Video packed full of valuable info,a profesional at work,keep safe bud,i'm a petrol head at heart(even tuned a few cars/trucks in my life)BUT the superiority of the electric motor will bring the end to the combustion engine,even if a little to late😊in 10 years the electric trucks will have a BIG slice of the pie...
Only thing I can see is; charging infrastructure is far from being even mediocre. I appreciate your efforts to provide feedback during the early days of EV trucks.
It's very interesting to see how electric trucks are starting to be more and more used down on the continent. Up here in Norway there's still a VERY vocal bunch of naysayers about it, claiming that they don't work, can't do the job in the winter etc. Fun to see someone putting a lot of useful, real-world information into the vids.
Electric trucking makes so much sense. Rest periods when you can charge, no gears, little risk of brake failure on hills and no toxic fumes. The software reboots are embarrassing though! PS I am concerned that your little dog cant see out the windows when on the seat :)
charge times & waiting mean longer freight times. Driving is very relaxing & it's mostly people who do not drive 50hrs a week that think long distance driving is hard. It is hard for someone who normally drives 8hrs a week to & from work & shops.
No. I still insist diesel is better. If you want to know that electric are a failure. Let him pull a trailer having an excavator, bulldozer those construction vehicles up a hill. It will totally won't manage.
@@kennerayzom6188 You really think electric motors that have instant torque and are used in trains and big mining trucks that carry insane loads are less powerful than diesels? Woah you're dense..
@@dcptiv But you have regulated rest times anyways that you can use for charging? There will be no time wasted for charging when you plan your route ahead and use the mandatory rest times for charging.
1-2% probabil the BMS that recalculating a cold battery overnight. When is wormer the voltage is a bit higher , let say ~0.05v/cell but at a 600kwh+ battery, matters.
Man, I know nothing about trucks, electric or otherwise, never even driven an electric car yet but I love your videos. Also, I love that you drive with your doggy. Show us more of the doggo please.
The rest counter system needs to be improved to match electric truckers like yours. They should allow grace periods of 5-10mins or so for repositioning. Very interesting report.
I don't understand why it's so draconian in Europe. In the US you have the option of selecting personal conveyance or simply drive below 5 mph. These options are specifically set up so a driver doesn't get caught in these in between scenarios.
@@erik....In the US the electronic driver's log only activates when you are moving above 5 mph. It's specifically set up that way so you can move a truck around the parking lot.
That's actually an interesting point!! I always thought that electric trucks wouldn't work because batteries would eat into payload too much. Happy to be proven wrong!!
@@martinluescher5009 yes because regulation gave them 2 ton more of gross combined weight a new diesel truck could carry safely way more than 40ton, it's just regulations
@glaucocasadio3167 true, but isn't the weight limit there to protect the roads and infrastructure? It's not like they're trying to give an "unfair" advantage to electric trucks
@@martinluescher5009 right. Same as the rest regulations. They may be artificial, but they're just reality.. No different having speed limits. In scenarios where electric vehicles are better because of restrictions.. Then.. They're better lol.
Nice,positive and good video. Was a truckdriver for 20years,but with dieseltrucks:) Wish i had an electric drivetrain back then..quiet,fast👍 I have approx 100.000 miles in ev cars. Love it👍
Here in the UK Amazon seem to have a warehouse every 20 miles, hopefully they will add chargers to their own properties rather than reserve all the chargers.
Watching from Australia, I'm blown away by how patchy and poorly thought through the charging infrastructure is in Europe. I honestly thought there would be large, well maintained charging parks everywhere. Here in Queensland the government is building a basic set of spinal routes with fast-ish chargers, but again consistent availability and maintenance is an issue. It's wild really, you'd not see petrol stations with consistent bowser outages like this, affecting revenue
You've seen a snapshot of a part of one country in Europe. Every country in Europe has different levels of progression. Some are much better than others. The UK has an amazing infrastructure for EVs with nearly 72k public chargers.
@@z00hto quote zapmap: "As of October 2024, there are 13,953 rapid or ultra-rapid charging deviced." Rapid = up to 150kw > 7561 Ultra rapid = greater than 150kw > 6492 That's a lot 😮
I had the iveco Stralis 500 to not interrupt break time if you drove at les than5 mph it didn’t flick on to the drive mode on the digital tacho Try this after only a few minutes break so if it doesn’t work on the eclectic one you won’t loose break time may work on the Scalia too
i use a walking floor trailer i only disconnect if the trailer is going for a service or with the unit needs a inspection ,this man does more trailer connects and disconnects then i do in 3 months
I think I have an interesting idea. Chargers at the loading stations. I seen that some bus stations are adding them so that buses can extend their run time without having to go to the depot or garage. They can top up for 20mins using the phantograph whilst they wait for their next journey.
This is really cool! I didn't know Iveco made an electric version! This is the first of your videos I have seen.
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Great insights. Loving your channel since I found it a few weeks ago. I’m a Fisker Ocean owner and it’s super interesting to see that many of the issues owners have had with our EVs are reflected in this truck. No auto hold, randomly rebooting software, drive loss errors and 1-2% phantom loss overnight! Glad to say most of these have been solved with OTA updates (despite Fisker now being bankrupt!). Hopefully Iveco will solve them for you soon too!
About charging a rest times: By AC charging standard, max current is 63A or about 43kW. If the truck can draw 43kW with onboard AC charger, you would need only 63A socket to charge overnight. In 7 hours of rest it would put in 300kWh of charge. And they would need to install 43kW AC socket every other parking space.
Super report.... Drive electric trucks will be nice in the future.... 👍😉 I just found your first video with your story, nice jobs. I drive EV's for 12 years now. My actual is from 2015 with original HV battery and engines, 430.000 km and 89% soh. Have nice dayssss.. Eric second hand S70D 30kwh LFP, victron multiplus 3000/48, smart charger NS victron single phase 3kw , 8kwc solar panels 600 euros electricity bill per year, 45000 km a year on the road. Thanks Tesla free SUC....45%\55% at home.
i was just watching the video you did talking how it looks like a tesla inside xD Way to prove my point here, ive had plenty of problems with the RADION in my MAN i cant imagine ALL of your controls dying because of qulaity software
This version of the S-eWay are more of a prototype. They have launched and updatet version, with a complete different interior. My guess is that the new version have less of this rebooting issues f.ex.
I have a Jeep Avenger and I think your Iveco shares the firmware update logic, like mine you won't see any change in version numbers after an update, you can only see them before and during the update.
electric cargo hauling still has a way to go before its usable outside of densely populated areas like europe.....i average between 600 and 800 miles a day......i've driven a couple of electric trucks, one little town delivery units and a chinese windrose etruck that looks like a knockoff tesla truck.....i was impressed with the power the chinese truck had
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Yeah in Europe its "different" from where you live apparently. Time and speed limits the max range per day to way less than 800 miles here, at least for single-driver
Awesome videos mate :) today I randomly found you and going through all the videos ! I am going through Germany a lot with my EV so next time I will keep a better eye on trucks I am passing over to see if it's not EV Truck :)
About your uphill driving. I'm not sure you're entirely correct, it sure depends on the car/engine/truck. But in general, ICE engine works with best efficiency when at full power - that does not mean max rpm. You can still be in the optimal RPM range, and use the full power at those RPM and in that regard use the ICE engine with best possible efficiency, that is especially true for the diesel engines. With the electric motors, the efficiency does not change much with RPM, that's true. But driving uphill much faster, means running the the electric motor at higher power, higher amps, which in term means more thermal stress for the motor, cables and battery, introducing some additional heat losses for higher power used for heigher speeds uphil. So to sum up... as you were explaning, the ICE engine would be more efficient uphill at full power, at the same time, electric motor would be less efficient at heigher power.
Electric motor efficiency and RPM (Revolutions Per Minute) are closely related, but not directly interchangeable. Efficiency in electric motors refers to how effectively the motor converts electrical energy into mechanical energy. This efficiency depends on several factors, including the design of the motor, load conditions, and the operating RPM. ### Key Points on Electric Motor Efficiency and RPM: 1. **Motor Efficiency Curve**: - Most electric motors have an efficiency curve that shows how efficiently they operate at different loads and speeds (RPM). Efficiency is usually highest at a certain range of RPM, typically around the motor's rated speed. - If the motor is operating at too low or too high a speed compared to its rated RPM, efficiency can drop due to factors like increased losses in the windings and the core or excessive mechanical friction. 2. **Load vs. RPM**: - **Full Load**: At or near full load, motors typically operate at their highest efficiency. If the load is reduced, efficiency may decrease. - **Low RPM**: When the motor runs at lower RPM, the losses in the motor (such as copper losses and core losses) can become more significant, reducing overall efficiency. - **High RPM**: Operating at higher RPM can lead to increased mechanical losses, like friction and windage losses, which also negatively impact efficiency. 3. **Efficiency vs. Power Output**: - As RPM increases, the power output of the motor also increases, but at a certain point, the motor's ability to maintain efficiency diminishes due to increased losses. - The motor’s design (e.g., permanent magnet, induction, or synchronous) will affect how it handles varying RPMs, with some types being more efficient at different speed ranges. ### Summary: Electric motor efficiency varies with RPM and is typically optimized at a certain operating speed. Too low or too high RPM can reduce efficiency due to higher losses. Therefore, it's important to match the motor's RPM to its designed operating range for maximum efficiency.
@@simsnqta all you wrote is completly true, but also completly out of context for this particular case. If this truck electric motor drives the whole 40t of a vehicle uphill at 60km/h or 90km/h... it both cases it will still be well within normal AND most efficient operating RPM range, thus, the efficiency of the electric motor itself at either 60km/h or 90km/h won't really be the major factor in overall consumption. Everything else, from drag, mechanical friction and most of all increased currents in the installation AND battery will be the much more important contributors to higher consumpton than the electric motor itself. So, despite a much smaller increase of consumpton (compared to diesel truck), driving uphill at 90km/h will still be less efficient than driving uphill at 60km/h, with the electric truck. Getting the best efficiency out of diesel truck is a different recipe, keeping it at best RPM and at full load, usuall means best efficiency, where the charge pressures and fuel burn is at its best. My point was... Driving the diesel engine at 20% load is way less efficient tha driving electric motor at 20% load. Electric motors efficiency doesn't vairy as much as the diesel engine efficency depending on the load.
Videos are awesome. It’s really interesting. Just wondering what the costs are like compared to a diesel truck of the same type. I could imagine that a lot of public charging is expensive.
I have asked a couple drivers to move move kindly, so that i can get double the charging speed, the other charger had 50kw and he was at 40kw charging speed, he understood me and moved
How viable would it be to have specialised trailers for these electric tractor units, that have a solar panel on the roof? Surely a panel that size (20m2+) could generate enough to extend journeys?? (Albeit during the day only)
As you can see, the truck's battery is about 600kWh and it lasts less than a day. The trailer roof is maybe 30 square meters. 1 square meter of solar panel, when positioned carefully, will produce over 1000 kWh yearly. So let's say 500 kWh yearly maximum in this use case. That multiplied by 30 gives 15 MWh. That would cover about 5% of consumption. So - not a lot. You still need to charge 95% of what you did without the solar panels.
Of course the current is going to be prepaid for reserved sports. If you use less, maybe they'll give you some back. Let's say you have to pre pay all calculated reservations for next month, including the current, now that's some negative working capital for the charging stations operators..
It’s running a digital taco so he’s over 3.5ton working. He’s lorry diver with a C+E licence. Nothing wrong with one foot driving. It uses engine breaking to slow you down nothing different than a retarder. I try and do one foot driving in the DAFs, Volvo, Scania, Mercedes, Man’s I drive slowing down to the lights conserving fuel ⛽️.(*edit* and brakes) Going down hill you will need to use the air breaks as well I’m sure definitely when carrying a max loud to stop the electric motor over heating Are you a crash box American 18 speed Arctic Driver or someone on a little pick up they call a truck 🛻?
Some very poor decisions from Iveco. The hill start assist is like our Volvo’s. Let’s go after a few seconds. RUBBISH!!! The regen breaking issues seems very odd too. The fast no regen is used under foot peddle braking. Great watch though. Loving your content so so much. I just need to get working for a company here in the UK who can supply me with an electric truck.
Since brake pads and discs need to be 100% efficient at 100% of the time so that they can provide 100% of stopping power in an event of emergency, not using friction brakes at all and always relying on regen braking could be considered a safety issue, as the pads/discs don't get cleaned as often or at all. Seems that Iveco understands this better than an average TH-cam viewer.
But surely as EV drivers we understand this can be an issue. At least one a week I make sure I use the brakes properly to wear off any surface rust. A blend of the regen and brakes is a better system rather than just 100% brake pads. I’ve owned electric cars for over 11 years now so I’m aware of all the braking systems and maintenance needed. I’m really enjoying your channel by the way. 👍👍
There is a technical reason for the slow charging...sh*tty Alpitronic chargers. They must be cheap, otherwise I don't understand why more and more CPO's are installing these chargers. I hope they go bust soon and CPO's will switch over to Kempower.
Thinking forward, in 30 years or so when more trucks will be electric, just imaginebthe size of charging parks and how often they will have to be placed. 😮
Almost certainly, in 30yrs electric trucks will have the same range and refueling times of today's diesel truck. So, infrastructure will be no different from how it is right now for gas stations
None of that. In 30 years there will only be autonomous trucks. The charging will happen at the pick up and drop off locations. Very few mid route stations will be needed, especially since the routes are known and charging locations can be stratigically placed.
He said the critical drive function like speed indicator still showed. It would be no different at that point than an old school vehicle without a modern dashboard that only shows basic telemetry.
There's a test road with this setup near his company's headquarters that he will present in a later video. (It's already available on his German channel)
Oh.. forgot to add that they want surcharges starting from dec 2025 for situations when there isn't enough energy in the system to up to 68000 euros / MW. if you would apply it to the current situation, instead of 2800/MW it would cost 21000/MW. Yes 21k you read that right! Good job Europe!
Oh, btw, almost 2800euros for next day MW reservation! Let that sink in! Do you think this is feasible for the charging park operators to sell you the kW 2-4 orders of magnitude lower than they buy?
It will be interesting to see how the tech develops, but this is far from convincing. Where's the cost comparison and more importantly, what's the source of the power supplied by the charging stations? You're having to deal with an ever increasing amount of Amazon drivers hogging the charging stations, sapping even more of the time being lost vs a quick refuel. Even if the cost was on a par, the time taken to recharge, the risk of chargers being out of use or incompatible, and the seemingly random charging rates are all major issues that absolutely must be overcome.
Soooo it is all about the charging infrastructure. and it seems bad. Why can Tesla do it for EV's and others not? Hope they soon update their stations for trucks.
Tesla were smart. They knew that their real profits come from being an energy provider, not making the cars. Millions of EVs including non Teslas means fat cash for doing little other than putting a charger in.
To preface, I think EV trucks are the stupidest thing I've ever seen! But my god, your channel is a wonderful example of why I think that! Bravo for showing to the world the stupidity of such a non solution to a non problem! Funniest show this morning! You got my sub and thumbs up!
would like to see a electric truck pull a MC load 1500klm across Australia in 1 day. A round trip from Newcastle NSW to Brisbane QLD is just over 1500klm & can be done in 1 shift.
Very strange seing the comments, seems that people only like positive and non confronting coments or common sensed, this is only viable let me put this ( AT THE MOMENT) is not viable or even cost effective if you have to stop at least once a day to drop your trailer, charge, couple in then drive again, its actually ridiculous to think that people are ok with that and like you also said ( In this Industry time is money) so now I ask you, can you calculate how much time you waste a day from the moment you stop, drop the trailer, go and charge and hopefully you find a charger that actually charges, couple up then move on, I guarantee you that minimum 1 hour wasted every day, and for some that say that you have to take 45min break anyway, well most time you can do that anywhere and also you can do it while you're on a bay loading or unloading as long you're not doing it wich most European countries that's how it is these days, so this is mental how so many agree that this is the future) Also let me tell you, what the other trucker said about you moving quick and then press the rest button, let me tell you that by law is illegal and the new tachos do register the movement and can also be downloaded let's say if the police or any other legal agency is behind your truck it can actually download thr information and for that you'll get a fine, but hey you do it, most do, I done it until recently that I found out about it so just be careful with that. This is a very good idea if there's incentives and the driver does a route of day where he uses let's say 70/80% battery and that comes back to the depo/warehouse to charge every day/night, but for 90% of the industry is ridiculous trying to say this is brilliant, ask any big trucking business owner and he will tell you that, most run flat out, driving 9hours/600 or more km a day, other swap drivers like my place so the truck can be working 20plus hours straight, still only fuel up every 4 to 5 days and it takes 10 to 20 minutes depending the pump, so no this makes no sense unless it's the main depo deliveries that you don't need to waste your work tome planing a route that involves 2 charging points, that makes no sense as most of us already have the day full to worry about let alone dropping the trailer 2 times a day to charge. This is my view, 10 years in the industry.
While I do appreciate environmental benefits of electic vehicles, what you show us in your videos clearly demonstrates charging infrastructure just isn't there yet and we are all better off sticking with traditional engines. Thank you for taking the time to share this insight. I was seriously considering replacing my 13 year old gasoline car, but your vidoes (and German government removing electric car subsidies) convinced me electic cars simply don't make sense yet. In my current gas Honda I simply never have to plan anything. When tank gets to 1/4 or 1/8 I pull up to the next gas station and move on 4 minutes later. With electic charges being so few and far between (and taking long time to boot) it makes no sense for me to make the switch. Not to mention the cost of a new EV. I would take the jump if cost of entry were lower (since I do have a garage and so can easily charge at home - at least for day to day driving). But up front cost just absolutely destroys the rationale of making the switch and other inconveniences only make the whole proposition that much more undesirable.
EV just got much cheaper. The priced for batteries dropped 50% in 2024. And these professionals can calculate. It is not about the price for the truck alone, the overall costs are much cheaper in the end and so they can offer cheaper transportation which will make a difference in the market. Don't compare your privat experience with professional calculations where every cent counts. Holcim just bought 1000 eActros from Mercedes. The company of the Electrotrucker ordered more than 20 eTrucks. Btw: The European truck manufacturers just got together to build charging stations for trucks all over Europe. For cars you find a charging station anyway. 2024 alone more than 30.000 Charging points where build. I don't see a problem with convenience. Modern EVs can drive 400-700km anyway - if they are not build for the city.
As a former EV owner - you're now in the learning curve. At some point you'll figure out all this lost time for guessing where to charge and wait is not worth it and will go to diesel. I bought my first diesel after owning my first EV for 4 years. Good luck.
He develops his own App for charging points. These guys are professionals. They now where they can charge and we get more and more charging points everywhere. In the future you can also charge when loading/unloading as well.
hum i smell a big oil misinformation post. Exxon sock puppet has entered the chat. boring - go somewhere else and give children asthma with your particulates
Thanks for English video, I can see your original videos but cant understand 😜😂😂🤓
Just turn on the subtitles.
@ aaa ok I try 🤝👍👊🏼💪🏻🚒⚡️⚡️
Video packed full of valuable info,a profesional at work,keep safe bud,i'm a petrol head at heart(even tuned a few cars/trucks in my life)BUT the superiority of the electric motor will bring the end to the combustion engine,even if a little to late😊in 10 years the electric trucks will have a BIG slice of the pie...
you can see why the EU countries are going bankrupt. Investing in EV crap and "climate change" will do the job
Only thing I can see is; charging infrastructure is far from being even mediocre. I appreciate your efforts to provide feedback during the early days of EV trucks.
It's very interesting to see how electric trucks are starting to be more and more used down on the continent. Up here in Norway there's still a VERY vocal bunch of naysayers about it, claiming that they don't work, can't do the job in the winter etc. Fun to see someone putting a lot of useful, real-world information into the vids.
Electric trucking makes so much sense. Rest periods when you can charge, no gears, little risk of brake failure on hills and no toxic fumes. The software reboots are embarrassing though! PS I am concerned that your little dog cant see out the windows when on the seat :)
charge times & waiting mean longer freight times. Driving is very relaxing & it's mostly people who do not drive 50hrs a week that think long distance driving is hard. It is hard for someone who normally drives 8hrs a week to & from work & shops.
No. I still insist diesel is better. If you want to know that electric are a failure. Let him pull a trailer having an excavator, bulldozer those construction vehicles up a hill. It will totally won't manage.
@@kennerayzom6188 LOL, it literally shows you in the videos how it pulls so much stronger than diesel trucks
@@kennerayzom6188 You really think electric motors that have instant torque and are used in trains and big mining trucks that carry insane loads are less powerful than diesels? Woah you're dense..
@@dcptiv But you have regulated rest times anyways that you can use for charging? There will be no time wasted for charging when you plan your route ahead and use the mandatory rest times for charging.
That is so cool to watch the pros and cons of driving an electric truck on daily basis. Thank you for a great video
1-2% probabil the BMS that recalculating a cold battery overnight. When is wormer the voltage is a bit higher , let say ~0.05v/cell but at a 600kwh+ battery, matters.
Man, I know nothing about trucks, electric or otherwise, never even driven an electric car yet but I love your videos. Also, I love that you drive with your doggy. Show us more of the doggo please.
The rest counter system needs to be improved to match electric truckers like yours. They should allow grace periods of 5-10mins or so for repositioning.
Very interesting report.
Yes or maybe just limited on the speed to 15km/h or something to allow driving in a parking lot.
There is a grace period, but it's 30 seconds and max 10km/hr. So you can move, but it takes a bit of effort.
They kept it short to prevent working while resting.
I don't understand why it's so draconian in Europe. In the US you have the option of selecting personal conveyance or simply drive below 5 mph. These options are specifically set up so a driver doesn't get caught in these in between scenarios.
@@erik....In the US the electronic driver's log only activates when you are moving above 5 mph. It's specifically set up that way so you can move a truck around the parking lot.
You are so cool! I love the positivity. Afteral, not much difference in payload. 😁
That's actually an interesting point!! I always thought that electric trucks wouldn't work because batteries would eat into payload too much. Happy to be proven wrong!!
Yea that surprised me! Super interesting
@@martinluescher5009 yes because regulation gave them 2 ton more of gross combined weight
a new diesel truck could carry safely way more than 40ton, it's just regulations
@glaucocasadio3167 true, but isn't the weight limit there to protect the roads and infrastructure? It's not like they're trying to give an "unfair" advantage to electric trucks
@@martinluescher5009 right. Same as the rest regulations. They may be artificial, but they're just reality.. No different having speed limits. In scenarios where electric vehicles are better because of restrictions.. Then.. They're better lol.
Outstanding and positive report. Great to see so many manufacturers are jumping to the challenge.
Nice,positive and good video. Was a truckdriver for 20years,but with dieseltrucks:)
Wish i had an electric drivetrain back then..quiet,fast👍
I have approx 100.000 miles in ev cars. Love it👍
Hello from Trujillo Perú.
Thank you for uploading your videos in English.
Wow, internet has long arms. I am going back to pisco Perú @ end of month to escape the cold weather
@@half-breed
Where are you escaping from?
Here in the UK Amazon seem to have a warehouse every 20 miles, hopefully they will add chargers to their own properties rather than reserve all the chargers.
They have chargers for the vans at new warehouses.
Watching from Australia, I'm blown away by how patchy and poorly thought through the charging infrastructure is in Europe. I honestly thought there would be large, well maintained charging parks everywhere. Here in Queensland the government is building a basic set of spinal routes with fast-ish chargers, but again consistent availability and maintenance is an issue. It's wild really, you'd not see petrol stations with consistent bowser outages like this, affecting revenue
Maybe they have to much Software running on it. The Tesla SC‘s don‘t have displays and huge operating systems and seem to be more reliable.
You've seen a snapshot of a part of one country in Europe. Every country in Europe has different levels of progression. Some are much better than others. The UK has an amazing infrastructure for EVs with nearly 72k public chargers.
@@colinwiseman and how many DC chargers are there in the UK with >150kw of power delivery?
@@z00h in my town, York, there are 8 150+kWh going by zapmap. For 350kwh chargers looking at zapmap, there are a lot, closer than 100 miles apart.
@@z00hto quote zapmap:
"As of October 2024, there are 13,953 rapid or ultra-rapid charging deviced."
Rapid = up to 150kw > 7561
Ultra rapid = greater than 150kw > 6492
That's a lot 😮
I had the iveco Stralis 500 to not interrupt break time if you drove at les than5 mph it didn’t flick on to the drive mode on the digital tacho Try this after only a few minutes break so if it doesn’t work on the eclectic one you won’t loose break time may work on the Scalia too
i use a walking floor trailer i only disconnect if the trailer is going for a service or with the unit needs a inspection ,this man does more trailer connects and disconnects then i do in 3 months
I think I have an interesting idea. Chargers at the loading stations. I seen that some bus stations are adding them so that buses can extend their run time without having to go to the depot or garage. They can top up for 20mins using the phantograph whilst they wait for their next journey.
awesome. “uber cool”! - you are a proper trailblazer mate.
This is really cool! I didn't know Iveco made an electric version! This is the first of your videos I have seen.
Great insights. Loving your channel since I found it a few weeks ago.
I’m a Fisker Ocean owner and it’s super interesting to see that many of the issues owners have had with our EVs are reflected in this truck.
No auto hold, randomly rebooting software, drive loss errors and 1-2% phantom loss overnight!
Glad to say most of these have been solved with OTA updates (despite Fisker now being bankrupt!). Hopefully Iveco will solve them for you soon too!
Perfect timing, just about to eat dinner with a great video in front.
Bin mir sicher, dass die AFD was gegen Elektro Mobilität hat
Back when I used to deliver stuff on an eBike I loved being able to be faster than a ICE car for a second too lol
Thank you for the video!
About charging a rest times:
By AC charging standard, max current is 63A or about 43kW. If the truck can draw 43kW with onboard AC charger, you would need only 63A socket to charge overnight. In 7 hours of rest it would put in 300kWh of charge.
And they would need to install 43kW AC socket every other parking space.
Trucks dont have onboard chargers only DC charging.
But youre right a 50kW charger at the parking space is enough over night.
Super report....
Drive electric trucks will be nice in the future....
👍😉
I just found your first video with your story, nice jobs.
I drive EV's for 12 years now.
My actual is from 2015 with original HV battery and engines, 430.000 km and 89% soh.
Have nice dayssss..
Eric second hand S70D
30kwh LFP, victron multiplus 3000/48, smart charger NS victron single phase 3kw , 8kwc solar panels
600 euros electricity bill per year, 45000 km a year on the road.
Thanks Tesla free SUC....45%\55% at home.
i was just watching the video you did talking how it looks like a tesla inside xD Way to prove my point here, ive had plenty of problems with the RADION in my MAN i cant imagine ALL of your controls dying because of qulaity software
A dream job
This version of the S-eWay are more of a prototype. They have launched and updatet version, with a complete different interior. My guess is that the new version have less of this rebooting issues f.ex.
that speedometer could do with some damping, the way it flckers between 81 and 80 is probably even more annoying when it's between 79 and 80
I have a Jeep Avenger and I think your Iveco shares the firmware update logic, like mine you won't see any change in version numbers after an update, you can only see them before and during the update.
I would have expected Amazon to have charging stations at their own facility.
electric cargo hauling still has a way to go before its usable outside of densely populated areas like europe.....i average between 600 and 800 miles a day......i've driven a couple of electric trucks, one little town delivery units and a chinese windrose etruck that looks like a knockoff tesla truck.....i was impressed with the power the chinese truck had
Yeah in Europe its "different" from where you live apparently. Time and speed limits the max range per day to way less than 800 miles here, at least for single-driver
this restarted system id the best. security wins
Legacy truck manufacturers still using Inefficient designs form there ICE variants to there EV variants. 😂
I deliver gas for a living and I drive a ford 150 lighting.
Awesome videos mate :) today I randomly found you and going through all the videos ! I am going through Germany a lot with my EV so next time I will keep a better eye on trucks I am passing over to see if it's not EV Truck :)
About your uphill driving. I'm not sure you're entirely correct, it sure depends on the car/engine/truck. But in general, ICE engine works with best efficiency when at full power - that does not mean max rpm. You can still be in the optimal RPM range, and use the full power at those RPM and in that regard use the ICE engine with best possible efficiency, that is especially true for the diesel engines.
With the electric motors, the efficiency does not change much with RPM, that's true. But driving uphill much faster, means running the the electric motor at higher power, higher amps, which in term means more thermal stress for the motor, cables and battery, introducing some additional heat losses for higher power used for heigher speeds uphil.
So to sum up... as you were explaning, the ICE engine would be more efficient uphill at full power, at the same time, electric motor would be less efficient at heigher power.
Efficiency of electric motors changes with RPM. You can't override physic laws.
Electric motor efficiency and RPM (Revolutions Per Minute) are closely related, but not directly interchangeable. Efficiency in electric motors refers to how effectively the motor converts electrical energy into mechanical energy. This efficiency depends on several factors, including the design of the motor, load conditions, and the operating RPM.
### Key Points on Electric Motor Efficiency and RPM:
1. **Motor Efficiency Curve**:
- Most electric motors have an efficiency curve that shows how efficiently they operate at different loads and speeds (RPM). Efficiency is usually highest at a certain range of RPM, typically around the motor's rated speed.
- If the motor is operating at too low or too high a speed compared to its rated RPM, efficiency can drop due to factors like increased losses in the windings and the core or excessive mechanical friction.
2. **Load vs. RPM**:
- **Full Load**: At or near full load, motors typically operate at their highest efficiency. If the load is reduced, efficiency may decrease.
- **Low RPM**: When the motor runs at lower RPM, the losses in the motor (such as copper losses and core losses) can become more significant, reducing overall efficiency.
- **High RPM**: Operating at higher RPM can lead to increased mechanical losses, like friction and windage losses, which also negatively impact efficiency.
3. **Efficiency vs. Power Output**:
- As RPM increases, the power output of the motor also increases, but at a certain point, the motor's ability to maintain efficiency diminishes due to increased losses.
- The motor’s design (e.g., permanent magnet, induction, or synchronous) will affect how it handles varying RPMs, with some types being more efficient at different speed ranges.
### Summary:
Electric motor efficiency varies with RPM and is typically optimized at a certain operating speed. Too low or too high RPM can reduce efficiency due to higher losses. Therefore, it's important to match the motor's RPM to its designed operating range for maximum efficiency.
@@simsnqta all you wrote is completly true, but also completly out of context for this particular case.
If this truck electric motor drives the whole 40t of a vehicle uphill at 60km/h or 90km/h... it both cases it will still be well within normal AND most efficient operating RPM range, thus, the efficiency of the electric motor itself at either 60km/h or 90km/h won't really be the major factor in overall consumption. Everything else, from drag, mechanical friction and most of all increased currents in the installation AND battery will be the much more important contributors to higher consumpton than the electric motor itself.
So, despite a much smaller increase of consumpton (compared to diesel truck), driving uphill at 90km/h will still be less efficient than driving uphill at 60km/h, with the electric truck.
Getting the best efficiency out of diesel truck is a different recipe, keeping it at best RPM and at full load, usuall means best efficiency, where the charge pressures and fuel burn is at its best.
My point was... Driving the diesel engine at 20% load is way less efficient tha driving electric motor at 20% load. Electric motors efficiency doesn't vairy as much as the diesel engine efficency depending on the load.
Not true at all. Electric motors use way more amps when going slow, and progressively decreases with speed
Videos are awesome. It’s really interesting. Just wondering what the costs are like compared to a diesel truck of the same type. I could imagine that a lot of public charging is expensive.
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The system needs much improvement. I think electric over diesel can help transition like (edison motors) channel
interesting content! Are these videos also published in the original German somewhere?
www.youtube.com/@elektrotrucker
Forcing you to rush while working around the timer isba recipe for disaster.
I have asked a couple drivers to move move kindly, so that i can get double the charging speed, the other charger had 50kw and he was at 40kw charging speed, he understood me and moved
It would be really useful if the on-board computer could calculate the km-per-percent and display it as a graph.
I'm Hooked ! Maybe I should sell my Cube Bosch e-bike ..? Nahr ..
How viable would it be to have specialised trailers for these electric tractor units, that have a solar panel on the roof? Surely a panel that size (20m2+) could generate enough to extend journeys?? (Albeit during the day only)
As you can see, the truck's battery is about 600kWh and it lasts less than a day. The trailer roof is maybe 30 square meters. 1 square meter of solar panel, when positioned carefully, will produce over 1000 kWh yearly. So let's say 500 kWh yearly maximum in this use case. That multiplied by 30 gives 15 MWh. That would cover about 5% of consumption. So - not a lot. You still need to charge 95% of what you did without the solar panels.
@ thanks for doing the math, deffo not worth it then. Shame.
I saw the speedometer switching like mad between 87/88. Isn’t that irritating?
I wonder how safe these trucks are in accidents (for all concerned) in comparison with their diesel powered counterparts?
how much does it cost to charge it at them stations compared to a tank of diesel?
watching your wheel inputs through most of this... seemed you have a rightward drift.
Of course the current is going to be prepaid for reserved sports. If you use less, maybe they'll give you some back. Let's say you have to pre pay all calculated reservations for next month, including the current, now that's some negative working capital for the charging stations operators..
9:04 don’t record your self doing that
Not a truck driver. He is only into electric vehicles. He also thinks one pedal driving is a good idea.
It’s running a digital taco so he’s over 3.5ton working. He’s lorry diver with a C+E licence.
Nothing wrong with one foot driving. It uses engine breaking to slow you down nothing different than a retarder. I try and do one foot driving in the DAFs, Volvo, Scania, Mercedes, Man’s I drive slowing down to the lights conserving fuel ⛽️.(*edit* and brakes)
Going down hill you will need to use the air breaks as well I’m sure definitely when carrying a max loud to stop the electric motor over heating
Are you a crash box American 18 speed Arctic Driver or someone on a little pick up they call a truck 🛻?
@@arthur1670 have you used one pedal driving in a tesla to see how is working?
2024 and the truck doesn’t have decent nav software???
Nikola Motor 2.0 😂😂😂
was it me or was that steering left hand down on a straight
That IVECO is so full of bugs. 😞
Which eTruck is your favorite? All things considered I mean
Some very poor decisions from Iveco. The hill start assist is like our Volvo’s. Let’s go after a few seconds. RUBBISH!!! The regen breaking issues seems very odd too. The fast no regen is used under foot peddle braking.
Great watch though. Loving your content so so much. I just need to get working for a company here in the UK who can supply me with an electric truck.
Since brake pads and discs need to be 100% efficient at 100% of the time so that they can provide 100% of stopping power in an event of emergency, not using friction brakes at all and always relying on regen braking could be considered a safety issue, as the pads/discs don't get cleaned as often or at all. Seems that Iveco understands this better than an average TH-cam viewer.
But surely as EV drivers we understand this can be an issue. At least one a week I make sure I use the brakes properly to wear off any surface rust. A blend of the regen and brakes is a better system rather than just 100% brake pads. I’ve owned electric cars for over 11 years now so I’m aware of all the braking systems and maintenance needed.
I’m really enjoying your channel by the way. 👍👍
Could bring a cone to block the other charger
What's your take on Edison Motors?
DO your research, invest in Tesla.
@lucadellasciucca967 fat chance
1 liter fuel is like 10kW
There is a technical reason for the slow charging...sh*tty Alpitronic chargers. They must be cheap, otherwise I don't understand why more and more CPO's are installing these chargers.
I hope they go bust soon and CPO's will switch over to Kempower.
😂
Thinking forward, in 30 years or so when more trucks will be electric, just imaginebthe size of charging parks and how often they will have to be placed. 😮
Well, if things go as planned, in that time there will not be MORE electric trucks, but there will ONLY be electric trucks. ;-)
Almost certainly, in 30yrs electric trucks will have the same range and refueling times of today's diesel truck. So, infrastructure will be no different from how it is right now for gas stations
It will be almost as many as gas stations.
None of that. In 30 years there will only be autonomous trucks. The charging will happen at the pick up and drop off locations. Very few mid route stations will be needed, especially since the routes are known and charging locations can be stratigically placed.
Surely that truck shouldn't be allowed to be on the road if it keeps rebooting and not showing *anything* on the dashboard?
Some early models like this are still very buggy!
He said the critical drive function like speed indicator still showed. It would be no different at that point than an old school vehicle without a modern dashboard that only shows basic telemetry.
Also the reason for the update.
So when you’re resting you’re technically working by charging and moving the vehicle? Isn’t that all kinds of breaching EU driving regulations?
If motorways had overhead lines that trucks could use for power and charging similar to trams it would be a game changer!
There's a test road with this setup near his company's headquarters that he will present in a later video. (It's already available on his German channel)
Oh.. forgot to add that they want surcharges starting from dec 2025 for situations when there isn't enough energy in the system to up to 68000 euros / MW. if you would apply it to the current situation, instead of 2800/MW it would cost 21000/MW. Yes 21k you read that right! Good job Europe!
Oh, btw, almost 2800euros for next day MW reservation! Let that sink in! Do you think this is feasible for the charging park operators to sell you the kW 2-4 orders of magnitude lower than they buy?
Seems the Iveco has shitty software and is fairly thirsty. Not optimal. Extreme vampire drain.
It will be interesting to see how the tech develops, but this is far from convincing. Where's the cost comparison and more importantly, what's the source of the power supplied by the charging stations? You're having to deal with an ever increasing amount of Amazon drivers hogging the charging stations, sapping even more of the time being lost vs a quick refuel. Even if the cost was on a par, the time taken to recharge, the risk of chargers being out of use or incompatible, and the seemingly random charging rates are all major issues that absolutely must be overcome.
Soooo it is all about the charging infrastructure. and it seems bad. Why can Tesla do it for EV's and others not? Hope they soon update their stations for trucks.
Tesla were smart. They knew that their real profits come from being an energy provider, not making the cars. Millions of EVs including non Teslas means fat cash for doing little other than putting a charger in.
@@colinwiseman Yeah that was a smart business move and good for EV's at the same time.
In Europe Teslas chargers use CCS2 and are available for all EVs to use.
DO your research, invest in Tesla!
@@logitech4873 But available for trucks?
To preface, I think EV trucks are the stupidest thing I've ever seen! But my god, your channel is a wonderful example of why I think that! Bravo for showing to the world the stupidity of such a non solution to a non problem! Funniest show this morning! You got my sub and thumbs up!
Please remove spoilers from the start.... I don't enjoy it.
would like to see a electric truck pull a MC load 1500klm across Australia in 1 day. A round trip from Newcastle NSW to Brisbane QLD is just over 1500klm & can be done in 1 shift.
But trucks are impossible to electrify, it s vapor ware, it s never going to happen, it s against phisics.
P.S. Do your research, invest in Tesla.
Very strange seing the comments, seems that people only like positive and non confronting coments or common sensed, this is only viable let me put this ( AT THE MOMENT) is not viable or even cost effective if you have to stop at least once a day to drop your trailer, charge, couple in then drive again, its actually ridiculous to think that people are ok with that and like you also said ( In this Industry time is money) so now I ask you, can you calculate how much time you waste a day from the moment you stop, drop the trailer, go and charge and hopefully you find a charger that actually charges, couple up then move on, I guarantee you that minimum 1 hour wasted every day, and for some that say that you have to take 45min break anyway, well most time you can do that anywhere and also you can do it while you're on a bay loading or unloading as long you're not doing it wich most European countries that's how it is these days, so this is mental how so many agree that this is the future)
Also let me tell you, what the other trucker said about you moving quick and then press the rest button, let me tell you that by law is illegal and the new tachos do register the movement and can also be downloaded let's say if the police or any other legal agency is behind your truck it can actually download thr information and for that you'll get a fine, but hey you do it, most do, I done it until recently that I found out about it so just be careful with that.
This is a very good idea if there's incentives and the driver does a route of day where he uses let's say 70/80% battery and that comes back to the depo/warehouse to charge every day/night, but for 90% of the industry is ridiculous trying to say this is brilliant, ask any big trucking business owner and he will tell you that, most run flat out, driving 9hours/600 or more km a day, other swap drivers like my place so the truck can be working 20plus hours straight, still only fuel up every 4 to 5 days and it takes 10 to 20 minutes depending the pump, so no this makes no sense unless it's the main depo deliveries that you don't need to waste your work tome planing a route that involves 2 charging points, that makes no sense as most of us already have the day full to worry about let alone dropping the trailer 2 times a day to charge.
This is my view, 10 years in the industry.
Then it is a bug in the tacho and it should be fixed. Either way laws need to change.
One pedal driving is a stupid idea especially for a truck.
What leads you to this conclusion?
@jensdanner7959 my own experience of over 22 years in driving deferent type of trucks in Europe.
1:40 what in the world is going on. you are taping yourself talking, yet you are narrating yourself... im out.
While I do appreciate environmental benefits of electic vehicles, what you show us in your videos clearly demonstrates charging infrastructure just isn't there yet and we are all better off sticking with traditional engines. Thank you for taking the time to share this insight. I was seriously considering replacing my 13 year old gasoline car, but your vidoes (and German government removing electric car subsidies) convinced me electic cars simply don't make sense yet. In my current gas Honda I simply never have to plan anything. When tank gets to 1/4 or 1/8 I pull up to the next gas station and move on 4 minutes later. With electic charges being so few and far between (and taking long time to boot) it makes no sense for me to make the switch. Not to mention the cost of a new EV. I would take the jump if cost of entry were lower (since I do have a garage and so can easily charge at home - at least for day to day driving). But up front cost just absolutely destroys the rationale of making the switch and other inconveniences only make the whole proposition that much more undesirable.
This is where the Hybrids are good... the jump to full EV is quite a miss.
@@wobblysauce Hybrid is the worst of both worlds.
EV just got much cheaper. The priced for batteries dropped 50% in 2024. And these professionals can calculate. It is not about the price for the truck alone, the overall costs are much cheaper in the end and so they can offer cheaper transportation which will make a difference in the market. Don't compare your privat experience with professional calculations where every cent counts. Holcim just bought 1000 eActros from Mercedes. The company of the Electrotrucker ordered more than 20 eTrucks. Btw: The European truck manufacturers just got together to build charging stations for trucks all over Europe.
For cars you find a charging station anyway. 2024 alone more than 30.000 Charging points where build. I don't see a problem with convenience. Modern EVs can drive 400-700km anyway - if they are not build for the city.
@@sonyphotoguy6601 And the best of both worlds, depending on what you are doing.
That makes no sense. Charging is the easier problem to solve by far.
Do your research, invest in Tesla.
As a former EV owner - you're now in the learning curve. At some point you'll figure out all this lost time for guessing where to charge and wait is not worth it and will go to diesel.
I bought my first diesel after owning my first EV for 4 years. Good luck.
You seem to be lacking critical information
He develops his own App for charging points. These guys are professionals. They now where they can charge and we get more and more charging points everywhere. In the future you can also charge when loading/unloading as well.
What EV did you own, and where?
@@logitech4873
None ever I guess 😂
hum i smell a big oil misinformation post. Exxon sock puppet has entered the chat. boring - go somewhere else and give children asthma with your particulates
iveco shit hah
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