@@ronz303 well... yes and no. The underlying structure is all in 4/4, yes, but all the other patterns are in different and mostly multiple meters that shift relative to that 4/4 structure
@@kampen9868 "time signatures over 4/4" That's called a polymeter. Yes something other than 4/4 is being played but the music is in 4/4. That's why the "odd time" parts go over the bar. The band members themselves have explained that it's in 4/4. The cool thing about it is when you finally train your ear to hear the song in 4/4, the groove feels like 1K tons.
Hehe....speaking of pedals, you should look at their drumcam of "Meshuggah - Bleed - Tomas Haake - Wincent Drumsticks"....and you might wanna sit down when you watch that one ;)
@@jasonsansburn Actually for an overrated reason. Yes - the drum cam is entirely on the drummer, but thats partially the problem - the song should have featured More of his leg work, because it is That which is the most mindblowing part about the drum parts of that song, and Not what he does with his hands by keeping time, _most of the time_ ...
@@19RaxR91 Considering that the drumcam video for "Bleed" was made and paid for by Wincent Drumsticks, I'd hazard a guess that they wanted eyes on their product. 😉
Thanks for the reactions. I love seeing how musicians from different styles and genres check out styles of music they are not used to. Nice one dude. We are all friends across the world in music.
Like they said below, it's 4/4. All the polyrythmics are patterns on top. For really crazy double bass work, check out the drumcam version of their song Bleed!
there's a doc of Meshuggah recording an album and the guitarist is making coffee and says "I always lose the count when making coffee". the fucking irony
Thomas Haake is one of the best drummers in the world. His polyrhythms are seconds to none. I've played double double bass for near 40 years, and I'm still not close to the technical proficiency of this master of the kit. Listen to Bleed by these guys. It took Thomas 6 months to learn it. That's dedication.
Morgan Ågren jamming with Thordendal (Meshuggah guitarist) on his song Sol Niger Within on that learning channel (UR, Utbildningsradion) program about learning to play drums is insane. Not just is it technically complex but it also grooooves
Tomas practiced the song "Bleed" for an entire year just to learn this new way of drumming and get the song into muscle memory. That's dedication right there.
I have seen them live more than a few times and it is even more mindblowing watching a bunch of 50plus dudes kill it. That whole band is on another level. They helped create a whole different sound of metal. The singer used to play guitar and sing these crazy time signatures at the same time. These guys deserve so much more kudos than they get. Great video man. Have you seen Infant Annihilator Cuntcrusher play through? Disgusting sounding, yes. But keep an open mind. That young dudes drum skills are another completely different beast. Check it out. Much respect to you man. 👍👍
I would like to say thank you for liking and understanding the whole sound of the song instead of just focusing the drums and discounting the strings or vocals. Metal and especially extreme metal get passed by a lot of people cause they can't understand the lyrics or the guitars sound like a typewriter but you took into account all the elements and the wall of sound and came out a fan.
He uses Vic Firth Tomas Haake Signature. Please react to "Bleed" for crazy double pedal action, "Electric Red" for heaviness. If you wanna see ton of technique and taste check out "Stengah" Live.
Tomas used to play Vic Firth and had his own signature stick through them. In 2013 he made a change, and is a Wincent Drumstick endorser, and uses the Wincent THS (Tomas Haake Signature) stick.
If you liked Tomas you'd most likely dig Mario Duplantier. Plays in a band called Gojira, maybe check out his drum cam for the song Toxic Garbage Island
Actually you're both right. They use polymeters almost everywhere, so most sections are both in 4/4 and also in some odd meter (usually multiple odd meters, since there are some shorter bars to sync back up with the 4/4 pulse).
Literally every reaction I've seen to Meshuggah's music has the reactor describing the music as "crazy". People who know any Yiddish and are familiar with this band get a chuckle every time it happens.
Love this! Glad I found your channel!! I’m a double kick player. But I’ll be honest, I definitely did not master the single first. I kind of just always wanted to use my left foot as well on the kick drum. I ended up just starting from there and developing with it always there. Now I sit on a single kick set and I suddenly have to throw out all these fast doubles and triples just to mimic my normal style. Lol! Have a great holiday! I’m gonna go ahead and binge your channel.
I gotta say, to see a gospel drummer react to this is epic. Gospel drummers are absolute beast technicians when it comes to musical approach. I hope you apply some of this to your playing and melt faces. Love your perspective btw. I'm sure someone already said this, but if you get the chance, catch them live, it will change your life more than it has now just reacting to it.
Using double pedal is indeed really hard at first, it took me like a year and a half to get past the first speed barrier (which was around 135 bpm for me) now I can consistently do anything around 160-170? But it's still really hard to get past that, despite my 4 years of playing with doubles
He's not only using a double bass pedal - he has two pedals for his left foot, the other one for the high hat. Most of the song is expressed through a single bass pedal.
1987 til today that is a long amount of drum exp, probably best drummer alive today, guitars are 8 strings as well, use base strings on the top strings, to get that deeper tones.
from what ive seen in many videos he has 3 hi-hats, one open and one closed and one he can open and close with his foot as usual. now i cant remeber every song of the top of my head but i belive that they are all made in a 4/4 but they poly the hell out of them with ghost notes and one over and under and sick fills etc. and what their music is depends on who´s listening, for a "metalhead" its just kickass music and for a musician their songs are basiclly masterclasses. (drummers and guitarr players i know have said to me atleast)
Glad you liked them and the drum playthrough, man! :D If you want to see some more unbelievable drumming, check out Archspire - Lucid Collective Somnambulation (drummer: Spencer Prewett)
Im definitely a double bass player, just picked up that china cymbal he uses the Sabian AAX xtreme 19 china. This is definitely one of my favorite bands, that bell Brass Snare is absolutely the best sounding thing I've ever heard. A thick brass snare is high on my list! keep on rocking man, I really appreciate you commenting on the singer, cause yeah hes a beast, and yeah the mix is sweet! FYI this band is so legendary they have an entire subgenre of metal that has formed in their wake called Djent which is an onomatopoeia for the sound the guitar and bass band a "djent". Other notable bands include Animals as Leaders and Periphery. But you definitely know Animals as Leaders drummer Matt Garstka cause he is hottest drummer in modern metal by far!
recommendation for another reaction video: anthoy barone - rise of the fearmonger - drum playthrough. that dude delivers a combination of speed and brute force unmatched by anything i‘ve ever seen before.
Guitar bass and drums sure gotta memorize some crazy complex patterns. They must practice like crazy in order to play this stuff live without missing a beat. Even when it’s staying in the same poly meter for a while, they’re still changing up the pattern constantly. Crazy
Check some out Meshuggahs live from Tokyo performance of the song Pravus. It is the best live performance I have ever seen and the energy that they bring forth is on a different level.
Meshuggah related but not Meshuggah. Fredrik Thordendal (lead guitars in Meshuggah) made a solo album in 1997. There is a TV recorded jam session from that album 4 years after the release with Fredrik and one of the greatest drummers to exist; Morgan Ågren (who also played the drums on that album). Check it out!!!! th-cam.com/video/8IEUcL8ecz8/w-d-xo.html
The trick to double bass is to stay relaxed, if you tense up you lose all dexterity and it goes downhill. Just like your hands, when you get tense you lose control. And a lot of practice, lol.
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"what time signature is that" Should be the name of their next album.
😂 😂 😂 😂 Could say the same about animals as leaders too tbh
4 lol
It's almost all polymetric patterns over 4/4
It's all 4/4 .
@@ronz303 well... yes and no. The underlying structure is all in 4/4, yes, but all the other patterns are in different and mostly multiple meters that shift relative to that 4/4 structure
The most humble reaction ever.... HIGHLY enjoyed your response man🤘
I appreciate that
11:08
Time signature 4/4 believe it or not. These guys are polymeter masters.
"Masters" is an understatement. They're polyrhythm gods.
Dang. I mustve been counting wrong. At first i thought it was 5/4. after seeing this and listening again, i can hear it
Its more like a lot of time signatures over 4/4 you can think it in a lot of ways, its not always 4/4 but you can count it like this
@@kampen9868 This is true. This is where we get into the realm of polymeter. Think of "Kashmir" by Led Zeppelin, but on many steroids lol.
@@kampen9868 "time signatures over 4/4" That's called a polymeter. Yes something other than 4/4 is being played but the music is in 4/4. That's why the "odd time" parts go over the bar. The band members themselves have explained that it's in 4/4. The cool thing about it is when you finally train your ear to hear the song in 4/4, the groove feels like 1K tons.
I love that you chose "Clockwork" to react to. Tomas's work in this song is unparalleled.
Hehe....speaking of pedals, you should look at their drumcam of "Meshuggah - Bleed - Tomas Haake - Wincent Drumsticks"....and you might wanna sit down when you watch that one ;)
Second that. Bleed is usually the first video and for a great reason.
Absolutely!
Yeah if u have't reviewed Bleed it's not a real reaction chanel for drummers ;-)
@@jasonsansburn Actually for an overrated reason. Yes - the drum cam is entirely on the drummer, but thats partially the problem - the song should have featured More of his leg work, because it is That which is the most mindblowing part about the drum parts of that song, and Not what he does with his hands by keeping time, _most of the time_ ...
@@19RaxR91 Considering that the drumcam video for "Bleed" was made and paid for by Wincent Drumsticks, I'd hazard a guess that they wanted eyes on their product. 😉
Out of 70 or so songs, Clockworks is definitely one of their top 5 most challenging...even though they play challenging, polymetric music.
Mouth Licking What You've Bled is up there too.
Can't believe I've been listening to Meshuggah for about 16 years and this is the first time I noticed Tomas Haake has two hi-hats.
Three, he has a closed one on his far right in his live setup as well :)
You must be a gitarist
Most drummers use two hi hats: top one and bottom one, that's how they work innit
Man seeing them live was one of the best experiences I have ever had.
Thanks for the reactions. I love seeing how musicians from different styles and genres check out styles of music they are not used to. Nice one dude. We are all friends across the world in music.
Like they said below, it's 4/4. All the polyrythmics are patterns on top. For really crazy double bass work, check out the drumcam version of their song Bleed!
This is not all in 4/4, but a lot of Bleed is.
there's a doc of Meshuggah recording an album and the guitarist is making coffee and says "I always lose the count when making coffee". the fucking irony
7:38 The heaviest shit on the planet is about to start...
Goosebumps everytime
Thomas Haake is one of the best drummers in the world. His polyrhythms are seconds to none. I've played double double bass for near 40 years, and I'm still not close to the technical proficiency of this master of the kit. Listen to Bleed by these guys. It took Thomas 6 months to learn it. That's dedication.
Chris Turner - 40 Roll. Insane drumming.
Yes, or any of his oceans ate Alaska drum playthrough
Spencer Prewett
@@JulesOfCards meh
nah, that song was basic for his level. He needs to react to High Horse instead. Chris went nuts on that one.
@@duhduh14 Nope. Benzaiten is one of his most complex songs that he's been recorded playing. If you're a drummer you would know that.
Another great Swedish drummer and friend of Haake is Morgan Ågren. He was invited by Frank Zappa. That says it all 😀
Not to mention the membership in the "Devin Townsend's Drummers" support group :)
Morgan Ågren jamming with Thordendal (Meshuggah guitarist) on his song Sol Niger Within on that learning channel (UR, Utbildningsradion) program about learning to play drums is insane. Not just is it technically complex but it also grooooves
Tomas Haake - absolute beast!
haha "i like the meshuggahs" love that
Meshuggah, with all of their endless complexity, is this simple to comprehend: 5 Swedish boys "braangs" the funk.
Brother, great reaction. From an Australian drummer. 🥁🎼
Subbed and liked from this reaction video.
Thanks
Tomas practiced the song "Bleed" for an entire year just to learn this new way of drumming and get the song into muscle memory. That's dedication right there.
6 months*
Wittner actually calibrate their metronomes with Tomas Haake as a reference.
"What time signature is that?"
Tomas: "Yes"
Awesome reaction! loved watching with this with you in 2023
Best band ever
FINALLY SOMEONE DID THIS SONG!!! IT'S MY FAVORITE MESHUGGAH SONG!!!!
I have seen them live more than a few times and it is even more mindblowing watching a bunch of 50plus dudes kill it. That whole band is on another level. They helped create a whole different sound of metal. The singer used to play guitar and sing these crazy time signatures at the same time. These guys deserve so much more kudos than they get. Great video man. Have you seen Infant Annihilator Cuntcrusher play through? Disgusting sounding, yes. But keep an open mind. That young dudes drum skills are another completely different beast. Check it out. Much respect to you man. 👍👍
your camera, lighting, and framing is super good. just wanted to mention what i noticed right away
Check out elliot hoffman of carbomb!!
I would like to say thank you for liking and understanding the whole sound of the song instead of just focusing the drums and discounting the strings or vocals. Metal and especially extreme metal get passed by a lot of people cause they can't understand the lyrics or the guitars sound like a typewriter but you took into account all the elements and the wall of sound and came out a fan.
Superb reaction Kenneth! Time is all F..... Up with these guys 😆
That video is them all recording the song for the album all playing together in separate rooms while being recorded all at once.
He uses Vic Firth Tomas Haake Signature. Please react to "Bleed" for crazy double pedal action, "Electric Red" for heaviness. If you wanna see ton of technique and taste check out "Stengah" Live.
Tomas used to play Vic Firth and had his own signature stick through them. In 2013 he made a change, and is a Wincent Drumstick endorser, and uses the Wincent THS (Tomas Haake Signature) stick.
He had a serious hand accident and he had problems after that holding the stick so uses a glove on that hand
Okay, That makes a ton sense now
@@KennethKBBenson and does not wear it on the left because it's too much grip and he hits very hard. he explains it in some interview
If you liked Tomas you'd most likely dig Mario Duplantier. Plays in a band called Gojira, maybe check out his drum cam for the song Toxic Garbage Island
Huh, an american nailing how you say Tomas in swedish. Nice video too dude
"What time signature is that?" ... ALL OF THEM! ;-)
actually its all 4/4 lol
Actually you're both right. They use polymeters almost everywhere, so most sections are both in 4/4 and also in some odd meter (usually multiple odd meters, since there are some shorter bars to sync back up with the 4/4 pulse).
Literally every reaction I've seen to Meshuggah's music has the reactor describing the music as "crazy". People who know any Yiddish and are familiar with this band get a chuckle every time it happens.
You know it’s hard when other drummers ask what the time signature is lmao
He uses a legacy 22” ride as a crash lol
Great video man. You may enjoy dan preslands drum videos and plague flowers the kaleidoscope is a great one to watch.
Mgła- Excercises in Futility V next?
Bruhhh. Wanna see some more insanity? Chris Turner - 40 Roll.
Love this! Glad I found your channel!! I’m a double kick player. But I’ll be honest, I definitely did not master the single first. I kind of just always wanted to use my left foot as well on the kick drum. I ended up just starting from there and developing with it always there. Now I sit on a single kick set and I suddenly have to throw out all these fast doubles and triples just to mimic my normal style. Lol!
Have a great holiday! I’m gonna go ahead and binge your channel.
"What time signature is that?"
Every Meshuggah fan: Yes
Every Meshuggah Fan : Its 4/4
Yup and then when the cymbal breaks up follow the snare. It'll either be on beat three or beats 2 and 4.
The glove on one hand is because he messed up that hand with a router. Dude's an absolute beast!
I gotta say, to see a gospel drummer react to this is epic. Gospel drummers are absolute beast technicians when it comes to musical approach. I hope you apply some of this to your playing and melt faces. Love your perspective btw. I'm sure someone already said this, but if you get the chance, catch them live, it will change your life more than it has now just reacting to it.
Using double pedal is indeed really hard at first, it took me like a year and a half to get past the first speed barrier (which was around 135 bpm for me) now I can consistently do anything around 160-170? But it's still really hard to get past that, despite my 4 years of playing with doubles
He looks strangely calm playing this, such focus!
Like all the masters....stay Focus!!!...try Jamie st merat.....
You should also do nostrum. People might tell you to do bleed cuz it’s more popular but nostrum is superior imo
Its the most appropriately named Meshuggah song: no strum, only chug :)
Good stuff man. Love the authenticity. Keep it up
I know someone else commented this already, but '40 Roll' by Chris Turner is a must watch!
Coming soon 😉
Thomas Haake is monster on drums
He's not only using a double bass pedal - he has two pedals for his left foot, the other one for the high hat. Most of the song is expressed through a single bass pedal.
Also - Thomas is sponsored by Vic Firth ;)
Wincent sticks, Tomas Haake signature.
yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i want you for my fucking church!!! thank god for people like you!!
Switzerland created the atomic clock and Sweden responded by giving the world Thomas Haake
1987 til today that is a long amount of drum exp, probably best drummer alive today, guitars are 8 strings as well, use base strings on the top strings, to get that deeper tones.
It's like they invented a whole new tonal vocabulary, there are no blues roots in this stuff that I can hear. Refreshing. And I like blues.
"I like the Meshuggahs"
you and me both pal, you and me both
when 3 people are headbanging in the back to different beats.................ITS MESHUGGAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meshuggah fan here for the upvote.
from what ive seen in many videos he has 3 hi-hats, one open and one closed and one he can open and close with his foot as usual. now i cant remeber every song of the top of my head but i belive that they are all made in a 4/4 but they poly the hell out of them with ghost notes and one over and under and sick fills etc. and what their music is depends on who´s listening, for a "metalhead" its just kickass music and for a musician their songs are basiclly masterclasses. (drummers and guitarr players i know have said to me atleast)
Check out copper wasp by night verses
He an Awesome Drummer.
Hey dude that was great. I am a drummer and huge Messhugah fan.
-What time signature is that?
-Yes
the singer is a beast and he writes some of their music too
I believe he uses his own signature stick through a company called Wincent
Hi Kenneth. Tomas uses a signature stick made by Wincent.
Glad you liked them and the drum playthrough, man! :D If you want to see some more unbelievable drumming, check out Archspire - Lucid Collective Somnambulation (drummer: Spencer Prewett)
He plays his Wincent sticks signature.
Haake is a machine
Those are all ride cymbals. He crashes on all of them lol. He's amazing
Well not all rides. But he does use a 22” as the main crash.
@@FanaticDrummer 22" heavy crash is best crash.
For when you absolutely need to break your fellow musicians hearing...
Im definitely a double bass player, just picked up that china cymbal he uses the Sabian AAX xtreme 19 china. This is definitely one of my favorite bands, that bell Brass Snare is absolutely the best sounding thing I've ever heard. A thick brass snare is high on my list!
keep on rocking man, I really appreciate you commenting on the singer, cause yeah hes a beast, and yeah the mix is sweet!
FYI this band is so legendary they have an entire subgenre of metal that has formed in their wake called Djent which is an onomatopoeia for the sound the guitar and bass band a "djent". Other notable bands include Animals as Leaders and Periphery.
But you definitely know Animals as Leaders drummer Matt Garstka cause he is hottest drummer in modern metal by far!
Look his drumstel bro 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 crazy 😝
recommendation for another reaction video: anthoy barone - rise of the fearmonger - drum playthrough.
that dude delivers a combination of speed and brute force unmatched by anything i‘ve ever seen before.
FYI, I believe Tomas uses Wincent drumsticks.
Check out John Longstreth, he is absolutely inhuman
Guitar bass and drums sure gotta memorize some crazy complex patterns. They must practice like crazy in order to play this stuff live without missing a beat. Even when it’s staying in the same poly meter for a while, they’re still changing up the pattern constantly. Crazy
Tomas uses Wincent drum sticks made in Sweden,excellent for hard hitters
he got the glove only on his right hand cuz he injuried is spine and he lost coordination on the right part of his body, he still recovering
"What time signature is that??" ANSWER: Yes!
Brann Dailor, Vitek R.I.P, Pete Sandoval, Gene Hoglan, Vinnie Paul R.I.P, Anthony Barone, etc all are AMAZING .Glad to see open minded ppl
Very fine touch not playing through youtube 👍🏻
Seen him do promos for Wincent drumsticks, not a drummer but being a fan if meshuggah I am certain that is the brand he uses.
Next do Billy Rymer- Prancer or Billy Rymer-When I Lost My Bet
I think he uses his signature stick.
He is not playing but transmitting what we hear.
Check some out Meshuggahs live from Tokyo performance of the song Pravus. It is the best live performance I have ever seen and the energy that they bring forth is on a different level.
I think you would really like Blake Richardson's Voice of Trespass drum cam!
Also most of his parts are single pedal parts! He's just constantly tapping away quarter or eighth notes on the hats haha
The single glove is for feel. That's the answer.
He uses his signature series from Wincent drumsticks: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/WTHS--wincent-hickory-artist-drumsticks-tomas-haake
3:04 .. nah bro.. That ain't double-bass.. You can still see that Hi-Hat going.. Them be floor-toms.. Stand in awe..
I use two pedals. It takes a good 15 minutes to warm up my legs enough to do what I want though, haha.
Meshuggah related but not Meshuggah. Fredrik Thordendal (lead guitars in Meshuggah) made a solo album in 1997. There is a TV recorded jam session from that album 4 years after the release with Fredrik and one of the greatest drummers to exist; Morgan Ågren (who also played the drums on that album).
Check it out!!!!
th-cam.com/video/8IEUcL8ecz8/w-d-xo.html
You should check out matt garstka from animals as leaders. Another immense drummer on the djent metal scene and he's technically really advanced
the glove is a wrist support thing, so far as I know
You should check out the wincent drum cam of bleed by meshuggah its insane! Loved the vido!
The trick to double bass is to stay relaxed, if you tense up you lose all dexterity and it goes downhill. Just like your hands, when you get tense you lose control. And a lot of practice, lol.