Sidney Dekker | The Rebranding Safety Show Live from the EHS Congress 2024

We're so excited to publish this conversation between James and Sidney Dekker - professor, author, film maker, founder of the Safety Science Innovation Lab amongst many other accolades, Sidney gives his insights into the gap between 'safety as done' and 'safety as imagined', the 'tribalism' surrounding different safety approaches, and James somehow shoe-horns in a conversation about Star Wars with no intended end point!
Thank you to Sidney and to the organisers at the EHS Congress in Berlin for helping us to set up this conversation - definitely a career highlight. Enjoy.....

[@Paulo_Gomes_]

I love Dekker’s work and am thankful for all he’s done to move our industry forward. While he didn’t do it alone, he took on battles that no one else had the guts to face. It’s funny how the people who criticise him usually haven’t read his work and don’t really know what they’re talking about.
Thanks a lot Prof. Sidney Dekker🤩

[@RebrandingSafety]

For sure he and his work is amazing

[@tonyclarke]

Awesome interview! The genuineness was refreshing. And getting Dekker to talk Star Wars...It made my day. Thanks

[@RebrandingSafety]

Thanks for the feedback, really appreciate it. Any chance to talk about Star Wars, don't quite know where I was going with it thought haha!

[@tonyclarke]

@@RebrandingSafety I think that some people genuinely don't believe that there are lessons to be learnt from fables or fiction or even history for that matter. When I have facilitated training on investigations, I use Space event (Apollo1, Challenger, the Columbia disasters along with Apollo 13 along with the Kobioshi Maru). And I did it because of a personal passion and I saw those were more about the people and situations then the scope or location. At first when I started talking about this with a group of miners I was looked at as some weird Sci- Fi Nerd, and I was generally worried about receiving a wedgie. But, as time goes on it was those scenarios that started to help me build some trust with folks and forced them (at least I hope) to think more along the lines that Dekker talks about in towards a Just Safety Culture. One where we don't always blame the dead guy, we learn from the past and work towards a well earned bigger bonus. Anyways, keep up the good work I am quite enjoying your channel.