Cragen and Stabler Have a Conversation About Stabler’s Father | NBC's Law & Order: Organized Crime
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- Stabler (Christopher Meloni) visits Cragen (Dann Florek) at his home to have an honest conversation about Stabler’s father working in the police force and the truth about his Medal of Honor and character during his career.
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Good old Cragen is back. “Benson! Elliot! My office now!”
😊 like stat immediately 😄
Back in the day, he always literally was annoyed by Elliot, reckless behavior. Can you imagine him meeting Hank Voight being like God, I was wrong
Cragen is lowkey the one non-abusive father figure anyone on the svu squad has ever had.
True!! 💯
And he was the one who could actually reign them in
Yeah I wish it turned out to be that cragen said oh and I’m your father in the process that would have had me screaming that would have been interesting like seeing him make amends again 😊 sigh 😔 if only but this was nice little scene between them I wish this scene and not the rest of the other scenes took up the video
He changed a lot from his days at the 27th
A bunch of cops all have abusive dad's huh strange
This is a scene we never thought would happen. Thank you law and order writers.
I'm so glad to see Dann Florek come back as retired Capt. Cragen! 💖 He can be a good moral compass for Stabler (and Benson) at this juncture, just like he was at the beginning.
Yeah I Like cragin And All of them From the start
Completely agree
Loved this video!!
Yep I just wish Richard Belzer would come back as retired munch
Damn straight. Always respected Cragen.
I understand that Olivia was heartbroken over Elliot’s departure from SVU as we all were. But the person heartbroken over the most about it besides Liv was Cragen. For years, Cragen had Elliot under his wing and even said Elliot was like a son. Cragen was pushing as hard as he could to make sure Elliot came back but he never did. To see Elliot with Cragen after all those years of being apart feels like another closure the fans could’ve used.
I'm still heartbroken and it's been 11 years.. I started watching in 2007
Well said
Yeah I kinda thought he wanted Stabler to run the squad someday.. But still worked out with Benson
Ya cragen was grooming him for captain head of svu his replacement then next in line was benson
@@mikehance6086 stabler wasn't fit for captain, Benson was.
“He was a good cop….. in his time” deep
Cragen absolutely used the right phrase to help Elliott manage his feelings about his father and the Combat Cross medal. An Act of Contrition is exactly what I think his father was trying to say. Be a better man than me. I wouldn’t be surprised if that isn’t why his father was so horrible to them at home and drank so heavily. To cope with the pain of the things he saw and had to do on the job. He didn’t know how to be a better man and didn’t know how to tell Elliott and his children to be better than him. Different time and way of thinking sadly. Maybe Elliott can start making peace with that part of his past too.
Agree. One has to remember in the 50s 60s 70s and even into the 80s, PTSD was not talked about, especially in law enforcement; it took Vietnam veterans to open dialogue about the subject. Stabler's father, like many at the time, didn't have the support that would have helped him and his family. Law enforcement has had the highest rates of substance abuse, domestic violence, and suicides because of what they experienced in their jobs day in and day out. Stabler's father experienced those, and took it out on his family, especially Stabler's mother and Stabler himself. Stabler's mother was diagnosed as bipolar, but I also believed she may had had postpartum depression/psychosis as well (it definitely would be understandable if it was revealed that she developed postpartum after having Stabler). That and the domestic abuse may have triggered her illness. Not only that, his father came from a generation where men didn't show their feelings; they would have been perceived as wimpy, cowardly, and other negative connotations. The culture of law enforcement exacerbated it; he had to be tough on the job, but was unable to convey those feelings to his family, drinking and abusing his family was a way to convey those feelings. Mrs. Stabler left and Stabler was forced to grow up and protect his siblings from their father's abuse. Cragen knows all too well what the negative side of law enforcement does to a good person; he has been a father figure to Benson and Stabler, and helping them to navigate the rough waters. But there's one person who would understand what Stabler has gone thru and that is Benson.
I hope so. Elliot has had a hard life. He needs to come to grips with his past before he starts a new relationship with Liv or anyone else.
@@tammylewis2408 and sadly, it’s still not talked about/acknowledged nearly enough. Sure we’ve made progress in a lot of ways but unfortunately, too many people still have this attitude/mindset that people (men in particular) showing feelings/emotions that aren’t anger/rage are weak, cowardly, wimps etc.
Good episode. Only Dann can play this role. He & Elliot balance each other out. They called him dad for a reason
I agree 💯 %
Am so happy to see him
I wish cragen turned out to be his dad at the end that would have been a huge shocker and a big twist at the end 😮like yasss👏👏👏
@@alexandraanderson3988 Yeah but would put his treasured mama in a bad light
@@alexandraanderson3988 He's a 2nd daddy to him anyway
This scene was TOO brief! However, I was moved to tears seeing Cragen & Stabler together again.
As brief as it was, I’m still satisfied
Yeah like if only he came in the beginning or even in the middle like they met at a crime scene or something like old times that way. I wouldn’t have to be board the whole way through I only came for cragen didn’t care for any other part in the episode tbh
Was this all he was in of the episode?
I'm not going to lie.. me too. I remember watching SVU for such a long time now and have seen these two age really well..
It was so nostalgic seeing them conversate, like watching the old school svu again...
God bless these people and YOU ALL 🙏❤️.
@@maevemallory2122 8
Cragen being the legend he always has been. One of those actors who plays a cop that could truly pass as a real life cop lol. Coming from a son of a cop of 35+ years my dad always said Cragen is a man who really looks like and sounds like a true police captain. He’s NAILED it ever since his first ever Law And Order SVU Episode.
And in the OG seasons 1-4. Early cragen was also hot!
Wow...I really like Cragen..
level-headed, look our for the officers under his command... it is about right.
Dennis Farina, Joe Fontana of the OG series, might pass as well, especially considering that he was a police detective in Chicago between 1967-85
Christopher Meloni and Dann Florek are two of the finest actors of our generation.
That was a good scene. Too bad it was five minutes. The way SVU always teases in the preview making it seem he was gonna be there in the office helping Elliot and they show him at home for five minutes. The previews look more interesting than the actual scene. Lol
Lol ! I 👍 agree.
Really it was less than five minutes.
3:34 minutes
@@albertareid8850 made us all excited for nothing. I'm telling you the previews are better than the damn actual scene. Lol
You know it is true. Lol
Who else thinks if they didn't introduce organized crime with stabler then svu would have ended.
Captain Donald Cragen and Detective Elliott Stabler Finally reunited for the first time In 11 years.
I know Stabler went to see to ask him about the 🏅 but now that I've seen Captain Cragen again, I can't help it; I want more.. please.🙏
It's nice to see Elliot talking about his father back in season 7 episode "Ripped" Stabler refused to talk about it and when he did he broke down sobbing talking with Dr. Rebecca Hendrix on the couch and Stabler talked about his father again with his mom played by Ellen Burstyn in season 10 episode "Swing".
That episode just came on today. The one with Mary Stuart Masterson as the shrink talking to Elliot.
I don't remember anything about his parents??
I really missed how Cragen grounds Stabler. Cragen was always able to get Stabler to bring it down a notch. This scene brought tears to my eyes. Stabler needs people from his past to help him get through. He will have so much to process once this undercover case is over so it would be a great opportunity to bring back Dr. Huang. I always loved their conversations.
It was great seeing captain cragen again 🙂🤗 this scene was really great
Capt. Cragen is one of the Original “Law and Order” characters. This was before SVU.
Crime, racism, bias, corruption. I can only imagine those dark ages Elliot's dad came from. But a wise man once said "You don't get to choose the era you are born in." Giving Elliot that medal lets me know that his dad wanted him to do better than him and there is no doubt that Elliot has on more than one occasion.
I thought the fact that Cragen kept reiterating to Stabler 'in his day' about his father's behavior was a very important fact so that Stabler could understand his father on a deeper level. I do love the fact that Cragen is back, even if it is just for a short while. He stabilizes Benson & Stabler, and makes issues easier to deal with.
@@lisarice4402 I do too. I wished the reunion was a little longer between them. Cragen wasn't just Elliot's captain. Joe may have been Elliot's father, but Cragen was the dad.
Yeah You can kind of see where Elliot gets his hostility and tocxity from along with his anger issues whenever he handles suspects and perps and even victims in the past. This kind of makes me understand Elliot’s actions more now than before because of his dad.
@@alexandraanderson3988 True that. Now that I think about it SVU was a good fit for him because there was no worse scum to take your anger out on than a pedophile. One thing I can say about Elliot is that he never stopped growing as a person.
Just goes to show, nothing is that simple. It’s not all black & white
Also, Elliot's mother, who suffered from bipolarity, was undoubtedly affected by his dad and his dad's issues. Just my observation.
I hope we get to see the good ole captain come back for a scene with both Olivia and Elliot together.
Like a wedding?
* awkward staring *
C - “You guys should have been together as a couple. I’m just going to say it.”
E- “Yeah.”
O- “Yeah.”
When they marry. Only way that is happening.
Yeah I would also like him to see how far she’s come that would be a joy to see from one captain to another😁
Damn, when watching the show I immediately recognized Cragen's house lmao I really hope we get to see Cragen reunite with Benson *AND* Stabler before the end of the season!!
Still stayed at that same old house from season 1 of the mothership
He already reunited with her for the 500 hundred episode of svu just on camera but I wish it was in person too like stabler so he can tell how proud he is of her that she’s made it😁
I just started season 6 and don't recall ever seeing Cragen's house or personal life yet... Guess that's still coming?
@@stephanieashton8835 It was the season 1 finale of the original Law & Order entitled "The Blue Wall". In that episode, Sgt. Greevey of the 2-7 (Cragen's old partner) visited his house to talk about a case which involved him. I highly recommend watching it. It's one of the reasons why Cragen doesn't like IAB all that much
@@ItsGooseIsland Thanks-I've been making my way through them from the beginning, so I must have just forgotten that one. I might go back and rewatch it now. :)
Crazy how this is the first time in a decade they’ve seen or talked to each other.
Though it woulda been nice to hear Cragen give his condolences for Kathy.
Otherwise, so cool that we got to see him again!
I was thinking the same thing!!! I thought he would’ve gave his condolences first.
@@StarChyld4 Unless it was omitted to save time. Yes, I know that sounds a bit stupid.
Or maybe it was already given (of course not on screen) cause do you really think once news broke about her death that Cragen wouldn't have reached out to him??
I was waiting for that myself
@@courtneyp3405 Yeah didn’t have enough time maybe if only they focused more on him and stabler throughout most of the episode then worrying about the other cases but oh well
Dann is such a legend, what a delight! This plus the original series coming back and this franchise has never been more alive.
OK I’m having an ugly cry or Elliot and the captain about Elliot’s father Eli is carried on a different way but we love them all go Elliott Gould captain Kragen call Olivia
These 5 min. ALONE make the whole
season worthwhile.
I just hope that we get a future crossover between Chicago P.D. and Law & Order: Organized Crime. Would love to see Voight, Stabler, Bell, Halstead, and the rest work a case together.
Ain't happening.
@Adam Zaafran Because now the Chicago shows only do crossovers with each other. The Law and Order shows will also stick with each other. It is just easier for production, since Chicago shows film in Chicago and L & O shows film in NYC. Back when SVU did a crossover with a Chicago show, there weren't three Chicago shows, and there were no other L & O shows.
@@carrietremble: Dang, I didn't really think of it that way. That's a really great point!
However, me personally, I feel like L&O: Organized Crime is SO radically different from the original and S.V.U. that it makes more sense for them to crossover with Chicago P.D.. I see many similarities between the two. That's just how I feel.
But considering that the original L&O is back, I guess it does make sense for the Wolf producers to keep the L&Os, Chicagos, and F.B.I.'s away from one another.
@Adam Zaafran Did Carrie set u straight...
@@carrietremble When they crossed with Chicago there were four Chicago shows.
But I would LOVE to see OC and PD crossover, Stabler and Voight???my god I would die
This is what's missing from season 21 of Law & Order. Real character conversation, development, and emotional stakes.
We may see this in future episodes.
@@irishpogi I hope so. 5 episodes in and honestly I don't care about any of the new characters. Like they could all die next episode and I will be like "oh no, anyway."
@@SourRobo8364 we are familiar with McCoy and Bernard and their personal lives. Wouldn't it be a hoot if McCoy's daughter becomes a defense attorney?
The original Law & Order was never about the personal lives about the characters in terms of development and emotional stakes; it's always been about the cases at hand. They may sprinkle it in from time to time if the plot calls for it, but they're not gonna do it on a level like SVU or Organized Crime, otherwise you can watch those shows instead
One thing that stands out- Cragen doesn’t badmouth Stabler’s dad. Doesn’t speak ill of him at all- because he knows how Elliot felt about him, and because no matter what, Joe was his father. He simply told Elliot what he should already know-his dad was a tough man doing a tough job, faced with hard decisions . He made a decision to protect his partner. Whether right or wrong, that’s what he did because he was loyal to his partner and that loyalty was paramount in a job where life or death may depend on that partner- and the times sure sounded like it did. How many times did Stabler bend rules for Benson? For that matter, how many times did Cragen do it for Stabler, for them all?
You do the best you can, the best you know, by the best lights you have at the time. There are times you’re right, times you’re wrong.
But until you’re in that moment, all you can do is think you’ll do this-when you may wind up doing that
Very well said.
Anybody else's heart sank when Elliot said, "you're telling me" thinking about Liv or is it just me??
Oh he was definitely referring to Liv, but she was on a list of multiple things he regrets, I expect.
Its was probably a lot of things, but what he did to Liv was definitely apart of what he was referring to
I think he was talking about more betraying the cops he's going to have to put behind bars. He's feeling bad cause some if these guys r trying to help their family better. Instead of just asking for a raise or loan from the boss. Or start a gofund me page.
Money cane make u reckless.
Money is a terrible master but excellent servant
How many years was Stabler on the force? How many things did he do that he regrets. This is not about a single person.
@@NoHomerS yep
I think it's hilarious that as blatant at bending/breaking rules/laws as Stabler has been all through SVU & now OC, that he finds it hurtful that his dad might've been sketchy at earning that combat cross. Like father, like son I guess. 😑😂
He'd never pin a crime on an innocent man. Get real, lol. 😂
@@youforget1000thingsaday He did just about everything else. 😑😜
We need a scene with them and Olivia! Now!!! The end almost crushed me, heavy lines, too much regret, pain! I need more! Please, Lawie!
"Weve all done things were not proud of."Have words ever been more true?
Wish this scene was a bit longer.. Great episode, but this was my favorite part..
It's proof that Cragen knew Stabler's father since he said his name Joe just as his mother Bernie did
So excited to see Captain Craig back again with Stabler.
For one episode but yeah I guess it was nice to see him again
Why has NOBODY come to Chris meloni to play AGENT 47?!?!
NOW HE HAS THE LOOK!
Hollywood wants to put a show from a video game...Then this should be the actor to play him.
"Elliot, we've all done things we're not proud of."
"You're telling me."
I wonder if this is a reference to Stabler's last episode as the star on SVU when he shot that teenage girl at the station.
I think they deleted my comment. Balderdash
What episode is this?
It’s been a decade since those two have seen eye to eye
He’s a wonderful Surrogate father to Elliot and Olivia
I always wondered why I look so much to David Rossi on criminal minds. He sounds JUST like Cragen 🥺🥺🥺🥺
For so long I’ve been waiting for this moment. It’s good to see them together again. Only wish Olivia was there with them would have felt like old times.
Yeah I would want him to mention how proud he is of her since she’s come so far in person that would be a divine experience to see😊
And imagine john munch, Jeffries, and Cassidy came back too
@@EpicAndrew97 Jefferies😍😊😁 I feel like she never got the credit and attention she deserved on the show and seems to be a forgotten character which is sad because as I watch these rereun it sems like she had so much potential and they ust gave up on her like that she's not even mentioned like thats why I think she deserves a comeback!
Cragen looks great, they should bring him back more often.
You know it's bad when they say "Tell me what you heard". Which means I don't want to snitch on your old man on something you might not know about.
Not much different than the group of old army ncos like my dad and his friends back in the day when they talk about one of the people they served with I remember when I was a kid I used to sit around and listen to their stories and there was a point where they would be talking and all of a sudden they I'd see one of them give my dad a look.
cragen has looked 70 years old the past 30 years...
"outmanned, outgunned, and underpaid" - he forgot to mention "and on the take"
Which is why they were on the take.
I thought the Wheatley arc kind of went off the rails at the end. In saying that, I'm really liking this new chapter so far.
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Powerful and moving; a friend and mentor acknowledging that in the past things were worse, but that should be taken as incentive to do better in the present.
Also, Elliot's dad was working in a dangerous world of police reform. It seems that Stabler's dad was a good cop, but wants his son Elliot to do better and to be a better cop than he ever was
uh No his dad was a crumb, who staged a shooting to get a medal.
I loved seeing Cragen I was only sad that the episode happened when my sister had to work late. She would have to loved to see it.
Christopher Meloni was born to play Stabler. With proper writing, I swear they could turn him into a full blown movie, if not franchise.
Honestly, I'd rather Olivia had left the show and Stabler remained as the core. Oh, they did a fine job of having him melt down and the story worked well, but Christopher Meloni is so much a better actor than Mariska Hargitay. But no, the show was more about her than him and so it made sense.
Not to nit pick but I think that medal is the Police Combat Cross. Not the Medal of Honor
I Love How Cragen Explained In Detail The Atmosphere That Joe Stabler And Every Other Cop Had To Work In But Also Explained Joe Stabler's Morals. Tough Men In A Tough Situation Doing The Beat They Could. Outmanned Outgunned And Underpaid. Much Respect To Joe Stabler For Being One Of Those Men. He Made Elliot Tough But Made Him Tough In The Wrong Way. Some Men Are Not Proud Of The Things They Have To Do For The Greater Good
Man the writers did a damn good job on this one! I really enjoyed this episode!
I'd like to know if we'll ever see Det. Logan make an appearance.
That's something we all need to see
@@ItsGooseIsland Someone else I'd love to see again is Det. Greene.
Nick came back great, Captain cragen came twice on both special victims unit and organized crime back when the hell is munch coming back from whatever place on Earth he is that's not being controlled by the government!?
I was so happy to see Captain Cragen reunited with Detective Elliott Stabler. Just like old times. Too bad the Captain was pushed out and forced to retire
Only because he reached the age of mandatory retirement.
When they were flashing the guest star names, I saw Dann Florek and was like.... Omg Cragen is on the episode!
It was a long overdue reunion between them 2.
Talking about your father with your father figure!! 🙌🙌
They both have bald heads Stabler kind of looks like Cragen now.
Cragen is right- you do the best you can by the best lights you have at the time. It can be very easy to judge a person or situation from the distance of time- truth is no one knows what they would do if they were in that position, in that moment.
Anybody else hate this new Law and order? Doesn't really make sense, Wife of 20 something years is murdered and starts a relationship a month later, why? finds out who killed his wife and still has feelings for her? The mayor listens to the guy who was in cahoots with the Organized mobs over his police force? And if theres a plot hole, the "hackers" have a way to solve every problem through sci fi hacks and browsing social media....
The actress that played Kathy is retired from acting so she wasn't going to be a part of the new show. I think the show was always going to start with some kind of tragedy. It's a serialized l&o so it's definitely a different kind of l&o.
Elliot doesn't actually have a relationship with Angela. They just bonded in their grief and developed feelings for each other. Elliot has PTSD because he saw Kathy get bombed and he's really screwed up emotionally over it. He gravitated to her because it was a lot easier for him to talk to her instead of Olivia. As their relationship is massively complicated, he's in love with her and screwed things up between them by leaving.
The mayor guy listened to Richard because he blames Elliot for what happened to his wife. He's grief stricken and Richard is a charming snake that's really good at talking people into things.
I'll admit that the hacking is a cheat... That's tv logic for you.
Because of that episode called Scorched Earth, I was crushed by Elliot leaving. Never wanted to see that episode after the first time. But this scene was epic here. It seemed Cragen was glad that Elliot returned to the NYPD.
The next crossover they need to have needs to be all three Law & Order series and all three Chicago series. That would be a masterpiece for the ages!
I think a lot of people from Law & Order would wonder why there's a doctor on Chicago Med who looks just like their former Lieutenant.
And FBI series
@@toddsmitts - Not if there’s a rational explanation for it or if they don’t meet her.
You called it with a crossover event happening
What episode and season is this from?
councel
Always glad to see Don talking to his people. Even if he's not their captain anymore
He’ll always be their captain
Cragen and Munch are two characters that I miss SO much. Good to see Cragen again… unfortunately we’ll never get to see Munch again. RIP Richard Belzer :(
When you hit IMDB and realize these two are only 10 years of age apart.
Why do I get the feeling that Elliot was referring to him just dumping everyone years ago when Cragon mentioned that everyone has done things they aren’t proud of? And yet he still won’t come out and say it to his face!? 😡
Cragan is the strongest one of them all. Sees through all the lies but also realises good people do silly things in fear and desperation. Keeps it very simple but only convicts the ones truly guilty. A real copper. Doesn't miss use his power ever and respects the oath he took and thats why he's been in power so long.
If you look at Cragen's background in history as a cop he wasn't always a saint either.
Ay yo, Coach Gerber is still at it these days 🙌🥳
Even in retirement, Don Cragen is still mentoring Elliot Stabler.
Well Elliott always needed a REAL father figure. Cragen was it.
As did Olivia
They had better not screw with Cragens character.
I could never get into this new show.
Glad to see them together onscreen again!! Love Cragen
Cragen/Florek didn't age at all
Yeah...the 60's, 70s and 80s in NYC was basically The Purge
He has been in Law and order since 1990
Are you going air a new episode this week or skip 4 weeks like usual? Should probably not say new episodes weekly on streaming apps.
it's nice to see eliot coming back to the right state of mind
cragen is back!!!!!!! yayy!!!!
You mean Stabler talks to his Dad about his father? Yeah😌
Dann Florek looks really great at his age
If isn’t Grandpa Cragen and Unk El together again 😩
That’s not courageous.
Bring back Cragen
This original SVU group made me see cops from a totally different perspective. Cragen always seemed like the Captain we wish all real precincts were under
I’m surprised cragen knew stablers dad at all
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This is going to be great. So looking forward to seeing Captain Cragen again.👏💛🧡❤️💯
man when i saw this scene, it brought me back to the old days with the OG squad on law & order SVU
I loved this scene between them!! I have missed Cragen
This was touching 😢
Awesome seeing Cragen again! Also Mr. Florek looks great! Here's hoping for more of the best Captain.
God to see them together again it's been along time coming stabler needed him at ned of the show good job svu 👀💋🍃
Maybe in the earlier SVU seasons they mentioned Elliotts dad? But from season 8-12 his father never had an impact on him. Interesting that they want to use him not to try to balance Elliott.
The episode Florida in 2007 when they thought Simon Marsden went down to Florida.. he was really in upstate New York .. elliott says Florida cuz there is/was a police camp his dad took him to as a kid.
I miss Christopher Meloni's voice on svu 😭
I've watched since day one and this was 1 of the best scenes.