lol that was the best analogy I’ve ever heard. “He was cooking up something special. And given another 30 seconds, it would’ve been delicious.” “But it turns out, the house burned down.” 😂😂😂 Savage.
I'm a simple man, I see "I’m a simple man, I see “I’m a simple man, I see “I’m a simple man. I see Battlecruiser, I liked”, I liked", I liked."I liked".
Play coop! I think its really fun and gives a little bit more casual experience (Not that brtual+ levels arent rewarding for good players), and the commanders are pretty cool and from all the good stories! Also you have way less options to worry about in your build depending on who youre playing which is really nice
@@timothycwillis The campaign is a lot of fun to play, especially Wings of Liberty. Seriously, try the campaign, I am quite sure you will enjoy your time :)
Or, hear me out, you become a bronze league hero and do battle cruiser rushes. Every. Single. Game. Then send them to Lowko so we can enjoy the fruits of your BC rush.
Thank you Lowko for this slightly unusual yet funny series between these 2 Korean Pros ; Since you were talking about it, I don't think ghosts need nerfs : my guess though would be MAYBE snipe no longer doing bonus to psionic, and no longer ignoring armor, perhaps.... other than that the unit is balanced imo !
I'm always surprised that the pros don't seem to get blue flame more often. The third game would have seemed ideal, really boosting the power of a hellbat drop.
I really like your videos & your commentary of them Lowko. GuMiho is one of the most creative Pro players out there willing to test new build orders vs the best pro players. He should be commended for trying these different builds, not condemed. The game evolves from players like him testing boundries, not from those that follow the same known successful safe build sequences of each race. ^^
Lowko, game 2 is exemplary of why terrans are leaving the ghosts at home; and it's not to flex or avoid ghost nerfs. It must be frustrating to play against ghosts when they can kill all of your best stuff - but imagine the cost of using them. They're a lot like carriers and motherships in that they create this massive liability which the terran really has to babysit, because one good fungal or flank can decimate the Terran's whole army. Using them introduces the constant specter of suddenly yielding winning initiative over to playing desperate damage control - and it's basically because it is very difficult for each ghost to pay for itself before it dies, as they are quite vulnerable when engaging. Meanwhile, arguably the greatest strength of marines is how disposable they are. Losing a huge division or strike group is hardly a setback at all. It is VERY easy for a marine supported by medivacs to pay off its principal investment cost in kills, and then continue accruing bonus value. Massing them means broader map control and more flexibility than when committing big supply to ghosts. They are easily the game's strongest attrition warfare unit, and they probably deserve a rebalance more than ghosts because of it. Mixing in 4 to 6 ghosts to help the marines break lurker positions with greater efficiency would probably be an ideal army composition, but the pros currently seem to think they either need 15+ ghosts supported by a bizarre smorgasbord of other costly, vulnerable, and not-easily-replaced terran units, or 0 of them. Mass marine keeps working. I think the real mystery is why they keep trying anything else.
Because mass marines actually doesn't work above Plat lol. Its funny how balance whiners have selective blindness - Gumiho built up to unit comp with 5 different units. Its no mystery that he wouldn't have to make Ghosts considering Solar had such bad map awareness his hatches kept getting sniped. The supply and production throughout show a slow death animation.
@@hivetech4903You don't get it, the zerg went to lurkers!!! And you dare fight that without ghosts!? Lmao at zergs thinking like this. If solar had waited a few more seconds when he did the baneling drop his speed would have finished and he would have done damage. Also he arguably needed 8 banee 2 droplords, not 4 banes 1 dlord
@@hivetech4903 But that's exactly what I am trying to say; bronze zergs seethe thinking that the "only" way to fight lurkers is to use ghosts which is evidently wrong. That being said, a small set of ghosts (like 3-4) would help
@@hivetech4903 I must not understand your comment. Are you saying Solar is Plat teir? Are you aware that Clem bodied Serral 4-0 using mass marine with 6-figure prizes on the line?
16:40 the marauder runnnig and the spines missing, I mentioned this a long time ago, its the weakness of auto targeting of the lurker, so you send in a unit like the maruader higher hp to kite hte spines, and hten stim in marines and a scan and quickly take out hte lurkers bvefore your oppoenent can manaully select... Battlecruisers have a better sniping option against zerg every x second and if pulled in can warp out... so they can be a viable unit.. but wit h12 supply count for two, about all yo ucan use if you go battle cruiser as a utility unit, for sniping vipers, lurkers and heavy D to ultras...
"Don't you hate it when you accidentally win" Most common instance of that for me is my opponent auto-leaving. Btw those guys are much easier smurfs to prove than anyone you lose to. If someone auto leaves check their match history. 8 losses in less than an hour after a long winning streak? Before that it's another long losing streak and before that another long winning streak? That's a smurf. Report them. Anyways, back to the vod.
I would have infackt hate that the janky BC rush would had worked on a pro game. Though the 5--7 queens is at this point menditory to spawn, a BC rush aganst zerg is still a hellish deed!
wrt win rates: T pick this map when they can so they can beat stronger Zs, so 50/50 is actually imbalanced, same as if Z picked some map all the time and weaker Z has 50/50 chance against stronger T.
The fact pro Terran players not going to Ghost transition could actually backfire on them. If they show they can win without Ghosts, then Ghost becomes somewhat unnecessary unit ad it will definitely got nerfed. A tip for pro players (if they actually read comments): Just play the frickin' Ghosts goddammit.
That makes no sense... BC is like a Banshee or Raven opening build, its harass that comes before committing to Bio or Mech. Also Maru does them on occasion... so there's that.
Everyone: "Ghosts are too op, they need to be nerfed." Terrans: "But Terran NEEDS ghosts to win in the lategame, if they get nerfed Terran can't win." Terran proceeds to win in the lategame without ghosts. Guess what really needs a nerf is the marine, then... Terran proceeds to win the next game without producing a single marine. ಠ_ಠ (im joking...mostly. I know in the last game Solar severely misplayed)
What has to get nerfed for terrans is detection and sight. They've got too much of it, and it's too good. Sensor towers, ravens, and if that fails, they can just point and click where they want to see _everything,_ and as their opponent, you can do absolutely nothing about it. Terrans have to finally begin to need to scout.
@@aaronkerrigan241 The only source Blizzard uses for balance is aligulac because one or two premiere tournaments doesn't have nearly enough data: Tournament level balance stats: PvT: 56% (Protoss favored), so correct to say Terran is not IMBA. TvZ: 55% (Terran favored)... so Terran is actually outperforming Zerg at pro level. If this continues for a few more months balance changes will address it. Zerg is definitely under-performing against both races and are very likely getting buffed. I think one of the Baneling nerfs will be reverted. They might not need another buff if Ghosts get a minor nerf, but Terran might then need a late game buff elsewhere, like the Cyclone upgrade or something.
@@aaronkerrigan241 Definitely not in a vacuum. I've been collecting data on major league and premier tournaments, and terran consistently win over 40% of the maps (after removing mirror matchups and randoms from the equation). Which doesn't directly translate into winning tournements, obscuring the magnitude of the problem.
@@aaronkerrigan241 Try doing the analysis without considering who won a match or a tournament. Count every map won even if it was in a losing match. For example, in 2010, there were 1162 maps played in major league and premier tournaments, by non-mirrored, non-random players, with Terran winning 458, Zerg 312, and Protoss, 392, so winrates are 39.41%/26.85%/33.73% In 2011, there were 10580 maps played, with 3660 going to Terran, 3463 to Zerg, and 3457 to Protoss, making the 34.59%/32.73%/32.67% split Overall, over two first years, the winrate split was 35.07%/32.15%/32.78%, clearly showing the terran advantage. Source: liquipedia ('cause I don't know how to scrape individual map data from aligulac).
@@aaronkerrigan241 I'm not getting into specific matchups, merely observing that while rates should be around 33% if we have perfect balance, Terran reliably enjoys the winrate of around 40% throughout the years, and that had never changed (though IIRC there was a couple of dips back in the Core and Swarmhost meta days). Whether it is because Zerg or Protoss are underpowered, and whom it affects more, is irrelevant.
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lol that was the best analogy I’ve ever heard.
“He was cooking up something special. And given another 30 seconds, it would’ve been delicious.”
“But it turns out, the house burned down.”
😂😂😂 Savage.
I actually laughed out loud.. full gawfaw with a snort.. that was brilliant!
May I ask the timestamp for that?
5:36 magic
@@brandontang6737thanks
I'm a simple man. I see Battlecruiser, I liked.
I’m a simple man, I see “I’m a simple man. I see Battlecruiser, I liked”, I liked
@@dominionemployee1188 I’m a simple man, I see “I’m a simple man, I see “I’m a simple man. I see Battlecruiser, I liked”, I liked", I liked.
I'm a simple man, I see "I’m a simple man, I see “I’m a simple man, I see “I’m a simple man. I see Battlecruiser, I liked”, I liked", I liked."I liked".
Me too. I dont play SC2 anymore since legacy of the void cuz it just doesnt work in my pc. But i love BC games 😊
Bio is fine, but I will always like Battlecruiser and Mech plays more.
Wait, wait, WAIT! Terran making reavens vs Zergs?!
We need more battlecruiser rush. As someone who does this often in 2v2. Zerg has a pretty rough time defending a BC until corrupters are out.
If Lowko starts showing up in your dreams, casting Starcraft games, are you at the optimal amount of Lowko? Asking for a friend.
Always down for a sabaton/sc2 jumble at 24:00
After watching hundreds of lowko videos I wonder if it's time to finally play StarCraft... Nah. I just like to watch
The game is free buddy :) the game is nice to play when you dont get to serious about yourself ^^
Play coop! I think its really fun and gives a little bit more casual experience (Not that brtual+ levels arent rewarding for good players), and the commanders are pretty cool and from all the good stories! Also you have way less options to worry about in your build depending on who youre playing which is really nice
@@ChaineRubis I know! I downloaded it over a year ago. Just never got around to it and don't want to play catch up to learn. 😬
@@timothycwillis The campaign is a lot of fun to play, especially Wings of Liberty.
Seriously, try the campaign, I am quite sure you will enjoy your time :)
Or, hear me out, you become a bronze league hero and do battle cruiser rushes. Every. Single. Game. Then send them to Lowko so we can enjoy the fruits of your BC rush.
24:00 your ghost division parody made me spit my drink. 10/10 not expected.
Battle cruisers AND a Sabaton reference, you deserve all the likes on this one!
GuMiho is my favorite. I am never disappointed watching the man play
Gumi feeding the fans, everyone loves battlecruisers
ahh, thanks SC2 Expert!
I love Battlecruisers and Terran Mech, this series had both!
*"Battlecruiser operational"*
Thanks for the video, Lowko. Appreciate the excellent content as always. ❤
Thank you Lowko for this slightly unusual yet funny series between these 2 Korean Pros ; Since you were talking about it, I don't think ghosts need nerfs : my guess though would be MAYBE snipe no longer doing bonus to psionic, and no longer ignoring armor, perhaps.... other than that the unit is balanced imo !
"Jobs done" wow that hasnt been in my head in like 15 years! Heard it perfectly in the peon voice 😂
@@aaronkerrigan241 I can do that.
You might say that in Game #2, Gumiho looked at that one Terran unit...and ghosted it.
3:14 i thought he used the original voice from warcraft 😂❤
I'm always surprised that the pros don't seem to get blue flame more often. The third game would have seemed ideal, really boosting the power of a hellbat drop.
I really like your videos & your commentary of them Lowko. GuMiho is one of the most creative Pro players out there willing to test new build orders vs the best pro players. He should be commended for trying these different builds, not condemed. The game evolves from players like him testing boundries, not from those that follow the same known successful safe build sequences of each race. ^^
anything with a Carrier or Battlecruiser caption, it's an instant like for me.. I am living on SC1 days lol...
Always smash 'like' for Lowko puns!
Gumigod gives the fans exactly what they want
gumiho plays mech like 70% of the time...or at least whenever I try to watch his games I would see him going for mechs --- and i love it lol
You'll never be bored with GuMiho's games.
Lowko, game 2 is exemplary of why terrans are leaving the ghosts at home; and it's not to flex or avoid ghost nerfs.
It must be frustrating to play against ghosts when they can kill all of your best stuff - but imagine the cost of using them. They're a lot like carriers and motherships in that they create this massive liability which the terran really has to babysit, because one good fungal or flank can decimate the Terran's whole army. Using them introduces the constant specter of suddenly yielding winning initiative over to playing desperate damage control - and it's basically because it is very difficult for each ghost to pay for itself before it dies, as they are quite vulnerable when engaging.
Meanwhile, arguably the greatest strength of marines is how disposable they are. Losing a huge division or strike group is hardly a setback at all. It is VERY easy for a marine supported by medivacs to pay off its principal investment cost in kills, and then continue accruing bonus value. Massing them means broader map control and more flexibility than when committing big supply to ghosts. They are easily the game's strongest attrition warfare unit, and they probably deserve a rebalance more than ghosts because of it.
Mixing in 4 to 6 ghosts to help the marines break lurker positions with greater efficiency would probably be an ideal army composition, but the pros currently seem to think they either need 15+ ghosts supported by a bizarre smorgasbord of other costly, vulnerable, and not-easily-replaced terran units, or 0 of them.
Mass marine keeps working. I think the real mystery is why they keep trying anything else.
Because mass marines actually doesn't work above Plat lol. Its funny how balance whiners have selective blindness - Gumiho built up to unit comp with 5 different units. Its no mystery that he wouldn't have to make Ghosts considering Solar had such bad map awareness his hatches kept getting sniped. The supply and production throughout show a slow death animation.
@@hivetech4903You don't get it, the zerg went to lurkers!!! And you dare fight that without ghosts!? Lmao at zergs thinking like this.
If solar had waited a few more seconds when he did the baneling drop his speed would have finished and he would have done damage. Also he arguably needed 8 banee 2 droplords, not 4 banes 1 dlord
@@zachariastsampasidis8880 Typical low league commentary: X unit counters Y unit. Get to 5000 MMR with both races, then comment.
@@hivetech4903 But that's exactly what I am trying to say; bronze zergs seethe thinking that the "only" way to fight lurkers is to use ghosts which is evidently wrong. That being said, a small set of ghosts (like 3-4) would help
@@hivetech4903 I must not understand your comment. Are you saying Solar is Plat teir? Are you aware that Clem bodied Serral 4-0 using mass marine with 6-figure prizes on the line?
lol at the casual sabaton reference
Honestly hellbat drops in the mineral line are pretty nasty
In fact, I see Lowko, I liked
Marines are late game army lowko. They are in almost every late game army composition.
Battlecruisers and Mech? This is why we love Gumi
The Sabaton reference!
More Battecruisers less Ghosts makes me happy 😂
omg the day has finally come, a pro player made a raven!!!
It has to be GuMi ofcourse
"medivacs not doing any healing" as the medivacs are healing firebats
16:40 the marauder runnnig and the spines missing, I mentioned this a long time ago, its the weakness of auto targeting of the lurker, so you send in a unit like the maruader higher hp to kite hte spines, and hten stim in marines and a scan and quickly take out hte lurkers bvefore your oppoenent can manaully select...
Battlecruisers have a better sniping option against zerg every x second and if pulled in can warp out... so they can be a viable unit.. but wit h12 supply count for two, about all yo ucan use if you go battle cruiser as a utility unit, for sniping vipers, lurkers and heavy D to ultras...
If he built that cc for the wall it might have worked out !
"Don't you hate it when you accidentally win" Most common instance of that for me is my opponent auto-leaving.
Btw those guys are much easier smurfs to prove than anyone you lose to. If someone auto leaves check their match history. 8 losses in less than an hour after a long winning streak? Before that it's another long losing streak and before that another long winning streak? That's a smurf. Report them. Anyways, back to the vod.
*drops **3:30** fusion core*
Lowko: 🤯😮🤯😮🤯😮
I miss the BC builds! 😂
GUMIGOD
These fools keep trying so hard to doomy The Gumi.
gumi god
I would have infackt hate that the janky BC rush would had worked on a pro game. Though the 5--7 queens is at this point menditory to spawn, a BC rush aganst zerg is still a hellish deed!
those where some weird games
wrt win rates: T pick this map when they can so they can beat stronger Zs, so 50/50 is actually imbalanced, same as if Z picked some map all the time and weaker Z has 50/50 chance against stronger T.
Lost to 12 zerglings lmaooo
Another “normal” gumiho series
The fact pro Terran players not going to Ghost transition could actually backfire on them. If they show they can win without Ghosts, then Ghost becomes somewhat unnecessary unit ad it will definitely got nerfed. A tip for pro players (if they actually read comments): Just play the frickin' Ghosts goddammit.
I like Terran Mech but I can't for the life of me...MECH it happen. They're just so expensive. 😁
ByuN and Solar both trying out mech in tournaments? Mech buff + Ghost nerf
Huh. The other time I was this early in the comment section somebody was already doing some cheese.
Anyone else if you don't see zerg as the first race presented fast forward the video a bit and if there is no zerg close the video?
BC rushes are for those who cannot play classic bio-composition army very well. Change my mind.
That makes no sense... BC is like a Banshee or Raven opening build, its harass that comes before committing to Bio or Mech. Also Maru does them on occasion... so there's that.
The MMM style should be nerfed PRECISELY because it is too core. Man With Gun should not be able to counter everything.
What is a "yuge group"?
Lol they nerfed zerg so much terrans dont even need ghosts anymore
For the algorithm
Am sad no lowko intro
Based on thumbnail and title is clicked faster than I ever have in my life hoping for view submitted games.... FML it’s been months
Why 3rd CC on low ground... makes 0 sense
Yeah should’ve been part of the wall off 100%.
Everyone: "Ghosts are too op, they need to be nerfed."
Terrans: "But Terran NEEDS ghosts to win in the lategame, if they get nerfed Terran can't win."
Terran proceeds to win in the lategame without ghosts.
Guess what really needs a nerf is the marine, then...
Terran proceeds to win the next game without producing a single marine. ಠ_ಠ
(im joking...mostly. I know in the last game Solar severely misplayed)
What has to get nerfed for terrans is detection and sight. They've got too much of it, and it's too good. Sensor towers, ravens, and if that fails, they can just point and click where they want to see _everything,_ and as their opponent, you can do absolutely nothing about it. Terrans have to finally begin to need to scout.
@@aaronkerrigan241 The only source Blizzard uses for balance is aligulac because one or two premiere tournaments doesn't have nearly enough data: Tournament level balance stats: PvT: 56% (Protoss favored), so correct to say Terran is not IMBA. TvZ: 55% (Terran favored)... so Terran is actually outperforming Zerg at pro level. If this continues for a few more months balance changes will address it.
Zerg is definitely under-performing against both races and are very likely getting buffed. I think one of the Baneling nerfs will be reverted. They might not need another buff if Ghosts get a minor nerf, but Terran might then need a late game buff elsewhere, like the Cyclone upgrade or something.
@@aaronkerrigan241
Definitely not in a vacuum. I've been collecting data on major league and premier tournaments, and terran consistently win over 40% of the maps (after removing mirror matchups and randoms from the equation). Which doesn't directly translate into winning tournements, obscuring the magnitude of the problem.
@@aaronkerrigan241
Try doing the analysis without considering who won a match or a tournament. Count every map won even if it was in a losing match.
For example, in 2010, there were 1162 maps played in major league and premier tournaments, by non-mirrored, non-random players, with Terran winning 458, Zerg 312, and Protoss, 392, so winrates are 39.41%/26.85%/33.73%
In 2011, there were 10580 maps played, with 3660 going to Terran, 3463 to Zerg, and 3457 to Protoss, making the 34.59%/32.73%/32.67% split
Overall, over two first years, the winrate split was 35.07%/32.15%/32.78%, clearly showing the terran advantage. Source: liquipedia ('cause I don't know how to scrape individual map data from aligulac).
@@aaronkerrigan241
I'm not getting into specific matchups, merely observing that while rates should be around 33% if we have perfect balance, Terran reliably enjoys the winrate of around 40% throughout the years, and that had never changed (though IIRC there was a couple of dips back in the Core and Swarmhost meta days). Whether it is because Zerg or Protoss are underpowered, and whom it affects more, is irrelevant.
😶🌫️
That's why nobody want play this imbalanced game they make one race op every year
Lowko, I really like your videos, but please stop with the click bait titles that make no sense...
cant agree more. nice videos but the titles jst ruin it
I don't understand, it sums up the game perfectly fine?
I mean the battlecruiser rush made no sense. Where was the click bait?