I would argue that all entities be exempted from BBBEEEE requirements - it has been a dismal failure and one of the main driving factors in rising costs and inflation as well as ever degrading service delivery.
The CEO has failed and failed dismally and he is being protected because he is white if a black CEO had done exactly the same poor performance he would have been fired by the same government and all the white people will be saying Black's can't run anything this is why we are experiencing stage 6 load shedding. This CEO and his board and Pravin should be fired they have let the country down no excuses they must just go
Never B-BBEE IS NOT THE PROBLEM . corruption is the big problem Glencoe is not B- BBEE but is definitely corrupt black people must be empowered and procurement procedures must be adhered to aggressively .
BEE was never about helping the average black South African. From the start it was all about enriching politically connected ANC cadres. You don't really think that Cyril became an overnight billionaire because of his business acumen, do you?
It’s quite easy to explain simplistically. After apartheid ended there was a purge of highly experienced white personnel from all walks of business and government. These people were replaced by ANC approved cadres who had contributed to the struggle. They also recruited all available non white people who on paper had some form of academic qualification, but little experience. The purged white people either went private or emigrated. There was a decade period from the mid 90s where there was a boom in promotion opportunities as the first wave of ANC appointed personnel rapidly climbed the management ladder, even before they had demonstrated competency and gained experience. Coupled to this was their desire to rapidly have the same financial and property style of life and possessions that the apartheid white population had enjoyed. The pathway to success followed a predictable pattern - 1994 appointment to a position in an institution during the government of national unity; purging of the whites and several quick promotions; 1996-2000 appointment to high level executive positions such as director general; 2005 movement to the private business sector as a multiple director on boards. Enrichment through stipends and shares. Corruption proliferated under the ANC who ensured that their deployed cadres, apart from enriching themselves, also enriched the mother organization. Over the last 25 years they have built an enormous unsustainable spider web of corruption at all levels inside and outside government. BEE and cadre deployment has been the core strategy behind the operations of the ANC. The Zondo commission has but scraped the tip of the iceberg. I wish you good luck in debating this topic. You’ll find it difficult to find any part of the web that can be easily dismantled and repaired. An enormous task requiring a drastic intervention which Cyril Ramaphosa is not only incapable of implementing, but also he’s unsuitable as he himself has been party to creating the web.
Mambamam, what an honest and in my opinion the best comment re BEE, i fully aggree with you whichever way they debate this topic these thieves will never ever not even reconsider the reality as to what the so called BEE PROGRAM has lead this country to, totall corruption, more and more and more job losses,disinvestments of longstand businesses ect ect, what more can these idiots undertand🤷♂️
BEE means middle man supplying services/goods with no first hand knowledge and expertise as he will go to the OEM should there be a crisis which affects guarantees and warranties and delays especially in essential services eg eskom which can cripple an economy. PG didn't give it much thought in the ramifications it will have instead it concentrated in eliminating the white completely but enriching certain blacks who could not create jobs as they were young and required just flashy cars and houses instead of growing the economy. If continued it will cripple the economy completely
The root cause of South Africa's problems is poor governance, realistically until our country has competent governance in place, things will continue to worsen on levels that defy the logic of our wildest imagination
The people in government especially our President has a different agenda. It's like in the beginning of time they bartered our people into slavery for jewellery and then guns. Then they kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of the inhabitants, also our countrymen/women in groups of one in every 10 had been decimated with deseases. This is now our government policy and that is why the country is purposely let to go down. South Africa can prosper without the outside world interfering. Slavery didn't only start when whites come over and capture our people but our King and chief of tribes bartered their people into slavery. This is exactly our Presidents intentions now, it's not to rescue the country but to fill the pockets of chiefs (his cabenet).
It would expose the over inflated costs the ANC and friends use for self enrichment. BEE was created for the sole purpose to benefit this involved and connected. Imagine the fight getting them away from the feeding troughs.
The basic principle, if the best person gets the job. It drives up productivity. It forces people to work harder indirectly. The moment you replace that with color politics. Then the person getting the job is not actually the best person for the job. What would you expect would happen, if you employ people not based on the best person for the jobs.
Unfortunately whether we like or not affirmative action is currently being touted as the social cure-all for most developed western economies let alone little lowly South Africa. It is going nowhere anytime soon regardless of the extreme inaneness of “social justice” over productivity and meritorious competition.
BEE is the main cause of experienced qualified people leaving South Africa. Just look at Eskom, SAA, PRASA, Hospitals, Police, SABC, municipalities.... 😩
Scapegoating the ANC way to wessel out of trouble ...... when caught with pants down the APARTHEID Struggle Stalwart nonsence comes into play ...... pathetic cowards
The reality is that it doesn't matter if you are white ..pink or black..if you are not qualified for the job you are bound to fail... the only way we are going to get out of the mess SA is in ..is to put alot more money into education.. and put qualified people into Government jobs.. municipal..SOE s etc
How much money does one percent of our vat makeup for NsFas to educate citizens, but not being allocated in a proper manner to educate our youth to become learned. We also need lectures that has an interest in teaching our youth not only being there in a classroom or lecture room. Teaching and taking in what is taugh is the answer.
You think the people running Eskom and running this country will suddenly become competent and honest because BEE is done away with? Eskom problems are being used here as a leverage to attack BEE, the two are not the same. Corruption is corruption it does not matter whether its done by Glencore, the Guptas or a small BBE company. Ascribing the problems at Eskom to BEE is BS.
There is no way the ANC will give up BEE ana AA, it is the heart of the party, without that that would collapse, actual either way they will collapse,inevitable .
Yes, because the people currently employed do not have any knowledge of commen sense, experience or qualification to do the job. Get rid of those and get people who know what they doing
No MORE BEE, we need ALL skilled workers, back into their field, regardless of colour, for US to be a thriving, living, breathing Country. Yes working SIDE by SIDE evolving solutions bringing BACK quality of Life to all.
Pravin Gordhan can be quoted about efficiently buying IBM mainframe computers for SARS from IBM (who makes them) as being cost efficient and totally not necessary for advancing the interests of one annointed BEE billionaire as an intermediary. This was many years ago, and now politically, when you buy a turbine from GE or Alstrom you must now buy it from an intermediary, is a direct contradiction of his own public statements. He had political space to say one thing, but now must say another. Also Eskom is already privatised, all the valuable assets are gone, and the end of life ones are left so don't even bother.
I do not trust this particular CEO - at say R700 000 a month, White, CEO of a business that does not belong to him and no noticeable achievements he must be a political stooge hence easy to say electricity is to cheap, probably agree with writing of Soweto's outstanding fees...if not that of the whole Gauteng - what is he actually doing there? Just an ANC decoy.
No its not that, its becouse you all missing ng the point here. The real reason country economic collapse is is the greed of elites they are the ones that control the government with their stupidity and greed they fall to all sick twisted tricks and at the end likewise the blame is to be shifted to a black person....... I sometimes wonder if you were all black if you were going to take all that you have put us through. 😏
Eskom should get the most competent, with highest integrity and honesty employees, suppliers and management and talk about BEE should not be considered until they restore the company and than analyze the results. It will be simple to see than.
Corruption,power,greed comes in all colours shapes and sizes. We have a warm climate why are we not doing solo heating panel's and please dont say we dont have the money🙄
Yes as said at 8:45 then RSA needs to allow all corporates and power generators to feed into the system short term, but we need to urgently install at least 2 nuclear power stations for medium to long term.
Only qualified people must work at Escombe... audit all bank accounts of employees everyone working there by someone outside government ..we must choose the people not government
"We should do, whatever we need to do, to keep the lights on". - A very effective foundation statement. Let us hope it can focus the thinking of politicians in power.
BEE is not the problem there are procurement procedures which are not being followed and there is no human resource to get ESKOM going because all the qualified persons are gone for what ever reason . Privatisation is not the answer either .
I don't think BEE is the main issue in this Eskom saga, its a soft target to pick but removing BEE requirements will not solve the ineptitude, incompetence and corruption within the organisation itself and within government. I think the Eskom issue is being leveraged here to attack BEE by those who don't like it.
I call your bull partly : Eskom has evergreen contracts the Guptas had only around 3% and they charged 150 for a unit while these evergreen contracts predating even 94 they charge 400 per unit … glencore as well most these non BEEE … you are right about itachi though that’s an ANC company .. I feel you mixed in your ideas though .. challenge the white as well as black contracts then we will see how you are
How has BEE created employment for the masses? Nothing, it’s only diluted the potential growth of the economy and allowed the politically connected to pillage. Open up the economy now so we can attempt to rescue something from the mayhem created by BEE.
Should Eskom be exempted from the B-BBEE requirements of preferential procurement policy? Comment below...
I would argue that all entities be exempted from BBBEEEE requirements - it has been a dismal failure and one of the main driving factors in rising costs and inflation as well as ever degrading service delivery.
Yes
Hell yes !!!
The CEO has failed and failed dismally and he is being protected because he is white if a black CEO had done exactly the same poor performance he would have been fired by the same government and all the white people will be saying Black's can't run anything this is why we are experiencing stage 6 load shedding. This CEO and his board and Pravin should be fired they have let the country down no excuses they must just go
Never B-BBEE IS NOT THE PROBLEM . corruption is the big problem Glencoe is not B- BBEE but is definitely corrupt black people must be empowered and procurement procedures must be adhered to aggressively .
BEE was never about helping the average black South African. From the start it was all about enriching politically connected ANC cadres. You don't really think that Cyril became an overnight billionaire because of his business acumen, do you?
It’s quite easy to explain simplistically. After apartheid ended there was a purge of highly experienced white personnel from all walks of business and government. These people were replaced by ANC approved cadres who had contributed to the struggle. They also recruited all available non white people who on paper had some form of academic qualification, but little experience. The purged white people either went private or emigrated. There was a decade period from the mid 90s where there was a boom in promotion opportunities as the first wave of ANC appointed personnel rapidly climbed the management ladder, even before they had demonstrated competency and gained experience. Coupled to this was their desire to rapidly have the same financial and property style of life and possessions that the apartheid white population had enjoyed. The pathway to success followed a predictable pattern - 1994 appointment to a position in an institution during the government of national unity; purging of the whites and several quick promotions; 1996-2000 appointment to high level executive positions such as director general; 2005 movement to the private business sector as a multiple director on boards. Enrichment through stipends and shares. Corruption proliferated under the ANC who ensured that their deployed cadres, apart from enriching themselves, also enriched the mother organization.
Over the last 25 years they have built an enormous unsustainable spider web of corruption at all levels inside and outside government. BEE and cadre deployment has been the core strategy behind the operations of the ANC. The Zondo commission has but scraped the tip of the iceberg.
I wish you good luck in debating this topic. You’ll find it difficult to find any part of the web that can be easily dismantled and repaired. An enormous task requiring a drastic intervention which Cyril Ramaphosa is not only incapable of implementing, but also he’s unsuitable as he himself has been party to creating the web.
Excellent! Could not have stated it better!
Mambamam, what an honest and in my opinion the best comment re BEE, i fully aggree with you whichever way they debate this topic these thieves will never ever not even reconsider the reality as to what the so called BEE PROGRAM has lead this country to, totall corruption, more and more and more job losses,disinvestments of longstand businesses ect ect, what more can these idiots undertand🤷♂️
This is what happens when you have affermativeaction.
BEE means middle man supplying services/goods with no first hand knowledge and expertise as he will go to the OEM should there be a crisis which affects guarantees and warranties and delays especially in essential services eg eskom which can cripple an economy. PG didn't give it much thought in the ramifications it will have instead it concentrated in eliminating the white completely but enriching certain blacks who could not create jobs as they were young and required just flashy cars and houses instead of growing the economy.
If continued it will cripple the economy completely
ramaphosa to be blamed for every bee state owned entity..
What a joke..
BEE and BBBEE are the reason for the high unemployment and poor quality of work
It’s what the people wanted 🤷🏼♀️
seereeyaas?
The root cause of South Africa's problems is poor governance, realistically until our country has competent governance in place, things will continue to worsen on levels that defy the logic of our wildest imagination
The people in government especially our President has a different agenda. It's like in the beginning of time they bartered our people into slavery for jewellery and then guns. Then they kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of the inhabitants, also our countrymen/women in groups of one in every 10 had been decimated with deseases. This is now our government policy and that is why the country is purposely let to go down. South Africa can prosper without the outside world interfering.
Slavery didn't only start when whites come over and capture our people but our King and chief of tribes bartered their people into slavery. This is exactly our Presidents intentions now, it's not to rescue the country but to fill the pockets of chiefs (his cabenet).
BEE should never have been implemented in the first place. Because of BEE South Africa has lost Trillions over the past 28 years.
If even today after 20+ years, this is at discussion stage, it is simply slowing the state of society demoralization and crooked thinking.
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It would expose the over inflated costs the ANC and friends use for self enrichment. BEE was created for the sole purpose to benefit this involved and connected. Imagine the fight getting them away from the feeding troughs.
It's not BEE it is Government Economic Empowerment
@@theophilusmpumelelogubula9235 its BEE, if you like it or NOT!!! FACTS IS FACTS!!! BEE creates and furher the art of thievery, period!!!!
I don't agree with you the only people that benefitted are ANC people and family not ordinary citizens on the street
The basic principle, if the best person gets the job. It drives up productivity. It forces people to work harder indirectly.
The moment you replace that with color politics. Then the person getting the job is not actually the best person for the job.
What would you expect would happen, if you employ people not based on the best person for the jobs.
Exactly!
Anc are responsible for this Eskom problem years ago...
Of course BEE is the primary root cause of Eskom’s demise.
BEE is to blame, that's why most of the capable people have left this country!
Unfortunately whether we like or not affirmative action is currently being touted as the social cure-all for most developed western economies let alone little lowly South Africa. It is going nowhere anytime soon regardless of the extreme inaneness of “social justice” over productivity and meritorious competition.
BEE is the main cause of experienced qualified people leaving South Africa. Just look at Eskom, SAA, PRASA, Hospitals, Police, SABC, municipalities.... 😩
For sure BEEEEEE is to blame for most for the SA country problems. As this was door which the ANC saw for corruption
Sasol is on the same road .in 2001 we where 50 /50 white to black in our workshop ,today 2022 there are only 8 white people left in the same workshop
I am afraid the battle is lost...too much damage has been done by the anc....we have to kick them out and start all over again...
Its just plain simple incompetence
Stop this politically correct crap
Scapegoating the ANC way to wessel out of trouble ...... when caught with pants down the APARTHEID Struggle Stalwart nonsence comes into play ...... pathetic cowards
BEE is the core of the problems at Eskom 👌
Bee is to blame for everything in sa
No you're wrong. Apartheid 😜
The anc is the destroyer of eskom
Destroyer of the whole country!!!!
These racial policies need to end completely ....
True
The reality is that it doesn't matter if you are white ..pink or black..if you are not qualified for the job you are bound to fail... the only way we are going to get out of the mess SA is in ..is to put alot more money into education.. and put qualified people into Government jobs.. municipal..SOE s etc
How much money does one percent of our vat makeup for NsFas to educate citizens, but not being allocated in a proper manner to educate our youth to become learned. We also need lectures that has an interest in teaching our youth not only being there in a classroom or lecture room. Teaching and taking in what is taugh is the answer.
Finally call BEE out for what it is, don't allow them to rename it cadre deployment, or BBBEE or EEEB
You think the people running Eskom and running this country will suddenly become competent and honest because BEE is done away with? Eskom problems are being used here as a leverage to attack BEE, the two are not the same. Corruption is corruption it does not matter whether its done by Glencore, the Guptas or a small BBE company. Ascribing the problems at Eskom to BEE is BS.
@@zimcoder bee is the oil of the corruption machine
@@zimcoder BEE is a racist policy.
incompetent people working there yet they receive more money
Politics is politics. Unfortunately technology doesn't bend the knee before politics.
The ANCs favorite colours are green and gold.
BEE and the ANC cadres have empoverished and destroyed this lovely nation. Zim 2
There is no way the ANC will give up BEE ana AA, it is the heart of the party, without that that would collapse, actual either way they will collapse,inevitable .
Yes, because the people currently employed do not have any knowledge of commen sense, experience or qualification to do the job.
Get rid of those and get people who know what they doing
No MORE BEE, we need ALL skilled workers, back into their field, regardless of colour, for US to be a thriving, living, breathing Country. Yes working SIDE by SIDE evolving solutions bringing BACK quality of Life to all.
Pravin Gordhan can be quoted about efficiently buying IBM mainframe computers for SARS from IBM (who makes them) as being cost efficient and totally not necessary for advancing the interests of one annointed BEE billionaire as an intermediary. This was many years ago, and now politically, when you buy a turbine from GE or Alstrom you must now buy it from an intermediary, is a direct contradiction of his own public statements. He had political space to say one thing, but now must say another.
Also Eskom is already privatised, all the valuable assets are gone, and the end of life ones are left so don't even bother.
I do not trust this particular CEO - at say R700 000 a month, White, CEO of a business that does not belong to him and no noticeable achievements he must be a political stooge hence easy to say electricity is to cheap, probably agree with writing of Soweto's outstanding fees...if not that of the whole Gauteng - what is he actually doing there? Just an ANC decoy.
Zero comments here from black South Africans?….mmmm…..too busy deciding which luxury car to buy with stolen money
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No its not that, its becouse you all missing ng the point here. The real reason country economic collapse is is the greed of elites they are the ones that control the government with their stupidity and greed they fall to all sick twisted tricks and at the end likewise the blame is to be shifted to a black person....... I sometimes wonder if you were all black if you were going to take all that you have put us through. 😏
Eskom should get the most competent, with highest integrity and honesty employees, suppliers and management and talk about BEE should not be considered until they restore the company and than analyze the results. It will be simple to see than.
Yes BEE is to blame for the collapse of the economy in total.
Corruption,power,greed comes in all colours shapes and sizes.
We have a warm climate why are we not doing solo heating panel's and please dont say we dont have the money🙄
I watched a video with Sleepy Joe talking about SA geen energy (Cyril and Patrice cash cow) and how they working to stop coal plants !!!
He must have been very sleepy.
Yes bee is the culprit
Co had to close because of bee,costs,high wages,do not forget covid
BEE IS JUST A STRATEGY OF LOOTING.
That didn't take long to work out.
Yes as said at 8:45 then RSA needs to allow all corporates and power generators to feed into the system short term, but we need to urgently install at least 2 nuclear power stations for medium to long term.
Absolutely
Not bee but ancee
yes
bee is big problem
Too little, too late, the damage has been done. Skilled workers are immigrating in their thousands.
Only qualified people must work at Escombe... audit all bank accounts of employees everyone working there by someone outside government ..we must choose the people not government
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And is growing smaller
"We should do, whatever we need to do, to keep the lights on". - A very effective foundation statement. Let us hope it can focus the thinking of politicians in power.
@Steve Negative.
BEE is not the problem there are procurement procedures which are not being followed and there is no human resource to get ESKOM going because all the qualified persons are gone for what ever reason . Privatisation is not the answer either .
How racist can you be?
The Channel: *Super*
BEE is a racist policy.
I don't think BEE is the main issue in this Eskom saga, its a soft target to pick but removing BEE requirements will not solve the ineptitude, incompetence and corruption within the organisation itself and within government. I think the Eskom issue is being leveraged here to attack BEE by those who don't like it.
I call your bull partly : Eskom has evergreen contracts the Guptas had only around 3% and they charged 150 for a unit while these evergreen contracts predating even 94 they charge 400 per unit … glencore as well most these non BEEE … you are right about itachi though that’s an ANC company .. I feel you mixed in your ideas though .. challenge the white as well as black contracts then we will see how you are
How has BEE created employment for the masses? Nothing, it’s only diluted the potential growth of the economy and allowed the politically connected to pillage. Open up the economy now so we can attempt to rescue something from the mayhem created by BEE.
BEE is a racist policy.