I double checked the spec sheet I was sent and they say “185kg kerb weight (without fuel)” so I guess the 199kg for the Himalayan is with fuel? My bad but also just going off the info they gave me which is a bit misleading. Also it definitely says in the UK press release that the Tripper comes as standard, so perhaps it’s different across other markets? Either way I’ll pin your comment for others to see re the weight 👍👍👍
Triumph could buy the entire stock, repaint them (so that’s a special edition, don’t you know) and sell for 3x the price. Form, function and cool - awesome job RE
Always a jealous " Triumph hater " in every RE comment section LOL .. as with everything you get what you pay for if you want low spec low performance high regularity service intervals go for the cheap RE option if not you look elsewhere .
Not so sure there. 3x is what £15000. Which gets you a 1200cc scrambler fully spec or a Rally Pro 900. Both have significantly more tech and quality. However I do like this new RE and am moving to a country where I will be considering it
@MICHAEL JOHNSON J Oh! Looks like we got a tough guy here. Why don't you spread some of yer rootin' tootin' knowledge. 1-why so down, Mike? 2-what's your better-picture bike? 3-sounds to me you are an expert on shit. 4-y'all learn that yerself or did step-dad beat it into you?
I had a gold coloured one of those, one of my all time favourite bikes. Am 63 now had over 40 bikes. Loved the 2 stroke and off road ability. 0-60 was as fast as my mates ho da cb360. At the time it felt fast. I have gone back to a smaller bike i can thrash and red line which takes me back to my younger days. Modern bikes have unneeded power that is electronically controlled. If they still made that dt175 I would buy one. I think this is ugly compared to the yamaha. Itest rode a himalayan but just too slow for me, also tried an interceptor which i liked. Why dont they put the 650 engine in this.? Even if just an option for Europe or US as I realise the asian market are lower cc. Great effort by re who are not skanking people like overpriced triumphs
I too am 63 yo and I have the same tastes in his as you have indicated. Can't count how many I've had over the years. My favorite enduros were my two 1975 Yamaha DT400s and my two Yamaha XT500s. Simple, cheap, easy to work on (fixed my DT400 shifter pawl broken spring with a rusty carburetor spring in a field once). Not like a lot of these fugly, expensive electronic wonders.. The older bikes just look better.
I honestly love this. I still have a soft spot for my Himalayan, it was a fun single will loads of character, it was genuinely a blast off the pavement. The low down weight, the gear ratio, and torque on offer, it all just hit the sweet spot for me. Sometimes you don't need to change something when you've hit that mark already. I look at this and imagine being 17 again, with a passion for Scramblers, Sleds and Trackers, without a bulging piggy bank, but wanting to buy new and carry that RE name. This nails it. I've got their Meteor on loan at the moment, and love the cockpit, Tripper and just the nature of a single. I don't think any other manufacturer comes close in terms of accessibility, affordability and sheer value for money. I could honestly imagine owning one alongside my Scram 1200, as a commuter and back lane hacker. RE are smashing it. The only downside for me, would be the drop in ground clearance, and lack of a bench seat option.
Absolutely lovely bike. Great for me in the country and i,m approaching 70 years young. Great introduction to this Royal Enfield motorcycle. I would take any but my pick is the black and silver tank version.
I didn’t like this at first, but it’s growing on me and would suit my preference for back roads and light trails. I really need to sit on a Himalayan to make sure my 6 foot frame doesn’t dwarf the bike.
Im just about 6 foot tall and 210lbs and I couldn't even flat foot a himalayan. Its a super tall bike. I feel like the scram being a little shorter might be the best bet
Man that’s a hard choice. I was seriously getting ready to pull the trigger this week on a Himalayan, but now I’m perplexed and need to think this all over again. The 411 is sharp looking. Also I would have no problem taking that thing off road over small jumps, or even cruising back roads that are dirt or gravel for ten miles straight! I honestly think I’m gonna hold of on the Himalayan and go with the 411. I’m so glad I found this video. #RoyalEnfield #BritishOldSchoolBikes.
Bought a scram 411, great for scenic highways, and back roads (dirt/gravel) the comfort of the seat was a major decision maker as I enjoy day trips (100-200 miles). This is my 2nd RE (meteor supernova), wanted something of dirt/gravel roads
The other main changes include, the handlebar now sits 60mm lower and brought 20mm closer to the rider and the headlight position is lowered a little bit as compared to the himalayan, and the suspension is little bit tweaked to match the scram nature and also the ABS is now not switchable which is unlike himalayan
Like the Himalayan but now, at 73 years old, I think I'd like the new Scram 411. Mostly small town and rural roads for me. At 6'3" tall, the loss of a little seat height might be a bit different but hopefully not a problem. Also, loved my big bikes, 650s up to 1200s but those days are gone for me. I just want something to cruise around on with a little back road riding once in a while. Thanks for your great review.
It's nice, better than the himalayan, but they could have made it look a little better. It's a bit of a half arsed job. Just a smidge more effort in styling, maybe a better looking exhaust, flatter seat and a special tank, could have made it look far nicer and completely separated it from the himalayan. At that price, I'd rather buy a used himalayan and scrambler it myself! Now, if they made a scrambler 350!........
Looks interesting as I wouldn't be using one for anymore than some easy trail/ backroads exploring I wouldn't feel comfortable doing on my CB500F with its fat 17"inch front wheel. I'm also interested to see difference between change over price CB500X. Red and white looks pretty snappy. At present in Australia, petrol is at $2.20 AUD - higher in the regions. A 19" front wheel appeals to me a lot more than a 21".
Royal Enfield really seem to know their market and just keep delivering. I'm sure this will be another huge success. The Silver Spirit colourway would be my choice.
So they design this one to be more road friendly but there's no windscreen, no fuel gauge? .....Wait.. What? They should have a Grey/Black version for people that don't like colorful motorcycles, making the black trim/lettering reflective. When I run Royal Enfield things will change.....LOL!!
A few points I would like to make. First my background: riding for almost 60 years and a Honda BMW Ducati dealer since 1979. That said in your reviews I would like fuel capacity taken into consideration when giving curb weight. I want to know if a bike has tube type tires. I want to know if valve stems are readily acceptable ( Honda is bad about this ). I also want to know if a bike has a hydraulic clutch ( MotoGP bikes have this for a reason). And lastly ( but important ) does a bike have a center stand, if not is it available as an option. Hope you read this, if so thank you for your time. I also greatly enjoy your reviews. One of if not the best in my opinion, David Bodden
Oh, almost 60 years riding! Well, well. Is that riding a wee scooter around grandad's farm on sunny summer Sunday afternoons? Maybe you mean well, but appealing to self and time as an authority-here, is irrelevant. I would trust a kid of 1-2 years that tears it up, builds his own bike and eats bugs vs yer 60. Clear?
FAO MotoBob... Thinking out aloud... Would love to see Amazon Prime do a motorbike version of the Grand Tour headed by Richard Hammond and MotoBob. Touring the world and setting ridiculous but entertaining challenges, bike reviews, history of bikes etc would in my opinion be a hit show for sure!
I had the himalayan and must say it has bags of character. However it was let down with some quality issues, headstock bearings not greased properly and failed at 12k miles. Rusting pannier rails within 1yr, gear selector sensor failure and misting cloak issue twice. RE were impossible to contact and poor dealer support. If you buy make sure you gat a good dealer there are some out there and don't be put off by the Hp stats it's a great engine and will pull 2 up on long journeys Hope they have improved the quality
Bikewale of India stated that they are in touch with credible source within RE that they are going with a 450 cc Himalayan with 40 to 45 bhp and liquid cooled with a 6 speed gearbox maybe released in 2023 It is named as project K1 as it's a new engine model. Re want to play it safe by making a 450 Himmy before a 650, as it will be a too heavy. They want to give a similar power of 650 with a 450 and try to keep the weight as low as possible. The main issue with the Himalayan in European and American markets is that they want Himalayan to have atleast 40 or 50 bhp with similar amount of tourqe. So naturally they wanted the RE twins engine in the Himalayan.
To be honest it’s not the bike UK Enfield owners are crying out for. Considering the Continental and Interceptor are the big sellers over here, a scrambler version of the Interceptor would have been simple and a guaranteed seller.
Much agreed then you wouldnt have to dump money into yoir interceptor to make it a scrambler. I however own a himi but to a lot of off road riding. The scram does look bad ass tho.
I'm consistently getting around 300km for 12ltrs of fuel on my Himalyan so the fuel numbers RE show are optimistic, and probably done in a wind tunnel with zero air resistance
I think this looks great. Would be fun bike to own for London commuting and then my existing Speed Twin for longer rides out at the weekend. For the expected money, looks good value too.
It's an interesting concept, I admit. I like the looks, but as a city-oriented bike, it simply need more power. I own a Himalayan, and really like it for what it is, I've put a lot of miles on it on road trips, both secondary roads as well as off-road. It is however very tough to move around traffic with a 0-60 of a Prius. Maybe I'm just conditioned by years of owning machines with many times the HP, but I don't see myself ever commuting on a bike like this in the city. The 650 motor would've been perfect for this application I think, while keeping the Himi with the 411.
Apparently they have a new fuel map which makes the bike much nicer to ride ....its also going on the newest Himalayans as well ...no centre stand ...not sure I like that ...but the bike looks great in any colourway
407 lbs in American weight. That's HEAVY. A 1963 Triumph T120TT Scrambler came from the factory weighing 350 lbs, on a 650 machine making 54 horse power. Here we are 59 years later, and this is what 'technology" gets us to? This is progress?
I never warmed to the style of the Himalayan but this I really like. I’m very keen to learn more as this could be the learner bike my Girlfriend is looking for (and possibly my daily commuter 😉)
As a old owner (13years) of yamaha xt 550 pushed up to 40hp,the power of RE is closer to honda xlr250 witch I had as well but both were lighter than this. So the 550 with 155 kilos wasn't good after 140 klm. I will buy this one in my 80s. It's to slow. Last 14 years with a Dl1000. 500 klm in 3, 5 hours on the hiway.
My thoughts exactly, last bike was a '77ish xt500. After watching the vid I looked up it's specs. The Scram appears to be around 100lbs heavier with the same or less power. It's a shame, bikes are finally looking like motorcycles again but they're heavy as sin
This might be subjective, but this is by far the most beautiful bike I've seen in ages. And it looks to be really capable offroad as well compared to some other so called scramblers. If it was a bit lighter, this would definitely be on my wishlist. And I don't really care for this navigation gadget, RE should make it optional in Europe as well.
FAO Motorbob... Thinking out aloud... Would love to see Amazon Prime do a motorbike version of the Grand Tour headed by Richard Hammond and Motorbob - I'm sure most know Richard Hammond is a hardened biker. Touring the world and setting ridiculous but entertaining challenges, bike reviews, history of bikes etc would in my opinion be a hit show for sure!
Fuel consumption quotes in metric are helpful for us living abroad especially on the continent. So thx, Bob. Looking forward to when this machine will land in the German - speaking part of Europe. See how it fares in the hills & mountains of Alps & Jura. Price.....hmmmmh?!?
He doesnt say it for the continent, he isnt that generous, he says it to no confuse us/uk audience. Plus the info he receives is probably on metric. So nothing to thanx about
I'm short and live in a country where the roads would probably rival the moon's surface. Just hoping RE gives this a lowering kit for better accessibility for us shorties.
Oh I'd take the Scram in minty green. About the fuel consumption, I get real world 3.1L/100km (sometimes 2.9 when I dont ride highway) with my NC750X DCT...
Scram is much nicer looking, but it depends on what you are using the bike for. A scram 650 would be more suitable for North America with more highway riding and wide open secondary roads
The new RE scram 411 is an intresting choice along side with the Himalayan. Design Wise its good looking bike. Its still a road focus Himalayan. Royal Enfield has tried to make it different but not quit yet thier. However there are some things that looks good like the cockpit that looks clean and simple even though it Misses a rev counter. The colour choices are also good to. The engine Performance is decent enough, but RE could have given a different tuning for the scram 411 to give it a unique character. Glad it looses some wait. The Himalayan was a hard bike for city rides especially through traffic and city. They should have changed the mirror, those mirrors looks bad and useless. Overall Royal Enfield has done a good job by introducing the scram 411 for those who want a fun to Ride scrambler bike for daily usage. It doesn't bring any benchmarking to the segment. Still its a nice choice to have.
As a himalayan owner since 2019 living up north near hills n very poor back roads( altho much same everwhere uk ) scram doz nowt for me but clever royal enfield bike will suit others ...and thats ok by me.....re have put affordable back in biking ....👍
thanks for the shout out about imperial vs US gallons. never quite got that. Now..having said that, the liters per kilometer, or whatever is really greek to me. I always appreciate TH-camrs posting stats in metric and ... standard, or whatever non-metric is called. (maybe antiquated?). Now when i hear MPG (imperial) i'll just subtract a bit for the US.
RE is planning to bring their all new Himalayan 450 nxt year with new engine & chassis ! So this is how they gonna sell of all those already manufacturered Himalayan parts !
I’ve never ridden a Himalayan or similar, and I wonder how it/ this would perform on the m11 stretch of my commute. The closest I’ve ridden was the Fantic Caballero which wasn’t massively happy at those speeds but did a decent job.
Ive had mine for about 3 years and, whilst I am fortunate that its not my only bike so the high speed fix I get from my guzzi scratches that itch, I love the Himalayan and it gets more use than any of my other bikes. For a short motorway commute its okay but you would notice the lack of power however I drove my down from France to Spain and back without any issues. As for falling apart, well mines been fine. When I relocated to France at the end of 2018 the Himalayan came with me, the Multistrada got sold!
For me, the utilitarian look of the original Himalayan is much more appealing, sets it apart from anything else I'm likely to see. At my age, I'm not about to start doing any technical off road riding, but the idea of being able to if necessary is nice. At my age, I can't see myself wrestling with the larger more powerful bikes, should they fall into a ditch...
I think the RE's are cool but as a US consumer I wonder about parts availability. I bought the Suzuki DR650 because it's a bit bigger and the parts I can absolutely get from any dealership.
Can't wait to test the Scram 411 as soon as it is available in Europe/Germany. The Scram 411 in White Flame would be my choice. And if doesn't suit me well, there is the Interceptor 650 I still need to try out as well ;)
Yeah, I’d love to have one, looks great, looks like it’ll be fun on the road and be happy with a bit of light off road fun out of the box...a scrambler! Hope RE can offer at a good price in the UK and resist the temptation to chase Triumph’s premium pricing.
Kerb weight is 194.5 kg and not 185 kg
Tripper is not standard
Center stand is not standard
Priyanshu , 194.5 with mid stand and thats and accessory
I double checked the spec sheet I was sent and they say “185kg kerb weight (without fuel)” so I guess the 199kg for the Himalayan is with fuel? My bad but also just going off the info they gave me which is a bit misleading. Also it definitely says in the UK press release that the Tripper comes as standard, so perhaps it’s different across other markets? Either way I’ll pin your comment for others to see re the weight 👍👍👍
@@motobob o yeah , tripper is standard for UK market not for Indian market.
@@motobob "Kerb weight without fuel".... Isn't that Kerb a word for a bike with all fluids and 90% fuel?
@@johnDukemaster Correct. Kerb weight is on the road (kerb), ready to go.
Triumph could buy the entire stock, repaint them (so that’s a special edition, don’t you know) and sell for 3x the price. Form, function and cool - awesome job RE
need to drill a hole in the sump too. Not a Triumph if it doesn't "mark its territory".
Always a jealous " Triumph hater " in every RE comment section LOL .. as with everything you get what you pay for
if you want low spec low performance high regularity service intervals go for the cheap RE option if not you
look elsewhere .
Seems if you can only afford cheap you have to knock anything more expensive. Sad.
Not so sure there. 3x is what £15000. Which gets you a 1200cc scrambler fully spec or a Rally Pro 900. Both have significantly more tech and quality. However I do like this new RE and am moving to a country where I will be considering it
@MICHAEL JOHNSON J Oh! Looks like we got a tough guy here.
Why don't you spread some of yer rootin' tootin' knowledge. 1-why so down, Mike?
2-what's your better-picture bike? 3-sounds to me you are an expert on shit.
4-y'all learn that yerself or did step-dad beat it into you?
Also, MotoBob, I love how you just get straight into videos, I cannot stress that enough.
Agreed.
Reminds me of my 1982 DT175 - not fast, just great fun on any surface and many wonderful memories, easy to work on and cheap to run.
I had a gold coloured one of those, one of my all time favourite bikes. Am 63 now had over 40 bikes. Loved the 2 stroke and off road ability. 0-60 was as fast as my mates ho da cb360. At the time it felt fast. I have gone back to a smaller bike i can thrash and red line which takes me back to my younger days. Modern bikes have unneeded power that is electronically controlled. If they still made that dt175 I would buy one. I think this is ugly compared to the yamaha. Itest rode a himalayan but just too slow for me, also tried an interceptor which i liked. Why dont they put the 650 engine in this.? Even if just an option for Europe or US as I realise the asian market are lower cc. Great effort by re who are not skanking people like overpriced triumphs
I too am 63 yo and I have the same tastes in his as you have indicated. Can't count how many I've had over the years. My favorite enduros were my two 1975 Yamaha DT400s and my two Yamaha XT500s. Simple, cheap, easy to work on (fixed my DT400 shifter pawl broken spring with a rusty carburetor spring in a field once). Not like a lot of these fugly, expensive electronic wonders.. The older bikes just look better.
My riding buddy, bought an early Enfield. It's a piece of S...! He bought a Triumph, and now he finishes the rides.
I honestly love this. I still have a soft spot for my Himalayan, it was a fun single will loads of character, it was genuinely a blast off the pavement. The low down weight, the gear ratio, and torque on offer, it all just hit the sweet spot for me. Sometimes you don't need to change something when you've hit that mark already. I look at this and imagine being 17 again, with a passion for Scramblers, Sleds and Trackers, without a bulging piggy bank, but wanting to buy new and carry that RE name. This nails it. I've got their Meteor on loan at the moment, and love the cockpit, Tripper and just the nature of a single. I don't think any other manufacturer comes close in terms of accessibility, affordability and sheer value for money. I could honestly imagine owning one alongside my Scram 1200, as a commuter and back lane hacker. RE are smashing it. The only downside for me, would be the drop in ground clearance, and lack of a bench seat option.
Absolutely lovely bike. Great for me in the country and i,m approaching 70 years young. Great introduction to this Royal Enfield motorcycle. I would take any but my pick is the black and silver tank version.
VERY INTERESTED. It's a Himalayan optimized for how I'd actually ride a Himalayan. And it's a bit better looking too, imho.
I didn’t like this at first, but it’s growing on me and would suit my preference for back roads and light trails. I really need to sit on a Himalayan to make sure my 6 foot frame doesn’t dwarf the bike.
Im just about 6 foot tall and 210lbs and I couldn't even flat foot a himalayan. Its a super tall bike. I feel like the scram being a little shorter might be the best bet
Man that’s a hard choice. I was seriously getting ready to pull the trigger this week on a Himalayan, but now I’m perplexed and need to think this all over again. The 411 is sharp looking. Also I would have no problem taking that thing off road over small jumps, or even cruising back roads that are dirt or gravel for ten miles straight! I honestly think I’m gonna hold of on the Himalayan and go with the 411. I’m so glad I found this video. #RoyalEnfield #BritishOldSchoolBikes.
Hi Bob. I've gat a Himalayan - it's great, but what I want RE to make is a Scram with the 650 twin engine....please!
Scram with a 650 would've been amazing, true.
@Kumar Ankit Fingers crossed!
Bought a scram 411, great for scenic highways, and back roads (dirt/gravel) the comfort of the seat was a major decision maker as I enjoy day trips (100-200 miles). This is my 2nd RE (meteor supernova), wanted something of dirt/gravel roads
The other main changes include, the handlebar now sits 60mm lower and brought 20mm closer to the rider and the headlight position is lowered a little bit as compared to the himalayan, and the suspension is little bit tweaked to match the scram nature and also the ABS is now not switchable which is unlike himalayan
Like the Himalayan but now, at 73 years old, I think I'd like the new Scram 411. Mostly small town and rural roads for me. At 6'3" tall, the loss of a little seat height might be a bit different but hopefully not a problem. Also, loved my big bikes, 650s up to 1200s but those days are gone for me. I just want something to cruise around on with a little back road riding once in a while. Thanks for your great review.
Really like the look of the scram,reminds me of my old SLR650.
It's nice, better than the himalayan, but they could have made it look a little better. It's a bit of a half arsed job. Just a smidge more effort in styling, maybe a better looking exhaust, flatter seat and a special tank, could have made it look far nicer and completely separated it from the himalayan. At that price, I'd rather buy a used himalayan and scrambler it myself! Now, if they made a scrambler 350!........
Looks interesting as I wouldn't be using one for anymore than some easy trail/ backroads exploring I wouldn't feel comfortable doing on my CB500F with its fat 17"inch front wheel.
I'm also interested to see difference between change over price CB500X. Red and white looks pretty snappy. At present in Australia, petrol is at $2.20 AUD - higher in the regions. A 19" front wheel appeals to me a lot more than a 21".
Cb500x is a better bike n more expensive.
That headlight surround has room for the Tiger eye lights off a classic. Will have to add some but something a bit more modern yet functional
Royal Enfield really seem to know their market and just keep delivering. I'm sure this will be another huge success. The Silver Spirit colourway would be my choice.
The white flame looks mega. I want one. Would be a great all year round commuter. Take my money 😎👍🏻
So they design this one to be more road friendly but there's no windscreen, no fuel gauge? .....Wait.. What? They should have a Grey/Black version for people that don't like colorful motorcycles, making the black trim/lettering reflective. When I run Royal Enfield things will change.....LOL!!
A few points I would like to make. First my background: riding for almost 60 years and a Honda BMW Ducati dealer since 1979. That said in your reviews I would like fuel capacity taken into consideration when giving curb weight. I want to know if a bike has tube type tires. I want to know if valve stems are readily acceptable ( Honda is bad about this ). I also want to know if a bike has a hydraulic clutch ( MotoGP bikes have this for a reason). And lastly ( but important ) does a bike have a center stand, if not is it available as an option. Hope you read this, if so thank you for your time. I also greatly enjoy your reviews. One of if not the best in my opinion, David Bodden
Oh, almost 60 years riding! Well, well.
Is that riding a wee scooter around grandad's farm on sunny summer Sunday afternoons?
Maybe you mean well, but appealing to self and time as an authority-here, is irrelevant.
I would trust a kid of 1-2 years that tears it up, builds his own bike and eats bugs vs yer 60. Clear?
Actually all valid questions....must admit to liking the scram ...waiting to test one with a view to it being my every thing bike .
FAO MotoBob... Thinking out aloud... Would love to see Amazon Prime do a motorbike version of the Grand Tour headed by Richard Hammond and MotoBob. Touring the world and setting ridiculous but entertaining challenges, bike reviews, history of bikes etc would in my opinion be a hit show for sure!
Yeah, great video ... I have a 2018 Himi. I like what RE did with this. Looking forward to the test ride! Thanks for sharing!
If they added 37 cc, it would be a BSA B44 "Victor" or "Shooting Star" from 55 years ago.
I had the himalayan and must say it has bags of character. However it was let down with some quality issues, headstock bearings not greased properly and failed at 12k miles. Rusting pannier rails within 1yr, gear selector sensor failure and misting cloak issue twice. RE were impossible to contact and poor dealer support. If you buy make sure you gat a good dealer there are some out there and don't be put off by the Hp stats it's a great engine and will pull 2 up on long journeys
Hope they have improved the quality
Bikewale of India stated that they are in touch with credible source within RE that they are going with a 450 cc Himalayan with 40 to 45 bhp and liquid cooled with a 6 speed gearbox maybe released in 2023
It is named as project K1 as it's a new engine model.
Re want to play it safe by making a 450 Himmy before a 650, as it will be a too heavy.
They want to give a similar power of 650 with a 450 and try to keep the weight as low as possible.
The main issue with the Himalayan in European and American markets is that they want Himalayan to have atleast 40 or 50 bhp with similar amount of tourqe. So naturally they wanted the RE twins engine in the Himalayan.
Be interesting to see if this gets a 650 option too
To be honest it’s not the bike UK Enfield owners are crying out for. Considering the Continental and Interceptor are the big sellers over here, a scrambler version of the Interceptor would have been simple and a guaranteed seller.
Much agreed then you wouldnt have to dump money into yoir interceptor to make it a scrambler. I however own a himi but to a lot of off road riding. The scram does look bad ass tho.
With the current fuel prices... the smaller engine could actually be a preference for many. I think this is gonna be a success for RE.
It would be nice if You could include a live sounding of the bikes you do videos of. Next time let us hear when they fire up the engine.
Love this bike! Glad finally a real lower riding stance for those of us who don’t like tippy toeing at stops.
I'm consistently getting around 300km for 12ltrs of fuel on my Himalyan so the fuel numbers RE show are optimistic, and probably done in a wind tunnel with zero air resistance
If they made of of these with their 650 parallel twin I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
I think this looks great. Would be fun bike to own for London commuting and then my existing Speed Twin for longer rides out at the weekend. For the expected money, looks good value too.
I have a yellow Meteor 350 but now want this scram 411 in red/white
It's an interesting concept, I admit. I like the looks, but as a city-oriented bike, it simply need more power. I own a Himalayan, and really like it for what it is, I've put a lot of miles on it on road trips, both secondary roads as well as off-road. It is however very tough to move around traffic with a 0-60 of a Prius. Maybe I'm just conditioned by years of owning machines with many times the HP, but I don't see myself ever commuting on a bike like this in the city. The 650 motor would've been perfect for this application I think, while keeping the Himi with the 411.
This will be a home run for them. Really a nice looking bike.
Apparently they have a new fuel map which makes the bike much nicer to ride ....its also going on the newest Himalayans as well ...no centre stand ...not sure I like that ...but the bike looks great in any colourway
Would be nice in the states if they kept the luggage rack on the back.
Pretty much all the Himalayan Accesories like the luggage rack, saddle stay and the aluminium panniers are available as accessories
1:50 Looks quite nice.
I like the look of this bike. That white flame colorway is my fave, I think.
Scram in the red and white
407 lbs in American weight. That's HEAVY. A 1963 Triumph T120TT Scrambler came from the factory weighing 350 lbs, on a 650 machine making 54 horse power. Here we are 59 years later, and this is what 'technology" gets us to? This is progress?
I never warmed to the style of the Himalayan but this I really like. I’m very keen to learn more as this could be the learner bike my Girlfriend is looking for (and possibly my daily commuter 😉)
@Slavery is Freedom, War is Peace Yep. CRF300 is looking good
I like what they’ve done with it but a bit disappointed that they didn’t improve the breaks or the alternator’s output.
As a old owner (13years) of yamaha xt 550 pushed up to 40hp,the power of RE is closer to honda xlr250 witch I had as well but both were lighter than this. So the 550 with 155 kilos wasn't good after 140 klm. I will buy this one in my 80s. It's to slow. Last 14 years with a Dl1000. 500 klm in 3, 5 hours on the hiway.
My thoughts exactly, last bike was a '77ish xt500. After watching the vid I looked up it's specs. The Scram appears to be around 100lbs heavier with the same or less power. It's a shame, bikes are finally looking like motorcycles again but they're heavy as sin
I really love RE paint job
This might be subjective, but this is by far the most beautiful bike I've seen in ages. And it looks to be really capable offroad as well compared to some other so called scramblers. If it was a bit lighter, this would definitely be on my wishlist. And I don't really care for this navigation gadget, RE should make it optional in Europe as well.
It is subjective. But I agree
Just bought meself a 2022 new Himi in Lake Blue - can't 'til next friday !!!!
Might be my first bike
No switchable ABS in the rear, need to remove fuse but it will leads to disabling front ABS as well.
Nice. But will we ever see a Himalayan with Enfield's twin?
Scram for me... as a second bike. Need to see one in the flesh first though.
FAO Motorbob... Thinking out aloud... Would love to see Amazon Prime do a motorbike version of the Grand Tour headed by Richard Hammond and Motorbob - I'm sure most know Richard Hammond is a hardened biker. Touring the world and setting ridiculous but entertaining challenges, bike reviews, history of bikes etc would in my opinion be a hit show for sure!
Finally I can understand measures. thank you
Fuel consumption quotes in metric are helpful for us living abroad especially on the continent. So thx, Bob. Looking forward to when this machine will land in the German - speaking part of Europe. See how it fares in the hills & mountains of Alps & Jura. Price.....hmmmmh?!?
He doesnt say it for the continent, he isnt that generous, he says it to no confuse us/uk audience. Plus the info he receives is probably on metric. So nothing to thanx about
Aye great. Have you seen state of uk roads lately. 21" will soon be must on most bikes soon.
Be nice to see it in the USA
I'm short and live in a country where the roads would probably rival the moon's surface. Just hoping RE gives this a lowering kit for better accessibility for us shorties.
I'd be surprised if the Scram isn't one of the top sellers in the US with the current high gas prices. My Himalayan is a great bike. Way to go RE
Oh I'd take the Scram in minty green. About the fuel consumption, I get real world 3.1L/100km (sometimes 2.9 when I dont ride highway) with my NC750X DCT...
I think it might bridge the gap between the new classic 350 and the Himalayan.
Almost got the styling right. What are the things on the side of the tank? Otherwise good job.
Can you add the compass from the OG Himalayan to the Scram?
Don’t think so no, but I don’t think it’s brilliant anyway. You can buy bar mounted compasses online and they might do a better job… 🙃
Red/white would do it for me but other colors ain't bad
I actually prefer the huge 411 on the tank of the base bike over the premium.
Scram looks cool
Like the Meteor,I prefer the cheaper paint jobs.But I confess Royal Enfield are making some lovely Affordable product these days:)
Inverted front forks would be nice.
Scram is much nicer looking, but it depends on what you are using the bike for. A scram 650 would be more suitable for North America with more highway riding and wide open secondary roads
I like the round headlight. I think all bikes should have round headlights.
Great information and great video production quality. Cheers! 👍
Looking good. Love the red. Waiting to get one for test ride when available
Need the 650 platform scrambler
RE are killing it
The new RE scram 411 is an intresting choice along side with the Himalayan. Design Wise its good looking bike. Its still a road focus Himalayan. Royal Enfield has tried to make it different but not quit yet thier. However there are some things that looks good like the cockpit that looks clean and simple even though it Misses a rev counter. The colour choices are also good to. The engine Performance is decent enough, but RE could have given a different tuning for the scram 411 to give it a unique character. Glad it looses some wait. The Himalayan was a hard bike for city rides especially through traffic and city.
They should have changed the mirror, those mirrors looks bad and useless.
Overall Royal Enfield has done a good job by introducing the scram 411 for those who want a fun to Ride scrambler bike for daily usage. It doesn't bring any benchmarking to the segment.
Still its a nice choice to have.
Love the red and white ,looks a bit like a scaled up van van .Suzuki missed a trick their.
Having a BIG 90s 1000cc atm, this bike is def not made for me. But i LOVE the look of it. The red one is amazing.
As a himalayan owner since 2019 living up north near hills n very poor back roads( altho much same everwhere uk ) scram doz nowt for me but clever royal enfield bike will suit others ...and thats ok by me.....re have put affordable back in biking ....👍
thanks for the shout out about imperial vs US gallons. never quite got that. Now..having said that, the liters per kilometer, or whatever is really greek to me. I always appreciate TH-camrs posting stats in metric and ... standard, or whatever non-metric is called. (maybe antiquated?). Now when i hear MPG (imperial) i'll just subtract a bit for the US.
Would have loved this as my first bike
For the UK RE need a scram/int 650 and upgrade power to 60+ bhp .
Makes me wish these were available when I bought my himmy
RE is planning to bring their all new Himalayan 450 nxt year with new engine & chassis ! So this is how they gonna sell of all those already manufacturered Himalayan parts !
I assume the little tank side pods are crash protection ?
You skipped over the rear suspension mod? Has the frame been modified to use a rear mono shock?!
I’ve never ridden a Himalayan or similar, and I wonder how it/ this would perform on the m11 stretch of my commute. The closest I’ve ridden was the Fantic Caballero which wasn’t massively happy at those speeds but did a decent job.
Ive had mine for about 3 years and, whilst I am fortunate that its not my only bike so the high speed fix I get from my guzzi scratches that itch, I love the Himalayan and it gets more use than any of my other bikes. For a short motorway commute its okay but you would notice the lack of power however I drove my down from France to Spain and back without any issues. As for falling apart, well mines been fine. When I relocated to France at the end of 2018 the Himalayan came with me, the Multistrada got sold!
I hope this will be available in the Philippines soon. I'm thinking of selling my Honda PCX 160 for this.
more bikes is never wrong
I like the graphite blue. I would take off the rim tape. What are those cheek pieces on either side of the tank for?
I have a Himalayan with 5500 miles and i get 89 mpg in UK.
For me, the utilitarian look of the original Himalayan is much more appealing, sets it apart from anything else I'm likely to see. At my age, I'm not about to start doing any technical off road riding, but the idea of being able to if necessary is nice. At my age, I can't see myself wrestling with the larger more powerful bikes, should they fall into a ditch...
Can someone explain the additional and ghastly-looking faring on each side just behind the fork - what are these pieces hiding? Can they be taken off?
I think the RE's are cool but as a US consumer I wonder about parts availability. I bought the Suzuki DR650 because it's a bit bigger and the parts I can absolutely get from any dealership.
I think I prefer that to the Himalayan.
Great bike, great video , as usual Bob thanks
Can't wait to test the Scram 411 as soon as it is available in Europe/Germany. The Scram 411 in White Flame would be my choice. And if doesn't suit me well, there is the Interceptor 650 I still need to try out as well ;)
Yeah, I’d love to have one, looks great, looks like it’ll be fun on the road and be happy with a bit of light off road fun out of the box...a scrambler! Hope RE can offer at a good price in the UK and resist the temptation to chase Triumph’s premium pricing.
One dealer already advertise the Scram on Autotrader under Himalayan. Around £4700 :)
Scram looks a lot more 'Normal'. So a win, in my book.
Price will be the decider...
This is Svartpilen competitor I love it