When to STOP SPLIT PUSHING and GROUP? Learn How! | Skill Capped
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- Learn to SPLIT PUSH the right way: Know when to STOP SPLITTING!
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Learn how to SPLIT PUSH properly as a top laner. Sometimes you need to split push for towers and sometimes you need to split push to collapse. In this challenger top lane guide, we teach you how to split push to WIN TEAM FIGHTS reliably with numbers advantages with this league of legends macro guide!
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How to win bruiser vs bruiser matchups
What to do when you get counterpicked in top and they start freezing? Example: Wukong vs Jax. Wukong loses in terms of damage and if he goes for cs Jax hops on him into E and hard wins trades. Pls make this guide!!! Love you guys 😊
@@salehamini2036 Oops! Fixed :)
@@Bollter_Slideston Great idea! Thanks :)
But then my team forces 4 v5 fight,loses,blames me lol
always
That's the burden we carry fellow top lane mains
Yeah unfortunately almost nobody knows this stuff and so theyll flame you :^)
Nice, my team usually fights 4v3 and loses.
Well i get camped and my bot and mid lose because why wouldn't they?
Do this for adc. When to farm and when to group!
U stop farming when you're full build, your team has 4 ppl, they can hold out
@@sparkleyunicorn3546 i dont even want to reply to this comment
@@Alberto-sv1ou ikr the plat adc mindset there😂
When the wave is pushing towards you, you go to the sidelane and push it. When its in the "pressure zone" you either group for an objective or recall spend gold and push the other sidelane
Sparkley Unicorn Hardstuck Iron level 100
Feels like this only works consistently in higher elos, where your team actually plays safely when they're in a 4v5.. in plat 3 this doesn't work at all since they just engage 4v5 or can't play safely enough and let the other team's malph get a 4 man ult ;_;
or need all four of them to take wolves and enemy team collapses on u for free
@@RainbowSushiii good point lol
Bro, come on down to silver sometime, where you can go 31/2/14 and still take an L.
@@AW-nz4glLol yesterday i came down to silver.. I lost
This is somewhat true, despite being high Diamond on my main, when I go on my smurf in Plat where I limit test champs, plat players are extremely terrible at playing safe.
Hey skill capped. For your next jungle guide can you release a guide on how to properly play assassin junglers? With kha, eve and a couple other assassins being priority picks and shaco’s rework just around the corner. I think it’s a good idea on how to play them optimally. I.e team fights, pathing etc. Would love it.
As a shaco main i would love To see that
Priority picks roflmao
I think skill capped focuses more on decision making and macro, asking for something like this would probably be too specific.
@@JeffH4rdy96 oh look, Kha picked first round of draft in World's. F off with your "roflmao"
Watch some kingstix videos. He is very good at explaining in-depth his eve jungle and others
Reliable predictability XD I'm playing in gold/plat and nothing is reliable. My teammates fighting 4v5 is common phenomen
I always thought that you should stay in the lane to pressure as long as you could to make two or three enemies come to answer, then tell your team to push something in or take an objective somewhere else.
For example, I played a lot of Yorick last season. I would reach the level where at least two people needed to respond to me if I was left alone in a side lane, so I would tell my team, "hey go get an objective while half their team tries to kill me." They never would, of course, but I figure that's a sound strategy right? You're making more than one person respond to your pressure, which makes it easier for your team to force something somewhere else.
trick2g said that u need to use d cane and use purple skin and teleport and ghost and buy zzrot and get rift herald as ur priority get any things that is purple and u are good to go
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I've been playing league for about 6 months, i love the game a lot and im gold 3 with a 54% win rate thanks to your yt videos :D
This momen when you play since S7 and main supp to feel bad now for wasting your time because y r stuck in Silver...
There are supports in chali as well...
dw I played since s4 I'm silver4
@@thomaszeymer3626 hey hows it going now after three years?
@@purcinnamon7404 probaly challenger now, while were are still stuck in silver haha
Amazing guide, guys! I consider this a midgame guide, actually. This explains why I start to lose in farm in the mid game (too much grouping). Thanks, really eye opener!
can you do a high elo version? Because in master / grandmaster & challenger completing the rotation will not generate kills anymore. Instead you have to look and hover only and take additional camps either from opponents jungle or your own, like krugs / crab / enemy gromp / wraiths etc. Good video! ++
Doesn't that train of events generate an advantage eventually though? Because the numbers advantage can be used to contest objectives if it doesn't get you kills.
When you're under fed and nasus is hitting your nexus like it owes him money
Lol
send this to all nasus mains who slow push and stack every single minion XD
Nasus’s E cannot oneshot casters until maxed, making it hard to fast push as fast as, lets say, darius
@@deblob123456789 I played Ap nasus they dont expect that burst from your E at all lmao
@@rayan3754 and u don't expect to die to 4 adc crits as well XD
its not rly wrong because it means more stacks and morr towerdmg or it takes longer for the enemy to clear the wave
@@rayan3754 Honestly fuck stacks, full AP E-max Nasus is a force to be reckoned with.
This is especially for if you play nasus,because this is where actually he becomes one of hardest champions to master and with nasus you have kill pressure and splitpush power since level 6 and sheen which in side lane (DO NOT RUSH IF NOT NECESSARY,INSTEAD TAKE BOOTS IF YOU FAVOUR HAVING RESISTANCES OVER DAMAGE IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS)which means enemy will have to seond 2 pepole aginst you since you favour 1 vs 1s so you can or hold them hostage with presence or leave wave ASAP,forcing number advantage situation where teleport would be more useful but ghost/flash is still favourable becasue you get too sticky to kite,but if enemy dosen't respond start actually pusing it full force and try to end the game but look out to not get caught in process,this can be applied to any other toplaner in general favouring splitpush over teamfighting and monkey teammates intestifies
What on earth am I supposed to do if, while I'm splitting, my team overextend and end up losing a 4v5? The enemy top laner is rewarded for not collecting the wave and I'm punished for trying to gain numbers advantage. I don't really get it
True...
What's also important to take away fron this video's underlying important lesson is to always play with intent
If you're shoving bot look if you can ward around dragon/the enemy's blue/scuttler.
If those aren't there go for the same things top, if that is there then:
Group with your team or slow farm bot or top whichever objective will soon be up on either side.
Really helpful and good images with clear instructions. Thanks!
This really helps
This is the video that’s going to get me out of iron.
Prob. Not...
If you're iron it isn't because you're not splitting properly. It is most likely because: You die too much, you don't farm and your builds/runes are incorrect.
Hey ProGuides!
I just advanced from S4 to S2 tonight!
Thanks for the helpful content.
@@ElNightmareYT
I'm Iron because I can't afford a proper computer.
@@Trias805 No, that's just being delusional.
Split on the oposite side of the most important objective when the TP is UP and on the Objective side when TP is down
When I played Teemo against Riven. The Riven rekt me and took both my towers, but when I got to level 6, I started shrooming the jungles then focused on split pushing. I fed her so I hard, I planned on pushing to their Pressure Zone then left to grab their camps and shroom their area as well. Although I wasn't helpful to my team as I fed, I slowed down Riven and their Jungler by shrooming up the jungle so they took damage and be slowed when they tried to roam down to mid meaning they had to focus on clearing the wave at top and either find my shrooms or hunt me down. Although I thought I was a liability to my team, I was still helpful by split pushing.
They also got mid and bot inhibiters, so idk what they were up to, but somehow.... We won that game because of my split pushing.
*TEEMO ONE OF THE MOST ANNOYING CHAMPIONS IN LEAGUE*
At 2:45 i do this because i know my team will still take the 4v5 despite number disadvantage. Im in gold btw. They'd flame you if you dont join teamfights...
I hate how much I can relate. We lost the last game because while top and me were splitpushing our support Rakan randomly walked into enemy jungle and started attacking the blue buff alone. He got caught, teammates followed him and died too, end of game.
I love Vizicsacsi! Great video as well.
What do you think about current ranking system? Isn't it wrong to have one diamond player be otp and have 70% winrate while in same league you can find someone with 50% or less winrate with thousands of games?
Hey Skill Capped Challenger LoL Guides can you release an ADC guide: how to get your golds, items, and stay alive in teamfights when your team is feeding or when you’re behind in Laning phase, for Season 9? What champ are strong in the current meta and how to play them. And what about Mid-Range ADCs??? Thank you! ✌️🙏🙏🙏👍😂😊
usually what happens is everyone just arams mid, and either I am not contested, or 5 people contest me in which case I just straight up have to back up or die because 5 contest me, either way my team eventually loses 4v5s because they still take the teamfight and I still feel helpless, I think the main reason why I lose games is because of a bad laning phase but still its annoying when I have no impact because we lose every teamfight
As a real top laner we win spliting or die trying :D
When I do this, what happens is:
1. My team decides that when I'm clearing bot or top, it's the perfect opportunity to engage, die 4v5, and cry in all chat to report me.
2. I lose cs because the enemy doesn't come to collect the wave I pushed and it kills all the enemy minions. And it's pushed too far up for me to come and safely crash the wave into the enemy tower. If I do that, I likely get collapsed on by the entire enemy team while mine is using that situation as a perfect occasion to put pressure elsewhere on the map by farming raptors or recalling to buy 2 potions.
Is there a way to prevent the above from happening? Does the strategy above require your teammates to know what you're doing or is there a way to work around that?
I know I'm salty but I just can never find a good time to clear a wave in a side lane when everyone else is playing ARAM.
Refer to their first video about the selfish strategy if your team is unreliable.
should be called: "When stop playing Aram and start splitpushing"
Iron-Gold player's answer: Never. (Unless you're playing Nasus, Jax, or Trynd).
I have just a question is that strategy work with any champions if you win your lane ?
Skill Capped: WHEN TO STOP SPLIT PUSHING
Trick: Hold my zz'rot
R.I.P Zzrot
WOW! this is very helpful!
if only this works in silver and below
I was playing a game as vayne vs a miss fortune Leona comp, my support was a bard , we lost lane and I told my team I would stay bot and farm a bit because vayne with only a Cutlass is pretty worthless, of course I got flamed for farming bot, flamed over and over, but in the end even though we lost mid inhib I came back with a couple of items and face rolled the enemy team, I don't understand why my team kept fighting 4v5 while behind but there it is, after coming back and carrying I got flamed in the after game chat too...oh and our jungler inted twice 1v2 bot lane and he was the one flaming the hardest.
Actually we all know that you can stop splitpushing. Its when the enemy nexus is destroyed
Is this mostly a toplane thing or should anyone do this?
I do this as a jungler and the laners go crazy about their farm.
Thank you, this guide helped alot! Now i can also tell what toplane is supposed to do and not just rely on the 0 impact memes
toplane still has 0 impact LOLLL
:D
I don't regret watching this
I got a noob question... At early game, when i have to do damage to towers for plates gold or roam after i clash the minions without the laner to defend?
Aatrox clearing a wave good meme
I was looking for this comment LMAO
What if your useing a high attack speed AD champion and you know your team can buy lots of time 4v5 but will die to any fight? Do you just risk it and hope your turret DPS is enough to win the base race?
The minions look so cool!
So no one is going to talk about how much dmg that kennen's Q did to cait at 3:25 ?
it was q + w
keep up the good work
is it always good to go diferent lane after you pushed it superhard into their teritory? even if guy that should defend it is not showing there? or i need to wait for someone to show bot in order to atack?
How does pushing give you a CS advantage if you are sending them right into the enemy area where you can’t get close to farm them due to tower or champion?
The wave will slow push to you after crashing in the enemy tower, giving you time to roam. It will be close to your tower when you come back, so you can farm safely. It's pointless to do it if both you and the enemy are in lane though, other than diving or recaling
4:20
Very very brave ashe
What if you split pushing puts your team into a 4v5?
Should junglers use these tips aswell?
ok, hear me out in this one, what if... I rather freeze the lane on my collection zone for a couple of waves instead of insta hard push?
Its not bad per se but you're giving you enemy an awfull amount of free time in the map
Short answer never if u bellow platinum keep pushing till you win. Ur welcome :3
Lol true true TRUE.
This is for more higher elo games than not. If u wanna get out at leat plat play 1 or 2 champs and polished ur mechanics even if its not a meta champ.
I just don’t understand I’m in plat and what happens is I get 100 cs and 3 level lead by lane and this but then my team just randomly dies 2/3/4v5 cus the other team just arams and ignores side lanes totally
That didn’t work cus they literally just end the game after doing this twice cus 3 people push faster than I do so they get a random 4 kills 2 maybe 3 times the game ends they just ignore me
This works so fking good with quinn, u just run around and push every wave and pressure them so hard, that ur team can just group as 5 and push to inhib xd
But that rarely works though, cause ur team often thinks fighting 4v5 while i am pushing is a good idea lol
wait i do this all the time as a mid laner is that bad?
Thats what i needed as an gold fiora otp
You forgot the fact that, even when you ask your team to not fight 4v5... they do it anyways and blames you xd
This is 100% true. Iron-plat.
I play a lot of rell top, and i strugle when i am not in team fight cause my wawe clear is shit and altought i have a lot of cc i don't have damage, how can i counter split pushing champs?
wow, bem massa esse gameplay de coach
awesome vid
This is assuming that other players in team are actually grouping and prompt to take advantage from whatever the split pusher is doing, but don't forget that low elo players are blind and not everyone watches skill-capped
helpful, ty
sadly its hard to go for 1-4-0 1-0-4 1-3-1 2-3-0.... in soloQ when people will just engage anytime 3 vs5
I don't really know man I got demoted to plat 4 for 4th time . I really just wanna give up playing top. I win lane 80 per of time. Then perma split. Force 2 to come defend. While my team loses 4vs 3. Because enemy bot is ahead so they can carry. I just feel like games aren't meant to be carried by 1 person anymore even if u r really ahead . It's more of better teams or bot wins now.
by the time i typed an essay and told my team not to engage and pushed, they get engaged/they engage die/get aced or they have zero to no pressure whatsoever, even after i bring 2/3+ ppl towards me, they are wandering around, and later died to them and i ended up getting pinged. warding and hiding and waiting for their rotation on me to pass does not work either. only guide is needed to know when to dodge, understanding the comp and the teams competence seeing their pick. thats the only thing that matters. how the other bots will fair with the champs they are piloting even after playing like shit 24/7 of the "laning" phase
8:00 If you do that Fiora takes inhib in like 30 seconds..
None of this is valid when your teams want to run it down 4v5 and blame you when they die because, ‘you weren’t there’ -_-
So frustrating trying to split, you get to the first wave botlane and your team just forces a 4v5, dies, and then cries
5:09 Actually in that case your team gets wiped out in a 4v5 because they're idiots and blame you for not coming, and the enemies proceed to take two turrets and an inhibitor.
so what happens when my team plays yasuze 4vs5 aram 24-7 365. the problem begins here.
3:00 If both teams are just fighting mid 5v5... looks like you are on NA server c:
7:47 hahaha don't you know TheBaus ? :DD
4:34 TOUCOUILLE !
Please stop split pushing if the enemy team has hard engage
p l e a s e
Papa Hyurno, big fan here. UwU
God, i have to do the splitpushing and sidelane-farming EVERY GAME because the rest of my team doesnt. Problem is: im jungler.
This made me default to picking jglers that CAN splitpush (trundle, jax, garen) ;-;
Beat content ever
For me, Everywhere is a pressure zone and i dont know how the enemy gets entire map control every game
if u do this consistently youre already ahead of EUW D4
Two guides of split pushing and Yorick isn't mentioned in both...
I just THOUGHT about this yesterday in the shower and magically TH-cam slaps it on my recommended today... what’s going on here 🧐
The biggest L of 2019 was Skillcapped saying Yahtzee doesn't take skill.
Thats wrong. They dont fall behind if they dont take the wave, cuz the kill my team over and over.
I split and they just sit mid and fight 4vs5. But i cant finish on sidelanes cuz they destroy mid and would end if im not going mid and fight back.. so i die and the game is over.
good game
Y’all ever just, beat the bad matchups cause 1 deadman’s and thornmail + titanic hydra and maybe a side of some ad? Sion some fun sometimes, but seriously what the hell even is Fiora right now? Insane champ.
imagine that guys my team got a random fight in mid and there is a huge wave with 2 canons is about to crush under my tower.
i farmed then their supp and adc came to inturrept my split. my team lost the fight and a free herald and dragon . Yep u guessed it my team blamed me for not grouping and i was reported
Wait this isn't ARAM?
Here in Solo-Q, you don't group with the team. The team group with you.
I do this every game yet most the time my team forces fights 4v4 when i spm ping to wait for collspse
Even if they do, I don't mind. It makes their advice easier to remember.
A lot of my Ziggs games are won through these splits. Usually, regardless of the state of the game, Ziggs has the ability to apply pressure and force responses, which forces the enemy to abandon their own advantages because unless you know what you're doing, Ziggs will win the base race.
4 vs 5 on raptorcamp lets go
this is more than conditional though.
Is slow push not better? 😄
Nasus: *we don't do that here*
if you cap at 7:35 "i swear he was going to say fiora"
nasus mains: No hablo ingles
From Iron 4 to Iron 3 cool
P.s. works
All of this is assuming your team doesn't run into the 6-0 yasuo 1 by one as soon as you leave them alone. I swear I swear some of my teammates are bots.
Never
I can imagine my Camille Force Skirmish HAHAHAHAH
Its all nice untill your team decides to fight 4 v 5 while u push and lose a game
To me sound like bullshit this strategy. I mean it makes sense, but in the case of Aatrox and Sylas, Sylas applied the same strategy of Aatrox, with the big different that the 4v5 was started before Sylas collected his minions. In the end the voice said Aatrox did the right choice, but indeed both played the same strategy.