*I don't care what camera you use, so let's not do the [insert camera name] sucks thing. I do think you should do your research, and knowing what these video machines can do should be a part of it. Cheers!*
I've been looking at a Canon camcorder for a B camera actually. My EOS M with manual focus lenses is great for most of what I do but a good camcorder for events and Broll would be great. I'm an Americorps VISTA so cheap is a must.
More new film makers should watch this video. It's a conversation I've had countless times. I'm a senior broadcast infrastructure engineer and have run my own production companies. I have 20 years of experience working from concept through to broadcast and completely agree with everything you've said. DSLR's are superb, but Video Cameras/Camcorders are built exclusively with Video and Audio in mind. Great channel, great advice and superbly articulated.
I just love the camcorder for it's ergonomy, a dslr is painful to use for a long time and you mostly need both hands but with a camcorder you can go one arm easily. And I use it all the time because it's so convenient.
I’ve been filming at trade shows in Vegas for a decade. I’ve used a lot. Cell Phone, GoPro, cheap camcorder, DSLR with 3 lenses mic and light on a shoulder rig….I’m a run and gun interviewer so I recently purchased a Sony FDR AX 53 because of its gimbal lens with zoom, big battery for 2 hours of flawless recording with no overheating like my GoPro hero 10 did after 29 minutes indoors. 5 minutes till overheating in the sun. I also love the headphone jack and the ability to buy extra huge batteries and how fast batteries swap out. Camcorders are old tech but they are still better for some of us who need zoom, big batteries and 2 hour run times and 5 second setup to record. Thanks for the video bro
Great approach to the topic! Watched several reviews on this awesome camera and this is really concise and precise spot on! Yes why buying all that DSLR crap spending more and more of sour earned money. That's exactly what the industry wants you to do. But once you purchased one of these no more headaches about which lens you should consider to buy next, how can I get around recording limits, bad audio etc. Just get this thing and you are good for a very long time without spending riches on equipment time and time again. Keep it up!
So I have a couple mirrorless Canons R5 & R6 plus a solid set of RF L lenses. I wanted a decent all in one cam that I could even improve upon with certain things. I picked up a Sony AX700 which is a pretty damn solid Camcorder. And if I really want XLR inputs.. they have an attachment which would give me that. It has internal nd's.. Oh wait.. You're using the AX700 haha This is an older video but the AX700 is still a great camera if you get it for a good price, which I did.. Open Box $999 I commented previously about the sensor size being a fatal flaw & decided it was still worth buying. I just set it up and am loving the easy workflow this will give me.
Wow . . .I wish I'd seen this video years ago! I went from camcorders to SLR's then to mirrorless cameras and FINALLY back to camcorders - for the reasons you outlined. At least I got there in the end.
Yeah I use them all. I love the DSLR that’s mounted and is stationary in my studio but for anything where I need movement or live streaming or anything else always grab my camcorders.
Awesome video. A few years ago I volunteered as a 2nd shooter for a video at my church alongside a retired wedding videographer. I showed up with my trusty Canon 70D dslr. He chuckled and said, “Nice camera. If you’re serious about video, one day you’ll want to buy a real video camera.” I remember at the time thinking he was just an old dude who wasn’t with the times. After everything I’ve learned and experienced since then, I realized he was right!
typical camcorder user is an old 50+ man that never bothered to learn dslr. I'm 52 and no way I would consider using a camcorder when I shoot weddings.
I came back and re-watched this. You've got really good energy/delivery in front of the camera. Nice job. I bought my AX-700 used in Nov 2018? from a guy that needed cash to help fund some kitchen renos his wife was making him....( suggested he look into ) do, and since he had other cameras, the 700 was the one he sold. I got a couple of chargers and extra batteries and the padded bag for $1200 Canadian back when these were selling for over $2000 in stores up here. I just checked on Amazon and they have then for 2,398.00 Canadian. So, not much of a price drop. The video quality still holds up against other units from what I've seen on TH-cam. I'm not a pro video guy, I do audio recording as my main source of income, so this camera, for me, is like hunting canaries with a shot gun. Far more power than I need and lots of time to outgrow its capabilities as I learn to use it properly. Videos like yours remind us of the awesome power this camera brings to the table. Thanks again for that. Have a good day. Regards, Alex.
Wow, I'm impressed, i just bought that camera and your review calmed my soul regarding the dilemma between using my sony a7iii and the fdr ax700. Thank you very much! Good, good job.
Getting my AX700 in a few days, I did my research and thought I wanted an A6400 but like you said, all the lenses and accessories to kit it out would be pushing the $3000 range, or $1500 for the AX700 and its just ready to go.
Thank you for confirming my decision to buy a camcorder after many hours researching what to buy to make videos. Bought a Sony AX55P, so-called prosumer with fabulous 1080, 4K slow mo etc. Use a preamp with XLR for off-camera microphone. Once again thank you very much for your excellent videos.
I think a good camcorder is the answer for me then. Can a camcorder do hi def slow motion without editing? I'm looking for a solution with little post production other than adding my separate audio track.
Finally someone is suggesting using a video camera or camcorder to do video. What a novel idea. If still photography is not a priority or if you're not a photographer, it seems like the logical choice. I got the Canon x f 200 in 2014 and haven't regretted the investment. Hooking up professional xlr cables makes audio so easy. Of course lugging it around is getting old as I get older, so I am looking for new options. This video was helpful, thanks.
Thanks Sigrid. The xf200 is a nice one. The was initially surprised when I pulled this one out of the box, and it was small and light, and I thought, "Oh-oh, big mistake." It wasn't.
You are awesome man .. very neat and informative tutorial and I liked it very much. You are absolutely right. I personally think that a DSLR should only be used for photos..yes.. photography.. thats what they're actually supposed to be used for.. and for filming ... yup .. you guessed it. I love how optical stabilization works on camcorders .. it actually comforts the eyes of the viewers (at least me)! Thank you very much for sharing this... I enjoyed and appreciated all of it.
"...you have to shoot something right the f now..." awesome! Never had that happen. Ever. You, sir, are killing me. I just found your channel today and now I am binge watching you like there is no tomorrow. Keep up the great work.
This is one of the first commentaries I've seen that says exactly what I've been saying when I consult with churches on video equipment. We went with a set of vid cams for our work and every time I see someone struggling with their mass-o-equipment based on an SLR, I decide again that we've made the right decision. Our decision was also based on the fact that a lot of SLRs are noisy and vibrate when you adjust the zoom. It all comes down to me to whether you're buying equipment that's designed to take stills and invest hugely to get it to do passable video or buying equipment that's designed to record video and occasionally "snap" a still on it.
Hahaha I like the way you persuade audience, great video - I am going to buy Camcorder but can you also suggest which brand and model is the best money for value.
I'm looking at the Fujifilm X-T4 system, about $2‚500 basic, but after seeing this "wow" my mind is blown. I didn't realize all these DSLR type features were available in a single camcorder. Thanks for the enlightenment.
If you're going the DSLR-like route, the Panasonic G7 is by far the best choice. $500 gets you a brand new body and kit lens, plus the lenses you'll need to round everything out are relatively cheap, small, and light. However, a beginner should probably just get a Panasonic VX870 camcorder instead: $550-$750 (sales and open box prices make it vary drastically) gets you a real camcorder with 4K, clean (if you want) HDMI out, and some degree of manual control. Throw in a Zoom H4n which is the best investment you'll ever make and you have a great camera kit for under $1,000. No, the camcorder won't look quite as nice as a DSLR-style camera because of the smaller sensor, but the advantages of camcorders more than make up for it. You can't take a good on-the-spot shot with a DSLR, but a camcorder is the perfect tool for it. You didn't mention another problem with mics attached to the camera: many under-$1000 cameras use low-bitrate AAC compressed audio rather than uncompressed LPCM or even just high-bitrate AAC audio; it's also limited to 48 kHz 16-bit whereas a Zoom H4n can record 96 kHz at 24-bit depth which makes a BIG difference when you start trying to clean up that nasty room with notch filters, EQs, and noise reduction. That Sony camcorder is quite nice, but it's also generally very expensive compared to the Panasonic offerings.Sony has better stabilization but Sony camcorders tend to restrict manual settings to one setting only. I tested this out in a store once and sure enough, you cannot set shutter speed AND aperture at the same time on a premium $1,700 Sony FDR-AX100 camcorder! That manual control restriction really soured me on the Sony camcorders. On the flip side, the Panasonic I'm pushing doesn't have a histogram; it's high-end consumer, not prosumer, so there are some things I miss. If I had to pick one camera only, the Panasonic G7 is the one I'd keep, but the VX870 camcorder has f/1.8 at full wide and high-quality glass. As always, it's just one man's opinion, so take everything in this comment with a big Leica-flavored grain of salt.
Hey Jody! Good points. I didn't have a problem setting this camera's ISO, IRIS, and etc., individually. It's fiddly, and that's what I thought at first, but the camera drops you in auto for these, and once you click in the setting and change it, it understands you wanted to manually set it. I could have gone into the audio options on this, and much, much more, but it was getting way too long, which is why a lot of that is missing in here. Maybe I'll just make a video sometime only about this camera. Panasonic also makes really great stuff and I love the f/1.8.
I've done over a 100 YT videos using inexpensive (now!) Canon R800 and R400 camcorders. The R800 is less than $250 new and does a great job with the stationary, generally well lit, outdoor pistol shooting videos I produce. I can set them up, manual focus, and let them run for 2 hours while I concentrate on shooting a pistol well instead of worrying about the video. Batteries last well over 2 hours continuous. Even these inexpensive models have HDMI out, external mic input when needed, and enough manual control for most purposes. The files aren't large but are good enough resolution for my purposes. Yes, I have 4k cameras, but I use them for grandkids and sports and other more challenging situations where I can shoot short clips and be behind the camera. I use a Tascam DR-10L audio recorder with good results and sync everything in post. Not too difficult to do with pistol shots as sound markers.
You were on fire with this one! I can’t help laughing your humour is so dry I really wonder if you’re even aware of it. I think this is one of your best. Keep up the helpful work thanks
I gotta say this is a VERY helpful presentation to alot if not most filmmakers starting out. Fantastic reality check and a great budget friendly solution. Especially during this holiday season! Very timely during this Thanksgiving week👍🎬
Love my Sony camcorders, even did a video about them. Why would someone not consider a camcorder since it’s made primarily for VIDEO. Another great video
YEP - Camcorders all day every day & three times on Sunday. I love my Sony FDR-AX53 and will be upgrading to the Sony PXW-Z90 around July this year. The in-built stabiliser in the AX53 is incredible. You even could say, it's the boss . . . (groan).
@@imabigsandwich1292 lol!!! There are camcorders dirt cheap AND there are camcorders with full frame sensors and interchangeable lenses. For me the sweet spot Is a 1" sensor like the Panasonic or Sony from last generation. The colors are spot on, and you can film for hours without overheating or time limits. The electronics, from the Mic preamps to the buttons switches are top notch and the price Is equivalent with same sensor sized mirrorless photo camera, but the camcorder offers a lot More.
@@amermeleitorAny camcorders below 500$ have worse video quality then a 140$ iphone 6 with promovie, and for the same price you can get a 5d mark 2 to shoot 3k raw video or a bmpcc to shoot incredibly filmic raw video as well. And for more high end camcorders like the ax100, the rx10 mark 2 gives you a lot more like 960fps slow motion with the same sensor, and half the price even on the used market. Or the newer camcorders that shoots 10bit codecs like the xf705, for the same price you can get 2 a7s3, or a a7s3 with a ton of excellent lenses, while having 10bit 4k120, dual native iso of 640 and 16000, fullframe sensor, 15+ stops of dynamic range, and a ton more. These camcorders makes sense for run and gun news crews that aim to keep their footprint low. But if you are doing anything oher then that. It's very hard to justify the purchase of a camcorder.
This was a great video! Some people are too young to remember camcorders recording to VHS (my first camcorder, a huge, shoulder-mounted Panasonic), or VHS-C, or 8mm, or Hi-8... ugh.... and, back then, the cost of a top-tier camcorder, or even a second-tier camcorder, was about the same as a very good modern DV camcorder, such as in the video above (*I'll let you do the math to figure out how much $1800 was worth back in 1980...) We have it so good these days, and have so many more great, and affordable, choices for A/V gear... and I'm so glad that DSLR's didn't kill camcorders...
Finally a video that does not discredit the camcorder. Also good to know that camcorders are created for video which is what people are on youtube for, Video.
I totally agree. I didn't have a choice with the camera I was given where I work, but it's a camcorder and I love it (DVX-200)! I think if someone wants to be an all round shooter and have flexibility in what jobs they can take, camcorders are the best option (esp for one man bands). I can do live events, interviews, Broll, and whatever else. I never have to think about what lens to take. I just make sure I got my mics, lights, and camera, and I'm usually good to go. Another benefit is that if I shoot 4K, I can use one card slot for the 4K and the second for my 1080 proxy. This makes my post workflow much easier. Anyways, you did a great job explaining here and have really enjoyed your videos.
Really appreciate you running through all this. Some might just say "hey, try a camcorder", you have done all the homework for us, numbers as well. I'm slowly moving into event videography, needing to upgrade from a pair of canon sl2s and looking at all these mirrorless cameras and accessories when in reality, I'm trying to find a camcorder.
I think the GH5 Lumix is a hybrid. It's Micro Four Thirds which means a cheaper lens, a long battery and IBIS. The biggest issue with Sony AX700 is the 1 inch sensor and low light.
A friend of mine got this camera because it was recommended to him. I like it a lot! My friends and I shoot with DSLRs and some FS5/FS7 cameras, and that camera would really nicely replace a DSLR.
It works well. It isn't PERFECT, but hell, I don't know any camera that is. I like having both...it's getting to the point where I leave my DSLR stationary in the studio for shooting episodes, and everything else, I just gran and go with the camera.
Fantastic advice on the camcorder option, I completely agree and switched to an inexpensive Sony camcorder (HDR-PJ410) for all my video recording last year. With all manual settings options, I get to tweak it almost like a DSLR, at a fraction of the cost, and I don't have to deal with huge files (I'm not fan of 4K or 1080p for TH-cam, blow me). Plus the remote app on private wifi is perfect for me for one man band situation. The only downside is there's no audio in, so I am forced into recording audio externally, then syncing in post, which takes a bit more time than I would like. But I love my camcorder setup for all my TH-cam videos.
Wow! Just came across your channel & videos. Am just starting out with my own TH-cam idea and in less than an hour you have given me so much great info - thanks for your efforts! Much appreciated. Cheers.
Great video! I moved from a Canon 80D to a Sony AX53 camcorder this year and it’s been amazing. The BOSS floating lens is the best stabilization I’ve ever used and I don’t need a gimbal anymore! Love it!
Ramiro Jiménez I don't know about the comparison, but I do know you can dial just about everything in on thee cameras. I'm going to take some time to explore this, as I love the Canon color system.
I have always been a fan of camcorders. Just purchase an Canon XA11 and an XA40. My very first pro camcorder I purchase was the Canon XHA1s. Then DSLR came a long, just flooded the market but I refused to purchase a DSLR, because the of accessories, are expensive. The camcorders I purchase are great and footage come out excellent.
Desena Harper Yep. Do the research...once you figure out all the terminology and what's hype and B.S., it becomes clear what you will need. Everyone's needs are different so get what works for you. Or, make sure you really need a new camera. I can be surprising to find out that you haven't really tapped out all the things the existing camera can do.
While I like a lot of things about camcorders, here's a few things that sucked about them for me when I was choosing what to buy: 1. Mediocre color. For some reason (probably has sth to do with smaller sensors) most options that I looked at had mediocre color. Now, my budget was limited to just $1000, so most 1-inch camcorders were out of my range, but still, you can get a decently priced DSLR or mirrorless and have amazing colors or you can get a similarly priced camcorder and the colors may be all grey and mushy. 2. Framerates. For some reason, most Panasonic camcorders (which are the better ones in the budget range where Sonys often suck) were limited to shooting at 50p/60p at only 28mbit bitrate. I mostly shoot at 25p/30p, so this was a no go for me. Also most, if not all, camcorders don't let you switch regions (pal/ntsc), and you can never get 24p in Europe (where the US get 30p and sometimes 24p, Europe always gets just 25p). This is yet another PITA. 3. Low resolution screens and lack of manual control (or the gimmicky-ness of it). Most camcorders in my price range either had mediocre screens at 460k pixels that weren't made for critical focus, or had gimmicky touch screen controls. Again, at about $500 you can get a nice dslr with some nice vintage glass (or the nifty fifty) and all the controls are there, with the dials and big focus rings. 4. No mic jack on many budget models and no headphone jack unless you go over $1k (at least here in Europe). Now most DSLRs also don't have headphone jacks, but almost all of them have mic jacks these days, and most newer ones have nice preamps too. Also if you are considering a Canon camcorder, please note that they don't supply power over 3.5mm mic jack which means that most lavaliers won't work. God knows why they would do that, considering that their DSLRs are void of this annoying issue. To sum up, if we don't go to the extremes (like here with $2-3k dslr and probably around $2k worth of a camcorder), you can find good options with both DSLRs and camcorders. Oh, and I was actually impressed at how well one of my previously owned camcorders, Canon m52, handled low light: it actually surpassed my old Canon 600d by a mile in terms of how clean and nice the picture looked indoors.
Yep. Do the research before droping the coin. I was surprised when I looked at this as 1.) Color was great, 2.) Framerates up to 120 at 100mps with full PAL support, 3.) Beautiful screen and manual control, 4.) Mic jack, headphone jack. Haven't tested lapel on this, which is what I'll do.
@@BasicFilmmaker It is a nice camera, I agree. I remember looking at Ax100 at the time, but it was out of my price range and, for a camcorder, had slow AF as it was one of the first consumer 1-inch 4k camcorders, i.e. bleeding edge. I ended up getting a Panasonic G85, which for exactly $1k had a nice and crisp 5x zoom kit lens, built-in sensor IS which can be coupled with lens stabilization for extra effect, good pre-amps (for my Rode Videomic and cheap lavalier), weather resistance, nice screen/viewinder/fully functional hdmi out (albeit it's a ridiculous microHDMI port), and also a surpsrisingly good battery. It doesn't have a headphone jack though (can be fixed with an hdmi to 3.5mm adapter). Still, if the prices on these 1-inch camcorders drop in the coming years, I may get myself one to scratch that itch from my good old Sony HC-62, which was so comfortable to handle and had great features (and IS) for a budget camcorder in the miniDV days :)
For sure. And let's face it, most haven't begun to use what they have to it's fullest extent, me included, so "needing" a new camera is kind of a way to get new cool stuff. :)
Nice! My XF400 arrived last week and I LOVE it. Creating a course for that camera soon, as I can see quite a few people new to this would get seriously lost. :)
Thanks for this! So now it's clear for me. For videos (extensive or in general) and possibly filmshooting Buy a camcorder For pictures get a camera dslr, etc
You know, this is a good point. I like taking pictures too, which is where a DSLR works great, as I don't have to buy both. But with all the trouble my DSLR has given me when it comes to video, I can't help but wonder now if it would just be better to have a camcorder for a huge project I want to work on.
I think so. I had a project I needed to do, and after looking again, I realized this would save me so much time and trouble, which is why I bought it. I wasn't disappointed once I played with it and got to know it's limitations. There are a lot cheaper ones, but I didn't want another "problem child."
Glad to hear a positive clip about camcorders, I film with Sony handycam corder all the time, when I will upgrade is in a better camcorder, the DSLR is not for me
The only difference is with the Camcorder you need to spend the $1,985. full up front, where as the DSLR you can spend $600 to start off, then $300 more a month later then $250 more 2 months later then $600 more 2 months later and so forth (voice of experience, this is what I did) but if you got the coin, definitely Camcorder is the way to go.
i started vlogging and i'm using sony handycam PJ410, it works well with 1080p, wide angle lens, microphone, autofocus and more.... i thought dslr is the perfect cam for vlogging i think it will depend on how well you use it. thanks for the video, i thought i was so wrong using a cam recorder
Yeah, it’s like one of those Mac versus PC things. How dare you use a camcorder for making video! You can use whatever you have and make videos - camcorder, DSLR, phone, whatever. It’s like asking what car you used to get to work today. Lol! 👍
I watched this year's ago and nostalgia brought me back. I have come into situations professionally where I end up needing a 3rd body.. and sure I can rent one and will if the budget allows. But sometimes I land a gig that needs someone pretty short notice with similar requirements. Back when I first watched this I was shooting on a 5DMKII and have since upgraded to an R5 & R6(Soon to be selling and buying R6II) I considered a high end Camcorder as a 3rd and the points you've made here are valid. But from what I've seen, the sensor size is a fatal flaw with these camcorders. Especially when I'm throwing on my primes to get every bit of extra light in low light scenerios.. If I have full control of my lighting it's fine.. but if I'm stuck with low light.. Camcorder just won't do. I may end up just saving up and getting a steady "A" cam for my video projects where my R5 & soon to be R6II will fall into B & C cams. Looking into C70 or RED Komodo which are both compact and reasonably easy to kit out with what I currently own.
@Kevin - Basic Filmmaker I always feel like I have another multi-thousand dollar expense around the corner 😹😹😹 That's either the game we're in or I'm just crazy. Plus I was considering getting hired on with the Local 1 Union in NYC. Freelance is both great and hair pulling.
Very good advice. I did both, having come from a photography background and then to animation where you need permanent power and rail systems etc. To the need for filming that very process made me go out and get a Canon C100 Mk2. That meant I could use all my existing gear and it was all interchangeable. Thanks for the video. Ben
Basic Filmmaker Also they’ve dropped in price massively. I picked one up new £550 less than the usual price. Some dealers split the C100 Mk2 24-105mm f4 combo and sell the body on much cheaper. Worth looking out for. Ben
Basic Filmmaker It shoots 4K but down samples to 1080p. The C200 does 4K but is over twice the price. I think the reason it’s a surprise that it doesn’t shoot 4K is simply that it came out when 4K wasn’t ubiquitous. Due to its features and build quality it’s still in high demand several years later as a lower cost Cine camera, so they still make them. My plan has always been to learn the skills I need to operate a Cine camera properly. Make the best of all the features that come with it and when I have all that then get a C200 or C300 Mk3 or whatever is current in a couple of years time. Ben
First time I wanted to get into recording things I looked into a small camcorder. One of the vixias, now that I want to upgrade I’ve found just the one. Thank you good sir! 👏🤙✌️
I just watched your great video and am now a subscriber. I have been shooting with camcorders since 1986 (Sony CCD-V1) and now own two Canon GX-10 camcorders (along with lots of others I've used aver the years) which I use for my small video business. Thanks for a very informative and professionally-produced video!
Thank you for this video 🙌🏻 my brother and I have been talking about doing a video podcast but cameras are crazy expensive and we’ve been asking ourselves why not a camcorder and nobody has had a good answer ! Lol thank you for the explanation
Ha, ha, ha! Great job, Kevin! This is really what I call expertise and not to mention all the free advice you are giving to all of us, cause we are using the stupid DSLR cameras for the wrong purposes. Thanks, man!
Yeah the camcorder is a great option, few drawback is if you have premium prime lenses that allow you to open up wider than 2.8 that you prefer to use instead of zooms then that is not an option to use on a camcorder. Also if you are also serious about shooting still photography as well then the camcorder falls extremely short in that regard. So for a photography and video hybid in one device the DSLR is better.If video is all you care about and still photography is not really a concern for most people the camcorder is a great option for shooting video.
I myself don't know squat about video, still images are my bag. Often though i have wondered why the YT channels I watch for photos invest so heavily in dslr bodies etc for the video side of things. Cams just seem a much more sensible way to go about it.
It may be cost or whatever. As a photog you get it, it's just that the world of TH-cam has sold the idea of DSLRs as cams for such a very long time, and I hope to at least plant the idea that good camcorders were designed for video, I still shoot with a DSLR, but more and more I'm grabbing this camera for shooting, and becoming exceptionally happy with it.
Thanks so much for a great video on camcorders! Very helpful! I have a budget Sony camcorder now and am looking to upgrade. Weird! Your video only reinforced my research. After looking at mirrorless cameras, this camera, that camera, these lenses, those filters, I started looking at good camcorders. Do you have any other camcorder recommendations in 2022 or do you still recommend the Sony FDRAX700?
Too bad I didn't know this years ago. Learned to shoot on a prosumer Canon XA30 camcorder, got sucked into the DSLR (or mirrorless in my case) black hole. Thousands of dollars later, I have an incredibly complex and difficult to use monster to shoot video, that requires a cage and a giant bag and all kinds of crap to hold it all together. And it takes forever to setup and tear down. And diving 10 layers deep into the menu system to fiddle with the video settings versus photo settings gets old really fast. And on and on. Now, when I want to shoot video, I pull out the camcorder and an external mic and have it up and running in a couple of minutes. And no, I don't need 4K - I saw what you did there :-) Great videos, thanks!
Extremely helpful and informative. Oh and also really funny and entertaining. Subscribed. Looking to help my 15 yr old daughter get going with more serious film making. So this was the perfect primer for cam vs dslr.
Whenever I get asked- What camera should I get for TH-cam, my answer is always the same. A camcorder. :) When they ask why- The learning curve on a camcorder is tiny, compared a to ILC camera.
I was waiting for somebody to do this video. Always been shooting on camcorders. Got the Panasonic HC-VX870 4K. It was the first camera I used for TH-cam. It's a great camera but its pretty standard. So I got the HC-X1 that is a beast with all the functions you need including dual XLR inputs ND filters and great stabilization. And the final camera that I use is the Gopro 7 black. To these cameras I got a Zoom H6 and a Rode NTG4+, the RodeLink wireless mic and a Videomic Pro. That camcorder of yours looks sweet. It would probably replace both of my Panasonics. Have an awesome Sunday, Andreas 🇸🇪
I just bought a Sony AX700 camcorder, thanks to your video!!! ... All my friends, who are experts in the field of photography, advised me to buy a Panasonic GH5 or similar... and spend a few thousand dollars more on lenses and equipment. I'm glad I didn't listen to them, this camcorder is amazing!!!
I’ve shot DSLR video for two years. I kept my best DSLR (meaning it’s not available for stills) in a cage with a monitor and shotgun mic mounted up, always ready to fly (I cover a lot of breaking news). I have poor, uncorrectable, vision. Manual focus has always been a struggle for me but auto focus on a DSLR for video sucks. After trying to use the DSLR to live stream an event and finding that a struggle. Then losing some good shots at a protest because of my focus issues. And wanting to upgrade to 4K. This week I sprung for a Panasonic UX180. Everything you say here is correct. However, I have a big collection of vintage lens. Some of the DSLR glass is gorgeous for video. I’m going to miss having that creative option. All of the tutorial videos on YT are aimed at being “cinematic” with a DSLR. I wish I could find more creative inspiration for a more modern web video documentary approach. I’d like to develop my style in that direction.
Hey there. Yes, the use of those vintage lenses is out unless you have a camcorder with interchangeable lenses and adapters. I eventually went to a Canon XF 400 for nothing more than it was familiar and I liked the features. And yep. "be cinematic" is the swan song of many a creator. That's cool. But no one really expects a "cinematic" documentary and when people attempt it it usually looks unreal.
@@BasicFilmmaker Um, I think the old lenses can impart some realism. I shot this entire coverage with a single 55mm prime my brother first bought in the 1960s. My new challenge is to find new ways to be creative with a different set of tools. th-cam.com/video/WKAGG7xmRBs/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the response BTW. I think the challenge for those of us who want to develop a style that isn't trying for the "film look" is what to call it. Barry Green, writing about my Panasonic camera, called it the "live video" look. I don't know that the phrase has caught on. Once a style can be named, content can be created that can be found and marketed under that name. It's real easy to search for "cinematic" or "film look" but search phrase will uncover its opposite. There's also a dearth of videos, as far as I can tell, on shooting news video. I'm not a beginner, which is most of what's out there in that category. I'm looking for ideas and inspirations and challenges.
Great Review!! You are the only one whose has had the guts to mention this option. Even the camera companies don't really advertise this option!! They start with something like the C100/200, FS5, EVA1 which cost north of 5k (closer to 10k to 15k) and require a Phd in Video Production to operate, plus a $5k stabilizing rig that makes you look like a super geek on steroids about ready to take over the planet. I never realized how powerful these machines are. The ONLY thing you didn't state was the SENSOR SIZE. Which I presume you really don't care about in this case. Who cares? Someone who wants to shoot in a closet at midnight maybe. And camera reviewers who have to say something regardless of whether or not it matters. Kudos to you and thanks very much!!!
Yeah, that is my go-to camera (with a 1.7/20 mm prime lens). I love the 4K, enabling me to punch in and out and edit out mistakes, plus not having to worry about the camera turning itself off after 20 or 30 minutes, if I go long, or chopping the file into several pieces. But it is not that great with autofocus, and I have been thinking about investing in a quality camcorder for run and gun situations. The Sony you spoke of sounds wonderful.
Thanks. Yeah, it's a nice camera. But as I said, now that you know what is what, do the research. Nothing sucks more than pitching some coin into a new camera, and finding out it doesn't do something you wanted it to do. :)
My research tells me the camcorder equivalent is more expensive than dslr for my needs. But that will vary ofcourse, depending on application. The comparison in this video isn't the most accurate. Comparing lenses without taking into account sensor size doesn't help anyone. I'm sure the zeiss suits some needs and that it may or may not be better than other camcorders in the price range. Are you saying the camcorder is comparable to the 24-105/4? That's pretty good! I have used that lens for video and I would be happy with those result in many cases. But I wouldn't be satisfied completely. I would still need another lens, or in this case an additional dslr camera.
I think the Zeiss lens is better than the 24-105 I have, and yes, sensor size does matter. For what I paid for my frame 5D and all the goodies I need, I could certainly get a full frame camcorder for much less. Not pushing camcorders nor DSLRs. Just think everyone should really do their research before plopping down a lot of money and realizing how much more money they have to spend. There are also option for camcorders with interchangable lenses, but then you need to buy a bunch of lenses. So many choices! :)
such a great video... i just shot a short film that's getting into several festivals with a panasonic camcorder (which was about 2700$) but it has a GREAT lens from Leica, with all the great overall control over audio and video i shot this shortfilm in 3 days...incredibly fast for it's length (18 min)... I knew a D.P who told me that would be a bad experience...but man, having had 5 years of only DSLR's I'm so glad of having the kind of control and safety this camera gives you...plus all the things you mentioned...The only backlash is the size of the sensor (1 inch)...but that was very bearable since I had good lighting and space to shoot...the shots turned out very nice ! Keep up with the great content ! Your videos are amazing, plus you're someone who holds the attention of the viewer, so we don't get lost and stop learning ;)
@@BasicFilmmaker the short is still not on public domain since it`s still in festivals circuit...you can watch the trailer if you like here: th-cam.com/video/jbtTDSCgcZY/w-d-xo.html Cheers!
I want to use it for wedding shoot. How many hours can the battery shoot video? How is the low light performance? Is it used for evening wedding video shooting?
*I don't care what camera you use, so let's not do the [insert camera name] sucks thing. I do think you should do your research, and knowing what these video machines can do should be a part of it. Cheers!*
Oh, this is the internet. Surely no one would do the (insert camera name) sucks thing. Not here. Nope. 🙄
@@GeneWaddle LOL Gene! :)
4k60?
I've been looking at a Canon camcorder for a B camera actually. My EOS M with manual focus lenses is great for most of what I do but a good camcorder for events and Broll would be great.
I'm an Americorps VISTA so cheap is a must.
If 1080, you can get REALLY cheap now.
More new film makers should watch this video. It's a conversation I've had countless times. I'm a senior broadcast infrastructure engineer and have run my own production companies. I have 20 years of experience working from concept through to broadcast and completely agree with everything you've said. DSLR's are superb, but Video Cameras/Camcorders are built exclusively with Video and Audio in mind. Great channel, great advice and superbly articulated.
Thanks so much!
I just love the camcorder for it's ergonomy, a dslr is painful to use for a long time and you mostly need both hands but with a camcorder you can go one arm easily. And I use it all the time because it's so convenient.
OMG!! Such a brilliant video - short, to the point and touched on all the main features! Amazing.
BTW - I shoot professionally, and own TWO of these exact same amazing camera.
Years of experience packed in to 12 minutes! Great job!
Thanks Matt!!
I’ve been filming at trade shows in Vegas for a decade. I’ve used a lot. Cell Phone, GoPro, cheap camcorder, DSLR with 3 lenses mic and light on a shoulder rig….I’m a run and gun interviewer so I recently purchased a Sony FDR AX 53 because of its gimbal lens with zoom, big battery for 2 hours of flawless recording with no overheating like my GoPro hero 10 did after 29 minutes indoors. 5 minutes till overheating in the sun.
I also love the headphone jack and the ability to buy extra huge batteries and how fast batteries swap out.
Camcorders are old tech but they are still better for some of us who need zoom, big batteries and 2 hour run times and 5 second setup to record.
Thanks for the video bro
Agreed! And thanks! :)
I just want to say thank you, I really appreciate everything you says. Respect
Great approach to the topic! Watched several reviews on this awesome camera and this is really concise and precise spot on! Yes why buying all that DSLR crap spending more and more of sour earned money. That's exactly what the industry wants you to do. But once you purchased one of these no more headaches about which lens you should consider to buy next, how can I get around recording limits, bad audio etc. Just get this thing and you are good for a very long time without spending riches on equipment time and time again. Keep it up!
So I have a couple mirrorless Canons R5 & R6 plus a solid set of RF L lenses.
I wanted a decent all in one cam that I could even improve upon with certain things.
I picked up a Sony AX700 which is a pretty damn solid Camcorder.
And if I really want XLR inputs.. they have an attachment which would give me that.
It has internal nd's..
Oh wait.. You're using the AX700 haha
This is an older video but the AX700 is still a great camera if you get it for a good price, which I did.. Open Box $999
I commented previously about the sensor size being a fatal flaw & decided it was still worth buying.
I just set it up and am loving the easy workflow this will give me.
Wow . . .I wish I'd seen this video years ago! I went from camcorders to SLR's then to mirrorless cameras and FINALLY back to camcorders - for the reasons you outlined. At least I got there in the end.
Yeah I use them all. I love the DSLR that’s mounted and is stationary in my studio but for anything where I need movement or live streaming or anything else always grab my camcorders.
Awesome video. A few years ago I volunteered as a 2nd shooter for a video at my church alongside a retired wedding videographer. I showed up with my trusty Canon 70D dslr. He chuckled and said, “Nice camera. If you’re serious about video, one day you’ll want to buy a real video camera.” I remember at the time thinking he was just an old dude who wasn’t with the times. After everything I’ve learned and experienced since then, I realized he was right!
Totally. I use both as they are different tools for different purposes.
typical camcorder user is an old 50+ man that never bothered to learn dslr. I'm 52 and no way I would consider using a camcorder when I shoot weddings.
One of the best videos I've seen on youtube, great info, excellent delivery, laughed out loud a few times
Wow! Thanks so much Owen! :)
Thank you sir, Kevin, for such an energetic presentation.
You are very welcome!
The FDR AX-700 is an amazing camera. The only thing I wish it did is 4K 60fps. Thats it. 1080 60 fps looks amazing on this unit.
I came back and re-watched this. You've got really good energy/delivery in front of the camera. Nice job.
I bought my AX-700 used in Nov 2018? from a guy that needed cash to help fund some kitchen renos his wife was making him....( suggested he look into ) do, and since he had other cameras, the 700 was the one he sold. I got a couple of chargers and extra batteries and the padded bag for $1200 Canadian back when these were selling for over $2000 in stores up here. I just checked on Amazon and they have then for 2,398.00 Canadian. So, not much of a price drop. The video quality still holds up against other units from what I've seen on TH-cam. I'm not a pro video guy, I do audio recording as my main source of income, so this camera, for me, is like hunting canaries with a shot gun. Far more power than I need and lots of time to outgrow its capabilities as I learn to use it properly.
Videos like yours remind us of the awesome power this camera brings to the table. Thanks again for that. Have a good day. Regards, Alex.
The recording limit majorly sucks on cameras. One big reason to choose a camcorder.
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Wow, I'm impressed, i just bought that camera and your review calmed my soul regarding the dilemma between using my sony a7iii and the fdr ax700. Thank you very much! Good, good job.
Glad I could help!
Yes Kevin, yours is just the info I was seeking. Thanks and Happy Xmas from Vancouver!
This video is AWESOME!!! You're cracking me up LOL
Getting my AX700 in a few days, I did my research and thought I wanted an A6400 but like you said, all the lenses and accessories to kit it out would be pushing the $3000 range, or $1500 for the AX700 and its just ready to go.
So what do you think about the AX700 now that you got it?
@@juanedangerously I absolutely love it.
Thank you for confirming my decision to buy a camcorder after many hours researching what to buy to make videos. Bought a Sony AX55P, so-called prosumer with fabulous 1080, 4K slow mo etc. Use a preamp with XLR for off-camera microphone. Once again thank you very much for your excellent videos.
Thanks Howell!
I think a good camcorder is the answer for me then. Can a camcorder do hi def slow motion without editing? I'm looking for a solution with little post production other than adding my separate audio track.
Finally someone is suggesting using a video camera or camcorder to do video. What a novel idea. If still photography is not a priority or if you're not a photographer, it seems like the logical choice. I got the Canon x f 200 in 2014 and haven't regretted the investment. Hooking up professional xlr cables makes audio so easy. Of course lugging it around is getting old as I get older, so I am looking for new options. This video was helpful, thanks.
Thanks Sigrid. The xf200 is a nice one. The was initially surprised when I pulled this one out of the box, and it was small and light, and I thought, "Oh-oh, big mistake." It wasn't.
You are awesome man .. very neat and informative tutorial and I liked it very much. You are absolutely right. I personally think that a DSLR should only be used for photos..yes.. photography.. thats what they're actually supposed to be used for.. and for filming ... yup .. you guessed it.
I love how optical stabilization works on camcorders .. it actually comforts the eyes of the viewers (at least me)!
Thank you very much for sharing this... I enjoyed and appreciated all of it.
I appreciate that! Thank you!
"...you have to shoot something right the f now..." awesome! Never had that happen. Ever.
You, sir, are killing me. I just found your channel today and now I am binge watching you like there is no tomorrow. Keep up the great work.
Thanks William!
You are correct. Markus Rothkranz said the exact same thing.
This is one of the first commentaries I've seen that says exactly what I've been saying when I consult with churches on video equipment. We went with a set of vid cams for our work and every time I see someone struggling with their mass-o-equipment based on an SLR, I decide again that we've made the right decision. Our decision was also based on the fact that a lot of SLRs are noisy and vibrate when you adjust the zoom.
It all comes down to me to whether you're buying equipment that's designed to take stills and invest hugely to get it to do passable video or buying equipment that's designed to record video and occasionally "snap" a still on it.
Totally. There are advantages to DSLRs, but in this day and age, you can get better by getting a cam that already has all the goodies.
Hahaha I like the way you persuade audience, great video - I am going to buy Camcorder but can you also suggest which brand and model is the best money for value.
An excellent sales pitch for Sony AX700.
I was planning to get it anyway.
Lots of choices in 2022. Whatever you decide on, emjoy!
Wow.. this is amazing fact.. it really blowing my mind.. thanks.. this is really awesome video..
Most welcome 😊
I'm looking at the Fujifilm X-T4 system, about $2‚500 basic, but after seeing this "wow" my mind is blown. I didn't realize all these DSLR type features were available in a single camcorder. Thanks for the enlightenment.
You’ve just open a different world for me to consider. Thanks. You killed it. Handycam it is. 👍👍👍👍. SUBSCRIBED.
That was fantastic. Thx for the black and white narrative. How refreshing. Still laughing.
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If you're going the DSLR-like route, the Panasonic G7 is by far the best choice. $500 gets you a brand new body and kit lens, plus the lenses you'll need to round everything out are relatively cheap, small, and light. However, a beginner should probably just get a Panasonic VX870 camcorder instead: $550-$750 (sales and open box prices make it vary drastically) gets you a real camcorder with 4K, clean (if you want) HDMI out, and some degree of manual control. Throw in a Zoom H4n which is the best investment you'll ever make and you have a great camera kit for under $1,000. No, the camcorder won't look quite as nice as a DSLR-style camera because of the smaller sensor, but the advantages of camcorders more than make up for it. You can't take a good on-the-spot shot with a DSLR, but a camcorder is the perfect tool for it.
You didn't mention another problem with mics attached to the camera: many under-$1000 cameras use low-bitrate AAC compressed audio rather than uncompressed LPCM or even just high-bitrate AAC audio; it's also limited to 48 kHz 16-bit whereas a Zoom H4n can record 96 kHz at 24-bit depth which makes a BIG difference when you start trying to clean up that nasty room with notch filters, EQs, and noise reduction.
That Sony camcorder is quite nice, but it's also generally very expensive compared to the Panasonic offerings.Sony has better stabilization but Sony camcorders tend to restrict manual settings to one setting only. I tested this out in a store once and sure enough, you cannot set shutter speed AND aperture at the same time on a premium $1,700 Sony FDR-AX100 camcorder! That manual control restriction really soured me on the Sony camcorders. On the flip side, the Panasonic I'm pushing doesn't have a histogram; it's high-end consumer, not prosumer, so there are some things I miss. If I had to pick one camera only, the Panasonic G7 is the one I'd keep, but the VX870 camcorder has f/1.8 at full wide and high-quality glass.
As always, it's just one man's opinion, so take everything in this comment with a big Leica-flavored grain of salt.
Hey Jody! Good points. I didn't have a problem setting this camera's ISO, IRIS, and etc., individually. It's fiddly, and that's what I thought at first, but the camera drops you in auto for these, and once you click in the setting and change it, it understands you wanted to manually set it. I could have gone into the audio options on this, and much, much more, but it was getting way too long, which is why a lot of that is missing in here. Maybe I'll just make a video sometime only about this camera. Panasonic also makes really great stuff and I love the f/1.8.
I've done over a 100 YT videos using inexpensive (now!) Canon R800 and R400 camcorders. The R800 is less than $250 new and does a great job with the stationary, generally well lit, outdoor pistol shooting videos I produce. I can set them up, manual focus, and let them run for 2 hours while I concentrate on shooting a pistol well instead of worrying about the video. Batteries last well over 2 hours continuous. Even these inexpensive models have HDMI out, external mic input when needed, and enough manual control for most purposes. The files aren't large but are good enough resolution for my purposes. Yes, I have 4k cameras, but I use them for grandkids and sports and other more challenging situations where I can shoot short clips and be behind the camera. I use a Tascam DR-10L audio recorder with good results and sync everything in post. Not too difficult to do with pistol shots as sound markers.
Nice. Old school, and works!
You were on fire with this one! I can’t help laughing your humour is so dry I really wonder if you’re even aware of it. I think this is one of your best. Keep up the helpful work thanks
Thanks Andy. Yeah, I come from a family with dry Brit humor, and yeah, a lot of times I don't even know I'm doing it.
@@BasicFilmmaker Cheers you are really helping me with my property channel.
Awesome! That makes me happy to hear that.
11:34 lol
I gotta say this is a VERY helpful presentation to alot if not most filmmakers starting out. Fantastic reality check and a great budget friendly solution. Especially during this holiday season! Very timely during this Thanksgiving week👍🎬
Thanks! Yes, I was surprised when I actually took a look.
Love my Sony camcorders, even did a video about them. Why would someone not consider a camcorder since it’s made primarily for VIDEO. Another great video
Thanks man!
Simple, tiny sensors, shitty colors, (unless you're talking about canon's xf705), and ridiculously expensive for what you're getting.
YEP - Camcorders all day every day & three times on Sunday. I love my Sony FDR-AX53 and will be upgrading to the Sony PXW-Z90 around July this year. The in-built stabiliser in the AX53 is incredible. You even could say, it's the boss . . . (groan).
@@imabigsandwich1292 lol!!! There are camcorders dirt cheap AND there are camcorders with full frame sensors and interchangeable lenses. For me the sweet spot Is a 1" sensor like the Panasonic or Sony from last generation. The colors are spot on, and you can film for hours without overheating or time limits. The electronics, from the Mic preamps to the buttons switches are top notch and the price Is equivalent with same sensor sized mirrorless photo camera, but the camcorder offers a lot More.
@@amermeleitorAny camcorders below 500$ have worse video quality then a 140$ iphone 6 with promovie, and for the same price you can get a 5d mark 2 to shoot 3k raw video or a bmpcc to shoot incredibly filmic raw video as well. And for more high end camcorders like the ax100, the rx10 mark 2 gives you a lot more like 960fps slow motion with the same sensor, and half the price even on the used market. Or the newer camcorders that shoots 10bit codecs like the xf705, for the same price you can get 2 a7s3, or a a7s3 with a ton of excellent lenses, while having 10bit 4k120, dual native iso of 640 and 16000, fullframe sensor, 15+ stops of dynamic range, and a ton more. These camcorders makes sense for run and gun news crews that aim to keep their footprint low. But if you are doing anything oher then that. It's very hard to justify the purchase of a camcorder.
This was a great video!
Some people are too young to remember camcorders recording to VHS (my first camcorder, a huge, shoulder-mounted Panasonic), or VHS-C, or 8mm, or Hi-8... ugh.... and, back then, the cost of a top-tier camcorder, or even a second-tier camcorder, was about the same as a very good modern DV camcorder, such as in the video above (*I'll let you do the math to figure out how much $1800 was worth back in 1980...) We have it so good these days, and have so many more great, and affordable, choices for A/V gear... and I'm so glad that DSLR's didn't kill camcorders...
Me too. The more I use and play with this thing, the more I am amazed...it's becoming my "go outside" choice.
Finally a video that does not discredit the camcorder. Also good to know that camcorders are created for video which is what people are on youtube for, Video.
I totally agree. I didn't have a choice with the camera I was given where I work, but it's a camcorder and I love it (DVX-200)! I think if someone wants to be an all round shooter and have flexibility in what jobs they can take, camcorders are the best option (esp for one man bands). I can do live events, interviews, Broll, and whatever else. I never have to think about what lens to take. I just make sure I got my mics, lights, and camera, and I'm usually good to go. Another benefit is that if I shoot 4K, I can use one card slot for the 4K and the second for my 1080 proxy. This makes my post workflow much easier. Anyways, you did a great job explaining here and have really enjoyed your videos.
Thanks Mark. The deeper I look into this thing, like the proxies for 4K, the more I am impressed. It's becoming my grab and go camera.
I feel encouraged
to do my best in drawing and animating.
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Brilliant video. I had never heard of you and found this by accident. I am a new subscriber.
Great video thanks very much excellent delivery
Very welcome!
Really appreciate you running through all this. Some might just say "hey, try a camcorder", you have done all the homework for us, numbers as well. I'm slowly moving into event videography, needing to upgrade from a pair of canon sl2s and looking at all these mirrorless cameras and accessories when in reality, I'm trying to find a camcorder.
I settled on the Canon XF 400, about 3 months ago. I absolutely love it! 👍
I think the GH5 Lumix is a hybrid. It's Micro Four Thirds which means a cheaper lens, a long battery and IBIS. The biggest issue with Sony AX700 is the 1 inch sensor and low light.
A friend of mine got this camera because it was recommended to him. I like it a lot! My friends and I shoot with DSLRs and some FS5/FS7 cameras, and that camera would really nicely replace a DSLR.
It works well. It isn't PERFECT, but hell, I don't know any camera that is. I like having both...it's getting to the point where I leave my DSLR stationary in the studio for shooting episodes, and everything else, I just gran and go with the camera.
You're making me love camcorders
Wasn’t really ready for your strange energy but I think I like it. 👍🏽
Fantastic advice on the camcorder option, I completely agree and switched to an inexpensive Sony camcorder (HDR-PJ410) for all my video recording last year. With all manual settings options, I get to tweak it almost like a DSLR, at a fraction of the cost, and I don't have to deal with huge files (I'm not fan of 4K or 1080p for TH-cam, blow me). Plus the remote app on private wifi is perfect for me for one man band situation. The only downside is there's no audio in, so I am forced into recording audio externally, then syncing in post, which takes a bit more time than I would like. But I love my camcorder setup for all my TH-cam videos.
LMAO! Best quote of 2018 - "I'm not fan of 4K or 1080p for TH-cam, blow me." LOL! :)
@@BasicFilmmaker And I was right about 4K for TH-cam. Tony Northrup explains why - th-cam.com/video/GdZRDu4-nFg/w-d-xo.html
Best video I've seen in a long while.
Thanks Lars!!
You have Amazing knowledge of camcorders
All my doubts gots cleared
Thanks Alot 💜 for Making this video
Absolutely great. Thank you. Off to get my camcorder.
Thank you so much for that video! Sincerely, helps my decision!
You're very welcome!
Kevin = Yoda of Filmmaking
Uh-oh. You set my bar way too high. :)
I like his style...giving it as it is. Anyway i was to buy a dslr but now he has changed my mind.
Nice. What you going after?
@@BasicFilmmaker i'm going after a panasonic hc pv100 or canon ax11. I'm trying to figure out between the two...music videos is my primary focus.
This is so true,have several camcorders and dslr, The camcorder always win hands up
Wow! Just came across your channel & videos. Am just starting out with my own TH-cam idea and in less than an hour you have given me so much great info - thanks for your efforts! Much appreciated. Cheers.
Tim Orr THank you! Much appreciated!
Great video! I moved from a Canon 80D to a Sony AX53 camcorder this year and it’s been amazing. The BOSS floating lens is the best stabilization I’ve ever used and I don’t need a gimbal anymore! Love it!
What about the colors and resolution of the footage? Are they good or worse as the 80D?
Ramiro Jiménez I don't know about the comparison, but I do know you can dial just about everything in on thee cameras. I'm going to take some time to explore this, as I love the Canon color system.
@@BasicFilmmaker thank you, I appreciate if you can make a video on that topic.
I have always been a fan of camcorders. Just purchase an Canon XA11 and an XA40. My very first pro camcorder I purchase was the Canon XHA1s. Then DSLR came a long, just flooded the market but I refused to purchase a DSLR, because the of accessories, are expensive. The camcorders I purchase are great and footage come out excellent.
Good choice!
I learn so much from this channel every time I watch the content. Was going to buy a DSLR but now i'm reconsidering.
I use a JVC HM100, and even though it's older, i love that camcorder to the end of the earth
Desena Harper Yep. Do the research...once you figure out all the terminology and what's hype and B.S., it becomes clear what you will need. Everyone's needs are different so get what works for you. Or, make sure you really need a new camera. I can be surprising to find out that you haven't really tapped out all the things the existing camera can do.
Claire Stancampiano JVC HM100 is still a really nice camera.
While I like a lot of things about camcorders, here's a few things that sucked about them for me when I was choosing what to buy:
1. Mediocre color. For some reason (probably has sth to do with smaller sensors) most options that I looked at had mediocre color. Now, my budget was limited to just $1000, so most 1-inch camcorders were out of my range, but still, you can get a decently priced DSLR or mirrorless and have amazing colors or you can get a similarly priced camcorder and the colors may be all grey and mushy.
2. Framerates. For some reason, most Panasonic camcorders (which are the better ones in the budget range where Sonys often suck) were limited to shooting at 50p/60p at only 28mbit bitrate. I mostly shoot at 25p/30p, so this was a no go for me. Also most, if not all, camcorders don't let you switch regions (pal/ntsc), and you can never get 24p in Europe (where the US get 30p and sometimes 24p, Europe always gets just 25p). This is yet another PITA.
3. Low resolution screens and lack of manual control (or the gimmicky-ness of it). Most camcorders in my price range either had mediocre screens at 460k pixels that weren't made for critical focus, or had gimmicky touch screen controls. Again, at about $500 you can get a nice dslr with some nice vintage glass (or the nifty fifty) and all the controls are there, with the dials and big focus rings.
4. No mic jack on many budget models and no headphone jack unless you go over $1k (at least here in Europe). Now most DSLRs also don't have headphone jacks, but almost all of them have mic jacks these days, and most newer ones have nice preamps too. Also if you are considering a Canon camcorder, please note that they don't supply power over 3.5mm mic jack which means that most lavaliers won't work. God knows why they would do that, considering that their DSLRs are void of this annoying issue.
To sum up, if we don't go to the extremes (like here with $2-3k dslr and probably around $2k worth of a camcorder), you can find good options with both DSLRs and camcorders.
Oh, and I was actually impressed at how well one of my previously owned camcorders, Canon m52, handled low light: it actually surpassed my old Canon 600d by a mile in terms of how clean and nice the picture looked indoors.
Yep. Do the research before droping the coin. I was surprised when I looked at this as 1.) Color was great, 2.) Framerates up to 120 at 100mps with full PAL support, 3.) Beautiful screen and manual control, 4.) Mic jack, headphone jack. Haven't tested lapel on this, which is what I'll do.
@@BasicFilmmaker It is a nice camera, I agree. I remember looking at Ax100 at the time, but it was out of my price range and, for a camcorder, had slow AF as it was one of the first consumer 1-inch 4k camcorders, i.e. bleeding edge. I ended up getting a Panasonic G85, which for exactly $1k had a nice and crisp 5x zoom kit lens, built-in sensor IS which can be coupled with lens stabilization for extra effect, good pre-amps (for my Rode Videomic and cheap lavalier), weather resistance, nice screen/viewinder/fully functional hdmi out (albeit it's a ridiculous microHDMI port), and also a surpsrisingly good battery. It doesn't have a headphone jack though (can be fixed with an hdmi to 3.5mm adapter). Still, if the prices on these 1-inch camcorders drop in the coming years, I may get myself one to scratch that itch from my good old Sony HC-62, which was so comfortable to handle and had great features (and IS) for a budget camcorder in the miniDV days :)
For sure. And let's face it, most haven't begun to use what they have to it's fullest extent, me included, so "needing" a new camera is kind of a way to get new cool stuff. :)
@@BasicFilmmaker True that! :)
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Incredibly eye opening video!!!!!!! Thank you so very much!!!!!!!
You are so welcome!
I am right with you on this. I had an awesome Sony a7s II. Too much work for and missed focus. I now have an Canon XF400. Awesome.
Nice! My XF400 arrived last week and I LOVE it. Creating a course for that camera soon, as I can see quite a few people new to this would get seriously lost. :)
Thanks for this!
So now it's clear for me.
For videos (extensive or in general) and possibly filmshooting Buy a camcorder
For pictures get a camera dslr, etc
That is one way of thinking about it. Really, it's all about what do you need for you. No one can answer that.
You know, this is a good point. I like taking pictures too, which is where a DSLR works great, as I don't have to buy both. But with all the trouble my DSLR has given me when it comes to video, I can't help but wonder now if it would just be better to have a camcorder for a huge project I want to work on.
I think so. I had a project I needed to do, and after looking again, I realized this would save me so much time and trouble, which is why I bought it. I wasn't disappointed once I played with it and got to know it's limitations. There are a lot cheaper ones, but I didn't want another "problem child."
Awesome presentation! I plan to buy this camcorder to add to my DSLR. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Glad to hear a positive clip about camcorders, I film with Sony handycam corder all the time, when I will upgrade is in a better camcorder, the DSLR is not for me
Great. Use what you have. My latest toy is a Canon XF 400. Love it. 👍
Amazing Eye-Opening Video. CamCorders have come along way... Thank you for sharing.
Thanks TechSavvyDaddy. Yeah, I was quite surprised.
The only difference is with the Camcorder you need to spend the $1,985. full up front, where as the DSLR you can spend $600 to start off, then $300 more a month later then $250 more 2 months later then $600 more 2 months later and so forth (voice of experience, this is what I did) but if you got the coin, definitely Camcorder is the way to go.
For sure. And in 2, 5, 10 years, we'll be dropping more coin on something.. LOL!
i started vlogging and i'm using sony handycam PJ410, it works well with 1080p, wide angle lens, microphone, autofocus and more.... i thought dslr is the perfect cam for vlogging i think it will depend on how well you use it. thanks for the video, i thought i was so wrong using a cam recorder
Yeah, it’s like one of those Mac versus PC things. How dare you use a camcorder for making video! You can use whatever you have and make videos - camcorder, DSLR, phone, whatever. It’s like asking what car you used to get to work today. Lol! 👍
I watched this year's ago and nostalgia brought me back.
I have come into situations professionally where I end up needing a 3rd body.. and sure I can rent one and will if the budget allows. But sometimes I land a gig that needs someone pretty short notice with similar requirements.
Back when I first watched this I was shooting on a 5DMKII and have since upgraded to an R5 & R6(Soon to be selling and buying R6II)
I considered a high end Camcorder as a 3rd and the points you've made here are valid. But from what I've seen, the sensor size is a fatal flaw with these camcorders. Especially when I'm throwing on my primes to get every bit of extra light in low light scenerios..
If I have full control of my lighting it's fine.. but if I'm stuck with low light.. Camcorder just won't do.
I may end up just saving up and getting a steady "A" cam for my video projects where my R5 & soon to be R6II will fall into B & C cams.
Looking into C70 or RED Komodo which are both compact and reasonably easy to kit out with what I currently own.
Good plan. Thanks!
@Kevin - Basic Filmmaker I always feel like I have another multi-thousand dollar expense around the corner 😹😹😹
That's either the game we're in or I'm just crazy. Plus I was considering getting hired on with the Local 1 Union in NYC. Freelance is both great and hair pulling.
Very good advice. I did both, having come from a photography background and then to animation where you need permanent power and rail systems etc. To the need for filming that very process made me go out and get a Canon C100 Mk2. That meant I could use all my existing gear and it was all interchangeable. Thanks for the video. Ben
C100 Mark II is definitely something I am considering, and is a beautiful camera. Plus, it would work with all my existing stuff as you mentioned.
Basic Filmmaker Also they’ve dropped in price massively. I picked one up new £550 less than the usual price. Some dealers split the C100 Mk2 24-105mm f4 combo and sell the body on much cheaper. Worth looking out for. Ben
Yep. I wouldn't need new lenses. This is NOT 4K? I thought there was an upgrade for this?
Basic Filmmaker It shoots 4K but down samples to 1080p. The C200 does 4K but is over twice the price. I think the reason it’s a surprise that it doesn’t shoot 4K is simply that it came out when 4K wasn’t ubiquitous. Due to its features and build quality it’s still in high demand several years later as a lower cost Cine camera, so they still make them.
My plan has always been to learn the skills I need to operate a Cine camera properly. Make the best of all the features that come with it and when I have all that then get a C200 or C300 Mk3 or whatever is current in a couple of years time. Ben
Good plan. And in a couple of years, they'll be a heck of a lot cheaper. But then 8k will be all the rage. LOL!
The best video ever :) Thank You, man! You are saving us money! Lots of Money
Ha! That's great! Didn't think about it that way, but cool!
First time I wanted to get into recording things I looked into a small camcorder. One of the vixias, now that I want to upgrade I’ve found just the one. Thank you good sir! 👏🤙✌️
Love my AX700. Although for a monitor I ended up with a 7" one (I can walk and monitor easier) with a hood and also a rode mic. next to it.
Nice!
I just watched your great video and am now a subscriber. I have been shooting with camcorders since 1986 (Sony CCD-V1) and now own two Canon GX-10 camcorders (along with lots of others I've used aver the years) which I use for my small video business. Thanks for a very informative and professionally-produced video!
Very Welcome Craig!
Thank you for this video 🙌🏻 my brother and I have been talking about doing a video podcast but cameras are crazy expensive and we’ve been asking ourselves why not a camcorder and nobody has had a good answer ! Lol thank you for the explanation
Awesome Michael!
Ha, ha, ha! Great job, Kevin! This is really what I call expertise and not to mention all the free advice you are giving to all of us, cause we are using the stupid DSLR cameras for the wrong purposes. Thanks, man!
you are so right! Too many add ons to use dslr for normal everyday video production. plus you didn't even get into all the post headaches.
As I said, I use DLSRs all over the place. But wow, was I surprised when I took a new look at camcorders.
@@BasicFilmmaker The DSLRs do make pretty pictures, but I found that the hassle for what most of my run and gun stuff is just not worth it.
True that Dave Taylor Motion Pictures.
Yeah the camcorder is a great option, few drawback is if you have premium prime lenses that allow you to open up wider than 2.8 that you prefer to use instead of zooms then that is not an option to use on a camcorder. Also if you are also serious about shooting still photography as well then the camcorder falls extremely short in that regard. So for a photography and video hybid in one device the DSLR is better.If video is all you care about and still photography is not really a concern for most people the camcorder is a great option for shooting video.
True. I use both as they each have their place. :)
I myself don't know squat about video, still images are my bag. Often though i have wondered why the YT channels I watch for photos invest so heavily in dslr bodies etc for the video side of things. Cams just seem a much more sensible way to go about it.
It may be cost or whatever. As a photog you get it, it's just that the world of TH-cam has sold the idea of DSLRs as cams for such a very long time, and I hope to at least plant the idea that good camcorders were designed for video, I still shoot with a DSLR, but more and more I'm grabbing this camera for shooting, and becoming exceptionally happy with it.
One of the most entertaining and informative videos I've watched in ages! Thanks!
Wow, thanks!
Kevin - The Basic Filmmaker only a gentleman of "a certain age"" can present in this way :)
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Thanks so much for a great video on camcorders! Very helpful! I have a budget Sony camcorder now and am looking to upgrade. Weird! Your video only reinforced my research. After looking at mirrorless cameras, this camera, that camera, these lenses, those filters, I started looking at good camcorders. Do you have any other camcorder recommendations in 2022 or do you still recommend the Sony FDRAX700?
Still like it. I also have the canon one I LOVE. geni.us/CanonXF400
Too bad I didn't know this years ago. Learned to shoot on a prosumer Canon XA30 camcorder, got sucked into the DSLR (or mirrorless in my case) black hole. Thousands of dollars later, I have an incredibly complex and difficult to use monster to shoot video, that requires a cage and a giant bag and all kinds of crap to hold it all together. And it takes forever to setup and tear down. And diving 10 layers deep into the menu system to fiddle with the video settings versus photo settings gets old really fast. And on and on.
Now, when I want to shoot video, I pull out the camcorder and an external mic and have it up and running in a couple of minutes. And no, I don't need 4K - I saw what you did there :-)
Great videos, thanks!
Thanks Rex, and ditto that. For my studio I have no problem with my setup. When I want to go somewhere - I'm grabbing the cam.
Extremely helpful and informative. Oh and also really funny and entertaining. Subscribed.
Looking to help my 15 yr old daughter get going with more serious film making. So this was the perfect primer for cam vs dslr.
Whenever I get asked- What camera should I get for TH-cam, my answer is always the same. A camcorder. :)
When they ask why- The learning curve on a camcorder is tiny, compared a to ILC camera.
True that. When I moved from high-end "real" cameras to DSLRs, I was like...WHAT??!! :)
I've been telling my friends about camcorders but they're thick heads and ended up rigging their dslr cameras like Mount Everest.
LOL! Yep!
Make sure you have firmware 1.0.3. With that you can assign a button for one touch manual white balance. Finally!
Nice and thanks for the tip!!
I was waiting for somebody to do this video. Always been shooting on camcorders. Got the Panasonic HC-VX870 4K. It was the first camera I used for TH-cam. It's a great camera but its pretty standard. So I got the HC-X1 that is a beast with all the functions you need including dual XLR inputs ND filters and great stabilization. And the final camera that I use is the Gopro 7 black. To these cameras I got a Zoom H6 and a Rode NTG4+, the RodeLink wireless mic and a Videomic Pro. That camcorder of yours looks sweet. It would probably replace both of my Panasonics. Have an awesome Sunday, Andreas 🇸🇪
Thanks Andreas. Yes, but as we all know, if about 1-2 years, there will be something better, faster, and more enticing to throw our money at. :)
@@BasicFilmmaker Yea, that's the way it is
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I just bought a Sony AX700 camcorder, thanks to your video!!! ... All my friends, who are experts in the field of photography, advised me to buy a Panasonic GH5 or similar... and spend a few thousand dollars more on lenses and equipment. I'm glad I didn't listen to them, this camcorder is amazing!!!
Yeah, if you're mostly into video, it's a great camcorder!
I’ve shot DSLR video for two years. I kept my best DSLR (meaning it’s not available for stills) in a cage with a monitor and shotgun mic mounted up, always ready to fly (I cover a lot of breaking news).
I have poor, uncorrectable, vision. Manual focus has always been a struggle for me but auto focus on a DSLR for video sucks.
After trying to use the DSLR to live stream an event and finding that a struggle. Then losing some good shots at a protest because of my focus issues. And wanting to upgrade to 4K. This week I sprung for a Panasonic UX180.
Everything you say here is correct. However, I have a big collection of vintage lens. Some of the DSLR glass is gorgeous for video. I’m going to miss having that creative option.
All of the tutorial videos on YT are aimed at being “cinematic” with a DSLR. I wish I could find more creative inspiration for a more modern web video documentary approach. I’d like to develop my style in that direction.
Hey there. Yes, the use of those vintage lenses is out unless you have a camcorder with interchangeable lenses and adapters. I eventually went to a Canon XF 400 for nothing more than it was familiar and I liked the features. And yep. "be cinematic" is the swan song of many a creator. That's cool. But no one really expects a "cinematic" documentary and when people attempt it it usually looks unreal.
@@BasicFilmmaker Um, I think the old lenses can impart some realism. I shot this entire coverage with a single 55mm prime my brother first bought in the 1960s.
My new challenge is to find new ways to be creative with a different set of tools.
th-cam.com/video/WKAGG7xmRBs/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the response BTW.
I think the challenge for those of us who want to develop a style that isn't trying for the "film look" is what to call it.
Barry Green, writing about my Panasonic camera, called it the "live video" look. I don't know that the phrase has caught on.
Once a style can be named, content can be created that can be found and marketed under that name.
It's real easy to search for "cinematic" or "film look" but search phrase will uncover its opposite.
There's also a dearth of videos, as far as I can tell, on shooting news video.
I'm not a beginner, which is most of what's out there in that category. I'm looking for ideas and inspirations and challenges.
@@newsbatavian Be interested in what you find on your journey along these lines. Thank you.
Cheers mate.
Cheers!
I loved the sarcastic tone. Spot on info. How would stills look grabbed from 4k footage?
Should look fine. Thanks!
Always love your wise input. Keep up the GREAT vids!
Thank you Aurora!
Wow! Awesome video (and rant)! Great stuff. You always have great stuff to share. Thanks!
Thanks BEER-N-BBQ by Larry!
love this thought. yeah camcoder is much simpler, no need for tuning..
Great Review!! You are the only one whose has had the guts to mention this option. Even the camera companies don't really advertise this option!! They start with something like the C100/200, FS5, EVA1 which cost north of 5k (closer to 10k to 15k) and require a Phd in Video Production to operate, plus a $5k stabilizing rig that makes you look like a super geek on steroids about ready to take over the planet. I never realized how powerful these machines are. The ONLY thing you didn't state was the SENSOR SIZE. Which I presume you really don't care about in this case. Who cares? Someone who wants to shoot in a closet at midnight maybe. And camera reviewers who have to say something regardless of whether or not it matters. Kudos to you and thanks very much!!!
This model I showed has a 1” (1.0-Type) stacked Exmor RS back Illuminated CMOS sensor. And thanks for the Kudos!
I agree - camcorders have unfairly been stigmatized as uncool. There are some situations where they excel above DSLR's. (But I love my Lumix G85).
For sure Dennis. And the Lumix G85 is great. Is that what you shoot your videos with? Such as Intermittent Fasting?
Yeah, that is my go-to camera (with a 1.7/20 mm prime lens). I love the 4K, enabling me to punch in and out and edit out mistakes, plus not having to worry about the camera turning itself off after 20 or 30 minutes, if I go long, or chopping the file into several pieces. But it is not that great with autofocus, and I have been thinking about investing in a quality camcorder for run and gun situations. The Sony you spoke of sounds wonderful.
Thanks. Yeah, it's a nice camera. But as I said, now that you know what is what, do the research. Nothing sucks more than pitching some coin into a new camera, and finding out it doesn't do something you wanted it to do. :)
I bought a AX100 & AX53 second-hand. Great camcorders ! Both for GBP £1250.00 !
Wow. Great price! I’m eyeballing some more camcorders right now. 😁
My research tells me the camcorder equivalent is more expensive than dslr for my needs. But that will vary ofcourse, depending on application.
The comparison in this video isn't the most accurate. Comparing lenses without taking into account sensor size doesn't help anyone. I'm sure the zeiss suits some needs and that it may or may not be better than other camcorders in the price range.
Are you saying the camcorder is comparable to the 24-105/4? That's pretty good! I have used that lens for video and I would be happy with those result in many cases. But I wouldn't be satisfied completely. I would still need another lens, or in this case an additional dslr camera.
I think the Zeiss lens is better than the 24-105 I have, and yes, sensor size does matter. For what I paid for my frame 5D and all the goodies I need, I could certainly get a full frame camcorder for much less. Not pushing camcorders nor DSLRs. Just think everyone should really do their research before plopping down a lot of money and realizing how much more money they have to spend. There are also option for camcorders with interchangable lenses, but then you need to buy a bunch of lenses. So many choices! :)
such a great video...
i just shot a short film that's getting into several festivals with a panasonic camcorder (which was about 2700$) but it has a GREAT lens from Leica, with all the great overall control over audio and video i shot this shortfilm in 3 days...incredibly fast for it's length (18 min)...
I knew a D.P who told me that would be a bad experience...but man, having had 5 years of only DSLR's I'm so glad of having the kind of control and safety this camera gives you...plus all the things you mentioned...The only backlash is the size of the sensor (1 inch)...but that was very bearable since I had good lighting and space to shoot...the shots turned out very nice !
Keep up with the great content ! Your videos are amazing, plus you're someone who holds the attention of the viewer, so we don't get lost and stop learning ;)
Thanks Hugo! Did you post your shortfilm on TH-cam? If so, drop a link here...love to see it!
@@BasicFilmmaker the short is still not on public domain since it`s still in festivals circuit...you can watch the trailer if you like here: th-cam.com/video/jbtTDSCgcZY/w-d-xo.html
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NIce. Opening looks GREAT!
Thank you a lot ;)
You bet Hugo!
I want to use it for wedding shoot. How many hours can the battery shoot video? How is the low light performance? Is it used for evening wedding video shooting?
I think you will be fine, BUT (!!!) I am not a wedding photographer, so I would check the comments on the sales page or with the company. Thanks!