I think it's important to remember that the Runabout isn't really a fighter or even a bomber. It's a way for DS9 to project itself. They function as a sort of mobile base for Starfleet teams. A Runabout even has 2 decks, if I recall. Their internal shots make them look extremely roomy. When you see a runabout, you should probably feel as if you just saw a Patrol Boat or Cutter show up. Where as if a Raptor or Starfury shows up, you should feel like an attack helicopter just showed up. Completely different mission profiles.
Scale kinda makes sense if you put an overhead of a uh6 Blackhawk and a fighter like an f18 next to each other. The transport is all fuselage and the fighter is all flight control surfaces, engines, fuel and ammunition storage, and weapon hardpoints
My thoughts; - On forward sensor mount with the three cables, seems to suggest this can be swapped out for different sensor packages quickly. - I feel like the three holes on the leading edge of each wing are internal cannon ports. With heavier caliber cannon being able to be fitted externally like on the assault raptor. - On the underside it looks like there are three internal weapons bay doors. - On the left hand side there is a probe like fitting, inflight refueling probe that can extend forward? - I wonder where the dispensers are for the countermeasures?
Damn, 2004?! - I feel so old now lol Great episode guys, always loved this ship, very much the work horse of the Colonial fleet, Viper pilots get all the glory but they would be nothing without a Raptor scouting the way ;-)
I don't know if anyone here plays the game bsg squadrons but, if you like the fight craft from bsg then its a great way to see a lot of other designs from that world that dreamed were up just for the game. I like it because it sort of fills out the world a bit more as craft that fit different roles the Raptor and Viper don't fill that a military would have.
The box in the front might be a FLIR (Foorward Looking InfraRed) pod? Would definetely be useful in a space-based Search and Rescue operation. Deep space is cold.
It looks like it has 5 Thrusters on the bottom and 3 landing skids. Also some additional slatted vents that might be involved in the hovering function in atmosphere It looks like it's designed to fly in a more normal flight path in space as it only has very limited manoeuvring thrusters for space flight. The only ones I can spot are on the back of the lower tail booms and the landing thrusters underneath (especially the small ones) but there appears to be some micro-thrusters on the nose under the cockpit both on the front and sides and several on the leading edges of the wings so it does have some - I think I can see a few on the underside rear too.
I'd love to see your guys' take on the Nostromo or Sulaco from Alien/Aliens. What is your opinion of the Valkyrie/Veritech from Macross/Robotech? How about your take on either Thunderbird 3 or 5?
The Raptor in size is more comparable to the OH-6 Cayuse (Hughes 500) than the UH-60 Blackhawk. That is in size and role. A proper heavy lift and logistics chassis was missing from the reboot.
The underside of the raptor shows 3 sets of panels on a rise in the center of the craft, that looked to me to be closed louvers for a downward thrusting engine similar the ones on the X32 VTOL fighter. That would make the three small objects the retracted landing gear.
19:21 - I think you guys are talking about seperate parts of the ship in the landing gear/thruster debate. It's got both. 3 landing pads, 3 thrusters. EDIT: Sometimes I think you guys need a telestrator thing to point out what you're talking about.
You'll get no argument from me on that one - I thoroughly enjoy all you do, especially the in the recent fleetyards episodes with the various ships for comparison. Really special top notch stuff you can't see anywhere else. So do you record the "slideshow" of pictures in real time as you and the Captain are talking, or are they done later "in post"?
Thanks! and indeed we like to think we specialize in things you cant see anywhere else! I mean where else can you see scale charts with all studio assets!! We pre-render them ahead of time and go though them live like the Mission Briefing. This is the concession of this style of show compared to the standard Saturday format which everything is rendered in the edit custom.
I see. Was thinking that a live telestrator type thing would probably be prohibitively expensive (if it exists at all on a consumer level?), so for times when you're doing an edit you could do a low rent version where if need be you could exchange hastily marked up pics via a messenger app while you're talking, and then edit in the arrows or circles or whatever later for the audience. I realize that would be a lot of trouble to go to... so don't mind me - more or less just thinking it through for my own benefit!
we do appreciate your notes...we tried to help with this by making sure this show was 1080HD...at least then the show has so much detail that you should be able to see what we can see, and in full resolution! (takes SO long to render these haha!)
14:54 Strange, I would consider that one to be the most advanced by looking at the smaller engines. 23:37 I recall that Henry from Pacific 201 mentioned that space being a vacuum would not help with heat, so International Space Station’s residents are actually more in danger of cooking than freezing. 24:24 Well yes, isn't that the Matt Jefferies doctrine to make something look futuristic?
The Raptor is never big enough to carry any useful cargo load. They used it in the show as a VIP transport, but it was designed as a Scout class Recon and rescue ship. Never really meant for atmospheric flight, it can, despite the wings being completely squared off. Something that always made me laugh in the show. When ever you saw this in motion in the flight desk having just landed, there would be a guy waving it forward with light battons, while another guy was pulling it on a pallet truck.
Ah, and again sweet memories. Nice one as always. Every time I see this one, it makes me think of "Boomer". It was a bummer though, that she was a cylon, too
I suppose those prongs could be pitot tubes, but why more than one? Definitely would have more than one dradis aerial, maybe one for ELINT, IFF receiver, and weather for atmospheric flight. I'd bet there's also a target designator of some kind in the housing too.
Having more than one pitot tube would be for redundancy. Ever see how many there are in any modern commercial liner? I remember one model had 4, 2 for each pilot - I don't recall if it was a Boeing or Airbus.
I still like the realism of the design for the Starfury even more for a pure spacecraft. The Raptor is great for what it was designed for, but the Viper would be best in-atmosphere.
Doug Drexler recently posted some amazing photos of the Raptor they built. I know you have him as a FB friend, I'm suprised you didn't include any of his pics in this.
I'll put this at # 4 on my all-time list. #3 - Eagle from Space:1999 #2 - USS Defiant from DSNine #1 - Danube-class runabout, also from DSNine. (Whose Eaglemoss model I haven't picked up in almost an hour... 😂😂😂😂) And a question - RDM famously dislikes the 'science' end of science fiction, so there's very little data on specs in the show. Do either of you (or anyone else) know if anyone has privately expanded on this, put out actual spec books?
What's up gents can you do a episode on the TV show called The Expanse on the scify channel the ship is called the Rocinante it is from the Martian Congressional Republic Navy. This show takes place in the solar system about 200 years in the future there is no FTL drives but nearly all the Solar System has been explored and people live on many moons.
yes! Which iteration? Cylon War Version as seen in Blood and Chrome Museum Ship as seen in the BSG Pilot Damaged Galactica S1 Damaged Galactica S3 enhanced detail model? :D
power543 The Cylon War era and Blood and Chrome should have the same configuration. I was thinking of the Mini series through the end of season 4. or you could do a mix up between the Cylon War era and TV show. Dealer's choice.
I'm aware of that, however the armor and gun configuration is different between the Razor flashbacks and B&C. Though technically, one of the ships in that Razor screenshot is Galactica as well. But Columbia gets more screen time. Razor: imgur.com/NMcWVvX B&C: www.isitcontagious.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/bloodandchrome.jpg
I'm aware they're just texture differences, but since this is the best image of the green SAR raptor: www.flickr.com/photos/sastrei87/21010259280 - it would be neat to see them up close. I wasn't aware of anything besides squadron/pilot texture changes on the various vipers, what other colors do you have?
It doesn't look like an attack, recon, troop transport vehicle at all. It's bulbous look screams work vehicle of some type. Imagine it floating around space stations.
When Adama's commander says Thats your plane ower there he thought he was gonna pilot the Viper 2 but instead commander was showing him a Raptor and Adama said ı came here to kill Cylons not to be a School Bus Driver
There's a scene (from _The Plan_ ) which had a Search and Rescue variant used as an ambulance. The paint job is shown here: chiletrek.deviantart.com/art/Colonial-Raptor-2-507052033
The exposed engines are a really bad idea, though. Micrometeorites or dust, let alone a stray bullet, would tear those things apart, especially at the relative velocities of spaceflight. Just put a cover on that stuff: Chief Tyrol will thank you...
Chief might not thank you - pulling outer panels and getting them back on tight pisses off crew chiefs to no end. Case in point - exposed "turkey feathers" on an F-15. Ever wonder why the arse-end of an Eagle looks unfinished. The engine nozzles and actuators used to have coverings that were such a pain to remove and replace during servicing they were finally left off. I suppose micrometeorites would be an issue, though.
this thing is totally overglorified for some reason. i mean in the end it shoots like 10 nukes on that giant cylon basestar and wins the day which means it had higher firepower than galactica and pegasus at any given point in the show for some reason...
Only criticism I ever had with the raptor is I thought given its mission they made it too small. I always believed it should have been maybe a 1/4 again larger because in general I see the real world equivalent being the UH-60 Black Hawk with a length of 64 ft and the viper being the F-16 with a length of 49 ft. Anyways its just my two cents.
A better comparison would be one of the Russian mid sized helicopters with stacked twin rotors and an H tail - the more typical Helicopter has along tail that isn't usable space this not being a rotorcraft and having it's engines on top doesn't need that. Something like the Ka-32 is a close comparison perhaps. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra-rotating
I've always wondered if it's smallish size was a result of being on an ancient battlestar with low decks etc. I.e. it's a 20 year old design because the new ones won't fit etc.
while used as a troop transport because they had no other options the primary role of the Raptor is NOT as a blackhawk helicopter. it is an A-6 Intruder is an extra passenger area. FIRST thing it does in the Series is provide Combat support to a Viper Squardon.
I think it's important to remember that the Runabout isn't really a fighter or even a bomber. It's a way for DS9 to project itself. They function as a sort of mobile base for Starfleet teams. A Runabout even has 2 decks, if I recall. Their internal shots make them look extremely roomy. When you see a runabout, you should probably feel as if you just saw a Patrol Boat or Cutter show up. Where as if a Raptor or Starfury shows up, you should feel like an attack helicopter just showed up. Completely different mission profiles.
Scale kinda makes sense if you put an overhead of a uh6 Blackhawk and a fighter like an f18 next to each other. The transport is all fuselage and the fighter is all flight control surfaces, engines, fuel and ammunition storage, and weapon hardpoints
My thoughts;
- On forward sensor mount with the three cables, seems to suggest this can be swapped out for different sensor packages quickly.
- I feel like the three holes on the leading edge of each wing are internal cannon ports. With heavier caliber cannon being able to be fitted externally like on the assault raptor.
- On the underside it looks like there are three internal weapons bay doors.
- On the left hand side there is a probe like fitting, inflight refueling probe that can extend forward?
- I wonder where the dispensers are for the countermeasures?
Damn, 2004?! - I feel so old now lol
Great episode guys, always loved this ship, very much the work horse of the Colonial fleet, Viper pilots get all the glory but they would be nothing without a Raptor scouting the way ;-)
I don't know if anyone here plays the game bsg squadrons but, if you like the fight craft from bsg then its a great way to see a lot of other designs from that world that dreamed were up just for the game. I like it because it sort of fills out the world a bit more as craft that fit different roles the Raptor and Viper don't fill that a military would have.
the best way I can sum up the awesomeness of this ship is when Adama says I want a marine Strike Team a Raptor you know it's about to be business
Great episode guys BSG was a great series.
You fancy Viper jockeys can say what you want. Raptor wranglers work for a living.
Raptor the workhorse of the fleet.
@@thunberbolttwo3953 So say we all.
The Raptor is a futuristic version of a Blackhawk helicopter. A true multi role craft.
The Stealth Ship could be flown in the PS game WipeOut the aesthetic is very similar to one of the main race teams called Feisar
The box in the front might be a FLIR (Foorward Looking InfraRed) pod? Would definetely be useful in a space-based Search and Rescue operation. Deep space is cold.
It looks like it has 5 Thrusters on the bottom and 3 landing skids. Also some additional slatted vents that might be involved in the hovering function in atmosphere
It looks like it's designed to fly in a more normal flight path in space as it only has very limited manoeuvring thrusters for space flight.
The only ones I can spot are on the back of the lower tail booms and the landing thrusters underneath (especially the small ones) but there appears to be some micro-thrusters on the nose under the cockpit both on the front and sides and several on the leading edges of the wings so it does have some - I think I can see a few on the underside rear too.
Great show as always. Love this ship. Can't wait for the Moebuis Raptor model kit to come out.
I'd love to see your guys' take on the Nostromo or Sulaco from Alien/Aliens. What is your opinion of the Valkyrie/Veritech from Macross/Robotech? How about your take on either Thunderbird 3 or 5?
The Raptor in size is more comparable to the OH-6 Cayuse (Hughes 500) than the UH-60 Blackhawk. That is in size and role. A proper heavy lift and logistics chassis was missing from the reboot.
Maybe the side vents as seen from the stern are atmospheric propulsion?
One version of the raptor excluded is the ambulance raptor from The Plan.
The triangle is for firefighting. If there is an onboard fire, they blunge a firefighting spear into that spot to fill the inside with foam.
The red triangle markings are a warning that the craft has ejection seats.
The underside of the raptor shows 3 sets of panels on a rise in the center of the craft, that looked to me to be closed louvers for a downward thrusting engine similar the ones on the X32 VTOL fighter. That would make the three small objects the retracted landing gear.
So Say We All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't wait to see if you guys do the Rocinante from The Expanse
Could use some labels on the multi-ship screen, didn't know which one you were talking about, around 7 minutes in.
With the sensor dish on top, yeah, an Apache helo. And the 3-D i awesome.
I know star citizen isn't a TV show and it is a game but the ships look great and i wound love you to cover some of them.
19:21 - I think you guys are talking about seperate parts of the ship in the landing gear/thruster debate. It's got both. 3 landing pads, 3 thrusters.
EDIT: Sometimes I think you guys need a telestrator thing to point out what you're talking about.
with 7 shows a week...and original renders needed for most...we do the best we can!
You'll get no argument from me on that one - I thoroughly enjoy all you do, especially the in the recent fleetyards episodes with the various ships for comparison. Really special top notch stuff you can't see anywhere else.
So do you record the "slideshow" of pictures in real time as you and the Captain are talking, or are they done later "in post"?
Thanks! and indeed we like to think we specialize in things you cant see anywhere else! I mean where else can you see scale charts with all studio assets!!
We pre-render them ahead of time and go though them live like the Mission Briefing. This is the concession of this style of show compared to the standard Saturday format which everything is rendered in the edit custom.
I see. Was thinking that a live telestrator type thing would probably be prohibitively expensive (if it exists at all on a consumer level?), so for times when you're doing an edit you could do a low rent version where if need be you could exchange hastily marked up pics via a messenger app while you're talking, and then edit in the arrows or circles or whatever later for the audience. I realize that would be a lot of trouble to go to... so don't mind me - more or less just thinking it through for my own benefit!
we do appreciate your notes...we tried to help with this by making sure this show was 1080HD...at least then the show has so much detail that you should be able to see what we can see, and in full resolution! (takes SO long to render these haha!)
The Raptor is a great design. It's a combination AWACS, Electronic Warfare Platform and assault helicopter.
Missing the TOS BSG shuttle craft. That was large and believeable for it's role.
14:54 Strange, I would consider that one to be the most advanced by looking at the smaller engines.
23:37 I recall that Henry from Pacific 201 mentioned that space being a vacuum would not help with heat, so International Space Station’s residents are actually more in danger of cooking than freezing.
24:24 Well yes, isn't that the Matt Jefferies doctrine to make something look futuristic?
The Raptor is never big enough to carry any useful cargo load. They used it in the show as a VIP transport, but it was designed as a Scout class Recon and rescue ship. Never really meant for atmospheric flight, it can, despite the wings being completely squared off. Something that always made me laugh in the show. When ever you saw this in motion in the flight desk having just landed, there would be a guy waving it forward with light battons, while another guy was pulling it on a pallet truck.
In the future you guys should compare your fighters to a Modern fighter plane like the f-22 raptor
Ah, and again sweet memories. Nice one as always. Every time I see this one, it makes me think of "Boomer". It was a bummer though, that she was a cylon, too
Did you guys by chance get the Blood & Chrome Galactica? Would love to see more of that model.
we will at some point be looking at that! We don't have yet yet however...but we want to do a comparison to show of the evolution of the Galatica!
Excellent, now I'm looking forward to the evolution of the Galactica. :)
Excellent! Look forward to that!
I suppose those prongs could be pitot tubes, but why more than one?
Definitely would have more than one dradis aerial, maybe one for ELINT, IFF receiver, and weather for atmospheric flight. I'd bet there's also a target designator of some kind in the housing too.
Having more than one pitot tube would be for redundancy. Ever see how many there are in any modern commercial liner? I remember one model had 4, 2 for each pilot - I don't recall if it was a Boeing or Airbus.
The space going love-child of an Apache Long-Bow & a Hind
BSG re-imagined was great.
I still like the realism of the design for the Starfury even more for a pure spacecraft. The Raptor is great for what it was designed for, but the Viper would be best in-atmosphere.
Well it's certainly an interesting ship design.
I enjoyed BSG: TOS, but BSG: TNG blew my mind.
Such a capable little ship.
26:22 those are Pitot Tubes
There are landing gear, the show has scenes of them being taxied around.
Would have been nice to have a size comparison to real world military helicopter as well.
Doug Drexler recently posted some amazing photos of the Raptor they built. I know you have him as a FB friend, I'm suprised you didn't include any of his pics in this.
17:32 - Maybe they release chaff?
I'll put this at # 4 on my all-time list.
#3 - Eagle from Space:1999
#2 - USS Defiant from DSNine
#1 - Danube-class runabout, also from DSNine. (Whose Eaglemoss model I haven't picked up in almost an hour... 😂😂😂😂)
And a question - RDM famously dislikes the 'science' end of science fiction, so there's very little data on specs in the show. Do either of you (or anyone else) know if anyone has privately expanded on this, put out actual spec books?
I think the original Cylon raider was the coolest looking
When comparing fighters in the future you should compare it to a modern fighter plane like the f-22 raptor
the colonial raptor does have landing gear
Where's the full episode? That still on the roadmap?
Captian. Pitot tubes. :)
LOL. Thanks!! ;-)
What's up gents can you do a episode on the TV show called The Expanse on the scify channel the ship is called the Rocinante it is from the Martian Congressional Republic Navy. This show takes place in the solar system about 200 years in the future there is no FTL drives but nearly all the Solar System has been explored and people live on many moons.
Isn't said show premiering on Feb 4? as in, it's not even on the air yet?
Thats season 2 premier date
There's also a obvious antenna in the same place on the other side.
What I am trying to figure out is how the hell those wires and greeleys don't burn up in Reentry
better sound and image quality from your chanel
very nice
we have used the same webcam's for a year and a half and the same microphones for 7 months :) Thanks though!
for me the stream was smooth..some older streams look buggy....just saying..
good job guys..appreciate what are u doing for star trek universe.
Can you do a episode on the Reimagined Battlestar Galactica ship or the Mercury Class Battlestar?
yes! Which iteration?
Cylon War Version as seen in Blood and Chrome
Museum Ship as seen in the BSG Pilot
Damaged Galactica S1
Damaged Galactica S3 enhanced detail model?
:D
Don't forget Columbia from Razor. It's got more armor than series Galactica but fewer guns than B&C Galactica.
power543 The Cylon War era and Blood and Chrome should have the same configuration. I was thinking of the Mini series through the end of season 4. or you could do a mix up between the Cylon War era and TV show. Dealer's choice.
Stefan Garcia Columbia is the same class as the RDM Galactica
I'm aware of that, however the armor and gun configuration is different between the Razor flashbacks and B&C.
Though technically, one of the ships in that Razor screenshot is Galactica as well. But Columbia gets more screen time.
Razor: imgur.com/NMcWVvX
B&C: www.isitcontagious.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/bloodandchrome.jpg
@trekyards Will the Raptor ep include both SAR raptors too?
Both? which was the 2nd?
There are green and red versions.
those would just be texture differences rather than different models. We also have several colored vipers but its the same ship so wont feature them.
I'm aware they're just texture differences, but since this is the best image of the green SAR raptor: www.flickr.com/photos/sastrei87/21010259280 - it would be neat to see them up close. I wasn't aware of anything besides squadron/pilot texture changes on the various vipers, what other colors do you have?
This was the Huey of BSG.
It doesn't look like an attack, recon, troop transport vehicle at all. It's bulbous look screams work vehicle of some type. Imagine it floating around space stations.
When Adama's commander says Thats your plane ower there he thought he was gonna pilot the Viper 2 but instead commander was showing him a Raptor and Adama said ı came here to kill Cylons not to be a School Bus Driver
There's a scene (from _The Plan_ ) which had a Search and Rescue variant used as an ambulance. The paint job is shown here: chiletrek.deviantart.com/art/Colonial-Raptor-2-507052033
This is the space version of a UH-60 BlackHawk.
Yes. And with an F-15 Eagle's rear just because.
Question don't remember how do you get into it?
Side door that opens.
Side door, then the pilots have to slide into their seats and drop a center control panel between them.
The exposed engines are a really bad idea, though. Micrometeorites or dust, let alone a stray bullet, would tear those things apart, especially at the relative velocities of spaceflight. Just put a cover on that stuff: Chief Tyrol will thank you...
I agree, have always said before they submit a final design an actual engineer should be on staff just to give suggestions.
Chief might not thank you - pulling outer panels and getting them back on tight pisses off crew chiefs to no end. Case in point - exposed "turkey feathers" on an F-15. Ever wonder why the arse-end of an Eagle looks unfinished. The engine nozzles and actuators used to have coverings that were such a pain to remove and replace during servicing they were finally left off.
I suppose micrometeorites would be an issue, though.
Death Glider is still the most badass looking of them all.
love the raptor other than its scale. Its WAY too small for its multirole purpose. It should be about twice the size
this thing is totally overglorified for some reason. i mean in the end it shoots like 10 nukes on that giant cylon basestar and wins the day which means it had higher firepower than galactica and pegasus at any given point in the show for some reason...
crossover cool harry turtledove between B S G universe
Will you guys do a video on the ships here......
www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10361233-the-undiscovered-lockbox
later!
Never mind
Watch BSG
Only criticism I ever had with the raptor is I thought given its mission they made it too small. I always believed it should have been maybe a 1/4 again larger because in general I see the real world equivalent being the UH-60 Black Hawk with a length of 64 ft and the viper being the F-16 with a length of 49 ft. Anyways its just my two cents.
A better comparison would be one of the Russian mid sized helicopters with stacked twin rotors and an H tail - the more typical Helicopter has along tail that isn't usable space this not being a rotorcraft and having it's engines on top doesn't need that.
Something like the Ka-32 is a close comparison perhaps.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra-rotating
Completely agree. Seems way too small for its mission profile.
I've always wondered if it's smallish size was a result of being on an ancient battlestar with low decks etc. I.e. it's a 20 year old design because the new ones won't fit etc.
while used as a troop transport because they had no other options the primary role of the Raptor is NOT as a blackhawk helicopter.
it is an A-6 Intruder is an extra passenger area. FIRST thing it does in the Series is provide Combat support to a Viper Squardon.
er With an extra passenger area
Battles Star galactic unvisve both viper sand rapor fly though the with easy stargate
pitot tube
Always thought this was a very poor design and aesthetically it has nothing at all to do with the rest of the Colonial aesthetic...
lol
Sorry I don't like this ship and to be brutaly honest I don't like the rebooted Battlestar Galactica.
When comparing fighters in the future you should compare it to a modern fighter plane like the f-22 raptor