Why Is There a Le Sserafim Hate Train?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.พ. 2024
- Hey!!
This was a quick video and I’m very very tempted to make a longer video about the Yunjin issue specifically because i see a building narrative that I don’t personally believe is fair.
This also might be partially biased because though i’m not really a stan, I listen to Le Sserafim a lot. Keep that in mind.
Thank you for watching!!!
Ciao for now,
topiary 🎧
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Everyone is denying that Le sserafim has a hate train lol
As if the girls are not getting dragged everyday by other fandoms for nothing and also that church is not even an actual church but a movie set where a lot of Music videos and movies shot there where was the backlash then??
Ikr it's like last year how everyone turned on wonyoung for eating a strawberry. The reason of hate these days is wayy too dumb
I'm starting to realize something: I stan so many groups that have hate trains (NMIXX, LE SEERAFIM, NEWJEANS, ITZY, AESPA) like girl😭😭😭
A Le Sserafim hate train wasn't on mind, but when you think about it, Hybe was cooking a storm since their debut
And Hybe haters are planning to attack the girls. I was wonder which group they going to attack next.
I think the hate would've been less intense had Garam stayed to balance out the group's vocals, they're kinda known as a group that can't sing and honestly it does ruin the song for me when some members start their parts sometimes, that makes it easier for ppl to hate on them, I knew that line about changing the industry would bite Yunjin in the behind the second I heard it during their intro trailer, and the way she said it and the songs she writes😭😭 I like them still and I'll wait for their 2nd album to decide if they peaked at debut or not. (So for me the problem they have is the untalented vocal wise members outnumber the talented ones, some ppl might not like how Yunjin presents herself I guess and the rigging controversy for Chaewon that seems to persist on the Korean side, a Korean commenter brought it up on a video of their performance on a music show under a fan's comment with other comments complaining about their lack of singing skills, but she's also the most talented one in the group and has my favorite voice, there was a new interview with a could've been member of izone that was rigged out and I saw someone say she was robbed of so much and as an example could've fit with Lesserafim and a problem I have in that vein is the fact that Kazuha debuted in a short while while not being vocally gifted while other girls were cut out, same with Eunchae honestly, no way there weren't girls as pretty and good at dancing AND singing, that makes me conflicted about them, and the fact they keep including something about ballet every comeback like staahhhppp, I still don't understand that line in Easy, had Garam stayed it wouldn't have been as noticeable I feel like, though I had a problem with that since Fearless, they're like if Red Velvet debuted without Joy to balance out Yeri and Irene (who I love just saying...) and Twice without Jeongyeon, her, Jihyo and Nayeon do so much heavy lifting in that group even if Jeongyeon isn't utilised enough, the difference one vocalist makes is huge to balance out a group, Ive has that problem too with only 2 competent singers and 1 really good one but all their tones are good, no one has an truly grating voice and the rappers don't ruin the song, I'm sure their were more talented trainees but overall they complement each other well)
i’ve noticed that too!! i often wonder what it would’ve been as OT6, not just vocally, but since Garam would’ve helped balance the ages of the group out since she was in between Eunchae and the Unnies. I’m wondering if they still would’ve done mature choreographies if there were two young members, too, or if Hybe would’ve tamed that down.
@@topiaryythaving Garam would've saved their discography and image so much I'll never stop being bitter about it😭😭😭 (though source played themselves too by leaning too much into visuals and disregarding vocals with 3 singers/3 non singers without thinking of bad scenarios, Hybe of today can never debut another BTS with the visual obsession all their subsidiaries have and disregard of talent and non of them ever give good vocal training since day 1) The RV balance is what gave birth to the myth that they're an all vocal group. And honestly I think the choreography would've been the same especially since Eunchae will be an adult this year I think, it is what it is Source does not care....
@a.a.6789 are you stupid ? 😂😂😂
For me I just didn´t like the direction le sserafim went after Unforgiven music wise. But I wouldnt hate on them for that. It is just the switch in particular isn´t my style.
I just don't like the heavy vocal processing on the track. Instead of working with what the girls have, they really applied autotuning. Also, I notice the group's wardrobes in the past year. I don't really vibe with these tiny shorts.
honestly, HYBE in general has very weird vocal processing. Sometimes I can’t even tell the members of BTS apart, and they all have VERY distinct live vocals 😭
Le Sserafim wear the same type of shorts as any other groups. Itzy, Aespa, IVE, (G)i-dle, Mamamoo, Blackpink and New Jeans also wear those kinds of shorts.
I really think it's some kind of build-up frustration of the fans. I've been a fearnot myself from debut up to unforgiven, but the music quality was disappointing so I unstanned even before this comeback. The same thing with eunchae, people have been complaining every cb. So now, all these past things, new things like dancing in the church and just people's desire to hate ended up being mixed. Even though I don't stan them anymore, I feel kinda sorry, I have good feelings about them, but on the other side I'm glad that people complain about music quality and eunchae's safety
I lost interest in LeSserafim when Hybe unjustly dumped Garam my favorite member for defending her friend from nearly nude photos being posted online by the rich jealous bully Eunseu way back when Garam was 12. A paid for character assassination loaded with lies. Not allowing Garam to release the official documents and using her for hype was extremely cruel they couldn't have handled it any worse. It is totally contradicts their image since they dumped the most fearless defender of friends.
Hybe defend garam. But everyone wanted her gone. So she left.
Hybe followed the law. Garam parents should have been the ones to speak out
Long text ahead, SO get Yourself some popcorns:
So Topiary, i have to respectfully disagree with you, i don't think LS is getting a hate train as a we know it of, but more so a cumulation of problems that people had with management and creative direction of the group. Whether be in it's musical direction, styling, choreos and questionable decisions regarding minors on the group. No one it's denying that are people that hate or dislike LS, that's bound to happened, but calling it a hate train is a bit of reach, especially compared to other groups in Kpop even in the 4th gen like I-DLE, Aespa, Kep1er, Ive, Stayc and others.
I think the main reason why people are not letting LS slip of the controversies of the comeback are simple: the music. As sad as it sounds, if you have the people good music/listenable music, they'll forgive You and move on, and people are pretty divided on this comeback. Some Say it's a breezy and carefree song while others said that it comes from One of the most mid eras in Western Pop music. Add to that the controversy with the plagarism accusations and the situation with Eunchae; the choreo and lyrics of the songs, and you get a recipe for a PR nightmare.
Now as of the 'Get the K out of Kpop' is a conversation i'm not ready to have but i'm willing to say this: Hybe always wanted Western validation, and they're willing to get it at any cause. And they take advantage of that bcuz most people consider them a "Unproblematic" company.
So that will be it, thank u for coming to my TED Talk
See whatever itzy released after sneakers was and is still considered trash. It can be a horrible song like cake or soty like Cheshire. None of my buisness and Mr. Vampire were also so good, yet people are not satisfied with anything they are putting out. People are behaving the same with lessérafirm, easy was great, yet everything is bad for them..after unforgiven.Hate train of BTS, blackpink, Ive was more like them hating on members which no doubt effects them but this is hate train against music, this unlike the Ive or BTS hate train will effect their careers. Like itzy suffered. I wish this does not happen to lsrfm
I’m unsure about whether it’s a “hate train” myself, but used that phrasing because other people have been very heavily doomposting about them getting a “hate train”.
i do think all of these criticisms are valid. but if you watch my video, i specified that these same issues have been prevalent for a while, and there are thousands of people using this specific comeback as a sounding board to voice their issues with the girls in general. i’m not very active on kpop twitter and even I noticed an uptick in people making fun of Kazuha’s ballet steps, or saying Yunjin gives them ‘bully vibes’, and these posts are simply getting more attention and likes now because it’s deemed acceptable to hate on le sserafim since this accumulation of issues with their management has been brought up more severely with this comeback.
now, whether that can be considered a hate train, i’m not sure yet. no matter what, it’s definitely not comparable to Itzy after Sneakers, or even Stayc after BM. But I also said that in the video, making a note to compare what’s happening with LS more to Itzy’s MITM backlash-something stemming from valid concerns, which antis then take as a ‘Dexter’ moment now that they have free reign to criticize the group and its members.
@@topiaryyt ikr, they make fun of kazuha for doing ballet like steps in swan song. Call yunjin for literally everything she does. And about eunchae??? I swear 🙂
I loved Easy! I don't know why people think this song is lazy. The melody is quite easy to sing and fits the members' vocal ranges although for some reason they still used a lot of autotune for Kazuha and Sakura
Honestly, I found Le Ssera's previous TTs to be uninspired. Repeating "unforgiven, I'm a villain, unforgiven unforgiven unforgiven", "antititititi fragile fragile antitititi fragile antitititi fragile fragile" and "what you lookin at what you what you lookin at, what you lookin at what you what you lookin at, what you lookin at what you what you lookin at" feels, well, uninspired and an *easy* way to write lyrics and put a song together (pun fully intended)
Second thing is I felt like out of all the groups rn, Le Ssera has the most developed concept. Even this song feels like Le Ssera with their confident, cool aesthetic. I'm not very well versed in fashion and aesthetics but Le Ssera's one was ubiquitous within their discography apart from I guess Perfect Night. Their musical identity is neat and I was surprised how they made an *easy* listen song like Easy still fit that badass confident vibe they carry throughout
I think people are nitpicking on this song and starting their hate trains because, well, Le Ssera is quite big now. Some people have said that a lot of people see Le Ssera as a threat to their bias' popularity and I wonder how true this is
I did notice that too, it’s curious that all of these issues have always existed (like Eunchae doing the sexual choreo in their debut MV) yet people are only widely critiquing it now, after Perfect Night, which was their most popular song, and Coachella…
@topiaryyt Exactly! I think you were really onto something with your observation on hate after Coachella. It's just mainstream groups get hate (which usually consists of BTS and ggs).
Other bgs usually don't receive this kind of reception EVEN if they do well because people from gp don't check out their music as much; it's usually more confined to their fanbase. Bgs also have a more united and defensive fanbase whereas rn I am seeing barely anyone standing up for Le Ssera - there is just a huge difference between gg and bg fandoms. To me, this means that ggs invite so many people outside the fandom to check out their music, and as we know, Kpop fans outside that fanbase tend to have strong rivalry so it's no surprise when they begin a trending hate train for a release by a certain gg
I would be really excited to see you make a video on bg vs gg fandoms. I feel like, yes misogyny may permeate these spaces but there is a lot more going on because the very foundations of how these fandoms are constructed is slightly different. The average stan for a gg probably listens to many ggs and 1 or 2 bgs that they will defend with their life lol (my observations from Reddit)
people these days hatin for no reason
@Macauroni Haha seems like they can't handle productive discourse which is why I had a lot of fun interacting with them
They like critical commentaries like this video but when it's criticism they don't like then it becomes "whining" lol
Edit: Realized this was for the wrong comment thread LOL; yeah people be hating to bandwagon probably. I thought this was a reply to the comment about the person who hates Yunjin for no reason
@@topiaryytI feel like people have always had an issue with eunchae doing certain choreography but it’s being more highlighted because of
1. How many times it has happened
2. Greater attention to the group from the Coachella announcement
I think more people are seeing the issues because of le sserafims recent wave of success so in my opinion it’s only being widely critiqued now not because of a sudden hate train but because they have more eyes on them so there is less room for die hard fans to drown out criticisms❤
This is just a thought.
They will copy paste things from Africa but they would never be caught there
Most african countries are dangerous tho, with war and stuff. That is like saying why they are not going to Syria or Ukraine.
You really hit that bg fans stick to the groups they chose to stan. Like I’m a bg stan, but I love listening to gg’s music. I think my playlist consist of 60-70% gg songs. However even though I love them, it is not to the point that I will fight for them online or spend money on them. Girl groups attract casual listeners that’s why they are called digital monsters however this doesn’t convert them to being fans so their physical sales is much lower.
The Lesserafim hate rain is no way near how big the Itzy hate train was (it might get worse in the future though so ıdk) but I think they were caused by the same two things.
Both groups had a "love yourself"/"be confident in yourself" message at debut and I honestly think the fact that these companies who always dot on every move of their idols, making sure they're perfect make them sing songs with those massages feels very hypocritical and it just rubs people the wrong way. And then it eventually turned into hate.
The other reason is the thing I'll call "hit after the first hit" thing. It's pretty self explanatory, groups who have a hit song that shoots them into 'stardom' need to follow it up with hit the same size or bigger then the previous one to really cement their place in the industry. As an example Newjeans had Hype Boy and they followed it up with Ditto.
Meanwhile Itzy's "big hit" that is undeniably Wannabe was followed up by Not Shy, which did good but fell short next to Wannabe. The same way Lesserafim had Antifragile which was followed by unforgiven and just like Not Shy after Wannabe even though it did good, it was a downgrade.
This didn't fuel the hate train ofcourse but it did make these groups easier targets.
my dislike is not with girls, it is overall with Hybe label, because they are using directors who use religion as a theme and not in a good way
Most media (movies, animes, books) are based of the bible. You need to be so for real
@@karlaruiz8685 just because other do it doesn't make it any less wrong.
@@Kudejikashi It's part colonization expanding to countries it shouldn't have, that's the real wrong thing. Us catholics ignore it because it's not wrong if it's done by non catholics since they don't have a religion.
@@karlaruiz8685 most is a streeetch especially for anime (I can only think of Evangelion that's explicit but as far as I know only aesthetic wise cause the creator thought it looks cool, like what happened here) and books and movies exist outside western countries that use other inspirations, as the west does too like Jane Austen, Agatha Christie, Charles Dicken etc books aren't like that and there's so much media that's mystery or romcom or children's books or unserious things.
@@karlaruiz8685is it possible that in comparison to other forms of media the religious symbolism in this comeback is completely unnecessary. As a Christian I can understand if someone is using religious imagery to draw out some deeper meaning or make biblical references but I don’t understand how that would apply to le sserafim ❤
For me its not that comeback i wanted from them i dont like any songs of the album but if other people loving it its for me okay i dont hate any groups i its not my album i dont listening to it at all
Actually Smart isn't Afrobeats it's Amapiano that wasn't done well 😂💀 the production sucks, it was a terrible attempt
Thank you❤ I felt that it was a lazy attempt to dive into a recently successful genre and it felt like they just took recent hits of a similar sound and threw them together (namely Tyla’s water and Doja cat’s woman)
As few haters out there Le Sserafim are earning money, while haters are stressing & dying😂😂. They should help their poor family instead of hating like a sore losers💀💀👏👏🤣🤣
@@demonslayer4951 Say you're not familiar with Amapiano without saying you not familiar with Amapiano challenge.
If they stayed true to the genre it would've banged like antifragile but they really caricaturised it and watered it down to nothing.
if a simple critique of the production of your faves title track causes you this much distress pls log off because you may not survive when actual haters come at them@@demonslayer4951
as a christian catholic, i am so disappointed in le sserafim’s EASY mv they went too far. First, dancing in a church. Second, having the nuns worship them. and third, changing the cross with their own logo. However, it’s not really their fault and was the director, and producers faults. but, they have used my religion as an aesthetic ever since UNFORGIVEN
a lot of horror movies and witch movies were filmed in that "church" but no one said anything and now cause ssera filmed there its a problem....
i think your feelings are valid and a lot of people are unaware of christian imagery in general so they wouldn’t notice, i know i definitely didn’t know any of the catholic imagery until other people told me about it. if it makes you feel better though, i’m pretty sure the church was just a filming church and not actually for services! i think there’s definitely a lot of nuance to be had about why heavy images or themes are used, because sometimes religious themes can be used in a thoughtful and deeply purposeful way, but since i’m not catholic myself i’m not the best to analyze those themes unfortunately. i do hope the production team can maybe come forward though, just to clarify their intent, because i know French twitter in particular has been very offended and upset by Easy’s MV :(
Go listen to hillsong FOH😂
Yeah, all because of the directors vision, it is almost all the time uses religion themes
Now that I know what they did I don't have any words
Gidle has been doing this since debut like concept change having vast discographies trying differrnt style n genre n more or less everybody knew abt this n also for a fact that it really suits them they literally blend themselves perfectly in whichever gente or style they pick up they never really had a prblm with it n also for a fact that their mssg abt feminism stayed strong for every single cb was great n nowadays i see many groups trying this genre or style change for their cb n tbh not every group can think of getting a pass by doing so cuz suddenly changing ur sound from the way that they previously used to do can get a lot of mixed reactions which can turn to hate just like how it happened with itzy when jyp tried to change their sound 😢 i feel like the sound that the group very much fit in tgey should continue to do that cuz suddenly changing it to try new style may not come in favour always just how jyp ruined itzy's sound groups like red velvet,gidle have done this concept change thing since debut so its easier for them to pull up
I don't really like the group, I'm a solo stan. And this comeback had me enough. Before, I was force to stream and all, even protected them from antis, but meh I had enough. Glad I was a devoted solo stan from the start, so there was really nothing to lose.
How do people not get it yet. LSF is the concept, its about the girls journey through kpop and each comeback reflects their feelings in that moment.
I actually kinda disagree with you. I think Le Ssera has a very stable concept like NewJeans - they are "fearless", cool and confident. You can see that in all their discography except maybe Perfect Night
A group with a concept more akin to what you described imo would be Ive. Ive's recent releases Baddie, Off the Record and Either Way are three different tracks that I never would have expected to be in their discography since their concept, in my interpretation, was kinda like the classy, elegant idols
Edit: I honestly don't think concept matters. It's fine if a group chooses to have a concept and it's just as fine if they don't. Concepts can be restrictive though
I feel like Easy was a great fit with Le Ssera. Despite the genre change, I can really see the confidence in both the lyrics and the choreography that makes me feel like "yes this is a le ssera choreo"
Gosh this group would not survive honestly if not of because of the already strong fanbases of that member they have.
I’m sorry wtf is itzy treatment people should stop bullying itzy even when it’s not about them it’s stupid
These keyboard zealots have anything to say abt the grps that are not the ones they support..
It makes no sense to hate on them just cos it's setting is somewhat in a church... it's just a set piece chosen thanks to the high ceilings and colour theme. Not like they actually desecrated a place like how the Israelis actually destroy churches in Gaza.
If you don't like the music or the album just don't listen to it instead of coming here and writing your thoughts as if you people here are the gods of music you think you can change something that's been done. Go find a hobby and do it it's not like we don't go through the same on a our daily life. Nobody is perfect in this world and the next it's only your hard work that will pay at the end of it.
If you hate them, hate them. Stop complaining so much just say "I hate them, I don't Stan them anymore" if you climb off a bus don't expect it to go empty other people will hop on and the journey will continue.
I don't hate LS, just Yunjin, only because I'm a carat and I felt her behavior at the Hybe crossover event in summer 2022 was privileged and obnoxious. That's the extent of Yunjin I've seen other than LS TT. It seemed arrogant and graceless to not admit defeat. I always thought she was popular so I'm curious about the narrative you're referring to, bc I don't know it.
Oh dear, I haven’t heard of this incident before. I’ll have to google that one 😅
Wait, I'm a carat and I don't know what you're talking about. Cane you please explain? /gen
@@user-wx7ig9oy3o th-cam.com/video/z1ZIWJaKWGY/w-d-xo.html There's like 3 or 4 hours of content. Really fun, bc I'm also slight moa and engene. I also really like Chaewon.
@@topiaryyt I doubt you'd find much on google, it was a very small personal petty gripe. She's probably a better person, but that being the only thing I know her for leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I just watched a bias of mine leave with grace and humility so I was angry she was so brazen to say yes when she had clearly failed. th-cam.com/video/lIOPeOyh_oo/w-d-xo.html That's the specific episode and around 7-8 min mark.
@@user-wx7ig9oy3o th-cam.com/video/z1ZIWJaKWGY/w-d-xo.html 3 or 4 hours of content. I'm also a slight moa, engene, and Chaewon fan, so very enjoyable multi fandom experience. ^^