Like to raise a glass to my Father, this was the last film we saw with him before he got sick and passed away. A lifelong Trek Fan we loved seeing this in theaters even with the admittedly simple allegory but hey, Here’s to Space Chernobyl forcing Space Gorbachev to talk Space Peace and bring down the wall…IN SPACE!
The Shakespeare "in the original Klingon" was an in joke from TOS. Because Chekov would constantly claim that random things were invented in Mother Russia, and the Klingons were originally stand-ins for the USSR.
There is also the story that the invented Klingon language was perversely created with no verb "to be", so saying "to be or not to be" is impossible in Klingon as an in joke.
@@mjbull5156 If I recall it wasn't an injoke, but something they realized when they made the Klingon translation of Hamlet as a joke and didn't fix it on purpose.
If I remember right, Nicholas Meyer said in an interview it was a funny jab at the Germans of the 1800's who were constantly lying and claiming that all famous English literary works were actually written by Germans in German.
Ze Germans also claimed Shakespeare as their own. There’s a book No Hamlets “German Shakespeare from Nietzsche to Carl Schmitt” about how Germans loved Shakespeare almost as much as Germans love David Hasselhoff.
I’m pretty sure Meyers said ‘in the original Klingon’ came from a quote by a high ranking Nazi officer who said ‘in the original German’. He found the arrogance of the statement striking so he put it in the movie.
41:23 So fun Fact, if you notice, the two assassins are beamed aboard the Klingon Warship and Leave, the Beam is the Red Klingon Transporter effect… The Enterprise , and the Federation in general at this point, their transporters are Blue… Meaning the Assassins were beamed aboard and away from Gorkon’s Flagship by a Klingon Ship. This is why the Enterprise doesn’t have any Transporter Recourds. ^.-.^
Which is not as special as it was at that time since everyone in that profession had to perform in some kind of Shakespearian play. Now, to make a Galaxy Quest reference, old actors might as well be Alexander Dane.
@@dragonknightleader1 Agreed, I think it was even less special back then for Canadian actors who retained their English classical roots more so than Americans. Also, it should be pointed out that because you acted in one or more Shakespearean plays it doesn't automatically mean you're classically trained. For example, Mel Gibson played in Hamlet despite not having a classically trained background. You can tell from watching the film.
Spock smacking the phaser out of Valeris' hand is one of the the most in control rage moments ever put to screen. "What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand." THWAP!!
@@steve-o8171 General Chang’s line “Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war” it’s from “Mark Antoine” by Shakespeare. It always pissed me off when people boil all of Shakespeare down to one or two plays that are overdone and arguably his worst work. At the very least his most trite. McCoy’s line is just the voice of the audience.
What makes this even funnier is that this movie is so memorable that even a couple decades after I watched it I still remember enough to follow along with the story.
“The Wrath of Kahn” and “The Undiscovered Country” really do compete for top trek. Its amazing how every series pre kurtzman had its seminal lines and episodes that cemented their place among the great sci fi. TOS “the Balance of Terror” “In a different reality, I could have called you friend.” TNG “the Measure of a Man” Your Honor, Starfleet was founded to seek out new life; well, there it sits! DS9 “in the Pale Moonlight” and all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain. VOY “Tuvix” I know there'll be some people who... will call me a coward because I didn't sacrifice myself willingly - believe me, I've thought of that - but I have the will to live as two men. Then we are treated to gold standard dialog from STD like; “This is the power of math people”.
@@GrimGalore I know right? Considering every series was boiled to a 3 digit designation long before STD they might have considered that. Hell the might have just named it “Discovery”. Either way I found that show insulting to anyone with even middling intelligence. Kurtzman forgot Star Trek is the thinking mans sci fi. Roddenbury literally wrote it to appeal to intellectuals. This is not Michael Bay land where empty shipping containers (literally shown empty on screen) explode for no apparent reason.
This is a treasure trove of "favorites". This is basically a list of my favorite episodes per series, at least top 3 of each. In the Pale Moonlight is the very best in my opinion and this quote of course from easily my favorite Star Trek character. Although I like this quote from him more: "I believe in coincidences. Coincidences happen every day. But I don't trust coincidences." It applies to more. The sentence I quote the most in everyday life is from Sisko: "It's easy to be a saint in paradise."
The music building and the final crescendo to William Shatner’s signature gets me every time. Dozens of views of this movie and I still blubber like a baby!!!
The great twist in the movie isn't the traitor plot being revealed but that Kirk surrenders when the Klingons activated their weapons. Everyone of the conspirators in the Federation and the Klingon Empire were betting on Kirk going back to his old ways and annihilating the klingon battlecruiser. But instead he did the unthinkable and surrendered for a future that he felt very much a stranger to. It's an incredible moment and gives me goosebumps everytime. I could just see admiral Cartwright going wide-eyed when Kirk on his feet spews the words "we surrender!". Phenomenal writing!
@@marvel22-mf1js he started a war because he refused to respect dominion territory he had no diplomatic skills he poisoned 2 planets and always wanted to solve every problem by punching someone... hes shit
Drinker referenced the Berlin Wall / end of the Cold War as a cultural touchstone for the movie’s backstory. The timing of the release of the movie was amazing in that sense too. ST6 was released on December 6, 1991. The Soviet Union was dissolved 19 days later on Christmas Day.
@@Autofire-nw5tyFor real. If the last couple of decades has taught us anything, canon is what you make of it. There are now comic books I consider canon because they overlap the worthless trash currently on TV.
I liked be his scenes in KA. The strategy the Klingons use in their wargames is excellent and a very Klingon way to capitalize on the perceived weaknesses of the UFP. Using decoy attacks on various worlds to exploit internal UFP politics changing it's war strategy in combating the Klingons is brilliant and shows Klingons not as some dumb belligerent but experts in war and Grand strategy to be competitive against the UFP during the TOS/Movie era. Also fleshes Chang out as a warfare genius he is hyped up to be.
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 cannon is fundamentally defined by the masses, and not the the creator, because a story lives in the minds of the audience.
The director's cut of this has one of my mam's favourite lines - "quite frankly, we can clean their chronometers!" -flew over my head as a kid but I've come to love that one.
I like to think Admiral Cartwright's punishment has to have his memory wiped, his name changed, and compelled to run a gumbo shop in New Orleans forever.
@@jamesabernethy7896 WoK is definitely a very close second place on my list, but Kirk's "out of nowhere" ex-gf and adult son subplot doesn't seem thought out. I feel like UC wastes very little screen time.
@@nathanddrews Carol and David are plot contrivances but they add weight to this movie and The Search for Spock. I totally agree on how little time is wasted, there is always something relevant happening. I love the mental chess battle between Khan and Kirk. Both ship battles have some real highlights. Montalban and Plummer were great antagonists, classically trained actors.
@@Vaborn77 So many great emotional moments across the movies punctuated by some amazing music. Chang is a great antagonist but Khan knows how to get under Kirk's skin.
If Mauler wants some amazing Star Trek David Warner, he should definitely check out TNG's Chain of Command parts 1 and 2 with Warner being a Cardassian torturer of Picard.
Re: the Klingon blood, in every previous piece of Star Trek media prior to this, Klingons were shown to bleed red just like humans. An unfortunate side effect of the Pepto Bismol blood is that there's a scene near the end that appears to be the primary reason for the change - the Klingon sniper at the conference is actually a human in disguise, and they only realize it because he bleeds red after being defenestrated, *BUT ALMOST EVERY VERSION OF THE MOVIE CUTS THAT SCENE.*
If I remember correctly, the idea of the cloak being rendered useless after this movie has been addressed by writers from Trek. The explanation is that no, cloaking isn’t useless because this is merely another step in a tech/arms race, like the Battle of the Atlantic or the Bomber Command campaign over Germany. That is to say, a breakthrough only provides brief superiority. Radar spots bombers, then it gets countered by a system like Window, which then gets countered by an upgrade or new system in a continuing escalation of technology. So while cloaking would be badly hampered for a time, eventually either the Klingons or Romulans would develop something like a diffuser array that would fool any seeker torpedo or sensor array. Naturally, folks would start working on a counter to THAT then, and the cycle continues.
By TNG times, the Feds use a Tachyon sensor net to blockade potential cloaked fleets. Granted, it was extremely difficult when they had a shortage of ships, but they did have a functional countermeasure. Which is why they were messing around with phase cloaking.
An interesting way for Savek to have been in this movie and the previous movie is have her part of the crew. Her great pain could have been that she feels responsible for David's death and that she let Kirk down. She could then have been drawn into the plot for war by a true hatred for the Klingons.
The don't wait for the translation line also shows that Kirk is more of a mirror of Chang than we originally think. It shows that Krik knows Klingon as a language and he too has been studying hid opponents like how Chang learned Shakespeare to study humans
The reason for the colour of the Klingon blood was to protect the film’s rating. If they went with red blood it would have been given at least at PG-13 or possibly an R Rating.
I was short enough when I saw this in theaters that the opening credits music had my heart pounding so bad that when you see the crazy explosion in the opening scene, I almost jumped out of my seat. I was so stressed for this whole movie and I loved it
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 I suppose that it’s worth clarifying that I have no memory of feeling genuinely “young.” I tend to refer to when I was “short” or “little” because back when I was 3 I’d start long conversations with random adults. Plus, I’ve known tons of children who demonstrated maturity and thoughtfulness beyond many adults. So I don’t always think of age the same way others might
Stravinsky’s Firebird is what you want to listen to next. The music was a direct homage. Also, the crew comes back like the Phoenix, so it was appropriate.
Sulu becoming captain of the Excelsior is actually referenced as far back as Star Trek II. It was in a deleted scene and the audio of it still survives. In it, Kirk thanks Sulu for coming on this last cruise as a favor and references Sulu taking command of Excelsior afterward. However, the events of Star Trek III meant Sulu had to wait until the other captain's tour was up.
Saw this opening night in the theater. After the waste of time that was 5 I was very hesitant to go. Thankfully it turned out good. Getting Nicolas Myer back to direct,after he helped write 4,was a great move. The Drinker and Mauler really need to see his first film,Time after Time to fill out your movie knowledge. The extended cut of the film is the way to go with this movie. Seeing extra scenes with Sarek is always nice. Cool tidbits you guys may not know is that there were many cut scenes that almost made it in the film. Two such scenes wasxone where Scotty was going to be giving a lecture on the Klingon Bird of Prey that had taken out of the water after 4 and a scene where Gillan,from 4,was watching the trial of Kirk and wondering if she could help. James Doohan talked about these scenes in Starlog and Cinefantisc. After watching both many times I still prefer The Motion Picture and Star Trek 4 to 6. 6 is good of course but something about The Motion Picture really feels different and unique. It probably has the best sense of exploration and the fact that there isn't really a stereotypical villain, something they copied from Star Trek 2 in almost every film after,is interesting. Plus little bits of 6s humour land flat for me. Spock joking about being dead once being one example. The soundtrack is great though as with all the original 6 films. Each film has a different musical style that suits the films well. Something that all the new films fail to do. Still 6 is really good and the 4K Blu Ray is fantastic.
Fun fact, the Excelsior was supposed to have the torpedo that could seek out the clocked bird of prey. In the opening of the movie, they talk about how their mission is to catalog gaseous anomalies. Lieutenant Rands lines were given to a Michelle Nichols. I guess William Shatner thought that the enterprise should be the ship to save the day since it was it’s a last hurrah .
What people miss about Mignonga's performance is that he was playing Kirk, not Shatner. Most actors confuse Kirk for Shatner and then overplay his pauses, which is why most Shatner impressions are cringe.
I'd agree there. The Next Generation films were carbon copies of the same simplistic story that they only got right once, on the second try. The following movies might as well had been about the Teletubbies.
I really love this movie. Absolute peak Star Trek in terms of politics. It's such a great send-off. The moment when the torpedo goes straight through the saucer still makes me wince to remember it.
Having watched Nicholas Meyer's early sci-fi effort 'Time After Time' recently, I'd love to hear Drinker and Mauler discuss the merits of his reinterpretation of HG Wells for the then-modern era. Mauler's voyage through the eras of TOS and the whole business of the cast resurrecting their characters later on in life also makes Galaxy Quest a great candidate for commentary.
If I remember right, the guy who gets unmasked at the end which is cut in a lot of showings is Col. West. The person who delivers the rescue plan to the federation president just after they get to the prison.
Thanks for doing these Drinker and MauLer, these are very fun. I did the whole syncing of the movie/video thing and it was great!!! Hope you guys do more of them 🖖🏻
Thanks for doing this, guys. It was great fun watching the movie on one monitor and then pausing it and letting your commentary catch up on the other monitor. There is no doubt that II and VI are the best Star Trek movies ever. And given the state of the "franchise" probably always will be.
Damn, I enjoyed this! Listening to you two talk about these films (even the not-so-great ones) was very entertaining. Like watching it with old friends. Thank you!
This is my favorite Star Trek movie. It's the first Star Trek movie I got to see in the theater. The trailer to it was on the Star Trek movie collection of vhs tapes that I got for Christmas that I had so desperately wanted. The novelization is awesome, too.
1:17:24 I always took her reaction to mean that she told those two to hide the boots in someone else's locker and she can't believe they were stupid enough to hide them in that locker.
If you look carefully, you can spot all the sets. Bridge is the Battle Bridge - which is why the turbolifts aren't where they are on the exterior (after the whole nonsense of the TOS bridge being 30 degrees off-center for that very reason. Engineering is the ENT-D set, hence the missing horizontal intermix. President's Office in the Palais de la Concorde is Ten Forward. Kirk's quarters are probably the junior officer quarters set used for Geordi and minor characters. Transporter Room is the ENT-D set.
TWOK is my favorite of all trek films and Undiscovered Country is of course #2, but it holds a special spot as I saw it opening day (Dec 6th, 1991) with my grandparents who are the ones that got me hooked on the TOS crew. TNG was already a Saturday evening mainstay in our house each week. Weird to me that was 33 years ago, yet this film is so timeless, it doesn't feel like it at all.
When growing up, I had video cassettes of assorted movies, cartoons and such. At home by myself, I'd grab a random movie or animated show that looked good at the time. This film was honestly my first exposure to Star Trek and Space in general and it sparked a deep passion into sci-fi and space. I was too young to understand a sequel meant it was something that showed in sequence from another. Even though I didn't fully understand the context involving Kirk and his animosity toward the Klingons, the writing and sequences kept my attention. It was this and moving onto TNG that had me FOCUS and understand and learn about character development and writing, and I love them for it. My first Star Treks. Fantastic film and great series in TNG.
The mind meld from what I understand the 2 minds becomes one and not only know what the other knows but feels what the other feels. The reason Spock is so shaken is he is feeling the pain and violation she is feeling while he is basically invading her mind. So he is both feeling the guilt of the violator (even for a just cause) and anguish of the violated. Very powerful scene
The funniest part of the Shoe Fit part.... is while Chekov is clearly pleased with himself as he is building you can see everyone else already notice the issue but they let Chekov keep going.
Indeed. It's really understated just how important she was to casting sci-fi shows in the 90s. Outer Limits and Stargate SG-1 instantly come to mind besides Star Trek. Maybe Babylon 5, but I'm not as sure.
Star Trek 6 covers a lot of topics. It has a murder mystery, it shows the tensions between the Federation and the Klingons, and it shows Kirks distrust the the Klingons as he tries to reconcile with making peace with them and forgiving them for his sons death.
The bit about novelisations reminds me about how the Revenge of the Sith novelisation, particularly the audiobook. The amount of stuff that it adds changes the story a lot, and for the better
Like to raise a glass to my Father, this was the last film we saw with him before he got sick and passed away. A lifelong Trek Fan we loved seeing this in theaters even with the admittedly simple allegory but hey, Here’s to Space Chernobyl forcing Space Gorbachev to talk Space Peace and bring down the wall…IN SPACE!
Here’s to your father. 🍻🍻
@@Casual_Sadism most kind!
God bless your dad.
I'm glad you had that moment with your dad.
🙏🙏🙏👍
You need to add "Galaxy Quest" to the list of Star Trek movies on this list.
A crucial part of the Historical Documents.
I think Patrick Stewart described Galaxy Quest as the best Star Trek movie ever made.
SCREW THAT.
people can see her saying something else
@mikeok8478 💯%! Or as some people call it: “The best Star Trek movie ‘never made’.
Yessss!!!!!
The Shakespeare "in the original Klingon" was an in joke from TOS. Because Chekov would constantly claim that random things were invented in Mother Russia, and the Klingons were originally stand-ins for the USSR.
There is also the story that the invented Klingon language was perversely created with no verb "to be", so saying "to be or not to be" is impossible in Klingon as an in joke.
@@mjbull5156 If I recall it wasn't an injoke, but something they realized when they made the Klingon translation of Hamlet as a joke and didn't fix it on purpose.
If I remember right, Nicholas Meyer said in an interview it was a funny jab at the Germans of the 1800's who were constantly lying and claiming that all famous English literary works were actually written by Germans in German.
Ze Germans also claimed Shakespeare as their own. There’s a book No Hamlets “German Shakespeare from Nietzsche to Carl Schmitt” about how Germans loved Shakespeare almost as much as Germans love David Hasselhoff.
I’m pretty sure Meyers said ‘in the original Klingon’ came from a quote by a high ranking Nazi officer who said ‘in the original German’. He found the arrogance of the statement striking so he put it in the movie.
The fact that Sulu is willing to risk destroying his ship to get to his friends in time. 👍🏻
41:23 So fun Fact, if you notice, the two assassins are beamed aboard the Klingon Warship and Leave, the Beam is the Red Klingon Transporter effect…
The Enterprise , and the Federation in general at this point, their transporters are Blue…
Meaning the Assassins were beamed aboard and away from Gorkon’s Flagship by a Klingon Ship. This is why the Enterprise doesn’t have any Transporter Recourds. ^.-.^
You're doing the Lord's work!
Bill Shatner was classically trained. You can't convincingly replace him as Kirk with an actor who isn't.
You two close friends or is there some other reason you call him Bill?
@@BananaMana69 We're not friends, but last year he narrated a documentary named: _William Shatner: You Can Call Me Bill_ . I took it to heart.
Which is not as special as it was at that time since everyone in that profession had to perform in some kind of Shakespearian play. Now, to make a Galaxy Quest reference, old actors might as well be Alexander Dane.
@@rc8937 Oh interesting ill watch that and maybe ill call him Bill too.
@@dragonknightleader1 Agreed, I think it was even less special back then for Canadian actors who retained their English classical roots more so than Americans. Also, it should be pointed out that because you acted in one or more Shakespearean plays it doesn't automatically mean you're classically trained. For example, Mel Gibson played in Hamlet despite not having a classically trained background. You can tell from watching the film.
Spock smacking the phaser out of Valeris' hand is one of the the most in control rage moments ever put to screen. "What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand." THWAP!!
Compare to Zachary Quinto roaring and throwing haymakers... :\
“Cry Havoc and let slip the Dogs of War!”
"I'd pay real money if he'd shut up."
You do know that is an actual Shakespearian quote right?
@@mikewaterfield3599Bones line or the obvious Shakespearean sounding line? 😂
@@steve-o8171 General Chang’s line “Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war” it’s from “Mark Antoine” by Shakespeare. It always pissed me off when people boil all of Shakespeare down to one or two plays that are overdone and arguably his worst work. At the very least his most trite.
McCoy’s line is just the voice of the audience.
@@mikewaterfield3599 lol…I know bud
Shatner was Plumers under study for a Shakespeare play they did in the 50's
Henry V, playing Henry V.
omg it's like i'm sitting right here in my red living room next to Mauler and Drinker watching silent blurry Star Trek far away, i love this!!
What makes this even funnier is that this movie is so memorable that even a couple decades after I watched it I still remember enough to follow along with the story.
Every line, musical cue, and quote, I can follow along exactly ^.-.^
The bit where Scotty kicks the door down and shoots the guy is unapologetically my favourite bit of this awesome film.
“The Wrath of Kahn” and “The Undiscovered Country” really do compete for top trek. Its amazing how every series pre kurtzman had its seminal lines and episodes that cemented their place among the great sci fi.
TOS “the Balance of Terror”
“In a different reality, I could have called you friend.”
TNG “the Measure of a Man”
Your Honor, Starfleet was founded to seek out new life; well, there it sits!
DS9 “in the Pale Moonlight”
and all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain.
VOY “Tuvix”
I know there'll be some people who... will call me a coward because I didn't sacrifice myself willingly - believe me, I've thought of that - but I have the will to live as two men.
Then we are treated to gold standard dialog from STD like;
“This is the power of math people”.
STD 🤣🤣🤣
Still makes me giggle
@@GrimGalore I know right? Considering every series was boiled to a 3 digit designation long before STD they might have considered that. Hell the might have just named it “Discovery”. Either way I found that show insulting to anyone with even middling intelligence. Kurtzman forgot Star Trek is the thinking mans sci fi. Roddenbury literally wrote it to appeal to intellectuals. This is not Michael Bay land where empty shipping containers (literally shown empty on screen) explode for no apparent reason.
Insightful and direct comment
This is a treasure trove of "favorites". This is basically a list of my favorite episodes per series, at least top 3 of each. In the Pale Moonlight is the very best in my opinion and this quote of course from easily my favorite Star Trek character.
Although I like this quote from him more: "I believe in coincidences. Coincidences happen every day. But I don't trust coincidences." It applies to more.
The sentence I quote the most in everyday life is from Sisko: "It's easy to be a saint in paradise."
"I like science." - Spock, apparently
The music building and the final crescendo to William Shatner’s signature gets me every time. Dozens of views of this movie and I still blubber like a baby!!!
The great twist in the movie isn't the traitor plot being revealed but that Kirk surrenders when the Klingons activated their weapons. Everyone of the conspirators in the Federation and the Klingon Empire were betting on Kirk going back to his old ways and annihilating the klingon battlecruiser. But instead he did the unthinkable and surrendered for a future that he felt very much a stranger to. It's an incredible moment and gives me goosebumps everytime. I could just see admiral Cartwright going wide-eyed when Kirk on his feet spews the words "we surrender!". Phenomenal writing!
The entire runs of TNG and DS9 are well worth watching. There are landmark moments in those series that are still referenced in pop culture today.
Ds9 was about as trek as std is... sisko is the worst captain in starfleet
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 he really wasn't a captain, he is commander of a Starbase and won't get promoted to captain until third season.
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 Nope,sisko is the best captain in starfleet and DS9 is the height of star trek.
@@marvel22-mf1js he started a war because he refused to respect dominion territory he had no diplomatic skills he poisoned 2 planets and always wanted to solve every problem by punching someone... hes shit
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436I do agree with you that he's not a good captain per se. But he did have some moments.
Drinker referenced the Berlin Wall / end of the Cold War as a cultural touchstone for the movie’s backstory.
The timing of the release of the movie was amazing in that sense too. ST6 was released on December 6, 1991. The Soviet Union was dissolved 19 days later on Christmas Day.
He reprises the role of Gen Chang in the game Klingon academy and it really fleshes out his character and motivations
It's also non canonical
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 it is to me.
“Head cannon, best cannon.
@@Autofire-nw5tyFor real. If the last couple of decades has taught us anything, canon is what you make of it. There are now comic books I consider canon because they overlap the worthless trash currently on TV.
I liked be his scenes in KA. The strategy the Klingons use in their wargames is excellent and a very Klingon way to capitalize on the perceived weaknesses of the UFP. Using decoy attacks on various worlds to exploit internal UFP politics changing it's war strategy in combating the Klingons is brilliant and shows Klingons not as some dumb belligerent but experts in war and Grand strategy to be competitive against the UFP during the TOS/Movie era. Also fleshes Chang out as a warfare genius he is hyped up to be.
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 cannon is fundamentally defined by the masses, and not the the creator, because a story lives in the minds of the audience.
The director's cut of this has one of my mam's favourite lines - "quite frankly, we can clean their chronometers!" -flew over my head as a kid but I've come to love that one.
That was in the theatrical version, wasn't it?
I like to think Admiral Cartwright's punishment has to have his memory wiped, his name changed, and compelled to run a gumbo shop in New Orleans forever.
I saw this movie on opening night in 1992. It was a fabulous night.
Finally the BEST Star Trek movie with the greatest score!
I flip between this and Wrath of Khan for my favourite but I totally agree on it having the best score.
@@jamesabernethy7896 WoK is definitely a very close second place on my list, but Kirk's "out of nowhere" ex-gf and adult son subplot doesn't seem thought out. I feel like UC wastes very little screen time.
@@nathanddrews Carol and David are plot contrivances but they add weight to this movie and The Search for Spock. I totally agree on how little time is wasted, there is always something relevant happening. I love the mental chess battle between Khan and Kirk. Both ship battles have some real highlights. Montalban and Plummer were great antagonists, classically trained actors.
It’s hard to beat wrath for the best. Wrath just had that emotion, and that perfect tie in to the original show that’s so hard to do
@@Vaborn77 So many great emotional moments across the movies punctuated by some amazing music. Chang is a great antagonist but Khan knows how to get under Kirk's skin.
Chang: Better dead than Fed.
It’s a lot of fun watching along with Drinker and MauLer.
If Mauler wants some amazing Star Trek David Warner, he should definitely check out TNG's Chain of Command parts 1 and 2 with Warner being a Cardassian torturer of Picard.
"Duet" from DS9
Two of TNG's best episides!
I. see. two. episodes!
@@nofutureproductions9242 hehehe - great line ;-). Although the script is massively influenced from George Orwell's 1984
Re: the Klingon blood, in every previous piece of Star Trek media prior to this, Klingons were shown to bleed red just like humans.
An unfortunate side effect of the Pepto Bismol blood is that there's a scene near the end that appears to be the primary reason for the change - the Klingon sniper at the conference is actually a human in disguise, and they only realize it because he bleeds red after being defenestrated, *BUT ALMOST EVERY VERSION OF THE MOVIE CUTS THAT SCENE.*
That is so strange, I’ve never seen that Scene having been cut…. This genuinely confused me. O.-.o
Well, Colonel Odo is a changeling.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon Its in the director's cut. Scenes went more in depth on the conspiracy and their motivations.
I was just old enough to see this film at the cinema. That was a good day!
I've been waiting so long for this! Excited to have Mauler watch STVI, it's always been my favorite of all the Star Trek movies.
The director’s cut is the best version it adds only 3 minutes but offers more context to the conspiracy.
If I remember correctly, the idea of the cloak being rendered useless after this movie has been addressed by writers from Trek. The explanation is that no, cloaking isn’t useless because this is merely another step in a tech/arms race, like the Battle of the Atlantic or the Bomber Command campaign over Germany. That is to say, a breakthrough only provides brief superiority. Radar spots bombers, then it gets countered by a system like Window, which then gets countered by an upgrade or new system in a continuing escalation of technology. So while cloaking would be badly hampered for a time, eventually either the Klingons or Romulans would develop something like a diffuser array that would fool any seeker torpedo or sensor array. Naturally, folks would start working on a counter to THAT then, and the cycle continues.
By TNG times, the Feds use a Tachyon sensor net to blockade potential cloaked fleets. Granted, it was extremely difficult when they had a shortage of ships, but they did have a functional countermeasure. Which is why they were messing around with phase cloaking.
This is the one I’ve been waiting for. The only one I saw as an adult in the theater with a real understanding of Star Trek.
Love watching movies with you guys, hope you all have a great day.
42:27 They had delay timers on the transporters(ie Regula 1). They beamed themselves over then set the Klingon pads to send them back.
An interesting way for Savek to have been in this movie and the previous movie is have her part of the crew. Her great pain could have been that she feels responsible for David's death and that she let Kirk down. She could then have been drawn into the plot for war by a true hatred for the Klingons.
Figured I'd get this notification when It's time for bed.
Well, such is the life of a shift worker.
Enjoy folks.
Keep in mind there’s no benefit to watching live.
The don't wait for the translation line also shows that Kirk is more of a mirror of Chang than we originally think. It shows that Krik knows Klingon as a language and he too has been studying hid opponents like how Chang learned Shakespeare to study humans
I love these videos - especially with the little tv so we can follow along easily. Love them!!!!
I got to watch this again tonight. It is my favorite Star Trek movie.
"Bigger? In my day, not even an Admiral would have quarters this grand!"
The reason for the colour of the Klingon blood was to protect the film’s rating. If they went with red blood it would have been given at least at PG-13 or possibly an R Rating.
I believe Shatner did (and still does) refers to Takei as “day player”
Takei certainly worked hard to earn the sleight.
I was short enough when I saw this in theaters that the opening credits music had my heart pounding so bad that when you see the crazy explosion in the opening scene, I almost jumped out of my seat. I was so stressed for this whole movie and I loved it
You mean young enough genius?
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 Also that, yes. Lil & nervous
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 I suppose that it’s worth clarifying that I have no memory of feeling genuinely “young.” I tend to refer to when I was “short” or “little” because back when I was 3 I’d start long conversations with random adults. Plus, I’ve known tons of children who demonstrated maturity and thoughtfulness beyond many adults. So I don’t always think of age the same way others might
Stravinsky’s Firebird is what you want to listen to next. The music was a direct homage. Also, the crew comes back like the Phoenix, so it was appropriate.
My favorite of the entire franchise. A hopeful sendoff to the OG cast
Sulu becoming captain of the Excelsior is actually referenced as far back as Star Trek II. It was in a deleted scene and the audio of it still survives. In it, Kirk thanks Sulu for coming on this last cruise as a favor and references Sulu taking command of Excelsior afterward. However, the events of Star Trek III meant Sulu had to wait until the other captain's tour was up.
Saw this opening night in the theater. After the waste of time that was 5 I was very hesitant to go. Thankfully it turned out good. Getting Nicolas Myer back to direct,after he helped write 4,was a great move. The Drinker and Mauler really need to see his first film,Time after Time to fill out your movie knowledge. The extended cut of the film is the way to go with this movie. Seeing extra scenes with Sarek is always nice. Cool tidbits you guys may not know is that there were many cut scenes that almost made it in the film. Two such scenes wasxone where Scotty was going to be giving a lecture on the Klingon Bird of Prey that had taken out of the water after 4 and a scene where Gillan,from 4,was watching the trial of Kirk and wondering if she could help. James Doohan talked about these scenes in Starlog and Cinefantisc. After watching both many times I still prefer The Motion Picture and Star Trek 4 to 6. 6 is good of course but something about The Motion Picture really feels different and unique. It probably has the best sense of exploration and the fact that there isn't really a stereotypical villain, something they copied from Star Trek 2 in almost every film after,is interesting. Plus little bits of 6s humour land flat for me. Spock joking about being dead once being one example. The soundtrack is great though as with all the original 6 films. Each film has a different musical style that suits the films well. Something that all the new films fail to do. Still 6 is really good and the 4K Blu Ray is fantastic.
The single best portrayal from the Jar-Jar-verse was Karl Urban's impression of DeForest Kelley.
I loved this, but 4 was the greatest accomplishment. They made a movie about going back in time to steal a whale awesome.
One of my favorite movies, period. It's not quite to the level Khan, but it's definitely Star Trek at its best.
Hamlet, the original , in Klingon
Y’all’s friendship is adorbs.
Fun fact, the Excelsior was supposed to have the torpedo that could seek out the clocked bird of prey. In the opening of the movie, they talk about how their mission is to catalog gaseous anomalies. Lieutenant Rands lines were given to a Michelle Nichols.
I guess William Shatner thought that the enterprise should be the ship to save the day since it was it’s a last hurrah .
Vic Mignogna did such a good job as Kirk, that even Mrs. Shatner praised him.
What people miss about Mignonga's performance is that he was playing Kirk, not Shatner. Most actors confuse Kirk for Shatner and then overplay his pauses, which is why most Shatner impressions are cringe.
So glad you did a commentary on this, the last Star Trek movie ever made.
I'd agree there.
The Next Generation films were carbon copies of the same simplistic story that they only got right once, on the second try.
The following movies might as well had been about the Teletubbies.
I really love this movie. Absolute peak Star Trek in terms of politics. It's such a great send-off. The moment when the torpedo goes straight through the saucer still makes me wince to remember it.
YES - that made me seriously wince too when watching it in the cinema!
@@Paul_1971 The hull has been compromised!
@@demonofelru3214 I wonder how bad
If MauLer sees the Abrams/Kurtzman Trek, we would have more in the "Unbridled Rage" series. I look forward to it if it happens.
Having watched Nicholas Meyer's early sci-fi effort 'Time After Time' recently, I'd love to hear Drinker and Mauler discuss the merits of his reinterpretation of HG Wells for the then-modern era. Mauler's voyage through the eras of TOS and the whole business of the cast resurrecting their characters later on in life also makes Galaxy Quest a great candidate for commentary.
Thanks so much Drinker, I love rewatching these amazing movies with you guys.
I’ve been waiting for this for months! This is my favorite of the TOS movies and I’ve been so excited to see Maulers take on it.
If I remember right, the guy who gets unmasked at the end which is cut in a lot of showings is Col. West. The person who delivers the rescue plan to the federation president just after they get to the prison.
My 1st ST back when, my fav ST.
Thanks for this!!!
That was a lot of fun. Thanks, guys.
Thanks for doing these Drinker and MauLer, these are very fun. I did the whole syncing of the movie/video thing and it was great!!! Hope you guys do more of them 🖖🏻
Thanks for doing this, guys. It was great fun watching the movie on one monitor and then pausing it and letting your commentary catch up on the other monitor. There is no doubt that II and VI are the best Star Trek movies ever. And given the state of the "franchise" probably always will be.
Thanks guys! Great trip of nostalgia. You two are the best commentary track for these movies! Next challenge - Back To The Future Trilogy?
so many memorable scenes. awesome movie
Damn, I enjoyed this! Listening to you two talk about these films (even the not-so-great ones) was very entertaining. Like watching it with old friends. Thank you!
Thanks for the watch-along. I've seen this one a few times and it is nice to hear your comments especially Mauler who is relatively new to ST!
This is my favorite Star Trek movie. It's the first Star Trek movie I got to see in the theater. The trailer to it was on the Star Trek movie collection of vhs tapes that I got for Christmas that I had so desperately wanted. The novelization is awesome, too.
I'm only halfway through, and this is already one of the best things I've seen on TH-cam
Love this movie
1:17:24 I always took her reaction to mean that she told those two to hide the boots in someone else's locker and she can't believe they were stupid enough to hide them in that locker.
I think its the first time i did a watch along. God bless Tortuga for that. Such a great movie.
I've been looking forward to this one for a while
“To drink… or not… to drink…”
Don’t understand the question.
*Drinkers liver explodes*
Bloody good movie, one of the 2 I still own on Blue ray. The other one is the one with the Borg. Seen both numerous times.
I still remember walking out of the theater after seeing the movie. I was like... wow, they are actually done with the original crew. 😞
If you look carefully, you can spot all the sets.
Bridge is the Battle Bridge - which is why the turbolifts aren't where they are on the exterior (after the whole nonsense of the TOS bridge being 30 degrees off-center for that very reason.
Engineering is the ENT-D set, hence the missing horizontal intermix.
President's Office in the Palais de la Concorde is Ten Forward.
Kirk's quarters are probably the junior officer quarters set used for Geordi and minor characters.
Transporter Room is the ENT-D set.
Thank you for a brilliant watch along. May I suggest the pair of you watch the TNG episodes “Sarek” and the two-parter “Unification”
I saw this in the cinema with my dad when i was 8. Good memories. 👍
TWOK is my favorite of all trek films and Undiscovered Country is of course #2, but it holds a special spot as I saw it opening day (Dec 6th, 1991) with my grandparents who are the ones that got me hooked on the TOS crew. TNG was already a Saturday evening mainstay in our house each week. Weird to me that was 33 years ago, yet this film is so timeless, it doesn't feel like it at all.
Saw this in the Theater and would love to again.
When growing up, I had video cassettes of assorted movies, cartoons and such. At home by myself, I'd grab a random movie or animated show that looked good at the time. This film was honestly my first exposure to Star Trek and Space in general and it sparked a deep passion into sci-fi and space. I was too young to understand a sequel meant it was something that showed in sequence from another. Even though I didn't fully understand the context involving Kirk and his animosity toward the Klingons, the writing and sequences kept my attention. It was this and moving onto TNG that had me FOCUS and understand and learn about character development and writing, and I love them for it. My first Star Treks. Fantastic film and great series in TNG.
The mind meld from what I understand the 2 minds becomes one and not only know what the other knows but feels what the other feels. The reason Spock is so shaken is he is feeling the pain and violation she is feeling while he is basically invading her mind. So he is both feeling the guilt of the violator (even for a just cause) and anguish of the violated. Very powerful scene
Watching all these has been great, so you really need to bring back Happy Hour!
Well done lads. What a pleasure to hear insights and enjoyment of some of my favourite movies with my two favourite youtubers😎🍺
The funniest part of the Shoe Fit part.... is while Chekov is clearly pleased with himself as he is building you can see everyone else already notice the issue but they let Chekov keep going.
Christian Slater's mom was the casting agent on this movie
Indeed. It's really understated just how important she was to casting sci-fi shows in the 90s. Outer Limits and Stargate SG-1 instantly come to mind besides Star Trek. Maybe Babylon 5, but I'm not as sure.
No matter how many times I watch the original movies, I enjoy them every time. There's just don't make them like they used to.
Arguably the best startrek movie second only to wrath of Khan.
Second best Star Trek film ever made
dug out my old vhs copy of the undiscovered country to watch along.
*Grabs snacks!* This is gonna be gooooood!
Let the die.
Shattered delivery of that line. You felt the pain and hate behind it knowing his reasons.
Spocks reaction to it was perfect. Shock, disappointment, puzzlement all in one.
I really love this video.
This is my favourite of the movies. Classic stuff. Long live ‘The Shat’ the real OG!
Star Trek 6 covers a lot of topics. It has a murder mystery, it shows the tensions between the Federation and the Klingons, and it shows Kirks distrust the the Klingons as he tries to reconcile with making peace with them and forgiving them for his sons death.
The bit about novelisations reminds me about how the Revenge of the Sith novelisation, particularly the audiobook. The amount of stuff that it adds changes the story a lot, and for the better
The scene where they peel the mask off is in the directors cut edition along with a few other additional/lengthened scenes
Been waiting for this one. Everyone likes to point at Wrath of Khan, and I get it. But *this* movie was Star Trek's finest for me.
Settling in for the movie, and go away now
Sulu’s “Are you kidding?” is hilarious!