Fantano And Vaush Bash Oliver Anthony, Make Wild Accusations...
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- Fantano and Vaush go after Oliver Anthony after his song "Rich Men North of Richmond" goes viral and accuse him of spreading propaganda...
Date: 1 September, 2023
Oliver Anthony - Rich Men North Of Richmond
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The Oliver Anthony Song (Fantano)
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The Right's New DESPERATE, PATHETIC Attempt To Spread Propaganda (Vaush)
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00:00 Teaser / Intro
01:08 Destiny reacts to Oliver Anthony and Joe Rogan
03:46 Fantano vs Oliver Anthony
03:14 Rich men north of richmond song end
09:37 Fantano's North vs South argument
12:02 Destiny predicts Fantano
12:28 Fantano says Mason Dixon
15:43 Destiny predicts Fantano take 2
20:35 Fantano vs J Cole (No Name drama)
26:43 Fantano responds to backlash
34:17 Born in the USA
35:15 Vaush vs Oliver Anthony
42:16 Vaush claims Oliver Anthony is doing apologia
43:59 Vaush makes Destiny laugh
44:54 "This is barely even a dogwhistle" Vaush
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Congrats on the 700K dude
you're way to tto charitable to oliver Anthony. The conservative bubble would not be pushing this song so much if there were not these tropes embedded in the song. When a white southern man is talking about people abusing welfare, it's generally about black people.
thee's the famous quoate from Republican strategist lee atwater, " You start out in 1954 by saying, “N..., n..., ni....” By 1968 you can’t say “n...”-that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N..., n....”
Discount Tim Pool here loves confederate hems. Let me guess your going to vote RFK too. Seriously 💀.
@@sachinvaikunthIs it possible to be against welfare without being racist?
@@TheRealZeke2003 also why bring up welfare abuse in a song about "working" and "poor" people. one group of poor people is putting down another group of poor people.
It’s funny how quickly rich internet celebrities will try to discredit an unknown dude making anti-elitist music
The problem is it's not just anti elitist it's anti poor too it's a pandering message with the whole welfare queen bullshit. He's a load of hock fooey.
Attacking people on food stamps is not “anti-elite” and there’s a reason he cuts that part out of every post. Lol
@@joshuaknepshield4687welfare doesn’t benefit the people paying for it
Fatties milking welfare isn't anti welfare. Anti milking the system
@@Snake-di9bd The elite should pay for it.
Fantano: "this north south divide is evil"
Also fantano: "southerners are too stupid to know what they are saying"
It’s evil when they aren’t nice to us
They think southerns are stupid bc they don’t have a college degree. Lived in the north and south never noticed a difference except southerns were more patient and empathetic.
No lies detected
@@Yourfavoritedealer yeah lived in the south and California. Definitely some idiots in the south but significantly better people. Californians are all gross.
Ironically, it’s Fantano himself who created that divide. A north and south divide is not what the line “Rich Men North of Richmond” means. He is the one who tried to turn it into a north and south divide.
I love how the minors on the island is a "conspiracy theory". Dude, that actually happened.
Nu-uh
@@YappingGamerDad😂😂😂 don’t start
Conspiracy reality.
But of course Trump having connections to Epstein (as with many other politicians) means that he’s a pedophile but how dare you imply that Epstein may have had his pedo island.
Don’t try and find anything approaching intellectual thought with Fantano
Taking impoverished children from third-world countries and places like the Philippines to abuse sounds like something that absolutely does happen. Just look at the whole true crime thing about Peter Scully, and it doesn't shock me whenever I hear of a case about abuse there and the fact that people go to the Philippines solely for sex tourism.
Messed up part is Oliver Anthony didnt even mention a specific party and turned down millions when asked to show up at the Republican stuff. He also said he was frustrated the right wing took his music and played it not realizing the song was about all the politicians not just one side or the other. So i mean OA stood tall and didnt cave when the money was in front of him. So everything Fantano was spouting here was absolutely incorrect. And i think Fantano basically does this to get traction on his name from time to time.
White guy sings about problems in society everyone is going through
Fantano: "He wants to bring the confederacy back!"
Problem : Wage stagnation through rampant inflation
Solution : Let's -crackdown on crony corporatism and hike taxes for corporations- deny poor people welfare
Yeah great songwriting
@@MM-vs2etAh, yes.
The bandaid solution. Do you want a side of CP to go with that welfare?
@MM-vs2et can we just call welfare what it is? It's you and me paying for it, and with the divorce and fatherless children there are out there that's not going to change anytime soon because it's celebrated. I think you should do some research on welfare and some intended implications of it by politicians. You ever met someone on welfare that was on it for 6 months? I haven't. It's a career for some people and I will be paying for it with my paycheck for the rest if my f'ing life.
@@donutbevil9669 "Bandaid" lmao. I bet you think billionaire philanthropism is the solution to poverty. Also self report much? Unwarranted mention of CP? Yikes.
@@6000pounds Welfare is just tax allocated for humanitarian purposes. "Lets call it what it is", this ain't a fucking conspiracy. The US government publish budget reports every month and year. If you have a problem with that you have a problem with taxation. And I guess you have a problem with roads being built and maintained to connect cities and states. You have a problem with being able to call 911 if you're in danger. You have a problem with war veterans being able to reintegrate to society. And most importantly, you have a problem with the American Dream.
And no. People that I've met on welfare such as unemployment or FCA has only been on it for a couple months, and without it, they wouldn't have been able to get back on their feet and committed suicide. So yeah, I'm fine with giving 20% of what I make for those people for the rest of my life. Don't blame the world if you're a heartless sociopath. Go live in the middle of the pacific, in international waters, and realize your wildest libertarian dreams. Leave the rest of us alone.
Its crazy how vaush and hasan get away with not being put in the category of rich people
Any regular person would classify them as rich celebs.
@@stuartfury3390 You underestimate their fanbase.
@@stuartfury3390 Hasan is super rich. Vaush nit so much
@@TheonlyJohnMorris Both rich, one is just richer.
Hasan's categorization as such is usually treated as a meme or just not that important, Vaush is definitely less wealthy than Hasan but he is still comparatively rich. Both even have expansive safety nets to fall back onto just in case they manage to lose it all.
I love how certain people seem to always dismiss all conspiracy theories that they don't agree with, but they have no problem coming up with even more ludicrous theories only to justify their position and keep them from actually self-reflecting
If you like your conspiracy theories and think they are correct but think the other guy’s conspiracy theories are nuts then maybe you are both nuts lol
This comment is very ironic lmao
It's hard to find a more dumb take than saying the government, that is now printing money going brrrr, are not reasonable for the inflation, and if you unionize you some that problem.
@@Behindthejab By definition, a conspiracy theory is neither correct nor incorrect, it is an intended and deliberate speculation. What he's pointing out, is the hypocritical nature of people who call you a 'conspiracy theorist' meaning to disparage you for speculating, as if speculation is not fair play, and then go on to counter your speculation with their own. It is quite absurdly hypocritical to do so, but some people of certain political or spiritual persuasions consider speculation and discussion, to be something that is reserved for those who are 'correct', in other words, *themselves*.
How exactly they ever come to determine themselves 'correct', when they haven't shown adequate respect for others views and speculations, is a bizarre mystery. I tend to think it signifies very poor character though.
@@sugarbirb5145do you have the slightest idea of what ironic means? Cuz I don't think you do.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a man project so hard as Fantano did in his second Oliver Anthony video. He calls the man dumb, accuses him of absorbing talking points from social media and spouting them mindlessly, and then has the nerve to call for Oliver Anthony to basically “own up to his mistake”. Like, wow. I knew he had no real humility, but the lack of self-awareness is unreal. He’s basically calling himself out lol
Defending his north/south take with ”he’s not talking about Washington DC because there are politicians all over the country” has got to be the most brainless argument he could have made
When you are desperately trying to force a narrative, you get ass takes like his.
Had a friend from Virginia. Northern Virginia often called NOVA is notorious for being the home of federal employees. They live off taxes and set national policy and have no cultural connection with the rest of the state but affect its state level politics. No one should even comment on this song without this context.
Fantano showed he's blinded by his partisan views. It is what it is he'll get there eventually if his IQ will allow it :)
@@absurdh3roYeah it's precisely this. I find the song to be pretty cringe but this is Vaush's biggest problem. He's so dedicated to sticking to a narrative and pleasing his audience that he would do anything to defend it, logic and truth be damned.
@@michaelthompson7217 There are definitely worse examples though. The "aqua" moment during that debate with the philosophy PhD was one of his lowest ever.
You can always count on Anthony to give an honest, eloquent and detailed bad take.
Yeah I always thought his takes were purposely a bit controversial to increase engagement and people commenting but now I think he just has bad takes.
@@Timmy2by4yeah this kind of proves it.
Bullshit
His opinions been shit for years now.
Oliver Anthony was offered multiple
Multi Million Dollar Deals but turned them all down💀😂🤣
That’s the opposite of a plant by definition🤦🏻
The fact that this song got backlash for being a "right wing anthem" because it criticizes the politicians of the country makes me wonder how much backlash Rage Against The Machine would get from these people if they made those songs today.
They wouldn’t make those songs today. Tbh the cultural/artistic environment that spawned the band itself doesn’t exist anymore so RATM probably wouldn’t have been formed
Not just that, the song is literally primarily saying capitalists and politicians are screwing the working class. Then we have communists and socialists going wow look at this far right trash. It's telling that big voices on the left say that. Really makes me wonder why a bunch of Obama voters voted for Trump...
And also they rage FOR the machine these days
fantano is like a mom that thinks the monster energy logo is satanic
Vav vav vav
Alright I'm gonna go out on a limb and explain this to you- I drink monster, and the logo is "satanic" in the sense that yes the logo is three Hebrew sixes and called monster. I still drink it but that doesn't make me feel like the drink itself is satanic. What I'm getting at is culturally occult and satanic imagery is very very real and multiple things can be true at once. So I like your joke, as long as you know there is some truth to what your saying!
Damn that’s quite apropo
@@WugaziiI thought the logo was an M because the drink is called 'Monster'
Mom's who things are satanic without studying legitimate occult texts are dumb. But people who thinks that the occult is "white girl" shit, are also dumb.
The way politics rots people's brains still continues to surprise me..
So rotten they make a cringe ass song like this lmfao
Has to be something in the water.
Idk your age but frankly at this point in 2023 it shouldn't
Fantano: Oliver Anthony is pushing conspiracy theories.
Also Fantano: Country music is a conservative psy-op.
@@mariokarter13 You are strawmanning Fantano with what Vaush said
This song speaks to me as a blue collar worker. A lot of non-blue collar workers are up in arms about this song and preach to me in their ivory towers as if I'm part of the uneducated, unwashed masses too dumb to see what they see. IDK man it's just what it feels like right now.
Yeah I'm a carpenter and I agree. Always condescended to by people who work half as hard to make twice as much and think the status quo is just gravy.
I think it's just cause they haven't been in your place but think because they read a study or two that they have to teach others or know more than the next. Which ain't excusable and is obnoxious of them. Our country functions best when our blue-collar workers are respected and treated how they should be imo.
It's like people who shit on coal mines and pay no attention to the ones who had to work in them. Yeah, the coal industry is harmful over time, but people refuse to see the impact shutting down a lot of mines has had on rural areas and families. Unfortunately, in our current day, people would rather talk over each other than listen.
I actually think all workers whether blue or white collar are struggling now. Wages haven’t kept up with inflation across the board. It’s easy to look at “northerners” & think they’re wealthy. Yes, relatively speaking, in NYC we make like 3x as much as my family in FL. But they pay no state taxes. We pay state & city taxes, plus we pay >50% of our income to housing. So take home pay is remarkably similar regardless of region. FWIW, some trades (still considered “blue collar”) actually make more than certain physicians in NY. A master electrician or cabinetmaker here with their own business can easily out earn a hospitalist or psychiatrist who works for a hospital.
@@scarletsletter4466 I hear you. You've probably been told this before but get out of there! NYC is a hellhole! Stay safe.
Tbh I feel like people should be more united behind the general message. There’s lots of young rich people who feel similar working their tech jobs or financial jobs feeing like they work long hours, don’t really have any human connections, and just live for no reason. I think if people focused on the long hours and helplessness and feeling that the ultra rich and politicians just want to control everything and benefit themselves and the government doesn’t actually do much for anyone who works super hard and taxes are high most people could unite behind that sentiment.
Working class love it when clowns like this tell us how terrible we are and our troubles are nothing
Yeah that’s what they said uhuh
@@sugarbirb5145Wait. Let me guess. The "out of context" excuse. I'm guessing can't tie your shoes by yourself.
@@sugarbirb5145so you think Hasan, Anthony, and vaush think this is a song about the working class and their struggles after watching their whole videos on claiming it was some kind of right wing anthem about the south rising again?
@@sugarbirb5145it is though. Leftists always miss the fact that the blue collar working class world considers welfare defrauders essentially traitors. We've accepted our lot of long hours and a hard struggle towards good pay and watch some people we grew up with quit, scheme, and leech off the system.
@@donutbevil9669when did either of them said that?
Fire crossover argument is that life sucks for the working class is because of the exploitation from wealthy elites. Shooting on the poor only distracts from the main topic of the song.
Vaush: "DC is North of Richmond"
Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
Not defending Vaush here but thats not a gotcha. Like this is how dogwhistles work. By describing DC Politicians as "Rich men north of Richmond" hes contrasting them with the rich people/politicians in Richmond aka the former confederate capital.
Thats what Vaush thinks Oliver Anthony means with this line. Prooving wether or not he actually meant that or if it just fit well is hard, because thats what dogwhistles are for.
Im personally not convinced that It is a dogwhistle but I can see where Vaush is comming from given the 9-11 Videos Anthony had on his public playlist.
Fantano political takes worse than his music takes. Dear lord
Fantano has been including his terrible political takes in his music reviews more and more and it’s cringe.
The funny thing is the song mostly agrees with him idk why he made a video trying to disagree with the song 😭
@p0k3mn15 because he heard right wingers liked the song, so his immediate reactionary response was to hate it
@@OmegaFalcorn son said mbdtf is a 6-7, how you gonna say his music taste is decent 😂
He's really just trying to Ape the Hasan crowd that he's gained since he's started popping up on Twitch and TikTok.
I gained respect for Destiny when he called fantano "a partisan hack"
Same
I disagree with Destiny on A TON of issues.
BUT I will always have respect that he is willing to go against the grain, and is criticize any argument, regardless of "which side" they are on.
And his arguments are well thought out and usually logically consistent, respect.
Fantano mocking the "Young men are putting themselves six feet in the ground, cuz all this damn country does is keep kicking them down." line is infuriating, and just highlights Oliver Anthony's point (in my estimation) about how isolated and alienated many young men feel.
I’m not at that part in the video but I read that lyric and was curious what he was gonna say hahaha. Dudes such an idiot 😂
Yup 100%
Ehh only weirdos are estranged. Youre budding young men not children anymore, it is time to grow up.
@@waynewayne8419 Yeah big guy, double down on the estrangement. 💀
Suicide rates among men have skyrocketed, how funny, amirite?!?!
I like how people like this will discourage anything that seems conspiratorial. At the same time read a lyric and create a conspiracy about it.
Like who? Vaush encourages all conspiracies
"a conspiracy is only what *I* think a conspiracy is"
Who would have thought that the left and right only believe _their own_ conspiracy theories? It's almost as if ideologues aren't objective.
Yup
Love how both of their responses were pretty much, "Yeah I was kinda wrong about him being a right-wing psyop but it's his fault because he's too dumb to understand what he was saying" instead of just apologizing and moving on.
Same thing happening in uk the system broken it needs to be reconstructed
Dude the way Destiny genuinely laughs at Vaush sends me for a fuckin loop lmao. You can tell he really gets joy out of his shit
He really should hate watch him more
Shoutout to Fantano for threatening to sue Activision over a fucking TikTok meme.
I mean activision did use his likeness for financial gain which is no bueno
@@Kevinmcyeetexcept fantano accepted the terms and conditions of the TikTok app. Oopsie
The corporation isn't going to fuck you
Fantano doesn't deserve to have any of his IP. The dude lives off art other people make.
@@Kevinmcyeetyou wanna take back a meme? Make it racist 😂
So instead of singing about money struggles he's covertly saying "man I miss slavery". Makes sense
Slavery made a lot of people wealthy
@@Ktmfan450 but not the common man. Look up the numbers. Even in Texas...which you would think of as a "slave state," and a pretty heavy slave state at that...
It was like 18% of the population that even owned one. One.
Mostly it was just wealthy people.
😂
Even when you try to paint it that way, it doesn't work.
He is complaining about how the common man gets screwed over because slavery went away? 😂😂😂
Good god, the mental clownery never ends.
Edit: it is clearly, and he said this, about politicians. 😂
@@Ktmfan450 no, it made about 1 percent of the population rich. And, the rest had to try and compete against slave labor if they were to work for someone else. Most people homesteaded at the time though and didn't really even have an income.
@@dala7862 so robot basically
@@clonical1044the difference is the common man in the south did support the war, the north opposed slavery on a tactical level ('slave power' was a common belief, essentially the belief the south would use slaves to dominate politics) as well as an ethical level, the south saw it as a tactic to weaken their autonomy.
This would be like if the government tried to crack down on robots and businesses and landownership and a political faction all at once, sure it might be right but you'll probably see the common man defend the wrong thing because it's tied to so many issues
We here love Vaush and Anthony Fantano for their continued brain cell sacrifice 👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌
Can you sacrifice them when there are none left?
Somehow I’ve gone literal months without hearing vaush’s voice, I really wish it were still the case 😢
Oliver Anthony: "I Distrust my representatives"
Fantano and crew: "Yikes. You right wing bigots dont know anything! Let me condescendingly tell you what is actually wrong and why you are actually stupid for not thinking what I think bigot."
I just dont understand why political discourse is breaking down in this country. Completely eludes me.
Algorithms make people more extreme, since it makes them more predictable.
Well to be fair the line about obese people on food stamps made it to easy for leftists to paint him as a dogwhistling racist
Fantano and Vaush are actually so similar in strange ways. Always on the biggest moral high roads.
Almost like they have the same braindead fanbase
You know what I like about Vaush? He understands why Hitchens hated Christians and Muslims. Maybe it's actually time for a war?
@@undefinedhuman7404pussy’s remorse
@@undefinedhuman7404It was The Fader I think.
@@dirt-kw7cy what part of vaush or fantano doesnt make you think they are terrible people behind their high road mask ? Fantano is getting sued by Activision now for being so comically greedy and nobody wants to associate with Vaush because he is so goddamm antagonistic. I am not anyone’s stan and if in the future Destiny turns out to be a fullblown dickhead I will gladly unsubscribe as I did for Fantano and Vaush.
"Young men putting themselves 6 feet in the ground"
Suicide rates among young men are wayyy up.
That line, ignored by these gaped, crusty assholes, is THE bit of information that should lead to revolution.
“Everyone hates the rich-“ Vaush(Rich guy with rich Hollywood parents.)
When I hear "rich" in this context I tend to think of oligarchs and the likes, and Vaush isn't that.
I think that's a bit unfair, his dad works in the (extremely infamous) VFX industry, completely different than being say, a director or producer or actor. He doesn't have a rich upbringing or anything like that
@@WiloPolis03 idk, if your parents work in Hollywood and you grew up on Beverly Hills, I'd say you're rich and had a very rich upbringing...
@@sora4440That's like saying everyone living in Austin is a techbro, it's more complicated than that
@@WiloPolis03The average cost of living in Beverly Hills is $1945, which is in the top 18% of the most expensive cities in the world.
- "cost of living, Beverly hills" Google search
The average cost of living in Austin is $2605, which is in the top 3% of the most expensive cities in the world
-"cost of living, Austin" Google search.
Yeah, I'm gonna agree with sora and say it's less complicated than that. These are some of the most expensive places in the world to live, the lower class of these areas would be making enough to live like kings in most other places in the USA.
To be clear, I'm not advocating for someone to uproot and move to a cheaper and safer area (even though I did while working as a pizza delivery guy in trade school). My comment is in relation to the conversation about vaush and his upbringing, which was clearly upper middle class in an area of extreme wealth. Upper middle class in Beverly Hills vs upper middle class in New Orleans would be a different as night and day in terms of income.
weird how fantano doesn't break down rap songs with this much cultural critiquing i wonder why that could be
ARE YOU IMPLYING WHITE GUILT OR SOMETHING, PERHAPS? 🧐
Because rap songs generally aren't picked up by conservative media. Nor do they appeal to working-class sentiments while also shitting on the poor
@@matthewarnold4557nah instead they just glorify degenerate behavior like killing people, selling drugs and treating women like garbage.
i too, don't use my brain to think critically and only react contrarily based off of what the opposite political news media tells me @@matthewarnold4557
@@matthewarnold4557come off it. Politically most of us here are progressive, but we all know why Fantano doesn’t breakdown rap lyrics. Ben Shapiro does though 😂
I'm impressed with how trash Fantano's take is, and just how confident he is in it. That's an impressive level of mental gymnastics.
😂 You clearly never watched him he is a cancer cell to music maybe a full blown tumour
“While I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was basically too dumb to a degree to understand what is was that he was communicating.” The irony is painful. The guy writes a cohesive song that targets the federal government and because of his own biases, Fantano is unable to understand how it comes together. Instead he calls the songwriter dumb because of his failure to analyze the song.
Not only does Fantano bless us by dropping an absolute dookie take, he doubles down on it like a true ALPHA. Picking up a strong window-licker energy from him nowadays. Very nice 👍
😂😂😂
He’s always been like this . Ever since that article of him being accused of being alt right he’s gone hard left on almost every issue
He didn't double down exactly, tbf I think his position post OA's response vid was a bit more nuanced
@@WiloPolis03Vaush had a better response. Fantano was still doubling down on a few things, but he did change his mind a little bit. I'm glad to see your comment though. Now it's time for me to leave this toxic hellscape of Destiny.
@@maxsmart9116 Yeah I'd agree with that, and yeah same lol
I'm not mad at Fantano, I'm mad at the do-gooder that let him out of the locker back in high school
Shoot at his balls i dont want him to pee
He went to privet school mf'r didn't have to worry about getting bullied.
You could have at least edited that a bit to make it somewhat original. That is what I do when I steal jokes. You just did it word for word.
@@ashlomen8432i don't think Artie is going to notice or care
@@TheRomano725 fair point
Total conservative leaning guy here. I am a huge fan of Destiny, consume a lot his content frequently. Total respect for his fan base here. They are funny and intelligent. That you soooooo much for calling out Anthony Fantano as a partisan hack. Thank you. Thank you. You are a value to culture. 😂so good.
Same. Destiny is legit. A guy with principles and brains
Saying nobody buys music on iTunes is already a plain lie so he lost all credibility and showed he's arguing in bad faith from 30 seconds in. 😂
Fantano talking about country music is somehow goofier than Shapiro talking about rap music
Shapiro is hilarious when he references WAP 😂
@LLBD08 I was gonna say Shapiro is at least funny to listen to when he talks about some rap 😂😂😂
He's not singing about just random people in the country. He's singing about his family and friends and neighbors and things he sees on a daily basis.
people not from appalachia are out of touch with how people live and feel in appalachia
@michaelbeard4883 I think what so many of these wealthy left wing streamers dont understand is just how much the working poor hate the non working poor. They see themselves slogging their guts out only to see their neighbour doing nothing and getting almost the same pay check.
He's also painting the poor vs the poor with the whole fat welfare queen bs. It's classic rich making poor people hate other poor people power tactics. It's all just corporate propaganda. It's not a real working class song. It's bullshit right wing views.
i don't think he knows what he's singing about. I think right wing grifters already tarnished any genuine credibility he had.
@@idkhowtospellit’s not even a right winger song u melon. Regardless, sometimes you need to throw away your preconceived notions and listen to the message. If Oliver Anthony had blue hair and looked like a hippie you’d love the song, ironically proving yourself to be a hypocrite.
A normal guy, singin his heart out about the struggles of everyday life for the working class, while a bunch of out-of-touch streamers, who've never done a hard day's work in their life, call him a racist and think the song is a dog whistle... It's fuckin pathetic. And sad, that people can't pull their head's out of their asses long enough to realize: Money is what divides this country, not color.
I've been a blue collar boy since I was 16. This song genuinely spoke to me. And i cried the first time i listened to it. The world feels so hopeless to alot of us. It feels like we're putting ourselves in an early grave to keep this country running. And while sure, people on wellfare arent to blame, it sucks seeing a 300lbs person using food stamps to buy twinkies at the store. It invokes a feelings of things being unfair, how come i bust my ass working 60 hours a week to barely cover food and rent. But your fat ass gets a free pass to be a lazy piece of shit. Obviously thats not the case the majority of the time, and those programs help people who need it. But thats how it feels to us, and it takes active effort to try and put those feelings in their place when compared to reality.
"it sucks seeing a 300lbs person using food stamps to buy Twinkies at the store. It invokes a feelings of things being unfair"
The US government directs the bulk of its food subsidies toward commodity crops like corn and soybeans. These are used to make cheap sugars, starches, and oils that end up in highly-processed junk foods. Junk food (yes - including Twinkies) is CHEAP and is the easiest type of food for low-income families to afford, and is the chief reason WHY poor people tend to be obese - they can't afford healthier foods bc they're more expensive. A box of Twinkies costs around $3, whereas something like organic granola bars or something with less processed sugar costs 2x that or more.
The notion that it's unfair for poor fat people using food stamps on cheap as dirt Twinkies is the most broke-brained perspective to have. Poor people buy what's cheap, junk food is heavily subsidized and amongst the cheapest food you can buy, and buying junk food is how people on food stamps can stretch their dollars the furthest.
If they used their food stamps on more expensive non-processed food, the same people complaining about them buying Twinkies would be mad they were using food stamps on higher quality/more expensive food, and if they can afford that then they shouldn't need food stamps at all, etc. There's no winning for the folks on food stamps when it comes to people that look for reasons to criticize them.
Oliver Anthony on Rogan eluded to the same perspective of the situation as you. I’ve also listened to many discussions about our food is “killing us” versus other countries. It’s circular greed that even leads straight to the healthcare industry. I don’t know what’s possible as a society to affect any change but speaking about it and offering this perspective can help the situation the only way we can. Thank you for bringing this into the debate
@@thedudeweekndI am so tired of this trope. It is a bold faced lie. Go to the store today and look at the prices of snack cakes compared to a bag of rice and a pack of chicken breasts. Healthy food bought at the base ingredient level is *far* cheaper than junk food. It's not even close. A 5$ bag of rice is like 20 meals.
You cried ? LMAOOOOO
@jn1346 some music makes some people cry. It's not about the lyrics of the song or the meaning. Some people just feel melodies more than others, usually those with musical talent themselves.
Im glad we have these 2 to defend these rich men who are being relentlessly bullied by this man
"When you walk with them, you step on us"... No matter how much you like Pink Floyd...
😂🤣 good ole boy Beverly Hills, CA
so overweight people on welfare are “rich“? In what, bodyfat?
That‘s such a stupid thing for him to complain about, too, considering how it‘s the lack of big gobmint regulation in the food sector that lead to these extremely cheap and calorie-dense options that can lead poor people into obesity. And what the fuck kind of heartless solution is “Texas should just let’em starve“.
The song might be getting more attention than it should because it happened to become part of the culture war, but that‘s no reason to defend its dumb politics.
I ❤ this comment so much
Two rich commies defending rich politicians? Sounds about right..
The fact that anyone takes voosh seriously is one of the most disheartening things I’ve ever heard
It depends on what era of vaush you’re talking about old vaush was way better at giving a good leftist perspective but now he just has his, nazi bad, Capitalism bad, racism bad, transphobia bad, over and over again.
to be honest, when I was a 13 or 14 year old, I totally would have slurped crap like Voosh up. I didn't really get my brain until I was 21.
Ok sonny destiny will surely notice you
Vaush based. Stay mad.
True. Something broke his brain and lately he has been reeeeealy bad.
The right has nothing to worry about if the left props up these type of clowns.
As a rightoid, can attest. We love when the left props these losers up.
Never watched your videos before but I am with you. Wow, Fantano is reaching hard.
As you said, if you assume he knows what he's talking about, he wouldn't be lying.
Oliver spoke out against his son being used by right-wing media.
Music is a tool and its up to the listener to decide how its consumed.
man i saw the fantano video and was astounded how many times he made assumptions in the most political way rather than just look at it from a laymans perspective, but with maybe conservative, but DEFINITELY working class subject
political obsession has rotted so many peoples brains
He's a rich guy. He is simply incapable of connecting to the working majority. Mike become the Knight actually had legit criticism of the song. Tango, on the other hand, is basically the Vashu of the music world.
"It may be Conservative."
It might be. But consider this... don't the Left hate the Rich? Don't they hate the Corrupt System? Don't they hate the Politicians that create this environment (of course they only think one side has done that).
Dude may have wrote the Progressive's Anthem... and because he's a white guy from the South East, they think it's Hitler.
It’s so weird he made a video against the song when the song mostly agrees with what he says most of the time
Yeah, at worst you can say the "minors on an island" line is an unfortunate bi product of Americans only caring about America, but you can't even call it racist.
Edit: he was referencing Epstein, got it.
The welfare thing is also a bi product of backwards conservative values that make them vote against their own interests, because welfare isn't bankrupting anyone, it just helps the poor.
But the rage against two tiny lines that are so minor is such nonsense.
The last song the left freaked out about was actually laden with some bad lines, but this was so nothing that it makes the left look crazy again.
Aye aye aye
@@AchillesThePeacemaker Conservatives support welfare for people that really need it, but they want you to get your shit together and contribute to society instead of being perpetually on welfare.
Fantano is actually brain dead for not realizing that the lyrics are about DC.
or hes covertly bringing his old meme channel back
@@Healcraftdoubt it
But who care it's about DC
Nah there's no way he didn't do it on purpose, I'm not even from America never been yet I knew when he was talking about rich men north of richmond I knew it meant dc, it's not hard to look at a map
These people know, they're just deliberately being dishonest because they make a living off of sowing political discord amongst the working class.
Knowing what somebody is going to say doesnt make them incorrect.
exactly, you can tell they feel so superior just saying that head ass shii
When he got to "six feet in the ground" line, notice how he instantly laughed and changed topic instead of even acknowledging suicide rates that are, well, real
Yep.
The way Fantano leapt to imaginary conclusions had to be seen to be believed. Unreal. I can't believe a pretty obvious reference to gridlock in DC went completely over his head in favor of some invisible North/South divide. Particularly as the second verse SPECIFICALLY calls out those politicians. He is really showing his ass here. And that he's never had to struggle a day in his life.
Where is the reference to “gridlock” in the song?
@@austingoyne3039It's an imaginary conclusion he jumped to
@@austingoyne3039 gridlock as in nothing getting done to help people in need. They look out for themselves and big business first and foremost. The two party system is beyond broken.
@@thesovgcthe two party system is broken but he just so happens to be pushed by every conservative outlet? He sings about the rich fucking the poor but again is getting pushed by republicans? Yeah sounds legit
@@austingoyne3039when your literary skills are set to 1, the comment
Some of them were left leaning back then, but if you were "left leaning" back then you'd probably be considered conservative today considering how far left the left has gone
We're in a weird reallignment period where old labels are becoming less significant.
It’s also important to note that social conservatism and economic conservatism were less connected back then. Both parties has progressives and conservatives in terms of stuff like unions and welfare.
I feel like on the whole "people starving in the streets and obese people on welfare" thing is over thought and is only trying to convey how the government will support people unnecessarily over helping litteral homeless people
This just goes to show how long a liberal's arms can get when they're reaching for racism
Neither of them of liberals
@@matthewarnold4557 Yea they are. Vaush is borderline right wing. Not on the left.
@@Jasonsmith-sr1ke how Is vaush right wing
@@matthewarnold4557Openly supports the neverending war in Ukraine.
@@matthewarnold4557source i made it the fuck up.
Ever since the Destiny debate about Kyle Rittenhouse, Vaush fell off the wagon and never got back up. It was something about that debate that permanently made Vaush worse at debating.
Vaush wasn't debating in this video.
Vaush was always shit at debating
The left deserves these as their intellectuals: A vegan music reviewer and a lolicon game streamer
what game did vaush play ? lol
@@JDyo001he just always goes into tirades about the morality of child porn all the time completely unprompted
I love how being vegan is being compared to consuming lolicon lmao
As opposed to a cuckold streamer? Lmao
ironic cus most of destiny fans, and political internet nerds will defend lolis and anime porn
Vaush logic is kinda like "The teletubbies are racist because they have the red one, and red was the campaign color of Trump"
Terminally online twitch streamers are the ones I go to when I want a reasonable outlook on life
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Didn't Oliver Anthony literally say it was about politicians on both sides of the aisle?
EDIT: YUP
“It’s aggravating seeing people on conservative news try to identify with me, like I’m one of them,” - Oliver Anthony
not to mention that a bunch of republican's are turning against him now, for essentially saying "Racism bad" in a recent interview. So now both leftoid and rightoids hate his guts, for existing...
Yes... until he got up his own back 9 about austerity politics. I want a revolution but if you just want to clout chase and televise it... I'm out! Fool me twice shame on me..
seems like a weak argument. Doesn't the maga crowd do that too? Complain about "establishment" republicans, rinos and every reblublican who isn't fully in line with trump?
Yeah, people are accepting him and really digging his song, and the first thing he does is alienate them. Did you not want them to identify with you? Alright dude, you can go be a prick about everything, if you're already too good for your audience you should take the first flight to LA, you'll fit right in.
@@KarazolaXNothing more excites me than the thought of being idolized than a bunch of drooling anti-wokeness obsessed burger receptacles.
45:32 I actually died of cringe once I realize vaush wasn't doing that voice ironically
Holy shit😂😂😂
Not only does rich man rhyme with Richmond. He is from fucking Virginia
Brother I freaking love you. So glad to have a progressive person who also lives in reality. It's refreshing. Also I love how respectfully you can disagree with someone with differing opinions if they're based in facts.
"Richmond is a dog whistle" Or maybe, just maybe, Rich men north of Richmond is clever wordplay in a song.
Richmond definitely means the confederacy but DC doesn't mean the political class. Bravo fantano
It's wild because they keep saying that Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. Well, it's also the capital of Virginia, and it has been the capital of Virginia longer than it ever was the capital of the Confederacy, lol.
Imagine going to confederacy not that it's a play on words to how they say Rich men in the south.
Exactly
The absolute braindead takes the title gets alone just baffles my mind. It's a song lyric. "All politicians, everywhere, all the time just wanna have total control" doesn't quite roll off the tongue.
honestly Fantano is a weirdo real talk
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What Troll's Remorse does to a mfer
We're on the internet 😂. Who the fuck isn't a weirdo???
👆 What ur mom said
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This is what happens when people take the "death of the author" concept to seriously.
You can interpret it in any you want, and blame the author *as if* that was their intent all along.
I really do think its a decent concept, that when taken to far, allows for deluded takes to be legitimized.
I like how he got upset at the fudge rounds and listed other things the government spends money on and says they're useless. Yes, the point is government spending in general. Rich men north of Richmond are spending money and have little clue what they are doing.
Saying tax money shouldn’t go to junk snack cakes , is not sh*tting on the poor.
None of these people on the internet have ever talked to normal people and it fucking shows.
The most common complaint in the baltimore area is that people use their ebt cards to buy lump crab meat. I've stopped asking people why they give a fuck because they just do.
When you work your ass off every day and feel like you get nothing in return for your tax dollars, i guess you just get hypervigilant about what those taxes do get spent on.
That's exactly what I'm saying. People can think that welfare should exist and at the same time not cover unhealthy foods. It's not a bash on the poor, it's a complaint about the system.
@@TheRomano725 a kid I grew up with gamed the system into getting on disability at 21, he uses his EBT to buy food then returns it for cash and sells his free prescription meds. It happens and it’s a real issue.
It basically is. I'd say you're reading harder into it than the ones you're talking about. The song literally says he doesn't like fatasses eating shit on welfare funded by his tax money. I'd say that's closer to shitting on welfare queens than corporate socialism.
@@ryanyates8090You are talking about extreme situations.. this isn't a normal thing.
You have people in every single industry or social structure that takes advantage of loop holes.
Trump for example turned it into a career.
People get their panties bunched about welfare and yet have nothing to say that rich corporations and people loophole out of taxes or liability. And don't bat an eyelash.
Americans are masters of choosing what to be mad about and ignoring everything else.
"Lefties going 10 minutes without calling something hitler" challenge
IMPOSSIBLE.
I dunno dude. Remember masks? Was it lefties crying that America was like Nazi Germany… just sayin
I'm not saying you don't have a point (because the left overdoes this) but the fact that your comment got 75 likes is pretty indicative of the kind of audience Destiny has been recently cultivating and it's sad.
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 We’re all just people. On a sliding scale of intellectual and informational literacy.
@@JudasMaccabeus1 I'm not sure how that's relevant to my point lol
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 I’m not really either
Modern country music is perceived as "right wing"
But folk music is more hippies types, "left wing"
These boxes are soo stupid
Arlo Guthrie was at Woodstock 69' ffs
Hopelessness is the main thing people with depression usually feel.
When I first listened to the song I never once thought "I want to own a person".
Vaush is so fair and balanced, he never ever poisons the well at all.
Genuinely he doesn't
@@schnoz2372I guess popping addies every debate has a cleansing effect on well poison? Guess i'll never know since i'm not an addict
I had never heard his theory about how conservatives have no souls lmao he skipped the part where he accuses them of eating babies and worshipping the devil and went straight for it.
"North and south relations " has a totally different context depending on who you ask anyway.
To Fantano he thinks it means "civil war"
To a southerner it just means "those different people up there with a different culture"
Because literally all these people can think about is race.
As a black virginian, founding out that the only thing these guys know about virginia is that it was confederate is hilarous.
I'll probably never understand why Vaush thought it was a good idea to talk to Brianna with the plantation voice
That sounds hilarious, what time did he do that? Don't want to have to watch the whole thing.
@@BillyraycyrusIII lol 45:30
Vaush is the biggest grifter alive.. kills me when he says others are grifting
If he was a grifter you would be much larger as a streamer
Obesity in the US is also a substantial component of the cost of healthcare, it's such a problem that the government has done a substantial amount of work regulating school meals to try to combat obesity.
"the answer to getting better pay is protesting" ... wow that's gotta be the most philosophically sophisticated thing I've heard all day right there.
Has he ever been employed? Serious question. I don't think anyone who's ever been employed would say something that out of touch with reality.
Fantano will never turn down a chance to be overly sanctimonious. Same could be said for Vaush, but his bigger issue is that he’s nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is, and most of the “connections” he draws are tenuous at best.
"a bunch of military bases that do essentially nothing"
Jesus Christ why are the people who complain about military spending the loudest always the most ignorant on the subject?
They see big number and then assume the military is just a bunch of soldiers who overthrow Middle Eastern Governments.
I complain about military spending but that's because I'm military and I see all the waste. But, yeah these guys are idiots
Yupsie, you hit it on the head. Getting even the USMC over here is such a blessing, they're always such nice and playful people, willing to socialize with everyone around them ❤️🇺🇲
😂 ignorance makes certain people confident that the problem Is easy to fix by 'stopping'
NATO is a terrorist organization and the military is a welfare program for people who are far too unemployable to work in the real world. The military budget should be cut by more than half.
Vaush, while pretty smart, really shows his autism sometimes. He actually was convinced this song was racist. And I think he backed off that slightly when we learned dude’s actually just a normie.
Lol, do people actually unironically believe that Vaush is autistic for real?? If so, I can only assume that they’ve never met/talked to an autistic person.
He “was convinced that the song is racist” because he’s bad-faith and a biased hack. Not super hard to understand.
It’s cause Oliver Anthony has a youtube playlist with a few videos blaming 9/11 on (((them))). That’s the most sus part about him and ticked off Vaush the most.
A little insight here as a construction worker (Local 572 Pipefitter): "Drag back home and drown ny troubles away...". "Drag in this instancr is referring to quitting and/or getting laid off from a job. One of the downfalls of working construction is that the jobs come and go. Today you might be welding pipe but tomorrow you might be getting cut two checks; deuce-deuce. (Oliver) Anthony has made reference to his blue-collar roots before which leads me to believe that this beginning verse is merely a set up to the pre-chorus and chorus as often times construction and it's ilk are directly influenced by the "rich men north of Richmond".
To avoid confusion, Oliver Anthony has decided to rename the song “Rich men in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue”
"1600 is obviously a dog whistle to the year 1600 where they owned slaves, therefore this song is about slavery"
"He got that Plantation RIZZ..."
😂😂😂😂
Notice how anthony closes his eyes in smugness whenever he explains to us how racist this song is
‘The songs racism is so subtle and genius no one gets it’ -Fantano
It's a dog whistle, meaning I'm the dog
well the guy is white, singing in a southern accent, so he must find the racism at all costs
The concept that someone pretty smart who just pays attention can perfectly predict everything these vaushites say is very telling.
This would be a fun game show. Maybe family feud style.
@@Bennyboypwnsi would fawkin' love that
I don't think it is, you could probably do that with destiny pretty easily too. Knowing someone's worldview means you can guess how they feel about X topic and be right most of the time, not a shock tbh.
@@Bennyboypwns Vaush bingo?
You can do that with most talking heads tbh and certainly anyone who subscribes completely to being a 'liberal' or 'conservative'. For example, loads of conservatives are now disowning and questioning oliver because he said the song wasn't explicitly about Biden and that diversity is a good thing and that the US was a 'melting pot'. It's quite funny reading the comments.
The problem with art is everyone has their own interpretation of everyone else’s art. And even when they straight up tell you what the the songs books poems are about is the people interpreting it always want it to be a put what they think. This guy is just using his own conclusions to push his own agenda.
As a northerner firmly planted in the dwindling middle class, I don't at all feel like OA's lyrics were targeting me, and instead target rich federal politicians in DC. Maybe you can only see it as North v South, if you're a far-left hack.
Destiny is right. I'm from Massachusetts, and I knew that rich men north of Richmond ment DC, but I'm also well versed with maps, and politically well informed. He was not drawing a line between north and south (even tho I also view greater DC as the modern day north/ south line). And he never even mentioned right vs left or anything like that. He just said politicians in general are fucking Americans in general. The song is something almost everyone can relate to.
yeah you have to reach so far to get their
Fantano used to have a second channel called THATISTHEPLAN where he would upload random cheap skits, memes and his podcast He used to dunk on communists, sjws a lot, republicans too, but he was more open to mocking the more extreme leftist types, not that he really took a position himself. Then in 2017, a music outlet called TheFader put a hit piece out on him, mostly pointing at the fact Fantano did a podcast with Sam Hyde, and Sam had just had his adultswim show canceled if I remember correct. Sam made some pretty outlandish claims like "white people invented hiphop, black people need to pipe down" as he giggled. It being sam hyde you have no clue if he's serious, regardless fantano didn't really call him out on it. Basically they linked fantano as being aligned with the alt-right, which wasn't good for a white dude who reviews mostly hiphop and has made a successful career off it. He abruptly deleted that alt channel, claiming it was because it "didn't make him money" and immediately thereafter, the guy was just suffering from Trump derangement syndrome and signaling to the left like crazy.
He was never a conservative, he definitely wasn't alt-right, that really was a bullshit hitpiece on him, but it did put the fear in him. That's when I believe (in my opinion) he made this weird "woke" whatever you want to call it pivot. I remember a lot of kind of random but blue checkmark soundcloud type rappers (black dudes) saying F him when that article dropped, calling him a culture vulture.
No shit I had no idea makes sense the dude is so cringe now
Man I remember that bc that second channel was so good
In general, Fantano was closer to the edgy, quasi-alt-right side of the internet back then. He interviewed Sargon in a different episode of the same podcast, and I think he was in JonTron's general circle back when he started dropping race realist talking points.
Yep. Thatistheplan was an actually funny channel - a tamer (but still a bit edgy) version of that era of TH-cam. That Fader article activated a switch; though, I suppose it also could have just been the escalation of politics in those years too. Either way, he seemed to lose his sense of humor and join the trope of overtly-progressive music critic having had that association with Sam Hyde and edgier comedy. And unfortunately, you can see the political bias when analyzing the song when the first associations were confederate nostalgia and not the ongoing issues in the area that is the capital of the country.
Yep that's usually what woke refers to
Fantano said obesity isn't the problem. Uh pal, heart disease is our leading cause of death.
"Nuh-uh! It's guns because I don't like guns. Checkmate you literal Nazi."
@@shinobi-no-bueno What's it like being stuck in 2010?
That Vaush take was CRAZY
He’s made stupid takes before but this is up there
I've never heard of Vaush before, but that was so ridiculous it seemed like satire
Yup, that'd be him allright
That's just the tip of the Vaush iceberg of ridiculousness
What is all this nonsense I doubt you barely exist as a being hahahaha to be fair you could be right but I saw no evidence of this.
How was it though? It's completely DISgust... it took Destiny 6 to 6 1/2 minutes to get to the point where Vaush actually criticised anything in the song, after 2/3 of the video was taken up by Hasan, Vaush said something which was a little stupid but surely was taken out of context? After which the fool glowed up and chuntered for about two minutes, there was some noise that both made which I didn't quite hear as spoken English, and after all that he played a Vaush video that had absolutely nothing WhatsoeveR to do with Oliver Anthony in particular. In conclusion, I don't think that this was in context and the guy has a target onback.
What are we if we are not beings on the 'net though? Food for thought.
Even if Vaush is correct about him being astroturfed, it's still not a compelling argument. The song still has to resonate with listeners to blow up. Millions of dollars get pumped into promoting songs that go nowhere every week.
@@michaelthompson7217how is this an L for vaush? He was correct.
Interestingly enough, that video even changed vaush opinion of Oliver Anthony as a person.
@@michaelthompson7217 He did the same thing with the bike lady. But at least he’s willing to correct mistakes and admit when he was wrong.
Fantano would be shaking if he met Oliver Anthony and he called him out for that ignoramus and dumb statement. Dude is like a 6’6” ogre
Wooooow my man actually thought “Rich men north of Richmond” was literally only politicians from states north of Richmond. Thats beyond smooth brain.
As a fellow former student of music, I would like to address your point at 22:40.
Country music has had and still does have a bunch of liberal country singers such as Johnny Cash, Taylor Swift, Sheryl Crow, Willie Nelson, Loretta Lynn, The Chicks, Kacey Musgraves, Steve Earle, and I'm only really naming the mainstream liberal country musicians that I know. Sure, there are a lot of conservative country musicians such as Hank Williams, Hank Williams Jr, Toby Keith, Kid Rock, Merle Haggard, Jason Aldean, and quite a few others that I don't know as well, but make no mistake. There are liberal country musicians too.
It's less that "there was a time when country music wasn't conservative", and more that "some country musicians are more liberal, and some are more conservative".
Taylor swift is country? Yeah like 10 years ago what u on about blud
She's more of an example of country pop crossover (like Kacey Musgraves). In my book, if an artist (like Taylor Swift) made a significant amount of country/folk music in their career (which she has considering albums like Taylor Swift, Fearless, Speak Now, Red, Folklore, and Evermore), but later changed genres on later albums, I still count that artist as being a part of Country music history and therefore part of the genre. For instance, just because Willie Nelson made that jazz album in 1978 called Stardust, that doesn't mean he's now a 'jazz musician'. He's still based in Country music. Admittedly yah, since the 2010's, Taylor has undeniably gone more pop, but she has made country music, and may continue to make country music as she gets older.