Is Wing Chun Useless?
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Wing Chun + 2 knives = 25 stabs per second
Imagine Wing Chun with the claws that Vega uses in Street Fighter lmao
Wing chun - London style
28 stab wounds
If you know wing chun even with butter knives you can deal a lot of damage.
@@joeyflat1452 the ancient forgotten style
The roadman style
What I’ve learned about a lot of the “impractical” martial arts is they were created for a specific purpose, wing chun for example you’re supposed to wield two bladed weapons, it focuses a lot on parrying and deflecting on coming attacks instead of blocking, capoeira was a style that was designed to be practiced in secret and was done to music to look like a dance. When you take these martial arts out of their context and apply them to actually fighting you have to understand you can’t use them the exact same way you learned this, because despite how fluid and lively capoeira looks, when stationary and planted it can deliver some of the most powerful kicks I’ve seen from some really odd angles. Context matters and it’s always important to differentiate that practicing and learning a martial art will be very different that using it in a practical setting, that even applies to judo, wrestling, boxing, etc. you’re learning skills but in a real fight you aren’t going to be playing by the same rules you trained under. Always appreciate where your classroom ends
capoeira and bjj are fucking scary holy shit
Bruh these brazilians are savages 💪
The deadliest warrior episode with capoeira in it was awesome. His kicks were more powerful than the other 2 martial arts. It's more impressive him starting in a sitting position and building the force through his movement. It's so amazing to watch
Also capoiera was also sometimes practiced with a knife
@max that's a good point view glad i finally know what's the other side is thinking.. my opionon is that arts like muy tai and brazilian jejitsu are better because they can simply be applied /more useful in most cases and can be Less useless unlike other arta that's all
Nice
I took classes in both Wing Chun and Taekwondo.
Both of them seem really focused on teaching fighting like choreographed dance.
Specific attacks with specific defenses, it doesn't all seem very practical and applicable to real life.
One thing I did learn in taekwondo was how to kick someone in the face really fast.
One thing I learned in Wing Chun was how to block a punch and lock up someone's arm in the same movement.
Those two things alone have ended the few fights I have actually been in pretty quickly.
WC mixes well with boxing ,started as a boxer ...
Chi sao really heightens your ability to detect balance, both your own and your opponent's, as well as anticipate the direction of movement once you establish contact.
How did you get in fights!? Just curious
@@ahdog8 Honestly, my best answer is that reasonable people can be reasoned with and unreasonable people can't. The only fights I've been in have been with people who were probably mentally disturbed.
A couple times they insulted me in passing because they don't like my haircut or my shirt, something frivolous, I insult them back and they want to fight.
These are people looking for a fight, you can try and reason with them but really they just want to give themselves a reason to fight you.
@@ahdog8 Started boxing at 11 . I grew up white and short with my head in books in the hood ,Then when I won fights every asshole in the hood my age wanted a piece to prove how tough they were(nt) Every win exasperated the issue . 35 fights at school in one year .They would take a poke ,I would throw a combo .Dean would call my Mom and explain I wasnt suspended because it was clear such and such hit first , but could I stop beating up the bigger kids it is giving them complexes. I kept a reading books in the deans secretaries desk drawer . Read alot of classics that way Got aggravated over constantly being assaulted for attempts at rep , so I got vicious To be honest it wasnt till I started stomping /kicking in the face to leave marks when they were down and tracking people down off school grounds to finish said fights that the attempts to fight me slowed down Sometimes I would go after the guys friends if they talked shit to me themselves ( I had 3 brothers try me one week ,It was like the billy goat gruff , the eldest was a foot taller than me and he cut with a knife for 15 stitches over 3 wounds before that win happened ,I stomped his hand with a combat boot several times for his efforts His hand required several surgeries , most of a year in a cast He graduated with his hand in a cast
When people dislike Wing Chun because it's a classical martial art, it always bugs me that they don't immediately bring up Jeet kune Do. That's what I teach, and it's the original mixed martial art. Our mantra is literally, "Accept what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is essentially your own." Which means that if you find something that doesn't work, they expect you to leave it out of your repertoire
The original mixed martial art existed way before Jeet Kune Do, we have records of people grapling,kicking and punching since ancient Greece
@@crisstoff89 that's not what mixed martial art means, but Pankration is definitely cool. Mixed martial arts means that they openly draw from multiple sources. It doesn't mean a well balanced martial art.
So you are like the bisexuals of the wing chung community? Slllllut lol
@@Ryan-eu3kp No, we are people on the internet, not your search history.
lol mate just joshing! Wing Chun is awesome. I've seen may docs and know the history, fascinating stuff. Have a good weekend mate!@@thisguy1413
Guy in the right is a "professional neighbour"
I’m offended, Wing chun is definitely not useless! You can totally use it to break wooden boards, smash grapes so you can make wine, and you can even use it to mix some dough.
Useless IN A FIGHT.
These things you mentioned can be done without needing wing chun and it will be way quicker and easier
^^missed the joke
@@aiofg7545 You missed the joke my guy.
U dont break boards in wing tsun, thats karate
Martial arts are ingredients, some ingredients you can eat on its own and some you shouldn't. Wing chun is one of those that you don't want to eat on its own but combined with other ingredients it could prove beneficial to the entire dish.
I use some of the wing Chun stuff in Bjj guys never see it coming , if you are fighting for wrist control some wing Chun hand movements can really help you
good metaphor, agreed. btw are u a poet?
@@titoortiz5953 no, but it just makes sense no?
Im a black belt at taekwondo and I want to learn wing Chung in a way not to hurt people but put them in a situation that it looks like I have a higher advantage
Ip man (the peaceful kind that goes out of he's way to not hurt people)
So wing chun is basically the red herb (Resident Evil) of the martial arts.
holy shit this is spot on
@@supanixta I don't get it plz explain
Depends on lineage and practitioner
@@David-jn1gg In resident evil you use herbs to heal yourself. Red Herbs are useless on their own. All they do is enhance the effect of other herbs if you mix them.
What a comparison
Basically my cat when I don't let her back in when I just opened the door to let her out.
😂
😂Us Cat owners know this !!!
"I'm not a Muy Thai fighter, I'm not a kickboxer, I'm not a boxer I'm a Wing Chun man... I WAS BORN A WING CHUN MAN AND I'LL DIE A WING CHUN MAN!!"
- Shawn Obasi, M1 Global tryouts, 2010
Right now I’m learning wing Chun, but I also want to combine it with boxing
wing chun itself is trash
@@toYoda862ngl that would be op imagine having that fast hands in boxing your opponent wont be able to react
"ok"
- Xu Xiaodong
There are always physical outliers, peak Fedor could have probably been training as a ballerina and would still beat up most people.
You have to compare like to like.
Me on the other side of the wall, just woke up thinking someone is clapping cheeks, but it’s this guy punching the wall
Ultimate cheek clapper
😂😂😂😂😂😂
He went ultra fisting.
Bro if someone is tapping it that fast I would give them a fucking medal!
Ahahahah underrated comment. Lmfao
In my late teen years, I was training kickboxing. Back then, I knew how to fight. Now, after ten years, I can say that if I need to fight a kickboxer, I will try to talk my way out of the fight. If not, running is my plan b.
and then- plan C
@@_finalburaian_1094 get the strap!
@@_finalburaian_1094pull out the blicky
@@_finalburaian_1094 Gun
@@thevindicator9218 god bless america 🦅
you ever been in a street fight and hit someone already dazed with a chain punch ? it works lol
did it to a crackhead in SCLA took his weed too
You did not have to run his pockets, bruh.
@@bradleygalo4775 I mean he seems to think that people who want everyone not to have to pay insurance middlemen exorbitant fees for less care are pedos, so it makes sense that he'd abuse poor addicts living on the street too.
Guy learned fighting with zero mental training, respect, or mindfuldness. Menace.
Here’s what people get wrong. Wing chun isn’t useless, it might feel useless because you are not learning it right. It’s a style of martial art focused on defending and techniques. Brute muscle force isn’t needed. My teacher said that Wing chun’s number one Nono is being too tense. Not to mention it also comes with spiritual parts, years of dedication and training, it’s not a fighting style you can achieve because you want to “try something new”
i finally found a person who like wing chun like me
Wing Chun is for old people who want to look like they actually know how to fight. It's only good for demonstrations and cheap tricks.
@@catalogueboys2538 see that’s where you got wrong. WingChun is one of the styles that take the longest to master. You can’t blame Wing Chun if you don’t have the discipline and determination to keep going
@@sweatybotfn9982 even masters will get their ass handed to them against real fighters like boxers wrestlers and muay Thai fighters. Wing Chun is one of the least effective martial arts in a real fight.
@@catalogueboys2538 real fights? With steroids and staged fights?
As a wing chun student that’s also learned and cross trained in Muay Thai and some bjj, most of wing chun is much better suited for grappling than striking, or at the very least, is best when in grappling range. The few things you can make work outside of that range are parries, straight punch to the face since most peoples guards aren’t expecting a straight punch, and kicks to the knee or stomach from punch range. All the other stuff like trapping, guard manipulation, elbows, and chain punch only really work from close range, with chain punch only really working when the opponent can’t run, like when they’re cornered or you have them on the ground and you’re in mount.
Kickboxing,Judo, Wrestling, and no gi jiu jitsu. Even a basic understanding of these disciplines is enough to give you an edge in a fight. It might not look pretty, but self defense is not about looking good while beating someones ass.
Gi bjj actually translates better to real world self defense than nogi. Grips are super fucking annoying and important.
I'm primarily a nogi practitioner, and there are guys I can beat easily in nogi who absolutely kick my ass in the gi.
@@33a5t Wouldn’t you agree that its better to learn and rely on bodily mechanics before belt grips and collar chokes? Gi has its place in the world, don’t get me wrong, but you aren’t always going to be fighting someone in full clothing, let alone clothing that can sustain the amount of punishment a gi can.
@@DestructionOfRome exactly they both have their strengths but for more real world stuff I think no gi is the better go to version of bjj
@@jamarjohnson9759 bjj is mostly useless in street fights as a lot of the time that ends with u being jumped now 1v1 and bjj is brilliant
@@joshuawilliams4314 yeah but out of bjj and no gi bjj I was saying no gi is more like a real world fight I’m choosing Muay Thai or kickboxing for street fights all day and I won’t take it to the ground cause one of their homies would just kick me in the head
Training many years with Erik Paulson and Greg Nelson, both use facets of wing chun to help with trapping and striking within the guard. Which supports that wing chun is useful if paired with something else.
Like that's how you fix the trapping aspect. In standup striking, you ain't doing all the trapping hand manipulating bullshit since the other guy will just disengage and back out of distance. Inside someone closed guard or when you're mounting them on the other hand, they ain't going anywhere
As my sifu always said "if u came here to learn wing chun don't fight and if u came to fight don't wing chun" nino bernardo
@@Kaido_928And without wing chun you wouldn't be able to extend your fingers or what? 😂
@@Kaido_928 lmao thats move is not exclusive
Smacking a wall like that is actually a good way of toughening up the knuckles.
If you like your knuckles broken and swollen. Myself I don't use knuckles but as a last resort. Instead go with hand palm, side of fist, elbows, knees, feet, forehead, and teeth.
@@ron.7105 palm in a fight xd u gonna give me a massage?
@@FourLionsClipsPalm strikes
@@FourLionsClipsit can be used to push
@@ron.7105 Maybe start with punching the wall not at full power, and work up.
If I remember correctly, most chinese martial arts were developed through the use of weapons instead of just fists. It was only then developed later on without the use of weapons. In wing chun, I'd say honing the technique of using two short ranged weapons without leaving much of your body open while trying to counter your opponent at the same time.
Or muay Thai or wrestling
Muay Thai and BJJ are the clear winners but if we're going from self defence to straight up kill to survive I'd say Kravmaga is never much talked about.
@@AK-lx1cr that's beacause krav maga is mostly bullshit. It's a system invented to give basic training in a small ammount of time and teach israeli soldiers to run towards the danger instead of fleeing as a mental form for general warfare and then idiots around the world started opening fake krav maga gyms to scam people. Ramsey dewey has a great video on the subject if you are intrested
@@AK-lx1cr bjj vs wrestling is often a body type argument. If you’re smaller and weaker, BJJ is useful. However if you’re larger and strong, wrestling is the way to go. I’d much rather scoop a double leg and ground n pound than pull guard and choke him before he ground and pounds me. But I understand not everyone is capable of just blast doubling most people
@@Nameandaddresswithheld That's an interesting point and I fully agree with you on that, wrestling is more dependant on overpowering your opponent where as BJJ goes more for weak points around the joints.
I'd say for combat sports wrestling in recent years has shown to come out on top on the highest level, but that's talking about the absolute elite tier of combat athletes.
I'd say for the average person BJJ would be more viable.
Wonder where that leaves someone like me though, 6ft3 but slim built haha.
Judo is literally the combination of wrestling and bjj
"Wing Chun with other things" you say... Got it, a sharp magic hat like Kung Lao's in Mortal Kombat 11.
He's another Shaolin monk, gotta trust him.
and a tazer
@@maximilian2843 A tazer?
@@Mr.Sax. my bad, thought for a moment kung lao was raiden
>Be Ranton
>Go to Shaolin Temple
>Be one of the largest representatives of Chinese Martial Arts on the Internet
>Frequently and repeatedly explain how useless Chinese martial arts are
>profit???
Wing chun is actually useless and laughed at by many
@@ajscorner5423 I am not commenting on whether or not it is useless. I am merely pointing out that it is a little hypocritical for a guy who made a career off of being "Le Shaolin Meme Guy" to be such a heavy critic of Chinese Martial Arts. If they are so useless, why didn't he go do Judo and kickboxing as he recommends?
@@dragonjohnson6352 honestly, I think it's because he went to shaolin that he knows it's a lot less useful than those other martial arts. But what do I know
@@dragonjohnson6352 judo because you can't find shuai jiao / qinna gym
Kickboxing because you can have figthing experience, using your fists & legs
And judo & kickboxing gym easiest to find
@@dragonjohnson6352e didn't go to the Shaolin Temple to learn how to fight. He went there because he was interested in the culture and training. He explained that the Shaolin Temple has become more commercialized and adapts to whatever is most popular in demand. That's why his training consists mostly out of northern style Wushu, which includes a lot of acrobatics.
As he says himself: he's not slandering Chinese martial arts nor is he idealizing it. In real combat situations styles like Kickboxing/Judo/BJJ are proven to work and include sparring. And you barely do sparring in the Temple according to Ranton and many others, so you won't have any real life combat like experience after going there
My point is: He is not hypocritical, he is just honest and says it like it is
One aspect of WC that I feel many people ignore is the context of its original purpose and theory.
The system was created for someone one smaller, with less force in their strikes. The emphasis was placed on speed and multiple strikes to compensate for someone stronger. Almost all modern striking arts emphasise getting the most power for a strike. When you apply that to WC, it throws off its form and frankly just can’t compete based on its framework.
WC, is weaker because of its design, not there lack of. Figuratively speaking, boxing is like “how can I get the most power out of this one punch” while WC is more like “I can’t throw like that guy, but I can throw 15 punches in the same time to equal the overall power of their one punch.”
I think it's good to help you build up speed and reaction time in combination with other styles
Wing chun's defensive techniques saved me in a private match specifically the elbow blocks
I lost eventually but not by getting knocked out ❤
The one thing I would say is good about wing Chun is the early trapping or checking of kicks I’ve seen, if combined with with a good kicking art it becomes nasty
I always recommend building your own style based on what works for you the best
Guns for me
@@harryh536 sure
Parkour to avoid fighting i dont want to fight
If i have to fight im using chairs, a stick , rocks, whatever else comes to hand instead of risking to fight hand to hand. But id like to learn bjj looks like the most useful close combat martial art, combined with hitting the aggressor with a chair lol
UNBELIEVABLY AWESOME.
Best wing Chun opinion, I do that exact thing, it's unstoppable when properly applied
I went to school with someone who did that. They punched hard.
That's because you're weak
Standing here, I realise, you were just like me, trying to make history.
metal gear revengeance
But who’s to judge, the right from wrong, when our guard is down I think we’ll both agree!
On the street self-defense: Wrestling, Muay Thai. Wanting to win a 1v1 you're certain will stay that way: BJJ
I like bjs
Grappling striking running and strapping. Ur set for the street
Martial arts help me find inner peace
King chun is the practice of straight sternum punches keeping you facing your opponent allow you to use the stance to determine your next follow up options, use it with a combination of other techniques
Wing chun teaches the one inch punch. If you apply the main mechanics of the one inch punch to normal punches, it will amplify your explosiveness. The real one inch punch requires mastery of your reflexes. Everyone knows that insane burst of speed you get when dodging something or catching something. Master that quickness and consciously add it to your punches, you can punch from every corner with the power of a normal punch
Finally someone who gets it!! Thank you
Works against people that can't fight
@@Watefak Tell that to Bruce Lee
@@pieperdesu you mean the actor?
@@pieperdesu you think he got a chance in mma?
I love so much this guy. As a Wing Chun martial artist with over 10 years of experience thanks to a traditional chinese master i, as my master always say deeply know how much martial arts are uselle "in combat" or "in real fight" cause as the name say, they are just "arts" and you do them because you enjoy not because you want to be the next rambo boy.
Go tell the martial artists that managed to survive thanks to martial arts training that their art is useless in combat or a real fight.
@@shadowman9081they win against people that can't fight in general. Tell them to survive street fight against people that can actually fight.
@@Watefak you just proved my point. I literally just said “people who survived due to martial arts” that includes people who survived even against a skilled perpretrator, dumbass.
@@Watefak I survived stret fights in LA compton south central, so?
@@Helelsonofdawn good 4 u i guess
It seriously depends on the one teaching Wing Chun, each method is taught significantly different based on location and coach. Some areas I've seen teach it more offensively, others, defensively, some a mix of both. In my experience, I believe that it differs location to location; so I do not believe it's useless on its own
I love how no one is pointing out the fact that the wall started to crack as he was punching it.
The quality is sh/t so most people missed it (including me)
On top of not being as practical in general, the amount of effort needed for traditional chinese martial arts compared to the use you get out of them is minimal. Things like judo and especially kickboxing are styles where you can train for a few months and have a decent grasp on fighting fundamentals. If you want to learn how to fight well from what I can tell the best options are those two, boxing, wrestling, bjj and muay thai.
"Wing chun in combination with other things"
Isn't that called jeet kune do ?
Actually your not wrong the principle of jeet kune do is anything that doesn’t work don’t use it an focus on what actually is effective in a combat situation.
Well the biggest influence on wing chun, IP man did the same thing. Wing chun has a lot of focus on the Art side of martial arts and that's how it was meant to be. It's like a tradition. It feels like it was designed to fight other wing chun users and deviations was considered taboo. IP man was one of the first to explore other options to make wing chun more viable and bruce lee took it a step further with jeet kun do. They both received a lot of backlash from asian teachers for breaking traditions which is why i say they cared far more for the "Art" itself and not actually fighting
No, this is the grandpa from Ip man: The legend is born.
@@thizzmonkey7846 yet wing chu and jeet kune do are some of the worlds least usefull martial arts for self defence and fighting
Skeet Coom No
Bruce Lee used wing Chun for his high speed block removers, it definitely taught him the value of hand speed.
Bruce Lee was not a fighter tho. Great martial artist and scholar, but the value of handspeed is the same in any combat sport. Boxinh or kickboxing also values handspeed, and in comparison to WC, also adds power to speed.
@@rokigan7515 he actually fought a lot over his lifetime, just not formally. He started learning martial arts as a way to get better at street fights, back when he ran with a street gang. He fought in one boxing match in college, won, but then never did any more formal fighting since he didn't like rules. Any formal style, he felt, wasn't useful in the real world and could be detrimental to your habits as a fighter.
He preferred sparring with martial artists unofficially. Given that the people he did teach were often champion martial artists themselves it's safe to say his skills were legit. Chuck Norris for example was already a champion before he took lessons from Bruce.
He was a professional martial artist, he just wasn't a competitive one, he taught self defense more than anything.
And then Bruce realized half the techniques were useless so he created jeet kune do
Pff Brad Pitt kicked his ass
@@russetwolf13 actually that's unconfirmable hearsay from almost a century ago
FYI boxers wrap their hands not to protect your face - but, to protect their own hands. You'd break every bone in your hand if you struck anything with serious density, as hard as a boxer punches a bag.
That’s bullshit maybe you’d get a hairline fracture hands are fragile but they can be conditioned to punch through brick
It's not for your bones, it's to keep the skin on your knuckles from scraping off.
@@garychief2338actually both
In my opinion, Wing Chun Kung-Fu is very good at self-defence. If you want to learn a martial art based in self-defence, Wing Chun is very good but dangerous. This is why it is not a sport.
I studied Pi Lum in Highschool. They taught some Wang Chung with Hung Gar.
What my mom hears when she walks by my room at 11pm
IP Man enters the room... "What did you sayyyy???"
I agree with you about kickboxing and any ground arts, but you should also know that "chain punching" in wing Chun is only a drill for muscle memory and understanding the mechanics of their straight punch. Wing Chun is far from the most practical martial art, but this is one of two basic drills you first do when you walk in the door.
The reason why wing chun doesn’t seem to work is not about the martial art 🥋 itself but actually the limited number of people that have been taught it properly
@@UnjustVerdict bro the point is there is no evidence because most of the places that give “evidence” are mc dojos and IK ur gonna be like. “Well how do you know!?” And it is bc I am 4th generation from Ip man and 3rd generation from Bruce Lee. So lighten up a bit about wing chun man
I do filipino martial arts like escrima and kali and the neat part about it is that it is a flexible enough style to be able to incorporate or borrow techniques from other styles like boxing and wing chun
I just remembered that scene from ip man when he did this and just rolled that guys face almost to death
To say that a Martial Arts is useless is unbelievable! Isn’t our goal as Warriors is to train the mind and body. Now, where you want to go with that is up to you as the individual once you have trained!
You need to pay attention to the entirety of what he said.
I have always used wing chun with a bit of boxing. It allows me to me fast and hit hard.
That’s because wing chun is literally Chinese boxing
@@mrn4sty46Not exactly. Boxing is strictly fists only. Wing Chun uses legs, knees, feet, trips, elbows, headbutts, palm strikes, AND fists, and knives.
@@AztecUnshaven that’s modern day boxing, wing Chun is Chinese old school boxing from the 1800s-1940s, yk back then when they allowed punches kicks and wrestling, even groin strikes and other dirty strikes, look up old school dirty boxing and you’ll know what I’m talking about
@@mrn4sty46 a better comparison would be saying that wing Chun is Chinese pugilism, pugilistic boxing (old school I guess you could call it) absolutely had more grappling, blocking, clinching etc. and did so because boxing gloves hadn’t been properly invented yet. Same thing with wing Chun
@@Taekwon-Brando you said the same thing I did but in different words
Wing Chun + Muay Thai + Krav Maga = A deadly motherducker
Insane Endurance, High speed attack, Counter attack, Power kicks (FORCE OF A BASEBALL BAT), Eye gouging, Deadly claw (if grab throat with enough force, it can result in death)
I trained Wing Chun for 3 years. A year ago, I got in an intense situation where self defense was needed. I fought better than typical street fighters, but if u know what average street fighters are like, you probably know being slightly better than them means nothing.
After the experience, I started to train boxing. But like the guy said in the video, Wing Chun really helped learning boxing moves faster because it's heavily focused on understanding my body and ways to generate forces properly from my legs, hips, waist and shoulder.
Any martial arts never encrouage you to just swing your arms, and they teach u to build up a force from movements of your other body parts. But often, it's not easy to get used to, especially when u have other things to learn like footwork, different types of strikes, and even rules for a sports match. Wing Chun is definitely a good choice if you just wanna focus on training ways to utilize your body parts better and generate legit forces.
The real masters are always in the comment section.
I am a Master and i can confirm
@@Pointman11111
are you bowlegged?
Wing Chun can defend against a lot of martial arts if executed properly and quickly.
All evidence points to the contrary
@@shamikghosh1131 explain the evidence
@@Chad973prove your claim
I always find it amusing that when some one cant find out how to use a Martial art as fighting, its the style thats useless and not the persons understanding and ability to incorporate the arts techniques thats uselsss😂
???
@@itsomegali5342 that u have to ?? my statement makes it futile to explain any further 😂
@@Xiaxexin I assume you are good at marital arts with many years of experience
@@itsomegali5342 assumption is ur first mistake. The focus in violence is the second. Never trust any1 whom trained hard for hurting other people
@@Xiaxexin then you aren't good at marital arts?
Ah, the old "this martial art is useless, so here's a couple of sports to workout in!" Aproach. Lmao
Just stand there bro, you're tasting this heat.
Muay Thai
Judo + fundamentals of kickboxing> Muay Thai
@@altunaiji. nah
@@altunaiji.nah
@@altunaiji.ur just saying grappling+striking > striking
@@Watefak yeah it’s correct
bro is butterfly clicking 💀
I learned win chun growing up, never lost a fight.
Same here, wing chun by itself is useless because it comes with the spirit and practice, the two are never apart
Because you probably spar and use your training well. Most people just practice the forms which obviously would be useless if they don't practice them in sparring
Wing chun for speed and blocks are good support and the balance is underrated
Then do boxing for best punches and fighting power for footwork
Then taekwondo and karate for insane kicks
Then muay thai for 8 points
Then many grappling arts
No martial art is useless and you really dont have to pick only 1
Kung fu styles are unique so pick the right one for you
I just see him hitting the wall rapidly and start hearing "standing here, I realize" in the back of my mind 😂
People forget there's a lot more to kung-fu and karate than 'fighting'
Ah yes a lot of movie depicting kongfu as a fighting tool is not for fighting, kinda disappointing to see it just a exercise for old people.
Wing Chun definitely helped me understand kickboxing and Jujitsu better
Kickboxing deffinitly… juijutsu not really…
@@gipsymelody1268 you don't say. 🤦♂️
RealRanton: "Wing chun is useless"
Gojo and IP man: 💀
On its own it is. Also, gojo is just built different
who is gojo
@@matthewnggametime2537 from an anime, jujutsu kaisen
Yeah I learn Wing Chun for more variety and flexibility, but I'll always have a mix and match with other Martial Arts.
Wing Chun isn't useless at all. Why are so many police officers, jailguards, bouncers aso learning and using Wing Chun?
He says that until he’s laid out by someone with it
Wing chun is a lot more than the chain punch. It’s very effective
On its own, no. In combination with other things? Eh, i guess yeah.
Effective no/fun to watch yes
@@yoitsvenus616 WC is very effective on its own... Wtf is wromg withyou people? Go out and fight some one who just do WC and you will see...
@@MoikHorst elements of wing chun can work when combined with other effective martial arts such as, muay thai, and kick boxing; but no on its own its not effective. TH-cam it bro idgaf.
@@MoikHorst deluded
Depends on utility:
as a weapon to kill: sambo, jiujitsu, silat, muay boran (they focus on take down and shut down target).
As a sport: kick boxing, jeet kune do, muay thai, judo, tae kwon do (they have great training for the body).
As a self defence: karv maga, wushu, wingchun, karate (they have great methods to defend even against stronger threats with finger to eye gouge, chop into throat, chop into back head, balls attack, foot stomp)
Okinawa Karate, goju ryu to be exact is extremely effective in practical application. Every move is precise and meant to be executed in a real world situation. The training is meant to strengthen your mind and body, repetitive movements coupled with breathing techniques downloads the mind with reactionary movement ready to spring forth in an instant.
You answered my question. But myself been an Australian man, boxing. When you box anyone who's enough of a bully (when strong act weak, when weak act strong) just box or kickbox!!
I mean you could incorporate it with boxing. A lot of boxers have wrist & knuckle injuries, could prevent injury
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Your just like me .
Trying to make history.
I studied martial arts, mostly using my feet and hands.
but during a real fight, I hug my opponent and wrestling ensues. Locks and chokes are more useful and less risky than punches and kicks.
kickboxing, grappling, kyokushin, lethwei are my go to
that guy do be that professional next door neighbor
Ving Tsun is worth learning just for the basics of the center line theory and the three pillars. just using that will upgrade your fighting skills. also, punching a sheep stomach full of BBs that you sew together yourself to break down calcium deposits in between your knuckles is just fun for everyone.
also, shitting on the martial art that produced Bruce Lee is kind of silly. after learning from Muy Yat, he took the basics of Ving Tsun and made Jeet Kune Do
If you don't know wing Chun also have blocks not punching only
Wing Chun is not like street fight moves ok
Having very fast hands are also defensive
Wing Chun can block 1 punch and give 5 punches only by a second wing Chun is useful ok
I'm not an expert, but based on what I've seen and heard from experts when asked, is that wing chung by it's self can't do much, thats why a lot of masters combine it, by itself is weak but when conbined it really shows superiority
I myself use the art of gun. There are so many techniques like :the shotgun pump or the revolver 6 hammer. Really effective in any range
This is a good martial art to condition your arms + create speed with blocking and striking drills. If you like block strike focus. Reduce your telegraph. The noise conditioning forearm blocks is therapeutic. Learn to strike with karate, throw and roll and choke with judo or jiu-jitsu...
That’s definitely my favorite move. It’s so badass👊🏻🤌🏻
Guy starts punching fast
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HUNG GAR has served me well as a bouncer. However, being in the right frame of mind and the will to go all in might be your best weapon
You get hit by a Wing Chun practitioner, you’ll think twice about saying it’s useless. I’ve trained and sparred with Wing Chun Masters, believe me, it’s no joke!
The sound just threw me off for a sec 😏
i did judo with 5 and started kickboxing with 10. good to know thats whatyou recommend!
Wing Chun surprisingly was the bridge for my karate and jiu jitsu, so I can agree with you on it being a good supplementary art.
Learning wing chun basics is useful in my opinion. Its the most efficient way to strike and block in close quarters and teaches wrist control. Its only one style of combat though and was originally developed for self defense by a woman.
I think ultimately it also depends on the practitioner at the end and depend on one martial art, but several if that makes sense
That's probably a big part why I'm benefiting from it, I'm coming from boxing to Wing Chun so I've developed decent fight habits and am now trying to craft an art. I can not argue your logic.
Wing chun is just a conceptual DLC to add to your standard "mma", that's how it was originaly used, by people who already knew how to fight, it's just theoretical stuff to add to your game, if you want to, don't have to though🤷♂️
Just wish martial arts can have an update or become modernized.
If you wanna have fun with relatively low injury risk but still useful skills and your in Calgary. Wrestling, a lot of clubs are free and we just have a ton of fun, some of its useful and it’s good exercise and laughs
As we are a connected world, with so many tourists and migrants moving around to different places, the old martial arts are becoming more and more obsolete. Styles that incorporate more and more techniques from completely different styles are more and more likely to win in a conflict. That is why newer styles that are combination martial arts, and especially MMA are so devastating, because they don’t follow a narrow set of rules of style. It’s harder to guess what a fighter is going to do, and so it’s harder to defend against. Still, NONE of these older styles are a waste of time. They still teach you incredible levels of skill, focus, inner strength, and determination, and they greatly increase your ability to defend against the average bully or mugger.
frankly with wing chun:
I discovered that different countries has different versions of it. mostly the same but different philosophies and all. different masters even added their own experiences to the mix.
I learned under a german grand master and a turkish one. the moves were similar but still had differences. I am turkish, and one that I learned during high school was much more street fight oriented than anything. no rules, no holding back. if someone dies in the heat of action....... well shit happens and you defended yourself.
I remember a few times people asked our teacher if there were less violent and damaging ways to incapacitate people. and he showed them just that.
and he was also a security guard for over 20 years. so he literally had to chance to test what worked and what didnt, and focused on teaching the useful moves first. tradition came later. his very first lesson to anyone were always been how to defend against a knife. or at least last long against it.
I think it is only useless if you stick to tradition too much. times are changing and we we gotta adapt to it. that applies to martial arts as well.