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Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. Her critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
But if you saw someone 30 years later, that was exactly the same I think something would trigger mentally. Not a look a like but the same exact person, you would at least think your wife kept in touch with Calvin Klein and had his baby lol
@@marketteers If you could remember him. It's been 30 years since I've graduated and there's tons of kids I have met that I wouldn't remember. Especially if I only knew them for a week... Then again I never had anyone save my life or hook me up with my wife and disappear... I could see your scenario if Marty just all of a sudden showed up in his life again 30 years later looking the same, but he raised him from birth and when you see the ppl everyday it's different
I always figured he eventually just chalked up the appearance of "Darth Vader from planet Vulcan" as a weird dream. The real wtf moment for George was probably later when he watched Star Trek and saw "Mr Spock" from "Planet Vulcan", but even more so when he first saw Star Wars in 1977 and thought "his suit should be yellow, not black".
So much had changed due to Marty's interference in 1955, that 1955 Doc would have realised that, although the photo showed Dave, Linda and Marty again, the future might turn out in such a way that there was a real danger that he and Marty might never meet for the first time in the early 1980s, creating a universe-destroying paradox. He already knew things were different because Marty told him that his father had never stood up to Biff in his life and yet he had just knocked him out. So Doc felt compelled to make sure that as much as possible between November 12th, 1955 and October 26th, 1985 happened the same way as it did originally, or as near as possible. So he befriended George and Lorraine at the earliest opportunity and became a friend of the family. That's why, for instance, the McFly family were still living in the same house, even though they were more affluent; Marty had indicated where he lived (was going to live) on Lyon Estates and Doc made sure that when George and Lorraine came to buy a home, they bought the right house. Doc also picked up on George's fascination with science-fiction as George succeeded in getting short stories published in magazines and anthologies. So, gradually, Doc set George up for the big reveal when he told him about his time travel experiments. In this timeline, George already knew that "Calvin Marty Klein" was his own son, but Doc warned him not to tell Marty in advance, in order not to risk Marty not going back.
This is incredibly intriguing, @mikenash7049. We love how your interpretation puts Doc even more in the front seat of Marty's life, which adds another incredibly reasonable explanation for why they are besties. The idea that George is in on it is also very fascinating, and it would have been great to see more nods to that in the film.
Not even that, but if Marty's mom and dad took different life paths as they normally would have, when they had sex and where would have a 100% impact on fertilizing the egg, let alone three - those kids would be completely different people.
In original timeline, Lorraine’s father hit George with the car. In the new timeline Marty was the one who got hit by Lorraine’s father car instead of George. As it’s been 30 years as I doubt they would have recognised, their son was the one who brought them together 30 years ago. Plus, in original script George had a feeling that. His son Marty could’ve been the same guy they met 3 ago decades ago. Whether George believed it was Marty or he look like the guy that brought them together. But it script and was never used.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing. We've never heard that about the script before. Interesting.
It's really quite simple. No matter how much you influence someone's actions, if they are successful, they will see it as mostly up to their own efforts. Never expect your advice to be appreciated because people like to take credit for their successes.
Also, time travel is impossible as far as the parents know, so it makes more sense that they wouldn't remark on the coincidence of this kid looking like their kid (and memories change)
Thanks for your comment. We definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
George decking Biff would've been the talk of the high school for WEEKS. Marty was there for a week. Lorraine, George and Biff see each other every day at school. That's why it would've been more cemented in their memory than Marty. Heck, in that new timeline, Biff was probably their best man.
well george did say "like i always told you i fyou put your mind to it you can acomplish anythign" which was the line he told george he siad he would never forget. so he is acknowleding it to some level. btw. not only did they have those interactions but this same guy also invented skate boards and rock n roll
i also thikn george may have known something. why? in the sence in 1955 the thin bully (not biff) tok lorraine again while marty was playing Earth angel. george saw marty dissappearing and then turned around to kiss lorraine. i think he knew something
It seems to me that when they credit Biff for their falling in love, they would remember the strange boy who appeared and pushed George toward Lorraine. In fact, they might remember the guarantee that they'd see him again. As someone once said, "Moms always know."
That's EXACTLY what we thought, @JohnRandomness105. It makes perfect sense that they wouldn't think that 1985 Marty is the same guy, but it always surprises us that they don't remember Marty at all. Thanks so much for taking the time to leave us a comment!
Yeah. I went to my 30 year high school reunion. People I knew from 6th grade all the way through senior year graduation I couldn't recognize. We all had to have name tags with our full names because of the possibility of father time and the changes most likely in a lot of us. These are people I knew 7 years straight during the formative years of my life, some of whom I had profound moments with. Yet couldn't place one of them till they approached me. So chalked it up to changing faces over an ocean of time. Then they did a slide show of them and now and everyone I knew looked pretty much the same. Time just erases over things from years long gone. George and Laraine McFly knew Marty exactly one week and sometimes for just a couple of minutes per day. Then he disappeared never to be seen again. Memories change, fade and warp. But, one week from thirty years ago that's not on your instant total recall speed dial of the mind is not beyond the realm of possibility. As a matter of fact, it's probably more probable than not. This is heavy.
@@pablosonic892 Exactly! Thank you for summing it up this well. So it would make sense to surmise that they DID remember Marty...but instead, just as some nice, useful, beneficial, yet fleeting, fly-by-night dude that was *helpful,* but not overly significant in their lives. George and Lorraine BOTH have minimalized his importance to them in their lives; George expressly takes credit for the "If you put your mind to it..." quote, and he totally credits *himself* and his own inner courage for putting Biff in his place and having the gall to get his science fiction stories published. The irony, of course, is that Doc Brown is really the ONLY one responsible - for both the initial quote AND the huge overhaul of the entire McFly family (and for eventually having one himself). But that's the irony of life - people credit themselves for things that aren't really all their own doing (hence the concept of *illusion* of control), and they say that you're "important" and that they'll "never forget you," but they do, and their memories do as well. Interesting, 'cause I think that's also a lesson to be learned here that I hadn't considered before. But I think that the reason for lack of acknowledgement at the end, from a writer's perspective, was more basic than that: it was to cause the viewer NOT to inquire about George and Lorraine's memories of the 1955 Marty (some "dude") vs. the 1985 Marty (their son), so as to avoid any potential confusion that might arise, and to avoid this same very issue that has been raised now. As such, the film flows better thru to the end, since the audience isn't allowed to stop and ponder the relevance of George and Lorraine's recollections and impressions of 1955 Marty to them in 1985. 👍
This is an interesting question, but i think you’re forgetting how long 30 years is and our memories. I know people with terrible memories yet i have a great memory. I’ll give you an example as my friends and I recently talked about the 25th anniversary when we saw The Phantom Menace in 1999. I remember my one friend walked out and put his head on the wall because he was shocked at how bad it was. My other friend said, “I liked it!” Both of them had no memory of anything from that night as they were shocked I remembered every detail. They remembered seeing the movie and that was it. They forgot my older brother came too. Marty’s parents could be 2 people with bad memories and they remember Biff more cause they went to High School with him everyday compared to this Marty guy who was there for a week.
You're right, @chrisolivo6591. People totally have bad memories, unless the event made a significant impact on their lives. As far as The Phantom Menace goes, is it possible that your friends blocked the memory? grace has tried to block Phantom Menace from her mind but has not been successful, so if your friends did block the movie, please give grace some tips.
The reason they don't remember him is because he had recently returned to 1985 and the Ripple Effect didn't have the time to fully unravel and change their memories. The way I see it, the Ripple Effect only rolls out once the person making changes to the past returns to their time because until the hole in the space-time continuum opens up, the changes stay localized to the time/era they were made in. That rift that you see opening when the Delorean hits 88 mph and is about to leave a certain point in time is what the Ripple Effect travels through. That's why old Biff from 2015 didn't die as soon as he went back to 1955 to give his younger self the sports almanac. It wasn't until he returned the Delorean to his own time (October 2015) that the Ripple Effect started rolling out & affecting him. For some things like the Twin Pines / Lone Pine Mall, the changes roll out faster but it seems with humans it takes longer for them to happen. Technically the Ripple Effect would still roll out had Marty been stuck in 1955 and had to live through those years & age 30 years to see 1985 again but it would happen much more slowly and in real time for him.
@kunserndsittizen2655 It probably did change. Remember Biff was eventually shot by Loraine. The town wouldn't stay the same. Things would begin to normalize. Besides where Marty lived in 2015 it was already a bad neighborhood.
@@onixm6365 it’s a plot hole in 2. Biff couldn’t return the DeLorean to that original time according to their own rules. Plus when Marty and Jennifer leave 1985 to 2015 they’d not have a family and just be missing for 30 years.
He is their kid. He didn’t just “pop” into their lives. He was born looking different then grew into the iconic “Marty McFly” when he was born he probably resembled extremely slightly the “Marty” from High school. Besides when “Marty” was leaving the dance he said to them “when your youngest son sets the carpet on fire take it easy on him.” The reason “Biff brought them together is because “Marty” was taken away by Biff’s gang before “the plan” could come together. George was going to fight Marty! He fought Biff! Plus even “confident George” couldn’t tell Loraine he set her up with Marty so he could look tough.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing. That's a great point about "confident George."
There was a very clever fanfic that I saw, maybe a year ago, where Marty and George are just talking like father and son. At a certain point, George can tell from Marty's tone of voice and body posture, that he is truly uncomfortable. If I'm correct, there comes a moment where George says the name "Calvin Klein", almost like a question...and when Marty whirls around in shock, George knows he's on the right track. Marty ends up telling his father the truth: Doc, the Libyans, all of it. By the end, George tells his son, "Don't say a word of this to your mother. She probably won't take it very well."
For all we know, George and Lorraine DID remember Marty. George was a sci-fi nerd, and probably open to the idea of time travel. Eventually Marty starts hanging around a weird local scientist. It wouldn't be too hard to put the pieces together. George probably figured out that if he tells Marty too much, then it could mess up the space-time continuum. So he decides to just keep quiet.
The thing everyone forgets is that we know everything Marty did to get his folks together because we're the friggin' omniscient audience. People don't keep in mind that the other characters don't know as much as we know; and the characters who know the most... it's in their individual best interests to try and forget. The plan was for Marty to be overly forward with Lorraine, so that George could "happen by", and "rescue" her. This plan is actually creepy as hell. We give it a pass because Marty's desperate, looking to survive, and he's our POV character. And then the plan goes awry, because of Biff. And George actually does rescue Lorraine. His pretend heroism suddenly becomes real. And that knockout punch triggered Biff's downfall. Yes, Marty was hit by his grandfather's car. Yes, he took Lorraine to the dance. And yes, he gave George some good advice. And Marty conspired with George to trick Lorraine. The trick, as planned, failed. And it's in George's best interest to never mention that plan to anyone, especially Lorraine. That's big part of what Marty did that George will never reminisce on. He'll try to forget. And of course, Lorraine doesn't know. We don't know what happened to Biff. Sure, eventually we learn about the almanac, and him trying, again, to kill "Calvin", etc. Which all may have contributed to his downfall as well (but again only Biff, Marty, and Doc know these parts.) But we know Biff attempted to murder or maim Marty fairly early on in the first film. And his attempted SA on Lorraine obviously became known. My best guess is that there was someone in town that protected Biff, and that after the attempted assault of Ms. Baines, that protection became too much for the protector. Biff was kept out of jail, but.... that was the end of it. Biff Tannen lost his power. So, in the grand scheme of things, while Marty's role in events was significant, it was small. Biff, former tormentor to George and Lorraine, had influence over a longer period of time. It's natural to attribute more weight to his contribution. Plus, in that scene, new George and new Lorraine weren't discussing how they fell in love. They were discussing BIFF, and his role in getting them together was only barely mentioned. Odds were everyone knew the story, why repeat it. It's not that George and Lorraine didn't remember Calvin "Marty" Klein. But after 30 years, that memory is going to be a little fuzzy.
How would they decide not to name their first born son Marty unless advised to wait for number 3? Biff crashed George's car when another car appeared. Parallel to Marty's accident "Down the road"
If Marty parents knew their son was the one, that set them up back 30 years ago. And had a family, would they have name him. Calvin instead of Marty, if they knew he was their kid from the future.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing. That is an interesting point about Calvin though.
I was in a car accident in 2007 (17 years ago at this point). It messed my back up pretty good. I was on the phone with the insurance company for weeks, and I had to repeat the name of the person who hit me every time I called. Thought I'd never forget her name, but these days I have no clue who it was and couldn't even describe her face to you any more. I remember she existed, sure, but her name? No clue. She profoundly impacted my life. I have chronic pain to this day. But I could not tell you much more about her than I already have (just that she was a teen talking on her cell phone who wasn't paying attention and crashed into me). Oddly, she happened to hit me right outside my doctor's office, so I walked inside, got checked out by him, and at some point went home, but I have no memory at all of who took me home. My car was wrecked that day; I know it got towed to a repair shop to be repaired. But I have no memory of how I got home that day, just that I did. Someone must have helped me, but I could not tell you who or why it was that person. I've totally forgotten someone who played a big part in my life, and my mental faculties were not impaired by the accident in any way. My head was not injured. Marty's parents probably forgot his name weeks or months after the event, but years later after the two married, they wanted to talk about how they first met and share that story with their kids. Having forgotten Marty's name, and the dad probably not really wanting to mention him at all because they had planned on tricking the mom into thinking he's super brave, they ended up telling and re-telling a story about George punching Biff and simply not mentioning Marty at all. Over time, that became their truth. It's not unrealistic that they could totally forget a guy who helped them that much. Would it have been nice if the movie had thought to make a reference to him being there? Sure. Is it necessary? No. It's believable someone could forget a person they only knew for 7 days or less, imho. Fun video to watch! Food for thought, in any event.
Firstly, thanks for sharing your experience with us. We are sorry to hear about your accident and hope that you are doing as well as you can be. This is such an excellent point about how trauma can impact memories, and you're the first person to bring this up. We totally agree that it's not necessary for Marty's parents to remember that "a Marty" existed, but it totally would have been cool lol. Thanks again for providing your insight, @xzonia1!
George isn't dumb. If Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan to interfere in his life, he'd put 2 and 2 together and realize Calvin Klein was in on it in some way. So either George thought Marty was an alien or he figured it out and eventually realized Marty was his future son. Whether or not Lorraine ever figured it out or was clued in is another story.
That actually makes sense. He doesn't know how it happened he just knows something happened and he decided it was best to not ask questions and then just give Biff credit
If people expect George or Lorraine to realized their son, was the that guy they met 30 years ago. Or at least suppose to look like guy, they met a week in their in 1955. Then shouldn’t people think that Biff, should have recognise Marty off bat too. I mean, Biff also interact with Marty/Calvin as well. How come he doesn’t seem to realise it was Marty as well, or at least look like the guy that he met back in 1955. Why should be just George or Lorraine to realized, it was their son that put them together or look like guy back in 1955. Biff should also be suspicious about Marty as well not just recognise it was George or Lorraine.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we don't expect George and Lorraine to think that 1955 Marty is actually their son. Her critique was around the fact that they (especially George) don't remember that "a Marty" ever existed. That's a great point about Biff though. He was probably scarred by the Calvin/Marty guy who ruined his car with all that manure.
I hung out with a guy when I was 14-18 years old. We were best friends. I've seen one or two people that have looked exactly like him just recently, but I know it's not him because they're only young kids. Obviously because it's not my buddy from my childhood, so I'm not going to approach him and strike up a conversation. They obviously remember Marty...they named one of their sons after him...the thing I never understood was why wouldn't they name their FIRST son after him? I think the biggest plot hole is the fact that there was an aged Marty and Jennifer with two kids of their own in 2015. When Einstein was sent one minute into the future in the first film "he skipped over that minute to instantaneously reappear" one minute later. So when Doc, Marty and Jennifer jumped 30 years into the future wouldn't THEY have "skipped over" those 30 years "to instantaneously reappear" 30 years later? From Doc & Marty's POV in the first BTTF, Einstein ceased to exist for that one minute, therefore from the POV of Biff (who saw the DeLorean vanish) Doc, Marty and Jennifer should have ceased to exist for 30 years.
Their future selves came back around the time their past selves left so they future selves that came back would live out the 30 years their past selves past over. Easy pesy.😏
Thanks for weighing in here, @ChrisReise. As grace mentioned in the video, we don't expect Marty's parents to think that 1955 Marty is their son. We are surprised that they don't remember "a Marty" ever existed. You do bring up a great point about waiting to name their third kid, Marty. It's totally odd. Great question about Marty and Jennifer! Time travel is super confusing, and your question proves that.
As Marty was growing up the parents noticed the similarity and probably talked about it, George must have even gotten blood tests to see if he was the father, lol, they wouldn't be saying how much this Marty looks like that guy everytime they see Marty...
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
They probably figured that Marty in 1955, whose real name Lorraine thought was Calvin Klein, went on to launch a highly successful and famous line of underwear.
There is no Mandela Effect. The cinematic inversions I've discovered everywhere has formed the most complex web of PsyOp Apples and Oranges our labrat brains could ever imagine
When I was a senior in high school we had a foreign exchange student from Australia for the first semester. I saw him in the hallways every day. He was at all the Foreign Exchange Student Club gatherings and parties. He even came to my house once for one of those parties. But if he walked into a room and said hello to me right now I wouldn't know it was him unless he told me. I literally cannot remember what his face looked like.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
@@OurOnlyThing But in the scene she is referring to where she mentions that Lorraine's dad hit George with car that she should "remember" ditching him to go on a date with Marty. When Lorraine tells the story about her Dad hitting George with the car it is in the timeline where Marty has not been in 1955 yet. She would not have even met Marty in the past at that point. But also, we never see them "NOT" remembering Marty. Marty is only in the "new" 1985 for the last five minutes of the movie. There is no conversation where they say they don't remember a Marty from the past. Like the line about "accidentally setting the couch on fire" is a reference to something that probably did not happen in the new timeline since Marty actually changed history but had to set it right. So they wouldn't remember being told to go easy on a kid who set fire to the couch, because that no longer happens. And it is true that if George hadn't knocked out Biff, Lorraine would not have fallen in love with him. So it *WAS* Biff that brought them together. Marty TRIED to bring them together, but failed. George ultimately won Lorraine's heart by knocking Biff out during a traumatic moment for her.
What about the Other Marty? Our Marty - Let’s call him “Marty Prime”, erased the parents he grew-up with. And replaced them with “Better Parents”. ☝🏽But those Better Parents presumably would’ve went to on create a totally different Marty, Other Marty. A Marty we never saw. Who travelled back in time one night &...never came back? 🥺 Replaced by Marty Prime? I LOVE TALKING ABOUT FICTIONAL TIME TRAVEL ISH
This is such a great point, @jaymz010. Does your head start to spin when you talk about time travel? Our heads do lol. Anyway, @plowe6751 left an awesome explanation here that will probably solve this conundrum. Or maybe it will bring on more questions lol! ;)
I wouldn't say erased. I would say created an alternate universe. Prime Marty left his world and came back in a world where Marty beta grew up in Lone Pine world. And when that beta Marty went back in time, he somehow muck things up and returned to Twin Pine world. So now you got parallel realities that are close but not the same.
In a fun bit of trivia, when Marty goes back to the future 10 minutes early and sees his past self take off in the DeLorean, that specific take of the scene is from when Eric Stoltz was playing Marty. My headcanon is that Stoltz is the "Other Marty" who went back in time and he "became" Marty Prime/MJF during the course of his adventure into the past. It's dumbed down for viewers into always being MJF.
There is no other Marty because in BttF there are no timelines, only 1 universe that changes when changes to the past happen as a result of the Ripple Effect. Those "timelines" are merely different states of a singular universe. Otherwise Marty would never see Jennifer again instead of her just waking up in the same universe in BttF3 because she would be stuck in an alternate timeline. But that didn't happen because there is no other timeline. It was only drawn as such by Doc Brown to illustrate an altered state of the singular universe---a state that Marty & Doc were unfamiliar with where Biff was powerful & corrupted Hill Valley.
Technically there are no timelines in BttF, but instead there are different states of the universe since there is only 1 universe that evolves due to the Ripple Effect when changes to the past are made by a time traveler. That's why Jennifer wasn't stuck in the alternate 1985 because that 1985 was just another state/version of the same universe that evolved back into something mostly similar to its former state prior to old Biff stealing the Delorean & giving his younger self the almanac, except the universe post BttF2 had the added history of a 2nd Marty in 1955 trying to get the almanac back & succeeding. Doc merely draws the alternate/bad version of 1985 as a timeline to illustrate his point that somewhere in the past, something happened to change the state of the universe from what they knew to its current corrupt state. But what you said would make sense if you just remember that "1st timeline" is really just the original state of the BttF universe where Marty had never been to 1955 for them to remember him. For me the answer is simple, that post time travel George & Lorraine didn't exhibit memories of remembering Marty from 1955 because the Ripple Effect hadn't fully given them the chance to remember him because it takes time for it to fully roll out and it doesn't happen until the rift in the space-time continuum opened when the Delorean hits 88 mph and traveled through time for the Ripple Effect to roll out to the future (1985). Until then, it stayed localized and even when it rolled out, Marty had just returned. Think of it as the same reason old Biff didn't die as soon as he gave his younger self the book in BttF2 as we saw him disappear due to Lorraine having killed him in 1996 based on the script (not sure if that's considered canon in the theatrical release but I always assumed all the alcohol he had access to must have caused him to die somewhere along the way and old Biff disappearing was due to that (because he wasn't supposed to be alive until 2015 due to cirrhosis or whatever).
It only seems that way because of third person omniscience. Neither George nor Lorraine know all Marty did to get them together. Not to mention she was almost raped. That trauma could easily fog surrounding events.
Here’s my take on this. I could be way off on this, but I don’t think so. So here we go - when Marty returned to 1985, it was NOT HIS 1985. In the NEW 1985, Marty NEVER went back in time. In thus NEW 1985, George fought Biff on his own because he is a different George. - Like I said, I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
The main reason Doc somber after dropping Marty home was he SAW the time circuit display which told him of the 10 min difference and newly formed skewed Reality which Doc could repair with NO ONE ELSE aware of it. I once paused the scene when Doc first explains the time circuits and turns his wrist as Marty records. His watch read approximately 2:40 a.m. despite the Hill Valley time being just around 1:30 a.m. Also...the info 55 Doc received included the functioning Flux Capacitor which was inverted from the sketch Doc drew after the head bump. As Above...So Below in HILL VALLEY! 🔺🔻
But here's the thing. For Loraine, Marty was just a guy she was infatuated with for about a week. She had no knowledge of George being helped by Marty to get her, or that anything that happened at the dance was meant to be staged. From Loraine's perspective, George stopped Biff from raping her. A situation Marty played no part in to her. There's really no reason for marty to be seared into her memory after such a short period of time. Now George does remember him because of the impact he had. The evidence for that is the guy on his book cover is from what happened in his bedroom when he was a teen. However, remembering someone & what the did for you is very different from remembering thier looks in such detail that after 30 yrs you randomly recognize them in your kid. Now even if George thought Marty played a major role in him getting Loraine, which his book suggests he does, why would he ever contradict Loraine. What would he say? "Well actually I was really there to pretend to knock out Clavin Kline who would've been pretending to try to rape you, not to actually knock out Biff who was actually trying to rape you". Nah, i don't see him doing that.
We agree that Marty didn't have the same kind of impact on Lorraine. As grace also notes in the video, we certainly don't expect either parent to remember what Marty looked like or to think that their child is the same Marty from 1955. That's an interesting point about George not correcting Lorraine on what really happened with Biff. That makes total sense that he would want to be the hero (which he is).
If their kid looked like that Marty guy from the 50s, George may have become suspicious/questioned if Marty was the father of little Marty (keeping in mind that George was unaware of the time travel aspect of it). And what about the possibility of Marty eventually telling his parents what actually happened (or at least trying to)? The element of secrecy about time travel in the 50s revolved around the delicate situation that he must get his parents together. Once everything worked out, that need for secrecy would be gone. (I'm commenting within the first film's universe, not 2 or 3.)
That's a really great point, @zvoidx, about George. We're guessing that Marty probably just wanted to put the whole thing behind him (or in front of him since he does end up in 2015 lol). We definitely would do that if our moms hit on us in the past.
@@charlescole645 Calvin could've hooked up with Lorraine in the late 60s to father Marty, with George being the father of the first two. Edit: I mean, George might suspect an affair regarding their third child that looks like Calvin/Marty.
@zvoidx yeah from George's POV Lorraine could have just bumped into Clavin again maybe he came back to town to visit Uncle Doc and they just hooked up one day before he went away again
No, the Lorraine from the beginning of the movie never met Marty. She is the product of not having gone through the movie., of not having the trouble with Biff. The only parents who should remember Marty are the ones at the end of the movie ; Marty number two’s parents. And they might not remember him because they really don’t remember everybody they’ve met . But she liked the name Marty.
I’m around 1985 George mcfly’s age and I don’t remember anyone from high school that I don’t still have as friends. Let alone anyone who was visiting for 1 week.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
I think Back to the Future is a loop, of which you only see one side. There are two Martys. One whom you see, gets around via skateboard, so I will call him Skateboard Marty. Marty goes back in time, changes the future so that his more successful parents raise a Marty who drives a pickup truck. Pickup truck Marty. Remember when Doc came back from 2015 to tell Marty that Marty and Jennifer have a problem, and Marty asks, “what happens? Do we become a-holes?”. I think that is what happened to pickup truck Marty. He became a jerk. Doc probably sent pickup truck Marty back to 1955, just to spite him for being a jerk. When Pickup truck Marty goes back in time, he does not save Lorraine from being hit by a car, so George McFly does it. He also never sets up the scheme that leads to Biff trying to rape Lorraine and George defending her. The McFlys grow up as they originally did, and raise Skateboard Marty, to close the loop. Pickup Truck Marty goes back in time right after Skateboard Marty returns , so Skateboard Marty can take over pickup truck Marty’s life, as if nothing happened.
I've always felt like BTTF 2&3 retconned the way time worked. Let's say that it altered the past thus making the original '85 from the start of the movie nullified.
They never took a picture of Marty and human memory is notoriously poor. That's part of why eyewitness testimony in court is so unreliable. They may well remember their 'friend Marty', but after 30 years their memories of his face are probably pretty blurry
Thanks for commenting, @dansdiscourse4957. We certainly don't expect them to recall that 1985 Marty is the same one from 1955. We're just surprised that they (especially George) doesn't remember that "a Marty" existed.
@@OurOnlyThing Well it's true we don't hear them mention 1955 Marty, but then again we only see one scene in the new timeline. That's not much of a sample size. It's not much evidence either way for if they remember 1955 Marty or not
In his parents’ timeline Marty would have looked like Marty well before he returned from the 50s and therefore they may have acknowledged the similarity before Marty’s return.
Thanks for comment, @mza5817. We certainly don't expect them to recall that 1985 Marty is the same one from 1955. We're just surprised that they (especially George) doesn't remember that "a Marty" existed.
Doc manipulated everything in the opening which explains Marty having the unreliable digital watch that leads him to visit Docs are when he SHOULD have been at school!! Doc called KNOWING Marty was there after blowing the Amp. Again...knowing Marty was asleep at night Doc called to request the garage/camera detour. He also cried the libyans to the Mall lot .
We've never seen that episode, but we're adding it to our watchlists! By the way, grace loves your handle. When she saw it, she immediately started singing, "Feel my heat."
He could have had one hell of an impact, but his face can get lost in the sauce. They obviously remembered Marty, but the specifics even down to the Calvin Klein, may have just got lost in the many memories.
Everything 1955 Doc needed to know was prepped and provided for him by 1985 Doc without Marty knowing it. How so?? Mm the case containing cotton underwear placed in the FRONT compartment intentionally since 55 Doc would check under the hood for STARTER repairs while Marty had his Day One in school. That is why Doc was watching the camera when Marty returned from his skateboard adventure in the square.
I’m curious why people think his parents don’t recognise him when he is growing up? Also they already name their child Marty, it wasn’t because of the time travel this happened. Before the time travel Marty was called Marty. Am I missing something?
As grace mentioned in the video, we certainly don't expect Marty's parents to think that 1955 Marty is their son. Her critique was around the fact that they (especially George) forgot that "a Marty" ever existed. There are a lot of great comments from other viewers here who can help answer your question about the time travel.
Thanks for your comment. As grace said in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
Sorry, they know everything just as Doc from early version of 85 did. It's common sense. That is why he received the Black 4×4 after the clock tower lady witnessed his drooling before giving the flyer per Docs instructions.
I'll throw you for a loop. Marty doesn't look like either of his siblings. He looks exactly like the guy Marty they knew in high school... so what's going through George's mind when he thinks back and compares the two? He would suspect his wife hooked up with the old college flame Marty and got PREGNANT! In this timeline the thought eats at him and they eventually break up! Marty ends up destroying his family!!!
Marty definitely had influence and set up the interaction in the car, but George punching Biff was done all on his own. George had no idea it was going to be Biff in the car with Lorraine.
My Mandella effect is that I remember Harrison Ford starring in "Falling Down" and the cop near retirement, Officer Pendergrast, was played by a black man. Somebody has messed with the time-line.
The moment when George decks Biff could have been called the Biff incident and was shorten to ‘Biff’ between the two. I know in movie that Marty sets up the situation for George to deck him, but Biff intervenes. And Marty’s Mom’s point of view she just saw Biff run off Calvin and George came to save the day.
I can barely remember the faces of friends from childhood that I spent days weeks months and years with. A friend of 1 week I would not remember. Also, Marty's parents did copious amounts of acid in the 60s. The 50s is a foggy memory. George likely overtime faded the memory of the encounters with Marty out to make him the main character in his story. Lorraine likely suppressed feelings for other boys out of respect for George became her number 1 guy and no other boys mattered after that punch.
The other weird plot twist is that Doc knows Marty before he is even born which then Doc need to figure out when he needs to befriend Marty. Which I have to point something out. At the garage where Marty blew up a giant speaker, Doc said his experiment worked and all his clocks where 25 mins slow. I would believe Doc already time travelled before that night. Doc time travelled 25 mins by setting all his clocks 25 mins slow. Which bring me to believe that Doc probably saw his future and everybody's else.
This is a really cool theory, @thebandit7623. It would also explain why Doc has a clock with a man hanging off of it (we see it in the opening of the movie, which grace noted in our breakdown video). He probably placed that clock there after one of his time travels.
Marti was in 1955 for about a week. People in their 40s don't remember a face of someone they've seen for 1 week 20+ years previous. Even if they do remember Marti they won't remember his face.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
I’m 46, so I sadly have memories that are 30 years old. I remember random thoughts I had at 16, let alone someone I kissed. And Lorraine and George seem to get together at this point so they’re not out with multiple people. When I talk to people my age we tend to remember every crush, kiss and dumb thing we did. The details may be off slightly, they may remember the wrong dance or the wrong car type, but the emotion of what you felt remains and you remember who gave you that feeling. Especially for an event like Biff trying to assault her and getting decked. Also, George remembered enough about Marty to make it the basis of his book.
We are also around your age, so we can relate. grace has always had a really strong memory and is confident that she would remember "a Marty." We love what you said about how "the emotion helps your remember WHO gave you that feeling," because that is the entire point that grace was trying to make. Marty was so important to George that he did base his book upon one of the experiences they had (even though he didn't realize Vader was actually Marty lol).
I think people take the ending of this movie a little too literally, it’s the message that the filmmakers want you to focus on. Everybody views this scene from Marty’s perspective and already knowing his journey, but I do believe that they do remember him, it’s just that from his parents perspective, in the new timeline they raised Marty since he was a toddler and Im sure that as he grew up, for them he resembled Marty from 1955 not truly knowing that he was the same person.
This diskussion is as old as the movie and its superfun when every 10 years or so the question is asled by a new generation. The answer may shock you: Its a movie and just the only thing thats really badly solvedin a script that is considered one of the best scripts ever written. Just deal with it, A little tip: Whenever such theorems keep you awake at night in the future, and this includes the question of whether we live in the Matrix or how particularly striking Mandela effects can be explained (my favorite example is Brittney Spears' missing microphone in "Oops I did it again" which she still reaches for in the music video), ask yourself the following 3 questions; Would the answer help me? 1. To prepare my tax return 2. To become a better person for my fellow human beings 3. To get laid properly again (these tips were originally written for men) If you don't get at least one YES, stop worrying about it. You can't change it and it has no meaning for your life. Except that you become weird over time ;-)
I find it hard to believe that Doc would ever build te time machine after dealing with implications of time travel in 1955. And if were to sone reason still aspire to achieve time trave, he would've done it many years earlier. He already had a working time machine in is possession for a brief time in 1955.
Thanks for your comment. We agree that Doc's adventures should have prevented him from further toying with time travel, but if he hadn't of built it, he probably would have disrupted the ultimate timeline even further.
If the timeline changed, it changed retroactively so it would have been at some point, years before Marty first seeing the new timeline that his parents might have noticed a similarity between their son and the Marty from the 50s and as their son would gradually turn into that “Marty” they may not have consciously noticed it at all. Likely, their Marty largely and gradually overwrote the memory of the guy from way back who they named him for. It is not like when he came out of his bedroom it was the first time they had seen him since the 50s as it was for him.
Thanks for weighing in on this, @RowRideRun. We certainly don't expect Lorraine and George to remember Marty (their actual son) from the past, but we are surprised that they (especially George) don't remember a Marty at all. Your idea of Marty overwriting that memory is totally possible.
Thanks for your comment, @frankd5119. As grace mentioned in the video, we didn't expect them to remember what he looked like. It was more about remembering "a Marty" existed in 1955.
It's not a plot hole... they would have grown up with the kid and he just would have looked as he looked... they have no pictures of him and he was in their lives for like a week an a half. They would have forgot what he looked like and here is the most important part.... The Marty they remember wasn't the same Marty that came back. Marty couldn't come back to the same exact timeline... he had to come to a time line where his DNA, his molecules would have existed... that means the two of them conceived Marty at the same exact genetic moment despite all that changed. (the third son) This means they needed a timeline where all the genetic material in their bodies had to line up perfectly for a egg and sperm with the right DNA to line up and produce him... I don't have time to write this out properly... but basically the Marty from the timeline that at the beginning of the movie wasn't the the exact timeline created by his actions. As such the time line he ended up back in was one where a different Marty that looked maybe like Eric Stoltz went back in time and didn't interfere resulting in no changes... So the Marty they remember was a little taller and looked very different... The other thing is the Jennifer changes... which means the marty at the end of the first movie is not the same marty at the beginning of the second movie...
Thanks for weighing in here, @Kaziklu. We haven't heard this exact explanation yet, and it sounds totally plausible. Thanks for taking the time to share it.
@@OurOnlyThing sorry as I have time to give it a bit more. So if you have a three marty problem Marty 1a goes back in time. He is well off... he does nothing to impact is parents but he hangs out and interacts a little bit but really not much... But his parents lives are different enough he isn't born and they are now poor. Marty 2a is born after Marty 1a does his thing... he mucks around nearly prevents his parents getting together and has to fix things and ends up making his parents well off but changes enough he isn't born. Marty 3a is born wealthy... goes back in time doesn't interfere much with his parents but interacts enough he isn't born and they end up poor.. instead Marty 1b is born... who is genetically the same as Marty 1a but poor. So now you have 3 Genetic Marty's 1 going back wealth coming back poor and one going back poor and coming back wealthy. Each Marty comes back to a time line where there was a genetic duplicate Marty that had the life they created from playing around with the time line. Basically you have an infinity odd set of Marty's with an infinite pair of outcomes. This is why Doc realize there is no danger if you mess things up a little. It is a variation of the many worlds interruption. Because of this if our Marty is Marty 1B they actually remember Calvin Klein as looking more like Marty 3a (say Eric Stolz not Michael J Fox). Actually you can go further than that... as it's been in my head now... As it can get really dark. Marky 1a that is who our Marty going back in time has lived a good life... Doc has him prep everything... he sees Doc put on the bullet proof vest... and so to him doc is fine and never says anything.... His parents have told the story how George a big nerd in school and he was in a tree peeping on a his mom... but they never mention that Calvin Klein pushed him out of the way and Loraine was a big creepier. So Marty doesn't interfere. Marty hangs out with Doc for a couple of days they work together to set up the car to get him home... they have lots of time to fix the wire when the tree branch falls... and Marty has time to tune the car a little so it doesn't crash and starts properly. Given that he isn't playing match maker. He sets the time machine to arrive at the same time as he isn't trying to save doc. Marty comes back to 1985... but he comes to Marty 1b (our Marty's time line) Doc is laying dead for at least 10 minutes... police are on their way... Marty arrives in time to be taken into custody as a possible accessory to the plutonium theft, at the very least as a witness. The Time Machine is taken into Custody. He finds out his truck is gone, his parents aren't well off, his dad is the same dweeb from High School, his Mom is really off, his brother and sister are slackers and the weaselly car detailer Biff is his Dad's boss. It will be a nightmare for him that he likely can't fix.
Weird this is the second video I've seen talking about this and it baffles me. I mean it was thirty years ago for them. They only saw Marty for like what a week? You can remember a name, but to think they'd have a photographic memory of him and even if they did think he looked similar they'd just brush it off as coincidence
Thanks for your comment, @jvanek8512. As grace noted in the video, our critique isn't around them recognizing 1985 Marty as the same Marty from 1955. We are surprised that they (primarily George) don't remember that "a Marty" existed.
also just a thought of what could have happened, if Lorraine said she really liked the name "Marty" and decided to name her son it, they could have named their first son Marty and Marty is now named Dave?
the one with the “full tank” had its fuel tank drained for long term storage in that mine shaft. it has to be left undisturbed (ie can’t be pilfered for ICs etc to repair) so that Marty can use it in 1955 as the “second” Delorean to travel back to 1885 and to intervene and prevent Doc’s early death “over a matter of $80” 😉
My explanation is simply that the absence of Marty in the story of how they got together was purely for the benefit of Marty's siblings. Who doesn't know about time travel. So to protect them and present day Marty, the story was redacted slightly. I a theory that said Geosrge knew by the end that Marty was his future sin. They state that due to George's love of science fiction, he had an open mind when it came to the unexplained. So George and Lorraine know the truth, but they don't talk about it in front of their other children.
It'd mainly be memory. I barely remember anyone's faces from 30ya let alone someone I met for a week. Bear in mind too that George hitting Biff would be more significant than a brief date who didn't help her. And that doesn't even take in the possibility of Doc befriending George and slowly letting him in on the secret that his youngest son would time travel and be pivotal to their lives.
Not a thing. They raised a baby, toddler, child, then adolescent who eventually looked like someone from 30 years in the past. They have no pictures of 1955 Calvin Klein or likenesses to work from. His impact was huge, but ideas last much longer than perfect recall of the genesis of those ideas. They're more likely to have deja vu and move on with their own problems. Very close to the principle of "Everyone's too busy thinking of themselves to think about you." George and Lorraine didn't fixate on Calvin, so his details disappeared.
Thanks for your comment, @PatrickBoberg. As grace mentioned in the video, we didn't expect them to remember what he looked like. It was more about remembering "a Marty" existed in 1955.
George knew Marty was his son from the future - if you pay attention to the film and the performance by Glover you can clearly see he has figured it out by the Enchantment Under The Sea Dance
Too many channels are discussing PLOT HOLES while NONE of you seems to know the TRUTH about all Hollywood films. Michael JF was set to play McFly years earlier. As shown during Fast Times at Ridgemont High which also links to Teen Wolf, the Abstract Inversion of Back to the Future released the same month.
Not sure how long you been experiencing the M.E. but my first major timeline jump was the 16th June 2016, next morning my anatomy very different, traffic lights upside down, movie lines different plus hundreds more impossible changes. Some ppl see a change in the delorean. I'd love to talk you about the M.E. to compare if we from the same or similar timelines 😎
Another channel raised an interesting point that might be helpful here. There is a possibility that due to his predisposition for SciFy and Marty's poor handling of the past and constantly calling him Dad, that George put together the truth that CALVIN was a time traveler and infact his son when he saw his hand disappearing on stage. He already had a believable encounter with Death Vader that week so it isn't a stretch. He may have consciously let the story change for Larains benefit over the years so that she would downplay the memories of that random guy she briefly liked in Highschool.
This is a really great theory, @bafumat. Thanks so much for sharing it. It does seem plausible that George figured things out and may have led Lorraine down the path of forgetting since she would not be as open as he was to accepting the reality that 1955 Marty was her son. George's love for sci-fi certainly supports that theory just like you said. Fascinating!
Wasn’t this covered in the dialogue between Doc and Marty in 1885 Hill Valley once Doc releases him from the noose with his sniper rifle? something about the lightning bolt overloading the Delorean’s time circuits (since they were already activated to return to 1985 from 1955) 🤔
@@bruce_just_ I'm not satisfied with that explanation... Because here to for... 88... 88... 88... And even after... 88... 88... Why have a rule of you are just going to break it when convenient.
First, how much do you remember a friend you hung out with for one week decades ago? Second, they watched Marty grow from a child he didn’t just show up one day looking like Calvin.
Well in my personal experience memories can be flawed. I've met people and then see them again after many years and my recollection of what they looked like is similar but different and people age. The new 1985 versions of George and Lorraine only had a few minutes of screen time they might've extensively talked about Marty. Also from Lorraine's point of view Biff would be credited with getting them together it was all part of Marty's plan but George probably would not have told Lorraine about Marty setting up for George to come in as the hero.
Thanks for leaving a comment, @SyphusBatterus. That's a great point about the limited screen time. It makes us wonder what also might have been cut from the film.
I am 53 now. surely can remember the important friends...but their faces 30 years later im comparision with my son? I guess the brain will work around this, cause, FACT: there is a mechanism that protects us for going mad!! It WILL find a logical answer and block this out.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
We just started, so we're very much in the building stage. Thanks so much for taking the time to leave us a comment, @AidanLovesMinecraft. You made our night!
“The Manure - …..I *remember* that…!!” Well, up until about a day and a half ago (DeLorean Mean Time), That had never even happened to him, before - Yet, still, OldBill (from The-Future) has been able to remember the stink (and the •taste• of that manure all of him, his boys, his bodywork, his leather upholstered interior - …..it’s a sensory modality thing; visual memories are the least durable, reliable and not to be trusted over time; faces are the first to go, as any child of a parent with Alzheimer’s quickly discovers; But more generally, I, myself, can recall *SEEING* certain particular things in the “live” network TV broadcast feeds on The Day of 9/11 that I *know* for certain as a matter of absolute, empirical FACT, I *did* not, nor *COULD* not have seen on the TV that day, because I know for a fact that that those thing *DIDN’T* happen - The Jumpers, specifically. And yet I still remember SEEING them that day, although now only very vaguely. (The memory had become confused with the 1Year Anniversary Broadcast on 9/11/02, Hosted by Robert DeNiro - Yes, I know : “Robert DeNiro..?! The ACTOR..?!?” Yes, THAT Robert De Niro.
Thanks for such a well thought-out comment, @spikeep6141. Whoa on Robert De Niro! We totally agree with you on sensory modality, and let's face it. That much manure is unforgettable unfortunately. However, grace mentioned in the video that we don't expect Marty's parents to recognize him as the same Marty from 1955. Her critique was more around the fact that they (especially George) forgot that "a Marty" ever existed.
Here’s my take on this. I could be way off on this, but I don’t think so. So here we go - when Marty returned to 1985, it was NOT HIS 1985. In the NEW 1985, Marty NEVER went back in time. In thus NEW 1985, George fought Biff on his own because he is a different George. - Like I said, I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
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I've dated girls for a week in school that I couldn't recognize in a crowd 10 years later, let alone 30 years apart
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. Her critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
But if you saw someone 30 years later, that was exactly the same I think something would trigger mentally. Not a look a like but the same exact person, you would at least think your wife kept in touch with Calvin Klein and had his baby lol
@@marketteers If you could remember him. It's been 30 years since I've graduated and there's tons of kids I have met that I wouldn't remember. Especially if I only knew them for a week... Then again I never had anyone save my life or hook me up with my wife and disappear... I could see your scenario if Marty just all of a sudden showed up in his life again 30 years later looking the same, but he raised him from birth and when you see the ppl everyday it's different
Traumatic events do tend to etch our memory deeper.
George's friggin book is the recognition there was a Marty. The cover is literally the scene from George's teenage bedroom.
Thanks for your comment, @joshuapowers4623. That definitely seems plausible.
I always figured he eventually just chalked up the appearance of "Darth Vader from planet Vulcan" as a weird dream. The real wtf moment for George was probably later when he watched Star Trek and saw "Mr Spock" from "Planet Vulcan", but even more so when he first saw Star Wars in 1977 and thought "his suit should be yellow, not black".
The look that George and Lorraine give Marty as they look out the door.... that tells all. They knew.
That is such a great moment, and you've given us a new way to look at it now. Bravo!
So much had changed due to Marty's interference in 1955, that 1955 Doc would have realised that, although the photo showed Dave, Linda and Marty again, the future might turn out in such a way that there was a real danger that he and Marty might never meet for the first time in the early 1980s, creating a universe-destroying paradox. He already knew things were different because Marty told him that his father had never stood up to Biff in his life and yet he had just knocked him out. So Doc felt compelled to make sure that as much as possible between November 12th, 1955 and October 26th, 1985 happened the same way as it did originally, or as near as possible. So he befriended George and Lorraine at the earliest opportunity and became a friend of the family. That's why, for instance, the McFly family were still living in the same house, even though they were more affluent; Marty had indicated where he lived (was going to live) on Lyon Estates and Doc made sure that when George and Lorraine came to buy a home, they bought the right house. Doc also picked up on George's fascination with science-fiction as George succeeded in getting short stories published in magazines and anthologies. So, gradually, Doc set George up for the big reveal when he told him about his time travel experiments. In this timeline, George already knew that "Calvin Marty Klein" was his own son, but Doc warned him not to tell Marty in advance, in order not to risk Marty not going back.
This is incredibly intriguing, @mikenash7049. We love how your interpretation puts Doc even more in the front seat of Marty's life, which adds another incredibly reasonable explanation for why they are besties. The idea that George is in on it is also very fascinating, and it would have been great to see more nods to that in the film.
Not even that, but if Marty's mom and dad took different life paths as they normally would have, when they had sex and where would have a 100% impact on fertilizing the egg, let alone three - those kids would be completely different people.
Would have also been better if the older brother had been named Calvin instead of Dave.
Yup, 1955 doc has got lots to do till 1985 to make sure Marty B goes back and vanished him..
That is an interesting view
In original timeline, Lorraine’s father hit George with the car.
In the new timeline Marty was the one who got hit by Lorraine’s father car instead of George.
As it’s been 30 years as I doubt they would have recognised, their son was the one who brought them together 30 years ago.
Plus, in original script George had a feeling that. His son Marty could’ve been the same guy they met 3 ago decades ago.
Whether George believed it was Marty or he look like the guy that brought them together.
But it script and was never used.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
We've never heard that about the script before. Interesting.
It's really quite simple. No matter how much you influence someone's actions, if they are successful, they will see it as mostly up to their own efforts. Never expect your advice to be appreciated because people like to take credit for their successes.
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment, @mrtweedy705.
The real answer.
They knew, that’s why the book showed up the day he returned.
That's a great observation, @GuyTheArtist. No one else has pointed that out.
Cool idea, but how would anyone but Doc or Marty know the date he returned?
I'm 40. I cant really remember details of when I was 10.. except the abuse 😢
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Also, time travel is impossible as far as the parents know, so it makes more sense that they wouldn't remark on the coincidence of this kid looking like their kid (and memories change)
Thanks for your comment. We definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
No but George might assume Marty is not his
George decking Biff would've been the talk of the high school for WEEKS. Marty was there for a week. Lorraine, George and Biff see each other every day at school. That's why it would've been more cemented in their memory than Marty. Heck, in that new timeline, Biff was probably their best man.
Thanks for leaving a comment, @IanHollis. You're right about that KO being the talk of the school. George would have been a legend after that.
Not just Biff. He also decked Mark Dixon as well.
well george did say "like i always told you i fyou put your mind to it you can acomplish anythign" which was the line he told george he siad he would never forget. so he is acknowleding it to some level.
btw. not only did they have those interactions but this same guy also invented skate boards and rock n roll
i also thikn george may have known something. why?
in the sence in 1955 the thin bully (not biff) tok lorraine again while marty was playing Earth angel. george saw marty dissappearing and then turned around to kiss lorraine. i think he knew something
Great points! We love the idea that George was in on it!
It seems to me that when they credit Biff for their falling in love, they would remember the strange boy who appeared and pushed George toward Lorraine. In fact, they might remember the guarantee that they'd see him again. As someone once said, "Moms always know."
That's EXACTLY what we thought, @JohnRandomness105. It makes perfect sense that they wouldn't think that 1985 Marty is the same guy, but it always surprises us that they don't remember Marty at all. Thanks so much for taking the time to leave us a comment!
Yeah. I went to my 30 year high school reunion. People I knew from 6th grade all the way through senior year graduation I couldn't recognize. We all had to have name tags with our full names because of the possibility of father time and the changes most likely in a lot of us. These are people I knew 7 years straight during the formative years of my life, some of whom I had profound moments with. Yet couldn't place one of them till they approached me. So chalked it up to changing faces over an ocean of time. Then they did a slide show of them and now and everyone I knew looked pretty much the same. Time just erases over things from years long gone.
George and Laraine McFly knew Marty exactly one week and sometimes for just a couple of minutes per day. Then he disappeared never to be seen again. Memories change, fade and warp. But, one week from thirty years ago that's not on your instant total recall speed dial of the mind is not beyond the realm of possibility. As a matter of fact, it's probably more probable than not. This is heavy.
@@pablosonic892 Exactly! Thank you for summing it up this well. So it would make sense to surmise that they DID remember Marty...but instead, just as some nice, useful, beneficial, yet fleeting, fly-by-night dude that was *helpful,* but not overly significant in their lives. George and Lorraine BOTH have minimalized his importance to them in their lives; George expressly takes credit for the "If you put your mind to it..." quote, and he totally credits *himself* and his own inner courage for putting Biff in his place and having the gall to get his science fiction stories published. The irony, of course, is that Doc Brown is really the ONLY one responsible - for both the initial quote AND the huge overhaul of the entire McFly family (and for eventually having one himself).
But that's the irony of life - people credit themselves for things that aren't really all their own doing (hence the concept of *illusion* of control), and they say that you're "important" and that they'll "never forget you," but they do, and their memories do as well. Interesting, 'cause I think that's also a lesson to be learned here that I hadn't considered before. But I think that the reason for lack of acknowledgement at the end, from a writer's perspective, was more basic than that: it was to cause the viewer NOT to inquire about George and Lorraine's memories of the 1955 Marty (some "dude") vs. the 1985 Marty (their son), so as to avoid any potential confusion that might arise, and to avoid this same very issue that has been raised now. As such, the film flows better thru to the end, since the audience isn't allowed to stop and ponder the relevance of George and Lorraine's recollections and impressions of 1955 Marty to them in 1985. 👍
This is an interesting question, but i think you’re forgetting how long 30 years is and our memories. I know people with terrible memories yet i have a great memory.
I’ll give you an example as my friends and I recently talked about the 25th anniversary when we saw The Phantom Menace in 1999. I remember my one friend walked out and put his head on the wall because he was shocked at how bad it was. My other friend said, “I liked it!” Both of them had no memory of anything from that night as they were shocked I remembered every detail. They remembered seeing the movie and that was it. They forgot my older brother came too.
Marty’s parents could be 2 people with bad memories and they remember Biff more cause they went to High School with him everyday compared to this Marty guy who was there for a week.
You're right, @chrisolivo6591. People totally have bad memories, unless the event made a significant impact on their lives.
As far as The Phantom Menace goes, is it possible that your friends blocked the memory? grace has tried to block Phantom Menace from her mind but has not been successful, so if your friends did block the movie, please give grace some tips.
_"I know people with terrible memories yet i have a great memory."_ Your acquaintances say the same about you.
@@OurOnlyThing Once you are in your late 40's you will understand why the commentor said what he did.
What's this Phantom Menace film?
Never heard of it.
* Nonchalant whistling *
@@nealjroberts4050it is one of the star wars film. Episode 1.
The 4th episode to be released.
The reason they don't remember him is because he had recently returned to 1985 and the Ripple Effect didn't have the time to fully unravel and change their memories. The way I see it, the Ripple Effect only rolls out once the person making changes to the past returns to their time because until the hole in the space-time continuum opens up, the changes stay localized to the time/era they were made in. That rift that you see opening when the Delorean hits 88 mph and is about to leave a certain point in time is what the Ripple Effect travels through. That's why old Biff from 2015 didn't die as soon as he went back to 1955 to give his younger self the sports almanac. It wasn't until he returned the Delorean to his own time (October 2015) that the Ripple Effect started rolling out & affecting him. For some things like the Twin Pines / Lone Pine Mall, the changes roll out faster but it seems with humans it takes longer for them to happen. Technically the Ripple Effect would still roll out had Marty been stuck in 1955 and had to live through those years & age 30 years to see 1985 again but it would happen much more slowly and in real time for him.
Thanks for weighing in, @wtcvidman. The butterfly effect is certainly a viable explanation here.
@@OurOnlyThing The Butterfly Effect is a different thing than the Ripple Effect. He was correct saying Ripple Effect.
I don’t understand how Old Biff could return the time machine to that original 2015. It would have been an alternate one.
@kunserndsittizen2655
It probably did change. Remember Biff was eventually shot by Loraine. The town wouldn't stay the same. Things would begin to normalize. Besides where Marty lived in 2015 it was already a bad neighborhood.
@@onixm6365 it’s a plot hole in 2. Biff couldn’t return the DeLorean to that original time according to their own rules. Plus when Marty and Jennifer leave 1985 to 2015 they’d not have a family and just be missing for 30 years.
He is their kid. He didn’t just “pop” into their lives. He was born looking different then grew into the iconic “Marty McFly” when he was born he probably resembled extremely slightly the “Marty” from High school. Besides when “Marty” was leaving the dance he said to them “when your youngest son sets the carpet on fire take it easy on him.”
The reason “Biff brought them together is because “Marty” was taken away by Biff’s gang before “the plan” could come together. George was going to fight Marty! He fought Biff! Plus even “confident George” couldn’t tell Loraine he set her up with Marty so he could look tough.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
That's a great point about "confident George."
There was a very clever fanfic that I saw, maybe a year ago, where Marty and George are just talking like father and son. At a certain point, George can tell from Marty's tone of voice and body posture, that he is truly uncomfortable. If I'm correct, there comes a moment where George says the name "Calvin Klein", almost like a question...and when Marty whirls around in shock, George knows he's on the right track. Marty ends up telling his father the truth: Doc, the Libyans, all of it. By the end, George tells his son, "Don't say a word of this to your mother. She probably won't take it very well."
That sounds really great, @Moviefan2k4! What a fun way to tie it all together!
For all we know, George and Lorraine DID remember Marty. George was a sci-fi nerd, and probably open to the idea of time travel. Eventually Marty starts hanging around a weird local scientist. It wouldn't be too hard to put the pieces together.
George probably figured out that if he tells Marty too much, then it could mess up the space-time continuum. So he decides to just keep quiet.
We love the idea that George (and perhaps Lorraine) was in on it, and this is totally possible. Thanks for sharing your theory!
The thing everyone forgets is that we know everything Marty did to get his folks together because we're the friggin' omniscient audience. People don't keep in mind that the other characters don't know as much as we know; and the characters who know the most... it's in their individual best interests to try and forget.
The plan was for Marty to be overly forward with Lorraine, so that George could "happen by", and "rescue" her. This plan is actually creepy as hell. We give it a pass because Marty's desperate, looking to survive, and he's our POV character. And then the plan goes awry, because of Biff. And George actually does rescue Lorraine. His pretend heroism suddenly becomes real. And that knockout punch triggered Biff's downfall.
Yes, Marty was hit by his grandfather's car. Yes, he took Lorraine to the dance. And yes, he gave George some good advice.
And Marty conspired with George to trick Lorraine. The trick, as planned, failed. And it's in George's best interest to never mention that plan to anyone, especially Lorraine. That's big part of what Marty did that George will never reminisce on. He'll try to forget. And of course, Lorraine doesn't know.
We don't know what happened to Biff. Sure, eventually we learn about the almanac, and him trying, again, to kill "Calvin", etc. Which all may have contributed to his downfall as well (but again only Biff, Marty, and Doc know these parts.) But we know Biff attempted to murder or maim Marty fairly early on in the first film. And his attempted SA on Lorraine obviously became known. My best guess is that there was someone in town that protected Biff, and that after the attempted assault of Ms. Baines, that protection became too much for the protector. Biff was kept out of jail, but.... that was the end of it. Biff Tannen lost his power.
So, in the grand scheme of things, while Marty's role in events was significant, it was small. Biff, former tormentor to George and Lorraine, had influence over a longer period of time. It's natural to attribute more weight to his contribution. Plus, in that scene, new George and new Lorraine weren't discussing how they fell in love. They were discussing BIFF, and his role in getting them together was only barely mentioned. Odds were everyone knew the story, why repeat it.
It's not that George and Lorraine didn't remember Calvin "Marty" Klein. But after 30 years, that memory is going to be a little fuzzy.
Great points, @KennAKALeo. Thanks for your thorough response!
Every time Marty traveled through time, he switched timelines. He never actually made it to his actual home.
Great theory and more proof at how dangerous time travel is.
@@OurOnlyThing It also explains why some of the actors are different. 😆👍
it takes about one second to realize all time traveling movies and books have a plot hole big enough to drive a dyson sphere through.
True.
Remember in bttf 3, we learned Marty's great great (great) grandfather had a brother named Martin.
Thanks for the comment, @elizabethv_royalsfan.
How would they decide not to name their first born son Marty unless advised to wait for number 3?
Biff crashed George's car when another car appeared.
Parallel to Marty's accident "Down the road"
If Marty parents knew their son was the one, that set them up back 30 years ago. And had a family, would they have name him. Calvin instead of Marty, if they knew he was their kid from the future.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
That is an interesting point about Calvin though.
Why not name their first kid Marty?
@@kunserndsittizen2655 Good point, since they have 2 sons. Plus, George and Lorraine wouldn’t have know to named. Their 3rd child and 2nd son, Marty.
I was in a car accident in 2007 (17 years ago at this point). It messed my back up pretty good. I was on the phone with the insurance company for weeks, and I had to repeat the name of the person who hit me every time I called. Thought I'd never forget her name, but these days I have no clue who it was and couldn't even describe her face to you any more. I remember she existed, sure, but her name? No clue. She profoundly impacted my life. I have chronic pain to this day. But I could not tell you much more about her than I already have (just that she was a teen talking on her cell phone who wasn't paying attention and crashed into me).
Oddly, she happened to hit me right outside my doctor's office, so I walked inside, got checked out by him, and at some point went home, but I have no memory at all of who took me home. My car was wrecked that day; I know it got towed to a repair shop to be repaired. But I have no memory of how I got home that day, just that I did. Someone must have helped me, but I could not tell you who or why it was that person. I've totally forgotten someone who played a big part in my life, and my mental faculties were not impaired by the accident in any way. My head was not injured.
Marty's parents probably forgot his name weeks or months after the event, but years later after the two married, they wanted to talk about how they first met and share that story with their kids. Having forgotten Marty's name, and the dad probably not really wanting to mention him at all because they had planned on tricking the mom into thinking he's super brave, they ended up telling and re-telling a story about George punching Biff and simply not mentioning Marty at all. Over time, that became their truth. It's not unrealistic that they could totally forget a guy who helped them that much. Would it have been nice if the movie had thought to make a reference to him being there? Sure. Is it necessary? No. It's believable someone could forget a person they only knew for 7 days or less, imho.
Fun video to watch! Food for thought, in any event.
Firstly, thanks for sharing your experience with us. We are sorry to hear about your accident and hope that you are doing as well as you can be. This is such an excellent point about how trauma can impact memories, and you're the first person to bring this up.
We totally agree that it's not necessary for Marty's parents to remember that "a Marty" existed, but it totally would have been cool lol.
Thanks again for providing your insight, @xzonia1!
@@OurOnlyThing Happy to help :)
George isn't dumb. If Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan to interfere in his life, he'd put 2 and 2 together and realize Calvin Klein was in on it in some way. So either George thought Marty was an alien or he figured it out and eventually realized Marty was his future son. Whether or not Lorraine ever figured it out or was clued in is another story.
Thanks for leaving a comment, @spacesergeant101. We have not heard this theory before.
That actually makes sense. He doesn't know how it happened he just knows something happened and he decided it was best to not ask questions and then just give Biff credit
If people expect George or Lorraine to realized their son, was the that guy they met 30 years ago. Or at least suppose to look like guy, they met a week in their in 1955.
Then shouldn’t people think that Biff, should have recognise Marty off bat too.
I mean, Biff also interact with Marty/Calvin as well. How come he doesn’t seem to realise it was Marty as well, or at least look like the guy that he met back in 1955.
Why should be just George or Lorraine to realized, it was their son that put them together or look like guy back in 1955.
Biff should also be suspicious about Marty as well not just recognise it was George or Lorraine.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we don't expect George and Lorraine to think that 1955 Marty is actually their son. Her critique was around the fact that they (especially George) don't remember that "a Marty" ever existed.
That's a great point about Biff though. He was probably scarred by the Calvin/Marty guy who ruined his car with all that manure.
I hung out with a guy when I was 14-18 years old. We were best friends. I've seen one or two people that have looked exactly like him just recently, but I know it's not him because they're only young kids. Obviously because it's not my buddy from my childhood, so I'm not going to approach him and strike up a conversation. They obviously remember Marty...they named one of their sons after him...the thing I never understood was why wouldn't they name their FIRST son after him?
I think the biggest plot hole is the fact that there was an aged Marty and Jennifer with two kids of their own in 2015. When Einstein was sent one minute into the future in the first film "he skipped over that minute to instantaneously reappear" one minute later. So when Doc, Marty and Jennifer jumped 30 years into the future wouldn't THEY have "skipped over" those 30 years "to instantaneously reappear" 30 years later? From Doc & Marty's POV in the first BTTF, Einstein ceased to exist for that one minute, therefore from the POV of Biff (who saw the DeLorean vanish) Doc, Marty and Jennifer should have ceased to exist for 30 years.
Their future selves came back around the time their past selves left so they future selves that came back would live out the 30 years their past selves past over. Easy pesy.😏
Thanks for weighing in here, @ChrisReise. As grace mentioned in the video, we don't expect Marty's parents to think that 1955 Marty is their son. We are surprised that they don't remember "a Marty" ever existed.
You do bring up a great point about waiting to name their third kid, Marty. It's totally odd.
Great question about Marty and Jennifer! Time travel is super confusing, and your question proves that.
Well, George was drunk. Lorraine didn’t know what Calvin Klein or biff was plotting. Calvin was a lightweight that bailed.
Interesting points!
As Marty was growing up the parents noticed the similarity and probably talked about it, George must have even gotten blood tests to see if he was the father, lol, they wouldn't be saying how much this Marty looks like that guy everytime they see Marty...
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
@@OurOnlyThing oh, maybe old Biff also traveled to that year again and messed with the timeline
Yeah, just a small callback to marty/calvin would've been greatly appreciated
#JusticeforMartyandCalvin
If Marty and Jennifer leave 1985 for 2015 then they’d just be missing for 30 years.
They probably figured that Marty in 1955, whose real name Lorraine thought was Calvin Klein, went on to launch a highly successful and famous line of underwear.
That's an amazing theory, @YouthFreedomFighters! Even Chris Pratt couldn't top that lol.
There is no Mandela Effect.
The cinematic inversions I've discovered everywhere has formed the most complex web of PsyOp Apples and Oranges our labrat brains could ever imagine
When I was a senior in high school we had a foreign exchange student from Australia for the first semester. I saw him in the hallways every day. He was at all the Foreign Exchange Student Club gatherings and parties. He even came to my house once for one of those parties. But if he walked into a room and said hello to me right now I wouldn't know it was him unless he told me. I literally cannot remember what his face looked like.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
@@OurOnlyThing But in the scene she is referring to where she mentions that Lorraine's dad hit George with car that she should "remember" ditching him to go on a date with Marty. When Lorraine tells the story about her Dad hitting George with the car it is in the timeline where Marty has not been in 1955 yet. She would not have even met Marty in the past at that point.
But also, we never see them "NOT" remembering Marty. Marty is only in the "new" 1985 for the last five minutes of the movie. There is no conversation where they say they don't remember a Marty from the past. Like the line about "accidentally setting the couch on fire" is a reference to something that probably did not happen in the new timeline since Marty actually changed history but had to set it right. So they wouldn't remember being told to go easy on a kid who set fire to the couch, because that no longer happens.
And it is true that if George hadn't knocked out Biff, Lorraine would not have fallen in love with him. So it *WAS* Biff that brought them together. Marty TRIED to bring them together, but failed. George ultimately won Lorraine's heart by knocking Biff out during a traumatic moment for her.
What about the Other Marty? Our Marty - Let’s call him “Marty Prime”, erased the parents he grew-up with. And replaced them with “Better Parents”. ☝🏽But those Better Parents presumably would’ve went to on create a totally different Marty, Other Marty. A Marty we never saw. Who travelled back in time one night &...never came back? 🥺 Replaced by Marty Prime?
I LOVE TALKING ABOUT FICTIONAL TIME TRAVEL ISH
This is such a great point, @jaymz010. Does your head start to spin when you talk about time travel? Our heads do lol. Anyway, @plowe6751 left an awesome explanation here that will probably solve this conundrum. Or maybe it will bring on more questions lol! ;)
I wouldn't say erased. I would say created an alternate universe. Prime Marty left his world and came back in a world where Marty beta grew up in Lone Pine world. And when that beta Marty went back in time, he somehow muck things up and returned to Twin Pine world. So now you got parallel realities that are close but not the same.
@@wolferguy
Wait are you saying you have alternate realities existing CONCURRENTLY? 🤔
In a fun bit of trivia, when Marty goes back to the future 10 minutes early and sees his past self take off in the DeLorean, that specific take of the scene is from when Eric Stoltz was playing Marty. My headcanon is that Stoltz is the "Other Marty" who went back in time and he "became" Marty Prime/MJF during the course of his adventure into the past. It's dumbed down for viewers into always being MJF.
There is no other Marty because in BttF there are no timelines, only 1 universe that changes when changes to the past happen as a result of the Ripple Effect. Those "timelines" are merely different states of a singular universe. Otherwise Marty would never see Jennifer again instead of her just waking up in the same universe in BttF3 because she would be stuck in an alternate timeline. But that didn't happen because there is no other timeline. It was only drawn as such by Doc Brown to illustrate an altered state of the singular universe---a state that Marty & Doc were unfamiliar with where Biff was powerful & corrupted Hill Valley.
Og Lorraine wouldn't " remember " Marty in the 1st timeline bc he didn't go back in time yet.
Thanks for taking the time to leave us a comment, @rickwaters3592.
Technically there are no timelines in BttF, but instead there are different states of the universe since there is only 1 universe that evolves due to the Ripple Effect when changes to the past are made by a time traveler. That's why Jennifer wasn't stuck in the alternate 1985 because that 1985 was just another state/version of the same universe that evolved back into something mostly similar to its former state prior to old Biff stealing the Delorean & giving his younger self the almanac, except the universe post BttF2 had the added history of a 2nd Marty in 1955 trying to get the almanac back & succeeding. Doc merely draws the alternate/bad version of 1985 as a timeline to illustrate his point that somewhere in the past, something happened to change the state of the universe from what they knew to its current corrupt state.
But what you said would make sense if you just remember that "1st timeline" is really just the original state of the BttF universe where Marty had never been to 1955 for them to remember him. For me the answer is simple, that post time travel George & Lorraine didn't exhibit memories of remembering Marty from 1955 because the Ripple Effect hadn't fully given them the chance to remember him because it takes time for it to fully roll out and it doesn't happen until the rift in the space-time continuum opened when the Delorean hits 88 mph and traveled through time for the Ripple Effect to roll out to the future (1985). Until then, it stayed localized and even when it rolled out, Marty had just returned. Think of it as the same reason old Biff didn't die as soon as he gave his younger self the book in BttF2 as we saw him disappear due to Lorraine having killed him in 1996 based on the script (not sure if that's considered canon in the theatrical release but I always assumed all the alcohol he had access to must have caused him to die somewhere along the way and old Biff disappearing was due to that (because he wasn't supposed to be alive until 2015 due to cirrhosis or whatever).
It only seems that way because of third person omniscience. Neither George nor Lorraine know all Marty did to get them together. Not to mention she was almost raped. That trauma could easily fog surrounding events.
This is a really great point, @The22ndDoctor. There are many studies supporting how trauma affects memory. Thanks for commenting!
Here’s my take on this. I could be way off on this, but I don’t think so. So here we go - when Marty returned to 1985, it was NOT HIS 1985. In the NEW 1985, Marty NEVER went back in time. In thus NEW 1985, George fought Biff on his own because he is a different George. - Like I said, I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
The main reason Doc somber after dropping Marty home was he SAW the time circuit display which told him of the 10 min difference and newly formed skewed Reality which Doc could repair with NO ONE ELSE aware of it.
I once paused the scene when Doc first explains the time circuits and turns his wrist as Marty records.
His watch read approximately 2:40 a.m. despite the Hill Valley time being just around 1:30 a.m.
Also...the info 55 Doc received included the functioning Flux Capacitor which was inverted from the sketch Doc drew after the head bump.
As Above...So Below in HILL VALLEY!
🔺🔻
But here's the thing. For Loraine, Marty was just a guy she was infatuated with for about a week. She had no knowledge of George being helped by Marty to get her, or that anything that happened at the dance was meant to be staged. From Loraine's perspective, George stopped Biff from raping her. A situation Marty played no part in to her. There's really no reason for marty to be seared into her memory after such a short period of time. Now George does remember him because of the impact he had. The evidence for that is the guy on his book cover is from what happened in his bedroom when he was a teen. However, remembering someone & what the did for you is very different from remembering thier looks in such detail that after 30 yrs you randomly recognize them in your kid. Now even if George thought Marty played a major role in him getting Loraine, which his book suggests he does, why would he ever contradict Loraine. What would he say? "Well actually I was really there to pretend to knock out Clavin Kline who would've been pretending to try to rape you, not to actually knock out Biff who was actually trying to rape you". Nah, i don't see him doing that.
We agree that Marty didn't have the same kind of impact on Lorraine. As grace also notes in the video, we certainly don't expect either parent to remember what Marty looked like or to think that their child is the same Marty from 1955.
That's an interesting point about George not correcting Lorraine on what really happened with Biff. That makes total sense that he would want to be the hero (which he is).
If their kid looked like that Marty guy from the 50s, George may have become suspicious/questioned if Marty was the father of little Marty (keeping in mind that George was unaware of the time travel aspect of it).
And what about the possibility of Marty eventually telling his parents what actually happened (or at least trying to)?
The element of secrecy about time travel in the 50s revolved around the delicate situation that he must get his parents together.
Once everything worked out, that need for secrecy would be gone. (I'm commenting within the first film's universe, not 2 or 3.)
That's a really great point, @zvoidx, about George. We're guessing that Marty probably just wanted to put the whole thing behind him (or in front of him since he does end up in 2015 lol). We definitely would do that if our moms hit on us in the past.
About George suspecting "Calvin" being Marty's father, the problem with that is that Marty is the youngest son, not the oldest.
@@charlescole645 Calvin could've hooked up with Lorraine in the late 60s to father Marty, with George being the father of the first two.
Edit: I mean, George might suspect an affair regarding their third child that looks like Calvin/Marty.
@zvoidx yeah from George's POV Lorraine could have just bumped into Clavin again maybe he came back to town to visit Uncle Doc and they just hooked up one day before he went away again
Changing your past timeline isn't possible. You can create alternate timelines.
Agree.
No, the Lorraine from the beginning of the movie never met Marty. She is the product of not having gone through the movie., of not having the trouble with Biff.
The only parents who should remember Marty are the ones at the end of the movie ; Marty number two’s parents.
And they might not remember him because they really don’t remember everybody they’ve met . But she liked the name Marty.
Thanks for your comment. We agree that the parents at the end are the ones who should remember that there was a Marty.
I’m around 1985 George mcfly’s age and I don’t remember anyone from high school that I don’t still have as friends. Let alone anyone who was visiting for 1 week.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
I think Back to the Future is a loop, of which you only see one side. There are two Martys. One whom you see, gets around via skateboard, so I will call him Skateboard Marty. Marty goes back in time, changes the future so that his more successful parents raise a Marty who drives a pickup truck. Pickup truck Marty.
Remember when Doc came back from 2015 to tell Marty that Marty and Jennifer have a problem, and Marty asks, “what happens? Do we become a-holes?”.
I think that is what happened to pickup truck Marty. He became a jerk. Doc probably sent pickup truck Marty back to 1955, just to spite him for being a jerk. When Pickup truck Marty goes back in time, he does not save Lorraine from being hit by a car, so George McFly does it. He also never sets up the scheme that leads to Biff trying to rape Lorraine and George defending her. The McFlys grow up as they originally did, and raise Skateboard Marty, to close the loop.
Pickup Truck Marty goes back in time right after Skateboard Marty returns , so Skateboard Marty can take over pickup truck Marty’s life, as if nothing happened.
Very cool theory, @jongilbertson2106!
I've always felt like BTTF 2&3 retconned the way time worked.
Let's say that it altered the past thus making the original '85 from the start of the movie nullified.
Other commenters have shared your same theory, and it makes perfect sense. Thanks for weighing in, @ikagura.
They never took a picture of Marty and human memory is notoriously poor. That's part of why eyewitness testimony in court is so unreliable. They may well remember their 'friend Marty', but after 30 years their memories of his face are probably pretty blurry
Thanks for commenting, @dansdiscourse4957. We certainly don't expect them to recall that 1985 Marty is the same one from 1955. We're just surprised that they (especially George) doesn't remember that "a Marty" existed.
@@OurOnlyThing Well it's true we don't hear them mention 1955 Marty, but then again we only see one scene in the new timeline. That's not much of a sample size. It's not much evidence either way for if they remember 1955 Marty or not
New George knows well enough not to mention his wife's ex-crush.
Now that makes a ton of sense lol! Nice one!
In his parents’ timeline Marty would have looked like Marty well before he returned from the 50s and therefore they may have acknowledged the similarity before Marty’s return.
Thanks for comment, @mza5817. We certainly don't expect them to recall that 1985 Marty is the same one from 1955. We're just surprised that they (especially George) doesn't remember that "a Marty" existed.
Doc manipulated everything in the opening which explains Marty having the unreliable digital watch that leads him to visit Docs are when he SHOULD have been at school!!
Doc called KNOWING Marty was there after blowing the Amp.
Again...knowing Marty was asleep at night Doc called to request the garage/camera detour.
He also cried the libyans to the Mall lot .
In Family Guy Marty's dad does remember him and he does not go easy on him!!
We've never seen that episode, but we're adding it to our watchlists! By the way, grace loves your handle. When she saw it, she immediately started singing, "Feel my heat."
@@OurOnlyThing lol, that's awesome!!! Thanks for replying back.
IF either of Marthy’s parents realized Marty was from their past to couple them, they dug it. All the family thrived.
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment, @nintendolunchbox.
He could have had one hell of an impact, but his face can get lost in the sauce. They obviously remembered Marty, but the specifics even down to the Calvin Klein, may have just got lost in the many memories.
Thanks for weighing in, @kudjoeadkins-battle2502.
Everything 1955 Doc needed to know was prepped and provided for him by 1985 Doc without Marty knowing it.
How so?? Mm the case containing cotton underwear placed in the FRONT compartment intentionally since 55 Doc would check under the hood for STARTER repairs while Marty had his Day One in school.
That is why Doc was watching the camera when Marty returned from his skateboard adventure in the square.
I’m curious why people think his parents don’t recognise him when he is growing up? Also they already name their child Marty, it wasn’t because of the time travel this happened. Before the time travel Marty was called Marty. Am I missing something?
As grace mentioned in the video, we certainly don't expect Marty's parents to think that 1955 Marty is their son. Her critique was around the fact that they (especially George) forgot that "a Marty" ever existed.
There are a lot of great comments from other viewers here who can help answer your question about the time travel.
The parents had gotten used to the face of Marty from infant to adolescent. At what point do they make the connection?
Thanks for your comment. As grace said in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
So does Marty remember the new timeline since everything had changed? Wouldn’t he have all new memories
Great question, @JayGee76-76. We never get confirmation either way. A lot of people assume that Doc filled him in.
Sorry, they know everything just as Doc from early version of 85 did.
It's common sense.
That is why he received the Black 4×4 after the clock tower lady witnessed his drooling before giving the flyer per Docs instructions.
I'll throw you for a loop. Marty doesn't look like either of his siblings. He looks exactly like the guy Marty they knew in high school... so what's going through George's mind when he thinks back and compares the two? He would suspect his wife hooked up with the old college flame Marty and got PREGNANT! In this timeline the thought eats at him and they eventually break up! Marty ends up destroying his family!!!
You certainly threw us for a loop! We love hearing unique theories.
Marty definitely had influence and set up the interaction in the car, but George punching Biff was done all on his own. George had no idea it was going to be Biff in the car with Lorraine.
Thanks for your comment, @kmizo27. This is a great point.
Nah they wouldn't have remembered him let alone think it's their youngest child from the future
Thanks for your comment, @ZeusAmun-pt9dc. We agree that they wouldn't think 1955 Marty was 1985 Marty (grace mentions this in the video).
Why would they wait to name their third kid Marty if they liked it so much?
Great point!
My Mandella effect is that I remember Harrison Ford starring in "Falling Down" and the cop near retirement, Officer Pendergrast, was played by a black man. Somebody has messed with the time-line.
This is why we think DeLoreans are dangerous. 😉 Though it would have been interesting to see Harrison Ford in that role.
I wonder if you are confusing that with the fugitive.
Falling down and the fugitive were released around the same time.
@@Lord_Skeptic I'm pretty sure I never saw "The Fugitive" film. That's one worth looking up.
The moment when George decks Biff could have been called the Biff incident and was shorten to ‘Biff’ between the two. I know in movie that Marty sets up the situation for George to deck him, but Biff intervenes. And Marty’s Mom’s point of view she just saw Biff run off Calvin and George came to save the day.
That's a great point, @Kara_Kay_Eschel. Thanks for commenting.
I can barely remember the faces of friends from childhood that I spent days weeks months and years with. A friend of 1 week I would not remember. Also, Marty's parents did copious amounts of acid in the 60s. The 50s is a foggy memory. George likely overtime faded the memory of the encounters with Marty out to make him the main character in his story. Lorraine likely suppressed feelings for other boys out of respect for George became her number 1 guy and no other boys mattered after that punch.
Thanks for your comment.
The other weird plot twist is that Doc knows Marty before he is even born which then Doc need to figure out when he needs to befriend Marty.
Which I have to point something out. At the garage where Marty blew up a giant speaker, Doc said his experiment worked and all his clocks where 25 mins slow.
I would believe Doc already time travelled before that night. Doc time travelled 25 mins by setting all his clocks 25 mins slow. Which bring me to believe that Doc probably saw his future and everybody's else.
This is a really cool theory, @thebandit7623. It would also explain why Doc has a clock with a man hanging off of it (we see it in the opening of the movie, which grace noted in our breakdown video). He probably placed that clock there after one of his time travels.
Marti was in 1955 for about a week. People in their 40s don't remember a face of someone they've seen for 1 week 20+ years previous. Even if they do remember Marti they won't remember his face.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
I’m 46, so I sadly have memories that are 30 years old. I remember random thoughts I had at 16, let alone someone I kissed. And Lorraine and George seem to get together at this point so they’re not out with multiple people. When I talk to people my age we tend to remember every crush, kiss and dumb thing we did. The details may be off slightly, they may remember the wrong dance or the wrong car type, but the emotion of what you felt remains and you remember who gave you that feeling. Especially for an event like Biff trying to assault her and getting decked. Also, George remembered enough about Marty to make it the basis of his book.
We are also around your age, so we can relate. grace has always had a really strong memory and is confident that she would remember "a Marty." We love what you said about how "the emotion helps your remember WHO gave you that feeling," because that is the entire point that grace was trying to make. Marty was so important to George that he did base his book upon one of the experiences they had (even though he didn't realize Vader was actually Marty lol).
I think people take the ending of this movie a little too literally, it’s the message that the filmmakers want you to focus on. Everybody views this scene from Marty’s perspective and already knowing his journey, but I do believe that they do remember him, it’s just that from his parents perspective, in the new timeline they raised Marty since he was a toddler and Im sure that as he grew up, for them he resembled Marty from 1955 not truly knowing that he was the same person.
Thanks for your comment, @dukefritter6536.
This diskussion is as old as the movie and its superfun when every 10 years or so the question is asled by a new generation. The answer may shock you:
Its a movie and just the only thing thats really badly solvedin a script that is considered one of the best scripts ever written. Just deal with it,
A little tip: Whenever such theorems keep you awake at night in the future, and this includes the question of whether we live in the Matrix or how particularly striking Mandela effects can be explained (my favorite example is Brittney Spears' missing microphone in "Oops I did it again" which she still reaches for in the music video), ask yourself the following 3 questions; Would the answer help me?
1. To prepare my tax return
2. To become a better person for my fellow human beings
3. To get laid properly again (these tips were originally written for men)
If you don't get at least one YES, stop worrying about it. You can't change it and it has no meaning for your life. Except that you become weird over time ;-)
They waited to name their second son Marty.
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I find it hard to believe that Doc would ever build te time machine after dealing with implications of time travel in 1955. And if were to sone reason still aspire to achieve time trave, he would've done it many years earlier. He already had a working time machine in is possession for a brief time in 1955.
Thanks for your comment. We agree that Doc's adventures should have prevented him from further toying with time travel, but if he hadn't of built it, he probably would have disrupted the ultimate timeline even further.
If the timeline changed, it changed retroactively so it would have been at some point, years before Marty first seeing the new timeline that his parents might have noticed a similarity between their son and the Marty from the 50s and as their son would gradually turn into that “Marty” they may not have consciously noticed it at all. Likely, their Marty largely and gradually overwrote the memory of the guy from way back who they named him for. It is not like when he came out of his bedroom it was the first time they had seen him since the 50s as it was for him.
Thanks for weighing in on this, @RowRideRun. We certainly don't expect Lorraine and George to remember Marty (their actual son) from the past, but we are surprised that they (especially George) don't remember a Marty at all. Your idea of Marty overwriting that memory is totally possible.
If you asked me to describe someone I saw for a short period 30 years ago, I wouldn't be able to tell you a single thing about what they looked like.
Thanks for your comment, @frankd5119. As grace mentioned in the video, we didn't expect them to remember what he looked like. It was more about remembering "a Marty" existed in 1955.
Oh...can you locate the clues in the three Future films linking them to YOUNG GUNS??
all missing George the 4x4 the day after the ball !!
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It's not a plot hole... they would have grown up with the kid and he just would have looked as he looked... they have no pictures of him and he was in their lives for like a week an a half. They would have forgot what he looked like and here is the most important part....
The Marty they remember wasn't the same Marty that came back.
Marty couldn't come back to the same exact timeline... he had to come to a time line where his DNA, his molecules would have existed... that means the two of them conceived Marty at the same exact genetic moment despite all that changed. (the third son)
This means they needed a timeline where all the genetic material in their bodies had to line up perfectly for a egg and sperm with the right DNA to line up and produce him...
I don't have time to write this out properly... but basically the Marty from the timeline that at the beginning of the movie wasn't the the exact timeline created by his actions. As such the time line he ended up back in was one where a different Marty that looked maybe like Eric Stoltz went back in time and didn't interfere resulting in no changes... So the Marty they remember was a little taller and looked very different...
The other thing is the Jennifer changes... which means the marty at the end of the first movie is not the same marty at the beginning of the second movie...
Thanks for weighing in here, @Kaziklu. We haven't heard this exact explanation yet, and it sounds totally plausible. Thanks for taking the time to share it.
@@OurOnlyThing sorry as I have time to give it a bit more.
So if you have a three marty problem
Marty 1a goes back in time. He is well off... he does nothing to impact is parents but he hangs out and interacts a little bit but really not much... But his parents lives are different enough he isn't born and they are now poor.
Marty 2a is born after Marty 1a does his thing... he mucks around nearly prevents his parents getting together and has to fix things and ends up making his parents well off but changes enough he isn't born.
Marty 3a is born wealthy... goes back in time doesn't interfere much with his parents but interacts enough he isn't born and they end up poor.. instead Marty 1b is born... who is genetically the same as Marty 1a but poor.
So now you have 3 Genetic Marty's 1 going back wealth coming back poor and one going back poor and coming back wealthy.
Each Marty comes back to a time line where there was a genetic duplicate Marty that had the life they created from playing around with the time line.
Basically you have an infinity odd set of Marty's with an infinite pair of outcomes. This is why Doc realize there is no danger if you mess things up a little.
It is a variation of the many worlds interruption.
Because of this if our Marty is Marty 1B they actually remember Calvin Klein as looking more like Marty 3a (say Eric Stolz not Michael J Fox).
Actually you can go further than that... as it's been in my head now...
As it can get really dark.
Marky 1a that is who our Marty going back in time has lived a good life... Doc has him prep everything... he sees Doc put on the bullet proof vest... and so to him doc is fine and never says anything.... His parents have told the story how George a big nerd in school and he was in a tree peeping on a his mom... but they never mention that Calvin Klein pushed him out of the way and Loraine was a big creepier. So Marty doesn't interfere.
Marty hangs out with Doc for a couple of days they work together to set up the car to get him home... they have lots of time to fix the wire when the tree branch falls... and Marty has time to tune the car a little so it doesn't crash and starts properly. Given that he isn't playing match maker. He sets the time machine to arrive at the same time as he isn't trying to save doc.
Marty comes back to 1985... but he comes to Marty 1b (our Marty's time line) Doc is laying dead for at least 10 minutes... police are on their way... Marty arrives in time to be taken into custody as a possible accessory to the plutonium theft, at the very least as a witness. The Time Machine is taken into Custody. He finds out his truck is gone, his parents aren't well off, his dad is the same dweeb from High School, his Mom is really off, his brother and sister are slackers and the weaselly car detailer Biff is his Dad's boss.
It will be a nightmare for him that he likely can't fix.
Weird this is the second video I've seen talking about this and it baffles me. I mean it was thirty years ago for them. They only saw Marty for like what a week? You can remember a name, but to think they'd have a photographic memory of him and even if they did think he looked similar they'd just brush it off as coincidence
Thanks for your comment, @jvanek8512. As grace noted in the video, our critique isn't around them recognizing 1985 Marty as the same Marty from 1955. We are surprised that they (primarily George) don't remember that "a Marty" existed.
also just a thought of what could have happened, if Lorraine said she really liked the name "Marty" and decided to name her son it, they could have named their first son Marty and Marty is now named Dave?
Another interesting point!
Maybe they named their firstborn son after a parent or grandparent.
There are two delorians present in 3... One without gas and one with a full tank.
Great catch.
the one with the “full tank” had its fuel tank drained for long term storage in that mine shaft. it has to be left undisturbed (ie can’t be pilfered for ICs etc to repair) so that Marty can use it in 1955 as the “second” Delorean to travel back to 1885 and to intervene and prevent Doc’s early death “over a matter of $80” 😉
My explanation is simply that the absence of Marty in the story of how they got together was purely for the benefit of Marty's siblings. Who doesn't know about time travel. So to protect them and present day Marty, the story was redacted slightly. I a theory that said Geosrge knew by the end that Marty was his future sin. They state that due to George's love of science fiction, he had an open mind when it came to the unexplained. So George and Lorraine know the truth, but they don't talk about it in front of their other children.
This is a great theory. Thanks for sharing!
@@OurOnlyThing thank you. My apologies for he many errors 😆
It'd mainly be memory. I barely remember anyone's faces from 30ya let alone someone I met for a week.
Bear in mind too that George hitting Biff would be more significant than a brief date who didn't help her.
And that doesn't even take in the possibility of Doc befriending George and slowly letting him in on the secret that his youngest son would time travel and be pivotal to their lives.
Good points, @nealjroberts4050. We certainly don't expect them to remember Marty's face (which grace mentions in the video).
Not a thing. They raised a baby, toddler, child, then adolescent who eventually looked like someone from 30 years in the past. They have no pictures of 1955 Calvin Klein or likenesses to work from. His impact was huge, but ideas last much longer than perfect recall of the genesis of those ideas. They're more likely to have deja vu and move on with their own problems. Very close to the principle of "Everyone's too busy thinking of themselves to think about you." George and Lorraine didn't fixate on Calvin, so his details disappeared.
Thanks for your comment, @PatrickBoberg. As grace mentioned in the video, we didn't expect them to remember what he looked like. It was more about remembering "a Marty" existed in 1955.
George knew Marty was his son from the future - if you pay attention to the film and the performance by Glover you can clearly see he has figured it out by the Enchantment Under The Sea Dance
We love the idea that George was in on it. It does add another layer to an already incredible film.
Why would they live in the same house in the end?
This has always perplexed grace too.
Too many channels are discussing PLOT HOLES while NONE of you seems to know the TRUTH about all Hollywood films.
Michael JF was set to play McFly years earlier.
As shown during Fast Times at Ridgemont High which also links to Teen Wolf, the Abstract Inversion of Back to the Future released the same month.
Not sure how long you been experiencing the M.E. but my first major timeline jump was the 16th June 2016, next morning my anatomy very different, traffic lights upside down, movie lines different plus hundreds more impossible changes. Some ppl see a change in the delorean. I'd love to talk you about the M.E. to compare if we from the same or similar timelines 😎
Another channel raised an interesting point that might be helpful here. There is a possibility that due to his predisposition for SciFy and Marty's poor handling of the past and constantly calling him Dad, that George put together the truth that CALVIN was a time traveler and infact his son when he saw his hand disappearing on stage. He already had a believable encounter with Death Vader that week so it isn't a stretch. He may have consciously let the story change for Larains benefit over the years so that she would downplay the memories of that random guy she briefly liked in Highschool.
This is a really great theory, @bafumat. Thanks so much for sharing it. It does seem plausible that George figured things out and may have led Lorraine down the path of forgetting since she would not be as open as he was to accepting the reality that 1955 Marty was her son. George's love for sci-fi certainly supports that theory just like you said. Fascinating!
At the end of two, the deliriant wasn't going 88 mph when it was struck by lightning. The premise about speed was completely ignored.
Another great catch!
Wasn’t this covered in the dialogue between Doc and Marty in 1885 Hill Valley once Doc releases him from the noose with his sniper rifle? something about the lightning bolt overloading the Delorean’s time circuits (since they were already activated to return to 1985 from 1955) 🤔
@@bruce_just_ I'm not satisfied with that explanation... Because here to for... 88... 88... 88... And even after... 88... 88... Why have a rule of you are just going to break it when convenient.
@@jdramirez77 it’s flying at that moment? it’s mentioned in the dialog…
what am i - google?
@@bruce_just_ the lightning bolt caused the Delorean to spin at 88 MPH. That is why there are backwards 9s.
First, how much do you remember a friend you hung out with for one week decades ago? Second, they watched Marty grow from a child he didn’t just show up one day looking like Calvin.
Thanks for your comment, @mikewritz. Both of your questions are addressed in the full video.
@@OurOnlyThing Right…Nobody waits until they’ve watched the full video to comment. Gotta do it while it’s fresh on the mind.
Well in my personal experience memories can be flawed. I've met people and then see them again after many years and my recollection of what they looked like is similar but different and people age. The new 1985 versions of George and Lorraine only had a few minutes of screen time they might've extensively talked about Marty. Also from Lorraine's point of view Biff would be credited with getting them together it was all part of Marty's plan but George probably would not have told Lorraine about Marty setting up for George to come in as the hero.
Thanks for leaving a comment, @SyphusBatterus. That's a great point about the limited screen time. It makes us wonder what also might have been cut from the film.
I am 53 now. surely can remember the important friends...but their faces 30 years later im comparision with my son? I guess the brain will work around this, cause, FACT: there is a mechanism that protects us for going mad!! It WILL find a logical answer and block this out.
Thanks for your comment. As grace mentioned in the video, we definitely don't expect them to remember what Marty looked like or to think that 1955 Marty was their son. grace's critique was around the fact that they don't remember "a Marty" even existing.
I got time today
Thanks for your comment, @themondoshow.
How do you only have 22 subs
We just started, so we're very much in the building stage. Thanks so much for taking the time to leave us a comment, @AidanLovesMinecraft. You made our night!
“The Manure -
…..I *remember* that…!!”
Well, up until about a day
and a half ago (DeLorean Mean Time),
That had never even happened to him, before - Yet, still, OldBill (from The-Future) has been able to remember the stink (and the •taste• of that manure all of him, his boys, his bodywork, his leather upholstered interior -
…..it’s a sensory modality thing; visual memories are the least durable, reliable and not to be trusted over time; faces are the first to go, as any child of a parent with Alzheimer’s quickly discovers; But more generally, I, myself, can recall *SEEING* certain particular things in the “live” network TV broadcast feeds on The Day of 9/11 that I *know* for certain as a matter of absolute, empirical FACT, I *did* not, nor *COULD* not have seen on the TV that day, because I know for a fact that that those thing *DIDN’T* happen - The Jumpers, specifically.
And yet I still remember SEEING them that day, although now only very vaguely. (The memory had become confused with the 1Year Anniversary Broadcast on 9/11/02, Hosted by Robert DeNiro - Yes, I know : “Robert DeNiro..?! The ACTOR..?!?”
Yes, THAT Robert De Niro.
Thanks for such a well thought-out comment, @spikeep6141. Whoa on Robert De Niro! We totally agree with you on sensory modality, and let's face it. That much manure is unforgettable unfortunately. However, grace mentioned in the video that we don't expect Marty's parents to recognize him as the same Marty from 1955. Her critique was more around the fact that they (especially George) forgot that "a Marty" ever existed.
Here’s my take on this. I could be way off on this, but I don’t think so. So here we go - when Marty returned to 1985, it was NOT HIS 1985. In the NEW 1985, Marty NEVER went back in time. In thus NEW 1985, George fought Biff on his own because he is a different George. - Like I said, I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
We like this idea a lot. We certainly aren't time travel experts, but this sounds feasible.