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building a golf club Pt II frequency matching, FLO
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- www.mcgolf.net Part two in the series of golf club assembly. In this part we frequency match, FLO and glue the clubs using Wishon heads, KBS shafts and PURE grips. In the McGolf Shop
Wishon: www.wishongolf.com
KBS: www.kbsgolfshaf...
Pure: www.puregrips.com
I've been interested in building clubs for a while now, and these videos have been both entertaining and informational. If nothing else, it's made me appreciate what my local clubmakers actually go through to make our equipment look good and function properly. An underappreciated art.
Great video . I worked in a golf shop in college and would build clubs similar to what your doing. We would build clubs to be as perfect as could be made. This way the only variable was the person holding the club. The biggest problem was that I had very little time to actually play.
I have always been a "fill the entire hosel with epoxy" kind of guy, out of fear of one of these sucker's coming loose. I taught myself how to build clubs, so it is really interesting to see a pro do it "the right way". The amount of epoxy you used for 6 clubs is how much I would mix for 1. Looks like I can save some money. Great tip!
The thing with FLO, If you have a consistent club and don't find the middle of the face, it's a swing thing. If you have an inconsistent club and can't find the middle, you can go about finding fault in the swing, but still have the variable of an inconsistent club.
I found a key chain laser pointer at office max. I took the chain off and put two adhesive cable holders together as the clamp. I stuck them together in opposite directions. As added help since it is over five yrs old I place a piece of masking tape over the button to help keep it on.
For a manufactured laser FLO I would check out club scout. The owner machines a holder and provides a laser specifically for it.
I'm curious about where and how you're attaching the laser for FLO. Using a device like the one from GolfMechanix, you attach that at the tip of the club, while you're attaching your laser mid-shaft. It seems like your method would result in a much "tighter" pattern.
Great club built will keep watching keep up the great work
You Do awesome work.. nothing like a man who takes pride in his work..
Your building my next set of clubs. Very detailed and professional
TheUofAfan perfect!
Hi Jim,
So just to be clear, when you spine the shaft, the hard point the “spine”, will come to the top in your spine finder. You mark that and it is positioned in the clubhead at the 12 o’clock position to assist in flo’ing the club. Finding the spine merely assists in flo’ing the club. You adjust the position of the shaft in the head until you get a flat line oscillation, but that will still generally mean that the spine of the shaft will still be in the 12 o’clock position - give or take a few degrees.
I have read a lot about spine alignment and there are a lot of differing opinions on whether to align the spine at 12 o’clock (as you do) 9 or 3 o’clock. I am going with 12 o’clock as you suggest, but as long as you are consistent across the set it should be fine.
Love your videos by the way.
Regards
Pete
Peter correct!
Peter when I started, aligning the shaft was actually non conforming. But placing it at 12 was not. Turns out the position is great for the bending the of the shaft
Thanks very much for your reply Jim! Much appreciated.
Taper Tip shaft question. What is the point of checking the frequency of a taper tip shaft unless you have multiple 7-iron shafts for example? Is there a way to change the frequency on a taper tip shaft is mainly what I’m confused about. Great channel
Was this answered?
You’re true to your profession! Love your videos. Take care
Jim, I believe your preferred spine position to begin floing is 12 o'clock. I see other you tubers who use 9 o'clock. My thinking is that 12 o'clock reduces shaft droop. Also, at 9 o'clock, when the shaft flexes forward towards the bottom of the foreswing, the weight of the head forcing the shaft to move into the stiffest plane of the shaft may cause the shaft to deflect off of plane. What is your thought? Bob from Logansport.
Simply love this videos. What a great service you make to the best game in the world! Thank you again in the name of millions of people.
The chart that you use, is it a "standard" one? Where can we get one of those?
What is the number of the sand belt witch you think is better to use in steel shaft prep?
Do you think it is important to clean the tip and the hosel with acetone before gluing? I always do but if i would be sure that it would be a step that i can skip, it would be one less task and less time for each assembling...
Jim your videos are a goldmine! thank you!
Awesome stuff, i spine my 6/0 projectX shaft. When putting the head on does the spine go at 12 oclock,3 oclock 6oclock,or 9oclock to the face of club.
A true master club builder
Great couple of videos
First of all love your video. You can see you truly love your job. My question was, in the little research I've done on spining, and flo or puring, there is really only one way to get the best flo and you put the shaft in the head with the hardest most consistent side of the shaft facing target. I got confused when you started flipping it different ways and when installing heads it didnt look like you were exactly installing it to the exact position it needed to be for best consistency. Sorry for nit picking.
Matthew J the best position for FLO is certainly a debate among Clubmakers. Particularly when talking to the kick of the shaft. In doing your research I am sure you found where it is the opinion of some that FLO doesn’t even work. Other will say that it totally influences the performance of the shaft. What you may not have found is that if the club is FLOing in the 12 o’clock position where I put it for consistency that it also FLOs in the path 90 degrees to the 12 o’clock position. The moving of the head is not a mistake, it is manipulating the club to find the FLO as spine finding is not exact either.
The laser you used appears to be a clip-on, what is the model? I searched the comments and could not find it in there - thanks for the great videos
He had a video somewhere. Bought the laser pointer at Office Max and the small cable clips you can get from Home Depot. Works great under $15
I understand how you spine and FLO a shaft, but how do you use those marks when glueing a club onto a shaft. What happens if they are opposite - one on one side of the shaft, the other on the other side? Really enjoy the videos - have really learned a lot.
when FLOing the line made will match up
Thank you for another great video and your time !
Question: Why would you use a spine finder to find the spine if you are going to flow the shaft? Since the flow may indicate you might have to rotate the shaft up to 90 degrees off of the spine up position. Why not flow only until the flatline oscillation is straight up and down, what ever it takes?
I would consider myself a brand new, hobbiest club tinkerer ... similar to your "spine finder", is there some sort of DIY "frequency" device? 🤔
You didn't mention aligning the FLO mark on the shaft to the head when assembling. You did when measuring the FLO though.
When you did your frequency matching and you marked the the heads with the shaft, I didn’t see you match up the mark when you epoxied the heads. Can you come in on that?
Hey Jim ! Love your Vids!! i was wondering?Can you flow a golf shaft with the head off and the grip left on???? or is it out of the question as in a hard NO??? will the grip change the proper flow if left on?? Thanks.
You didn't mention that tip trimming is only for parallel tip shafts
FYI To properly FLO any shaft you have to let it bounce. You can't just stop it after one or two passes. You'd be surprised what you see. The oscillation on a shaft can be so bad it can change directions
John, I have found that if it is going to change direction, and some have, it will be bad in the being too.
What if you held it too high or too low when you bounced it, in your case you go straight up n down so what if you were off to the left a little bit vice versa. you don't know if u bounce it perfect straight up n down. It will correct itself and flatline if it's FLO'd properly
On the spine finder I missed how you determine the hard side
There's 92 comments so excuse my laziness here if this has been answered. But when did you measure the swing weight? This video showed trimming and spinning and I'd have thought swing weight measurement would have been in there before the heads were glued.
I weigh everything prior to assembly, from there I can tell what it will be. Even weighing dry there is a slight change for glue, tape and ferrule one point.
@@McGolf so you dry assemble once you have the shaft trimmed to the correct frequency and length? Would be cool to see how you use or adjust tip weights to achieve the desired weight, or post a link to another video of yours that shows that. You have great videos. Thanks for the reply to an old post.
I am curious about the head weights. You frequency the first shaft with head, get the cut measure, etc. The next club you step 1/2" but doesn't the head weight factor in frequency? The weight of heads can vary, not always consistently.
Mike, the heads do vary and I measure them prior to the assembly looking for a 7 g increment
Hi Jim ... The shafts you used, were they parallel tips? Hence, the frequency matching?
Hey Jim - Great video's and tutorials, I've watched heaps. A few daft questions.... How long are the shafts before you start? Like you chopped 2.5 inches off the shaft and some more off the butt. Is there ever an occasion when to get the right numbers you're getting close chopping too much off?
These are .370 parallel shafts. They all come the same length from the manufacturer. In order to adjust the flex, he must measure the frequency, check said frequency on the recommended chart and either trim from the butt end to soften the flex, or trim from the tip end to strengthen the flex. Once trimmed, he goes back to the FLO to see if his trimming has matched the recommended frequency for said flex. No shaft is created equal, as you can see in the video. Blindly trimming shafts based on the manufacturer's recommended trimming may not be as accurate as you think. Taper-tip shafts are manufactured to the correct length and flex for each club so it is important that the correct shaft is fitted to the corresponding club. To change playing characteristics on a tapered shaft, you would either change flex all together, or look at hard-stepping/soft-stepping the shafts. Hope this helps.
I have ap2 714 half inch short of standard Pxi 5.5-I have they 3 shaft in the 4 and so on until the 8 irion. I'm trying to figure out how to teach a d4 swing weight the best way? 15 grams is what I'm coming up with?
Do you frequency match tapper tipped shafts? Also do you have used collared ferrules or will standard work?
I'm a bit confused, why bother with finding the spine if you're going to find the best dynamic bending motion of the shaft through FLO?
Hi Jim 👍 your vids are great! Where can I get a shaft puller like yours
Just curious why you use a separate clamp to flo instead of just doing the flo when it’s in the frequency analyzer? Also I see you have the club scout frequency analyzer that goes with your flo clamp is there a reason why you like the Maltby analyzer instead of the club scout machine? Just curious sorry for all the questions. Thank you for all the great information you provide I have learned so much from your channel. Have a wonderful day.
The club scout clamp is solid where the GW clamp has a spring set to allow for grips. I feel its a better tool for the job.
the GW unit calibrated the other is not
How much do you worry about swing weights when you are doing a frequency matched build? The reason I ask is that when I use Golf Pride grips the weights can be a bit all over the place from a tolerance perspective so any of the work that I do to get a 7 gram spread with the club heads and shaft weights might need to be compensated for in that scenario.
akjell it is usual to find GP grips to be off more than 2 grams. Remover that there needs to be more than 4 gram difference to change 1 sw point. But yes the initial measuring helps me align the grips shafts and head to maintain a constant sw
Where can i buy or how can I build your type of shaft extractor ? I build my own and it works well however I think yours is convenient and faster
More info on flowing and frequency
I don’t get what these frequency numbers are....
Do the frequency charts pair to the analyzer you are using or does it matter? If you fit someone into a 6 iron at say 290 on your analyzer how do you know what the 5 should be, do all charts progress at the same rate?
Hi would recommend changing shafts from true temper rifle 5.5 .. to kbs 6.5 x stiff? Callaway 2007 x forged
I forgot to ask God to bless you last week so I'm gonna ask him twice today :)
Just a note i used to work with epoxy alot building R/C airplanes, If you use denatured alcohol to clean up excess epoxy i doubt you would have any final cleaning whaatsoever, Also works greast for getting it off of your hands as well, if you add some to your 2x2 patches thats perfect.
Great videos. Couple questions. What are your thoughts on moi matching rather than frequency matching and when you put the shaft into the frequency analyzer is the mark you put that references the butt of the club at the front or rear of the clamp?
MOI matching is an alternate process to swing weighting not flex matching. It has merit and I know others that really like it.
I put the mark on the back of the clamp, thanks
Jim, What do you recommend for someone that want to get the spine tools?
Think he has a video on making his spline tool along with the pieces and sizes he uses
Jim, for your FLO clamp, what make and model is it, doesn't look like anything on Golfworks?
So you install the shaft with the "hard side/spine" at 12 o'clock?
yes 12 oclock
Thank you for the great info so many great tips in this video! By the way what size fishing line do you use? Thank you have a great week.
Paul Rhodes as close to .010 as I can get
McGolf Custom Clubs that sounds good thank you! By the way just enrolled for the June 14-16 GolfWorks school really looking forward to the trip. Also would love to look into joining the ICG whenever I would qualify I don't know much about joining need to look into it. Thanks again for all your help.
you can use a piece of paper or small piece of bubble wrap
Are there different procedures for different shaft types? i.e. Tapered vs Parallel? I was under the impression tapered shafts are only "tipped" for changing firmness
The procedure is the same however, the only trimming yo can do with a tapered shaft is cut to length. You can soft and hard step but you need to order the shafts before the build.
Not sure if I missed it but I did not see how you line up the club head in relation to the spine. Which way should the spine face when you address the ball?
Keith Waz the spine is 12 o’clock face down range
@@McGolf Thanks for the reply, great videos!
What is the chart on the wall that you refer to, where can I get one?
What is the chart you seem to be referring to after seeing the frequency ? Something found online or ? Again, great, informative videos. Love the content.
it is a calibrated chart that was made with a calibration stick I have. It was part of a group of clubmakers that could discuss flex and repair others works without being off the mark in flex. Golfworks has a great chart
The spine line means nothing... If you don't show where to put it?
So does it usually flo when you’ve got the spine facing up? Also you said you needed to add weight to the heads because they were underweight. Did you add weight before you did frequency?
cut and add weight for the flex
I like your video, just starting to look at them all, 1 down. I’m looking to get a new set of clubs this year. I’m going to a reputable club fitter next week. They have a ton of combinations for shafts and club heads. Just in case they do not offer frequency matching can I purchase the components from them and ask you to assemble them? Do you offer that or do I need to purchase clubs from you. I’m open either way.
we can assemble to a spec for sure.
Where you get done with the frequency match and then put it into the flo clamp where did you get that flo clamp? Is that torque knob on top??
It is a club scout frequency machine clamp.
Hi! Whats your opinion on the SST PURE method? So many of the pga players that uses that method to get their shafts working the best... 😃
The opinion on the process is about 50/50 but if there is something that can make the club more consistent, I'm all for it
Can FLO be accurately performed with a grip on the shaft? Thanks and Happy Fathers day to all....
no, the grip is much like a shock absorber and when clamped can get out of round which throws off the FLO
I have 370 parallel tipped shafts and i got the tip trimming guide from the manufacturer. After I tip trim the shafts should I flo them before i cut them to final length or flow them after i cut the shafts to final length? Any help will be appreciated.
al lanum I flow before trimming
@@McGolf so tip trim then flow then cut to length right?
al lanum flow then trim. That my method. If your shop is set up so it’s easier to trim then flo it’s all good
Do i (1) tip trim first, then (2) do the flow, then (3) cut to final length?
Hi, I have a question about the cpm of a golfshaft. Which cpm is the correct shaft flex measurement? With or without grip on the Shaft?
with it off is best. We have have tested several different types of grips to compare with on or off and found there is an additive that needs to be completed when doing the grip off.
Thanks a lot for your answer! your videos are awesome!!!
Is the frequency the same if you don't put the spine on top? Can you flow without finding the spine first and does it take longer?
oliver izzard in many cases the frequency can change as much as one half a flex from the spiked position to something else. You can find the FLO without a spine finding but it can be time consuming
McGolf Custom Clubs ok, if you glue the clubhead in with consistent position of the shaft spine the frequency will be consistent but you might not get the FLO ? If you stick in the head to get the FLO right then frequency might be a little off?
What club head did you start with?
Hi Jim -- What brand of clamp do you use for holding the shafts while FLOing?
Its a club scout, however any clamp with a clutch will do as long as you twang into the clamp
What laser are you using at 7:20 to find the FLO? Thanks.
Daniel Chong
I would also like to know
I've only seen the drill chuck style , not one that clamps on the shaft so you can use the club head
Du guess I should have read the first post
Daniel the Drill chuck is a device used when doing a lot of shafts at one time and when you are not finding the spine. The chuck is faster and a bit more pricy. The laser use was found in office max as a key chain laser. It is used because it fit the cable holders I put together to hold the laser to the shaft
What is your current cost to build a complete set of one length clubs?
depends on the components used and specs. email us for a quote. mcgolfshop@roadrunner.com
Brilliant
Jim, When you FLO the shaft is the hard spine line facing up at the ceiling or at 45* to the left as if facing the target?
Shawn Moran I put it facing the ceiling thanks
@@McGolf do you put that bend at the 6 or 12 position?
Ive always heard it depends on if your left or right handed.
12 oclock@@MississippiWopGenius396
Jim, where did you get your little chopsaw?
Bob Bissonette Golfworks has them
I sure was wondering what those squares were ?!?!?!?!? Mystery Solved
I want you to build my next set, how do I go about that.
Ernesto Lupercio email us at mcgolfshop@roadrunner.com or call the shop 17409414653
I disagree. The flat line needs to face forward for consistent ball striking
brucenoneyabusness that is a popular thought and one normally applied when looking to adjust the kick of the club however in keeping the with the bend of the shaft the 12 o’clock is better for consistency
I'm sorry but this is overkill - 95% of golfers can't even hit a ball and this is not advantageous to any of them. People and Pros were playing Golf perfectly fine long before all this "extra" science came on the scene
walks tall I’d disagree, pros in the day would go to buckets of same iron and hit the until they performed like they wanted, then move to the next iron and so on. Turns out the pros have the touch and other smarted than me figured out how to translate that into some that that can help others. The jury is still out on spine and FLO, some don’t have the touch as you say and other can tell. Bottom line it makes for a consistent club that can only help