IsoAcoustics Vs Auralex Foam vs Fluid Audio || How Important is Isolation for Speakers & Monitors?

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  • @propercushty
    @propercushty  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    SO WHICH SPEAKER ISOLATOR DID YOU THINK WAS THE BEST? I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS!
    I ALSO REVIEWED THE ISOACOUSTICS ISO-130 HERE ---> th-cam.com/video/RCWNGHfyBw4/w-d-xo.html
    MORE VIDEOS COMING! AS MENTIONED IN THE VIDEO I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF UPGRADING MY PRODUCTION ROOM ETC
    TAKE CARE GUYS AND GALS
    - MDT

    • @assshakerstudios549
      @assshakerstudios549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Isoacoustics without a doubt. However for "The Best" isolation....you cannot escape physics in this matter. Which mean's the more mass you have the better your isolation will be!!!! For instance instead of putting your speakers on your desk, they should be off the desk on heavy stands(100lbs or more, the heavier the stands, or more mass the stands have, the better!). So you'll see many people will use concrete cinder blocks, which are great and will typically be better than most stands costing upward of $1000. Point is though that Isoacoustics makes an metal stand that's more expensive but is metal so it will work better than the plastic ones! So if you want "The Best" for table top stands like these, you'll want an all metal or stone design! However since the metal can ring, you'll want rubber with it, or some sort of Mass Loaded Vinyl barrier between the stand and your speakers, and also the stand and your desk! I however did appreciate the fact that you included audio with your test. However in the future could you include the microphone you used, and could you please make sure you include whether you measured for "listening position" from speakers, and height position from desk for each different speaker? As all the stands are different heights so the position of the mic is very important. Thanks.

    • @EasyHeat
      @EasyHeat ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With no acoustic treatment, in an empty and highly reflective room? This test is basically useless. Just sayin'. With no acoustic treatment, in an empty and highly reflective room? This test is basically useless. No disrespect my dude, and...
      I'm saying that mind you, not to just be some negative unknowing comment thread troll, but more rather because of very important and measurable physics variables pertaining to wavelength phasing, cone filtering, and standing low frequency nodes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      With all of that said tho? I genuinely did appreciate the effort put forth, and if anything?
      You honest did somewhat help me decide to save some coin and spring for a pair of Fluid Audio DS8s for the Kali Audio LP-8 monitors I've been working from home on to mix.
      Perhaps this demo was potentially geared more for the listening audiophile enthusiast and not so much for a mixing enthusiast like myself? I dunno...
      If so? My bad, but regardless, and as a genuine token of respect for potentially having made you read all of my longwinded nerdishness?
      I went ahead and hit that subscribe button mi amigo.
      Cheers!
      🤓🖖

  • @user-lc1sz3ij4j
    @user-lc1sz3ij4j 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    ISO sound more transparent, I hear every transient. Foam sounds more muddy, but more thick. Great review, thanks! Greetings from Ukraine 😉🙏🏻

  • @nosurname9652
    @nosurname9652 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hmm clearly hearable difference... Thanks for video, find it's useful.

  • @teeblack06
    @teeblack06 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i have the IsoAcoustics and love them. also love that you can tilt them.

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i now have the isopucks which I also think are awesome :)

  • @JC-bl9bo
    @JC-bl9bo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just ordered these today, the Fluid Audio ones but for a different situation, home theater system for my surrounds. Getting them tomorrow.

  • @bug3946
    @bug3946 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The effort for the test is appreciated, but it is not at all a comparison that can help to define if it is better auralex foam or isoacoustic/fluid bases, since you are doing it at different heights, with the isoacoustic/fluid the tweeters are at the height of the microphones representing the "ears" and the foam is below the "ears", therefore what is at the height of the tweeters, will always sound better in microphones .... The test does not help to know which material produces less vibration on the desk, which is basically what you are looking for with this type of materials and if you were looking to make a fair and more "scientific" comparison you needed to solve so that the foam was at the same height of the Isoacustics and same position.

  • @gregs6424
    @gregs6424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fluid sounded best, but not the most attractive looking. Not sure I want to see that on my desk every day. Haha. ISO had less decay on the drums and reverb, as you noted (great observation!). However, that doesn't mean it is less accurate. It actually might mean the opposite. Could be that the Fluid has less stability, which transfers the vibrations more than the ISO, which is causing the extended decay. As for the foam pads, they just soak up too much of the highs. Might sound easier on the ears, but might also be less accurate. Just my thoughts. Thanks for the detailed review! Keep it up!

  • @EekItsYouRS
    @EekItsYouRS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow this is amazing man thanks for this. Those IsoAcoustic stands are a must have for music production....... you've sold me.

  • @ronfrancois
    @ronfrancois 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Isoacoustics are far and away the most transparent and tight solution. Your instincts on which example tracks to use were spot on. The difference is ISOLATION and yeah I reckon it's worth the money if translation matters.

  • @ian__wilson
    @ian__wilson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for making this video - I can appreciate the time which must have gone into putting it all together. Useful for me in helping to decide the best solution for my set up.

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for noticing! It does take time but when I receive a comment like yours it makes me continue with a happy heart!
      Thanks again and good luck with your set up!

  • @luqmanhakim6432
    @luqmanhakim6432 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Bro i got a suggestion. Use a glass of water but put the glass on the table. Since these devices were designed to decouple the speaker from the surface it sits on e.g. the table, the device which transfer less vibration to the table should be the best. Please let me know if you retest them. I'm in the mood to buy iso acoustic one but waiting for your result

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks so much for the suggestion. I will use this test methodology in future videos!

    • @hectorosbert
      @hectorosbert ปีที่แล้ว

      @@propercushty The good old Jurassic Park test.

  • @Bob2017
    @Bob2017 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just spent the last hour or so looking for info on speaker stands that narrowed it down to exactly these options and this was absolutely the most useful thing I came across. Thanks! (Going with the Isoacoustics)

  • @tyjakkty8668
    @tyjakkty8668 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i think the only set that sounds naff is the foam set as they absorb alot of the sound just purchased a pair of Fluid Audio DS8 and im happy and half the price of the isoacoustics...great video cheers

  • @patriktakacs
    @patriktakacs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Missed: coin test without isolation :)
    High-hat difference was the most audible on an AKG K712 like yours. But as you said, room acoustics.. Thank nevertheless!

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha! I did think about that, but to be honest I was scared of scratching the underside of the speakers 😂😂😂
      Yeah it's tough to say for sure as the room acoustics suck at the moment, but I guess they're all present in the same room and I'm sure there was a clear difference in some of those tracks (especially tracks with many layers)

  • @AntoanKurttwan
    @AntoanKurttwan ปีที่แล้ว +23

    My friend first you need to make your room treatment kill that reverb before you start making something about audio studio stuff your room is disaster

    • @mistadobalina3495
      @mistadobalina3495 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      pretty close to the walls right? might be some reflections from the desk (tho its close to the edge). I figure there is no audio treating on the walls also.
      Anyway, can you actually hear the disaster in the recording here?

    • @mistadobalina3495
      @mistadobalina3495 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also, just noticed we were both watching the video at the same time. I commented 1 minute after your comment was posted.
      Haha I like that coincidence. I HAVENT SEEN IT before posting my reply to you.

    • @AntoanKurttwan
      @AntoanKurttwan ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha crazy your here for the same stuff than for the stands right lol anyway I find this so weird guy talks about audio but his room has so much reflection horrible thing he need to treat that room asap

    • @VegasVaron
      @VegasVaron ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahaha….

  • @TomsCoffeeCorner
    @TomsCoffeeCorner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey man, nice video! I appreciate the effort that goes into these comparisons. I just got the PreSonus 3.5s and I was wondering what I should do to isolate them. €100 for stands costs more than the active speakers, so that's hard to justify, but I am sure the sound would be much improved! Cheers!

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Tom (I presume it's Tom and not 'Coffee Corner' lol).
      I totally get where you're coming from and this is a dilemma that many face in the initial stages of the setup.
      I would say that the isolation pads do make a difference (the IsoAcoustics pucks are my favourite) - however, they are expensive.
      What gets me over the fence is if I were to buy the isoAcoustics version, then at least I'll be able to keep those for future setups. They'll never go out of date and if you buy used then you can't really lose as they should retain most of their value.
      If you think you are not likely to upgrade your speakers to more serious ones in the future, then perhaps get whatever makes the most sense - I agree spending more on isolators than the speakers themselves is probably not the best idea.
      I'd rather use the budget to buy better speakers!
      I hope this helps

  • @bigtony7807
    @bigtony7807 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    isoacoustics gives more dynamics to the sound

  • @ChouChouDer
    @ChouChouDer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Which do you think is better? At first I thought it was Fluid Audio because I could hear all the details of the instruments. Then I felt that the Fluid Audio version sounded a little unbalanced. The percussion instruments were always too loud. Now I'm not too sure which one is better.

  • @user-fx8yd3nd9j
    @user-fx8yd3nd9j 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very useful, I think any vibration guage apps(with your phone) may do better their job than a coin test can do. : )

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      didn't even know that existed - thanks for sharing buddy!

  • @asetone
    @asetone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    super useful review, cool work man, you are very natural and i can feel you really love what you do, perfecto ! +1 for me thanks !

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the kind words :)

  • @theocorfiatis8456
    @theocorfiatis8456 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thoughts ..... Very hard to hear differences when the room acoustics dominate. I'm guessing you used your camera / cellphone ? mic to record this ...... The mic sounded very omnidirectional, so the room acoustics dominated. But all that aside, the Fluid Audio had the punchiest / tightest bass. IsoAcoustics were a close second, and Auralex sounded way less good than the other two stands in every way (the bass was not punchy at all and the high mids and up were much more attenuated). But there's no way to judge these stands objectively unless the test is done under controlled conditions. So yea ... I'm really none the wiser after listening to this.

    • @Ilove1073s
      @Ilove1073s 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      well, yes the room is not treated but the result wouldn't change tho. The purpose of these pads is to separate the speakers from the desk. We can clearly hear that the foam one gets you a more "muddy" result because it doesn't separate as well and makes the desk resonate more, both speakers are creating a resonance on the desk and room acoustics won't change that

  • @calikokat100
    @calikokat100 ปีที่แล้ว

    your reviews are excellent...answered so many of my questions

  • @legion2252
    @legion2252 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Спасибо за честный тест

  • @davistaishi
    @davistaishi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    when you're using iso, does it make a difference with the longer tube?

  • @christopherzerbe
    @christopherzerbe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm guessing reviewing monitor stands on how "re-sellable they are" is not something a vast majority here are interested in...

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol well I am so glad you speak for the vast majority then 😂.
      Do you run a consultancy service? Next time I'll run these videos by you before I publish them 😉

    • @Ali_Seraj
      @Ali_Seraj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@propercushty i found it really helpful,, i bought the Fluid Audio DS5 yesterday from amazon for my yamaha hs5 studio monitors , and i'm expecting them soon

  • @mattjackson1732
    @mattjackson1732 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve got my monitors on stands with foam between them, would these as well be pointless or ?

  • @rikshaw2233
    @rikshaw2233 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro! You didn't do a Control test, (Speakers on the table, without an isolation device). On my Headphones, Acoustic Audio was best for clarity. Best Regards.

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  ปีที่แล้ว

      you make a good point actually..maybe i should have done a control as you say
      but..
      .. the idea was to compare if expensive isolation stands (isoacoustics) make any difference compared to cheap ones (fluid audio and auralex foam)
      ..and i believe the answer is yes - it does make a difference

    • @MaZEEZaM
      @MaZEEZaM 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@propercushty for those of us who are completely new to sound isolation platforms, it would be very informative to hear the before and after each isolation product, ie control before listening to each product. That way it would be most informative as to whether we prefer the sound with or without each product. As it stands...we get to hear whether we like the sound of the system with those products in use but without the control, we don't know if we would prefer the sound without any isolation at all.

  • @louissilvani1389
    @louissilvani1389 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe some vibration is good different school of thought .

    • @dazzlerweb
      @dazzlerweb ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, there is no sound without vibrations, but it's desired to have intended vibrations created by the speaker drivers/cabinets and not impacted through placement/positioning environment.

  • @ffash995
    @ffash995 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    are stands meant to toss more bass towards you instead of the surface they are sitting on? Does it adjust highs & Mids at all?

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      the idea of a stand is to either couple speakers to the floor, or decouple them. Coupling would involve the use of spikes and this would aid excess energy from the speaker cabinet to be transferred to the room. Decoupling would be isolating the speaker from the ground and it really depends on your speakers/environment which approach would be best.
      The end result is that the audio is cleaner, stereo image better with less smear.
      I tend to notice that the biggest advantage is for the bass when using stands or isolators.
      The other advantage is getting the right stand height to get the speaker to the correct height with respect to your ears - that will help alot with mids and highs

  • @AdriFlashBack
    @AdriFlashBack 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My question is, is it worth it for me to buy foam vs having the speakers on the table?

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      if those were the options then i'd rather fashion an isolator myself - like those small rubber feet you can get from amazon. I don't think the foam made much difference. Most important thing by far though is getting the speakers set at the right height

  • @discomyass
    @discomyass ปีที่แล้ว

    yeah just to be fair the auralex foam its very different than the crapy foam you got over there

  • @tech4life884
    @tech4life884 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here in The United States we use the Metric system. Europe uses the imperial system.

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i think you better fact check yourself on google bud cause i'm afraid you're talking right out your butt at the moment

  • @darrencheng5595
    @darrencheng5595 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Instead of coin test, why don't you try to put a glass of water? It's easier to tell by looking at the waves

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      that is an excellent idea - I appreciate your help! Though the water would have to be very precisely measured I guess.
      I will try and incorporate this into my future videos!

  • @LaGataNegra3073
    @LaGataNegra3073 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Change the title of your vid if the item you are reviewing is not auralex brand.

  • @musicforthemind3421
    @musicforthemind3421 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Worst test EVER.

    • @propercushty
      @propercushty  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what a plonker

    • @tyjakkty8668
      @tyjakkty8668 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@propercushty lol

    • @musicforthemind3421
      @musicforthemind3421 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​@@propercushtyOnly a wally would use a word "plonker". Its 2023 not 1980