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That is highly debatable. Inflation breakevens have not been rising significantly recently, and neither have commodity markets (both tend to track inflation trends well)
Government spending has been keeping the stock market rising the last two years. When the presidency switches hands, if the spending doesn’t continue we may see a large drop.
We need the drop. Whichever happens, the lower class is getting screwed. High taxes to support government spending, or economic volatility, high unemployment, and recession. We need a good equalization imo
I highly doubt the incoming commission will slow down the economy in such a pivotal time, when we are on the verge of a technological breakthrough that will change everything overnight, and the stakes to master this technology before China are so high. The feedback loop from the pressure these companies have for performance - to continously outdo their rivals in a ferocious race for shareholder money to continue to expand infrastructure/spend on innovation etc
3 month yield is NOT durectly controlled by the Fed. Similarly to the 10Y yield the 3 month yield is defined by the market. The Fed controls the overnight rate
I think you guys should do a video on the reason the 10 year yield is rising. IMHO, it's not US speculators, it's foreign governments that are using US treasuries as a safe and liquid asset. China and Japan being at the top of the list by far. Their currencies and economies are not doing very well vs. the US, and they are having to sell their US treasuries to make up the difference to raise enough capital to fill the export-import deficit. And tariffs will only add fuel to the fire.
Love these explanations on how and why things work as they do in the finacial markets. Explain it to me in a way that i can understand. Thank you very much!
We had two consecutive negative quarters in 2023. We already had a recession. It's just the NBER never acknowledged it. We're now in a double-dip recession or should I say depression. What the market is experiencing is the opposite of what the rest of America is experiencing.
Wrong!! The 10-year rate is rising because bond traders are fearful of, excessive US government borrowing which will require the debt to be issued at higher interest rates and inflation. It is not a reflection of rosy expectations for the economy!
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Uninverted yield curve happens all the time, but recessions don’t. While true that an uninverted yield curve precedes a recession, not all uninverted yield curves signal a recession. Just look at how many uninverted yield curves are in the charts you’re presenting where there was no recession…
Once the tariffs go in and the fed raises rates I expect a lot of this to come crashing back I could easily see the Dow losing 50% in like 2-3 days might be sometime in late February but markets can be slow to react so it’s hard to tell
What I've learned is that you can paper over a recession, but at the cost of inflation and at the end of the day no matter what any politician or economist says, it will show up as an increase in National Debt which to me is the ultimate truth teller.
The reason why the 10Y yield is going up now is that the folks have realized that the interest rate will go down slower than expected. The reason is NOT that the market predicts bright future for the US economy short-term
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The job market is much worse than what the stats tell us. Government employment has been increasing by a lot in the last 1-2 years but in the private sector jobs are getting cut. How are these government jobs financed? With debt which equals inflation. It's a different form of QE. We are clearly in late cycle
Recessions reduce demand for long term borrowing, but a reduction in supply of capital can force borrowers tooffers higher interest rates. Public sector borrowers (who are less recession sensitive) maybe in the process of crowding out private sector borrowers.
Rise in Treasury yield is actually a bad sign. It indicates that the buyers don’t trust the government to pay back the debt and hence higher yields expectations. It also indicates that the government is going to spend massively and cause inflation and market is pricing that in
Interesting that bond yields are moving up while unemployment rises. Could this actually signal more time before a recession, or are we just delaying the inevitable? 💼💸
What if the bond market tells us that stagflation is coming? The reinversion of the rates indicates coming recession and higher yields only indicate that inflation will stay at higher levels..
Credit card delinquencies are at an all time high. Alongside Trump has said he's going to start making Millions of Americans start making payments on their education debt again. I'm sure they'll help an already struggling economy, pulling an additional hundreds if not thousands of dollars out of average American monthly bank accounts. This depression is going to be EPIC. Will Trump flip off his base and enact progressive economic policies or will he enact the austerity measures we all expect and trigger a depression.
There are plenty of scenarios on how the economic bubble will pop. It's only a matter of time. It would have been the same thing regardless who won the election, but what matters is the response to the economic downturn. It's gonna get bad and the country (and world) is not ready for it.
You think not paying college loans has no affect on the economy? By that standard, nobody should pay any loan back. That would really stimulate things. Bwhaaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa
So basically a recession is in the cards but the stock market will still grow in the foreseeable future? Probably a crazy blow off top 2025 and recession in 2026?
Employment could anticipate the tariffs and the need for more employees then. Second reason could be the rising numbers of employees in the government. This has to be taken in account to assess the employment numbers.
Our last "recession" brought about the most massive capital increase in the history of the world, with assets of all types soaring in price over the next few years. Do people still think we should fear recessions? Ha! What you should be doing is INVESTING. Go long or go wrong.
You guys should do a video on the great depression, and how countries implement a tight monetary policy to try and get the gold convertibility rates back on track in the late 1920s, to pre-World War I levels. When they suspended their gold standards to fight World War I.
Sorry to tell you but there will be no more inflation, the consumer is absolutely crushed currently. The only thing that is helping the consumer right now are asset prices which are the last thing needed to be dropped in order to guarantee we have no inflation issues moving forwards. Remember, the fed will tell you they dont wanna crush the market but their main concern in general is inflation in the end. They cut rates, they would not risk cutting if they believed inflation could be a problem.
No sane investor will keep lending to the government for 10 or 30 years at these rates. The rates on the long end will explode higher because of inflation caused by government spending. Hyperinflation here we go!
I'd be more worried if it's a bull steepener uninversion. Right now, it's a bear steepener uninversion with the 10Y yield going up and killing long bonds.
Well, I think it means that people are demanding a higher interest rate for having money 10 years out because all of bonds our government has been selling
Until the steepness is approaching 2006 I do not care. Market go up. They will bleed bears dry. Once the steepness is finally in recession territory, the bears will be gone. We are young in this cycle. Normalization of the curve has nothing to do with it. That's when it begins. The yield curve when it cannot be SUPPORTED by the economy is the real issue. We aren't even CLOSE yet. Free advice to my fellow men. Don't stay poor, don't listen to the fear, don't listen to the news they use to control you, listen to the inflows/outflows.
I don't buy the logic that, because the 10 year yield is trending up the recession is delayed. With a Trump presidency, there are likely surprise shocks that could disrupt the trend.
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Worry when:
1. 10-year treasury drops a lot
2. Unemployment rate goes up a lot
The 10y is not rising on economic growth certainty, but rather on inflation expectations.
That is highly debatable. Inflation breakevens have not been rising significantly recently, and neither have commodity markets (both tend to track inflation trends well)
Government spending has been keeping the stock market rising the last two years. When the presidency switches hands, if the spending doesn’t continue we may see a large drop.
We need the drop. Whichever happens, the lower class is getting screwed. High taxes to support government spending, or economic volatility, high unemployment, and recession. We need a good equalization imo
You are correct.
New job creation is also exclusively government funded jobs. I suspect the unemployment is much higher then what is being reported.
I highly doubt the incoming commission will slow down the economy in such a pivotal time, when we are on the verge of a technological breakthrough that will change everything overnight, and the stakes to master this technology before China are so high. The feedback loop from the pressure these companies have for performance - to continously outdo their rivals in a ferocious race for shareholder money to continue to expand infrastructure/spend on innovation etc
Trump will keep spending. Has to. Otherwise the U.S. empire will fall.
3 month yield is NOT durectly controlled by the Fed. Similarly to the 10Y yield the 3 month yield is defined by the market. The Fed controls the overnight rate
I think you guys should do a video on the reason the 10 year yield is rising. IMHO, it's not US speculators, it's foreign governments that are using US treasuries as a safe and liquid asset. China and Japan being at the top of the list by far. Their currencies and economies are not doing very well vs. the US, and they are having to sell their US treasuries to make up the difference to raise enough capital to fill the export-import deficit. And tariffs will only add fuel to the fire.
Love these explanations on how and why things work as they do in the finacial markets. Explain it to me in a way that i can understand. Thank you very much!
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We had two consecutive negative quarters in 2023. We already had a recession. It's just the NBER never acknowledged it. We're now in a double-dip recession or should I say depression. What the market is experiencing is the opposite of what the rest of America is experiencing.
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Wrong!! The 10-year rate is rising because bond traders are fearful of, excessive US government borrowing which will require the debt to be issued at higher interest rates and inflation. It is not a reflection of rosy expectations for the economy!
All the thanks you guys just gave; right back at you guys!🙏
I would not be where I am today w/o having learneded so much from yous guys!… seriously tho, Thank you for everything you guys do, and let’s have another banger year!
Happy New Year Team
Man i have heard 3 ir 4 explanations of this and yours is the best and clearest and finally helped me understand it fully. Thank you!🎉
Uninverted yield curve happens all the time, but recessions don’t. While true that an uninverted yield curve precedes a recession, not all uninverted yield curves signal a recession. Just look at how many uninverted yield curves are in the charts you’re presenting where there was no recession…
Let it crash, so i can buy on discount
This was one of your best, really great informative video.
Once the tariffs go in and the fed raises rates I expect a lot of this to come crashing back I could easily see the Dow losing 50% in like 2-3 days might be sometime in late February but markets can be slow to react so it’s hard to tell
What I've learned is that you can paper over a recession, but at the cost of inflation and at the end of the day no matter what any politician or economist says, it will show up as an increase in National Debt which to me is the ultimate truth teller.
Finally someone covered this
You. Are. Brilliant. Mr Bravos.
The reason why the 10Y yield is going up now is that the folks have realized that the interest rate will go down slower than expected. The reason is NOT that the market predicts bright future for the US economy short-term
Amazing content. You are still the best! It's been a year since I found ways to improve my finances and by working with a recognized professional, I was able to achieve financial independence. I have to say this; "As long as you have determination and work hard, you can achieve anything you set your mind to."
How do you find recognized professionals?
The job market is much worse than what the stats tell us. Government employment has been increasing by a lot in the last 1-2 years but in the private sector jobs are getting cut.
How are these government jobs financed? With debt which equals inflation. It's a different form of QE.
We are clearly in late cycle
Recessions reduce demand for long term borrowing, but a reduction in supply of capital can force borrowers tooffers higher interest rates. Public sector borrowers (who are less recession sensitive) maybe in the process of crowding out private sector borrowers.
hot take, but i don't think yield reversions are a reliable indicator in a world with a more aggressive fed.
Rise in Treasury yield is actually a bad sign. It indicates that the buyers don’t trust the government to pay back the debt and hence higher yields expectations.
It also indicates that the government is going to spend massively and cause inflation and market is pricing that in
Always very nice examination and intel.
Interesting that bond yields are moving up while unemployment rises. Could this actually signal more time before a recession, or are we just delaying the inevitable? 💼💸
What if the bond market tells us that stagflation is coming? The reinversion of the rates indicates coming recession and higher yields only indicate that inflation will stay at higher levels..
Can't quite get my head around which is cause which is effect 😅
I'm loving all this optimism, that is when the market will come down. Stay optimistic my friends, recession is far off
@7:14 extending the recession until when?
Credit card delinquencies are at an all time high. Alongside Trump has said he's going to start making Millions of Americans start making payments on their education debt again. I'm sure they'll help an already struggling economy, pulling an additional hundreds if not thousands of dollars out of average American monthly bank accounts.
This depression is going to be EPIC.
Will Trump flip off his base and enact progressive economic policies or will he enact the austerity measures we all expect and trigger a depression.
There are plenty of scenarios on how the economic bubble will pop. It's only a matter of time. It would have been the same thing regardless who won the election, but what matters is the response to the economic downturn.
It's gonna get bad and the country (and world) is not ready for it.
You think not paying college loans has no affect on the economy? By that standard, nobody should pay any loan back. That would really stimulate things. Bwhaaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa
What about the possibility of stagflation?
10y-3mo doesn't give you a yield curve, it gives you a spread.
So basically a recession is in the cards but the stock market will still grow in the foreseeable future? Probably a crazy blow off top 2025 and recession in 2026?
Employment could anticipate the tariffs and the need for more employees then. Second reason could be the rising numbers of employees in the government. This has to be taken in account to assess the employment numbers.
They just didn't announce it yet
They will not announce it , that's where the tricky part is , we have already been in recession.
Very helpful. Thank you
Our last "recession" brought about the most massive capital increase in the history of the world, with assets of all types soaring in price over the next few years. Do people still think we should fear recessions? Ha! What you should be doing is INVESTING. Go long or go wrong.
When is it? The Greater Recession?
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Great video
Man I've been waiting for this
Just subscribed , great job
Great video!
Actually, since the Economy is bifurcated, the yes, the lower and working class is already in a recession
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Nice job.
You guys should do a video on the great depression, and how countries implement a tight monetary policy to try and get the gold convertibility rates back on track in the late 1920s, to pre-World War I levels. When they suspended their gold standards to fight World War I.
Happy new year 🎉
Sorry to tell you but there will be no more inflation, the consumer is absolutely crushed currently. The only thing that is helping the consumer right now are asset prices which are the last thing needed to be dropped in order to guarantee we have no inflation issues moving forwards. Remember, the fed will tell you they dont wanna crush the market but their main concern in general is inflation in the end. They cut rates, they would not risk cutting if they believed inflation could be a problem.
No sane investor will keep lending to the government for 10 or 30 years at these rates. The rates on the long end will explode higher because of inflation caused by government spending. Hyperinflation here we go!
I'd be more worried if it's a bull steepener uninversion. Right now, it's a bear steepener uninversion with the 10Y yield going up and killing long bonds.
I hate this market it's pumped and dumb beyond belief
They need to lower the rates like crazy in order to release the Bonds so that flows into the economy
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Well, I think it means that people are demanding a higher interest rate for having money 10 years out because all of bonds our government has been selling
Many many thanks.
Won't be a market crash until AI narrative is over. That will happen when Nvidia misses earning
2020-2024 showed that if the federal government can deficit spend, essentially without limit, then recessions can be postponed indefinitely.
For the first time in history the market is working independently of the American peoples spending habits. I dont see a good outcome here.
Until the steepness is approaching 2006 I do not care.
Market go up. They will bleed bears dry.
Once the steepness is finally in recession territory, the bears will be gone. We are young in this cycle. Normalization of the curve has nothing to do with it. That's when it begins.
The yield curve when it cannot be SUPPORTED by the economy is the real issue. We aren't even CLOSE yet.
Free advice to my fellow men. Don't stay poor, don't listen to the fear, don't listen to the news they use to control you, listen to the inflows/outflows.
Waiting to see if the new admin does actually implement sweeping tariffs on China and Mexico. If they do, well, there's your recession.
so the clock is ticking?
Stock market needs a 70% correction eheheh
One of the best explanations I have seen. Thanks
I don't buy the logic that, because the 10 year yield is trending up the recession is delayed. With a Trump presidency, there are likely surprise shocks that could disrupt the trend.
It will happen in 2026
interesting
Can the economy just crash already
The market only goes up
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Prepare for a severe recession.
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