I left the Luminar program at version 4, and Capture One doesn't just look overpriced, it is and has been from the beginning. I had all but left On1 but with recent improvements have returned to give it another try. Hopefully On1 continues to improve and will become my permanent Lightroom replacement after leaving Adobe for good in April. Thanks for sharing
So you're finally pulling the plug. Why so? Capture one has always been overpriced but 6x difference is pushing it. Yes Im sensing people are giving this a second look. Masking for me used to be the reason to pay extra for C1 but now it's harder to justify.
Excellent review, thanks. Straight to the point with no time-wasting filler, and great image examples. It's amazing to me how photo apps with this feature have improved at object selection over the past few years. Another year or so, and they may all be nailing the palm tree cleanly on the first try as well. This improvement does indeed allow faster, easier image editing and is worth paying to stay up-to-date.
Thanks for watching. Interestingly the improved object selection just came in the past few months. Capture One was around Oct 2023, Luminar in April and ON1 in June 2024. Don't know why this is so, but glad to see this happen. Really moves the needle in the editing experience.
Good comparison of this three RAW converters. However, stability, speed and natural colors of Capture One Pro are best and especially at the black Friday week, you can get Capture One Pro cheaper (up to 50%). So far, your comparison seems to be not catching all the parameters that are important for me. Anyway, I have all three programs and prefer Capture One as standard RAW Converter for my photos, Luminar NEO for portraits and people and ON1 Photo RAW 2024.5 with Brilliance AI for give good landscape photos the final look in colors. I think all of this three RAW Converters have their strengths and weaknesses.
I agree. Colors and tone adjustments of Capture One make it the best RAW converter. I'm an owner as well. I do find the though search of C1 was way slower than ON1 in my catalog of thousands of files. Not sure if its my setup or the software. They all have their strengths for sure. ON1 price is also much cheaper. I like luminar for its HDR, focus stacking, and generase.
@@takebetterphotos8132 I noticed lower speed of a big catalog with a really high number of pictures by Capture One similar to Lightroom, that I used a few years ago (no abo). My solution is to use for every project an catalog for its own and for searching photos I have a good folder structure on my SSD and use Excire Foto.
I see glad it wasn't just me. Lightroom for me didn't have the slow return of results as C1 which could take minutes for basic file searches. I'll look into Excire Foto. Thanks.
Good comparison! I've used Capture One for several years because it has always given the best image quality (IMO) right out of the gate, and I've tried them all. And yes, C1 is WAY overpriced. ON1 has made solid progress in all areas and I think it is a real contender.
good comparison but you should have probably included the Adobe masking features in Photoshop and Camera Raw. Also, On1 does have both a luminosity and color mask which can be applied against the super select mask. It also feathering features. One great thing about On1 is you can do more than just tone and color corrections but also all the effects like blur, glow, dynamic contrast etc on specific parts of the image via super select. .I have all those products other than CaptureOne which is so over-priced it is unbelievable.
Thanks for the valuable insights. Yes a lot of people pointed that out. I chose these three editors because of their similar point-and-click masking workflow. However I just did a Lightroom masking comparison in my last video. With regards to the luminosity mask, I find that clicking the tool resets the mask completely, as such my understanding is you can't refine an object mask with a luminosity mask in ON1 and vice versa. I actually did not know about the color range mask. I shall that try that out.
The three programs that are compared each offer a perpetual license. Exactly that feature drove me and many others away from Adobe when they went subscription.
@lescornwel haha yes perhaps that could be made a reason too! Though I did have another masking video comparison on ON1 vs Lightroom for completeness and since many people asked for it.
Thank you! You have confirmed my opinion of on1 photo raw. I don't have capture one but I do have on1 and luminar neo as well as lightroom cc, photoshop and a few others. I have been extensively trying the AI selection in on1 and i think it is the best at least for me.
@@takebetterphotos8132since I took a lot of firework photos on the 4th I thought I would try to do a composite with masking. I tried PS, LRC, NEO and on1. None of them did good on it. But on1 got more detail than the others but still not good enough. I tried refining but it ate up most of whatever I ran it over. Good thing is this is just the beginning. I’m not disappointed, I know AI selections will get better and better. Still leaps and bounds from the old days. Ugh CS2 so much work and time lol
@@takebetterphotos8132 I did play around with that too. My background was a light blue sky for the base. The photo with the firework was dark almost black, the fire work was so beautiful and colorful. when I got what i wanted in all white in the mask, I unhid the base photo it was so light almost transparent on the light blue background. I even tried blend modes. I'll keep experimenting because I am very stubborn lol. Thank you. I love your channel!!
Wow sounds like a really tough problem. But yes no substitute for experimenting. Perhaps I'll give it a try myself. Or you can send me a link to a similar photo. Thanks for watching!
i noticed when masking the palm tree you used luminosity mask with on1 but did not use a luminosity mask when testing luminar. maybe theres a reason for that.
Great video!!! I just watched an Australian guy pick apart both Affinity and ON1. He could not stop himself saying bad things about both. Can't you guys get together, duke it out, and come to an agreement? BTW, some of the masks you created with ON1 were not all that good either -- you did them quickly to cover that up.
I use ON1 since about 2 years. It has come a long way since, and the masking capabilities are just amazing. And the "Effects" features are just great and something that C1 almost completely lacks. BUT, even though - way - "overpriced", (even with discounts to be had sometimes), I bought C1 as well, because I "feel" that it excels in the tone and color department. Maybe you can achieve similar results with On1, if you know how to appropriately combine all the (effects) tools, but who would not prefer the software which provides better looking colours "right out of the gate", as another commentator called it. And as a Fujfilm user, I also appreciate that C1 offers all the Fujifilm film simulations, and in very good quality indeed. Conversely, On1 offers only some Fujfilm profiles, and of mediocre quality. Hopefully, On1 will up - or streamline - its game in this department too.
Wow you bought two editors! I agree that C1 has the best looking colors and tone adjustments. i've never used their film simulations but I wouldn't doubt your assessment that C1 gives top quality. Whether people would pay 299 for C1 over 60 for ON1 is of course another matter. I guess it depends on how much you value the photos 😀 Good to see a lot of choice nowadays. I would really be curious to see the sales of each software how people are responding to the value proposition 😀
Nice review, but one thing that was completely left out was color masking... Capture One's Color Editor tool can easily define a color range and create a mask from it, which goes a long way for things like tree vs background example in this video. with Capture One, i wouldn't even bother using the AI masking... since the tree is such a different color than everything else... creating an exact 1:1 mask of only the tree would have taken a moment, and not even needed any of these newer "AI" features... i reviewers and even users often overlook this, I'm curious if any other tools offer a similar masking feature.
Thanks for the feedback. I agree the example could have been better. The distinct color would have been best masked with the luminosity masking tool which all...Capture One, ON1 and luminar Neo do have. I should have picked a complex subject WITHOUT the distinct. Capture One is the only one I know which creates a mask from a color range which probably might even be better fo this case. The rest only have the luminosity masking tool.
Last year C1 responded to the criticism of high price by offering a new licence for £140. This was less than the upgrade price for DXO PhotoLab V7. Fingers crossed for this years Black Friday sale.
If you compare just one feature Capture One is over priced; but when you compare the whole package, not so much. Capture One is my main editor and so far nothing beats it for culling through 1500+ shots from an agility trail, bulk editing, colour management etc. I do keep ON1, Luminar and Afinity around for some specialized features. Not sure how long I'm going to keep Luminar current as for my use case it's falling behind (I've thought this in the past with ON1 and Luminar then they update it and I decide to keep it for a bit more...... LOL ). We do have some good choices out there; Capture One just suits me and my work flow so much better than the others.
Thanks for your feedback. I do see where you are coming from. I did purchase Capture one too! I guess one way to look at it is 300 dollars is in reality small when you consider the top notch image quality out of the box and when comparing the cost of your equipment and travel! I did the review though from the point of view of a hobbyist who might not be willing to spend too much but just wants quality features! I thought ON1 fills that criteria the best! Luminar I think will always have its niche in its HDR merging. Other than that on1 has taken the lead in every thing else.
Yes that's true. The difference though is you cannot apply a luminosity mask to refine (i.e. add to or subtract from) a mask from an object selection tool as you can do with Capture One.
Why leave LR out of this comparison, it also has object select. And it is pretty good. I have a subsription to Luminar Neo and PS/LR. the selections tools offered by Adobe are much better.
I chose C1 and luminar because of their similar point and click masking. However I'd love to compare with Lightroom as well. I do suspect that id the best! We shall see.
I compared these editors as they had the same point-and-click workflow. However here is my Lightroom masking comparison for your pleasure! :D th-cam.com/video/OiHVGRhnw18/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ykppRvgJRnRaDOld
In this video I compared editors with the same point-and-click masking workflow. However here is my Adobe comparison. Enjoy! th-cam.com/video/OiHVGRhnw18/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ykppRvgJRnRaDOld
Maybe I've lost the point. First you have to have a good raw processor in general and THEN compare the AI mask capabilities... People can not live without saying AI at least 100 times a day.
I left the Luminar program at version 4, and Capture One doesn't just look overpriced, it is and has been from the beginning. I had all but left On1 but with recent improvements have returned to give it another try. Hopefully On1 continues to improve and will become my permanent Lightroom replacement after leaving Adobe for good in April. Thanks for sharing
So you're finally pulling the plug. Why so? Capture one has always been overpriced but 6x difference is pushing it. Yes Im sensing people are giving this a second look. Masking for me used to be the reason to pay extra for C1 but now it's harder to justify.
What about Affinity Photo 2 as a lightroom replacement?
Excellent review, thanks. Straight to the point with no time-wasting filler, and great image examples. It's amazing to me how photo apps with this feature have improved at object selection over the past few years. Another year or so, and they may all be nailing the palm tree cleanly on the first try as well. This improvement does indeed allow faster, easier image editing and is worth paying to stay up-to-date.
Thanks for watching. Interestingly the improved object selection just came in the past few months. Capture One was around Oct 2023, Luminar in April and ON1 in June 2024. Don't know why this is so, but glad to see this happen. Really moves the needle in the editing experience.
Good comparison of this three RAW converters. However, stability, speed and natural colors of Capture One Pro are best and especially at the black Friday week, you can get Capture One Pro cheaper (up to 50%). So far, your comparison seems to be not catching all the parameters that are important for me.
Anyway, I have all three programs and prefer Capture One as standard RAW Converter for my photos, Luminar NEO for portraits and people and ON1 Photo RAW 2024.5 with Brilliance AI for give good landscape photos the final look in colors.
I think all of this three RAW Converters have their strengths and weaknesses.
I agree. Colors and tone adjustments of Capture One make it the best RAW converter. I'm an owner as well. I do find the though search of C1 was way slower than ON1 in my catalog of thousands of files. Not sure if its my setup or the software. They all have their strengths for sure. ON1 price is also much cheaper. I like luminar for its HDR, focus stacking, and generase.
@@takebetterphotos8132 I noticed lower speed of a big catalog with a really high number of pictures by Capture One similar to Lightroom, that I used a few years ago (no abo). My solution is to use for every project an catalog for its own and for searching photos I have a good folder structure on my SSD and use Excire Foto.
I see glad it wasn't just me. Lightroom for me didn't have the slow return of results as C1 which could take minutes for basic file searches. I'll look into Excire Foto. Thanks.
Good comparison! I've used Capture One for several years because it has always given the best image quality (IMO) right out of the gate, and I've tried them all. And yes, C1 is WAY overpriced. ON1 has made solid progress in all areas and I think it is a real contender.
Yes surprising progress. Wasn't like this in years past. Good for them!
good comparison but you should have probably included the Adobe masking features in Photoshop and Camera Raw. Also, On1 does have both a luminosity and color mask which can be applied against the super select mask. It also feathering features. One great thing about On1 is you can do more than just tone and color corrections but also all the effects like blur, glow, dynamic contrast etc on specific parts of the image via super select. .I have all those products other than CaptureOne which is so over-priced it is unbelievable.
Thanks for the valuable insights. Yes a lot of people pointed that out. I chose these three editors because of their similar point-and-click masking workflow. However I just did a Lightroom masking comparison in my last video. With regards to the luminosity mask, I find that clicking the tool resets the mask completely, as such my understanding is you can't refine an object mask with a luminosity mask in ON1 and vice versa. I actually did not know about the color range mask. I shall that try that out.
The three programs that are compared each offer a perpetual license. Exactly that feature drove me and many others away from Adobe when they went subscription.
@lescornwel haha yes perhaps that could be made a reason too! Though I did have another masking video comparison on ON1 vs Lightroom for completeness and since many people asked for it.
Thanks for this and congrats on being selected by ON1 for this highlight!
Wow thanks for letting me know. So kind of ON1 to do so. Where can I see this?
@@takebetterphotos8132 The link to this video was sent in an e-mail (because I'm a subscriber) dated July 6.
Ok I actually received it but looking at the subject I would never have read it! Thanks a lot! Nice to know ppl actually watch.
Thank you! You have confirmed my opinion of on1 photo raw. I don't have capture one but I do have on1 and luminar neo as well as lightroom cc, photoshop and a few others. I have been extensively trying the AI selection in on1 and i think it is the best at least for me.
Yes I do believe it is slightly better than Capture One as well by the smallest of margins.
@@takebetterphotos8132since I took a lot of firework photos on the 4th I thought I would try to do a composite with masking. I tried PS, LRC, NEO and on1. None of them did good on it. But on1 got more detail than the others but still not good enough. I tried refining but it ate up most of whatever I ran it over.
Good thing is this is just the beginning. I’m not disappointed, I know AI selections will get better and better. Still leaps and bounds from the old days. Ugh CS2 so much work and time lol
Sorry to hear it didn't do it. Perhaps luminosity masking would do a better job. The brightness of the fireworks seems applicable to it.
@@takebetterphotos8132 I did play around with that too. My background was a light blue sky for the base. The photo with the firework was dark almost black, the fire work was so beautiful and colorful. when I got what i wanted in all white in the mask, I unhid the base photo it was so light almost transparent on the light blue background. I even tried blend modes. I'll keep experimenting because I am very stubborn lol. Thank you. I love your channel!!
Wow sounds like a really tough problem. But yes no substitute for experimenting. Perhaps I'll give it a try myself. Or you can send me a link to a similar photo. Thanks for watching!
i noticed when masking the palm tree you used luminosity mask with on1 but did not use a luminosity mask when testing luminar. maybe theres a reason for that.
Good point. Luminar does have an excellent luminosity mask. I could have used a better example for mask refinement
By default On1’s Object AI has a rather large feathering hence the halo around the palm tree, but you can adjust the feathering afterwards.
Good tip I will try that. Thanks.
Great video!!!
I just watched an Australian guy pick apart both Affinity and ON1. He could not stop himself saying bad things about both.
Can't you guys get together, duke it out, and come to an agreement?
BTW, some of the masks you created with ON1 were not all that good either -- you did them quickly to cover that up.
Maybe he has very high standards! Have to remember the price you are paying.
A most excellent comparison! Focused and to the point!
Glad it was helpful! :)
I use ON1 since about 2 years. It has come a long way since, and the masking capabilities are just amazing. And the "Effects" features are just great and something that C1 almost completely lacks. BUT, even though - way - "overpriced", (even with discounts to be had sometimes), I bought C1 as well, because I "feel" that it excels in the tone and color department. Maybe you can achieve similar results with On1, if you know how to appropriately combine all the (effects) tools, but who would not prefer the software which provides better looking colours "right out of the gate", as another commentator called it. And as a Fujfilm user, I also appreciate that C1 offers all the Fujifilm film simulations, and in very good quality indeed. Conversely, On1 offers only some Fujfilm profiles, and of mediocre quality. Hopefully, On1 will up - or streamline - its game in this department too.
Wow you bought two editors! I agree that C1 has the best looking colors and tone adjustments. i've never used their film simulations but I wouldn't doubt your assessment that C1 gives top quality. Whether people would pay 299 for C1 over 60 for ON1 is of course another matter. I guess it depends on how much you value the photos 😀 Good to see a lot of choice nowadays. I would really be curious to see the sales of each software how people are responding to the value proposition 😀
Nice review, but one thing that was completely left out was color masking... Capture One's Color Editor tool can easily define a color range and create a mask from it, which goes a long way for things like tree vs background example in this video. with Capture One, i wouldn't even bother using the AI masking... since the tree is such a different color than everything else... creating an exact 1:1 mask of only the tree would have taken a moment, and not even needed any of these newer "AI" features... i reviewers and even users often overlook this, I'm curious if any other tools offer a similar masking feature.
Thanks for the feedback. I agree the example could have been better. The distinct color would have been best masked with the luminosity masking tool which all...Capture One, ON1 and luminar Neo do have. I should have picked a complex subject WITHOUT the distinct. Capture One is the only one I know which creates a mask from a color range which probably might even be better fo this case. The rest only have the luminosity masking tool.
Very well done, thank you for this episode.
Glad to help!
Thanks for your excellent comparison!
My pleasure!
Last year C1 responded to the criticism of high price by offering a new licence for £140. This was less than the upgrade price for DXO PhotoLab V7. Fingers crossed for this years Black Friday sale.
Are you referring to the black friday sale of $200? Yes that's the best time to get C1. I certainly did!
If you compare just one feature Capture One is over priced; but when you compare the whole package, not so much. Capture One is my main editor and so far nothing beats it for culling through 1500+ shots from an agility trail, bulk editing, colour management etc. I do keep ON1, Luminar and Afinity around for some specialized features. Not sure how long I'm going to keep Luminar current as for my use case it's falling behind (I've thought this in the past with ON1 and Luminar then they update it and I decide to keep it for a bit more...... LOL ).
We do have some good choices out there; Capture One just suits me and my work flow so much better than the others.
Thanks for your feedback. I do see where you are coming from. I did purchase Capture one too! I guess one way to look at it is 300 dollars is in reality small when you consider the top notch image quality out of the box and when comparing the cost of your equipment and travel! I did the review though from the point of view of a hobbyist who might not be willing to spend too much but just wants quality features! I thought ON1 fills that criteria the best! Luminar I think will always have its niche in its HDR merging. Other than that on1 has taken the lead in every thing else.
On1 also has a luminosity mask facility too
Yes that's true. The difference though is you cannot apply a luminosity mask to refine (i.e. add to or subtract from) a mask from an object selection tool as you can do with Capture One.
Why leave LR out of this comparison, it also has object select. And it is pretty good. I have a subsription to Luminar Neo and PS/LR. the selections tools offered by Adobe are much better.
I chose C1 and luminar because of their similar point and click masking. However I'd love to compare with Lightroom as well. I do suspect that id the best! We shall see.
Why did you leave out Photoshop and Adobe Lightroom they are both as good as On1! ????? I have all of them BTW!
I compared these editors as they had the same point-and-click workflow. However here is my Lightroom masking comparison for your pleasure! :D th-cam.com/video/OiHVGRhnw18/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ykppRvgJRnRaDOld
ON1 wins hands down, can't fault this editing software.
Yes much improved over previous iterations
ON1 2024.5 would be great, but the update from 2024.3 does not work in my new PC
My guess is that your computer doesn't have a strong enough GPU? That's the way all software is going unfortunately.
You can check the recommended system specs here. www.on1.com/products/photo-raw/specs/
Luminosity mask in ON1 is the proper tool for landscapes.
If the brightness of the object is distinct, definitely!
do you teach on1?
I don't have a course in ON1 just these videos. :)
No comparison with Adobe stuff ? On1 is surely better but why ?
In this video I compared editors with the same point-and-click masking workflow. However here is my Adobe comparison.
Enjoy! th-cam.com/video/OiHVGRhnw18/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ykppRvgJRnRaDOld
Selecting the face by On1 is not perfect. The right hand fingers are not selected. Theses are partly covered by hair.
Thanks for the observation. Will look out for it when I test it again.
You forgot the best…LR and PS
I did a separate review on LR th-cam.com/video/OiHVGRhnw18/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Dcx3-GPtn7F6nygz
Capture1 is definitely the best softawre
Thanks for the feedback. A few other have said the same.
Maybe I've lost the point. First you have to have a good raw processor in general and THEN compare the AI mask capabilities... People can not live without saying AI at least 100 times a day.
True, AI is an overused word. Yes this video is about masking performance....I have compared RAW processors in previous videos.