Jack Stand Review: Torin Big Red vs. Pro-Lift vs. Larin to replace recalled Harbor Freight stands
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- The Harbor Freight jack stand recall made me look for the best budget jack stand with a locking pin. I bought three sets of safety stands to find out.
Here’s the Harbor Freight jack stand recall:
www.nhtsa.gov/...
Here are the jack stands I referenced:
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Esco: amzn.to/3hkruxh
Larin: amzn.to/3hhTUbj
Pro-Lift: amzn.to/3fgP8sz
Torin: amzn.to/3fePwb9
Torin Aluminum: amzn.to/2C0WW3r
I have those same Pro-Lift stands. The build quality on mime are very good. I've used them quite a bit and have had no problems. I always keep the floor jack and the tires under the car for extra safety.
The thing to consider when looking at welds is how it gets in the joint. This isn’t easy to see without destructive testing. A friend of mine was a test technician at a major tractor company in Iowa. He explained this too me when I was a young engineer. They would take cross sections of welds to test their processes. The point being is that a pretty looking weld can actually be trash. This makes it difficult for the consumer to judge the quality of a weld without testing it to yield or cutting a cross section.
Torin must have seen this video, I just bought the 3Ton with locking pin and I must say the welds are very uniform and clean. The pin also now goes in deep to the ratchet tooth giving it way more support than the one shown in this video.
Use tree stumps as your back up. Free.
I have several sizes of Tree Trunks I use for backup, they do a pretty good job until the termites get to them.
Pro lifts are the way to go, very happy with their quality.
I'm considering a set of the six ton pro lift, because not so much of the capacity but for the height my Jack goes up to 24 in if I want to jack up the car to 24 in I want to be able to put a jack stand 24 in"
I looked at quite a few ja k stands recently to replace my recalled hf set. Thanks for your timely information. I may go with your choice
If you get them, I would be interested to hear how the welds look on them.
I have a 3 sets of pro lift, four of the 6 tons for a total lift, and then a spare set of the 3 tons for a backup / safety thing. they have the best welds ive ever seen on them and they also have really good backup locks. 100% recommended.
Thank you very much for pointing out the issues with the Torin. That made up my mind, especially when you compared it to the Pro-Lift. Much Appreciated!!!
Been using the Big Reds for quite a few years, they've been working pretty well and the engagement really improves with weight on them. The slack really gets taken up as soon as the pressure seats the post into the pawl/locking pin.
Fuck jack stands, 6x6 pressure treated cut up in nice chunks can't fail pure confidence inspiring
I have a set of big red 2 ton jack and stand set that I bought at pep boys over 20 years ago and they are still going strong!
Another scary issue is that a "pretty" MIG weld can still be a bad weld. If the welder doesn't stay in the very front of the puddle, the weld will cold lap while still looking visually fine.
It also looks like the Pro-Lift stand welds have quite a bit of porosity to them. Pock marks everywhere.
Just lay another weld on the other side and call it a day. That's what I did
@@Lawtonfl not everyone welds.
You do realize one inch of weld can hold 7 thousand pounds?
The Torins are rated Best In Safety and Most Durable on Amazon. For the people who are saying they are bad, have you actually used them?
Send them to one of the channels that uses hydraulic presses and see how they do. It would be interesting to see how the welds hold up, and if the "good" welds, which some has pointed out not necessarily are good just because they look even, are noticeably worse than the splatter feasts. Also the security pin on the Torin stand look like it would fail easily. With that small an area of engagement I wonder what they were thinking.
On another note I'd be very vary of jack stands made of aluminium. It's a far weaker material than (at least decent) steel, and would have to be made from much thicker material. Only positives I see are weight and that they won't rust. But if you are not transporting them weight isn't that important and I at least tend to store the jack stands inside so rust isn't that big of an issue.
Even before the HF recall. I've had concerns of Jack stands w/o a secondary locking feature. I bought the Torin pair and were beautiful, except had a bubble weld on neck next to the lever. I returned them for another pair. The welds are good, but the painting was light in some areas. I'll go with the good welds and crappy paint. However, now I am having second thoughts and may buy the pro lift as the second pair. Great review, BTW.
I have a fab shop so we build our own stands there just for the guy's they cut them out weld them together use my mill to put the holes in them and we use the lathe to turn pins to go thru the stand we use tool steel for the pin and put to holes in the base just offset from the holes in the top so that u have multiple options on height settings they have been way good
I would like a set with flat bottoms because I have a aspalt driveway
Do you sell them?
No we haven't sold any to the public but maybe we could
Good to see a review of these things. There is so much build quality variation that's it's important to get something safe fro sure. It's wise to buy the best ones, your life depends on it.
I purchased 4 of the PRO-LIFT 6 ton stands after watching this video. The build quality is very good, and the welds are nice. I'm happy with them. Thanks for the review.
Thanks! Just ordered a set of pro-lift
How are the pro-lifts working. I was about to order some.
Back in the 70s and 80s I worked daily under cars on stands. The stands looked worse than these yet never had a failure. I think it was due to better quality material than these days. Course back then, they were all made in the usa.
Those torin stands are no better than harbor freight.
Right..
Seems hit or miss just got my torin 3ton pair today welds are way better, pin engages better, cant move pawl while pin is in like in video, and post doesnt move back and forth as much. I think this new jack scare is very good because the manufactures seems to be lacking in quality control.
@Wade Ryun Yeah, no kidding. How the heck do a lot of these companies think their design for their jack stands are acceptable and safe for use? They have bad welding, such as only having welds on the inside and not both on the inside and outside, and bad safety with loose pawls having small teeth. Blows my mind!
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@@st.michaelthearchangel7774 Its not what the company Thinks that drives these products. The company Only thinks of one thing: MONEY. All companies are like that. The problem is the consumers. If the consumers buy garbage either because they don't know any better or if its all they can afford, then the product will sell if there are not that many alternatives. Think of it like this: Jeep makes nice looking but very poor quality vehicles that attract consumers. Why would Jeep improve the quality of their cars (and I am talking Toyota quality here) if there is a demand for their crappy junky cars? There is no incentive to stop selling junk if that is what people like.
I agree the Torin looks kinda dangerous. Very small engagement on that safety pin.
Pro lift looks like the choice.
I have a set of 4 Craftsman that I've been using for 20+ years without a second thought About time to take a closer look. Thanks for showing us some good options🙂
Im using my 4 ton craftsmans over 20 years! They still look new and perform just fine.
Great timing on this video - I just returned my HF stands yesterday and ordered 2 pairs of the Pro Lift stands from Amazon.
How are the pro lift jack stands working?@
I bought few years . Can I still return ?
@@ace03cobra67 hf stands yes
I wish they made stands like the old screw jacks. They would be completely adjustable, a good fitting acme thread would give consistent engagement, and the build could do away with a lot of these shabby welding fears.
Totally agree. These things hold up houses. Looked for auto/truck applications but couldn't find any so bought the Esco's with axle saddles.
Awesome video! I personally prefer to find used, made in USA, jack stands. I found an awesome pair of Lincoln 5 ton stands for $60 locally. Otherwise, I have the Torin ones for backup or lower applications and I've had no issues in 11 years.
I want to find a set made in the USA. That's how I try to shop these days. Is there a company in the US that still makes them?
Thanks for the great videos. This is good content.
FYI, have the bell notification on for only two people on TH-cam. You and Chris fix. Keep it up. Hope you get just as many subscribers.
Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching.
Jack-stands are like anvils, you need one your entire life. If you get a good set of stands, you will only ever need that one set. Be a baller and get 4. Even paying through the nose is only going to cost you 200 bucks for 4. I see reasons to cheap out on a lot of tools, this doesn't seem like a good area to be thrifty when purchasing.
I'm returning mine to HF tomorrow. What set do you recommend?
Hell yea, you got that right!👍
@@rickdff62 Give these a look. They might be good.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V7W66QG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1VLPNTGGRFAR6&psc=1
@@st.michaelthearchangel7774 Yes. These are what I bought. Heavy as hell, but I will eat dinner with my family tonight.
2 Esdras 4:1-100
I'd avoid the torin stands. I've had the welds and the sheet metal fail on a set of 2 ton jack stands. Just using the two of the jack stands to support half of my car a few times caused them to bend in the legs where the horizontal beam is at the bottom. Me and my friend had to whack them back in shape to be able to use them in the short time I had them. I actually have the Pro-Lift Jack stands you show here and they have been reliable and I had a friend of mine confirmed they were good welds on my set of 4. He said he would get under the car supported by it. The Torins got sent to the scrap yard for the $2 of scrap they were made of. I will never ever buy their jack stands again.
Thanks for posting this comprehensive review with general jack info👍🏽 It looks like Larin took a turn for the worse. I have a set of their ratcheting stands from the '90's purchased at Costco and the build quality seems a lot better than the ones in your vid.
The Pro-Lift look to be the best quality - so long as the vertical butt welds don't fail.
I would still get the HF stands.
"Danger" is my middle name.
I thought your name was The AE-35 Unit?
Your middle name should be “I like pancakes so much, I want to be 1”
Careful, cowboy 😂
Please compare some high quality.Great content. ♥️
Thanks for the kind words.
I can attest to the Esco jack stands. Got myself a set of 4 10498's - the taller set, along with a set of 4 10499's for my dad - the shorter set. Welds are meh, but the pin design, flat saddle, and solidness exuded by these makes me feel so confident being under a car vs traditional ratcheting stands. I also appreciate the large feet on them that don't dig into the ground like traditional stands, plus it's a tripod design, so it never rocks. Well worth the money in my opinion.
35 years ago I built my own. 1 1/2 inch schedule 80 pipe welded to 1/4 inch thick 6 x 6 plate, and 3/16 inch thick triangular gussets at each corner - the adjustable inside pipe is 1 inch schedule 80 with 1/4 inch flat bar top bent into a mild "V". Pins are 1/2 inch, grade 5 with sash chains attached. Overall collapsed height is 10 1/2 inches. Didn't cost me a penny - was an iron worker and used shop scrap. So I say, if you have the material and talent, build your own - if you can't then find someone who does fabricate for a living and hire them to make you a set. Peace of mind insurance.
Don’t have any prolifit jack stands but I do have a small pro lift bottle jack that I used at work. I had on several occasions used a 2’-3’ cheater bar on the handle to get every last bit of pressure of it that I could. I used it pretty regularly for around a year and it’s still holding up great, the base is bowed slightly where I had to much pressure on it inside of pipe, but other than that no complaints.
My set came in a few days ago and and every weld on mine look exceptionally good as well!
2 years ago I bought a QuickJack 5000 and haven't used my jack stands since then.
I feel like I could make some jack stands welded better than those Larins. And I've never welded.
Harbor freight Daytona jack stands are the best bang for your buck right now. Machine beautiful perfect welds. A safety pin that provides additional support. Welded cross bar. They are amazing for the price. Just for the 3 ton during the parking lot sale for $28!! Normally $50. There are review videos breaking down the build quality of them. On a crush test video it beat the pro lift pl3300 at 11,500 pounds! For one same jacks stand. That’s insane. which is the more expensive pro lift version of this one in the video at double the cost.
ProLifts have increased almost $20 since this video was made. Insane 😔
I have the prolift 6 ton double locking stands and the welds on it are pretty good also.
I have the 3 ton aluminum from HF and since it wasn't part of the recall I did not considered replacing them. I will get the pin ones next that's for sure
Same. The blue ones?
@@elderfarms yes
Mr Merhtin I just bought the same ones two days ago and I was fixing to return it but now I think I’m going keep it if you don’t mind how good they working I’m planing to used in a 1/2 ton truck and a Tahoe do you think it will handle the weight thanks in advance
@@josevaldivia1454 I wouldn't risk it, with these safety things I would rather go over kill double the tons needed and if you are ok with buying used then buy non harbor freight used steel ones. My jacks have only been used with a '99 Camry and a '12 Prius C. (also I remember once trying to pick up just the front of a '99 Expedition with the 1.5 ton Pittsburgh floor jack and it couldn't do it) An Expedition or Tahoe are 2.2 ton to 2.6 tons at the most. By the end of the year I will like an Expedition or Suburban, I will replace my jack stands for 4 ton ones and the 3 ton Jack at a minimum. For that peace of mind and being able to reach it without over extending the jack stands or floor jack (I will not use wood planks to help the floor jack reach because the car could slip off)
@@mrmerhtin3625 thank you for the info I will take back and buy different ones have good day
Another good video... The pro lift is a nice looking stand
The Esco Stands i would totaly try them
I've got a few sets of the big red stands that are a few years old. on mine you can't release the pall with the pin in place. I wonder if that's a quality issue on yours along with the very shallow almost non existent pin engagement.
I was wondering if it was just his pair… so does the pin work the same way as the pro lift ones? is there enough engagement of the pin with the teeth?
Great video! Answered many of my questions.
Thanks for watching.
I love my pro lift jack stands.
Good review. I just bought a pair of 6 ton Torin BIG RED jack stands. First time owning jack stands. I come across this tab on the stand so that the ratchet bar don't come out. Mind making a video on that and if ratchet bar is replaceable?
I'm debating between the Pro-lift vs the newer Harbor Freight. The new HF the lock pin engages the next post for additional support. Your thoughts on the new HF stands?
Excellent Review....
Thank you....
I will get better quality stands for sure maybe the pro lifts. But even with them I will still keep the jack under the car while lifted and the wheel under. Redundancy may save you from a horrible death.
I always avoided the ratcheting jack stands, preferring the ones with pins. But it's been a long time since I worked on a car, and I'm not sure I will again - new cars seem to require equipment that costs as much as the car to work on them.
The pro lift pin design is very nice
Esco 10498 are rate 3 ton EACH with a better height range than all of these and better adjustability. $50-60 each. 21.5" max height.
Nice video! If I were to replace my Harbor Freight set, I’d go with the Jasco’s or similar. But I use jack stands less than ten times a year, so it’s not a priority. I don’t understand, though, why more jack stands don’t offer a flat platform, as the Jasco’s do. That is a much better design for today’s cars.
Build some wooden jack stands instead. They can be built wider to make them more stable and designed so you can put your jack in the middle so that you can jack at the pinch weld and support your car there at the same time.
Love the reviews brother!
I got a set of the torin 6 ton aluminum jack stands. They are pretty much perfect except 2 things. Pin design so very secure. They dont raise as high. I think fully extended its only 10 inches which sucks imo. Especially if you have an SUV. The other shortcoming is the design of the saddle. Its a small saddle so some jacking points dont fit very well.
Hello, How come you never mention or test how STRONG the pin is? The pin is the only thing that hold ton(s) of weight, right? Thanks
It's funny you post this because I just returned my hf Jack stands and bought the Larin locking pin ones you have here. Not much can go wrong with those and honestly I think they cause less frustration than the ratcheting ones anyway...
Have you received your Larin stands? How do they look compared to the set I got? Similar quality welds?
I wouldn't trust those welds on the Larin stands with my life!
@@ToolTeardowns the welds on my stands don't look too terrible. They aren't aesthetically pleasing, but the beads are pretty flat, which indicates to me that they probably have good penetration. But that's just my amateur welder opinion..
I'm not too scared to use them because I think the most common point of failure is going to be the locking mechanism and it doesn't get more secure than a good old fashioned pin. I would never put 3 tons per stand on them, though, as they recommend. Also, I got my stands on sale at Fleet Farm for around 30 bucks earlier this week.
are there any American made jack stands?
Im using my 20 year old craftsman jackstands just fine but if i needed anymore jackstands i would just buy the Husky brand.
Your not alone. I searched for jack stands videos because I don’t trust the ratcheting style either and plan to replace my Big Red stands.
I won’t buy Torin again or any company that sells ratcheting style stands because I feel they aren’t concerned about the safety of their customers
The welded flat bottoms are important to me, they dont sink into hot pavement easy.. I hate the Daytona ones from HF, not good welded bottoms on the corners compared to my other china ones.
The pro lift welds are very nice👌
Got the black jack from wally world, hope they're ok.
I've been curious about the Torin Black Jacks. Almost bought them. How are they holding up?
the pro lift 3 ton jack stands seem no longer available, have you tried to omega lift jack stands? they are also from shin fu america, i wonder if they don't have to same issue the big red ones have w/ the slack in space w/ the locking pin and teeth
What about making wooden risers?
All this talk about failing jack stands has me paranoid so I equipped my 30+ year old jack stands with throttle return springs to insure that the lever stays engaged even when bumped. I have no idea when I'll need them but now they're safer. Dorman #29006 (2pcs) and a little bending and cutting to fit.
ESCO stands model# 10498 or 10499. 3 tons EACH stand. High quality product
I have the aluminum torin jack stands ease of use have locking pin has a small ball detent to prevent walk out of pin
I need a set. I'm going to find some with pins however I want to find American made stuff.
I cut the pawl down to about an inch long. I don't know why them make them so long and exposed to be kicked or accidentally triggered.
Those Larin stands look identical to a pair of 2 ton Duralast jack stands I bought at AutoZone over a decade ago.
US Jack is my top choice.
I'm familiar with them, but they don't have a pin.
Tool Teardowns if a pin is an absolute requirement, you can also look at variants from Sunex, Omega, and Hein Werner. I’d personally go save money on other tools, but i don’t like to skimp on lift equipment.
Taiwan is not China.
You said that all three were made in China, but Shinn Fu is in Taiwan, not China. There is, in my opinion, a huge difference in materials quality, on average.
Shinn Fu is based in Taiwan, but the stand is not made in Taiwan. The Pro-Lift stands are made in China.
@@ToolTeardowns I stand corrected!
Wouldn't peening in that tab on the side keep anybody from fully extending the jack stand like you were concerned about? I agree that that's bad practice, but that's the primary purpose of that tab (right?).
Also, I saw another video that was praising the architecture of jack stands that had an extra bar (for lack of a better word) all the way around the bottom of the jack stand, to have one more safety mechanism in case one of those welds down the sides give way under too much pressure. Care to comment on that? It made sense to me, but it looks like stands with that kind of build (e.g., US Jack) are all on the pricey side.
And finally, regarding the per vs. pair question you brought up, I found this, for what it's worth:
"The ASME PASE-2014 (Safety Standard for Portable Automotive Service Equipment) states that jack stands must be rated as a pair and not rated per stand. This became effective in late December of 2015. It also states: “Maximum load capacity per matched pair shall not exceed the rated capacity of the individual stand”."
Hope this helps, and thanks for the excellent and informative video!
The tab prevents you from completely removing the post. I was warning people against using any stands on the tallest setting, which is when they're the least stable.
Because the jack stands' total tonnage support is for EACH PAIR of jack stands. Based on the video, basic thinking would be to buy a PAIR of jack stands that support TWICE the weight of your car. So, if your car is 6000lbs (3 tons) in weight, you would NOT want to buy a 3-ton PAIR of jack stands. If one fails, the other will, because the other one can't handle 3-ton of weight by itself. You would want to buy a 6-ton PAIR of jack stands!
Great video as always 👍 👌
Spend the money and buy the US jack usa made jack stands. Very high quality and a great design
I'm familiar with them, but they don't have a locking pin.
@@ToolTeardowns thats true, but they don't need one. They use a double locking design which makes it very secure. I have a pair of the 6 tons, I love them.
Good review. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing very helpful
Actually the new harbor freight replacement stands look pretty decent. I watched a video about shitty welds on the inside where they can split, but mine was welded properly.
I wish they would offer a pin jack stand. I don't know why so few companies offer them.
@@ToolTeardowns make it?
Don't forget HF just issued a recall on the replacement stands for the frame splitting at the weld. If your budget allows just get the Esco's - they're great.
@@ToolTeardowns because everyone buys the cheapest jackstands they can. If consumers wanted a premium version someone would make them.
I'd like some confirmation all these stands are built in the same factory?
I like the hyper tough Walmart ones but they’re only 2 ton.
Nice video. Like you, I just don't like ratchet stands - not enough tooth engagement for my liking especially considering the recent HF recalls (2). I just bought the Esco pin stands that are rated at 3 tons EACH, so 6 tons a pair. The post is solid not hollow and the welds are pretty good with no foot wobble on the 3 legged design which is supported with extra struts all the way around. I don't mind spending a little over a $100/pair when it comes to my safety and don't think twice about getting under my Tacoma P/U with these.
Can these be used without the rubber stand? My cars use pinch welds so I see it basically cutting the rubber in half in no time
@@npolite1 what was the solution? Did it cut the rubber?
@@MalcombMedia1 I went with the US Jacks instead. A little more money but I liked them because they don't use the rubber on top and they are close to flat as well.
I ordered the Pittsburg series 2, 3 tons 2 pairs, it's been back ordered for like a month, just got an email, they still dont know the ship date, so I just cancelled the order. I'm probably gonna get aluminum pin style jacks, F it. Who knows how long it'll take to ship out 2 pairs. I know Pittsburgh has a lifetime warranty but whatever, I'm tired of waiting, I want to work on my car.
I've order green arcan stands off Amazon . Th arcans have no locking pin and looks very similar to the torin. The teeth on the cast piece are short and gives me the feeling they aren't enough to engage properly. Also it wobbles just as the torins. Made in India 🙄
Can u review the new daytona jack stand from harbor freight
I did. Check out my other videos.
I got the pro lift stand very good quality for a chinesse product at amazon 2655 a pair
Great video, your voice reminds me of John Mulaney 😁
cast forged, forged is forged right?
I don’t have receipts anymore will they take them back
i just made a followup video: a comparison of the pro-lift vs omega lift 3 ton, locking pin jack stands. (th-cam.com/video/ktVrx1vtJ5k/w-d-xo.html) i wanted to compare welds and pin engagement, since the pro-lift stands were in and out of availability, and the price was jumping up to $56 a pair, while omega lift was $46 a pair. since then the price of the pro-lift went back down to $37, but i made the comparison video and pro lift and omega lift 3 ton locking pin jack stands look identical. they're both made by shinnfu, hope this helps!
I have aluminum torin I like them but saddle is kinda small
Here because of my recalled hf
I have 6 ton ford stands as well as 12 ton Ford Stands I also have 3 ton old school craftsman jack stands have held up amazingly i would pick the grey pro lift stands as well as the torin in aluminum stands as well as the Esco stands
I bought me 2 pair from Amazon also (big red) about 2 months ago. Mine didn't have the pins inserts though. That hole wasn't there.
How do the welds look on yours compared to the ones I have?
@@ToolTeardowns welds look great, I'm glad you posted this video, a big thank you👍👍
I’ve had the Amazon basic “6 ton” reds for over a year and they look good to me. I bought 2 pairs. All pretty consistent surprisingly.
Are these jack stands safe to use????? I’m In need of jack stands, but the harbor Freight recall is making me worry about all jack stands... I need to know if these are safe ?
a c the pins are added safety. I would say get ebsco stands though.
I just spent the extra money and bought me a set of jack stands from u.s. jacks,made in America too.🇺🇲🇺🇲
Is there anywhere to purchase online or at least look at the price? Their website doesn’t say much.