptation but as it’s own story.
A little disappointing? When I found out about all the differences I was extremely disappointed. They changed so much that it’s practically a parody of the books
The movie is about the first book, but there were so many holes in the movie and they didn’t introduce the nemesis thing among others, properly. They were just thrown at us. ALSO, the trial by tale was SO DIDAPPOINTING?? Not to mention my favorite character, the blind teacher, was not even introduced. I’m heartbroken
NO BUT THE TRAIL BY TALE I WAS FUCKING READY FOR A DARK AND BLOODY BATTLE WHERE EVERYONE TRIES TO MURDER SOPHIE, and she’s gasping for air as if she’s drowning and utterly overwhelmed by the number of people against her as she’s barely crawling trying to survive as her throat is almost snapped from Anadil trying to kill her and psychologically tortured by the other dangers in the forest to the point where she can barely keep on living until Agatha fights her way into the trail, barely making it to her in time, and then disguises them in order to hide until they make it through the rest of the trail, terrified and huddled together as people scream around them. It’s horrifying and I’m SO mad they cut all that out!!!!! And the Tedros and Hester fight?!?!!! BROOOOOO 😱😱😱😱😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I’m SO mad the trail turned into JUST this love thing between Sophie and Tedros, instead of making it the true horrifying test it truly is (AND including Sophie and Tedros love thing 😊)
BRO WE MISSED OUT ON THE OP TEDROS AND HESTER FIGHT!! We missed Teddy climactic grasp at Hester’s scarf and pinning it to the ground, beating her after she stabs and tortures him like😖 😭😭
@@xie_19 I KNOW 😩 it would have been SO amazing! That Tedros vs Hester fight was EVERYTHING!! It was SO intense and alarming! I SO wish they put it in the film, or made the Trail even a tiny bit as scary and terrifying as it is in the books, especially psychologically like 😭😭 they has ALL the right pieces from the props to the actors and actresses, they just had to DO IT, but no AAAUGH *sigh* 😒
the trial by tale and the nemesis dreams were by far two of the most interesting concepts in the original book, but hey we had to fit in Rafael for some reason,? a character I forgot about before watching the movie.clearly the author had a favorite 🤦
it really pissed me off the stuff they left out,, AND how they didn't play into how Agatha was in the books. In the books she was described as "ugly" bc she didn't smile, didn't brush her hair and wore old clothing, didn't shower too often, but the actress is literally flawless and stunning it doesn't work...
I mention this in all my comments but LITERALLY!!! They did not try AT ALL to make Agatha look disgusting. So the kids bullying her genuinely just seemed like weirdos?? In the book she was described as dirty looking and wore black clothes, so it makes sense why the kids thought she was a witch. Sofia Wylie being pretty isn't a problem, but they couldve at least... tried to make her look gross in the way she dressed????
@@johannaelloso9418 fr! not only that but she was also outcast in other ways like being very antisocial and living in a fuckin graveyard and they just... forgot about that???
@@johannaelloso9418 I agree especially because Agatha is actually revealed to be quite pretty if she actually cleans herself up, she just doesn’t have confidence and that’s why she sees herself as ugly
the one development i missed for sure was when agatha made a wish to be beautiful, only to find out she was beautiful all along. that really spoke to me as a child about inner beauty; instead of changing who agatha was, she already had a unique beauty to herself and just needed to realize it. her entire arc in this story is very weak, kind of just sounding like a broken record with the "no one's truly good," though i understood what she's getting at. i feel like some things overall could have just ended up better, and i wish there were more subtle developments on both aggie and sophie's characters. they deserve sm love
HONESTLY!!!! and the way even though at that point they still hated each other when Agatha smiled at Tedros she took his breath away. It’s one of the most pivotal parts of the book and they completely eradicated it
You people have a term for everything huh? Queerbating isn’t a thing. Two sisters kissing on the lips isn’t romantic or having to do anything with the lgbtq
@@shaikha615 Who the fuck kisses their sister on the lips? That's just incest. If Agatha was a guy, would it be totally normal for him to kiss his sister on the lips? Nope that's weird and it's just as weird with two girls. Having them kiss on the lips only to later say they are sisters was an insane decision. If the intention was to show their platonic love be the true love that saves her then they should have had her kiss her on the forehead or cheek. A kiss on the lips is shorthand for romantic feelings in film, especially in this context. Maleficent and Frozen both had platonic/familial love save the day and neither of them had the characters kiss on the lips because that would have been weird af and it would've given the audience the wrong idea. They made a bad call. Don't blame the audience when the movie was sending mixed messages.
@@ohood1788 okay since clearly you’ve never read the books I’ll explain the reason behind the “kiss”. Good always thinks a princess will have her happy ending with a prince, whereas Sophie and Agatha they don’t need a prince’s kiss for a happy ending. And when everyone realizes this the girls on both good and evil will go against princes and have their own “femininity” awakening while the princes suffer. Also has nobody kissed family members on the lips? Just me? Okay.
This is a smaller detail, but I HATED the fact that they portrayed lesso as being in love with Rafal. Not only does this almost completely erase the VERY IMPORTANT character that is Evelyn sader, but it also ruins the whole lesso-dovey relationship. LITTERALY ANYONE who read the books could tell they were raging lesbians and extremely in love. And what was the point of erasing professer sader??? Like I know he died pretty soon but he was a mentor to Agatha and, again, erasing him meant erasing his sister who has a HUGE role later on in the books. Mostly mad about the lesbian erasure. I mean they did it to the coven as well?? Like it’s canon that anadil and Hester are together but I hic that they’re in a poly relationship with dot so……idk atp💀💀
They had to erase Evelyn she makes so sense without August so they merged her with Lesso but how does that make sense. Evelyn gave birth to Rhian and Japeth and Lesso gave birth to Aric… JAPETH AND ARIC WERE IN LOVE YOU MERGED THE WRONG TWO CHARACTERS. There is no way in hell they can continue this series properly it’s gonna become a whole new story more than the first one already was
I THOUGHT SOPHIE AND AGATHA WERE IN LOVE TOO! I only read the first and second books as a kid and had my little baby gay moment shipping them, and then found out years later that the third book revealed them to be SECRET TWINS????? They were never even described as looking alike, I was so shook upon learning
My biggest annoyance with the movie was the relationship between Agatha and Sophie. The build of their relationship from hating each other to being best friends while being pitted against each other was one of the best parts of the book!
Honestly what makes me more sad than anything regarding this film is that the author of the books is happy with how it turned out. They completely butchered a world you put all your heart and soul into, the movie comes out a shell of what made the books special, and you’re happy???
Just saw another comment stating that the user had met the author during one of his book signings and he himself stated he wasn't a fan with how characters like Agatha were handled and he's hoping to get the books turned into a series like w/ Percy Jackson
I saw the trailer for this movie and I was so excited like,” Yay it’s ever after high come to life.” I did like the movie enough to rewatch. But I think it was underwhelming compared to how the trailer makes it look. Your video actually points out some really good problems in the movie though. I’m gonna have to read the books. I think I’ll enjoy them more
By leaving out our favorite blind history teacher they also robbed us on the chance of having magic Braille talking books and I will not forgive them for that
Hot take: The school for good and evil movie had queerbaiting, maybe even the books too, but I was so young I don't even remember anything from it, I just remember seeing the author on instagram bragging about the kiss in a Reel, made me feel icky about it, idk
COMPLETELY agree, I read this book in the midst of my queer panic and honestly, though I adore it, it was frustrating. The queerbaiting is very prevalent and I hate it sm
also in the third book with tedros almost kissing filip, everyone was like "oH iTs CaUsE iTs ThE mAlE vErSiOn Of SoPhIe" no it's not. they look similar but filip was much more open and real than sophie ever was. in conclusion they should've made tedros bi
This is why I *always* watch the movie before the book. I can enjoy the movie, without knowing what's missing and changed, then read the book and *love it even more*, rather than just hating the movie
I was rereading the first book and basically, I was shipping Sophie and Agatha, andddddd thennn I saw this video and I was like “Wait” “I FORGOT THEY WERE SISTERS OMGGGGG”
I liked it fine for what it was, but then after hearing how different the books are, it really made me want to check out that series. It seems like all the things I like were done even better in the books, and all the things I didnt are at least handled differently or given more time to develop
I feel like their personalities in the film were so dimmed down. Like Sophie in the books is obviously very narcissistic and really does put herself before others. I don’t think book Sophie would have ever defended Agatha from some creepy dude by hitting him, because she just wouldn’t have cared enough unless it was an opportunity for her to seem “good” (at least not Sophie from the first book). While I thought Sofia Wylie was adorable as Agatha, the writers really cut off all of the important parts of her. Apart from film Agatha being very beautiful, they seemingly erased her insecurities and cut out the makeover scene completely (and as someone who originally read this book at age 11, that scene was so powerful and beautiful and really connected with me) not only did it take away from her character development into more princessy Agatha, it also cut her personality short because a lot of Agatha’s quirky and weird traits stem from her insecurities and “if they’re going to hate me I might as well play into it” mindset. Agatha uses her edginess and wit and rudeness as a way to protect herself. Film Agatha was much more sweet and showed people her more caring and sensitive side regardless of how people saw her, but by skipping forward on all of that, her character had no room for development at all. Same with Sophie who showed that she was willing to protect Agatha from the beginning, also cutting off the development she endures in the book. I think what really irked me about the writing of this film was the lack of a meaningful relationship between the two because of the lack of development. Obviously they couldn’t fit in everything, but in the film both of their characters felt flat and static, all of the development they went though was inconsequential and didn’t mean anything on a deeper level. I feel like them being childhood besties in the film also kind of hindered this, because it gave them a reason to want to protect one another where as book Sophie and Agatha have only been friends for a few months (at most, it might have been less). Sophie doesn’t care about Agatha or anyone at the start of the book and has to learn how to care about them as she progresses. Agatha on the other hand, does care about Sophie despite her originally wanting nothing to do with her. Book Agatha wouldn’t hesitate to help anyone despite rather she likes them or not while book Sophie would have probably let Agatha die if it served her best interests. It’s what ultimately determines them as good or evil, but by giving them an established history, it blurs that line and undermines all of their motives from the book. Sorry, that’s just my little rant about it lol
I read a lot of "This should have been a show" Yeah soman second that, but the film contract was signed in 2013 with twilight and panem and Harry Potter as the biggest hits, with show being mostly forgotten after short times. Thats why they signed a movie contract and not for a series. And I think Netflix did not want to change the contract or smth like that
9:11 I hate how they didn’t add him because *spoiler alert* Even though he dies in the first book that man still helps push the story along and is mentioned is EVERY BOOK like besides the main characters he like super important for a lot of things in my opinion.
I watched the movie before reading the book (I finally read it about a month ago, I loved it and I’m getting the rest of the series for Christmas). The movie was sorta enjoyable, since I like the concept. But the book was so much better! Like I could not stop reading it once I picked it up. I feel like they should have done like a tv show instead. That seems easier to include all the things they didn’t and it would probably be better
The fact that professor Sandler (was that his name?) wasn’t in there probably triggered me the most, especially, since the next books focus on his sister and her children, so they become a major part in the story, and I don’t really know how they want to introduce them, because, just putting another random woman in there wouldn’t make to much sense!
I totally agree. Without him, there’s no Evelyn and without Evelyn , there’s no Rhian and Japeth. He influenced so much of the story that taking him out is a huge mistake
oh man Agatha failing most classes while trying really hard while sophie acing every class when trying to show shes good was so good in the book 😭😭 (thats how i remember it anyway)
I think your explanation is very accurate. I've seen one of the deleted scenes was when Professor Dovey does the spell on Agatha to show that everyone is beautiful and stuff but and I don't understand why it was deleted. Maybe in one of your next videos you could share your thoughts on that and also Sophie & Hort's relationship (in my opinion, it's a great ship).
So was Agatha black in the books? Cause I was so confused watching this movie where everyone treated Agatha as if she was obviously ugly/evil even though she was gorgeous and it ended up feeling like everyone was just being racist towards her 😅. She literally fit right in with all the princesses otherwise so…
No....she was white, her appearance in the movie is so much different from the books, also her personality. As a book reader, this was one of the red flags from the movie, I recommend reading the books, they're next level 👌
In the books Agatha is described as deathly pale, but it could be ok for her to be of colored skin if they showed some of the side character princes who are of colored skin. So you know it doesn’t seem racist that the girl who is ment to be conventionally ugly is black, but I didn’t watch the movie lol!
@@HexStaria I struggle to believe they were being intentionally racist, seeing as the author is poc, but they clearly didn't consider these implications. Nothing sets Agatha apart from the other princesses besides her skin and coily hair... intentional or not that sends a message
Agatha was definitely white in the books. I say this because the covers of the books literally have her on them and she’s white in them lol. Personally I don’t mind her being race swapped I just wish she was more goth and vicious like she was in the books
As a die-hard SGE fan, let me just say…. There’s no School for Good and Evil movie in Ba Sing Se. Not anymore. Not after this. God, I hate Soman SO MUCH RIGHT NOW I-
Also the author Soman Chainani did want these changes because he didn’t want the movie to be a basic retelling of the book that’s probably what they’re gonna do when they make the sequel if they’re going to
I can respect that, but at the same time he completely ignored the fact that a new audience is being introduced to this world. The movie rushes into all this action and leaves behind the stuff that could be seen as "basic retelling" that's actually crucial: characterization, world building, and pacing are all ignored as he shoved all his concepts into an hour and a half time slot.
You know what really pissed me off was agatha kissing tedros in the ending of the movie. Legit the whole point of the next book revolves around agatha kissing tedros to have true happy ending.
FOR REAL!!! The first time they kiss is the end of the second book and it’s a high stakes moment where they finally choose to commit to each other forever and they just throw that one in at the end like come on
i think that sophie in the movie was mostly just very vain. she wanted to be seen as good, not actually be good. she was all about appearances and being portrayed in a certain light. so i think the murder in the film for her when she was tortured for this level of stakes would have been, pardon the pun, overkill. 😂
Tbh the effects, props, backgrounds and costumes were such high quality so I was happy with that but the one thing that really annoyed me for some reason was the fact Sader wasn’t in there!! He was one of my favourite character in the books!
one detail they changed that i think was like really funny was agathas morgification creature of choice being a cockroach in the books while in the movies she’s a dove… i feel like that alone cements that she really doesn’t care about appearances much without playing into the whole not like other girls thing, because in her eyes if she saw a roach she probably wouldn’t care but if any of the Evers (and some Nevers) saw one they’d immediately kill it not even factoring in that it might be a student. i understand for movie purposes how hard it’d be to keep track of her as a relatively small bug but they could of easily made her a crow or any other “evil”/“ugly” flying animal!! it just makes me laugh that someone missed the point that bad tbh (also kinda sad we didn’t get to see sophies fabulous pink fox but whatever)
I have still yet to read the book series, and I can confirm, without the knowledge of the books, it's not a bad watch, definitely a little confusing, but not bad. But from what I've heard that happens in the book I can already feel the book is much better (definitely gonna need to find them and read for myself)
Im re-reading the book and I forgot that on the 6TH PAGE it say "Why are you friends with the witch?" said Radley. "She's not a witch." "She has no friends and she's queer. That makes her a witch." LIKE GODDAMN U DIDNT HAVE TO CALL OUT MY GIRL AGATHA LIKE THAT😭😭😭
the books sound reallly good! surprised Netflix didn't go the darker book route considering all the other dark things they've been coming out with lately.
0:55 lol exactly my same thoughts 😂 My only guess is maybe it was supposed to be a YA but the publisher wanted it to be Middle grade book maybe?? Idk lol but yea
I don't understand why this movie made the choices it did if it knew it was getting a sequel. A lot of the changes made from book to movie here only work if the movie is a stand alone film. Like, if this is a stand alone film, yeah it sucks to cut August, but we have to keep the movie a manageable length and he doesn't *need* to be there. But if you're anticipating needing to adapt the second book, then August has to be in this movie. If this is a stand alone then, okay sure Sophie can be a halfway decent person and the moral can be we're all human. But if this is a series then Sophie needs to actually be a bad person.
I didn't read the book but I watched the movie, and even as someone who had no foreknowledge of how things should have been, the scene with Bird Gregor just felt kinda hollow. We didn't see a huge change in Tedros' personality after learning what he had done and yeah it had an affect on Agatha but it felt like the affect was about the same as the wish fish revelation, so it really didn't feel necessary.
The town wasn’t a wear of the school until the second book when Sophie and Agatha returned. Until then they thought their children were just kidnapped and killed.
Funny thing, I read all the books and the only ship I ship is Sophie and Hort and they grew on me in the end. But I am also not a fan of a too messy relationship so thats probably my pet peef with tegatha. Because they constantly fight im the 3-6 book. About the same thing all the time. It was interessting in the 3rd book but afterwards I got a little tired of it so thats probably because I fell out of love with the couple.
I watched the movie recently with a friend and decided to re-read the book, cause I felt something was wrong and..., well, turns out everything was wrong! I really loved the first 3 books as a child, and seeing now the terrible job the movie did, it just makes me sad, cause >this< will be the new generation's introduction to the series The thing that made me angrier is the lack of development of Agatha's character in the movie. She was always my favorite in the books, I cried everytime seeing her accepting herself as a princess and accepting that she does like all that the stuff - the school, Tedros, the pink uniform, the classes... Also, them >deciding< on going back annoyed me so much, cause like, them just disappearing in the books is a big part on what made the school the way it was in book 2, and they just took that off
My BFF and I watched the Netflix movie on a lark and had a great time. We were laughing hysterically and coming up with running jokes the whole time. It’s definitely one of those movies that’s best watched with unruly, sarcastic friends.
finallyyyyy I was really crushed with not only the casting of Agatha (I was able to relate how she wasn't confident and her overall demeanor cuz I was.. still am ... really pale .. like almost sickly pale ... and how she's not confident about her looks) ....... but also because of how they changed Sophieeee I loooved how she transformed and also how complex she was but she became meh in the movie .... I LOOOVED everything about the books and know it by heart ..everything in the movie just disappointed me .. I WAS REALLY EXCITED FOR THE MOVIE but lo and behoold .. a meh
For me, I love how Agatha and Tedros had like a Kate and Antony from Bridgerton relationship in the books and the movie really didn’t do that and let it build up
I actually really liked the movie. It's been ages since I read the books. I was probably around 11 or 12 when I read them and I am 20 now. Since I was very rusty on the story, I went in with a new perspective. I used to be one of those people who got angry when even one thing from the book was changed for the movie but I like people getting creative and doing new things. I write a lot of fanfiction so this comes from me rewriting my fave stories all the time. As long as the movie is good, the characters are memorable, and there's a powerful theme, it's good. Also Sophie's costumes were badass! Her character arc gave me Cruella vibes.
I don't ubderstand the grades here, because as much as i remember, in the book you needed to get a Fail three times IN A ROW, not three times IN GENERAL, to get expelled, plus there were grades from 1 to... 20, as i remember, so at least trying was enough for the most of the students to get a grade higher than Fail, and getting three Fails in a row was specifically said to be very rare. Here it was said you just need to get "three fails", means you probably just need to get them in general, which is... just ridiculous. Look at how easy teachers are ready to give student a Fail for not smiling well enough, for falling from the horse you tried to ride for the first time in your life, for fainting from uncontrollable phobia. If the Fails needed to be three in a row to get a student expelled - it would be more understandable as motivation in a form of "get better or you will be expelled", which is cruel, but not ridiculous. Here you can get expelled on your basically first day of the school just from being new to it, because again, there's no ranks from 1 to 20 to replace a Fail, and each Fail will still count even if you won't get it on your next class. So basically you need to survive five school years (as i remember, this schools has five years in the book) without getting a Fail three times in general, when you can easily get it due to not having enough skills yet or just being clumsy and fearful like Gregor. Is it even possibe? Not failing three times in five years? What school in a world gives you a step to the grave - which a Fail is in this movie - for not being good enough from the first try? It's a SCHOOL, it's supposed to TEACH you. So Gregor died because he was clumsy and fearful, and the school refused to teach him to be better at being a prince, which it was supposed to do, instead giving him three Fails and throwing him away? With such system half of the students would be expelled by the end of the first year! It's just ridiculous! Also, why Agatha did not get terrified when Gregor said her he got a second Fail? He had ONE FAIL LEFT before they'll turn him into something, and by that time she should have already seen that he fails too easily to not get it! I would get panicked for that boy!
So I don’t know if you know this but the author of the books actually wanted the movie to NOT be just a plain re-write but on a silver screen leading to some of the changes,s
@@johannaelloso9418 I wouldn't mind a bit of a rewrite, I just wish the rewriting made more sense and was actually good, you know? He has this amazing concept but it falls flat in the movie
Overall I would say that the movie missed the whole point of the 1st book - that appearance doesn't equal reality - which is present in almost every feature of the school/characters: Sophie looks beautiful so (almost) everyone thinks she's good, but she's actually evil - which is why her whole arc is accepting who she is on the inside Agatha looks ugly so (almost) everyone thinks she's evil, but she's actually good - which is why her whole arc is accepting who she is on the outside Tedros looks like a charming, fantastic prince but is actually really stupid, paranoid, impulsive, prejudiced and violent (the movie erased all his character flaws so that he's a love interest for Agatha rather than an actual character with motivations and a character arc) The fairies look good but are actually evil The wolves look evil but are actually good People think the School Master is good because that's what it looks like, but he's evil The School for Good looks lovely, but is actually an oppressive, outdated place with rigid gender stereotypes (which almost entirely missing from the movie/not pointed out AT ALL which made me angry) The School for Evil looks awful but is actually better than Good Grim (who was also missing, again I am angry) looks cute and lovely, but is very violent Beatrix looks good but is not very nice Agatha's speech about how Good isn't 'fair and lovely' it's 'honor and valor' was also really important for this Plus the only character who can see past this appearance vs reality thing is the BLIND one (who got axed from the movie) which was a nice detail Even Lady Lesso (who they implied was a Reader which made me again quite angry haha) and Professor Dovey fall for these appearances when they are supposed to be the intelligent, wise mentor characters (which the movie forgot) which sets up their arcs for the book (especially Dovey) Really I just think that this movie was VERY thematically different from the book
You know what, I’ve considered what you said and now that I think about it. I think that they really should have a made it into a series instead of a movie if they made it series they would have a had more time to progress the story and the characters which I personally think would be better for the series.
Oof I actually liked this movie, it was fun and cute. I saw some plots that I didn’t like (Tedros and Agatha’s romance) but everything was cool. The world building was interesting and I could see Sophie being the evil one. As she would say multiple times throughout the film Agatha doesn’t not belong at the good school.
But the whole point of it was that the audience was supposed to believe that Sophie was good and that Agatha was evil, until later. And she wasn't saying that to be mean because in their world, they have these specific ideals about what "good" people are and what "bad" people are, so I wouldn't say that believing Agatha is evil makes her evil. Because that's how everyone in their world was conditioned to believe.
@@johannaelloso9418 well, I mean I interpreted it different, Sophie did seem like somebody that’s manipulative. Saying how her friend isn’t the good one. that’s not a good friend. Plus I haven’t read the books, so I have no none of the same reservations that most people in this comment section did.
I listened to the books during work, after I watched the movie, and I LOVED the first book, the second book was weird, and I couldn't finish the third. In the movie, I wish they would have showed us the exercises, the rankings and the morphing into animals
I loved the books I made it to like half way through the 4 before I stopped reading the series but honestly I’m so sad that the removed the groom room scene with Agatha’s character cause that was my favorite self realization scene like ever I hated the movie but I loved the aesthetics of it but the plot was hot garbage but the toxic remix was worth watching it. But whole nemesis bomb was weird cause in the book it had a build up with the nemesis dreams and idk I have a lot of bones to pick with the movie I hope they don’t waste money on a second one but there’s 3 kissing booths sooo
For me there where to may characters and not the same level of development in everyone so they ended up being just caricatures of themselves: Tedros, Beatrix and her minions... I personally also didn't like how Miss Dovey was portrayed but...okey and also Agatha, Sofía is to beautiful!!! And giving her unruly curly hair doesn't makes it less obvious and the point of Agatha is that her beauty wasn't so obvious from the begging!!!
This was my favourite book as a child, I had all the books and I ordered the Ever Never Handbook as soon as it came out. I loved the book because of it's darker contents, I was like 11 when I read it. The movie was terrible, I really didn't like, none of the characters were interesting and everything was too rushed. Also I thought the school master was professor Sader, and was very sad when he was not. The Evil School master was pretending to be the good one so everyone was tricked!
When I first watched movie in Netflix, I didn’t know it was a book series. I liked it, but I hated the ending. because like why fall in love with a guy you barely know and killed someone and I kind of hated her friend for not care about her best friend intel like the very end or the very beginning it just didn’t make any sense to me at all . I also never cared for the prince because he was with like three different girls two being the main characters and one other rich girl in good school and his development sucked in opinion. i’ll be honest I like Agatha with Gregor I know he wasn’t in the book at all but they had great chemist
I agree with everything and I would add that they distroyed the coven characters. Hester got dulled down and had no character development, dot was not important and Anadil could not exist and it would make no difference.
i think its a good movie if it was completely unrelated to the book, but knowing it is so much more fleshed out in the book makes the movie pale considerably.
I enjoyed the movie anyways, I read some of the books I don't remember everything about it however what I do mostly remember about the books is it keeps you intrigued mainly because of the Mystery in the novels which I wasn't feeling that in the movie compared to harry potter, I also feel like they could've took this movie seriously without making it cheesy. Lastly even though this is promoted by netflix, I think they could've spent more time with the cgi or visual effects cause it was hit or miss throughout the whole movie.
In the books Sophie literally befriended Agatha just to do a good deed and be accepted into the School of Good. It is a big part of their relationship and who she is, showing since the beginning why she is put in the School of Evil
Yeah!
ugh that was so good, i could literally see it happening and the movie is probably so different than how i imagined everything happened so i’m glad i can’t watch it
guys this sentence makes no grammatical sense, it’s just gibberish why so man likes✋😭
Yep
@@fckmylife4093 the movie is totally different but I still enjoyed it
aah this makes sense
They should've made it into a show instead of a movie. It will also help people who haven't read the books relate and bond more with the characters and given the changes it would've made a better build up for example with Gregor and it's demise
Yes!
Yes I agree. There is just simply too much plot that was lost trying to fit it into the length of a film. Plus there are too many characters as well so that the film doesn't give you enough time to explore them, not just with the main characters but also other characters like Dot, Anadill, Hester, Hort and even the other boys of the school for good. Makes it hard for those who haven't read the books to really connect with them.
@@jadefoster2224 exactly, for example, Hort's frog pj appears for just 2 seconds in the movie, in the cafeteria and basically, no one realized that
I do agree that it should be a show instead of a movie because there are parts that the movie didn't cover. Like Tedros true love is Agatha, him choosing her over and over again rather than them casually talking. And completely changing there chemistry like literally Tedros hates Agatha because she's a witch but after the trial by tale (Agatha saving Tedros) he starts seeing Agatha as Good. Also Sophie slowly accepting that she's Evil not Rafal manipulating her which sucks. This seems to shows that Sophie was just a victim of being manipulated to doing evil stuffs. I think if it were a show though the production may not be as grand as this.
Also the Lady Lesso taking Evelyn Sader role is weird and this affect the upcoming story (if they decide to do the Camelot Years trilogy)
They tried to do to Sofia Wylie the same thing WB did to Emma Watson in the 1st two HP. They gave them big unruly hair to make them look "less pretty", but it didn't work then and it doesn't work now, they're both serving.
Couldn't agree more, that was my personal issue with the the casting of Sofia. She is so pretty that it's simply impossible to hide it and say otherwise. Agatha's beauty wasn't supposed to be so obvious from the beginning XD
@@adisaster6338 They should've made her act more mean and nasty instead of "I don't wanna be here lmao but whatevs"
Possibly part of her real hair too like maybe cuz I’ve seen her hair this curly
@@adisaster6338 honestly i can get over the fact that movie agatha was already super pretty at the start (bc the point of the book was that agatha truly was beautiful all along, it's just her self-esteem). but book agatha started off as nasty, rude, and unlikable, which was understandable why the people of gavaldon expected her to get into evil school. movie agatha was just a gen-z teenager
@@misssteak1290 i feel like rather than being mean or nasty, she was blunt and sarcastic, since she was truly 100% good from the start. i like how in the books you could kind of tell that they were both where they belonged from how they acted, no matter where they thought they belonged.
I wish they made agatha more "agatha" instead of "I'm agatha, I'm not like other girls, I wear pants"
Also agatha should've been more MEAN AND VISCIOUS instead of just "ugh, I don't like it here, hmmph"
NO RIGHT THEY MADE HER SO CRINGEY PLS SHE WAS MORE THAN THAT 😭😭 same with the way they dressed her!!!! They didnt try at all to make her look like a villain
Yeah I didn’t really like that. Agatha was supposed to be like a goth scary and viciously mean and rude person. In the movie she’s more of a tomboyish spunky awkward girl
@@psyb0rgz447 idk if you read the books or not but shes actually not that mean in the books. you could say shes good because she has a kind heart but she just like goth stuff
naww
@@rescenary ?? I have read the books multiple times (thanks) and agatha ruthelessy insulted sophie 24/7 as well as made fun of her for liking fairytales. agatha was very mean.
This is why I always say the best way to adapt a book to the screen is by making a show which allows for more time to flesh everything out.
Its legit illogical sometimes to make it into a movie (unless its a short story then maybe thats manageable) Shows r meant to show of multiple aspects of stories and flesh out characters. They arent forced to cut off any plot points.
series of unfortunate events did this right
@@sapphicvampire8504 Like, the books are THICK thick, not like a YA novel with a huge font
There were MULTIPLE IMPACTFUL SCENES that were either watered down (Gregor, who the fuck) and outright DELETED
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i totally agree with the village not knowing the school exists- a huge plot line is sophie’s father trying to stop her from getting kidnapped and she is actively trying to be taken. also people get taken every 4 years, which makes sense, meaning that everyone is in the same year and when people graduate new people come in right away.
edit: also agatha’s house in the movie was adorable, definitely did not give the creepy vibes it was meant to. i would live there. i would not have lived in book agatha’s house.
Yeah, the village prepares to defend the children every four years. Like, the beginning of book two has everyone fawning over the girls who supposedly killed the School Master and broke the curse.
Actually the town had no clue about the school until book two. They just thought that if the children got kidnapped they were eaten by monsters or killed as they couldn’t leave the village and leaving one way just meant that you appeared on the other side of the town.
It’s in book1 Sophie’s father said they were searching for weeks but just got turned around by the forest.
@@thatpanfairy7176 No, I think they did have an idea of the school because of the storybooks. The books were engraved with the School for Good and Evil crest and even before that they started to recognize the children who got kidnapped in the storybooks. Before that were all their bear and kidnapping theories. So I think they did have some sort of idea of who was kidnapping children and where they were going, they just wanted to sensibly keep their children from being kidnapped.
@@pancakesarebetterthanwaffl3093 honestly that may be true there isn’t much for either honestly it does make more sense if they had some sort of clue however since it only seems to have happened 3 times with 3 year’s in between each one. However they do seem very confused on how their children are being kidnapped. Second thing I love your user name pancakes are better than waffles.
They also cut the best line at the end of the book which was 'Who needs a Prince in our fairytale?' which opens up the second book, A world without Princess PERFECTLY
EXACTLY
Agreed! And they sort of took away ‘Farewell, Gavaldon! Farewell, low ambition! Farewell, mediocrity-Agatha no!’ . That line was so entertaining! At least they had ‘The bird ate my shirt. Can I touch your hair?’
The “not like other girls” thing irked me on another level in this because the other girlies were literally raised and conditioned to be the way they are. Like, yeah, they suck, but they were driven to compete against each other to try to be the best. That atmosphere is going to create shallow mean girls.
ugh literally, when Tedros came up to Agatha and went like "ohh other princess' smile and bat their eyes at me...but you don't...which isn't boring" i was just suffering every second of it. It's a horrible trope and i thought we already demolished it in media uggghhh
@@kyutie3905 i know right? In the books Tedros DIDN'T like Agatha, because she WASN'T like other girls. She wasnt over the stars about him, she didnt try to get his attention, she didn't react positivly about him.
She made him doubt, which is why Tedros wrote off Agatha as a witch, a villain in his mind.
Having the evil brother show up and trick Sophia into becoming a witch really takes away her agency and it was a big thing watching the movie for me. like girlie is evil on her own she doesn't need my man being like "Agatha hates u blah blah blah". Shouldve kept Sader in, should've kept in the GOOSE SCENE, should've kept in OG trial by tale and the talent show bit. They should've kept all of that in and made a show
i couldn't shake the feeling that they did that to make sophie more likable. in the books sophie is so mean and awful, but she's ridiculous and funny and entertaining so we love her anyway. the writers/producers probably didn't have faith that the audience would be able to enjoy or root for a female main character that was so objectively bad, so they added this "corruption" by the school master and removed any responsibility for her evil actions. i can enjoy the movie as its own thing separate from the books, but that's something that disappointed me the most.
BRO THE GOOSE SCENE I AM SO MAD THEY KEPT IT OUT
i reread the first book recently in preparation for the movie, but seeing as they removed THAT much, idk if i want to anymore :(
@@-atlantis-6161 YES IT LITERALLY DEVASTATED ME WHEN I WAS WATCHING I think they replaced it with the fight scene with Hester BC they wanted more action in the movie and I hate it so much. That scene and the wish fish scene are the two scenes where we see the evil and good in Sophie and Aggie and getting rid of Sophie's felt like, once again, taking away her responsibility for her actions by making it seem like it's actually the school masters corruption. Also replacing a dark, scary scene with an action scene is very Hollywood.
@@martinachooffey1843 IK RIGHT? I REMEMBER THE GOOSE SCENE BEING MY FAVOURITE BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A PLOT TWIST. YOU REALLY THINK SOPHIE IS GOING TO SHOW HER TRUE BEAUTY AND IT’S JUST A MASSIVE ‘SIKE’ FROM THE AUTHOR AND I LOVED IT SO MUCH. ALSO THE FOX SCENE WAS GOOD ASWELL AND THEY DIDNT EVEN *THINK* OF PUTTING IT IN
I've been a fan of the book series for YEARS! This movie was so disappointing and underwhelming from what the trailer and hype suggested..
My sister was cackling as I became more and more disappointed as the movie went on
like
WHY DOES THIS FEEL LIKE IT'S IN 3X SPEED??? THIS SHOUL'DVE BEEN A NETFLIX SERIES!
Same! I knew when I saw the trailer I was up for disappointment! I don’t know if I should be happy that my reaction was justified 😂
I'm the books biggest fans, and I didn't hate it. Maybe I just built it up while watching with the anticipation, but I enjoyed it. And Sophie and Horts casting, in my opinion, was so perfect it made the movie
@@wormpirate Girl, every book fan of SGE thinks they are the biggest fan 🙂 it’s just THAT good of a series! I’m glad you enjoyed the film though! Don’t let people who didn’t like it down you liking it yourself! 🙂
I didn't hate it, I enjoyed it, but didn't quite enjoy it as SGE if that makes sense because it's so different, it feels more like an alternate universe ^^;;
I can’t believe Lydia from the Beetlejuice Musical was more Sophie than the actual Sophie from the movie and they were played by the same actress (I know she looks more like Agatha but hear me out: both are girls who learned to hate reality after their mothers died, felt invisible with their different mindsets and upsetted their families for having their heads in the clouds. Both are insensitive, impulsive and witty at times and were forced to marry creepy otherworldly beings. Plus Dead Mom fits Sophie so well-)
honstly i agree she dose look more like agatha and the girl who played agatha look much more like how i pictured sophie (aside form the fact shes not a blonde)
bruh big brain lol
Too many Sophies/Sofies...
I saw a picture of her online and i was like omg is this when Sophie got emo and dyed her hair black ?! 😍 but nope it wasn't that
FR
The wildest thing about this is that while the girls were in the village, Agatha's clothes looked ten times better than Sophie's 💀
NO FR SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE UGLY THATS WHY SHE GOT BULLIED BUT SHE LOOKS PRETTY NEAT?? And like everyone else pointed out, the only "messy" thing about her was her natural black hair 🤨??
Can we talk about how instead of “ugly” they went with “black with natural hair”?
That's the same thing I thought, when people was calling her witch in her village and saying that they didn't want people like she and her mother around I thought it was some kind of metaphor of racism or something...idk
ngl i was thinking that too. i wasn't a fan of all the unnecessary race swaps (the rest of the students were all racially n ethnically coded to be diverse in the books idk why they ignored the possibilities there) but the fact that there is no good reason to think Agatha's ugly makes it look like racism
See that’s what I thought, she is so pretty, and seems pretty normal to me, so idk why she’s thought of as a witch in the movie. I wish that they’d kept Agatha as white in the movies and casted someone who’s less conventionally attractive cause it just felt like a completely different movie. Like, I think the fact that they’re making more characters POC is great but Agatha is meant to be really pale, so it would’ve been better to make one of the other main characters POC instead.
@@idk_a_plant i actually didn't mind the race swaps since EVERYONE in the main cast was white. i think since the other students were described to be more diverse people forget that. i think it's not unintentional that the bullying seems more like racism since there are intersections between race and societal ideas of beauty, they just didn't take the time to explore that in the movie (which makes sense considering how rushed the pacing felt.) i think it's very interesting that people wished they just chose a non-conventionally attractive white person, and seem set in the idea that agatha just can't be black and embody the character and general look that was described in the book...
eh, i don’t think it’s that deep. they casted sofia bc of her acting ability
Honestly throughout the whole brother fight scenes I was laughing by how goofy it was despite it supposed to be this serious thing....I think???
In the books, the conflict between the two School Masters is more than a silly fight scene- it’s supposed to be a full-out *war*, with a shit ton of deaths happening, and with one masked School Master emerging from the conflict.
oh my god yall so like a month ago they released the sequel to the prequel where it detailed the war between the school master brothers that had been kept a secret since the first book and when i say it was a straight up fantasy war-
like even back when the movie released i couldnt believe they just took this backstory that was parroted for three books straight and made it this little fight between brothers instead of two sides of the woods rallying with either. i mean the book goes into more detail than what i just said and reveals a lot but yeah.
@@renoirrrI just FINISHED these books and it just makes the opening 'duel' funnier because now I'm like NONE OF THAT HAPPENED
@@suddenlycrows LMAO FR THO i’m a fan of the books for like almost 8 years now and the moment i saw that intro i was like ???? whats going awnnnn 😭😭
the real battle, if u consider the prequels canon books, is so different it might as well be a different series altogether
@@renoirrrI’ve read the prequels, it’s a full-on war, brother against brother, Good vs Evil. Each side had a massive army with at least a hundred people
they literally missed the whole point!! like sophie’s whole motivation was not to end up like her mother- this is stated sO many times throughout the entire series. sophie was afraid of being alone and unloved, and that’s what fueled her. agatha’s motivations are similar (she wants to have a friend) and sophie is all she cares about- NOT BEING BEAUTIFUL. LITERALLY AT ALL. until like the fourth book, she never really brings up her insecurities and actually emphasises the ridiculousness of beautiful = good. agatha is supposed to be a contradiction to the fairytale rule and they completely missed that in the movie. they made sophie’s character shallow, using her vanity as her motivation rather than her fear. i was actually so disappointed. also- why on earth did they bring raphal in like that?? like??? there was absolutely no reason to have him as such a main character. sophie’s transformation seems so much more excusable because of his involvement. like no- sophie IS evil, even if she doesnt like it. she wasn’t supposed to be controlled by raphal, and i hated that they took away her accountability because they wanted another romantic plotline which didnt even fit in with the other plotlines. overall, the movie was crowded and rushed, and i think they totally missed the whole message that soman was trying to send.
Yes!!! They COMPLETELY missed showing for every character what truly motivates them, for Sophie it is her fear regarding herself, for Agatha her insecurity, and Tedros his fear of ending up just like his parents. They are all very personal motivations that the book beautifully and brilliantly shows (and for Tedros it literally took ONE page to show it! And in the film could have literally been addressed in a 2 minute flashback) and yet they missed showing those motivations for each of them completely, and so they missed the mark on what these characters are like completely and either started with who the character BECOME LATER in the series (in regards to Sophie and Agatha) or get their character COMPLETELY backwards in the way they think (Tedros) it’s SO infuriating because it doesn’t give a proper representation of this book and these characters AT ALL. Especially regarding how in-depth they are written, especially later on, it’s all based on those initial motivations and reasons for why these characters act the way they act, so for them to COMPLETELY ruin that from the very beginning I fear they won’t be able to properly developing these characters like it was done in the books, especially if you can’t get their basic motivations and characterizations down from the beginning. It’s sad
exactly! she's supposed to be shallow, but not THAT shallow 💀
She was being controlled by him? I thought she was just being manipulated, but still in control of herself.
Of course, I only watched it once, and spent most of the runtime cracking jokes with my BFF
The plot about the girl wanted to avoid being like their mother seem to have been introduced in the second book, actually the movie show a flashback of Sophie and her mother where we see that she don't want to end like her and Rafal use her fear of being alone to corrupt her.
Yes! Sophie doesn’t want to end up like her mother, alone with no one to love, Agatha thinks she’s ugly and can’t be loved until she discovers she’s beautiful, and Tedros doesn’t want to repeat the mistakes his parents made. The movie didn’t show their motivations, taking away the depth in the process
I completely agree that the books should not be in the children’s section. The books are so incredibly complex and when I tried to read it as a younger child I didn’t like the books because I didn’t understand them properly. Then when I read them again later on they became my favourite book series and I love it
Exactly!! The complexity of the characters is what defines the series!! This is, first and foremost, a character driven story, so the fact that they got rid of the most important part of the books makes me SO mad! The characters are flat and not fleshed out, which they could have been with a few good backstory scenes, such as for Tedros, and the fact that they started Agatha and Sophie who they END UP being by book 3 instead of who they ARE in book 1, ruins any chance of character growth they could have had because they now have nowhere to go in terms of character development from the first three books. It’s infuriating because it is the characters growth, development, and complexity (a PERFECT nature vs nurture story) that makes this series SO good, and the fact that they fell flat on ALL of that in so many ways makes this such an unfaithful adaptation to the books. It’s honestly almost like a parody of the book (and when you think of it like that, it makes the movie infinitely more funnier to watch 😂😂) and so I watch it like that, because if I took it seriously or as a serious adaptation of the books, I just feel infuriatingly sad.
Damn I was like 11 when I fell in love with the series, the complexity was one of the reasons I loved it. It didn't treat the audience like a child and I loved that. I loved that none of the characters were as they seemed
oh, this explains why i could never get into the series when i was younger!! it always struck me as weird and i just couldnt really understand it, to me at a young age, it gave "flop". i guess i'll try reading the series again, thank you for pointing this out!!!
@@mystii8134 Yes!! Soman honestly is a perfect kids book author due to the fact that he never talks DOWN to kids but simply to them and treats them as equals, something kids notice! It’s SO important and that’s why I fell in love with him and his books as a kid also! Because he never treated us as kids, but as equals. And he reflected that in his writing and gave us depth he knew we could handle and don’t listen to adults that said we couldn’t! That’s why I’m so glad he wrote the books the way he did! He treated us fairly! It truly is a rarity in middle grade and children’s literature but I’m glad you appreciate it now and that you also got that as a kid! Because that’s how I felt too! It was such a wonderful feeling to feel as a child growing up! I felt that my intellect was respected!
@@Jaguar470 Exactly! At that time, a lot of the books in my primary school library were all ridiculously childish, even the ones for the year 5-6s. I picked up the book and didn't expect much but it blew my mind at how everything was deeper than normal, and that everyone was a much more complex character than all the other books I had read
Another scene from the book that wasn't good in the movie was the whole Agatha smiling a real smile in class. Like in the book it was honestly a big moment but because of the time limit for the movie they couldn't flesh that out well either. It honestly makes me sad because it's one of the scenes i actually remember well
Literally my favorite part of the book
8:40 so basically the school master in the movie was the evil brother but he was pretending to be the good brother. towards like the end of the movie they reveal that homie didn’t actually die and killed his brother instead. but everyone thought he was the good brother.
the school master also took over the role of the seer from the book who was like a father figure to agatha and i wish they had him in the movies
ALSO?? WASN'T HE SUPPOSED TO WEAR A MASK??
THE WHOLE MYSTERY OF WHICH TWIN WON WAS BECAUSE THE SCHOOL MASTER WORE A SILEVR MASK RIGHT???
AND DID THEY EVEN CALL HIM "RAFAL" IMMEDIATELY???
???????
@@lightdarkequivalent7143 YEAH
@@lightdarkequivalent7143 bro i wanted to see how the mask looked like in the movie sooo bad
No one was supposed to know if the School Master was Good or Evil, but everyone assumed he was Good cause that’s the side that was winning for 200 years straight. He also wore a mask (would have been so cool to see on screen)
No one called him Rafal in the beginning, he was known as the School Master until Sophie had that whole speech about telling her his name
I got to meet Soman during his most recent book tour and he himself is not the biggest fan of the movie, he said he wasn't a big fan of anything they did with Agatha character and design wise, and had a couple issues with the way they chose to interpret the plot. He did mention that he's hoping to get it renewed for a TV show, similar to what happened with Percy Jackson.
Really, that's weird? I follow him on tiktok, and I have never seen a video where he criticises the movie. He always promoted the movie and talked great pride about them, idk if he ever explained any disappointment about them on other social media platforms, so I can't argue with that.
@@chen-anime7952i mean it would look horrible for the author to shit talk an expensive netflix movie live action whilst he’s benefiting from this
Whew, that makes me feel better. I want this book series to be done right, I have a deep fondness for it that I don't have with other books, it deserves to be as popular as Harry Potter and Percy Jackson, I'm surprised it hasn't gone on mainstream yet, the series is incredible
I definitely thought it was going to be a tv show so I’m even more disappointed knowing now that it left out so much for Sophie. Also, an enemies to lovers plot would have been way better than whatever they did with Tedros (even more so if they hadn’t made Sophie and Agatha twins just to stop shippers).
They didn’t make Sophie and Agatha twins to stop the shipping… it was how their stories were connected from the very beginning their destiny was foretold centuries before they were born that’s been established from the first book. It was the whole if you’re not truly in love your essences don’t mix hence Agatha beautiful inside ugly outside and Sophie ugly inside beautiful outside due to Stefans true love actually being Honora and their mother using magic to force the conception
In the book I really liked how agatha sacrificed her good grades (saying to the teachers that she had the plague) just so she could help sophie with her work in the evil school, it shows just how much agatha wants to go back home.
Also, in the book, tedros had Excalibur, his father's sword, but he mostly used his training sword. I think it's because throughout the book he said that he didn't want to make the same mistakes that his father did.
I was so excited for the movie when it was first announced. The School for Good and Evil (only the first book) remains one of my favorite books ever. Unfortunately as more and more movie details were revealed to us, I became less and less enthusiastic to watch it. Finally, I sat down in front of the TV with my dad (who hasn't read the book) and a couple of friends (who have). My expectations were lower than the floor, I was fully prepared to be disappointed. This comment will probably be an entire essay but I am very upset pls bear with me.
I'll start off by saying that representation is very important in media, now more than ever, but so is the faithfulness of the adaption. Right off the bat, I didn't like that Agatha was played by a black girl. And this casting choice was revealed right after Annabeth Chase, whose actress I personally can't wait to see in action. My issue with SGE is that unlike Annabeth, Agatha's appearance is fully known by the viewer. Each book's cover illustration has her looks clearly defined, and in-book descriptions place tons of emphasis on how her hair is straight and unwashed, her skin pale and pasty, she even presented clear reasons why she always wore shapeless black (blends in well, easier to clean). With Sophia Wylie playing her, it only makes things easier for me to disconnect the movie from the book, because I go into adaptions to see the characters and story brought to life, not to see people who look completely different from the characters pretending to be them and making the plot happen.
Let me touch upon the girls' relationship in Gavaldon. From the beginning, we are shown that Sophie is vain and narcissistic, but seemed to genuinely want to be friends with Agatha. Agatha on the other hand, spent time with sophie because she had nothing better to do, and showed disdain towards Sophie often, only tolerating her presence. However, it's shown that it's actually the other way around. Agatha really enjoyed Sophie's company, as prissy as she was, and Sophie was only there for the good deed, to say she's friends with the witch girl for brownie points.
And that is put into perspective with their kidnapping.
Sophie has her bags packed, cookies on the windowsill, and she broke all the locks her dad put on the window to keep her safe. She was ready to leave as soon as possible, not caring about who she was leaving behind.
Agatha didn't want Sophie to go, let alone to leave herself.
The School Master takes only Sophie, and while she's complaining about the lack of fancy carriage and bidding a dramatic farewell to Gavaldon and her boring life, Agatha is pursuing her, so determined to not lose her only friend that the School Master doesn't even need to grab her. Sophie left her behind, and Agatha fought to bring her back out of the goodness of her heart. That places their contrast very early on, clearly showing who is really good and evil here.
I'll jump to talking about the uniforms. The start of Sophie's villain arc was killing the Beast, but the start of Agatha's princess arc was just, starting to wear the uniform. She left behind her comforable black dresses (though notably kept the shoes) to blend in with the rest of the students and learn in classes, under the pretense that it was just until she found a way to get her and Sophie back home.
The whole shock factor of Sophie and her surprising dresses and looks was that she was modifying the evil uniform, which generally students were only allowed to wear their uniforms, not anything else. How she stood out during that arc was the fact that she was adding sequins and high heels, straight up making kimonos and gowns, dying her hair and cutting it even shorter than the Beast did, all with the backdrop of the rest of the students in the same drab black clothes. This became downplayed in the movie with the simple fact that they let the students wear whatever they wanted, making the people who gawked at her (including Tedros!!!) look even more shallow than they already were.
Let's not forget about one of my favorite details that had no reason to be cut: the bridge.
In the movie, Agatha decided to go to the school for evil, steeled her nerves, and just waltzed across the bridge with no interference. Just left through the front door and walked across.
In the book, the bridge was a mystery. It was down in the mist where most couldn't see it, below the schools. You can get a clear image of what I'm talking about just by looking at the non-movie version of the book cover. The only way to reach it was by going through a portal usually situated in a pool of water, and even if you reached it there's another barrier, quite literally. There's an invisible wall on the bridge that you won't know where it is until you run into it. Once you do, it'll become a mirror, and your reflection will tell you to get your behind back to the school where you belong. Specifically saying 'Good with Good, Evil with Evil, go back to your tower before there's upheval', then 'girls with girls, boys with boys' and 'old with old, new with new', the latter two with their own respective rhymes.
What made this a fun detail was that every time Agatha went across the bridge (at least once per book, the first three anyways), she would riddle out a way to twist the mirror's words around and eventually have it believe she belongs on the other side of the bridge, and therefore it would disappear and let her pass freely, without raising any alarms.
Don't get me started on how they handled Lesso's, Dovey's and Sader's characters. When the school master appeared at orientation, I thought he was Sader, because no way would they cut such an important character! But no. Lesso was never in love with the school master. That was Evelyn. Lesso personally torturing Sophie was so stupid and out of place and ugghhh. And I'll just say, Dovey... what happened?
I don't want to rant about every little gripe I have with the movie, I could probably make my own youtube video if I did, but I will talk about something that I just wish the movie got right above all else, and that was Wish Fish.
Not just the scene at the lake, but the chapter. Probably my favorite chapter in the ENTIRE series was Wish Fish, for lots of reasons.
The chapter was mainly there to establish two things for Agatha. 1) that she had the power to grant wishes, 2) that every animal and beast at the school was a 'failed' student.
All the other girls in her animal communication class are wishing for boys they haven't even spoken to once. Agatha doesn't want a prince, she wants to get home with Sophie. But she probably shouldn't ask the fish for that, so her mind starts racing, until it settles on... giving. Using the wish the fish are granting her for someone besides herself. And that someone is the fish themselves. They transform into a young Good student, who softly thanks her, says it's been over a hundred years. Then she dies, scattering into lights and fading away.
Far in the distance, Agatha starts hearing distant cries. The voices of hundreds of animals, screaming, calling, begging her to free them too. The only thing Agatha can do is run, into the school, up the towers, onto the roof, the mass of frantic creatures stampeding the halls of the school in their efforts to reach her. Alone among the gardens, Agatha is assaulted by the fire of a gargoyle, who sets the greenery ablaze and makes a mad dive for Agatha. She's ready to die, but the gargoyle stops in front of her. This guardian who had previously frightened Agatha, nearly killed her itself, pleads with her. And Agatha obliges. She takes its hand, granting its wish, and it starts shifting to the form of a young boy. Another child wronged by the school and who only wants to be free from the place.
But before the transformation is complete, Tedros appears from the flames, indiscriminately swings his sword, and slices off the boy's head.
He says Agatha should be grateful, that he saved her from a monster and she should fall at his feet, but she gets angry. So angry. She yells at him, "HE WAS A BOY! A LITTLE BOY!" but Tedros refuses to look upon her tear-stained face with compassion, only with surprise that there is one girl in the school who doesn't want to kiss him.
The movie's version of this was bad, for more reasons than just, they didn't follow what happened in the book. The inclusion of that one character (forgot his name again lol) who turned into the Stymph wasn't a good choice. Irrelevant, but I got death flags as soon as his first scene arrived. But what's worse is that the portrayal was all wrong. Agatha witnesses him fail, but how did he fail exactly? Agatha knows it's him when he's a Stymph, but how? Stymphs don't attack Evers anyways, so the whole scene just felt wrong.
Plus, from my PoV, the impact of the revelation didn't come from an established character being mutilated and killed. It came from the fact that we DIDN'T know them. That they were nameless, faceless children, whose only connection with the protagonists is that they also went to the school, they were simply less fortunate. We will never, ever know them. And that's the point.
I could probably add more, but I think this is good for now. God knows I'll be back to edit this past typos at some point.
Hi what's up, I'm a teenager, I'm an author, and I automatically analyze things when I consume them but have no outlet to express my thoughts. I should probably start a review channel or something. Some books have been ruined for me, some become elevated, but the fact remains I think about things a lot more than I probably should.
If you've read this far, have a nice rest of your day/night and thank you.
Thanks for this, when I was little and this book came out I wanted to read it so I started to read it but since I was like 9 and I couldn't understand what the book was talking about I put it down. I stopped around page 20, I recently just watched this movie and I half to say I liked it but after reading your long response I see why you would be upset, also I don't understand why they made Agatha black nothing against race here but if they are supposedly sisters why is one black and one white why can't they both be white like depicted in the book. thanks for this I might actually start reading the 2nd book even though I haven't read the 1st I know what happens and I don't want to read it again!
This is the longest comment I've ever read, but it was worth it! I haven't actually watched the movie so I have nothing to add but still cool to see ur opinion.
@@eliscko8968 The movie doesn't follow the book's plot properly, like at all. They removed a lot more details than what I outlined here and added things that didn't previously exist to fill those gaps. I encourage you to read the first book because watching the movie is not a replacement by a long shot.
Also a forewarning: while it's nice that the story gets a continuation, none of the subsequent books are as good as the first, and they get more trashy as the series continues.
I got so pissed when I found out they cut the circus of talents like that's arguably the whole point of the book?? Everything is building up to that point and like AH
@@ever_flowing_styx698 Yeah and they hecked up the trial by tale too. At that point why continue making it.
rafal and rhian arent revealed until book 3! the movie killed all hopes of a second movie by introducing them, especially introducing rafal as the main villain! we dont know that! we dont know what side the school master is on!
Right and him being unmasked?? Wtf. And how they CLEARLY🙄 color coded for us which ones the good brother and which ones the evil brother. It was supposed to be a whole plot twist!! Dont even start me with that cringe ass "ive made good characters do evil things..." line💀 the moral in the book was that love and goodness prevails against anything even if rafal tried to make everyone evil. People aren't 100% good or evil is a good message too but that's not what the book was going for
Rhian's name isn't even revealed until book 4 :(
@@leechielourdesit’s book 3 because Sophie asks Rafal to tell her about his brother and he tells her his name
@@Lyssa16I checked the book again, and no, he does not. The reason why he tells Sophie is name is Rafal is because he thinks that her knowing his is necessary for them becoming closer. When Sophie asks for his brother's name, Rafal rejects answering because he doesn't think its necessary for her to know. We only get Rhian's name in a small add-on book (The Ever-Never Handbook) at the end when Prof. Sader (the ACTUAL history professor at SGE) says so in a FAQ section.
@@leechielourdes oh damn i thought he told her god i forgot how dark these books actually are currently rereading 😭😭 on a world without princes i’m here thinking how are they gonna do it in the movies without evelyn since without sader she don’t make sense and LITERALLY WHY DID THEY HAVE TO MAKE ANEMONE WHINE ABOUT HAVING USED TO BEING THE HEAD OF HISTORY
I love the book series so much. The movie changed a lot of things, and felt kind of like a new story. Obviously this was a little disappointing, but I still really enjoyed the movie, not necessarily as an adaptation but as it’s own story.
Yeah that’s a good way to look at it, I felt the same
A little disappointing? When I found out about all the differences I was extremely disappointed. They changed so much that it’s practically a parody of the books
The movie is about the first book, but there were so many holes in the movie and they didn’t introduce the nemesis thing among others, properly. They were just thrown at us. ALSO, the trial by tale was SO DIDAPPOINTING?? Not to mention my favorite character, the blind teacher, was not even introduced. I’m heartbroken
NO BUT THE TRAIL BY TALE I WAS FUCKING READY FOR A DARK AND BLOODY BATTLE WHERE EVERYONE TRIES TO MURDER SOPHIE, and she’s gasping for air as if she’s drowning and utterly overwhelmed by the number of people against her as she’s barely crawling trying to survive as her throat is almost snapped from Anadil trying to kill her and psychologically tortured by the other dangers in the forest to the point where she can barely keep on living until Agatha fights her way into the trail, barely making it to her in time, and then disguises them in order to hide until they make it through the rest of the trail, terrified and huddled together as people scream around them. It’s horrifying and I’m SO mad they cut all that out!!!!! And the Tedros and Hester fight?!?!!! BROOOOOO 😱😱😱😱😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I’m SO mad the trail turned into JUST this love thing between Sophie and Tedros, instead of making it the true horrifying test it truly is (AND including Sophie and Tedros love thing 😊)
BRO WE MISSED OUT ON THE OP TEDROS AND HESTER FIGHT!! We missed Teddy climactic grasp at Hester’s scarf and pinning it to the ground, beating her after she stabs and tortures him like😖 😭😭
@@Jaguar470 I WAS SO READY TO SEE HESTER FIGHTTTTT
@@xie_19 I KNOW 😩 it would have been SO amazing! That Tedros vs Hester fight was EVERYTHING!! It was SO intense and alarming! I SO wish they put it in the film, or made the Trail even a tiny bit as scary and terrifying as it is in the books, especially psychologically like 😭😭 they has ALL the right pieces from the props to the actors and actresses, they just had to DO IT, but no AAAUGH *sigh* 😒
the trial by tale and the nemesis dreams were by far two of the most interesting concepts in the original book, but hey we had to fit in Rafael for some reason,? a character I forgot about before watching the movie.clearly the author had a favorite 🤦
it really pissed me off the stuff they left out,, AND how they didn't play into how Agatha was in the books. In the books she was described as "ugly" bc she didn't smile, didn't brush her hair and wore old clothing, didn't shower too often, but the actress is literally flawless and stunning it doesn't work...
I mention this in all my comments but LITERALLY!!! They did not try AT ALL to make Agatha look disgusting. So the kids bullying her genuinely just seemed like weirdos?? In the book she was described as dirty looking and wore black clothes, so it makes sense why the kids thought she was a witch. Sofia Wylie being pretty isn't a problem, but they couldve at least... tried to make her look gross in the way she dressed????
@@johannaelloso9418 fr! not only that but she was also outcast in other ways like being very antisocial and living in a fuckin graveyard and they just... forgot about that???
absolutely!! she changes clothes and fits in with all the other princesses it was so distracting
@@johannaelloso9418 I agree especially because Agatha is actually revealed to be quite pretty if she actually cleans herself up, she just doesn’t have confidence and that’s why she sees herself as ugly
Ok I know I’m pretty late to a party but in my opinion they should have switched actresess for sophie and agatha.
the one development i missed for sure was when agatha made a wish to be beautiful, only to find out she was beautiful all along. that really spoke to me as a child about inner beauty; instead of changing who agatha was, she already had a unique beauty to herself and just needed to realize it. her entire arc in this story is very weak, kind of just sounding like a broken record with the "no one's truly good," though i understood what she's getting at. i feel like some things overall could have just ended up better, and i wish there were more subtle developments on both aggie and sophie's characters. they deserve sm love
HONESTLY!!!! and the way even though at that point they still hated each other when Agatha smiled at Tedros she took his breath away. It’s one of the most pivotal parts of the book and they completely eradicated it
ik this was a year ago, but they actually filmed that scene they just deleted it, you can find it I'm sure
I think making it live-action was a mistake. This book was a perfect animated movie material.
Yeah that would have been better
Yes! It also would be better as a series than a movie. Too much detail to cram in a movie
0:21 bro i thought they were gonna get together the whole time watching the movie.. i’ve never read the books, but THEN I FIGURE OUT THEY’RE SISTERS?
YEAH ITS UHHHHHHHH QUEERBAITING AT ITS WORST HONESTLY
You people have a term for everything huh? Queerbating isn’t a thing. Two sisters kissing on the lips isn’t romantic or having to do anything with the lgbtq
@@shaikha615 Who the fuck kisses their sister on the lips? That's just incest. If Agatha was a guy, would it be totally normal for him to kiss his sister on the lips? Nope that's weird and it's just as weird with two girls. Having them kiss on the lips only to later say they are sisters was an insane decision. If the intention was to show their platonic love be the true love that saves her then they should have had her kiss her on the forehead or cheek. A kiss on the lips is shorthand for romantic feelings in film, especially in this context. Maleficent and Frozen both had platonic/familial love save the day and neither of them had the characters kiss on the lips because that would have been weird af and it would've given the audience the wrong idea. They made a bad call. Don't blame the audience when the movie was sending mixed messages.
@@ohood1788 SAY IT LOUDER QUEEN
@@ohood1788 okay since clearly you’ve never read the books I’ll explain the reason behind the “kiss”. Good always thinks a princess will have her happy ending with a prince, whereas Sophie and Agatha they don’t need a prince’s kiss for a happy ending. And when everyone realizes this the girls on both good and evil will go against princes and have their own “femininity” awakening while the princes suffer. Also has nobody kissed family members on the lips? Just me? Okay.
One thing I can't get over is the death of the Beast.
Sophie kills Beast.
Sophie is a completely evil person.
This is a smaller detail, but I HATED the fact that they portrayed lesso as being in love with Rafal. Not only does this almost completely erase the VERY IMPORTANT character that is Evelyn sader, but it also ruins the whole lesso-dovey relationship. LITTERALY ANYONE who read the books could tell they were raging lesbians and extremely in love. And what was the point of erasing professer sader??? Like I know he died pretty soon but he was a mentor to Agatha and, again, erasing him meant erasing his sister who has a HUGE role later on in the books. Mostly mad about the lesbian erasure. I mean they did it to the coven as well?? Like it’s canon that anadil and Hester are together but I hic that they’re in a poly relationship with dot so……idk atp💀💀
Why would they be in a poly relationship?
They had to erase Evelyn she makes so sense without August so they merged her with Lesso but how does that make sense. Evelyn gave birth to Rhian and Japeth and Lesso gave birth to Aric… JAPETH AND ARIC WERE IN LOVE YOU MERGED THE WRONG TWO CHARACTERS. There is no way in hell they can continue this series properly it’s gonna become a whole new story more than the first one already was
sader is my favourite character alongside castor&pollux and NONE OF THEM WERE INCLUDED IN THE ADAPTATION
IT'S CANON?? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST IMPLIED
@@orteney. I wish Castor and Pollux were in the movie, they were some of the most ridiculous and entertaining characters in the books
I THOUGHT SOPHIE AND AGATHA WERE IN LOVE TOO! I only read the first and second books as a kid and had my little baby gay moment shipping them, and then found out years later that the third book revealed them to be SECRET TWINS????? They were never even described as looking alike, I was so shook upon learning
UGH i HATE IT. just like magical girl site 🙄 just let them be gay
They look different because Agatha had Vanessa’s original looks before she changed her appearance and Sophie had Stefan’s
My biggest annoyance with the movie was the relationship between Agatha and Sophie. The build of their relationship from hating each other to being best friends while being pitted against each other was one of the best parts of the book!
Yes! The book is based on their relationship, if they mess that up, the whole story collapses
Honestly what makes me more sad than anything regarding this film is that the author of the books is happy with how it turned out. They completely butchered a world you put all your heart and soul into, the movie comes out a shell of what made the books special, and you’re happy???
well he still wants people to watch it. Maybe this started as a passion project for him, but since 2013 it seems like profit is his main drive
Just saw another comment stating that the user had met the author during one of his book signings and he himself stated he wasn't a fan with how characters like Agatha were handled and he's hoping to get the books turned into a series like w/ Percy Jackson
I saw the trailer for this movie and I was so excited like,” Yay it’s ever after high come to life.” I did like the movie enough to rewatch. But I think it was underwhelming compared to how the trailer makes it look. Your video actually points out some really good problems in the movie though. I’m gonna have to read the books. I think I’ll enjoy them more
By leaving out our favorite blind history teacher they also robbed us on the chance of having magic Braille talking books and I will not forgive them for that
Hot take: The school for good and evil movie had queerbaiting, maybe even the books too, but I was so young I don't even remember anything from it, I just remember seeing the author on instagram bragging about the kiss in a Reel, made me feel icky about it, idk
COMPLETELY agree, I read this book in the midst of my queer panic and honestly, though I adore it, it was frustrating. The queerbaiting is very prevalent and I hate it sm
Still love the books, they were a huge part of tmy childhood, but damn like it was queerbaity as well
Weren't the girls young teens?
also in the third book with tedros almost kissing filip, everyone was like "oH iTs CaUsE iTs ThE mAlE vErSiOn Of SoPhIe" no it's not. they look similar but filip was much more open and real than sophie ever was.
in conclusion they should've made tedros bi
@@taco_boi1167 AGREED
This is why I *always* watch the movie before the book. I can enjoy the movie, without knowing what's missing and changed, then read the book and *love it even more*, rather than just hating the movie
I was rereading the first book and basically, I was shipping Sophie and Agatha, andddddd thennn
I saw this video and I was like
“Wait”
“I FORGOT THEY WERE SISTERS OMGGGGG”
I liked it fine for what it was, but then after hearing how different the books are, it really made me want to check out that series. It seems like all the things I like were done even better in the books, and all the things I didnt are at least handled differently or given more time to develop
i need an amanda and negative legend collab in my life like they make similar content and I feel like they would vibe yk
I feel like their personalities in the film were so dimmed down. Like Sophie in the books is obviously very narcissistic and really does put herself before others. I don’t think book Sophie would have ever defended Agatha from some creepy dude by hitting him, because she just wouldn’t have cared enough unless it was an opportunity for her to seem “good” (at least not Sophie from the first book). While I thought Sofia Wylie was adorable as Agatha, the writers really cut off all of the important parts of her. Apart from film Agatha being very beautiful, they seemingly erased her insecurities and cut out the makeover scene completely (and as someone who originally read this book at age 11, that scene was so powerful and beautiful and really connected with me) not only did it take away from her character development into more princessy Agatha, it also cut her personality short because a lot of Agatha’s quirky and weird traits stem from her insecurities and “if they’re going to hate me I might as well play into it” mindset. Agatha uses her edginess and wit and rudeness as a way to protect herself. Film Agatha was much more sweet and showed people her more caring and sensitive side regardless of how people saw her, but by skipping forward on all of that, her character had no room for development at all. Same with Sophie who showed that she was willing to protect Agatha from the beginning, also cutting off the development she endures in the book. I think what really irked me about the writing of this film was the lack of a meaningful relationship between the two because of the lack of development. Obviously they couldn’t fit in everything, but in the film both of their characters felt flat and static, all of the development they went though was inconsequential and didn’t mean anything on a deeper level. I feel like them being childhood besties in the film also kind of hindered this, because it gave them a reason to want to protect one another where as book Sophie and Agatha have only been friends for a few months (at most, it might have been less). Sophie doesn’t care about Agatha or anyone at the start of the book and has to learn how to care about them as she progresses. Agatha on the other hand, does care about Sophie despite her originally wanting nothing to do with her. Book Agatha wouldn’t hesitate to help anyone despite rather she likes them or not while book Sophie would have probably let Agatha die if it served her best interests. It’s what ultimately determines them as good or evil, but by giving them an established history, it blurs that line and undermines all of their motives from the book. Sorry, that’s just my little rant about it lol
I read a lot of "This should have been a show"
Yeah soman second that, but the film contract was signed in 2013 with twilight and panem and Harry Potter as the biggest hits, with show being mostly forgotten after short times.
Thats why they signed a movie contract and not for a series.
And I think Netflix did not want to change the contract or smth like that
When I saw it on Netflix there was a MOMENT of happiness, then I saw it was a movie and I knew,one of my favourite book series, was butchered
9:11 I hate how they didn’t add him because *spoiler alert*
Even though he dies in the first book that man still helps push the story along and is mentioned is EVERY BOOK like besides the main characters he like super important for a lot of things in my opinion.
I watched the movie before reading the book (I finally read it about a month ago, I loved it and I’m getting the rest of the series for Christmas).
The movie was sorta enjoyable, since I like the concept. But the book was so much better! Like I could not stop reading it once I picked it up. I feel like they should have done like a tv show instead. That seems easier to include all the things they didn’t and it would probably be better
seeing them get their powers was like seeing them all turn into ET
The fact that professor Sandler (was that his name?) wasn’t in there probably triggered me the most, especially, since the next books focus on his sister and her children, so they become a major part in the story, and I don’t really know how they want to introduce them, because, just putting another random woman in there wouldn’t make to much sense!
I totally agree. Without him, there’s no Evelyn and without Evelyn , there’s no Rhian and Japeth. He influenced so much of the story that taking him out is a huge mistake
oh man Agatha failing most classes while trying really hard while sophie acing every class when trying to show shes good was so good in the book 😭😭 (thats how i remember it anyway)
I think your explanation is very accurate. I've seen one of the deleted scenes was when Professor Dovey does the spell on Agatha to show that everyone is beautiful and stuff but and I don't understand why it was deleted. Maybe in one of your next videos you could share your thoughts on that and also Sophie & Hort's relationship (in my opinion, it's a great ship).
The whole series is amazing in the book but I’m extremely exited to see the series in movies form.
So was Agatha black in the books? Cause I was so confused watching this movie where everyone treated Agatha as if she was obviously ugly/evil even though she was gorgeous and it ended up feeling like everyone was just being racist towards her 😅. She literally fit right in with all the princesses otherwise so…
No....she was white, her appearance in the movie is so much different from the books, also her personality. As a book reader, this was one of the red flags from the movie, I recommend reading the books, they're next level 👌
It's also funny cause her description is deathly pale white, as in "sickly" pale
In the books Agatha is described as deathly pale, but it could be ok for her to be of colored skin if they showed some of the side character princes who are of colored skin. So you know it doesn’t seem racist that the girl who is ment to be conventionally ugly is black, but I didn’t watch the movie lol!
@@HexStaria I struggle to believe they were being intentionally racist, seeing as the author is poc, but they clearly didn't consider these implications. Nothing sets Agatha apart from the other princesses besides her skin and coily hair... intentional or not that sends a message
Agatha was definitely white in the books. I say this because the covers of the books literally have her on them and she’s white in them lol. Personally I don’t mind her being race swapped I just wish she was more goth and vicious like she was in the books
As a die-hard SGE fan, let me just say…. There’s no School for Good and Evil movie in Ba Sing Se. Not anymore. Not after this. God, I hate Soman SO MUCH RIGHT NOW I-
I heard he didn’t even see what the film was like until shortly before its release.
Also the author Soman Chainani did want these changes because he didn’t want the movie to be a basic retelling of the book that’s probably what they’re gonna do when they make the sequel if they’re going to
I can respect that, but at the same time he completely ignored the fact that a new audience is being introduced to this world.
The movie rushes into all this action and leaves behind the stuff that could be seen as "basic retelling" that's actually crucial: characterization, world building, and pacing are all ignored as he shoved all his concepts into an hour and a half time slot.
I cannot even explain how happy I am that you made a video about this movie after reading the book. A true hero
Most amazing books should have an animated TV show
This is so true esp for fantasy I feel like the animation medium works a lot better to show fantasical magic and action
It’s great because they could also keep character appearance accurate in animation
As my friend once said,
"Sometimes less is more, but in this case. . I believe more writing is needed."
You know what really pissed me off was agatha kissing tedros in the ending of the movie. Legit the whole point of the next book revolves around agatha kissing tedros to have true happy ending.
FOR REAL!!! The first time they kiss is the end of the second book and it’s a high stakes moment where they finally choose to commit to each other forever and they just throw that one in at the end like come on
i think that sophie in the movie was mostly just very vain. she wanted to be seen as good, not actually be good. she was all about appearances and being portrayed in a certain light. so i think the murder in the film for her when she was tortured for this level of stakes would have been, pardon the pun, overkill. 😂
Omg both Native Legend and you posted video's on good and evil today lmao YESSS
Tbh the effects, props, backgrounds and costumes were such high quality so I was happy with that but the one thing that really annoyed me for some reason was the fact Sader wasn’t in there!! He was one of my favourite character in the books!
All the visual stuff were super cool, but the actual plot was completely different from the book which isn’t something I was happy about
You are so right. A lot was lost in translation from book to screen.
one detail they changed that i think was like really funny was agathas morgification creature of choice being a cockroach in the books while in the movies she’s a dove…
i feel like that alone cements that she really doesn’t care about appearances much without playing into the whole not like other girls thing, because in her eyes if she saw a roach she probably wouldn’t care but if any of the Evers (and some Nevers) saw one they’d immediately kill it not even factoring in that it might be a student.
i understand for movie purposes how hard it’d be to keep track of her as a relatively small bug but they could of easily made her a crow or any other “evil”/“ugly” flying animal!! it just makes me laugh that someone missed the point that bad tbh
(also kinda sad we didn’t get to see sophies fabulous pink fox but whatever)
Although her animal of choice is a cockroach, in the Trial by Tale she’s a dove when she’s helping Sophie
I have still yet to read the book series, and I can confirm, without the knowledge of the books, it's not a bad watch, definitely a little confusing, but not bad. But from what I've heard that happens in the book I can already feel the book is much better (definitely gonna need to find them and read for myself)
Im re-reading the book and I forgot that on the 6TH PAGE it say
"Why are you friends with the witch?" said Radley.
"She's not a witch."
"She has no friends and she's queer. That makes her a witch."
LIKE GODDAMN U DIDNT HAVE TO CALL OUT MY GIRL AGATHA LIKE THAT😭😭😭
the books sound reallly good! surprised Netflix didn't go the darker book route considering all the other dark things they've been coming out with lately.
Oh please read the books! They’re amazing, I’ve read the first one multiple times over
I loved it. It's not like the books of course and some things weren't perfect but I really liked it, just like the books
0:55 lol exactly my same thoughts 😂 My only guess is maybe it was supposed to be a YA but the publisher wanted it to be Middle grade book maybe?? Idk lol but yea
I don't understand why this movie made the choices it did if it knew it was getting a sequel. A lot of the changes made from book to movie here only work if the movie is a stand alone film. Like, if this is a stand alone film, yeah it sucks to cut August, but we have to keep the movie a manageable length and he doesn't *need* to be there. But if you're anticipating needing to adapt the second book, then August has to be in this movie.
If this is a stand alone then, okay sure Sophie can be a halfway decent person and the moral can be we're all human. But if this is a series then Sophie needs to actually be a bad person.
beyond you being a good storyteller, I still don't know what I'm doing here 🥺💖💖 keep it up anyways ur great 💖💖
can we talk about how absolutely ridiculous the action was? it was so entertaining i loved it.
I didn't read the book but I watched the movie, and even as someone who had no foreknowledge of how things should have been, the scene with Bird Gregor just felt kinda hollow. We didn't see a huge change in Tedros' personality after learning what he had done and yeah it had an affect on Agatha but it felt like the affect was about the same as the wish fish revelation, so it really didn't feel necessary.
The town wasn’t a wear of the school until the second book when Sophie and Agatha returned. Until then they thought their children were just kidnapped and killed.
Funny thing, I read all the books and the only ship I ship is Sophie and Hort and they grew on me in the end.
But I am also not a fan of a too messy relationship so thats probably my pet peef with tegatha. Because they constantly fight im the 3-6 book. About the same thing all the time. It was interessting in the 3rd book but afterwards I got a little tired of it so thats probably because I fell out of love with the couple.
I watched the movie recently with a friend and decided to re-read the book, cause I felt something was wrong and..., well, turns out everything was wrong!
I really loved the first 3 books as a child, and seeing now the terrible job the movie did, it just makes me sad, cause >this< will be the new generation's introduction to the series
The thing that made me angrier is the lack of development of Agatha's character in the movie. She was always my favorite in the books, I cried everytime seeing her accepting herself as a princess and accepting that she does like all that the stuff - the school, Tedros, the pink uniform, the classes...
Also, them >deciding< on going back annoyed me so much, cause like, them just disappearing in the books is a big part on what made the school the way it was in book 2, and they just took that off
I was yelling the whole time at the movie then blacked out
Also gives me Percy Jackson movie vibes with me being heart broken
My BFF and I watched the Netflix movie on a lark and had a great time. We were laughing hysterically and coming up with running jokes the whole time.
It’s definitely one of those movies that’s best watched with unruly, sarcastic friends.
finallyyyyy I was really crushed with not only the casting of Agatha (I was able to relate how she wasn't confident and her overall demeanor cuz I was.. still am ... really pale .. like almost sickly pale ... and how she's not confident about her looks) ....... but also because of how they changed Sophieeee I loooved how she transformed and also how complex she was but she became meh in the movie .... I LOOOVED everything about the books and know it by heart ..everything in the movie just disappointed me .. I WAS REALLY EXCITED FOR THE MOVIE but lo and behoold .. a meh
For me, I love how Agatha and Tedros had like a Kate and Antony from Bridgerton relationship in the books and the movie really didn’t do that and let it build up
I actually really liked the movie. It's been ages since I read the books. I was probably around 11 or 12 when I read them and I am 20 now. Since I was very rusty on the story, I went in with a new perspective. I used to be one of those people who got angry when even one thing from the book was changed for the movie but I like people getting creative and doing new things. I write a lot of fanfiction so this comes from me rewriting my fave stories all the time. As long as the movie is good, the characters are memorable, and there's a powerful theme, it's good. Also Sophie's costumes were badass! Her character arc gave me Cruella vibes.
That music was taken straight out of the phenomenal movie podcast, Yeah it's that bad"!
The town knowing about the school becomes even more important in later books 🗿
I don't ubderstand the grades here, because as much as i remember, in the book you needed to get a Fail three times IN A ROW, not three times IN GENERAL, to get expelled, plus there were grades from 1 to... 20, as i remember, so at least trying was enough for the most of the students to get a grade higher than Fail, and getting three Fails in a row was specifically said to be very rare. Here it was said you just need to get "three fails", means you probably just need to get them in general, which is... just ridiculous. Look at how easy teachers are ready to give student a Fail for not smiling well enough, for falling from the horse you tried to ride for the first time in your life, for fainting from uncontrollable phobia. If the Fails needed to be three in a row to get a student expelled - it would be more understandable as motivation in a form of "get better or you will be expelled", which is cruel, but not ridiculous. Here you can get expelled on your basically first day of the school just from being new to it, because again, there's no ranks from 1 to 20 to replace a Fail, and each Fail will still count even if you won't get it on your next class. So basically you need to survive five school years (as i remember, this schools has five years in the book) without getting a Fail three times in general, when you can easily get it due to not having enough skills yet or just being clumsy and fearful like Gregor. Is it even possibe? Not failing three times in five years? What school in a world gives you a step to the grave - which a Fail is in this movie - for not being good enough from the first try? It's a SCHOOL, it's supposed to TEACH you. So Gregor died because he was clumsy and fearful, and the school refused to teach him to be better at being a prince, which it was supposed to do, instead giving him three Fails and throwing him away? With such system half of the students would be expelled by the end of the first year! It's just ridiculous!
Also, why Agatha did not get terrified when Gregor said her he got a second Fail? He had ONE FAIL LEFT before they'll turn him into something, and by that time she should have already seen that he fails too easily to not get it! I would get panicked for that boy!
So I don’t know if you know this but the author of the books actually wanted the movie to NOT be just a plain re-write but on a silver screen leading to some of the changes,s
He tried to rewrite his own story but THE ORIGINAL WAS GREAT!!! Did not have to try to rewrite it dude. I just wanted to see the book COME TO LIFE!!
@@johannaelloso9418 I wouldn't mind a bit of a rewrite, I just wish the rewriting made more sense and was actually good, you know? He has this amazing concept but it falls flat in the movie
Overall I would say that the movie missed the whole point of the 1st book - that appearance doesn't equal reality - which is present in almost every feature of the school/characters:
Sophie looks beautiful so (almost) everyone thinks she's good, but she's actually evil - which is why her whole arc is accepting who she is on the inside
Agatha looks ugly so (almost) everyone thinks she's evil, but she's actually good - which is why her whole arc is accepting who she is on the outside
Tedros looks like a charming, fantastic prince but is actually really stupid, paranoid, impulsive, prejudiced and violent (the movie erased all his character flaws so that he's a love interest for Agatha rather than an actual character with motivations and a character arc)
The fairies look good but are actually evil
The wolves look evil but are actually good
People think the School Master is good because that's what it looks like, but he's evil
The School for Good looks lovely, but is actually an oppressive, outdated place with rigid gender stereotypes (which almost entirely missing from the movie/not pointed out AT ALL which made me angry)
The School for Evil looks awful but is actually better than Good
Grim (who was also missing, again I am angry) looks cute and lovely, but is very violent
Beatrix looks good but is not very nice
Agatha's speech about how Good isn't 'fair and lovely' it's 'honor and valor' was also really important for this
Plus the only character who can see past this appearance vs reality thing is the BLIND one (who got axed from the movie) which was a nice detail
Even Lady Lesso (who they implied was a Reader which made me again quite angry haha) and Professor Dovey fall for these appearances when they are supposed to be the intelligent, wise mentor characters (which the movie forgot) which sets up their arcs for the book (especially Dovey)
Really I just think that this movie was VERY thematically different from the book
If I remember correctly tedros gets his sword later in the books and goes on a whole quest to get it
You know what, I’ve considered what you said and now that I think about it. I think that they really should have a made it into a series instead of a movie if they made it series they would have a had more time to progress the story and the characters which I personally think would be better for the series.
Oof I actually liked this movie, it was fun and cute. I saw some plots that I didn’t like (Tedros and Agatha’s romance) but everything was cool. The world building was interesting and I could see Sophie being the evil one. As she would say multiple times throughout the film Agatha doesn’t not belong at the good school.
But the whole point of it was that the audience was supposed to believe that Sophie was good and that Agatha was evil, until later. And she wasn't saying that to be mean because in their world, they have these specific ideals about what "good" people are and what "bad" people are, so I wouldn't say that believing Agatha is evil makes her evil. Because that's how everyone in their world was conditioned to believe.
@@johannaelloso9418 well, I mean I interpreted it different, Sophie did seem like somebody that’s manipulative. Saying how her friend isn’t the good one. that’s not a good friend. Plus I haven’t read the books, so I have no none of the same reservations that most people in this comment section did.
I listened to the books during work, after I watched the movie, and I LOVED the first book, the second book was weird, and I couldn't finish the third.
In the movie, I wish they would have showed us the exercises, the rankings and the morphing into animals
I loved the books I made it to like half way through the 4 before I stopped reading the series but honestly I’m so sad that the removed the groom room scene with Agatha’s character cause that was my favorite self realization scene like ever I hated the movie but I loved the aesthetics of it but the plot was hot garbage but the toxic remix was worth watching it. But whole nemesis bomb was weird cause in the book it had a build up with the nemesis dreams and idk I have a lot of bones to pick with the movie I hope they don’t waste money on a second one but there’s 3 kissing booths sooo
For me there where to may characters and not the same level of development in everyone so they ended up being just caricatures of themselves: Tedros, Beatrix and her minions... I personally also didn't like how Miss Dovey was portrayed but...okey and also Agatha, Sofía is to beautiful!!! And giving her unruly curly hair doesn't makes it less obvious and the point of Agatha is that her beauty wasn't so obvious from the begging!!!
Movie Sophie and Agatha are two side of the same y/n
This was my favourite book as a child, I had all the books and I ordered the Ever Never Handbook as soon as it came out. I loved the book because of it's darker contents, I was like 11 when I read it. The movie was terrible, I really didn't like, none of the characters were interesting and everything was too rushed.
Also I thought the school master was professor Sader, and was very sad when he was not. The Evil School master was pretending to be the good one so everyone was tricked!
When I first watched movie in Netflix, I didn’t know it was a book series. I liked it, but I hated the ending. because like why fall in love with a guy you barely know and killed someone and I kind of hated her friend for not care about her best friend intel like the very end or the very beginning it just didn’t make any sense to me at all . I also never cared for the prince because he was with like three different girls two being the main characters and one other rich girl in good school and his development sucked in opinion. i’ll be honest I like Agatha with Gregor I know he wasn’t in the book at all but they had great chemist
In the books I think of Agatha as sickly looking, and that's how she's ugly to the village
Not only sickly looking, she wears only black, has black hair that looks like it’s covered in oil, and ladybug eyes
Ngl before the movie production started I always imagined agatha to be a pale asian
I agree with everything and I would add that they distroyed the coven characters. Hester got dulled down and had no character development, dot was not important and Anadil could not exist and it would make no difference.
It was so bad it was good. When the Good boys all arrived and started fighting the cheese levels went straight from American to Stilton!
i think its a good movie if it was completely unrelated to the book, but knowing it is so much more fleshed out in the book makes the movie pale considerably.
I enjoyed the movie anyways, I read some of the books I don't remember everything about it however what I do mostly remember about the books is it keeps you intrigued mainly because of the Mystery in the novels which I wasn't feeling that in the movie compared to harry potter, I also feel like they could've took this movie seriously without making it cheesy. Lastly even though this is promoted by netflix, I think they could've spent more time with the cgi or visual effects cause it was hit or miss throughout the whole movie.