Psychoanalyst puts Brexit Britain on the couch. Part 1: Grimsby
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2019
- It hasn't been dubbed the Brexit breakdown for nothing. The fear, the loathing and the anger over our exit from the EU have cut deep.
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We wanted to find out what Brexit says about us - why our arguments have become so angry, so uncompromising - and why so many feel such despair.
So, in a special new series, we asked the psychoanalyst Susanna Abse to put Britain on the couch. Susanna has travelled the country with our very own Channel 4 News couch, meeting people and politicians from both sides of the divide.
Tonight, we head to Grimsby which was once the fishing capital of the world, and where two thirds of people voted to leave.
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There is no more fish in the sea. Got nothing to do with the EU. The UK and other countries gave giant fishing corporations the rights to fish way too much.
Exactly. All leaving the EU does it cut off the biggest market for fish.
Most trades have restrictions on what you can and can't do. Fishermen shouldn't expect anything different. Added to that you simply can't fish like people used to, there isn't the stocks to fish like that.
The problem is fishermen don't see the damage they do till it's too late, ie low fish stokes. i would have loved to be a fisherman when young.After the 2 world war that lasted many years the fisherman hit huge resources of fish,due to the fact that they couldn't fish during the the war.
@@patricaomas8750 they did fish during the wars,
@@chubeye1187 Actually got this info from a documentary Isaw didn't mean they didn't fish just less ec.europa.eu/jrc/en/news/fish-population-north-sea-fishing-pause-during-wwii-provides-unique-insight-8338
'Free for all.'
Yeah, great.
The "free for all " got to no fish there had to be control on catches ?
Ding, ding. We have a winner.
Didn't the Grimsby trawlers fish in Icelandic or Norwegian waters?
Jake Stewart yes
Jake Stewart Yes, look up the cod wars.
FuckILoveYouTubby I assume you’re joking. Cod wars are about the fishing. That’s what they were called, 3 of them.
"I don't talk fish with just anybody" I love it.
The first guy voted for brexit so that he can over fish and deplete the fish stocks.
Selling them rather than throwing them back in the sea
Jon Ashley Try reading. unearthed.greenpeace.org to find out what goes on in the UK fishing Industry.
Nigel Farage sailed with his Brexit flotilla up the Thames in a vessel owned by a Scottish Fishing owner convicted of trading in black fish. But he knew that didn't he , as a member of the fishing policy committee which he attended once in 41 meetings......
Yeah, he's a shellfish man
Hahahahaha Jon Ashley spot on 🤣
‘So there’s a real sense of tradition being passed down then?’.....read: real sense of entitlement’....?
Fisherman, nothing but take take take. Never give anything back. Restrictions are there to help the industry's future, but the fisherman resent them, because they want to take take
Shallow, not confronting emotions with facts, what every analyst should do...
Not even an inventory of perception...
hear hear, to all of us with long dead relatives who still miss them! it doesn't go away! Oh it stops being stabbing painful, take heart, but you always miss them, just not all the time, just when you think about it sometimes:)
This psych puts words, feelings and ideas in the minds and mouths of her interlocutors. That is extremely bad practice. We should see this as a biased interview, not a couch interview from a psychoanalyst.
Going back to "Europe of the nations" England becomes inevitably nationalist.
Yes, great idea, no rules at all. Just let the fishermen fish and do whatever they like until there is no fish left at all. Brilliant.
There was no real meat to this video. The Remainer didn't explain his reasons, and neither did the Leaver. It was just a few vague concepts about things going back to the way they were...which has nothing to do with Brexit at all...
Because at the time of voting, neither could say exactly what the EU was about
@@chubeye1187
However, the UK had a say in any and all changes the EU underwent in the last 40 years. All major decisions were taken unanimously!
This was very shallow. I hope it won't be part 2
Joanna Cyngot Try unearthed.greenpeace.org You might be surprised ......and shocked.
I think so facebook.com/Omar-borkan-104499580905577/
There is ...
I wonder if he feels the same way today ?
It is really time for England & Wales to go it alone. If anything, Brexit has exposed how dis-united the UK is. It is irreconcilable politically, economically and socially.
That could had been so much deeper conversations, but weren't. What a shame.
Alright, here’s my modest proposal. The United States, Canada and Australia will adopt the UK and take care of it. That’s what good children do. They take care of their parents when they get old and start acting squirrelly.
So they entrust Britain to a nursery home?
cel777 no no no. Of course not. She’s our mother. Maybe she stays with Australia for a year or so, then America. She could spend time with her grandson Puerto Rico. They’re islands, they can bond over...island stuff. Canada can be in charge of medical decisions
Benjamin Crookston I support her decision to break out of the home (EU) and go it alone! From my Australian perspective, we do well as an independent nation and so will she when she’s out.
@@scott72able It's far too complex for the brexit issue to compare the two Countries.
Check our A different bias to see some the problems brexit creates and how difficult they are to resolve. Not withstanding the dubious nature of how brexit is being the power to control all.
agree
What's the relevance of 'Aunt Hagar's Blues' as the background music? The closest I can get to a theory is that the words include ' "Oh, tain't no use to preachin'
; Oh, tain't no use to teachin',".
So fishermen are independent and don't want their industry to change. Boo hoo! Try making that argument in 12 months time with No Deal, food and supply shortages, civil unrest, spiralling prices and a re-ignition of the Northern Irish Troubles. But as long as you can land any fish you like, right?
The fish fleet went in the 1970"
Whatever we do an awful lot of people are going to be disappointed. Three years of wasted effort and another decade to clear up the mess.
No more free for all to stop the extinction of fish because other countries have access to UK fisheries. Sounds entirely reasonable to me. But what is the real problem ? Protecting fish or other countries having access?
i think that fisherman's right, they're waiting for us to get bored of it
Who is they?
@@James_Haskell the creeps who are resisting out decision.
The elite who think they know better than the electorate.
@Anglo McWhitey yep and the rich will get richer and the rest of us will take it up the "A" yet again. Brexit is a right wing elitist bonanza, holding on to their tax havens that the EU is putting an end to in the EU and forcing wages down due to their favourite economic policy "Austerity for the masses." I give them one thing, they conned so many to think it was good for the general population with absolute ease.
Anglo McWhitey that’s not a good thing. It’s shows British companies being bought out by others countries companies. Interesting that EU companies have significant positions in many of our jobs
Boris Farage they won’t go far from their cup of tea, the young brexiters can afford the train ticket
Besides fish and chips, and fish fingers, isn't the decline in UK fishing also down to the fact that British people generally don't eat much seafood. When I go to the fishmongers you often find more Asians and Europeans in the queue, and the fish counters in supermarkets are often sparse and quiet. Most of the good stuff (like lobsters and spider crabs) get exported to other European countries where they are appreciated. So how would 'taking back control' of the waters and putting on extra taxes and delays on exports help these fishermen? it will not. I think the industry needs to somehow reinvent itself and to get more people eating fish/seafood.
Because British caught fish etc used to be half the price, but because there is nothing left in the med our neighbors have effectively raised the prices.
When I was a boy we had fish and chips evening meal twice a week, a fish breakfast once a week, (whatever we fancied) then prices meant it was cheaper to eat meat so it was Saturday evening late supper from the chippy and that was that.
Joe shmoe - Leaving the EU doesn’t then make your fish cheaper, stupid! Britain sells 73% of British territorial water fish. They’re not going to suddenly stop selling it and even if they did change the end destination they’re not going to sell it for less than they can sell it elsewhere.
@@matthewyabsley we sell 73% of what we catch. when we catch a lot more , and europe impose tarriffs cos we are out of europe, the price at home will be lower. even if we still sell it all at least we will get the benefit, not some spanish trawler owner with illegal nets.
This didn't really tell us anything! The UK has never had its own fishing grounds. Sucessive UK governments have fought 'tooth and nail' to maintain open access for all to the high seas, including three 'cod wars' with Iceland in attempts to prevent the extension of fishing limits. The UK has has also lost several international court cases - long before the EU was even dreamt of by the way - against countries imposing fishing limits. When the UK government had to bow to the inevitable and accept that there was international agreement that fishing limits were both wanted and necessary they drew up the London Fisheries Convention that allowed co-signatories to fish within the UK 12 mile limit in return for UK access to waters within their 12 mile limit. It was a free for all beyond 12 miles. Subsequent to the UK entering what is now the EU, international fishing limits were extended to 200 miles. The EU then allocated fish quotas based on what national fleets had caught in those waters. The UK deep sea fishing fleet fished mainly off Iceland in waters which were now closed to them. Compensatory grounds were not opened up to them in what had now become EU waters because they had not previously fished there. Additionally it was a UK government that allowed fish quotas to be sold independently of the boat used to catch the quota. This resulted in big business taking over leaving independent fishermen with the insignificant, less profitable end of the market. The inshore fishermen think that by leaving the EU they will be able to fish for what they like in any quantity, export the fish they catch and make more money. This will not happen. If their quotas are increased they will find that big business will demand that theirs are increased as well, resulting in overfishing and the EU, the main export market for UK caught fish, will not accept fish caught from an unsustainable source, in other words, they will buy no more than they currently do.
@Russian Troll so Im told The 200 mile fishing limit was included in the UK's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) by the UN Conference on the Law of the Sea in 1977, 4 years after the UK joined what is now the EU. Prior to that the the UK only had a 12 mile fishing limit which as I've already said was given away in the 1964 London Fisheries Convention allowing co-signatories to the convention to fish within it in return to similar access to their waters. Up until 1977 the English Channel and North & Irish Seas were fished by Russian and Polish factory ships and was completely unregulated beyond the 12 mile limit. UK fishermen have never had exclusive access to these waters so the call to take back control is false. Should we gain exclusive access to waters within the 200 mile fishing limit it will be the first time in history that UK fishermen will have had this and precisely because successive UK governments have objected to it.
Rather than admit he might have got it wrong and back down he''ll just not vote . To be fair none of us like backing down or that you might have made a mistake . But PM de Pfeffel would never even do that , Tory arrogance , will stop Bozo doing that .
You've never been to Grimsby I'm sure. Content to undermine democracy and Brexit in the assumption that it was based on lies. I never hear what those lies are. What were they? What was the lie in choosing to leave EU?
@@pinchermartyn3959 Hello , you are right i have never been to Grimsby . I am not trying to undermine Democracy , i didn't use the word lie , although there was plenty of that . I simply observed the leave voter one of Grimsbys last remaining working fishermen never mentioned any lies but knew what a fu*k up Brexit was and is going to be . So here are some of the lies that the hucksters spread . " should be the easiest deal in human history " - Liam Fox . Cameron promised to stay on if leave won , he quit asap . Gove - " we hold all the cards " what are they then ? The best one " There will continue to be free trade and access to the single market "- Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Jonson MP Prime Minister .
@@pinchermartyn3959 - The most insidious lie was that we were at the mercy the European Union rather than being a leading member of it. That ordinary citizens had more to fear from Brussels than they do from the financial speculators that the Tories love so much.
It was corruption within our own financial sectors that brought us to our knees - not being asked to participate in systems that we, in part, created.
These islands? Not for long. Buh bye UK.
Thought this was Gazza for a minute
He didn't have his fishing rod and a bag of chips
Love it, brexit is the best show in earth! Pity it’s real though but am really enjoying the drama. Excellent stuff! Better than game of thrones.
I enjoy it too 😊
Not so much fun when it will wreck your country's economy, get threats of shortage of power or blockades of food supplies or possible war. This is the perspective of most people in Ireland and we didn't get to have any say in the matter. So much for will of the people
This is the worst thing I have seen, she is leading and answering her own questions. FFS.
Just more patronising pro EU propaganda from C4, the station that looks down it's nose at normal people whilst wondering why it's ratings are so tiny.
John Best it’s Channel 4 - Remain Central. I mean, consider the concept. Britain votes to Leave so she must be insane and in need of a shrink.
His shirt haha my days
Fascinating stories...thank you for bringing them to light...ive always been an avid fan and will continue to watch your videos for the many years to come🙂🦸♂️
I do not get the idea that in the case of another referendum 'I would not vote'. I think the best course of action is to vote and get an even bigger majority.
that's exactly what this country needs, fucking psychoanalysis.
The leave voter who was probably representative of those in Grimsby and other fishermen elsewhere seemed to be just looking for a return to the good old days of no rules or regulations and that Brexit might bring those days back. Well he was lied to. Things have only got worse for many and in truth the world has changed since the perceived glory days. I mean much of the British catch is sold into the European market. Did these guys not realise that and think about what they would do with the fish after they caught them. Crazy stuff.
The most significant therapy is changing your mind.
Thank god their are some people looking after that fisherman’s interests. Even if he doesn’t know it.
Andrew Taylor Is there though?
She’s absolutely on the nail when she talks of Nelson being disconnected from his community. It’s so sad that there seems to be no empathy for honest hard working people who are just trying to make a living.
Im a good friend of Nelson's, he is the real deal and a gentleman to boot. You can't buy class.
Mmmmm, yeahhhh, its a hard life being a brexit mug.
Always done in brexit voting areas never Cambridge or Liverpool.
Or the entire nation of Scotland...
@@colmcgillveray1010 Well said
Yet she had a 50/50 debate. One in and one out.
Shhh don't mention Liverpool, or people might realise that the money originally send from the EU that was meant to help Liverpool out and back on its feet now compares to nothing to what the UK can suddenly muster for No-deal Brexit, eventough when the city was on collapse the UK goverment said they had no fundings whatsoever for the city and that it just needed to naturally decline!
Liverpool thus lives by the EU funding from the 1970's-1980's! … Shhh don't say that >.>
What did I just waste my time watching.
Well.
Channel 4 are remoanerbots.
@@p.g.u.d not even that, why did they need a psychologist to be on it. Added nothing.
EU is a peace project
@Albert Pike You are fake news.
@Albert Pike Aye, fucking sure, you gullible fool.
Yes peace of the grave
@Albert Pike over 80% of ww2 veterans voted to join the Europe in 1973.
Albert Pike, if we do hard brexit, it should be full on US style, stop triple lock pensions, cut social security no more NHS its what the people want.
Grimsby Brothers !!! :)))
Brexit for fisheries.
EU waiting for new GE in Britain !
@Albert Pike EU is polar opposite of Hitler's European vision.
she is putting words into his mouth
And he's not putting fish in hers ... cos they fished them all already.
It's the remainers who are having the nervous breakdown.
No surprise there, is it? The remainers they know what this brexit means compared to the lemmings who voted to leave for whom "brexit means brexit" and nothing else. That's why, more then 3 years later, they still don't have a plan or a clue.
@@praisekek8263 Brexiteers know perfectly well what they voted for. They voted for national independence, and they are determined to have it. Given that the overwhelming majority of MPs have made it the Law of the Land, only an undemocratic coup can stop it.
@@robertaspindale2531 Hehehe! It will be interesting to watch how all this "independence" thing will play out for them, in today's "global village".
@@praisekek8263 This "global village" thing is a globalist fiction, which Brexit is going to explode. Thank God!
@@robertaspindale2531 and UK will be left standing after that explosion? good luck
It was a free for all and now there are no fish in the Grimsby region to talk of.
So where did all the fish go?
A lot went into my stomach. But history shows that sailing ships going across the Grand Banks could scoop out shoals of cod with baskets, humans happened
@@andrew300169
I accept your general point, but there were plenty of fish being landed at Grimsby and Hull (where you could smell the fish docks a mile away) just a few decades ago. I think 'humans happened' long before e.g. the last 50 years or so?
marconatrix Surely your not suggesting it’s the EU?😂
Nearly 90% of the world’s marine fish stocks are now fully exploited, overexploited or depleted.
@@andrew300169
Not at all, but surely the EU and other international bodies could have conserved stocks rather better. I mean honestly, a near complete wipe-out well within a single human lifetime, it beggars belief! How did it happen??
Now is clear why this Brexit thing is soo fishy :)))
she was a bit biased, 'independence' vs. 'don't like rules' but it's the same thing
You need rules in a party.
what a condescending woman and a lovely guy.
I am sorry that Grimsby people, who I like, think that Leaving the EU will make England great again. When the UK joined the EU, it was on the edge of economic turmoil. The EU and our trade in the EU SAVED the UK economy. Talking fishy on a dishy,...the EU gave the UK the biggest quotas of any EU country. We were totally respected in the EU. Now, we are ….. what??? It is all the fault of the high and mighty toffs and those who believed them were tricked. But, the toffs know very little. Rees-Mogg has accountants to do his money for him. He never touches it !! Nice guy, speaks Latin, very very rich, but no idea about the modern world. Now, Grimsby folk and all my other friends up North, you've been had !!! Help get this thing reversed, please.
Big industry wants your livelihood. Don’t give it to them
Channel 4 will stop at nothing to interfere with brexit. Such biased, partisan reporting is really disturbing. I urge their license fee funding should be withdrawn.
What was biased about the report? They interviewed leavers and remainers.
Just because brexit is now looking increasingly stupid don’t blame the messenger
Brexit is just as correct as when voted for, if anything the logic grows more plain with every passing day. It's just the incessant media propaganda that might persuade otherwise. Channel 4s coverage has plumbed greater depths over the past few weeks as the media reaches ever hyperbolic levels of coverage. I am waiting for them to claim once more that Brexit will lead to war , as Cameron did in 2016 . Perhaps the media has learned that lesson..
If it's a curse there's plenty of other countries to go live in
intempify it's not the nation that's the problem, it's the idiots that think open borders are a good idea and all cultures are the same.
intempify who ever called anyone's subhuman, it's not about that rubbish, it's about the history of the people in a nation about the rights and freedoms that were hard won the blood of thousands that built the nation, how many nations had to fight for survival, some won some lost, just look at European nations were swallowed up by those survivors, the American First Nation people that were being destroyed by the larger tribes as well as African, Asian people's etc etc.a lot of the people of the planet are not ready for globalisation, we need at least a century of education for all peoples, a century to change everything before we start to globalise, the so called elite who are pushing it now are only thinking of profit.
intempify it's only unavoidable while the masses are sedated, but keep pissing them off and all your talking about is stopped hard
More Channel 4 propaganda
People stating the fishing industry is finished. No, what will be finished is foreign owned boats captained by British captains.The majority of what is Europe’s most lucrative sea and the loop hole will be closed. There’s billions of pounds ready to invest in what will potentially be one of Britain’s biggest assets... There’s a reason the EU fought long and hard to get access to our waters.. currently 60% of fish caught in our waters is landed abroad... But again that doesn’t tell the whole story, the loop whole allows our fish to be landed in the U.K. but the boat and its catch are also foreign owned.. Only the captain has to be British..
The potential for us to grow our fishing fleets is immense, as we are currently importing fish caught in our own waters back from the EU owned vessels landed here and abroad...
It’s no accident what was a fishing industry in almost every coastal town along our shores has been decimated.. It was the the main price to pay for EU membership back in 73...
It’s no accident the EU countries are bleating about us leaving and how their fishing industries are at risk if they can’t rape and pillage our waters...
What do brexiters think theyre going to gain from leaving eu
FunnyTummyART the ability to make our own laws instead of having them imposed on us by other countries. The ability to vote out the rule makers if we don’t like the rules. In a word; freedom.
@@deathguarddavegoogley2022 what laws are you not happy with? What laws do you think have been imposed on you? Be specific
@@deathguarddavegoogley2022 Many EU laws were proposed by British MEPs. The UK could always vote NO to other laws, mostly they didn't. The transition to "British" laws is merely copy-pasting EU laws and replacing a few words here and there. Freedom ? By leaving the UK will cancel 4 freedoms.
FunnyTummyART I’ll give you one small example. I took my little dog to the vets last week. I had to sign a special form giving the vet permission to use a drug that is licenced for humans but not for animals. The vet explained the active ingredient in the drug is exactly the same but he couldn’t afford the drug (and many other drugs) without putting up his prices significantly to his customers. I asked him why this was the case. He rolled his eyes and said it was EU drug licensing law that the U.K. and the U.K. veterinary college had not wanted. The EU makes hundreds of thousands of laws like this that silently and invisibly impact on the public in the U.K. Normal people aren’t aware of them. And by the way, the vet told me he and all of his colleagues had voted to leave.
@@deathguarddavegoogley2022 yes because EU rightlyfully so EU has stricter drug laws. But hey lets watch the entire country crumble along with the economy so its better for your dog
Tvs gone mad were leaving or not will see been a big political stitch up so far
I am not watching the video because I don't need to be psychoanalysed because I voted for Brexit.
Common sense told me that being ruled by an expensive and undemocratic bunch of bureaucrats
was not the way forward.
I do not want a Federal Europe.
I do not want my laws that I have to obey, made by members of the EU.
I do not want my taxes to pay for unelected nobodies who I can't actually ever
vote out unless they choose to resign.
Major decisions are not made by the MEPs but by the select few behind closed doors.
It is beyond my comprehension why any one wants to Remain except, of course,
that they have a hatred for all things British.
You have a serious lack of understanding on how the EU works lol perhaps it’s better you leave and preferably without a deal... That way you can’t blame the EU for your own short comings anymore...
Why is this in my recommended and it was posted literally a minute ago
the analytics. Go speak to cummings, he'll tell you why (and will probably know more about you than you do!)
British trade with the EU will not stop after Brexit. The idea is laughable. The EU trades with outside economies all the time. China and the US case in point. The UK will carry on trading with the EU, but it’ll be able to strike better trade deals with other countries as well. As the US is keen to do.
Another CH4 propoganda piece by any chance?
We're out, accept it! This is the end, the Royal family are about to be erased from existence. Channel 4 you are laughable, not only is the EU coming down the QUEEN IS GOING WITH IT. This is going to be the quickest and funniest fucking thing you could imagine.
How can you still be coming out with statements like if we do not leave we are leaving suck it up
Good grief, im sick of these constant one sided, so called pessimist analysis over Brexit.
Some of us that voted for freedom and democracy, that voted to become a self governing country, are actually very optimistic and excited that we will finally be out of the clutches of the giant EU ponzi scheme. Channel 4 are a disgrace and there reputation is only getting much worse by the day in regard to Brexit!
You sound like a compulsive whiner and complainer to me. Not especially optimistic.
@@mattd8725 And you sound like someone who has been irreparably brainwashed by the leftist/globalist media.
LOL... do you know what a ponzi scheme is? Do you know how many UK laws were determined by the EU and what they are? You are getting bombarded with negative Brexit news because it is going to be negative for the economy and the so called positives are actually meaningless nonsense.
@@youtubecensorsyouropinions6638 Yet I'm using language that isn't full of empty slogans and phrases copied from propagandists and you are. Odd, isn't it, that fully programmed globalist-commie robot can sound more human than a fully authentic person such as yourself.
Paul- You appear to be of the calibre of TH-cam 0-content commentator who may wish to join our NEW Conservative & Unionist Party TURBOCHARGED campaign, - "WHISTLE FOR BREXIT". Need a break from typing those endless same-old Brexit comments, channel after channel, multi-account after multi-account? Then JOIN our WHISTLE FOR BREXIT campaign by taking a break every hour, on the hour, standing up straight in front of your glorious BRITISH bedroom mirror and together proudly WHISTLE FOR BREXIT with some old favourites such as "Rule, Britannia", "God Save the Queen" and "Keep the Home Fires Burning".
Let's WHISTLE FOR BREXIT!!!
Channel four is bad just watched beyond 100 days they are horrendous
I know. so much fake news... all it is, fake fake fake fake. Pound has never been more valuable - EVER - but you don't hear that on Channel4. England now ranked #1 in the world, again, never hear that on channel 4.
@@Jennyeq Literally there is only one point in time were it was less valuable in the last ten years;
_www.teletrader.com/gbp-usd-spot/currencies/details/tts-949850_
Ranked in what is "England" #1? FFS.
@@Jennyeq For a moment I thought you were being serious, I really did, then I realised nobody could be that stupid.
@@gio-oz8gf next time you're ill - you don't have to thank me for the £350m a week my vote gave the NHS... but just remember, without Brexit, you would be dead.
This is really poor output.
Her time would have being better spent talking about the grieving process and dealing with loss because it’s remoaners who can’t move on. 🎃🥳
generic username exactly.
Welcome to Channel 4 remain propaganda, with all of it's subtle suggestions. I expect that when the UK leaves the EU, that Channel 4 will move to Europe in protest?
Kelvin Wilson no they’re coming to Leeds🥳