@@Ray-mj5mj frreal, dudes blaming destiny being a snoring fest when I've had some of the craziest moments with destiny throughout the years with the different seasons having different themes playing both solo and with fireteams, mostly everyone with a mic is so funny and nice its such a gem playing this game throughout the highs and lows, doing raids and meeting cool people, this guy @RennsReviews sounds depressed.
@@C7vette7 Oh I still think Destiny 2 is a game that can’t be saved, Renn’s criticisms are largely legitimate. The reason I bring this up is that Renn is like this with every game; I am coming to the same realization that I changed, and that I need to drop some games from my life if I’m going to have the time to do the things I need to do in my life.
@@C7vette7 I am the exact same age as you, have the same family members, grew up in the same area as you with the same genes and hormones as you. We have the same responsibilities and way of speaking and ideology and gender and appearance. That being said you are wrong and I am right, Destiny 2 is bad.
My favorite part of the video is how you went out of your way to pay homage to that one random player you met named, after a Samsung tv, and you went out and found a real life display section for it at some Best Buy or something. If that guy somehow sees this it will easily be one of his most memorable life memories
Forced to relive a nightmarish scenario until you realize there's no changing the outcome. Ouch. That hits close to home, doesn't it? It's you, coming back to play this game time and time again with the hope that it would be good again.
I know they gon eat you up for this, but as someone that was disappointed by the ending and feels like a lot of people haven’t really had nuanced critiques at all with this I’m so happy to hear your opinion
realized that and realized it'll continue to be like that and that killed it for me. Destiny is the only game I've played where playing other games made me not like it.
This is true if you’re talking about story quality. I fully agree that Destiny’s story content is like a 6 or 7 even at its best moments, and averages at closer to a 4 or 5 out of 10. Maybe even lower if you don’t know or care about the deeper lore and worldbuilding. However if you mean the content in general then this is just flat out wrong. There has never been (and probably never will be) anything like a full on Destiny raid in any other first person shooter ever released. And even if that was the only unique and quality thing this game has ever had going for it (which it isn’t), that alone would make this game worth playing for me personally and many others.
Destiny's writing is so up its own ass, so cryptic and so vague. It dumps exposition on you but all of that exposition requires watching fucking TH-cam videos to parse.
its so bad its not even funny, destiny 1 the writing fit the grimoire cards, especially the book of sorrows cards. but ever since shadowkeep when they brought back eris they gave everyone her terrible writing style. the witness says so much yet it all means so little. it amounts to nothing. made the witness seem like a crybaby and really bad villain
In destiny 1 the game had almost no lore, you had to go to a website and read card text for that In destiny 2 they insult you with exposition dumps you'd expect to see in a Saturday morning cartoon
@@Lakrushmaalive is a bit of a stretch. They could have implemented the big characters like Zavala and co into the campaign so much better. Having them actually help us through certain missions etc. Instead they're just sat around shouting exposition. Then you click on a radio to have a character who you've just been talking to tell you more information via the radio. It all just felt very stilted and half arsed.
@@amongersus2893The only thing that's left from the original Bungie is the name. None of the original people who created halo are left. They've moved on to other companies and different projects.
it's sad that people genuinely think this is a 10/10 expansion... Have they ever played a good video game before??? an actual 10/10 would blow their mind
@@frugaljoker8277 Not that surprising really, lots of Destiny players are literally addicts, so they'll gladly eat up anything that's thrown at them. Also, judging by what games my nephew is playing and has played over the years, I think a lot of younger players just genuinely don't know any better, which is indeed pretty sad.
@@frugaljoker8277 Pls show me someone who thinks this is a 10/10 expansion. Even huge Destiny youtubers who really like it a lot have expressed gripes about it. Jesus, I know hating on Destiny is the popular thing to do but it's actually a really good expansion overall. Sure, it has some major flaws but honestly most of the stuff he's bitching about in this video are either incredibly subjective things that he personally doesn't like or are actual nitpicks. I'm done with Destiny now myself after FS cuz I wanted to see how it ended, but honestly the expansion overall is really good. Especially for a Destiny expansion.
Some of your criticisms are SUPER valid. Having people's backstories in seasonal content that disappears does not make a whole lot of sense. I hate how they handle difficulty in GM's. I'm a titan main. I'm supposed to be the tanky melee class but if I try to punch things in a GM, it is instant death. Stats don't really matter in Destiny anymore. Other criticisms kinda sound like you don't actually play the endgame content. A lot of the mechanics you're looking for are in the raids and dungeons. The symbols aren't actually new. They are from vow of the disciple. That content also does difficulty the best as well.
Umm, stats ABSOLUTELY matter. Resilience is incredibly important in high level content like GMs. And you have to remember that Titans aren't just for punching, they're for DEFENSE. You have Barricades, you have suspend from strand, you have bubble, you have glaciers, you have banner shield. If you want to get in the face of things go play berserker on strand. That class is still VERY much in play for punching things. I can't remember the last time virtually ANY melee centric build was consistent in GMs. Cause that content is meant to be played carefully as a team. Charging in headfirst in grandmaster nightfalls has basically ALWAYS been a death sentence
Respectfully stats are very important for high end content. I farmed the recent gm and my titan friend, who was under leveled, one shot champions at point blank range. Try using peregrine greaves with a melee that matches surge element and run 100 resilience with dmg resist mods
@@greyklopstock7155no they're really not that important. Most subclasses and builds are all about looping abillities over and over with the only builds requiring stats being a 100 strength gravitons forefeit that lets you be invis forever (assuming you dont shoot at an enemy of course) Master raids and grandmaster nightfalls require resilience but you literally cannot convince me to max out mobility on ANY class even hunter since their best build lets them loop their class and melee abillities without any exotics. Stats are balanced around the forsaken era when abilities were way less frequently used and gunplay was the main focus. Buff stats too much PVP is fucked.
@@mrfishhead9905 well that also depends on whether you're playing pve or PVP. If you're playing PVP, every stat matters, including mobility. Like, blink distance is affected by mobility. On an astrocyte warlock, you generally want max mobility so that your blink is as potent as possible. Even then, it's not necessarily about MAXING stats as OPTIMIZING. Like, 70 intellect tends to be the most optimal as it gives you the most difference over base with the least diminished returns. Recovery doesn't diminish. 70 resilience stops a lot of competitive ttk shifts. It all matters
Criticising Destiny, no matter how fairly you try to do it, will always get people going after you. Compare it to Halo, or other shooters? Nah man it's an MMO/live service style game that can't make every update the best. Compare it to MMOs? No man, theres no monthly sub how are the devs gonna make that much content when you only spend money on the expansion and silver? It's one of the reasons I got burned out on discussion with this game, and started drifting away from it a while ago. This is definitely the end for me, there are many better games out there to play.
The issue with comparing it is the fact D2 is not close enough to other games to be compared to them. The closest game is arguably Warframe but both communities agree there's still too many differences to compare them. It's also why so many can't stop playing because if somebody likes a gameplay loop/style of a game they'll generally want more of that but D2 doesn't exactly have anything for people to go to. Games like Borderlands and Warframe are similar but not enough for people to swap to them (Obviously some people will but those looking for another D2 will most likely not)
During lightfall about a good 60 percent of the playerbase were ranting about how they were gonna "finally quite after the final shape expansion" but fast forward to today and they're still eating dog food and saying its chocolate cake. No surprise there.
@@pulatelephonics Bad logic. Never say a microtranscations game is free neither D2 or Warframe are truly free. If they are than games like Diablo mobile could be considered free.
Throughout the entire campaign, I didn't felt like a character in a story, I felt like the physical manifestation of the concept of progression. For all the effort that went into making this a good finale, you as a player feel absent, watching events rather than experiencing them. Ultimately, it's not your story, despite the attempt at making you feel important through the cutscenes and past events. But this organized mess of a narrative is truly one of the major consistencies across this 10 year saga. Fitting that it would end like this, I guess.
Ultimately your guardian is the catalyst for most of the story progressing but otherwise isnt the driving force, character wise due to being a self insert. Which I don't mind too much considering our guardians are legitimately considered to be basically a bunch of goofball loot goblins who are just super good at their jobs.
12:04 pro tip, don’t tell people to play helldivers 2 on a vpn. Sony has been revoking ownership of helldivers 2 to users trying to sidestep sign up with a vpn. Also late news because people in those counties can’t purchase the game regardless anymore, and doing so on a vpn would equally be a waste of money with the same outcome. Speaking from experience
You can and will get banned by steam if you're ever caught Source: tried to order a steamdeck to a friends address so that he can ship it to me since its unavailable in my country and lost my account as a result
In a sense, I'm glad the Final Shape was mid. Now I can leave Destiny safe with the knowledge that it will NEVER get better and I am not missing out on anything worth my time.
Indeed. Well said. I am 2 encounters of the raid from being done for good. I'm thankful for the time spent in this game to a degree but damn, can't wait to finally put it to rest.
Even with the layoffs, Lightfall's disastrous reception and the risk of Sony taking over, Bungie still refuses to put in effort.I think that says everything you need to know about modern Bungie.
Destiny 2 expansions are like your drug dealer telling you they got the real good stuff this time, only for it to be the same stuff under a different name
Yeah sunsetting was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I stopped playing completely but will sometimes watch content on destiny to see how the game is doing.
Hey, crazy good news for you, they undid sunsetting. Dead serious. I've literally seen people running around with Dust Rock Blues and not forgotten in trials. You can whip out whatever weapons or armor you want now, everything is back on the menu
@@aersla1731 lmao suit yourself, I guess. Ngl, 90% of what was sunset is nowhere near as good as the stuff we have now. Like, back in the day, Spare Rations ruled over the crucible. Well, now it is objectively a middle of the road gun. You can use it, but there's better stuff like Rose, Lunas howl, even craftable things like Austringer. Seriously, I've used some of my stuff that's been sunset, and honestly, it's nice for a little nostalgia, but it was kinda dead weight and doesn't keep up anymore. It's still fun to have, but you would've replaced all that stuff with better stuff anyways. But you do you, I guess.
People genuinely think destiny 2 is way better than destiny 1 too, I don't get it. There only argument is builds, crafting, and quality of life it's like they never played destiny 1
@@youraveragehotdog6836destiny 1 for all its faults was much higher quality, had a cohesive aesthetic(s), was subdued and you could actually walk away from a completed content drop satisfied and happy moving on with ur life, D2 is just min viable slop made to suck down every last penny in ur pocket
@@youraveragehotdog6836It is better. In basically every way. There’s more content more frequently. There’s more loot. There’s more customization for your character within subclasses and weapon choices. Theres more interesting raids than Vault of Glass and Kings Fall. And there’s generally just more to do. Destiny 2 has been far and away a better game since Forsaken in 2018. No person can honestly say Destiny 1 was better for any reason other than nostalgia.
@Josh55886 the content that is consistent is worse, dlcs have gotten smaller and more insignificant. The raids are by no means more interesting, the customization I will give you, but I do not inherently think that is a good thing in terms of game design. Sometimes limits are far better than freedom, take tears of the kingdom for example, the game gives too much freedom therefore making the challenge and other aspects of the game not as good as they could have been given restrictions. And out of the 1000ish weapons in destiny 2, only about 200 are widely used or even worth using the rest have identical counterparts. I believe destiny 1 still has better unique content per section of the game, the exotic missions in destiny 2 may be better, but destiny 1 had far more. The grind of destiny 1 also made the payoff feel better. The art style and world building of destiny 1 was way better and that is part of the reason I am personally not interested in modern bungies storytelling. The slower gunplay is another criticism on destiny 1, I really like it. Also the ability to gunplay balance is better as well.
One the biggest reasons why the non-cutscene dialogue scenes are so boring is because our guardian literally never does anything in them, they are never a part of the conversation, you are instead expected to just stand there. It makes our guardian feel so disconnected to the story.
@@reggielacey2235 1 cutscene out of an entire story. You could probably count the amount of meaningful times our guardian has spoken in the past 10 years on one hand.
Having played the final shape, I was so sick of hearing the general conversation among people be that it is great and saved destiny. All I can think is how low some people’s standards have gotten. This dlc does not undo ten years of wasting people’s time and wasting their own creative juices
I thought this too until Echoes began, then I grew bored of the game again. All my time is being spent on the First Descendant and FFXIV Dawntrail now. I think in my case, it was the honeymoon phase wearing off and reality opening my eyes and saying "dude, you're playing the same game."
@@jjhervey4153 ah so why did Destiny outlive most other live-service games for more than 10 years now if its always only saved for 2 weeks? You need to seriously explain your logic here pls cause it makes no sense. And no, 9 likes from random Destiny haters is not an explanation neither is a TH-cam video.
As an avid Destiny player who enjoyed this expansion quite alot I have to agree with many of your points. Just one that griped me is your stance on difficulty - I don't think difficulty is this game's strong point by any means but in a majority of the clips in the harder difficulty of the campaign you're practically refusing to use your abilities or other weapons. Instead you just pepper at enemies with you're primary saying the difficulty feels terrible while ignoring 80% of your arsenal. The difficulty doesn't magically become amazing when you start using everything but I believe it becomes much more enjoyable and you're missing out on a core aspect of the gameplay not using it.
Yeah, like almost everything he said about the story was reasonable, but almost everything he said about the gameplay was hogwash imo. And god, that part where he complains about the “invisible walls” before showing footage of himself slamming into the biggest rock ever and falling off. I was torn between laughing my ass off and being irrationally angry. Does he really think his viewers are that stupid?
The inside of the traveler being a mish mash of the destiny content vault was perhaps the most offensive part of the expansion to me. Not only is everything in the map of literally ZERO consequence to the world, it meant one final recycling of old content. Gone are the times you would wander Old Russia and ask yourself what was the story behind that skeleton, or that old rusted up car. Now you move through a map that is just as devoid of meaning as the pyramid ships are empty. Quite fitting really. Gotta love the parallels.
Because the inside of the traveler IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CHAOTIC MESS. THAT'S WHAT THE LIGHT REPRESENTS. The actual "shape" of the final shape, the thing that the witness is trying to enact, is total calcification. Complete stagnancy. Static. The light, the TRAVELER, on the other hand, is complete chaos. It's random, it's inexplicable, it's unpredictable. It's what gives life. The inside of the traveler is SUPPOSED to be chaotic because it is fighting off the calcification, the essentially big freeze that is the final shape. If you want to wander through ruins with a million questions, go play fallout. This game is not that and never was. It makes NARRATIVE sense, because it is a narrative that they've been building literally for the last decade and this is the finale. The inside of the traveler is SUPPOSED to be a representation of all your experiences, good and bad. It means as much or as little as you make it. There's plenty of things to interact with, stuff that you'll find after the campaign. Like, did you bother to unlock the Khvostov? Or go through overthrow and get different drops of ergo sum? There's tons of stuff with meaning that is literally right there
6:15 this building has been recycled 5 times. 1. D1 PvP map 2. EDZ 3. D2 reused D1 PvP map 4. Seasonal activity (Season of the Lost) 5. This mission (its been more than that possibly).
Nope, definitely more. 6:52 I believe the season of the lost also had this building as well. It's so sad seeing a game I wanted so much more from just to lose itself to profit margins and stuck-up management.
Funnily enough, Scourge of the Past actually had a Fallen barrier mechanic. In order to damage the Fallen enemy, two players had to shoot the front and back in order to disable it and damage the enemy. It only returns for three missions exclusively tied to the exotic trace rifle/a weekly pinnacle. Even then, its a major nuisance on the final boss. As for the final boss? My friends and I only managed to beat it on legendary when I got fed up and switched to a healing build. Our second attempt resulted in a BS wipe when a strand enemy launched a friend and I off the map and we couldn't save the run after that. That wipe was the last straw that led to me using the healing build
Just seeing the campfire stuff I already am reminded of one of my biggest issues with Destiny 2: your character is actually voiced, is forced to wear a helmet most of the time and Ghost does 99% of "your" dialogue. Fuck the "I can't write a character, people want to self-insert" trend, I can't self-insert with a character that has nothing to say all the time.
@@BoopBoop508ESPECIALLY in the Witch Queen. I fucking hated how antagonistic he was to the Luscent Brood just because at first. Its like he was jealous the Huve had their own guardians.
The most thoughtful, honest, and well done criticism I could have asked with my own experience of playing this huge and over hyped let down. Especially the part covering the cheap difficulty done in D2.
People genuinely forget how good and groundbreaking that expansion was. People herald it as amazing and it was, but I will never forget what that expansion did for this franchise.
It's barely been a month yet, and people are already deprived of having anything to do in final shape lmfao. The honeymoon phase ended a lot sooner than I expected tbh. But you can't convince people for long that a mediocre pile of shit is some kind of masterpiece GOTY contender. Destiny 2 and bungie are the definition of fast food gaming. Excpet instead of giving a large quantity of mediocre content that is cheap to purchase. They give low quality, low quantity, and overpriced expansions/seasons. Absolute joke that people give this corporation a pass in the industry, it's disgusting.
This franchise will be remembered forever.... As the perfect illustration of this time in society. Easily amused, yet starved for more. Screen addicted, attention defecit laden people with no real sense of satisfaction in life. Bungie did a masterful job at taking advantage of this. Now, let this game and that company rot in hell where it needs to be.
@jjhervey4153 I always give bungie credit for managing to go this far. Their behaviorial psychology teams have to be top in the world. Ever since D1, they knew how to completely turn their playerbase into stockholm syndrome drooling zombies. They have my respect for managing to lower the standards further and further whilst still making a shit ton of money.
@@panzershreck8077 I think the true skill lies in the fact that they just came out and spoke about how exactly they were lowering the bar, and their playerbase remained.
Only people deprived of stuff to do are the no lifes who play for 10 hours at launch. But whatever I guess. D2 is just one of those games that people complain about because they don’t have anything better to do.
I dont know what people expected tbh. It was funny when if someone had a slightly negative or critical review on launch week the comments were lacing into the supposed heresy. Now a month has passed and player counts are back where they were in April, so clearly the game has no staying power.
Thats due to the episodic model being just as stale as seasons. You cant critique an exspansion by comparing it to another product. Final Shape was great but if we wanna talk about how boring episodes are than lets have that conversation, I'll probably agree. Stop combining the two though. Also exspansions shouldn't be projected as limitless content for a means of success.
@@aruy1639 Apparently you can't read a chart, bro. If you actually went on Steam Charts you'd see D2 was averaging 85k through April, and currently D2 is averaging 85-90k in July (with a current count of 71k).
You know how in the orbit there is an icon in top right corner that if you press it let's you see the current and older expansion and seasons names and let's you play some older campaigns like forsaken. Would be cool if under any of those, in particular the season names, would be like an option to rewatch/revisit the cutscenes because i don't believe Bungie outright deleted all of them.
I quit the campaign 2/3 thru the last mission and deleted it entirely. Didnt even do any exotic quests. This expansion was terrible. Want my money back.
I don’t understand the value proposition of Destiny DLC’s. If most of the expansion is half-baked, what are people paying -50$- 100$ for? The campaign, strike, and raid are hardly worth the price of admission.
destiny dlcs are absurdly overpriced, there's no good reason every dlc starting with beyond light costs more than forsaken and TTK which have far more content for less.
Because it needs very few changes to be an insane game. Hope gets me back everytime. But incompetence and lazyness slowly kills it everytime. Bungie is an overrated gaming studio getting carried by music, art and the ease of acess of its games. The equivalent of Marvel, it's good looking, is fun, but has no backbone.
Destiny 2 players and youtubers are still coping that The Final Shape was something special. It really wasn't. It wasn't bad for a Destiny expansion, but it wasn't great like everyone is claiming. It's just another expansion, which means the same gameplay sprinkled with rushed story telling and amateurish characterization.
I want to congratulate Bungie on making Nimbus no longer the most annoying and unlikable character. That role is taken by Micha 10. I now agree with Cyrell the Ghost hunter and hope I will be able to help him.
TFS is fine but its no where near as good as Forsaken or Taken King. Not even close. Those expansions actually gave so much PvP content and strikes for that matter. They also gave waaaaay more exotics.
Ah, seems I made the right decision to not bother with this expansion. * I'm bored of the gameplay. * I hate watching characters talk to each other like I'm not there, but the game forcing me to "witness" it (seriously that's the quest step, "witness them talk", lol). * The encounter mechanics are just copied and pasted from other parts of the game I've already played too much of. * Then they kill off Cayde-6 in the end anyway just to make sure I really don't have any reason to come back... sure... okay, bungo.
homes cayde 6 was already dead he came back for a short part he even states he doesn't want to be here he wants to be apart of the light again he sacrificed his life and found purpose in himself which he wanted
he makes some good points but he misses thee entire point of destiny if all you do is buy the expansion for the campaign then don't buy destiny its a looter shooter you grind hard activities for loot you make builds with said loot to make endgame activities easier its not a oh I played the campaign now im done game
While the art direction and story of the expansion i enjoyed to a degree, the legendary campaign was a slog fest and as soon as i beat the witness solo i stopped playing and went to elden ring, i actually used elden ring and bloodborne as a comfort game to get away from the cheap gimmicky bullshit that is destiny 2 😂
As soon as I saw in the preview that none of the game’s core issues were even acknowledged I was immediately disinterested, 9 years of being strung along, good riddance, god I miss the bliss of the D1 days
Well, I assumed that's because Vow takes place in a pyramid ship, and since the Witness's main fighting forces are in the pale heart, it would make sense for them to be using the vow symbols too. Fyi, you can find those symbols in other places in the game if you know where to look. Lightfall had stuff resembling the vow symbols, and in the Salvation's Edge raid, the boxes that you deposit resonance in have the "give" symbol from vow on them. The symbols in Vow are meant to be key iconography for the witness and its followers. It is expected that we see those symbols again, especially as we enter the belly of the beast and get closer to the core of what the witness is. You ever noticed that the subjugators all look like Rhulk? Well, Rhulk is literally the FIRST subjugator in existence, and was in many ways the most powerful.
Hey, I used to watch your destiny videos. Unfortunately I'm still into the game. Haven't found another game that scratches the same itch that destiny does.
@@cow2hug483 im gonna be honest with you, warframe for a new player feels almost as beginner unfriendly as destiny 2 is, which is why i stuck with that instead, since i already was acquainted with the base formula that destiny provided me, that and i just prefer fps to tps
The whole point is the universe saga has been going for 10 years yes it sucks to learn about as a new light but if you have been apart of the game for even a few months you see the story there's also cutscenes that im sure you skipped
@@braydengeick4015 What else would you like to assume I did or didn't? Way to start a conversation. Do you expect that I'd answer to this with anything but snark? And let's assume here: then you'll get insulted and tell me I'm an asshole or something. Eat my ass.
@@braydengeick4015 What else would you like to assume I did or didn't? Way to start a conversation. Do you expect that I'd answer to this with anything but snark? And let's assume here: you'll get insulted and accuse me of not being civil. After that kind of lowly, barbaric behavior you just displayed.
Oops, was I wrong and you just decided not to continue? Who could've thought that making assumptions about a stranger you just met on the internet is a silly idea?
Thank you for making me feel like I'm not insane; I played the main part of the expansion storyline, and felt... nothing. Flatlined. Bored, even. Tried playing with some folks, but... I dunno, the moment I felt the FOMO creep in again, I just balked and bucked. I felt it was inconsequential and just... pointless. Just "more of the same". Yet another bite of flavourless slop given with a nice packaging. But with so much potential. Everyone else was all "We're cooking again", and I was "This is all reheated leftovers from all the previous activities..?". And even the "new" stuff like the new enemies, I honestly didn't know they were new. Except the gargoyle-looking flying bats things. But replace those with basically the vex flying things and it's... basically the same. I dunno, I was completely underwhelmed, and everyone else was all "IT'S SO GOOD". I didn't see it, and I guess I'm not alone in this. So, again, thank you. :X
Stale game. They came up with mechanics and templates of what to do years ago, then never inovated on those. Honestly, this makes me think a Destiny 3 might've turned out better (not saying it'd be good).
The phalanx bopping mechanic is fine, but combining it being tank as hell, forcing you to use anti barrier, & spamming tons of them at choke points.. That's when it comes to be unenjoyable
I genuinely loved the expansion. It had issues but it wasn’t bad and I was happy with the way it ended. It was a good sendoff for me after being here for 10 years.
I thought it was pretty poor, the witness was a terrible villain and the final mission while fun was corny and was a marvel endgame copy "let's get together and beat the witness gang!" While the other npcs that haven't been important in years did fuck all
I felt the same way, I thought it was weird none of the Destiny shills pointed how so much of this dlc was just reused content presented differently, the few "new" enemies were more annoying than different, the story had feelings I guess but was kinda dumb and the campaign was mostly rinse and repeat gameplay. I quit D2 after Lightfall for over a year, I hated it more than beyond light, but I came back to see the end, it was what I expected in many ways, it looked cool but I'm so bored with this game.
Finally a competent analysis and response. Well said. For all the praise it was getting, anyone with any measure time in this game realized early on what was happening. Why was a brand new race, something we've wanted forever introduced at the very end of the story? Why did it feel like I was running through VOW and RON for half the story? It's because all of this could have made sense if they didn't cut content to slow bleed its ending. Shameful trash.
The final shape was an unnholy amalgamation of recycled content, uninspired narrative and half-baked game-design. As a long-time player and once loyal player of Destiny, I dropped the game after playing five minutes of the intro misssion. This shitty DLC and the current season is the last insult to dedicated players. Bungie's current model of publishing games as a live-service cash-cows is not sustainable for maintaining a steady or engaged player-base. Most "triple A" studios keep reproducing this horrid publishing model, which will ALWAYS be short-lived because of its diminishing returns. Video games used to be culture defining and financially sucessful, now majority of them are just a series of disappointing investment-drains for players and studios. The only few consilations in this gaming hellscape are inspired, captivating and complete games like Black Myth Wukong, Cyberpunk 2077 or Baldur's Gate 3.
I swear, this dlc, beyond light, lightfall, and witch queen all felt the same. Bungie found the formula for casuals and milked it. People saying this is the best state destiny has ever been is have to be tweaking because the game has never felt easier, more hollow, and more casual focused than ever. Get everything handed to you and the actual hard content in the game gives no actual reward besides pretty weapon reskins with adept slapped in the title or an emblem or title
anything more than those are "overdelivery", Look up Bungie's GDC 2022. The homogeneous "content" post activision is no mistake, and they seem hellbent on never overdelivering again and with the baffling acclaim of the witch queen and now The Final shape, the fans are more than willing to lap it up.
You hit the nail on the head. I never understood why everyone was so positive about Witch Queen...all of these expansions are just the same with slightly better story telling than the many story garbage fires Bungie have put out for campaigns. These expansions have been good only by Destiny standards and it's a sign of how everyone with a brain by now has largely moved on from the game that the Destiny 2 community will praise these expansions and seasons and say that the story was super emotional or whatever. Like have these people ever watched or played anything other than hollywood and triple A studio generic slop? Agh! I have to stop myself. Nothing gets me going like a Destiny discussion. I'm not over what happened in 2014 and 2017.
@@frugaljoker8277 what gets me is half the stuff in the game now the fanbase wouldnt stand for back in 2018-19, people used to call for harder content all the time, the game gets easier every year and theyre fine with it now. People ccomplained about lack of end game, the end game is almost non existent and they dont complain. people complained about how small beyond light was, wq lightfall and final shape are all around the same size and no one cares. the community has fallen so far its not even funny
I disagree with a lot of this video but I heavily agree with Part 4 of this video, specifically the part with Zavala’s backstory being a seasonal story beat. We knew already that Zavala had a kid and wife but you’d only really know this if you read the lore thats been added over the many many many seasons and years. Having to play content that gets removed after an expansion cycle in order to understand the next expansion’s story is one of the worst aspect of the game for new players. Stories like this need to be permanent in some way so that new players can understand how the world works and evolves. It’s why I personally despise the seasonal model that doesn’t seem like it’s gonna change much with episodes, and that’s coming from someone who’s played every expansion and season except for dawn and worthy.
Every Destiny fan: DESTINY IS BROKEN GARBAGE!!!!! Also every Destiny fan: I REALLY REALLY CAN'T WAIT TO GIVE BUNGIE MORE MONEY FOR THE EXPANSION!!!!!! Also also every Destiny fan: THE LATEST EXAPANSION IS BROKEN GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!
I really wish I hadn't abandoned it like 3 years ago. Now I feel like a straggler in the game and it feels almost pointless to try and join a clan and make friends but I wanna see it through to the end since I began Destiny in 2014.
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Renn, have you ever thought that you just don’t like games? You don’t seem to be happier playing them.
@@Ray-mj5mj frreal, dudes blaming destiny being a snoring fest when I've had some of the craziest moments with destiny throughout the years with the different seasons having different themes playing both solo and with fireteams, mostly everyone with a mic is so funny and nice its such a gem playing this game throughout the highs and lows, doing raids and meeting cool people, this guy @RennsReviews sounds depressed.
@@C7vette7 Oh I still think Destiny 2 is a game that can’t be saved, Renn’s criticisms are largely legitimate.
The reason I bring this up is that Renn is like this with every game; I am coming to the same realization that I changed, and that I need to drop some games from my life if I’m going to have the time to do the things I need to do in my life.
@@C7vette7 I am the exact same age as you, have the same family members, grew up in the same area as you with the same genes and hormones as you. We have the same responsibilities and way of speaking and ideology and gender and appearance.
That being said you are wrong and I am right, Destiny 2 is bad.
I feel like i got the definitive destiny 2 experience from not even knowing who Susan is.
You need not know her, to miss her as I do.
Even though it was a skit, I still flinched at the idea of you trying to "eat" the legendary banana.
That wasn't a skit, Renn actually did that
It was not a skit. That was the reason he didnt stream that much the last days. Mouth wounds are a duck to flick.
I've watched the video. Now you can delete it.
Vault it
Cholla moth ay
lol
Imagine not even watching the video
*Bungie with seasonal story content*
U gonna make a lot of 12 years old mad with this review
They are already in the comments 😂
Always enjoy how you work the Gun names into the script haha
That's just the Khvost ov having a youtube channel.
same
My favorite part of the video is how you went out of your way to pay homage to that one random player you met named, after a Samsung tv, and you went out and found a real life display section for it at some Best Buy or something. If that guy somehow sees this it will easily be one of his most memorable life memories
Forced to relive a nightmarish scenario until you realize there's no changing the outcome. Ouch. That hits close to home, doesn't it? It's you, coming back to play this game time and time again with the hope that it would be good again.
makes me depresstiny 😐
Glad you roasted Bungo on their trash tier psychology about difficulty.
"retarge" fucking killed me lmao, it's time to sunset the video
I know they gon eat you up for this, but as someone that was disappointed by the ending and feels like a lot of people haven’t really had nuanced critiques at all with this I’m so happy to hear your opinion
Finally finished the expansion, and I'm happy. Not because it was great, but because it's finally over. I now can happily quit destiny with an ending
Part of being a destiny fan is accepting that the highest highs of destiny content is a 6/10 for most other games
realized that and realized it'll continue to be like that and that killed it for me. Destiny is the only game I've played where playing other games made me not like it.
Bingo!! A strong 6 for 21 days..... Then it goes back to a 4.5/10 👍🏾
I just play Destiny for the loot
I've played some of the most popular open world games and I still like destiny if you don't like it don't play it
This is true if you’re talking about story quality. I fully agree that Destiny’s story content is like a 6 or 7 even at its best moments, and averages at closer to a 4 or 5 out of 10. Maybe even lower if you don’t know or care about the deeper lore and worldbuilding.
However if you mean the content in general then this is just flat out wrong. There has never been (and probably never will be) anything like a full on Destiny raid in any other first person shooter ever released. And even if that was the only unique and quality thing this game has ever had going for it (which it isn’t), that alone would make this game worth playing for me personally and many others.
I've "ghosted" this game for awhile now. My interest was all but "vaulted".
Unfortunately for me the Gjallarhorn has sounded for Bungie's Ragnarök.
Destiny's writing is so up its own ass, so cryptic and so vague. It dumps exposition on you but all of that exposition requires watching fucking TH-cam videos to parse.
its so bad its not even funny, destiny 1 the writing fit the grimoire cards, especially the book of sorrows cards. but ever since shadowkeep when they brought back eris they gave everyone her terrible writing style. the witness says so much yet it all means so little. it amounts to nothing. made the witness seem like a crybaby and really bad villain
In destiny 1 the game had almost no lore, you had to go to a website and read card text for that
In destiny 2 they insult you with exposition dumps you'd expect to see in a Saturday morning cartoon
it really is a curse to expect an audience to have critical thinking
@@scarletnoct5807 not everyone has time to read novel-long lore after taking hours to fully unlock them
"It's different somehow" 10/10 meta line. It captures everything about destiny. From story to new content
I hate the characters sitting around talking to each other thing. I wish they would just give us cutscenes. It just immediately takes me out of it.
To think these are the people that brought us halo
Tbh I prefer it. Makes them feel actually alive in the game
@@Lakrushmaalive is a bit of a stretch. They could have implemented the big characters like Zavala and co into the campaign so much better. Having them actually help us through certain missions etc. Instead they're just sat around shouting exposition. Then you click on a radio to have a character who you've just been talking to tell you more information via the radio. It all just felt very stilted and half arsed.
@@amongersus2893The only thing that's left from the original Bungie is the name. None of the original people who created halo are left. They've moved on to other companies and different projects.
There were more cutscenes in this than any other expansion before it what do you mean?
your channel has the biggest effort to view ratio of any channel that i have seen, your work goes seriously unseen
"..and nobody wants downs" 💀
destiny players defend it like theyre trying to impress their alcoholic step father, ten years of mediocrity from such a vibrant frame of creativity
😂 True 😂
it's sad that people genuinely think this is a 10/10 expansion... Have they ever played a good video game before??? an actual 10/10 would blow their mind
@@frugaljoker8277For real. The group is insane
@@frugaljoker8277 Not that surprising really, lots of Destiny players are literally addicts, so they'll gladly eat up anything that's thrown at them. Also, judging by what games my nephew is playing and has played over the years, I think a lot of younger players just genuinely don't know any better, which is indeed pretty sad.
@@frugaljoker8277 Pls show me someone who thinks this is a 10/10 expansion. Even huge Destiny youtubers who really like it a lot have expressed gripes about it. Jesus, I know hating on Destiny is the popular thing to do but it's actually a really good expansion overall. Sure, it has some major flaws but honestly most of the stuff he's bitching about in this video are either incredibly subjective things that he personally doesn't like or are actual nitpicks. I'm done with Destiny now myself after FS cuz I wanted to see how it ended, but honestly the expansion overall is really good. Especially for a Destiny expansion.
Some of your criticisms are SUPER valid. Having people's backstories in seasonal content that disappears does not make a whole lot of sense. I hate how they handle difficulty in GM's. I'm a titan main. I'm supposed to be the tanky melee class but if I try to punch things in a GM, it is instant death. Stats don't really matter in Destiny anymore. Other criticisms kinda sound like you don't actually play the endgame content. A lot of the mechanics you're looking for are in the raids and dungeons. The symbols aren't actually new. They are from vow of the disciple. That content also does difficulty the best as well.
Umm, stats ABSOLUTELY matter. Resilience is incredibly important in high level content like GMs. And you have to remember that Titans aren't just for punching, they're for DEFENSE. You have Barricades, you have suspend from strand, you have bubble, you have glaciers, you have banner shield. If you want to get in the face of things go play berserker on strand. That class is still VERY much in play for punching things. I can't remember the last time virtually ANY melee centric build was consistent in GMs. Cause that content is meant to be played carefully as a team. Charging in headfirst in grandmaster nightfalls has basically ALWAYS been a death sentence
Respectfully stats are very important for high end content. I farmed the recent gm and my titan friend, who was under leveled, one shot champions at point blank range. Try using peregrine greaves with a melee that matches surge element and run 100 resilience with dmg resist mods
@@aksis7187 agreed. You need to have high resilience in high end content, and your ability cool downs are CRUCIAL
@@greyklopstock7155no they're really not that important. Most subclasses and builds are all about looping abillities over and over with the only builds requiring stats being a 100 strength gravitons forefeit that lets you be invis forever (assuming you dont shoot at an enemy of course)
Master raids and grandmaster nightfalls require resilience but you literally cannot convince me to max out mobility on ANY class even hunter since their best build lets them loop their class and melee abillities without any exotics.
Stats are balanced around the forsaken era when abilities were way less frequently used and gunplay was the main focus. Buff stats too much PVP is fucked.
@@mrfishhead9905 well that also depends on whether you're playing pve or PVP. If you're playing PVP, every stat matters, including mobility. Like, blink distance is affected by mobility. On an astrocyte warlock, you generally want max mobility so that your blink is as potent as possible. Even then, it's not necessarily about MAXING stats as OPTIMIZING. Like, 70 intellect tends to be the most optimal as it gives you the most difference over base with the least diminished returns. Recovery doesn't diminish. 70 resilience stops a lot of competitive ttk shifts. It all matters
Criticising Destiny, no matter how fairly you try to do it, will always get people going after you. Compare it to Halo, or other shooters? Nah man it's an MMO/live service style game that can't make every update the best. Compare it to MMOs? No man, theres no monthly sub how are the devs gonna make that much content when you only spend money on the expansion and silver? It's one of the reasons I got burned out on discussion with this game, and started drifting away from it a while ago. This is definitely the end for me, there are many better games out there to play.
Spit
The issue with comparing it is the fact D2 is not close enough to other games to be compared to them. The closest game is arguably Warframe but both communities agree there's still too many differences to compare them. It's also why so many can't stop playing because if somebody likes a gameplay loop/style of a game they'll generally want more of that but D2 doesn't exactly have anything for people to go to. Games like Borderlands and Warframe are similar but not enough for people to swap to them (Obviously some people will but those looking for another D2 will most likely not)
During lightfall about a good 60 percent of the playerbase were ranting about how they were gonna "finally quite after the final shape expansion" but fast forward to today and they're still eating dog food and saying its chocolate cake. No surprise there.
@@wintereclipse3263Warframe is still infinitely better just by proxy of actually being free 💀
@@pulatelephonics Bad logic. Never say a microtranscations game is free neither D2 or Warframe are truly free. If they are than games like Diablo mobile could be considered free.
Throughout the entire campaign, I didn't felt like a character in a story, I felt like the physical manifestation of the concept of progression. For all the effort that went into making this a good finale, you as a player feel absent, watching events rather than experiencing them. Ultimately, it's not your story, despite the attempt at making you feel important through the cutscenes and past events.
But this organized mess of a narrative is truly one of the major consistencies across this 10 year saga. Fitting that it would end like this, I guess.
Ultimately your guardian is the catalyst for most of the story progressing but otherwise isnt the driving force, character wise due to being a self insert. Which I don't mind too much considering our guardians are legitimately considered to be basically a bunch of goofball loot goblins who are just super good at their jobs.
MY BROTHERSSS
I WILL NEVER BETRAY YOU AGAINNNN
When Zalava prime said that before turning into a truck i really felt that.
ALLL I"VE DOOOOOOOOOOOOONE
12:04 pro tip, don’t tell people to play helldivers 2 on a vpn. Sony has been revoking ownership of helldivers 2 to users trying to sidestep sign up with a vpn. Also late news because people in those counties can’t purchase the game regardless anymore, and doing so on a vpn would equally be a waste of money with the same outcome. Speaking from experience
You can and will get banned by steam if you're ever caught
Source: tried to order a steamdeck to a friends address so that he can ship it to me since its unavailable in my country and lost my account as a result
@@mrfishhead9905 because of legal stuff with your country steam can get in trouble if they don't
@@mrfishhead9905That's literally insane how is a steam deck not available in a country you just have to ship it. Valve sucks ass sometimes lmao wtf
@@mrfishhead9905 Fucking wild. Sorry that happened to you
In a sense, I'm glad the Final Shape was mid. Now I can leave Destiny safe with the knowledge that it will NEVER get better and I am not missing out on anything worth my time.
Indeed. Well said. I am 2 encounters of the raid from being done for good. I'm thankful for the time spent in this game to a degree but damn, can't wait to finally put it to rest.
Even with the layoffs, Lightfall's disastrous reception and the risk of Sony taking over, Bungie still refuses to put in effort.I think that says everything you need to know about modern Bungie.
Destiny 2 expansions are like your drug dealer telling you they got the real good stuff this time, only for it to be the same stuff under a different name
It’s Stardog. Again.
it really is just the same thing over and over thats why so many people stopped playing
Bruh be teelin ya he got the good as shiatch but gives you bummarse seeds lol
Got them yellow tops, better than the blue tops...
Yeah sunsetting was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I stopped playing completely but will sometimes watch content on destiny to see how the game is doing.
Hey, crazy good news for you, they undid sunsetting. Dead serious. I've literally seen people running around with Dust Rock Blues and not forgotten in trials. You can whip out whatever weapons or armor you want now, everything is back on the menu
@@greyklopstock7155 A little too late.
@@aersla1731 lmao suit yourself, I guess. Ngl, 90% of what was sunset is nowhere near as good as the stuff we have now. Like, back in the day, Spare Rations ruled over the crucible. Well, now it is objectively a middle of the road gun. You can use it, but there's better stuff like Rose, Lunas howl, even craftable things like Austringer. Seriously, I've used some of my stuff that's been sunset, and honestly, it's nice for a little nostalgia, but it was kinda dead weight and doesn't keep up anymore. It's still fun to have, but you would've replaced all that stuff with better stuff anyways. But you do you, I guess.
It makes no sense considering FF14 has existed for longer, has vastly more content, and has no cut content.
@@greyklopstock7155 Screw everyone that wants to experience the entire game in order, then. They clearly don't matter.
Why people gave Destiny any attention after Taken King, after all the controversy with the scummy shit from day 1 exp throttling, I'll never know.
People genuinely think destiny 2 is way better than destiny 1 too, I don't get it. There only argument is builds, crafting, and quality of life it's like they never played destiny 1
@@youraveragehotdog6836destiny 1 for all its faults was much higher quality, had a cohesive aesthetic(s), was subdued and you could actually walk away from a completed content drop satisfied and happy moving on with ur life, D2 is just min viable slop made to suck down every last penny in ur pocket
Taken King was great. I don’t really care about XP throttling that happened 10 years ago. Holding a grudge for 10 years seems a bit unhealthy bud.
@@youraveragehotdog6836It is better. In basically every way. There’s more content more frequently. There’s more loot. There’s more customization for your character within subclasses and weapon choices. Theres more interesting raids than Vault of Glass and Kings Fall. And there’s generally just more to do. Destiny 2 has been far and away a better game since Forsaken in 2018. No person can honestly say Destiny 1 was better for any reason other than nostalgia.
@Josh55886 the content that is consistent is worse, dlcs have gotten smaller and more insignificant. The raids are by no means more interesting, the customization I will give you, but I do not inherently think that is a good thing in terms of game design. Sometimes limits are far better than freedom, take tears of the kingdom for example, the game gives too much freedom therefore making the challenge and other aspects of the game not as good as they could have been given restrictions. And out of the 1000ish weapons in destiny 2, only about 200 are widely used or even worth using the rest have identical counterparts. I believe destiny 1 still has better unique content per section of the game, the exotic missions in destiny 2 may be better, but destiny 1 had far more. The grind of destiny 1 also made the payoff feel better. The art style and world building of destiny 1 was way better and that is part of the reason I am personally not interested in modern bungies storytelling. The slower gunplay is another criticism on destiny 1, I really like it. Also the ability to gunplay balance is better as well.
Rewatching after the recent layoffs. He was right before, and is still right.
One the biggest reasons why the non-cutscene dialogue scenes are so boring is because our guardian literally never does anything in them, they are never a part of the conversation, you are instead expected to just stand there. It makes our guardian feel so disconnected to the story.
bro havent watched the final mission cutscene
@@reggielacey2235 1 cutscene out of an entire story. You could probably count the amount of meaningful times our guardian has spoken in the past 10 years on one hand.
@@reggielacey2235 you have brain rot!
Having played the final shape, I was so sick of hearing the general conversation among people be that it is great and saved destiny. All I can think is how low some people’s standards have gotten. This dlc does not undo ten years of wasting people’s time and wasting their own creative juices
Bingo - how many times do we need to see it? "DESTINY IS SAVED....for 2 weeks."
I thought this too until Echoes began, then I grew bored of the game again. All my time is being spent on the First Descendant and FFXIV Dawntrail now.
I think in my case, it was the honeymoon phase wearing off and reality opening my eyes and saying "dude, you're playing the same game."
Oh man when I saw how quickly Echos would begin. I knew there would be very little meat on final shapes bones.
@@jjhervey4153 ah so why did Destiny outlive most other live-service games for more than 10 years now if its always only saved for 2 weeks? You need to seriously explain your logic here pls cause it makes no sense. And no, 9 likes from random Destiny haters is not an explanation neither is a TH-cam video.
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 First Descendant will die quicker than you can say Destiny xD
Gotta say if Witness just told me he would give me free silver, i would betray the traveller in a heartbeat
Final Shape revived Destiny 2.
For two weeks.
It’s still going very strong
@@theassassin2514the content or the people grinding it?
@@aSkymneboth, the content is great
ok bro
@@Grinchillahoof
Bungie’s art team deserves so much better
Seeing this through to the end of the raid and finally moving on. On the 4th encounter - should be a fun 9 weeks. 😀
Exactly.
The art and sound teams are the ONLY talent left at that studio.
Not for the recycle and repurpose fest that is Final Shape.
Wow, I've gone on such an amazing ten year journey with this franchise, by watching other people's TH-cam rants about it.
I only played Destiny for about two years. The other eight(?) years were spent viewing it through the eyes of youtubers
As an avid Destiny player who enjoyed this expansion quite alot I have to agree with many of your points. Just one that griped me is your stance on difficulty - I don't think difficulty is this game's strong point by any means but in a majority of the clips in the harder difficulty of the campaign you're practically refusing to use your abilities or other weapons. Instead you just pepper at enemies with you're primary saying the difficulty feels terrible while ignoring 80% of your arsenal. The difficulty doesn't magically become amazing when you start using everything but I believe it becomes much more enjoyable and you're missing out on a core aspect of the gameplay not using it.
Yeah, like almost everything he said about the story was reasonable, but almost everything he said about the gameplay was hogwash imo.
And god, that part where he complains about the “invisible walls” before showing footage of himself slamming into the biggest rock ever and falling off. I was torn between laughing my ass off and being irrationally angry. Does he really think his viewers are that stupid?
They hated rennn with 2 ns because he spoke truth
You hit all those nails with precision. Really good points made here.
The inside of the traveler being a mish mash of the destiny content vault was perhaps the most offensive part of the expansion to me. Not only is everything in the map of literally ZERO consequence to the world, it meant one final recycling of old content. Gone are the times you would wander Old Russia and ask yourself what was the story behind that skeleton, or that old rusted up car. Now you move through a map that is just as devoid of meaning as the pyramid ships are empty. Quite fitting really. Gotta love the parallels.
Because the inside of the traveler IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CHAOTIC MESS. THAT'S WHAT THE LIGHT REPRESENTS. The actual "shape" of the final shape, the thing that the witness is trying to enact, is total calcification. Complete stagnancy. Static. The light, the TRAVELER, on the other hand, is complete chaos. It's random, it's inexplicable, it's unpredictable. It's what gives life. The inside of the traveler is SUPPOSED to be chaotic because it is fighting off the calcification, the essentially big freeze that is the final shape. If you want to wander through ruins with a million questions, go play fallout. This game is not that and never was. It makes NARRATIVE sense, because it is a narrative that they've been building literally for the last decade and this is the finale.
The inside of the traveler is SUPPOSED to be a representation of all your experiences, good and bad. It means as much or as little as you make it. There's plenty of things to interact with, stuff that you'll find after the campaign. Like, did you bother to unlock the Khvostov? Or go through overthrow and get different drops of ergo sum? There's tons of stuff with meaning that is literally right there
@@greyklopstock7155 Bruh its not that deep, chill.
6:15 this building has been recycled 5 times.
1. D1 PvP map
2. EDZ
3. D2 reused D1 PvP map
4. Seasonal activity (Season of the Lost)
5. This mission
(its been more than that possibly).
Nope, definitely more. 6:52 I believe the season of the lost also had this building as well. It's so sad seeing a game I wanted so much more from just to lose itself to profit margins and stuck-up management.
Funnily enough, Scourge of the Past actually had a Fallen barrier mechanic. In order to damage the Fallen enemy, two players had to shoot the front and back in order to disable it and damage the enemy.
It only returns for three missions exclusively tied to the exotic trace rifle/a weekly pinnacle. Even then, its a major nuisance on the final boss.
As for the final boss? My friends and I only managed to beat it on legendary when I got fed up and switched to a healing build. Our second attempt resulted in a BS wipe when a strand enemy launched a friend and I off the map and we couldn't save the run after that. That wipe was the last straw that led to me using the healing build
Hell yeah I saw a new DLC dropped and thought “I’m not playing that, I’ll just watch the Renn video”
Just seeing the campfire stuff I already am reminded of one of my biggest issues with Destiny 2: your character is actually voiced, is forced to wear a helmet most of the time and Ghost does 99% of "your" dialogue. Fuck the "I can't write a character, people want to self-insert" trend, I can't self-insert with a character that has nothing to say all the time.
The ghost has some of the cringiest dialogue too.
You know you can take you helmet off or set it off/on for cutscenes in the settings right
@@riflescientist1744 Oh yeah, the cutscenes that I saw like twice, yeah.
@@BoopBoop508ESPECIALLY in the Witch Queen.
I fucking hated how antagonistic he was to the Luscent Brood just because at first. Its like he was jealous the Huve had their own guardians.
@@thyCarrotit’s the hive we’re obviously going to be antagonistic and want to kill the evil space villains with their own magic and our magic
The most thoughtful, honest, and well done criticism I could have asked with my own experience of playing this huge and over hyped let down. Especially the part covering the cheap difficulty done in D2.
Honest? It's literally a hate piece he gives almost no credit where credit is due lol
@@oxsila .............................
I was very surprised to see such high praise for this expansion. It's definitely better than most of the others but I had a lot of problems with it.
I remember when destiny felt fresh. Last time I actually gave an ioda about destiny was in taken king.
People genuinely forget how good and groundbreaking that expansion was. People herald it as amazing and it was, but I will never forget what that expansion did for this franchise.
It’s cuz you don’t know how to play the game. Casuals cry about the game being to easy but never even attempt hard content
@@Multiplex016destiny players have no idea what "hard" content is
@@Slavic_Snake bro did not do contest salvations edge
@@Multiplex016 bro thinks not knowing what to do = hard content 💀💀
It's barely been a month yet, and people are already deprived of having anything to do in final shape lmfao. The honeymoon phase ended a lot sooner than I expected tbh. But you can't convince people for long that a mediocre pile of shit is some kind of masterpiece GOTY contender.
Destiny 2 and bungie are the definition of fast food gaming. Excpet instead of giving a large quantity of mediocre content that is cheap to purchase. They give low quality, low quantity, and overpriced expansions/seasons. Absolute joke that people give this corporation a pass in the industry, it's disgusting.
This franchise will be remembered forever....
As the perfect illustration of this time in society. Easily amused, yet starved for more. Screen addicted, attention defecit laden people with no real sense of satisfaction in life. Bungie did a masterful job at taking advantage of this.
Now, let this game and that company rot in hell where it needs to be.
@jjhervey4153 I always give bungie credit for managing to go this far. Their behaviorial psychology teams have to be top in the world. Ever since D1, they knew how to completely turn their playerbase into stockholm syndrome drooling zombies.
They have my respect for managing to lower the standards further and further whilst still making a shit ton of money.
@@panzershreck8077 I think the true skill lies in the fact that they just came out and spoke about how exactly they were lowering the bar, and their playerbase remained.
Only people deprived of stuff to do are the no lifes who play for 10 hours at launch. But whatever I guess. D2 is just one of those games that people complain about because they don’t have anything better to do.
I dont know what people expected tbh. It was funny when if someone had a slightly negative or critical review on launch week the comments were lacing into the supposed heresy. Now a month has passed and player counts are back where they were in April, so clearly the game has no staying power.
Thats due to the episodic model being just as stale as seasons. You cant critique an exspansion by comparing it to another product. Final Shape was great but if we wanna talk about how boring episodes are than lets have that conversation, I'll probably agree. Stop combining the two though. Also exspansions shouldn't be projected as limitless content for a means of success.
@@Lakrushma I can compare it to Destiny.
Weird, it's almost like I was saying this same exact thing - "give it 2 weeks and then tell me it's the best." LOL.
Source trust me bro, steam charts actually states that D2 has currently double the playerbase compared to april
@@aruy1639 Apparently you can't read a chart, bro. If you actually went on Steam Charts you'd see D2 was averaging 85k through April, and currently D2 is averaging 85-90k in July (with a current count of 71k).
You know how in the orbit there is an icon in top right corner that if you press it let's you see the current and older expansion and seasons names and let's you play some older campaigns like forsaken. Would be cool if under any of those, in particular the season names, would be like an option to rewatch/revisit the cutscenes because i don't believe Bungie outright deleted all of them.
I quit the campaign 2/3 thru the last mission and deleted it entirely. Didnt even do any exotic quests. This expansion was terrible. Want my money back.
You're bugging, final shape is good
Edit: ok fine
Good save
I don’t understand the value proposition of Destiny DLC’s. If most of the expansion is half-baked, what are people paying -50$- 100$ for? The campaign, strike, and raid are hardly worth the price of admission.
destiny dlcs are absurdly overpriced, there's no good reason every dlc starting with beyond light costs more than forsaken and TTK which have far more content for less.
Because it needs very few changes to be an insane game.
Hope gets me back everytime. But incompetence and lazyness slowly kills it everytime.
Bungie is an overrated gaming studio getting carried by music, art and the ease of acess of its games.
The equivalent of Marvel, it's good looking, is fun, but has no backbone.
You get an entire year of content for $100 I play 100-200hrs a year it's a great deal
@@austinlittle4576no you do not and no it is not.
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@@austinlittle4576 I've played Elden Ring for 2 years and it cost $60, and I'm not even done yet.
Im surprised you expected anything good out of modern Bungie in the first place
Can't believe you brought back Susan from the dead for this review.
Destiny 2 players and youtubers are still coping that The Final Shape was something special. It really wasn't. It wasn't bad for a Destiny expansion, but it wasn't great like everyone is claiming. It's just another expansion, which means the same gameplay sprinkled with rushed story telling and amateurish characterization.
nAh bRo bUnGiE cOoKeD, FiNaL sHaPe wAs A bAnGeR 🥴
your dog is smarter than my ex-girlfriend
When you realize you chose to date her.....
destiny poo: the final shit
LOL !
Hahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahaha
I've been waiting for this video and it never showed up in my feed. sad days
oh gee I was right all along! the enemies are BORING and there should EASILY be twice as many types
I want to congratulate Bungie on making Nimbus no longer the most annoying and unlikable character. That role is taken by Micha 10. I now agree with Cyrell the Ghost hunter and hope I will be able to help him.
TFS is fine but its no where near as good as Forsaken or Taken King. Not even close. Those expansions actually gave so much PvP content and strikes for that matter. They also gave waaaaay more exotics.
Omg grandma is back!!! Im so excited. Iconic character from the OG episodes.
Who is this brown-haired imposter and what has he done to the real Renn?
2:05 my brother, you bumped into a very visible rock. That’s on you
29:53 lmao. It's an old raid mechanic. From Witch Queen
35:49 this is really a great suggestion. This would've been pretty epic.
Ah, seems I made the right decision to not bother with this expansion.
* I'm bored of the gameplay.
* I hate watching characters talk to each other like I'm not there, but the game forcing me to "witness" it (seriously that's the quest step, "witness them talk", lol).
* The encounter mechanics are just copied and pasted from other parts of the game I've already played too much of.
* Then they kill off Cayde-6 in the end anyway just to make sure I really don't have any reason to come back... sure... okay, bungo.
homes cayde 6 was already dead he came back for a short part he even states he doesn't want to be here he wants to be apart of the light again he sacrificed his life and found purpose in himself which he wanted
@@braydengeick4015 lol
Finally someone speaks the truth. Shit is mid tier at best but destiny fans have stockholm syndrome.
I’m so glad i waited to watch this review instead of buying the final shape on day one
he makes some good points but he misses thee entire point of destiny if all you do is buy the expansion for the campaign then don't buy destiny its a looter shooter you grind hard activities for loot you make builds with said loot to make endgame activities easier its not a oh I played the campaign now im done game
@@braydengeick4015 I read your usename as Braindeadgeck
@@braydengeick4015 if you spend 80$ on a bloody expansion, the campaign better be worth a damn.
While the art direction and story of the expansion i enjoyed to a degree, the legendary campaign was a slog fest and as soon as i beat the witness solo i stopped playing and went to elden ring, i actually used elden ring and bloodborne as a comfort game to get away from the cheap gimmicky bullshit that is destiny 2 😂
As soon as I saw in the preview that none of the game’s core issues were even acknowledged I was immediately disinterested, 9 years of being strung along, good riddance, god I miss the bliss of the D1 days
d1 was completely unfinished you have rose tinted glasses yes it was not a cash grab but it was 60 dollars for zero lore zero explanation zero story
I loved d1 even as a solo player but it was unfinished
After playing TFS.
"Is Destiny just here to mess with me?"
This game honestly makes me want to meet my Final Destinyation
Calling a vpn a "vipen" and not "vee pee n" is criminal
eep
Good to see I wasn't the only one disappointed by this dlc
I'm genuinely amazed it got reviewed so highly, the raid is great but that's it, the campaign was way more weak than TTK
The symbol matching during the campaign is ripped from vow of disciple raid
Amazing
NO, in VOW, you had to shoot the symbols, now you run into them.
NEW MECHANIC!
Well, I assumed that's because Vow takes place in a pyramid ship, and since the Witness's main fighting forces are in the pale heart, it would make sense for them to be using the vow symbols too. Fyi, you can find those symbols in other places in the game if you know where to look. Lightfall had stuff resembling the vow symbols, and in the Salvation's Edge raid, the boxes that you deposit resonance in have the "give" symbol from vow on them.
The symbols in Vow are meant to be key iconography for the witness and its followers. It is expected that we see those symbols again, especially as we enter the belly of the beast and get closer to the core of what the witness is. You ever noticed that the subjugators all look like Rhulk? Well, Rhulk is literally the FIRST subjugator in existence, and was in many ways the most powerful.
he wouldn't know since he hasn't loaded into a raid released since reprised vog. which came out over three years ago.
Well I liked it
I just hope everyone can finally move on from this crap.
Hey, I used to watch your destiny videos. Unfortunately I'm still into the game. Haven't found another game that scratches the same itch that destiny does.
@@dominicklewis7634 try Warframe maybe, or just dont play life service games and try single player games like doom, prey or the souls games
@@cow2hug483 im gonna be honest with you, warframe for a new player feels almost as beginner unfriendly as destiny 2 is, which is why i stuck with that instead, since i already was acquainted with the base formula that destiny provided me, that and i just prefer fps to tps
Definitely not crap but okay
@@dominicklewis7634or borderlands if u want big shiny gun boxes
You know it's a fine shooter when you aren't sure why a new enemy is a threat and what's intimidating about it.
The whole point is the universe saga has been going for 10 years yes it sucks to learn about as a new light but if you have been apart of the game for even a few months you see the story there's also cutscenes that im sure you skipped
@@braydengeick4015 What else would you like to assume I did or didn't? Way to start a conversation. Do you expect that I'd answer to this with anything but snark? And let's assume here: then you'll get insulted and tell me I'm an asshole or something. Eat my ass.
@@braydengeick4015 What else would you like to assume I did or didn't? Way to start a conversation. Do you expect that I'd answer to this with anything but snark? And let's assume here: you'll get insulted and accuse me of not being civil. After that kind of lowly, barbaric behavior you just displayed.
Oops, was I wrong and you just decided not to continue? Who could've thought that making assumptions about a stranger you just met on the internet is a silly idea?
You were right, though.
Thank you for making me feel like I'm not insane; I played the main part of the expansion storyline, and felt... nothing. Flatlined. Bored, even.
Tried playing with some folks, but... I dunno, the moment I felt the FOMO creep in again, I just balked and bucked. I felt it was inconsequential and just... pointless. Just "more of the same". Yet another bite of flavourless slop given with a nice packaging. But with so much potential.
Everyone else was all "We're cooking again", and I was "This is all reheated leftovers from all the previous activities..?". And even the "new" stuff like the new enemies, I honestly didn't know they were new. Except the gargoyle-looking flying bats things. But replace those with basically the vex flying things and it's... basically the same.
I dunno, I was completely underwhelmed, and everyone else was all "IT'S SO GOOD".
I didn't see it, and I guess I'm not alone in this. So, again, thank you. :X
Because you are not suffering from Stockholm syndrome
Stale game. They came up with mechanics and templates of what to do years ago, then never inovated on those.
Honestly, this makes me think a Destiny 3 might've turned out better (not saying it'd be good).
Judging by the recently announced Bungie's layoffs... Renn was right all along 😮
I'm here for the catharsis. RIP Destiny.
Since D2 launched, I have not been convinced that any expansion has surpassed TTK, and it seems that has yet to change and probably never will.
Honestly Forsaken was the last good DLC. Dreaming city was fun and the story actually was good for destiny.
@@BoopBoop508 I agree
Showing how a Phalanx was introduced in D1 only to die to it later and blame the game is absolute cinema!
i caught that too. lololol. i still think most of renns points are valid though.
@@fooly_grulee absolutely! I agree with pretty much everything specially his Zavala take is 100% the right take imo
The phalanx bopping mechanic is fine, but combining it being tank as hell, forcing you to use anti barrier, & spamming tons of them at choke points..
That's when it comes to be unenjoyable
never played a single minute of destiny but you’re just so funny that I watch all your videos nonetheless
I genuinely loved the expansion. It had issues but it wasn’t bad and I was happy with the way it ended. It was a good sendoff for me after being here for 10 years.
It's not even over. Lol
@@jesseritchie9282it’s definitely over as far as a lot of people including me are concerned.
@@jesseritchie9282it’ll never be over. Not as long as people are willing to whale out.
I thought it was pretty poor, the witness was a terrible villain and the final mission while fun was corny and was a marvel endgame copy "let's get together and beat the witness gang!" While the other npcs that haven't been important in years did fuck all
There are two good bois in this video.
I'm more impressed by your dog than the game.
I don't wanna sound rude, but why are you still playing this game, if you disliked it before? Or is it for your content only to torture youself? 😂
I felt the same way, I thought it was weird none of the Destiny shills pointed how so much of this dlc was just reused content presented differently, the few "new" enemies were more annoying than different, the story had feelings I guess but was kinda dumb and the campaign was mostly rinse and repeat gameplay. I quit D2 after Lightfall for over a year, I hated it more than beyond light, but I came back to see the end, it was what I expected in many ways, it looked cool but I'm so bored with this game.
Finally a competent analysis and response. Well said. For all the praise it was getting, anyone with any measure time in this game realized early on what was happening. Why was a brand new race, something we've wanted forever introduced at the very end of the story? Why did it feel like I was running through VOW and RON for half the story? It's because all of this could have made sense if they didn't cut content to slow bleed its ending. Shameful trash.
That was a real Marathon.
That Ikora neck turn would've startled me
Renn posted a video? Let me get some Dino nuggies in the oven
The final shape was an unnholy amalgamation of recycled content, uninspired narrative and half-baked game-design. As a long-time player and once loyal player of Destiny, I dropped the game after playing five minutes of the intro misssion. This shitty DLC and the current season is the last insult to dedicated players. Bungie's current model of publishing games as a live-service cash-cows is not sustainable for maintaining a steady or engaged player-base. Most "triple A" studios keep reproducing this horrid publishing model, which will ALWAYS be short-lived because of its diminishing returns. Video games used to be culture defining and financially sucessful, now majority of them are just a series of disappointing investment-drains for players and studios. The only few consilations in this gaming hellscape are inspired, captivating and complete games like Black Myth Wukong, Cyberpunk 2077 or Baldur's Gate 3.
I swear, this dlc, beyond light, lightfall, and witch queen all felt the same. Bungie found the formula for casuals and milked it. People saying this is the best state destiny has ever been is have to be tweaking because the game has never felt easier, more hollow, and more casual focused than ever. Get everything handed to you and the actual hard content in the game gives no actual reward besides pretty weapon reskins with adept slapped in the title or an emblem or title
anything more than those are "overdelivery", Look up Bungie's GDC 2022. The homogeneous "content" post activision is no mistake, and they seem hellbent on never overdelivering again and with the baffling acclaim of the witch queen and now The Final shape, the fans are more than willing to lap it up.
You hit the nail on the head. I never understood why everyone was so positive about Witch Queen...all of these expansions are just the same with slightly better story telling than the many story garbage fires Bungie have put out for campaigns.
These expansions have been good only by Destiny standards and it's a sign of how everyone with a brain by now has largely moved on from the game that the Destiny 2 community will praise these expansions and seasons and say that the story was super emotional or whatever. Like have these people ever watched or played anything other than hollywood and triple A studio generic slop?
Agh! I have to stop myself. Nothing gets me going like a Destiny discussion. I'm not over what happened in 2014 and 2017.
@@frugaljoker8277 what gets me is half the stuff in the game now the fanbase wouldnt stand for back in 2018-19, people used to call for harder content all the time, the game gets easier every year and theyre fine with it now. People ccomplained about lack of end game, the end game is almost non existent and they dont complain. people complained about how small beyond light was, wq lightfall and final shape are all around the same size and no one cares. the community has fallen so far its not even funny
I disagree with a lot of this video but I heavily agree with Part 4 of this video, specifically the part with Zavala’s backstory being a seasonal story beat. We knew already that Zavala had a kid and wife but you’d only really know this if you read the lore thats been added over the many many many seasons and years. Having to play content that gets removed after an expansion cycle in order to understand the next expansion’s story is one of the worst aspect of the game for new players. Stories like this need to be permanent in some way so that new players can understand how the world works and evolves. It’s why I personally despise the seasonal model that doesn’t seem like it’s gonna change much with episodes, and that’s coming from someone who’s played every expansion and season except for dawn and worthy.
Every Destiny fan: DESTINY IS BROKEN GARBAGE!!!!!
Also every Destiny fan: I REALLY REALLY CAN'T WAIT TO GIVE BUNGIE MORE MONEY FOR THE EXPANSION!!!!!!
Also also every Destiny fan: THE LATEST EXAPANSION IS BROKEN GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!
No one said this. Putting all caps just does a disservice to any point your making. That and your blatant generalizations
@@Lakrushma it's a fucking meme grandpa
@@Lakrushma there's the Destiny fan boy tears I was looking for. So salty, and full of seeth.
@@Bizcuitt Damn I didnt realize meme standards have fallen even farther. Maybe your the meme in the end?
@@Lakrushma You were being a pretentious crybaby about a meme
I really wish I hadn't abandoned it like 3 years ago. Now I feel like a straggler in the game and it feels almost pointless to try and join a clan and make friends but I wanna see it through to the end since I began Destiny in 2014.
Stop revive survive Bro
My favorite parts about your destiny videos are the puns with the weapon names