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i was actually sad when i realised the video was ending! i could watch an hour of you upgrading on your vehicle!
Your shear enthusiasm for building 4x4 trucks is inspiring. Each time you film a new series of building a new rig you get physically giddy on film and we love it that after all the years you still get that excited!!
Love the DLR lights and switching set up. The sound deadening absolutely transforms these thing in terms of comfort.
Almost 200k subs!! I enjoy a lot of offroad channels but this is definitely the most cinematic off road channel. Love your builds and adventures, awesome job!
The seats and front grill look superb! Honestly think this is thus far the best build!!
Loving this build so much
Have had my Falken WildPeak AT3s on my FZJ80 for about 3 years now. Love them. Low road noise, great in the snow and rain and handled off road perfectly fine in my area. Will test them out in April on my next 4x4 outing. Cheers.
Hey Andrew nice build, I am loving the info you are providing beyond the usual aftermarket provider. Stuff like sound insulation and speaker upgrades, never seen that before in 4WD!
Great choice of sun glasses. My William Painters have proven to be pretty indestructible and the integrated bottle opener is genius.
Hey Andrew loving the build I believe there is a great in between tyre the Cooper st max which is between the st(all terrain) and stt (mud terrain) I personally have never had them I’ve run and have always run BFG because the have never let me down and if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. But saying that have a few friends with the st max who I know are very happy
Well done Three Nads, love these build vlogs, helps me plan for my own. Cheers mate.
Great job .👍
We have an Enerdrive 200 amp Lithium battery in our van. Very expensive but well worth it.
Andrew - There is a hybrid type tyre - The Mickey Thompson ATZ P3 is halfway between a muddy and an All Terrain.
Thanks for the deep dive into the AGM vs Lithium. Too few people have a good understanding of the lifecycle costs and benefits of paying more up front for the lithium. Loving this build and looking forward to the next steps.
my tip for lighting. Check out the Philips Ultinon LED globe inserts for the actual headlights. Best thing I've done for my vehicle, especially after I fitted my LED lightbar. More balanced light colour now too, half the current requirement and much much brighter then halogens. I haven't looked into if Hella have any equivalent halogen replacement LED globe inserts, but I dare say they would too.
Enjoyed this one more than the intercooler scoop video!
Regarding your comment on type of tyre @18:20. I recently put Nitto RIDGE Grapplers on my Land Rover. They are a cross between an all-terrain and mud-terrain like you said you were looking for. Great off-road performance and very good on-road up to about 75 mph before some noise is noticeable.
I love how this is you going in deep on building your tourer. Previously it felt like the only successful way to build one was through a specialized 4x4 shop. For me on a tight budget this was awesome!!!
Love that you're running the Falken's! I run them and think they're one of the best! Hope they live up to your expectations.
Ive been trying to steer clear of electrical equipment (keep it simple stupid), but you are changing my mind on the lithium batteries! Very impressive! Thanks!
I live in Perth and I have a Big Red Ranger px1. Good to see a local! 🍻👍
Andre, just noticed the intake for your intercooler is facing the wrong way!
You mean Andrew, right?
You are a great inspiration . glad to say i have had the pleasure of meeting you back in joburg . i hope to have my Cruiser built soon and create alot of roadtrip memories with my wife and kids . thanks for all you great videos and tutorials
Many tire companies make the "hybrid" between the mud and all terrain. Cooper, Mickey Thompson etc. I run the Mickey Thompson hybrid on my 4Runner and so far it's the best tire I've ever run, after years of running BFG and the like.
Going to takle the electrical part of my build and the point of the multicore cable it's actually pretty smart.
Loving the build especially the big DIY focus
The tyre and wheel combination looks great - so glad to see the move away from white lettering!
I like the white lettering! Kinda bummed companies dont give the option any more.
@@MichaelRCarlson It don't belong no more bud, unless you own a 70s muscle car!
There is a tyre inbetween mud and all terrain, its "Toyo" ruggered terrain, not as aggressive as a muddy but a little more than an all terrain, I had the same question about 3 months ago and the guys at Tyrepower bibra lake were a great help
Wonderful build Andrew................looking forward to much more and see you Sunday from the USA!
Well done Andrew. You’re doing things right. Always an enjoyable watch.
Andrew, FYI - Nitto Ridge Grapplers are hybrid all terrain/mud terrain tires. I've been running them for 10k miles and they're holding up nicely.
Pretty similar to my build only I'm sponsored by eBay, aliexpress and Maxspeedingrods
great! that's exactly what i was waiting for. i've been following your videos for quite some time now, here in germany there are many people who build an overlander (yes, even here in such a small country :) ), but you can clearly see how little the local experience is for such a build. i'm currently planning my overlander based on my dream car the defender 110 and i'm looking forward to getting inspiration from your build! especially the topic with the multi-core cables is very interesting, thanks for the tip! have fun and success with your conversion and always a good ride!
The best "hybrid" Tyres out there are the Cooper ST Maxx and the Mickey Thompson ATZ P3!! they both have an additional Armored sidewall and are the best of both worlds.
Thank you Andrew for these video's.
I am interested in how your spot lights are with the reflection against sign post. i am in the process of setting up my own vehicle and looked at the Hella lights when i saw your last video.
Love your work.
Ah vehicle lighting, one of my biggest bugbears for road vehicles here in Europe. DRL's have been compulsory here in Europe since 2011, the problem is that many drivers leave putting on their headlamps at low light levels as they do not appear to realise that although they have DRL's at the front, they have no illumination at the back. The next thing that annoys me is the reliance on automatic lights, unfortunately the sensors work on ambient light levels and so do not switch the headlamps on, and therefore also the rear lights, when there is low visibility due to fog or rain but the ambient light level is quite bright. Talking about fog, the next thing that annoys me is rear fog lights and their (mis)use, here in Germany it is illegal to switch on the rear fog lamps when visibility is above 50m and also if it is raining or the road surface is wet, and so reflects the light, but a lot of people do not appear to know this. The other thing is, I believe that the use of rear fog lamps lull following vehicles in to a false sense of security so that they a) drive faster than they should and b) hang on to the car in front. I believe that the main light switch should only have 2 positions - I) The lights are off when the ignition is off, dipped headlamps and rear lights come on when the ignition is switched on, II) Parking lights are on with the ignition is off and again dipped beam and rear lights come on when the ignition is switched on. Well that's it for my moan!
I have had very good luck with General grabber X3 in 33x12.5r 18. Excellent in snow, mud, and sand. Have had no issues in rain. I have 50,000 miles on them and they are wearing well. With the exception of one tire starting to wear slightly out of round.
Southern Nevada offroading and back country - I like mine as well, little over 24k on my 9,500# Power Wagon. Even did respectfully well on the beach in Mexico last week.
Great looking build. I am running the Wildpeaks as well on my Discovery 2. Love them and I know the self internal conflict of AT vs MT :). I know they are part of the tire pressure monitoring but if you run any rocky terrain ever you are going to clip one of the tire valves and loose all your air right quick. Go rubber Love your channel!
Please, please promise with all the work you're putting into this thing, the camper unit won't make it look like a great dane humping a whippet, as so many end up looking like!
Such a perfect description
Bahahaha grouse
@Clarence I certainly have, & that last thing he tried to bolt on the back of a 79 was an obese monstrosity of a thing, which really makes me fear the same fate awaits this now it's a bit bigger with a band-aid GVM uprate & he's using the same company..
What camper unit would satisfy your aesthetic preferences?
@@Memovox If I had to have a 79 I'd ditch the tray & have a walkthrough composite body like this from Mulgo at Expedition Centre. The Europeans do this kind of thing regular & there's no reason to not do it here on a dedicated tourer. Would probably be lighter than a standard tray & camper unit too. facebook.com/237295279721241/posts/1414049012045856/
There are a few companies offering tyres between AT and MT these days. I myself am running Toyo Open Country RT's. No issues on our cape york trip last year, or driving around central west Qld where I live. They are fairly quiet on the highway as well.
Best build on TH-cam.
Mickey Thompson ATZ P3...in my opinion, very close to a hybrid MT x AT tyre
I have these, Mickey Thompson's own brochures advertise them as between an AT / MT, I find them to be quiet enough on the highway, heaps of grip everywhere I've needed it.
@@IsaacTorres_AU just expensive :*(
@@Evenstephenss Cheaper than BFG KO3s in 285 70 17s at the time
Settled on Falken Wilpeaks for my Toyota 4Runner. Very impressed with them.
Thank you for the info on Lithium Batteries !
Hi Andrew. You mentioned about having a tyre between a mud tyre and all terrain. There are a couple of Hybrids. Nitto Ridge Grappler and Toyo RT
@4x4overland Toyo open country R/T is an hybrid between the M/T and the AT2
" The Open Country Rugged Terrain (Open Country R/T) 4x4 tyre from Toyo Tires is a next-generation 4WD tyre that combines the extreme puncture-resistance and strength of an M/T with the long-wearing compound and sealed road performance of an A/T to service the emerging ‘hybrid’ tyre category"
Very keen to see how you fare with the Falkens. I have seen two seperate videos that experienced slippage on sandy rock outcrops that I feel should not have happened with other tires that I have used in similar conditions.
There is a tire between an AT and a MT, there called a Hybrid, Look at something like the Nitto Ridge Grappler. I run them and love them.
Did any of you tested Dunlop’s Grand Trek AT3? I don’t do very extreme off road but I’m impressed on how they work on my Pajero.
Toyo also make the R/T's which are another good hybrid!
Nitto Ridge grapplers are an awesome hybrid tyre...
Love your work Andrew. I'm a Kiwi coming to live in Australia next month and looking forwards to a few road trips. Never has a 4wd before but have plenty of adventure motorcycling experience (so I know how to pack light!)
Are you getting away from Jacinda?
@@therealdjt532 We couldn't possibly deprive deserving Australians of Scott Morrison. 🤔
PLenty of open space for a few road trips. watch the roos :)
Another one.
Dude have to say you are ticking all the boxes on what I want to do to my landcruiser in the near future hopefully 👏🏻🔥
Oh how this build excites me! Have fun, because this part is the real fun.
Kumho MT 51 tyres are called mixed terrain in between All terrain and Mud terrain . I am running 31 x 10.5 x 15 on my LN106 Hilux and I am happy with them.
I'm going to check the extra fuse boxes in a Friends Land Cruiser if it's there, will answer the rest tomorrow... It's nice to know about that... Everytime I look for one of your videos I learn something useful.
rules of thumb LiIon battery discharge :
"1 C" - that means it can be discharged by the same amount it delivers current.
So a 100 Ah 12 Volt LiFePo can be discharged w/o problems by 100A!
An AGM starter battery, 100Ah 12V, usually can be discharged by 700 - 800A! for a short! time, like starting.
Some more modern Lifepo can be discharged by 2C - but this still is not an alternative.
you can charge your starter battery though, before using the starter one.
Awesome Andrew ! I love that my build is almost complete, however looking towards completion it makes me want to start all over again ! Love the process of building a new truck 😁👍🏼
I'd say there are a few tires close to that combo of MT and AT. Goodyear Duratrac, Nitto Ridge Grappler, Milestar Patagonia
Really enjoyed this video and I like the direction of the project. Excited to see whats happening in the rear seat space? I forsee a drawer system of sorts which is exciting.
One of the few people I like listening to talk about batteries, even though I don't have a car.
Nitto has released an inbetween tyre - the ridge grappler
Same with Toyo with their RT's, Sits in between the AT II's and the MT's
And yokohama x-at
And maxxis razr
Also Cooper Discoverer S/T MAXX
Pedro Silva yuck
Andrew - Was looking at Bob Towery's truck today at church, and particularly the K02's on it. Told him about my '85 F250 set up for overlanding and that I'm needing to replace the tires and that I'm looking at K02's and WildPeak A/T3W's. He said he only uses BFG's. Then in the conversation he mentioned your channel and suggested I take a look. I have and found this episode where you mounted the A/T3W's. What a coincidence!
So, what do you think of the tires now, 2 1/2 years on?
This is great stuff 👍👍👍👍👍 You show and you talk about it all. But most important you explain it all.
I think this build is going to be the ultimate. Can't wait to see what you've done next.
Hey Andrew, as usual, another excellent video with lots of very good advice. I would like to comment on your explanation of how Lithium Batteries discharge. I ride an e-bike with a lithium battery and the discharge "curve" is not level at all, never has been. It is more like a parabolic curve where the closer I get to full discharge the faster the voltage falls off, but falls very slowly at the beginning. I do have an LCD screen that shows the voltage falling off just like a LA battery but not at an almost 45 degree straight line of decrease like a LA. Cheers
Love the detail you go into on these vids. Toyo have a cross between a mud and all terrain its a rugged terrain. I have them on my 79 and so far so good. Cheers Graeme
A few companies offer "hybrid " tires in North America. They are usually with dual lug patterns on the tread. A nice compromise between tire noise and off road performance
I love my Wild Peak's on my 2010 Tundra, I have about 40k miles (US) on them and they're about 50% tread left. I only got about 50k out of the BFG KO2's that come on them, they also right a lot better than the KO2's.
18:20 Toyo "open country R/T" is a hybrid tire between M/T and A/T. Nice build
If you are looking for a tire between all and mud terrain try the Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac. I am very pleased with mine. I find your videos excellent.
Mickey Thompson ATZ P3 try those.. running them in a 35” on my 200
iam running Toyo R/T . they are in between mud and a A/t. very strong tyre and weights about twice that of a BFG or equivalent .
great video, love the builds ... Toyo R/T is another in between option.
@4xoverland very good video and the front of that ride is one of the best looking trucks i've ever seen!!!! On the lithium vs agm batteries, i think you should also consider the charging and battery monitors, these are most expensive that regular ones too.
Best regards and wishes from Uruguay, South America!!!!
I am 100% with you on the insulation sound proofing but my question or concern is, will that rubber foam layer hold water.
I believe in the video he said it was “closed cell” foam which means it shouldn’t retain water. The “open cell” foam will though.
What an interesting episode! Really enjoyed the technical detail here Andrew.
personally if I were going to play about with 100amp bats I would run 4 as house a 1-2 crank just because you might be electrically isolated from charging doesn't mean you are electrically isolated between house and house and crank batts
Main reason I was suggesting a 6x6 in the last video as it gives you a margin of space you don't typically get in single/double utes..
I know you did 6x6 tour drive though i would love to see you do a 6x6/8x8/8x4 build and drive may be even look at mounting a troopy on the back of a 70 series ute from the firewall back..
When are you going to change your bonnet scoop?
I know that impatient feeling,its hard man.Enjoy the build Bud.
What a gorgeous LandCruiser. So frustrating to not have them in north America. Had a h2 HJ60. It was so slow and bouncy XD
Hi Andrew, Toyo have the OPEN COUNTRY RT and Nitto have the RIDGE GRAPPLER which are a hybrid between a mud and all terrain tyre :)
The Toyo RT is an in between tyre (hybrid). More aggressive than an all-terrain but not as chunky as a mud tyre.
Andrew, the front profile of this vehicle, ARB bullbar, Hella lights etc. Looks outstanding... 1 question though are you going to wrap it? or id that for another episode.
It’s just looking so nice! Your previous videos with the land cruiser in Africa plus this one, it’s just what I’m doing right now, but somehow you’re doing it far quicker!! Hahhaa
Thanks Andrew again!
Dream Tourer... there is no better way to call this project. Go ahead Andrew!!!
Man you are living your life according to your wishes. Me when I save money to buy a vehicle of my choice, then I have no cash left for tiny mods. I prefer keeping my car stock without adding any worthless weight of ARB bumpers or unstable lift kits. The only mods I prefer is diff lockers and a little bit big tyres and great sound system.
Andrew
Have you noticed the Falken Tyres to be hard to balance. A few people I know and myself they seem to have a flat spot in the mornings until they get warm .
Very informative. Great video cant wait to see it finished
Come on... Keep the videos coming! Really enjoying this build so far. Hi from SA
So excited for this series! Great work as always.
Great videos as always! Love the way you meticulously build and prepare your vehicles ! We graduated from the same build school :) Can you please do a list of the products you use on your build on your description of the videos? Or, where else can we go to find the list? Thanks in advance!
Thanks for posting such a detailed video, I could watch this all day, such good content 😎
Great content Andrew, one thing I always think is worth mentioning is the LiFePO4 Lithium Batteries also behave differently in a fire situation. Hopefully, you never get in that situation due to a quality electrical installation. But, if you do have an electrical fire you need a specialist fire extinguisher that contains Graphite based dry powder, that forms a crust over the battery and starves it of oxygen. A normal dry powder extinguisher used on vehicles is not as effective as a specialist extinguisher for lithium batteries. Using water could be fatal.
New technologies in these batteries almost completely eliminate the risk of fire.
@@4xoverland Thanks for the explanation, I'm sure you've researched them thoroughly. Good luck with the build.
Awesome show. Planning the big lap in June. Looking for a troop carrier to convert in Perth.
Allegedly the Cooper ST Maxx is halfway between AT and MT. Haven’t tried them myself though.
Please Andrew hurry up ! Can't wait for the next video !
Never have the idea to come back in Europe by the road accross countries to demonstrate how good yours vehicles are? ( would be funny to see you IRL if you come to Belgium ^^ )
I have used that closed cell foam on my truck, its good for sound, but when you water in the cab, it is a nightmare to get the water out. The foam acts like a sponge and holds onto the water
David Attenborough of cars :)
Omg you are reading my mind lol
I recall you didn't prefer the wider tyre on your trip from the east to west coast. Why have you selected the 285/75R16 for this build?
Andrew, i have had sevral sets of falkens and my current set is being looked at by falken for an admitted batch issue. Problem with the base rubber ripping off once worn to a point.
Good day Andrew. There is a tyre that is marketed as between AT and MT. Cooper Discoverer Maxxi ST if I have it correct now. Will have to find the advert.
I have Wild Peaks and they are a great tyre and excellent ride.
Yep, I had the Wildpeak AT01s on my HZJ75RV touring rig and now the AT3Ws. They are a severely under-rated brand and tyre. Great on on tarmac, good on icy roads (NSW, VIC snowfields), OK in snow, very good on wet roads, wet/dry gravel.
Mud performance is compromised though, being an AT tire. Very good, smooth quiet ride too considering the LT construction.
I enjoy your build and I can see you do too, I am learning a lot thanks Andrew
Hello.
I would rather put a three-spoke steering wheel with buttons and front seats with ventilation from the Land Cruiser 200 second restyling than putting music on an SUV. Especially since it always has to get up a bolt-on ....
Love your videos!! Cannot wait to see the finished product!!
Awesome another build series! Great work Andrew 👌🏽🍻