The Health System in New Zealand has been on the Rocks for decades now, regardless of who is in Government. Obviously due to longterm mismanagement and also due to our population increasing. Same issues with ROADING infrastructure too. When NZs population was around 2.5 million we coped well. But we increased our numbers faster than we could keep up with. Every future Govt will keep inheriting the same problems.
Thanks team. Good line "The govt ministers start to think it's the media versus them. That is not what's going on there, they are speaking to New Zealanders through the media". Great explanation. The public DOES want to know, and we can spot a lie and lose trust pretty pretty pretty pretty quickly...
The first one, yeah. The second... Kiwi's did vote in National and ACT. Anyone who looked at the budgets could see their ideas weren't based in reality and could only result in borrowing to carry out. A lot of new zealanders fell for their promises even though the media told them straight up what was most likely to happen
The lowest paid dental officer, not a specialist, is paid $142.000 a year. Also paying people fair wage, paid by tax of people that arnt on a fair wage, doesn't sound fair to me! Is underfunding the issue? Or overpaid staff the issue?A dental officer being paid $142,000 a year, imagine what a manager of one of the many departments is paid!?😊 these are tax payer funded services. Yes its great hospital staff then get an extra 7% of their wages to be on call, but maybe seriously looking at the wages of these higher ups and seeing how many and what they get paid may answer the funding allocations and why we dont see outcomes for patients
The sticker on Hana's laptop was a Toitu Te Tiriti sticker that the Act party member asked the speaker to be removed, and then Dave Seymour turned Karen when the speaker enforced the terms they(Act) asked for about Hana's sticker, to their little ACT broaches to remove them and they had cry baby tantrum refusing to remove them . Self-righteous pride
seriously seymour started being cocky and getting his way, but as soon as events go against him he is a snarky schoolboy, and what Chhour is going about is a bit of smoke screen that they are still not addressing 5 00 odd kids protection etc and ministry cutting cost and not explaining what they doing with boot camp etc
This govt really don't communicate well, and a lot of cutting, without any plans put in place. I love the media tackle the narrative (luxon dodges questions)and get them to commit, magic word when.
These news people are all so brilliant, they know everything, why don't you go run the hospitals, than we will see what sort of a mess we would be in, totally sick of Journalists, Newspapers and TV news with your lot going on and on, just jump on everything this Government does one minute after they after they announce it Jenna Lynch, Tova O'Brien two dramatics if I've seen anything, just don't watch this rubbish anymore, you are totally ridiculous, go get a proper job
It's been asked and answered but no one likes the solution - which is impractical for us to carry out as a nation right now. Successive government's have been cutting services since the 90's, usually national cuts a heap which breaks the system, then labour refunds the programs it can and tries to add the ones we need for a modern medical industry. That's been the history of the last 30 years, mate. Look at just the last 7 months, nearly 100 health programs across the board have been cut either directly or by cutting the organizations which run multiple ones. Key sent all our lab work to aussie and shut down the last place in NZ which made pharmaceuticals and before that in '05 they took 4 billion out of the health budget. In the 90's Shipley made hospitals charge you for getting hurt or sick. Add into that the global inflation and the fact we don't produce anything really valuable anymore, causing a low dollar, and you have the reason why it now costs so much more than before. Then of course the cost issue leads to underpaying staff, which leads to underemployment and poorer conditions which feeds the cycle of losing workers. And the longer training time thanks to better tech and techniques - in that it's mostly the limited places we allow per year, meaning limited pools of graduates. It's complicated, but the answers are well known, the people actually IN the industry have been writing about it for years now, each looking at their own small parts of it and trying to get the country to take notice. Now we have a government who "rejects" their warnings and even that there's the system is broken. Just like they did for 3 years with the homelessness crisis. It's what they do.
Haha FINALLY! someone called out you don't need a doc or medical profession to run the DHB. Because they are not qualified to be in charge, just to help run hospitals by using their qualifion..
You seem to know little about the inherent role conflict that pervades the health sector, or the inefficiency of budget accounting practices. The problems all started when the Labour Government around 1980 hired a grocer to redesign hospital management. A Mr Gillies if my memory serves me well and whom was later knighted, and who proposed the notion that Dr's weren't managers. The debacle that followed over the next three decades saw over 20 reiterations of DHB's and the proliferation of middle manager's that would surprise rabbits. Hospitals, are not for profit organizations with an inherent tripartite structure. If you think that makes for easy management you are dreaming.😂
@saxdearing3395 totally get what your saying but the same thing is happening right now with current management, and they are all medical professions. But bigger problem it's not evolving with the time. Tech/systems update was the biggest problem. There needs to be some turnover in staff for fresh ideas, If you put a doctor, they would never leave or quit management(so no new ideas) because it would look like loosing a doctor to the hospital when it's actually just a manager.
Like the program, Journalists need to ask why politicians aren't held to the same rules of conflict that many organisation boards are held to when receiving taxpayer funding. How many of these politicians have conflicts when passing policies around Housing, Smoking and many more? How many of the current government are landlords and smoke?
Costs blew up under his watch - as we were warned it was going to do by the reserve bank due to Key's loans, and his government's choice to get rid of NZ's pharmacy labs and testing labs, and global inflation. Andrew clearly wasn't the cause of the reforms which gutted the supporting medical industry in NZ and DID hold Health together after the mess was dumped at his feet. It was stupid of us to let our labs (which massively cut down the time and costs) go to aussie just because Key said it would be cheaper. It was cheaper for sure, but our health system paid for it
@@tanepukenga1421 Dumb comment! Our medical system is failing because their are too many old people,fat people, alcoholics, violent people, and druggies. And not enough doctors and not enough smart motivated people who want to become one.
You don't fix a 6 yr old Health system failure in 6 or 8 months. This might take a year or two and then along comes another Govt and around we go again. A 4 yr term might help but is not the total answer at all. Very good administrators are the answer..
Everytime labour comes in they usually spend more on health from previous govt. Everytime national comes in they make cuts and underfund and it usually goes backwards again 😂
6 years? Why lie on the net? We all know Key's National government sent our labs and labwork over to aussie, throwing up costs we can't get back without billions in investment. We also remember his wage freeze, which caused mass protests. You think in 9 years of no raises caused NOBODY to leave NZ? And him defunding and shutting down EVERY rape crisis center in the entire south island. Then before him in the 90's when Shipley made our hospitals charge people for getting injured or sick! You can bullshit all you want, but National's history with health is still a matter of public record for anyone to see
They already have been. More than one polynesian nation has entered into agreements with them, trading immigration and loans for infrastructure. It's the same way Dole got Hawaii for the states, just with concrete and plastic goods instead of crops.
The WHO are going to push digital records as well as other info incuding vaccines compliance passports onto phones. They are implementing it into 5 countries now. Greece and Germany being the main 2. England will push it through in September Nz will follow like sheep and here we go with round 2. Masks, can't buy or sell anything or go anywhere without proof you are vaccinated. Nz has billions of vaccines waiting to roll out. You of coarse can so no . And very quickly become jobless, homeless and dead. You do have a choice. I'm choosing the sentence. No.
So your commentary now on the lack of knowledge of the speaker on parliamentary procedure, is bordering on gob smacking. Procedure on both sides is dealt to. Also you're aware that the coalition was voted in by one of the biggest majorities in recent times on the issues that were tabled? what does that tell you? I know you choose to ignore these issues and racism practiced by the left and Ti Pati has been conveniently bypassed by you as well, Should Karen Chhour take time off for being called not a 'real maori' and it's ACT's responsibility? Seriously?? And Ti Pati and followers are targeting and making people intimidated to do their jobs also gets ignored. Mind you, that's the left's style. Nothing done, hand sitting, racist policies and ignoring the majority. Pretty much like straight from Uni, lefty pearl clutching apologist media we've listened to for 6 horror years. Do your job and report BOTH sides. And not the rose tinted Jacinda days you're still pining for.
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Cant wait for the next riveting episode!!
The Health System in New Zealand has been on the Rocks for decades now, regardless of who is in Government. Obviously due to longterm mismanagement and also due to our population increasing. Same issues with ROADING infrastructure too. When NZs population was around 2.5 million we coped well. But we increased our numbers faster than we could keep up with. Every future Govt will keep inheriting the same problems.
Everyone knows money floats around the top and doesn’t go to where its needed
As proven since the 1980s
As like as 2 peas in a pod.
Only Cream and Shite float to the top.
Thanks team. Good line "The govt ministers start to think it's the media versus them. That is not what's going on there, they are speaking to New Zealanders through the media". Great explanation. The public DOES want to know, and we can spot a lie and lose trust pretty pretty pretty pretty quickly...
The first one, yeah. The second... Kiwi's did vote in National and ACT. Anyone who looked at the budgets could see their ideas weren't based in reality and could only result in borrowing to carry out. A lot of new zealanders fell for their promises even though the media told them straight up what was most likely to happen
@@tanepukenga1421 True dat. You got me there. 🙃
The lowest paid dental officer, not a specialist, is paid $142.000 a year. Also paying people fair wage, paid by tax of people that arnt on a fair wage, doesn't sound fair to me! Is underfunding the issue? Or overpaid staff the issue?A dental officer being paid $142,000 a year, imagine what a manager of one of the many departments is paid!?😊 these are tax payer funded services. Yes its great hospital staff then get an extra 7% of their wages to be on call, but maybe seriously looking at the wages of these higher ups and seeing how many and what they get paid may answer the funding allocations and why we dont see outcomes for patients
The sticker on Hana's laptop was a Toitu Te Tiriti sticker that the Act party member asked the speaker to be removed, and then Dave Seymour turned Karen when the speaker enforced the terms they(Act) asked for about Hana's sticker, to their little ACT broaches to remove them and they had cry baby tantrum refusing to remove them . Self-righteous pride
seriously seymour started being cocky and getting his way, but as soon as events go against him he is a snarky schoolboy, and what Chhour is going about is a bit of smoke screen that they are still not addressing 5 00 odd kids protection etc and ministry cutting cost and not explaining what they doing with boot camp etc
Reti is out of his depth.
he kinda wasnt around for questioning when the smoke laws changed
Good objective discussion.
This govt really don't communicate well, and a lot of cutting, without any plans put in place. I love the media tackle the narrative (luxon dodges questions)and get them to commit, magic word when.
Gerry is excellent!
These news people are all so brilliant, they know everything, why don't you go run the hospitals, than we will see what sort of a mess we would be in, totally sick of Journalists, Newspapers and TV news with your lot going on and on, just jump on everything this Government does one minute after they after they announce it Jenna Lynch, Tova O'Brien two dramatics if I've seen anything, just don't watch this rubbish anymore, you are totally ridiculous, go get a proper job
I bet Gerry doesn’t want to get into a battle of what is and isn’t a pin
Maybe Brownlee thinks Seymour is just a snivelling little..
Who owns newsroom?
Someone who's losing a shitload of money because no one is watching this crap anymore 😂
Mouthpiece of Labour party!
@@raf4992 Well, you seem to be.
The health system is broken why dont you ask that question
It's been asked and answered but no one likes the solution - which is impractical for us to carry out as a nation right now.
Successive government's have been cutting services since the 90's, usually national cuts a heap which breaks the system, then labour refunds the programs it can and tries to add the ones we need for a modern medical industry. That's been the history of the last 30 years, mate. Look at just the last 7 months, nearly 100 health programs across the board have been cut either directly or by cutting the organizations which run multiple ones. Key sent all our lab work to aussie and shut down the last place in NZ which made pharmaceuticals and before that in '05 they took 4 billion out of the health budget. In the 90's Shipley made hospitals charge you for getting hurt or sick.
Add into that the global inflation and the fact we don't produce anything really valuable anymore, causing a low dollar, and you have the reason why it now costs so much more than before. Then of course the cost issue leads to underpaying staff, which leads to underemployment and poorer conditions which feeds the cycle of losing workers. And the longer training time thanks to better tech and techniques - in that it's mostly the limited places we allow per year, meaning limited pools of graduates.
It's complicated, but the answers are well known, the people actually IN the industry have been writing about it for years now, each looking at their own small parts of it and trying to get the country to take notice.
Now we have a government who "rejects" their warnings and even that there's the system is broken. Just like they did for 3 years with the homelessness crisis.
It's what they do.
Haha FINALLY! someone called out you don't need a doc or medical profession to run the DHB. Because they are not qualified to be in charge, just to help run hospitals by using their qualifion..
You seem to know little about the inherent role conflict that pervades the health sector, or the inefficiency of budget accounting practices. The problems all started when the Labour Government around 1980 hired a grocer to redesign hospital management. A Mr Gillies if my memory serves me well and whom was later knighted, and who proposed the notion that Dr's weren't managers. The debacle that followed over the next three decades saw over 20 reiterations of DHB's and the proliferation of middle manager's that would surprise rabbits. Hospitals, are not for profit organizations with an inherent tripartite structure. If you think that makes for easy management you are dreaming.😂
@saxdearing3395 totally get what your saying but the same thing is happening right now with current management, and they are all medical professions. But bigger problem it's not evolving with the time. Tech/systems update was the biggest problem. There needs to be some turnover in staff for fresh ideas, If you put a doctor, they would never leave or quit management(so no new ideas) because it would look like loosing a doctor to the hospital when it's actually just a manager.
@@saxdearing3395 also costs less to hire a qualified manager than a doctor.
Like the program, Journalists need to ask why politicians aren't held to the same rules of conflict that many organisation boards are held to when receiving taxpayer funding. How many of these politicians have conflicts when passing policies around Housing, Smoking and many more? How many of the current government are landlords and smoke?
BRICS or the US dollar?
Brics
You lost me at Andrew Little being one of the best Health Ministers. The system fell apart and costs blew up under his watch.
Too many old people and too many fat people.
You're dreadfully misinformed
Costs blew up under his watch - as we were warned it was going to do by the reserve bank due to Key's loans, and his government's choice to get rid of NZ's pharmacy labs and testing labs, and global inflation. Andrew clearly wasn't the cause of the reforms which gutted the supporting medical industry in NZ and DID hold Health together after the mess was dumped at his feet. It was stupid of us to let our labs (which massively cut down the time and costs) go to aussie just because Key said it would be cheaper. It was cheaper for sure, but our health system paid for it
@@tanepukenga1421 Dumb comment! Our medical system is failing because their are too many old people,fat people, alcoholics, violent people, and druggies. And not enough doctors and not enough smart motivated people who want to become one.
Winston is longest serving member
You don't fix a 6 yr old Health system failure in 6 or 8 months. This might take a year or two and then along comes another Govt and around we go again. A 4 yr term might help but is not the total answer at all. Very good administrators are the answer..
Everytime labour comes in they usually spend more on health from previous govt. Everytime national comes in they make cuts and underfund and it usually goes backwards again 😂
6 years? Why lie on the net?
We all know Key's National government sent our labs and labwork over to aussie, throwing up costs we can't get back without billions in investment. We also remember his wage freeze, which caused mass protests. You think in 9 years of no raises caused NOBODY to leave NZ? And him defunding and shutting down EVERY rape crisis center in the entire south island. Then before him in the 90's when Shipley made our hospitals charge people for getting injured or sick!
You can bullshit all you want, but National's history with health is still a matter of public record for anyone to see
What about hats ??
Good points raised by Tim Murphy
Time for A I doctors because the human ones only work 3days a week
China can never set up shop in the Islands excl Fiji...
All the islanders are based here, not in Beijing...
They already have been. More than one polynesian nation has entered into agreements with them, trading immigration and loans for infrastructure.
It's the same way Dole got Hawaii for the states, just with concrete and plastic goods instead of crops.
Vaccine?
The WHO are going to push digital records as well as other info incuding vaccines compliance passports onto phones. They are implementing it into 5 countries now. Greece and Germany being the main 2.
England will push it through in September Nz will follow like sheep and here we go with round 2.
Masks, can't buy or sell anything or go anywhere without proof you are vaccinated.
Nz has billions of vaccines waiting to roll out.
You of coarse can so no .
And very quickly become jobless, homeless and dead. You do have a choice.
I'm choosing the sentence.
No.
Rubbish, left leaning dribble. Let's see how long my comment lasts. Prove me wrong.
I agree. I think the panel is made up of Labour supporters. I don't agree with most of their dribble, but it good to listen to others opinions.
Thanks-good backgrounder.
What a cockup! This government should resign!!!
BRICS,BRICS,BRICS
Bravo! - good podcast. Thanks so much 🙂
NZ lame-stream news is so boring.
So your commentary now on the lack of knowledge of the speaker on parliamentary procedure, is bordering on gob smacking. Procedure on both sides is dealt to.
Also you're aware that the coalition was voted in by one of the biggest majorities in recent times on the issues that were tabled? what does that tell you? I know you choose to ignore these issues
and racism practiced by the left and Ti Pati has been conveniently bypassed by you as well,
Should Karen Chhour take time off for being called not a 'real maori' and it's ACT's responsibility? Seriously??
And Ti Pati and followers are targeting and making people intimidated to do their jobs also gets ignored.
Mind you, that's the left's style. Nothing done, hand sitting, racist policies and ignoring the majority. Pretty much like straight from Uni, lefty pearl clutching apologist media we've listened to for 6 horror years. Do your job and report BOTH sides. And not the rose tinted Jacinda days you're still pining for.
They may not be novices, but i bet they earned a truck load in wages
Best political analysis as always. Thanks team
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