Rich Eisen: Why Can’t Top NFL RBs Get Paid Like Dolphins WR Jaylen Waddle??? | The Rich Eisen Show
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- Rich Eisen reacts to Jaylen Waddle’s massive new Miami Dolphins contract and what it means for the growing disparity between running backs’ and wide receivers’ salaries in the NFL.
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A billion factors really. Teams no longer have a bell-cow back. There are at any time maybe 3-5 guys worth REALLY paying at RB and you'd still be better off paying WRs instead.
QBs are more athletic and take away touches from top end backs. Designed runs, QBs running for the 1st on 3rd and long, more early down pass attempts, etc.
RBs rely more on the scheme and guys around them than a top end WR does. The difference between the 4th best and 18th best RB is really not significant enough to justify paying a top 5 RB unless you have a very affordable QB(see: SF).
Tight ends and pass catching backs seem to be much more of a focus nowadays than 10-15 years ago as well.
Plus the injury-rate for RBs is through the roof, although I'd suspect that it's not a whole lot different for WRs with the constant soft tissue injuries.
Agree, rich is delusional when it comes to running back. The RB market is set and never will be 20-25 mill a year. Maybe 5-10 million.
What about the bellcow backs? The guy who touches the ball 20+ times a game.
Two words Rich…Isiah Pacheco.
Also, Brockman needs to relax and stop hating on the Dolphins. I’ll take Waddle over any current WR on the Patriots roster at the moment. Here we are talking about real life football and this joker talking about fantasy. lol
I'm guessing he brings up fantasy cuz it's the best marker to show actual production
RBs are the easiest to replace by Rookies that's why. Supply and demand. And secondly they are accepting the lower pay rates.
Get a young stud run him into the ground and pay them very little.
So true. Rich loves to ignore the fact that running backs don’t win u Super Bowls. Cmc is great but so is Kyle shanahan system
Waddle is easily in the top 10 and the dolphins are the top three best team in the AFC now that buffalo traded away their super star wr
Top ten???
Jefferson, Chase, Hill, Kupp, Lamb, Adams, St. Brown, Brown, DJ Moore, Wilson, Flowers, Olave. There’s a lot of good wrs that are pretty comfortably ahead of Waddle imo.
Moore, Wilson, Flowers, and Olave?!?! You’re high. Waddle is better than all of them he just plays opposite Reek.
if you roll in the 2 rookie contract years with the 3 year extension Waddle is averaging like 20 mil per year til 2028, and also def. a top 12 reciever in the league
Waddle's contract extension is for 2026-2029. He is currently still on his rookie contract. WRs will be signing for even more money in 2026.
That part, it's an extension not a new deal he still has a 4th and 5th year to play on, tyreek leaves and then waddle contract hits under 30 When the rest are making close to 40
I think Jefferson might hit 40 million per year by the end of this year, and the best rb will be lucky to get close 20 million.
Why people forget about todd gurley,zeke and leveon contracts messed it up for the Rbs
Freeman and Murray too.
Bad takes from Rich here.
RB is the most injured sucks but high risk low reward
Every offseason Rich just can’t wrap his head around the fact that WRs are more valuable than runningbacks even though it’s 2024
Three obvious reasons why they don't get paid like WRs. Over supply, shorter shelf life and RBs aren't as pivotal to modern NFL offenses.
As others have commented, there's a supply/demand + value on the field. In the current era of NFL offenses, a WR who can get open, blow by the defense, catch a ball on top of defenders, and score a TD is more valuable. The days of RBs getting the bulk of the workload, or breaking long runs every game, are over. There are only a handful that still do that and even then some teams will look at the WRs on that play who were blocking down the field and think that was more important for that play to succeed.
The real question is what happens when the supply increases because we're seeing more and more WRs coming straight out of college and putting up big numbers. It looks like the college WR factory line is great (unlike the QB factory line, that creates a product that doesn't always fit). If it gets easier for teams to draft a WR who could be that superstar in a year, the value of the position will have to go down (maybe contract will stay around the same but as percentage of cap, would be lower).
Just think about how many great WRs are coming out every year and how many are doing well in the NFL. Not that many busts. Eventually it will be like RBs, easy to replace most of them, a handful of special ones that are worth top dollar.
The last team to win a super bowl that I can recall that had a true number 1 rb was the Seahawks with Lynch. Chiefs,Eagles,Bucs,Patriots,Rams,Broncos with Manning, and even those Giants teams that won 2 super bowls won them right after Tiki retired.
Miami has a 3 geaded monster at RB while last season, Waddle and Hill combined for 275 targets while the next 13 other players combined only had 267. Down the stretch Mostert and Achane were taking turns not being available with injuries. The risk vs. Reward at the respective positions is probably the why, along with the individual gap in production when they miss time. Losing Hill or Waddle has way more impact than losing Mostert or Achane which suggests they are more valuable.
I get Rich's point, and not to be pedantic, but the Dolphins do run lot pony personnel (two RBs on the field) so there's that I guess.
The RB position leans heavy on the quality of the offensive line, the WR leans heavy on the QB. You should already be paying the QB and to maximize the QB you need to maximize the WR. It doesn't make too much sense to pay the QB to hand the ball off. After the line, QB and then the pass catchers, there's just not much left for the RB position.
I can’t see a team in this day and age being a Super Bowl calibre team on the basis of a dominant RB AND the rest of the offense being doodoo
Because it would take those circumstances for the RB to get paid
Not saying that they are unvaluable but in pass happy league with HOF talent QBs, I just don’t see it
Because you don't notice when they are gone. When Henry was hurt, the Titans offense didn't change with Donte Foreman in the position (but all but collapsed when they traded Brown), when Taylor was hurt Zach Moss was indistinguishable from him, when Nick CHubb went down Pierre and Ford were basically the same player
Rich is delusional as ever when it comes to running backs. Your not paying a Running Back what a WR1 gets. Absolutely ridiculous take.
With the new hip drop tackle rule you would think a big running backs will be making a come back
2-3 WRs on the field every play and all of which are typically playing very important roles in passing or run plays. Whereas there will typically be 1 RB on the field every (sometimes 2 but also sometimes 0), thereby creating more jobs for WRs in the NFL than RBs which then creates a larger skill gap between the bad, good, great, and a elite WRs compared to the same for RBs. There is just a bigger supply of good RBs in free agency then WRs because team's don't hold as many RBs because they don't need to.
In fantasy, wide receivers are cheap outside of the top 3-5 players.
RB is the hardest position to replace outside of maybe TE
A RB is not going to catch a 25 yard pass in the last two minutes.
No but they will catch a 7 yard pass and turn it into 70
Basic economics
Does this question really need to be asked?
Brockman may not put it the prettiest but he's right. Ain't nobody is thinking Miami is even close to winning a Super Bowl
No chance lol, Brockman dead on.
Why can't I get paid like major company executives?
LMAO
This is a weird time for running backs
If you transplanted the triplets of the Cowboys, everybody knew that Emmit was the most important but in this present NFL, he would get paid the least out of the triplets
Aikman would get 50, Playmaker around 35, and Emmit about 20-25
I’m open to disagreements
Rbs are easily replaced. Rbs are routinely hurt. Rbs are spending far more time taking up the blocks the TEs used to have before they became so important in the passing game thus leading to less plays they can actively participate in as a playmaker. It all adds up
Waddle won't be a top-3 paid WR for long, once the other WR's up for deals get their money.
Justin Jefferson
CeeDee Lamb
Ja’Marr Chase
Brandon Aiyuk
Tee Higgins
Brockman is such a stooge
why, cause he speaks facts about Miami lol?
he's a dolphins fan who is salty
He’s right though.
Young megs are better than old legs. Who was the last savvy running back you heard of
Maybe look at the extension and when the contract goes into effect. And Chris........even with Tyreek getting over 1700 yards, Waddle still went over the 1K yard mark for his 3rd season in a row. I mean, Cheetah is WR1, but I have no idea why you are screamin his isnt even top 15. Maybe concern yourself with winning more than 6 games this season in NE.
Yeah, Chris just is a joke for saying Waddle's not a top 15 WR. He should worry about if the Patriots even have a top 30 WR 😂
Waddle IS that good he just has Reek on the other side. Just like Higgins and Chase.
It’s market economics. Supply & demand. It’s not that hard. Classes, TH-cam, lots of resources
As a die-hard dolphins fan, i think we are paying too much for wide receivers. Now we are going to overpay for Tua...
Resisting basic supply & demand is getting old. It’s like arguing against gravity. Or a round earth.
I can’t tell if Rich just wants to advocate for RBs or if he literally doesn’t understand how markets work.
15-16 better wr then waddle?!? Last year was a down year for him from injuries but he’s
Had 1000 yards every year and that’s with 2 years only having 75 receptions or lower
They get hurt more than
Love me some Claire 🤩🥰♥️
Brock man is right about the dolphins not winning a Super Bowl. I love Tua and Waddle I’m a bama fan. Tua holds a very special place in my football heart for what he did as a freshman in the Natty. I literally cried after he threw the TD to Devontae, but they aren’t winning a Super Bowl
Really bro. You work for Nfl network right..not that hard to figure out pal
"Waddle's not even a top 15 WR?" Uncle fester (Brockman) needs to ease up on the bald head polish. That noggin didn't think that through before saying it. Everyone on the set didn't believe that crap.
The reason they don't get paid anymore is because what happened to Ezekiel Elliott leveon bell and david johnson after they got paid seems running backs can lose it quickly
Cause it's what the market dictates. Just like how Rich said when Daniel Jones or Kyler Murray got paid.
Kyler has shown more than Jones coming off an ACL injury. I dunno why he gets bashed so bad.. AZ got beat bad a few games but that team wasn't slouching for what they had to work with
@@scotte2177 I was reffering more to Rich using that logic when discussing Murray getting paid, I think that was the first time I saw him dig in on that stance. Not my intention to compare them as players lol
You know who is not winning the superbowl? The NE patriots. Waddle is better than any WR on that entire roster
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Because their prime years align exactly with their rookie contracts and the position is extremely replaceable. It's really not that hard dude don't you work for the NFL?
The patriots, certainly not winning the super bowl.
How do the Dolphins have a snowballs chance to n hell to win the superbowl? Their offense is ran by a dude that’s flimsy and has a below average arm. The defense was okay last season but you lost Vick running the defense and lost some key players as well. It just doesn’t seem probable.
Dolphins aren't winning the super bowl? I mean I'm not betting on it, but there's at least twenty other teams I'd say have a far worse shot at it.
Why pay waddle? He’s only the 12th best WR in the league! You could be like the patriots and pay no WR and have the worst team in the league! Sucks not to have the goat right?
Running backs don't get paid like other positions because after Le'Veon Bell's holdout, GMs decided to stymie the market with the franchise tag. The tag demands a team pay a free agent the average value of the top 5 players at his position or 120% of his prior deal. After Bell dared to turn down the franchise tag from the Steelers, GMs were willing to use it more frequently. Since the top of the market was relatively low, they only needed to offer them something near the tag to sign them for affordable deals. And since nobody was willing to blow up the market for a position that they believed was easily replaced, nobody has been able to reset the market.
Consider: The tag is roughly $12 million in 2024. Even if a team paid someone $15 million, the average of the top 5 players would hardly move that amount higher. With every other position, the horse has left the barn and it can't be reined back in. The tag for receivers is nearly $30 million, so tagging a good WR is cost prohibitive. GMs have constrained the RB market and nobody's going to push it up thanks to the tag. Personally, I'd bet that there's a case for collusion, but it would be hard to prove.