yikes, not being rewarded because the enemy team decided to up and leave for losing is just a bad game design choice wtf. You should get rewards scaling up to however many objectives you completed or something, and then get a choice to enter a specter lobby or leave with your current rewards imo (maybe with a screen similar to every 5 waves in a defense)
Both teams get the same rewards except 1 or 2 extra rewards at the end. If the enemy team dips, then they are just stupid cuz they still get rewarded for their time. And iirc dcd players are replaced with specters but im not sure what happens when the whole time disconnects.
this could prompt DDOS'ing as a thing.... not saying it 100% will but systems that penalize drop-outs are risky business... the better answer is to lessen the desparity between winning and losing... if on standard a winner gets 30 vosfor but losers get 20 then they don't feel like they've just wasted the whole mission for nothing.... it'd be more of a waste to drop out at that point... you'd still get sore losers making the other team waste THEIR run but it may help
@@nonaG123 i dont think people leave because of less rewards, even if they make both teams get the same rewards people will still leave cuz they can't handle losing. that's why i like the leaving penalty. if some loser left because he's losing he will lose even more
This should NOT be added, especially if last gen is still going to be supported. Last gen players often get kicked out of games simply because their machines can't load into the game fast enough, and exprience disconnects MUCH more often compared to next gen/PC. Punishing last gen for being on last gen shouldn't be a thing. "Oh, just make the game be able to tell the difference between a deliberate and unintentional disconnect!" Can't. The game can't and never will be able to properly detect this. "Just upgrade to next gen, what are you? Poor?" Bruh
They can't. Build/warframe diversity is just too much. Destiny players learnt to cheese their raids, and they have 9 classes essentially. We have 50+ warframes.
sorry but the traditional concept of Raids and PvP just doesn't work for warframe, also ppl are just to busy running other mission compared to doing PvP in the first place in a game like warframe.
There actually _is_ a reason to play Faceoff, unlike Lunaro; It’s the only farmable source of Vosfor in the game. A minimum of 2 wins on the Steel Path guarantees enough for an Arcane bundle.
I TOTALLY AGREE with your video! I REALLY hate when a team reconnect, 9 out of 10, you're going to play against specters and won't get conclave points. DE needs to resolve this issue because it's not fair the stable team should be reverted/penalized for the other squad disconnections! 🤨😒
What bugs me about it is it counts as a node you have to clear for steel path now. New players might never unlock or clear steel path once this mode becomes old and forgotten like the rest of conclave
I did it once during the first week, looked at how much time it took for 1 run to get a measly 2000 standing for Conclave and said: "f*** this, I've got better things to do". Seriously! The standing gain is way too low for the amount of time it takes to do a match and now all these issues on top of that?! Yeah, those Conclave cosmetics aren't worth the pain and I'm glad I walked away immediately.
Losing to sweaty maxers should not that bad of a "problem", but waiting for a long time to que and being stuck to host migration loops only to not earn conclave standing after all is indeed a big problem. They should make that going in the game mode in public guarantees conclave standing. Even better and 'generous' if they make it to the solo version aswell.
It’s a conclave problem. Every single time. The conclave community has always been a problem. Remember they were the ones who complained about universal medallions being able to be used for conclave standing until it was removed.
It's not the conclave community though. Conclave players are interested in conclave for "actual" PvP, this is not it. It's just the community in general and I guess humanity/biology and would've happen even if conclave didn't exist in the first place. People played unfairly back when the original PvP clan events/modes existed as well. Let's not blame it all on the players though. DE should've expected how competitive play coupled with time grinds and meta focused gameplay would turn out and put systems in place to prevent much of this from happening
FCK no, see pvp adds about 500+ hours of gametime/ content on its own, with mods and earnable rewards 100 hours more. For endgame players who need something to do, being able to finally go broken build vs broken build is all they ever wanted. For the first time people can use their OP builds and not get nerfed after using them.
I'm finally managing to rank up conclave, im LR4 and ive maxed everything else (bar the hex because apparenrly ive got to see if they like me on messenger, but thats a whole other rant), however I've had several games get stopped by glitches. Such as the jammers spawning under the map and costing us the game etc. Also, the devs need to address the slam builds trying to surpass damage attenuation. Screw slam builds, hope they nerfythat crap. This game mode can be made way better with a good team, nova, volt, dante and titania seems to be good. But a bug can easily end your game. We had one where the final of the three assassination targets just didn't spawn. We were a stage ahead and just had to wait for the other team to catch up and win. As for how to make pvp an option for warframe? Take the warframes out. DE have designed themselves into a corner with pvp in this case. Instead, have a corpus vs grineer mode, like Kahls missions. Level the playing field and make it fun. Also, as with any PVP game that you don't want ruin REMOVE PC from crossplay! When it comes to pvp games they have the advantage, and since the introduction of crossplay its just been all negatives when it comes to pvp for us console players. Xbox players wanted to play with PlayStation players and vice versa. We never wanted to play with PC players. Hell, most PC players don't want to play with PC players.
Create a 3 strike system per day 1 leave: 15 minute wait for queuing 2 leaves: 30 minute wait 3 leaves: -5000 standing and locked from queue till daily reset
No. Just a flat standing loss that is at least equivalent to the winner reward. It doesn't severely punish those who have to disconnect due to for example an emergency, and it punishes those who actively quit matches where they think they are losing. Either you stay in and earn some standing or leave and lose standing. I don't think timeout is necessary in this case.
-Standing for The Hex in all penalties so that these guys are essentially heavily punished for abandoning their team. And as for the team who stayed, let them keep normal rewards as in the Vosfor and standing so that their time was not wasted
So far the only problem i had was the exterminate mission spawning enemies so slow that the other team is at 100% while we are at 35% but there isnt anything to kill
I played against the bots and didn't really understood the mode at all, some objectives wouldn't explain what we had to do and me and my team were stuck running in circles trying to figure out: 1) what to do 2) why were recieving damage and dying from nothing (enemy team debuf) 2) Visual clarity as every debuf was bright af and covering the whole arena. by the end of it i was just confused but it allowed me to unlock the pvp mode. played it once, hated it as the same problems as before x10. Never touched it again. farming standing is way easier in the bounties, which btw, the expansion never tells you about. I started confused the first few days because, after the campaign, there was no direction and the only thing you can think of is either talk to the guy you level up the syndicate (in this case arthur) or go to the computer, where you can see the calendar with objectives and rewards and mission nodes. There was no indication, EVER, that the cardboard cutout on the garage was the bounty giver
They really should have looked at [Insert Hero Shooter of Choice Here] in terms of penalties for system abuse, as clearly it's where they're drawing inspiration from.
I agree 1000%. I've ALWAYS held that people who finish solo or with less than a full squad they should ALWAYS get to keep the rewards, and penalties should apply to the quitters.
Potentially It's the best chance to make conclave a decent thing, but the problems of migration and uneven teams are very annoying, still needs a good polish, just hope it doesn't get abandoned.
This is actually the most fun ive ever had. Never had to deal with disconnects or longass wait times fortunately and the objectives are engaging and exciting. Although my limited inventory means no matter my build, it wont always be enough to damage the Assassin eximuses on SP. But i heavily agree with the rewards, they are EXTREMELY lackluster. Needs more standing, more vosfor, and more arcanes. I dont mean a bigger arcane pool, i mean more duplicates. Just 1 isnt enough for a victory. Higher rate of arcanes, vosfor, and credits/hollars.
Dont forget the key drop bug on the final mission. keys will spawn outside the map making it impossible to finish specially when your team or just you solo is ahead making you lose
I agree that the team which stays ought to get the full reward if the other team quits. It might also be a good idea to add some rewards for the losing team to encourage them to stay, just not as much of a reward as the winning team.
Soon as I read the patch notes about this mode I knew it would be sketchy... PVPVE is a baseline for toxic behavior in general which is already a shame as Warframe's community is pretty chill and helpful most of the time. I'm surprised it's not more oppressive to actually play but then again this game has 1000+ ways of nuking a room so making it accessible to most people would mean it's probably not that actually difficult, having said that I KNOW there's a lot of noobs that try to play in the deep end with mediocre play/builds because there's often a strong carrier in almost EVERY lobby often more than one... Still though the idea of even 1-2 deadweights in a psuedo-competitive mode is bad enough but when you factor in how devestatingly disruptive a drop-out player is to a NORMAL mission having twice as many potential drop-outs/connection issues is a crap shoot.... Even the rewards on paper didn't look worth it... 30 or 50 vosfor is a joke... Vosfor is only really needed for grinding rarer arcanes.... you'd need to do 7 or 4 runs to get a batch of arcanes AND THEN fight the RNG with that batch pull, more than likely ending up with you just recycling the 3 crappy ones back into about 60-80 vosfor.... so as far as I'm concerned this mode either needs those rewards increased or done on a participation basis of consideration. The pain is that if you reward a team that stayed and punish the drop-outs then you 'may' see ddos'ing attacks.... I'd like to think the player base wouldn't be so cruel but many other multiplayer games get this problem when you have competitive reward systems especially if it rewards you being the "last man standing" kind of thing... I think both sides need to have a Vosfor reward for competion maybe less for the losers but at least an incentive to keep playing with humans on both sides... maybe 30 is for losers and 40 for winners for standard or something.... do this AND deny repeat ques of drop-out players...
Played the normal version and won, played the Steel Path got stuck on first part and lose. Win or lose still counts as completed node. Never again returning to these misisons.
The amount that RNG weights upon the outcome of a match is also infuriating. I'm almost certain that some metrics shift in order to manufacture tension, depending on who is in the lead.
I played the solo version of this, and immediately found it unnecessary stressful. I don’t know what it was, but it simply didn’t vibe with what Warframe is to me and why I enjoy it so much.
This is proof that PvP just don't work for warframe, at least it has a optional PvE instead. People really like a PvP in warframe and complains because it does what PvP does in every other game LMAO
i literally can’t get an experience of the game mode due to long que times and players leaving, but only 30 vosver is insane, you can buy 300 from a syndicate daily for just playing a mission or 2 and with how long that game mode takes your better off grinding void cascade to trade in arcanes for vosver. the conclave standing would be the only reason to play it but even 1k-2k seems too low, assuming you have a 50% win/loss ratio and are mr 16, it’d take you 6matches daily to max out standing but that takes multiple minutes as opposed to fortuna you can mine for 10min n max out standing, cetus animal capture at night and max it withen 8min overall standing is roughly done withen a few min and that mode just takes too long to be worth anything especially with how players are and a 50% win loss is extremely generous, your more likely to lose unless you’re in a full squad
Yep, I’ve played 6 matches in total and all 6 matches ended as us playing with specters and not getting how proper rewards. Not going to touch that mode again, waste of time.
I've only done about 9 or so Steel Path runs of PvP Face Off... but I have had a blast, the normal frustrations of criticizing my teammates lol. But none of this THAT BEING SAID. Nobody Rage quit in my experience. SO I have been lucky in that respect, they need to impose penalties on the people quitting and not the people staying and playing. VERY BAD DE
The game really needs better reconection features. Most modern games have them and we still have to deal with a host migration even when a player doesnt want to leave the squad
**OH LOOK** - Lets take the INDEX and make it PVP!! - thats a GREAT IDEA!! (No it is *NOT*) Warframe **AS a WHOLE** is **NOT ABOUT COMPETITION** its about Co-operation. So Bring back the retired 8 man Weekly events that are SUPER Hard and make it about clearing the mission within a Time limit or a Kill limit PVP IS NOT GOOD FOR WARFRAME Think Im Wrong? Then Tell me HOW MANY PEOPLE PLAY LUNARO?
Tbh I mostly don't play pvp because it is an very grindy island content that feels unintuitive by itself before any personal performance issues: warframe is a very fast paced game, trying to hit/track players in pvp is like trying to find the exact position of an electron in a given second xD Looks like flies with a overdose of caffeine fighting.
Pvp orientated content its not for warframe simply as that. ...there s so many tweaks that need to be done and balanced and work for what for a gamemode that many people like me wont even touch
i do hope DE would fix and balance the issue describe, this annoying game mode where its like pvp conlcave styled mode, and you get to be enemy with a legend rank, i hope DE will find a way where at least 5 ranks gap can be matched with each other, like MR1 player will be matched with MR11 or MR15 at most, not like MR12 player be matched with a MR20, the disadvantage of weaponry and mods or builds in general is too gapped....i do know DE isnt very known for the PVP gameplay as conlcave was just left behind and only those completionist or has too much time would do this mode, at least they should limit this game mode with a specific rank only match ups
League of legends bans the player who leave mid game for 20 minutes before starting next queue, for 5 times.. how about do something similar but specifically for this game mode only?
at least you didn't talk about LIKED status to rank up for Standing BS... I think this is unfair to newer players too...Veteran players most likely have BUILDS that newer ones don't. Better builds and gear...makes FASTER KILLS...and thus higher % of a Win.
@pecros didn't I Also hear him say PvP as well at 1 point Also if you didn't read my comment correctly I specifically said "I can't confirm or deny it because I've never touched it" which means I never knew anything about that mode until now
@16ipm Nah, it's a game. If you either have or want to leave, you shouldn't be punished. Just fix the game not giving you the standing and vosfor if somebody leaves.
@@Clown_the_Clown If you have or want to leave, that’s on you, but you shouldn’t leave your teammates just because “i dont want to finish” No penalties wont fix the problem.
People really though the traditional concept of PvP and Raids can work in Warframe. Even Destiny 2 players are quitting, there is no build variety in Raids just the same build everyone has and PvP has its own copy paste cheeze builds, don't get me started with the Raid runners of that game lol Toxic AF. Heck people already do griefing in Duviri Circuit and thats not even PvP LMAO
Normal conclave is so terrible you get 500 standing per match that lasts 10 min when nothing breaks. This can easily be around 8 and you get 1 or 2k. Bettet RoI doesn't fix shit design tho
Ive played peak and dead hours and..never had any problems at all like these. As for leaves, unfortunately warframe lobbies arent always the most stable thats just a problem in the game sometimes not specific to face off.
I queued 3 times: first time one of the bosses had infinite health, so after hitting it with incarnon torid for like 3 minutes I left; second time we almost won, but somehow the other team managed to get extra 5% on the hijack part, and we lost; third time one of the golden keys spawned out of bounds inside a house, so we lost again. After that had no interest in playing the mode.
Face off is awesome it's exactly what i want, change your region to North America. The only issue that sounds like it need to be fixed is getting conclave points and vos. This I 100% agree
Didn't bother playing that node, It just doesn't seem interesting. Now with all of this you've described, I doubt DE will do much about it outside of fixing any bugs and glitches.
The fact that they worked on a PvPvE mode first and not on a raid (Or even a raid-ish mode) shows that they don't understand yet that Warframe is Co-op centered, anything else is going to be left forgotten (Looking at you, Conclave console gathering dust at the farthest corner of the orbiter).
Is it only 50? I've had runs getting100 for winning. My only complaint about it is the acos. Why are they showing up here? Its just annoying, take them out, have the game mode reward se at the end, win or lose.
When u wait on the other team and u wait and wait and all the sudden when ur teammates leave the game start aka they delaying to cause leavers for a easier win
It's a pvp mode. No one gives a shit about it. Honestly thought DE learned no one likes pvp in this game, yet they tried to shoehorn it in, wasting resources. Really should have let Conclave die as a whole completely, and remove it. So the small team overseeing this dead game mode can invest their time into the content that actually matters. And I'm not saying raids, because that brought so much toxicity to the game. But WF is a cooperative experience nonetheless. I get wanting to try something different, but this ain't it.
No surise anything PvP is broken. I had enemy team DC once and we finished against AI. But these fake bots are pretty op. Also anyone notice the broken controls sometimes because of the caliber chicks? I had so swap shift sides and the kaithe only works with one of them when not host.
What, ppl quit and host migration ruins everything? And as far as public MM goes, this was always going to happen, randoms vs try hards, What you expect? People will quit. The ave player can't even do excavation without screwing up and making it take twice as long.
the problem is that the winning team loses the rewards they earned if the enemy team quits... that part is a problem that needs to be fixed... the losing team can simply leave to spite the winning team removing their rewards for winning..
Why leave? You still get the reward that matter and the only thing you dont get is some vosfer. Some people need to grow up. Otherwise i havent had any real issues bedides some popr rrame choice from teamates. Otherwise win or loose its just a game. Plus its not like im getting conclave standing any other way.
I'll be honest, nobody cares about this node, there is no reason to even play it, any rewards that you get from this node you can get more and easier in other, simpler ways. If you don't like this SINGULAR PvPvE node in the ENTIRE GAME - just don't play it dude. If you don't like being competitive, just play any of the other ten years worth of content that's in the game!
adding this gamemode was a bad decissions like other youtubers already called ahead of time,the toxcicity will come with this and it did i would also say its a combination of making increasingly anoying terrain to move around in,it likes every new major update we get new ereas with even more things to get stuck on or clip killing your momentum etc...just disapointing rly
I think different queues could fix some aspects of what is going wrong. A 2v2 mode for people to just jump in at random and get paired with whoever for some casual fun. A 4v4 mode that requires pre-made squads, with penalties or timeouts for early leavers. Maybe even a 1v1 mode for solos. Idk. I think throwing everyone in the same queue is a recipe for disaster.
wow what a surprise, another broken activity. "we made it so you can only get standing vs players, but also if the other team leaves you might as well just be wasting your time". this couldve been a warframe endgame saver, but no DE and the entirety of 4 braincells couldnt figure out how to backfill a lobby.
I do a lot of PvP in games like Warframe and while it wasn’t on my list. Faceoff was definately a mode I was sold on playing. I’m so sad that it’s not working as intended. Because I could have really used an Arcane farm since I just discovered the new Minion Arcanes that made me excited to build for my faves again.
I played a few rounds of it. won most, lost a few. It was enjoyable to play, I'll take it over whatever the Christmas game-mode is, that mode is devoid of energy or fun
Major annoyance? BRO WHO TF IS PLAYING THIS MODE? SHIT IS POINTLESS 😂😂😂😂 just let the devs see it’s a dead mode they will remove it now stfu and stop complaining this shit did not need a entire vid of you just crying
Easy solution allow you to gain standing from facing off against Specters in ALL pvp modes. The queue times are ridiculous and all the host migration ruins the game. Half the time I can't even get a full team and it's really infuriating.
I like this new gamemode because I don’t need to kill other players to be good and get conclave rep
I like it too
Same
conclave standing as reward? and ruin my perfect 0/5000 standing since may 2019.
Hell yeah brother.👍
I'm 0/5000 since 2014
Same, 2015.
That's the funny part. You have to clear it to unlock steel path now
yikes, not being rewarded because the enemy team decided to up and leave for losing is just a bad game design choice wtf. You should get rewards scaling up to however many objectives you completed or something, and then get a choice to enter a specter lobby or leave with your current rewards imo (maybe with a screen similar to every 5 waves in a defense)
Yea warframe always have priblem with dc look af duvire half big bug are from dc
Both teams get the same rewards except 1 or 2 extra rewards at the end. If the enemy team dips, then they are just stupid cuz they still get rewarded for their time. And iirc dcd players are replaced with specters but im not sure what happens when the whole time disconnects.
@@enseleno if is the full team(20 second aren't enogth for host migration) is like the other game mod that is only vs specter so no standing or vosva
I like to pretend that warframe doesn't have a PvP mode
It should be a grineer vs corpus team pvp, warframes are to fast to be fun for pvp
@@KalleVonEi THATS GENIUS
they need to add a standing penalty for leavers and terminate the match after. but they need to make sure only the leaver gets the penalty
And that he is in fact a leaver, not someone who got host migrated/disconnected.
this could prompt DDOS'ing as a thing.... not saying it 100% will but systems that penalize drop-outs are risky business... the better answer is to lessen the desparity between winning and losing... if on standard a winner gets 30 vosfor but losers get 20 then they don't feel like they've just wasted the whole mission for nothing.... it'd be more of a waste to drop out at that point... you'd still get sore losers making the other team waste THEIR run but it may help
All i say is pls don't make warframe as League of Legends
@@nonaG123 i dont think people leave because of less rewards, even if they make both teams get the same rewards people will still leave cuz they can't handle losing. that's why i like the leaving penalty.
if some loser left because he's losing he will lose even more
This should NOT be added, especially if last gen is still going to be supported. Last gen players often get kicked out of games simply because their machines can't load into the game fast enough, and exprience disconnects MUCH more often compared to next gen/PC. Punishing last gen for being on last gen shouldn't be a thing.
"Oh, just make the game be able to tell the difference between a deliberate and unintentional disconnect!"
Can't. The game can't and never will be able to properly detect this.
"Just upgrade to next gen, what are you? Poor?"
Bruh
It's another lunaro. Just. No reason. To be there.
They should have made an 8 man raid like the old days.
Just another node to add to the bloat of unnecessary stuff the game has.
Overloaded with content that is never significantly reworked.
They can't. Build/warframe diversity is just too much. Destiny players learnt to cheese their raids, and they have 9 classes essentially. We have 50+ warframes.
sorry but the traditional concept of Raids and PvP just doesn't work for warframe,
also ppl are just to busy running other mission compared to doing PvP in the first place in a game like warframe.
lmao Raids? another dead game mode I tell you.
There actually _is_ a reason to play Faceoff, unlike Lunaro; It’s the only farmable source of Vosfor in the game. A minimum of 2 wins on the Steel Path guarantees enough for an Arcane bundle.
Players just are too busy grinding things and PvP is the last thing on their list to do LMAO
I TOTALLY AGREE with your video! I REALLY hate when a team reconnect, 9 out of 10, you're going to play against specters and won't get conclave points. DE needs to resolve this issue because it's not fair the stable team should be reverted/penalized for the other squad disconnections! 🤨😒
What bugs me about it is it counts as a node you have to clear for steel path now. New players might never unlock or clear steel path once this mode becomes old and forgotten like the rest of conclave
I did it once during the first week, looked at how much time it took for 1 run to get a measly 2000 standing for Conclave and said: "f*** this, I've got better things to do".
Seriously! The standing gain is way too low for the amount of time it takes to do a match and now all these issues on top of that?! Yeah, those Conclave cosmetics aren't worth the pain and I'm glad I walked away immediately.
Losing to sweaty maxers should not that bad of a "problem", but waiting for a long time to que and being stuck to host migration loops only to not earn conclave standing after all is indeed a big problem.
They should make that going in the game mode in public guarantees conclave standing.
Even better and 'generous' if they make it to the solo version aswell.
It’s a conclave problem. Every single time. The conclave community has always been a problem. Remember they were the ones who complained about universal medallions being able to be used for conclave standing until it was removed.
It's not the conclave community though. Conclave players are interested in conclave for "actual" PvP, this is not it. It's just the community in general and I guess humanity/biology and would've happen even if conclave didn't exist in the first place. People played unfairly back when the original PvP clan events/modes existed as well.
Let's not blame it all on the players though. DE should've expected how competitive play coupled with time grinds and meta focused gameplay would turn out and put systems in place to prevent much of this from happening
No bih, they are not the or a problem
Theres a conclave community?
You have enough PvE content, let PvP players have atleast a piece of the cake. There is no problems with PvP players. Just play your PvE and thats it.
simple fix- DE needs to stop with PvP game play all together. It is always a failure in some way, even their other PvP game didnt last.
Nah ion think so this PvPvE is cool jus they didn't think that far ahead when making it
No bih
Its cool that DE is attempting to do this just needs polish is all.
FCK no, see pvp adds about 500+ hours of gametime/ content on its own, with mods and earnable rewards 100 hours more. For endgame players who need something to do, being able to finally go broken build vs broken build is all they ever wanted. For the first time people can use their OP builds and not get nerfed after using them.
They aint stopping until they do necramech pvp.
They cant fix it, the problem are the players and they cant change them
I'm finally managing to rank up conclave, im LR4 and ive maxed everything else (bar the hex because apparenrly ive got to see if they like me on messenger, but thats a whole other rant), however I've had several games get stopped by glitches. Such as the jammers spawning under the map and costing us the game etc. Also, the devs need to address the slam builds trying to surpass damage attenuation. Screw slam builds, hope they nerfythat crap.
This game mode can be made way better with a good team, nova, volt, dante and titania seems to be good. But a bug can easily end your game. We had one where the final of the three assassination targets just didn't spawn. We were a stage ahead and just had to wait for the other team to catch up and win.
As for how to make pvp an option for warframe? Take the warframes out. DE have designed themselves into a corner with pvp in this case. Instead, have a corpus vs grineer mode, like Kahls missions. Level the playing field and make it fun.
Also, as with any PVP game that you don't want ruin REMOVE PC from crossplay! When it comes to pvp games they have the advantage, and since the introduction of crossplay its just been all negatives when it comes to pvp for us console players. Xbox players wanted to play with PlayStation players and vice versa. We never wanted to play with PC players. Hell, most PC players don't want to play with PC players.
Create a 3 strike system per day
1 leave: 15 minute wait for queuing
2 leaves: 30 minute wait
3 leaves: -5000 standing and locked from queue till daily reset
No. Just a flat standing loss that is at least equivalent to the winner reward.
It doesn't severely punish those who have to disconnect due to for example an emergency, and it punishes those who actively quit matches where they think they are losing. Either you stay in and earn some standing or leave and lose standing.
I don't think timeout is necessary in this case.
I dont think people actually care about the conclave standing, but if that's part of it, maybe have the losing team earn half the standing
-Standing for The Hex in all penalties so that these guys are essentially heavily punished for abandoning their team. And as for the team who stayed, let them keep normal rewards as in the Vosfor and standing so that their time was not wasted
So far the only problem i had was the exterminate mission spawning enemies so slow that the other team is at 100% while we are at 35% but there isnt anything to kill
Shoehorned "pvp" is never fun.
I played against the bots and didn't really understood the mode at all, some objectives wouldn't explain what we had to do and me and my team were stuck running in circles trying to figure out:
1) what to do
2) why were recieving damage and dying from nothing (enemy team debuf)
2) Visual clarity as every debuf was bright af and covering the whole arena.
by the end of it i was just confused but it allowed me to unlock the pvp mode. played it once, hated it as the same problems as before x10. Never touched it again. farming standing is way easier in the bounties, which btw, the expansion never tells you about. I started confused the first few days because, after the campaign, there was no direction and the only thing you can think of is either talk to the guy you level up the syndicate (in this case arthur) or go to the computer, where you can see the calendar with objectives and rewards and mission nodes. There was no indication, EVER, that the cardboard cutout on the garage was the bounty giver
I think the MIGHTY SEER could fix all our problems if we ask it to
They really should have looked at [Insert Hero Shooter of Choice Here] in terms of penalties for system abuse, as clearly it's where they're drawing inspiration from.
This is already super constrained by metas that instantly formed. If the team doesn't fit that? "HOST MIGRATION"
I agree 1000%. I've ALWAYS held that people who finish solo or with less than a full squad they should ALWAYS get to keep the rewards, and penalties should apply to the quitters.
Potentially It's the best chance to make conclave a decent thing, but the problems of migration and uneven teams are very annoying, still needs a good polish, just hope it doesn't get abandoned.
grindhard squad faloff is crazy
This is actually the most fun ive ever had. Never had to deal with disconnects or longass wait times fortunately
and the objectives are engaging and exciting. Although my limited inventory means no matter my build, it wont always be enough to damage the Assassin eximuses on SP.
But i heavily agree with the rewards, they are EXTREMELY lackluster. Needs more standing, more vosfor, and more arcanes. I dont mean a bigger arcane pool, i mean more duplicates. Just 1 isnt enough for a victory. Higher rate of arcanes, vosfor, and credits/hollars.
Can this guy just not talk or something? Always the robot voice
It's a long standing tradition, most OG Warframe TH-camrs acted like a cephalon and stuck with the character.
glad bro had the confidence to show his face and voice but something about this voice just tells me who i’m watching idrc i like the videos
Dont forget the key drop bug on the final mission. keys will spawn outside the map making it impossible to finish specially when your team or just you solo is ahead making you lose
I agree that the team which stays ought to get the full reward if the other team quits. It might also be a good idea to add some rewards for the losing team to encourage them to stay, just not as much of a reward as the winning team.
Soon as I read the patch notes about this mode I knew it would be sketchy... PVPVE is a baseline for toxic behavior in general which is already a shame as Warframe's community is pretty chill and helpful most of the time.
I'm surprised it's not more oppressive to actually play but then again this game has 1000+ ways of nuking a room so making it accessible to most people would mean it's probably not that actually difficult, having said that I KNOW there's a lot of noobs that try to play in the deep end with mediocre play/builds because there's often a strong carrier in almost EVERY lobby often more than one... Still though the idea of even 1-2 deadweights in a psuedo-competitive mode is bad enough but when you factor in how devestatingly disruptive a drop-out player is to a NORMAL mission having twice as many potential drop-outs/connection issues is a crap shoot....
Even the rewards on paper didn't look worth it... 30 or 50 vosfor is a joke... Vosfor is only really needed for grinding rarer arcanes.... you'd need to do 7 or 4 runs to get a batch of arcanes AND THEN fight the RNG with that batch pull, more than likely ending up with you just recycling the 3 crappy ones back into about 60-80 vosfor.... so as far as I'm concerned this mode either needs those rewards increased or done on a participation basis of consideration. The pain is that if you reward a team that stayed and punish the drop-outs then you 'may' see ddos'ing attacks.... I'd like to think the player base wouldn't be so cruel but many other multiplayer games get this problem when you have competitive reward systems especially if it rewards you being the "last man standing" kind of thing... I think both sides need to have a Vosfor reward for competion maybe less for the losers but at least an incentive to keep playing with humans on both sides... maybe 30 is for losers and 40 for winners for standard or something.... do this AND deny repeat ques of drop-out players...
Played the normal version and won, played the Steel Path got stuck on first part and lose. Win or lose still counts as completed node.
Never again returning to these misisons.
The amount that RNG weights upon the outcome of a match is also infuriating.
I'm almost certain that some metrics shift in order to manufacture tension, depending on who is in the lead.
Welcome to the fighting game community Tenno!
I deal with this all the time.
Still needs to be fixed
I played the solo version of this, and immediately found it unnecessary stressful. I don’t know what it was, but it simply didn’t vibe with what Warframe is to me and why I enjoy it so much.
I’d like to see them add conclave standing to Rathuum and Index
This is proof that PvP just don't work for warframe, at least it has a optional PvE instead.
People really like a PvP in warframe and complains because it does what PvP does in every other game LMAO
i literally can’t get an experience of the game mode due to long que times and players leaving, but only 30 vosver is insane, you can buy 300 from a syndicate daily for just playing a mission or 2 and with how long that game mode takes your better off grinding void cascade to trade in arcanes for vosver. the conclave standing would be the only reason to play it but even 1k-2k seems too low, assuming you have a 50% win/loss ratio and are mr 16, it’d take you 6matches daily to max out standing but that takes multiple minutes as opposed to fortuna you can mine for 10min n max out standing, cetus animal capture at night and max it withen 8min overall standing is roughly done withen a few min and that mode just takes too long to be worth anything especially with how players are and a 50% win loss is extremely generous, your more likely to lose unless you’re in a full squad
Yep, I’ve played 6 matches in total and all 6 matches ended as us playing with specters and not getting how proper rewards. Not going to touch that mode again, waste of time.
I've only done about 9 or so Steel Path runs of PvP Face Off... but I have had a blast, the normal frustrations of criticizing my teammates lol. But none of this
THAT BEING SAID. Nobody Rage quit in my experience. SO I have been lucky in that respect, they need to impose penalties on the people quitting and not the people staying and playing. VERY BAD DE
I'm not waiting more than 5 minutes for game to kick off which means I've yet to play a game with more than 4 players
The game really needs better reconection features. Most modern games have them and we still have to deal with a host migration even when a player doesnt want to leave the squad
I agree. It's to much, all the points you address is 100% true
No Cyte-09 video?
My biggest struggle is that it's slow af to up relationship levels with character
The level goes up every time you rank up with the syndicate
@MasterRyuuji I'm already max rank with the syndicate but I still struggle to get to the close level of relationship with Eleanor
@@angry_batman8142 You can send them gifts like once per day in the texting interface. Still takes some time though.
@@angry_batman8142 just send them the correft gifts bro its rly not hard
**OH LOOK**
- Lets take the INDEX and make it PVP!!
- thats a GREAT IDEA!! (No it is *NOT*)
Warframe **AS a WHOLE**
is **NOT ABOUT COMPETITION**
its about Co-operation.
So Bring back the retired 8 man Weekly events
that are SUPER Hard and make it about clearing the mission within a Time limit
or a Kill limit
PVP IS NOT GOOD FOR WARFRAME
Think Im Wrong?
Then Tell me
HOW MANY PEOPLE PLAY LUNARO?
Tbh I mostly don't play pvp because it is an very grindy island content that feels unintuitive by itself before any personal performance issues: warframe is a very fast paced game, trying to hit/track players in pvp is like trying to find the exact position of an electron in a given second xD Looks like flies with a overdose of caffeine fighting.
Unlocked the node and probably won’t go back
you get 3k standing if you win in steel path and can get 1.5k standing if you lose
Pvp orientated content its not for warframe simply as that. ...there s so many tweaks that need to be done and balanced and work for what for a gamemode that many people like me wont even touch
the fact I have to do this for steel path is annoying.
i do hope DE would fix and balance the issue describe, this annoying game mode where its like pvp conlcave styled mode, and you get to be enemy with a legend rank, i hope DE will find a way where at least 5 ranks gap can be matched with each other, like MR1 player will be matched with MR11 or MR15 at most, not like MR12 player be matched with a MR20, the disadvantage of weaponry and mods or builds in general is too gapped....i do know DE isnt very known for the PVP gameplay as conlcave was just left behind and only those completionist or has too much time would do this mode, at least they should limit this game mode with a specific rank only match ups
League of legends bans the player who leave mid game for 20 minutes before starting next queue, for 5 times.. how about do something similar but specifically for this game mode only?
at least you didn't talk about LIKED status to rank up for Standing BS... I think this is unfair to newer players too...Veteran players most likely have BUILDS that newer ones don't. Better builds and gear...makes FASTER KILLS...and thus higher % of a Win.
Personally I can't confirm or deny it because I've never touched it and I've always hated conclave and this was no different
this plays nothing like conclave tho lol. It's literally just pve
@pecros didn't I Also hear him say PvP as well at 1 point
Also if you didn't read my comment correctly
I specifically said "I can't confirm or deny it because I've never touched it"
which means I never knew anything about that mode until now
If it can't matchmake within a certain amount of time, it will pop the whole match with bots.
Use that information how you like
There should be no penalty for leaving, but you should still get rewards if someone leaves.
There ABSOLUTELY needs to be a penalty if you leave
@16ipm Nah, it's a game. If you either have or want to leave, you shouldn't be punished. Just fix the game not giving you the standing and vosfor if somebody leaves.
@@Clown_the_Clown If you have or want to leave, that’s on you, but you shouldn’t leave your teammates just because “i dont want to finish”
No penalties wont fix the problem.
@@16ipm Penalties won't fix the issue either, people who want to leave will still just leave.
@ Wont fix it comoletely, lf course, but it will decrease the amount of people leaving
The real problem is the PVE community…
People really though the traditional concept of PvP and Raids can work in Warframe. Even Destiny 2 players are quitting, there is no build variety in Raids just the same build everyone has and PvP has its own copy paste cheeze builds, don't get me started with the Raid runners of that game lol Toxic AF. Heck people already do griefing in Duviri Circuit and thats not even PvP LMAO
Id love conclave to get a huge rework in general and have a more active pvp, i enjoy playing that one 3v3 sports like mode with the ball and hoops.
I thought you were going to talk about performance but this is also a problem.
Normal conclave is so terrible you get 500 standing per match that lasts 10 min when nothing breaks. This can easily be around 8 and you get 1 or 2k. Bettet RoI doesn't fix shit design tho
why does this sound like an ai reading? its so damn monotone...
Because it is. Like he is afraid to use his own voice
I simply did NOT enjoy these missions. I stick with bounties, always.
Welcome to warframe my guy....
Ive played peak and dead hours and..never had any problems at all like these. As for leaves, unfortunately warframe lobbies arent always the most stable thats just a problem in the game sometimes not specific to face off.
I queued 3 times: first time one of the bosses had infinite health, so after hitting it with incarnon torid for like 3 minutes I left; second time we almost won, but somehow the other team managed to get extra 5% on the hijack part, and we lost; third time one of the golden keys spawned out of bounds inside a house, so we lost again. After that had no interest in playing the mode.
I didn’t have any of the problems you was talking about when I’m trying to face off yet
Face off is awesome it's exactly what i want, change your region to North America. The only issue that sounds like it need to be fixed is getting conclave points and vos. This I 100% agree
Didn't bother playing that node, It just doesn't seem interesting. Now with all of this you've described, I doubt DE will do much about it outside of fixing any bugs and glitches.
The fact that they worked on a PvPvE mode first and not on a raid (Or even a raid-ish mode) shows that they don't understand yet that Warframe is Co-op centered, anything else is going to be left forgotten (Looking at you, Conclave console gathering dust at the farthest corner of the orbiter).
I mostly play solo because of connection/performance. But I got your point.
also remove debuffs especially the ability increased cooldown and no health/energy pickup
The mode is just dead, i find it near impossible to have a match
Is it only 50? I've had runs getting100 for winning. My only complaint about it is the acos. Why are they showing up here? Its just annoying, take them out, have the game mode reward se at the end, win or lose.
When u wait on the other team and u wait and wait and all the sudden when ur teammates leave the game start aka they delaying to cause leavers for a easier win
It's a pvp mode. No one gives a shit about it. Honestly thought DE learned no one likes pvp in this game, yet they tried to shoehorn it in, wasting resources. Really should have let Conclave die as a whole completely, and remove it. So the small team overseeing this dead game mode can invest their time into the content that actually matters. And I'm not saying raids, because that brought so much toxicity to the game. But WF is a cooperative experience nonetheless. I get wanting to try something different, but this ain't it.
I miss the old GHS voice. Please go back. I hate this voice.
No surise anything PvP is broken. I had enemy team DC once and we finished against AI. But these fake bots are pretty op.
Also anyone notice the broken controls sometimes because of the caliber chicks? I had so swap shift sides and the kaithe only works with one of them when not host.
What, ppl quit and host migration ruins everything? And as far as public MM goes, this was always going to happen, randoms vs try hards, What you expect? People will quit. The ave player can't even do excavation without screwing up and making it take twice as long.
the problem is that the winning team loses the rewards they earned if the enemy team quits... that part is a problem that needs to be fixed... the losing team can simply leave to spite the winning team removing their rewards for winning..
Lmfao! Bro read this from a piece of paper he wrote
Why leave? You still get the reward that matter and the only thing you dont get is some vosfer.
Some people need to grow up.
Otherwise i havent had any real issues bedides some popr rrame choice from teamates. Otherwise win or loose its just a game. Plus its not like im getting conclave standing any other way.
The standing rewards needs to be buffed as well to 7.5k for the W and 5K for the L.
lol i never had problems joining this mode.
The debuffs are annoying, otherwise i like it
Isnt my playstyle to try hard so I wont even bother playing that.
Right and it's great for people who WANT to try hard
I'll be honest, nobody cares about this node, there is no reason to even play it, any rewards that you get from this node you can get more and easier in other, simpler ways. If you don't like this SINGULAR PvPvE node in the ENTIRE GAME - just don't play it dude. If you don't like being competitive, just play any of the other ten years worth of content that's in the game!
The no reward because of leavers is pretty bad I agree but everything else… welcome to multiplayer gaming
Played once.
4 mintues for a que
fairly balanced MR wise
no disconnnects or glitches
destroyed the enemy team (but not too much)
Ok I got lucky :)
i honestly dislike 1999,ngl.
Just don't allow dr or revenent in it lol
adding this gamemode was a bad decissions like other youtubers already called ahead of time,the toxcicity will come with this and it did i would also say its a combination of making increasingly anoying terrain to move around in,it likes every new major update we get new ereas with even more things to get stuck on or clip killing your momentum etc...just disapointing rly
I think different queues could fix some aspects of what is going wrong. A 2v2 mode for people to just jump in at random and get paired with whoever for some casual fun. A 4v4 mode that requires pre-made squads, with penalties or timeouts for early leavers. Maybe even a 1v1 mode for solos. Idk. I think throwing everyone in the same queue is a recipe for disaster.
wow what a surprise, another broken activity. "we made it so you can only get standing vs players, but also if the other team leaves you might as well just be wasting your time". this couldve been a warframe endgame saver, but no DE and the entirety of 4 braincells couldnt figure out how to backfill a lobby.
Still waiting for necramech pvp
Queu r waaaay too long.
I do a lot of PvP in games like Warframe and while it wasn’t on my list. Faceoff was definately a mode I was sold on playing. I’m so sad that it’s not working as intended. Because I could have really used an Arcane farm since I just discovered the new Minion Arcanes that made me excited to build for my faves again.
Womp womp.
I played a few rounds of it. won most, lost a few. It was enjoyable to play, I'll take it over whatever the Christmas game-mode is, that mode is devoid of energy or fun
Major annoyance? BRO WHO TF IS PLAYING THIS MODE? SHIT IS POINTLESS 😂😂😂😂 just let the devs see it’s a dead mode they will remove it now stfu and stop complaining this shit did not need a entire vid of you just crying
I love the mode and hate that they nerfed the health and stats of the assassination mission, that crap was super hyped.
How is Aurther Excalibur when Excalibur Umbra has it's own lore?
B/c Umbra is a special model Ballas created a warframe "shiny" variant if you will
Easy solution allow you to gain standing from facing off against Specters in ALL pvp modes. The queue times are ridiculous and all the host migration ruins the game. Half the time I can't even get a full team and it's really infuriating.