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This video is an interesting idea. I too have had a fascination for the titanic for the longest time, even before a certain movie. I once had a very old collection of music that was a re-creation of what passengers would have heard in their dining halls for instance based on what class they were. As we do have records of what music was to be played on what days etc. Music to some degree like food is a window into people and their lives and it’s all very fascinating to me.
The phenomenon of feeling euphoria after a disaster is a very real thing. My sister-in-law and I were in a golf cart accident over 40 years ago (we used it for running around town). We were coming down a hill and around a corner when our back right tire hit a large drain hole and the golf cart flipped. It landed upsidedown on a rock on my left ankle, and trapped my sister-in-law underneath it. I was able to rock it off of us before the ambulance got there, and so unpin my sister-in-law. But I was unable to get up because my ankle had been injured (though fortunately not broken). Despite the fact that her back had sustained chemical burns from the battery acid her shirt had been soaked with, and my Achilles heel was injured so badly it took 6 months to heal properly, we were giddy and giggly, and spent the whole time in the ER cutting up and making jokes, and just generally acting silly. We were DEFINITELY feeling the results of the adrenaline let down from the accident as a type of euphoria. The nurse said that wasn't unusual, that it was a toss up as to how people will react in a situation like that, and euphoria is one of the possibilities.
My gosh, that lady’s comment to the young man to lie down and she’d hide him so he could live made me tear up. I know a lot of people died needlessly that day, but being kind while in the face of panic and possible death isn’t as easy as people think. Brovo to her
It really resonated with me too. Especially since the class difference between them likely was vast, yet in that moment that lady expressed the truth that we are all human and deserving of life.
I immediately teared up, skipped back to rewatch it, and then just paused the video. Wow, it’s so impactful on so many levels. “You’re someone’s child.” Gives me chills. Bless that woman.
I'm EMS and while I love that story it does not surprise me. We see stuff like this all the time. During 911 many people were saved because of everyday people. With what is going on in Ukraine we are seeing stories of common folks and what they are doing. To me they are all heroes. I am not a hero, just a man who enjoys the job he has done for over 30 years. I think one of my biggest hero is the 12 year old whop was doing CPR on her mother. Stop for a second and think about your 12 year old self having to do CPR on your mother. We saved that lady, there was no way we were going to give up. We rolled into the ER and she had a heart beat. That 12 year old saved her mother, just like that lady here saved that young man. You all can be heroes.
This reminded me of when my friend and I did the Titanic for our history days project in 8th grade. The judge asked us what "RMS" stood for, and after a panicked look at each other, our answer was "Really Massive Ship".
@@jannekaijansinkko8067 😂 there are some who believe that, though they’d also have to believe that someone replaced a number on every single piece of metal in the Olympic with the number that’s specific to the Titanic.
"Lay down, lad. You are somebody's child." That realization, that mindset that woman had is the core of true empathy and brought me to tears. The word "hero" gets thrown around way too much imo but SHE is a true hero. Look at everyone you see and remember they were somebody's baby.
@@martasorangeberry Think of the context. I think people were probably shouting "Women and children first!" and telling men to get out. She was giving him a reason not to listen to that and save his own life - that he was somebody's child.
@@martasorangeberry They were only letting women and children go first. That is what she meant by saying he was somebodies child. It was because only women and children were allowed to leave. She was not thinking of his mom, she was twisting the rules to still say he qualified to be on that boat. She is a hero because she thought of a way to save his life. Those in charge were not letting more people on. She showed the survivors on the boats were willing to take on more passengers so the crew were to blame for the limited people on the life boats. A hero does not have to sacrifice their own life or have their own life in jeopardy to be a hero, they just have to set themselves apart by helping somebody in a life and death situation when nobody else will. The status que has people not helping in what is called the bystander effect. Anybody willing to be an active helper instead of just sitting by and watching like everybody else, is morally strong and a hero for helping. You ever hear of Kitty Genoese in NYC? People heard her murdered in an ordeal which took a long time and did not help her. That is why many first responders are hero's, like police, firemen, and EMT's. They are the one's who are willing to risk their lives to help others and yet get insulted today by buffoons. You narcissist type people don't even call them hero's when they do risk their lives and they do die saving people. Does that hurt your head? Because you think somebody has to have died in order to save you for them to be called a hero, and they have to meet your own particular bizarre qualifications and meet your approval to earn that title? You need to pull your head out of a morbid narcissistic fantasyland.
@@martasorangeberry Remember that this was in the past. Don’t apply your current morals to the people in the past. The thing is, she helped saved him. If not for what she did, he would’ve gotten off and drowned with the rest. What’s wrong with using her position as the privileged woman (assuming she really is not just another 3rd class passenger). If you’re in a position to save anyone, why not use it? No matter the reason, whether it be for likes, thumbs up, views, money, that does not changed the fact that you saved someone. Does police, fireman, etc saving people not good enough cause they are paid? Do they have to save people on their day off for us to call them heroes? You should also remember that the way people talk in those time period is different. That phrase imo might be a glimpse of her reason for saving her. Assuming she’s also middle-elderly aged woman, she knows that his mother would be devastated if he too will perish. She’s saving two souls instead of one. Idk why are you so critical of everything. Why inject unwanted bad ideas in a good scenario? I would’ve agreed with this over analyzing if it serves some purpose and there are reasons to doubt but there was none based on the story we’ve been told. Are we gonna dig her up and persecute her for the word she said to the man and not just be glad that she actually saved a man? You’re no longer analyzing you’re just making up story that isn’t there. Instead of taking the story as it is (cause why shouldn’t you?), you rather sow malicious thoughts that serves no purpose.
Thanks for this series. My grandfather’s 2nd cousin was in third class on the Titanic and did not survive. Luckily his wife and two children got a place in a lifeboat. Usually the movies and other accounts focus on first class. Thank you for remembering the everyday folks and bringing them and their food to life for the rest of us.
I dated a guy once whose great grandfather (maybe another great? Can't remember!) was a 1st class steward. His widow was given a payout and 2nd class passage anywhere in the world on a White Star liner, which is how his family came to Canada.
@@patriciamorgan6545 thank you. They were emigrating from England to the US. The widow and children went back to England. Our cousin’s name was Bertram Dean. Fortunately his story has been kept alive by historians as well as by family. My father, who was born in 1919, was named for him as well.
I can only assume Bertha was still in shock from the disaster and also filled with euphoria at having been rescued. Sometimes people will walk out of a disaster laughing and giddy, coming down from adrenaline.
Thank you. I was looking for this comment. Her reaction, while seemingly inappropriate, is not unusual. Some people experience particularly intense adrenaline highs.
Yes, adrenaline is the correct word for what she was feeling. Its the euphoria when something so different than what you're used to is happening that it is exciting just for its bizarreness or danger.
That account of a mother comforting her child, playing the piano as the ship goes down and water rushes in, brought a tear to my eye. It's so sad, and so human.
@@cmm6016 They were warned in enough time, but the issue was how they were warned. They were just woken up and shouted at. Not really told what was going on. And a big reason for a lot of third class passengers dieing was just not knowing their way around the ship to get out. There was actually a door that cut through first class, leading them right to the deck, but noone knew it.
That anecdote about the mother singing to her small child absolutely guts me. The scene from the movie Titanic where the mother is telling her children a story as she tucks them in is probably the most heartbreaking moment in the whole film. It hurts doubly more now that I'm a parent myself.
That movie was very historically inaccurate. Including the fact that steerage passengers were forcibly kept separate due to the British class system. In actual fact it was required by US quarantine laws. In ships from the US to Britain all classes shared outdoor space. Yes the British were class conscious. But they did know how to behave to each other appropriately. For the record I don't live in either the US or Britain.
"Lay down, lad, you are somebody's child" just a stab in the heart with that one. The absolute unconditional love that woman showed him by virtue of nothing but sharing the same place. We should all dream to be so kind and compassionate to one another.
@@peterfile2185 - I'll assume you're making an unfunny joke. His name was Daniel Buckley and he was 21 when Titanic sank, he died during the 1st World War. In fact many of the few young men who survived Titanic, and Lusitania, probably died in the 1st World War.
@@disgruntledcommenter-o4h - That's the dumbest interpretation of this phrase ever. The comment is literally a way of acknowledging that somebody values and cares for you, that your life shouldn't be forfeit because nobody else can see your worth. Do you expect her to launch into a soliloquy about the value of the life of a complete stranger in the 10 - 15 seconds that they probably had to hide him?
I totally got teary when you shared the story of the 3rd class young man who was hidden under a rug on the lifeboat by a woman, because he was someone's son. I hope he always kept that woman in his thoughts and prayers the rest of his life.
One of the quotes you include comes from my great great great grandmother, a third class passenger who was coming to America to help raise her grandchildren (including my great grandfather) after her daughters husband died. She sunk along with the ship, but years later on an expedition to the wreck they discovered her purse with her original ticket still intact. I’m so excited for the rest of this series, thinking of the last meal that people ate is incredibly haunting but a topic that’s absolutely worth exploring!
@@owellafehr5191 Marian Meanwell! I actually had never heard about the quote that was used by max in this video, presumably it’s from a letter she wrote before boarding. I’d love to know his source for that quote so that I can find more out about her!
I saw that Daniel Buckley was listed as being alive from 1890-1918, so I had to look him up. I found that he was killed in France about a month before the end of World War I trying to retrieve his wounded comrades from the battlefield. He left Europe for a better life in 1912 and ended up returning 6 years later only to be killed in Europe.
I can just imagine him repeating those words the lady told him before hiding him in that rug to those comrades he saved. "Easy, lad. You're somebody's child." 😭🙏
"Lay down, Lad, you are somebody's child." This brought tears to my eyes. He was recounting this is a letter to his mother. He was indeed somebody's child. Although it says he died only a few years later in 1918, at the young age if 28. Perhaps as a solider in WW1? Imagine surviving the sinking of the Titanic, and still dying only a few years later...
I'm saddened to see that I was right... "Daniel Buckley met his end on 17 October 1918 during the Argonne Campaign-shot by a sniper whilst helping to evacuate the wounded at the Meause-Argonne front. Although initially buried in France, his body was later repatriated to Ireland and he was buried in Kingswilliamtown Cemetery."
There's a reason why that generation was called the Lost Generation. Imagine a war so horrible as the First World War and then that leading directly into the Spanish Flu, both of which disproportionately kill the young. And then, that crossing over into encephalitis lethargica. And then, half a decade after that, the Great Depression.
I noticed that too, like how did he die so soon after? and went to Google and found the same thing you did. I wonder how many Titanic survivors died in World War 1. I'm sure it's only a google search away, but alas i have used up my daily search
@@DuckReconMajor many young men who left Europe, Ireland and Britain for America found themselves back over in France only a few later fighting and sadly mostly dying on the western front.
"You are someone's child", just broke my heart. The Titanic, like many other very preventable tragedies always gets me but thank you for always bringing so much to the topics you cover!
It might not have actually been all that preventable. It's been shown that, in Titanic's position, at that particular time, under those particular weather and water conditions, a rare kind of mirage may have completely hidden the iceberg until they were nearly upon it. The phenomena has been documented since, and while fishermen in Halifax might have been aware, commercial lines at the time were not. If you're interested, Smithsonian Magazine has an article on it, or you can google images under "titanic sinking mirage" and you'll see.
While the Titanic was a preventable tragedy, the safety measures taken after it sinking saved far more lives in the long term than just by preventing the tragedy itself.
@@andregon4366 If you're interested here's another source recently posted - a 25 mn interview with a fellow who can reference all the documents th-cam.com/video/P0bCi_tqvoE/w-d-xo.html
The, "Lay down lad, you are someone's child." has me BAWLING and I can not stop. That woman simply laying a blanket over another human to save his life is certainly in the Pantheon of Heroes. Rest In Power unknown lady.
The world's gotten so cold that words like those just aren't spoken when they matter. People claim to be good and caring, but when put to the test you can see so many of those claims fall straight through. I hope one day people realize that likes and parroting doesn't make for a good or nice person. The current culture just breeds shallowness and insincerity.
@@Ray-Of-Sunshine I also hope that one day people realize that being kind doesn't just mean being kind to a small handful of people only. I've seen too many treat their friends like garbage. :(
@@Ray-Of-Sunshine I think a lot of people realize this. There's hope for humanity if people like us care. Do what you can to help your fellow human. I will do the same. Peace be with you, stranger.
@@Ray-Of-Sunshine I mean, obviously that time was shallow as well considering the young man wasn't considered good enough to get on the lifeboat. There are still good people out there that would react similarly today if put in the same situation as that woman, I believe.
Little fun fact: the Titanic is an Ocean Liner, Ocean liners and cruise ships have different purposes, Ocean liners are like busses, they get you from point A to point B. Cruise ships are like hotels on the water. There is one Ocean Liner left today, the Queen Mary 2, it takes the same route as Titanic, across the Atlantic from Ireland to New York. Planes are the new version of Ocean Liners, which is why Ocean liners aren't as common today
I and my (at the time) fiancé did the transatlantic crossing from Southampton to New York on the Queen Mary 2. I'll take traveling the north Atlantic by ocean liner over a cruise ship any day.
I have been on a cruise ship and I found the experience dreadful. I remember telling a friend afterwards that it was easier to get a drink and a cigarette in boarding school.
@@grannyannie2948My husband and I went on a cruise with our daughter and her husband. I absolutely hated it. I felt so claustrophobic, and the entertainment wasn’t that great. The best time was sitting in the bar at night listening to the karaoke. There were a lot of southerners and the guys loved to sing! They were very entertaining.
@@marilyn6556 Sounds like my experience. I couldn't sleep, I couldn't relax, my best day was when everyone disembarked to tour islands and I had the ship to myself for a while.
I am constantly amazed by how consistently you post, yet they’re ALL good videos. I’ve loved your channel since the first few weeks you started, and you’ve only gotten better and better at making these. Your enthusiasm for history is infectious!
It seems kind of horrifying that ship passengers were once expected to bring their own food. What if the ship was delayed at sea? What if their supplies were stolen? So much could go wrong…I’d be guarding my food like it was the Hope Diamond.
@@TastingHistory I think a lot of the people on passenger ships at the time where thieves . the crew who worked down in the engine room apparently liked the new ship better than the other older ships they had worked on. before Covid 19 struck I brought a book about what it was like to work on a steam ship like Titanic.
@@eliotreader8220 “a lot” of people on passenger ship at the time were thieves.” Cite your sources, or it’s just your opinion, and in really bad taste.
For naval officers, it was customary for them, perhaps some of the warrant officers, and midshipmen to bring some personal provisions aboard (amounts depending on station, personal means, size of the ship, etc). And pilfering was not unheard of. But for the Royal Navy in the 18th, crew stealing provisions could be courting a death sentence through flogging, or "only" walking the gauntlet... less than fun for the poor bastard.
@@jellojenna6 he joined The Army to fight for America when America joined WW1. He was on the first boat back to Europe, he earned a Purple Heart, wrote to my Great Grandmother Albina consistency and died a week or two before the war ended helping clear wounded soldiers off the battlefield. He was hit by a sniper.
My great grandmother was supposed to be on the titanic. She was coming to America from Ireland to become a maid for a wealthy family. The man who was sending for her to come over heard the ship was constructed poorly and had her wait and not get on the ship. I am so thankful she did not and made it home.
My great grandma Verena was booked in for the maiden voyage to go to Ireland but had to cancel as she found out she was pregnant with my Nannan Ethel and would have been too far on in her pregnancy at the time of the Voyage. Mad to think she narrowly missed being a part of the timeline of such a horrific event. They had quite a bit of money at the time, we have some beautiful studio portraits of my great grandma and my nannan in about 1914 and judging by their clothes they might have been traveling 2nd class (my Auntie has more details). My great grandma was a hat designer/milliner in Sheffield till she married and my great grandad Alfred had a good job and came from a middle class family.
@@RuthLockwoodre you directly connected to that pregnancy? I mean is your grandma or father the result of pregnancy and then your father or mother and then you. Congo you got saved too
Between "lay down, lad" and the lady at the piano with her child, I got really choked up. My baby is just shy of 2 years old... I can't imagine, I have no words for what the people must have felt in their last moments that night. Especially the ones with kids who couldn't get out in time. They really aren't kidding when they say becoming a parent changes you. My heart aches for those families.
I thought this was going to be pretty straightforward - recipe, then cooking, then eating. I love the actual historical information in this video. Bloody brilliant. You've earned a sub from me.
i watched the 2nd class video first, subbed, then watched this one. will be tuning in from now on, i definitely thought it was just the recipe/cooking too!
Thanks for making this. My 3rd cousin Florence Thorneycroft survived the sinking, unfortunately her husband Percival did not. They were 3rd class passengers and to think they must have ate a similar meal to that you just made has just brought home the tragedy of that night.. Thankyou!
The third class dinner menu sounds rather nice. If you served it to me, I would happily devour all of it and ask for seconds. There's nothing wrong with good simple food.
There was beyond nothing wrong with the menu. This was an age where, many in poverty and working poor people simply ate what was available and affordable for them with little ability to factor taste or presentation. Many poor children starved to death and those unfortunate enough to have to go into a work house while under age 8 had less than a 10 percent chance of surviving the year. Those under 2 almost always died of disease within 6 months. Coming from that, this is opulence
@@evil1by1 I would be happy to receive it today. Hell, I'd pay money for it at a restaurant. If I was scraping by on garbage and scraps, I can't imagine how luxurious it would feel to have a hot roast beef dinner with all the fixings.
My great great grandparents were 3rd class passengers on the Oceanic, another White Star Line ship, in November of 1912, on the same route as the Titanic. I imagine their food was somewhat similar. I can’t imagine going on that same journey just a few months after the sinking of the Titanic though, I’d be terrified.
@@purplealice According to Wikipedia, the Titanic didn't have a separate steerage class; any references to "steerage" would just mean third class (and the Oceanic was a sister ship). As this video shows, third class seems to have been relatively basic, but decent plain accommodation. This was a twentieth century steamship and the pride of its line, not some 19th century sailing hulk with passengers stuffed in the bilges.
@Shakenstein And why would you say that? History really happened, you know. Hundrends of thousands of Europeans went to America during those times. I have multiple historical documents about my ancestor’s journey.
Two observations: 1) you know you are in for a treat when Max is so excited he is doing a whole month plus bonus episodes, I cannot wait for the next episode!!! and 2) from about a minute in when you get a glimpse of 'cabin biscuits' on the menu my spidey-senses were tingling and I was just waiting for that hardtack clip, haha! honestly this channel is one of the best things on youtube, I can't get enough of it. thanks for being super duper
Two thoughts: Having read many books about immigration to America in times close to Titanic I had always assumed that the third class passengers brought and prepared their own food as other passages had demanded of the third class. And another is that my grandmother made what she called rice gruel, which except for spicing, was nearly identical to your soup for me when I was sick or just feeling glum. She was born almost exactly two years after the sinking. I hadn't really remembered it since she's been gone 35 years, so thank you for that.
If you want to find out more about the titanic look up "Titanic Honor and Glory". They both have a TH-cam channel with Info videos and are also recreating the entire ship as a video game that is free to download. It is absolutely stunning when you walk down Scotland Road, peak into the third class staircase, or go to the turkish bath - all for free.
My dear Irish grandmother, we called her Nana was born in 1906. She made us a marvellous bread pudding. I don't think she ever prepared the rice dish, which is fortunate, because whatever she prepared on top of the stove she inevitably burned. She was a very active buisness woman and her idea of cooking was to put a pot on a high heat and mostly abandon it to it's fate. We went to eat at someone's house and they prepared pot roast (one of Nana's most frequent dinners) and we asked our mother why it was brown instead of black. We were hurriedly hushed. 🤣. ah memories.
Here's a bit of Titanic trivia for the day. The first telegraphed distress call from the Titanic is believed to have been received in Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. The message was lost for many years but was eventually found stuffed in a wall as makeshift insulation. It's now on display in the Graveyard of the Atlantic Museum.
I'll add to that: When Captain Smith first ordered the sending out of distress signals, the telegraph operators used "CQD," the distress message that'd been standard for years. After several attempts without response, one of the men suggested using the new message, "SOS." Titanic was the first ship to use the new "SOS" distress message in history.
@@sarahgilliss3503 It might be the first, but it's also possible that the SS Slavonia, which was wrecked in 1909, sent out an SOS message. (Everyone on that ship survived, for the record.)
@@sarahgilliss3503 And another bit of trivia (although not trivial at all to radio people): I saw in one movie where the Captain said that CQD meant "come quickly, distress." It doesn't. Also widely misunderstood is that SOS stands for "save our ship" or "save our souls." It doesn't. Long Story, without getting too technical or pedantic, from an Old Guy who learned Morse way back in the Cub Scouts: CQ is probably the most common code in radio. CQ means "calling anyone who can hear me." Sort of like "Breaker, breaker" in those old truck movies from the '70s. CQ CQ CQ DX for example would mean "calling anyone distant who can hear me." Usually a call begins with CQ CQ CQ de (sender's name code). There's the problem with using CQD as a call for help. For Titanic, a normal call would have been: CQ CQ CQ de MGY MGY. The very common call "CQ de..." has the same three letters - CQ D - in the same order as the distress signal. In Morse, it doesn't really stand out enough from normal radio traffic. So, SOS was proposed. And it's not three distinct letters, like "S, O, S" or "dit-dit-dit (comma) dah-dah-dah (comma) dit-dit-dit." The SOS distress signal is all run together: dit-dit-dit-dah-dah-dah-dit-dit-dit. That does not mean "Save Our Souls" or whatever. The reason SOS was adopted is that the sound of it run together like that, in Morse, is completely unlike any other sound in Morse. It really stands out from routine radio chatter. "Save Our Ship/Souls" was probably just a memory aid for the new code. For voice radio now that nobody uses Morse anymore, "m'aidez," French for "(you) Help Me" - now Anglicized as Mayday - is the equivalent of SOS.
I can totally understand Bertha's reaction. From my own near-death experience, I can say that there's the initial adrenaline, sure, but even in the days to follow there is the sheer elation at being alive. I think it's amplified if you've acquitted yourself honorably in the situation.
In december you should do an 'Agatha Christie Christmas' month. In her autobiography (that everyone should read because it's the best thing she ever wrote!) she describes the Christmas dinners as a child with her extended family. Talk about a lot of food! A roast turkey AND a boiled one, other meat dishes, a fish dish, vegetables, etc., etc... She 'recreated' those dinners in her Poirot story 'Adventure of the Christmas Pudding' just because, as she said, she had so loved those childhood dinners from a time when people had large houses run by servants and dinner parties the like we will never see again.
Loved seeing this. My 4th great Uncle was on Titanic and survived. He was a first class passenger and helped save lives. The horror those people felt is unimaginable. Thank you for your research and recreations and stories.
That hard tack joke never gets old. Love this series on the Titanic, and especially I love seeing tea menus! My friend and I have tea about once a month complete with scones, savory sandwiches and tiny sweet cakes and I'm always looking for new ideas.
I'm from Finland, a place of about 5.5 million and to discover that one of the only four languages that were used to print out the menu's was Finnish is somewhat surprising, but then again we had a lot of people leaving to USA at that time to chase their dreams so it makes sense! All together 63 Finnish people were on board of Titanic on that fateful night, which of probably only a few knew English, at least well enough.
Dude I was obsessed with the titanic when I was in elementary school. At that point they had just discovered the Titanic on the ocean floor and there was tons of buzz about it. I’m still fascinated by the history, the culture, and the lifestyles of people of the past. Thanks again for your hard work :)
lol same. i actually remember accidentally ordering a documentary or something off netflix when it had the weird queue feature. my mother wasn’t too happy about it but happy little accident for me as bob ross would put it lol
I was obsessed for years, partially because my birthday is April 14th, the night the Titanic hit the iceberg. We did a big unit on the Titanic in school for the hundredth anniversary of the sinking and it fell on my twelfth birthday which was exiting for me. I also had a massive crush on Kate Winslet at the time so that was another reason lol.
It’s so sad thinking of how all of those people just wanted a better life. This is probably the most intriguing tragedy in my opinion, but so incredibly heartbreaking. Thank you for all of this information and for this series. It’s incredibly satiating
Intriguing how even in a humbling experience like a sink sinking in freezing water, people are still selfish and heartless worrying about social status and not human life.
I can imagine Bertha was high on adrenaline after experiencing such a trauma. But then I can also imagine that the sight of such a ship, 45° in the air before breaking in half and sinking WOULD be quite the memory for anyone, but especially if the most exciting thing you might have seen your whole life at that point was a coin trick from a visiting magician lol. Very excited for this month! Titanic is one of my pet historical events and I always love learning more about it!
There was also some first-class passengers that took photos of them and the other persons on their lifeboat, not really seeming to realized how innapropriate it was among all the mourning people on the boat (as many women had lost their husbands ^^').
@@krankarvolund7771 First class passengers taking photos in the lifeboat would come across as asinine and outrageous for all kinds of reasons not immediately apparent today. One of which would be them even having a camera there at all. This was 1912, they weren't exactly taking photos with a smartphone they carried in their pocket - a camera was a big bulky affair and shot onto glass plates which were bulky and heavy. Them even having the camera in the lifeboat would come across as callous since the camera by itself could have taken up the space that could have been taken by another passenger.
@@Bloodgod40 I don't recall it was their camera, even them would not be stupid enough to take that on a lifeboat, they took photos on the boat that rescued them, th Carpathia, probably with the camera of a passenger there ^^
I may have missed it, but I did want to point out that the 3rd class food on the titanic would’ve been an AMAZING meal for some of the least fortunate.
This is often overlooked! Titanic was fancy and how better to show that then by even feeding "the poor" better than most cheaper ships were offering for 2nd class. We have to keep in mind though that if it cost 2 months wages to even get on the ship + not being able to work while on it, even the poorest on the ship were probably the better off among the less fortunate of the time
Please, please talk some more about the RMS Carpathia and what Rostron did to get her to the survivors! The Carpathia, her captain, and all the people on her who didn't hesitate to do their part - they deserve to be remembered.
There's a great account of Rostron and the Carpathia in Walter Lord's classic A Night to Remember (the book, not the movie). Rostron wrote his memoirs, too. Best thing: Mrs J.J. Brown (the Unsinkable Molly Brown) gave medals to him and all his crew.
As a Finn myself, i was quite surprised to find out that the Titanic menu was also written in Finnish, not a thing that you come across much back in the early 1900's outside of, of course, Finland.
I would be more surprised if the second and first class menus were in Finnish and swedish. I believe there was a lot of emigration from scandinavia to the US at the time. Quick google indicates 55/708 third class were Finnish, 4/283 second class, and no Finns travelling first class. Finns were fifth largest nationality in third class, after british, irish, swedish and surprisingly, syrians.
@@DominicNJ73 Absolutely a bogstandard Finn, i swim in frozen lakes during the winter, every friday i relax in a sauna with an ale or a long gin in hand, and i love spending time outdoors
I know right, definitely surprising. I wonder how Finns ended up on the Titanic back in those days. Too bad it doesn't seem there's a picture of those Finnish Titanic menus available online, would've liked to read some...
It's always really interesting to know there were accounts of the ship breaking apart but because a lot of them were third class accounts for a long while historians didn't believe that it actually happened until they were able to find the wreckage. I remember so many documentaries where that was a huge question and debate.
I mean i get the argument for elitism, but as science goes, you can’t really trust a testimony from an irish sheperd in shock who never been on a boat before
@@cleopad5 This is absolutely a factor, but the main issue is simply that Second Officer Lightoller said it didn't break up. Since Charles Lightoller was the senior surviving officer, it was generally assumed that he would have the best understanding of what happened (and in fairness, he got a lot of the rest of it right).
@@stevenotch7324 sorry but that is ridiculous. People know what they see and experience. We did the same thing in WWII. The polish gov warned the USA/Europe about what was happening but since it came from a poor country no one believed it until the liberated Poland and other areas and saw it for themselves. It's Nonesense!
Imagine being the badass who knows you’re sinking, knows you’re doomed, and all you care about is making your child’s last few moments happy….that is breathtakingly beautiful
Wouldn't be happy to be on a sinking ship in the North Atlantic surrounded by icebergs, I'd be more happy to have survived that night while so many died.... What's so badass about being dead ??
Bertha sounded like she was shocked, but also had her survival instinct kicked on. Like she felt happiness because despite all odds, she managed to survive through something awful.
Yeah Bertha was just in shock. In the letter, my interpretation of it is that she was just happy she had survived such a big tragedy. I’m sure she wasn’t happy to see that much death.
I am a genealogist from Sweden who lately was looking at my ancestors who traveled to the US, only to discover a father who went there. After a few years he sent for his wife and 4 children to join him as he had found a place to work and rented a home for them to live in. So the mother and the 4 children got tickets to cross the ocean in Titantic as third class passengers. Sadly, he died of the sorrow of loosing his family in that catastrophic event. He blamed himself for ever going to the US at all by that point. It's so strange to find connections between ancestors and these known events and catastrophe that took place, makes everything seem so much more real. Thank you for doing this video, it gave me a glimps of what it was like for the mother and the 4 children who passed away.
@phantomkate6 he's not one of my ancestors, but my ancestor mentioned him when they asked him where he is heading in the US. They knew each other back in Sweden, most likely childhood friends because they came from the same village. You become curious of these people once you start searching for them, who they were, what were their morals, who were they with, what did they do.. like a giant jigsaw puzzle but the pieces are hidden.
The way that girl described how she felt after the sinking is exactly how most veterans feel about war. They're not necessarily happy but nonetheless they got to experience something epic they would never forget.
I am a combat veteran. I 100% get Bertha's vibe. No it isn't a coping mechanism. People react to certain situations differently, and of course there are going to be a group of people that thought it was fun as hell. If the event is so appalling, why are so many people still drawn to it a century later? Why are movies made about it? Why are people paid to reenact the most gory and tragic details? The entertainment value of such events are undeniable.
Bertha was one of those people that laugh when confronted with such things. Shock is a funny thing. She was just glad to have survived such a terrible experience. But I also think she has seen some shit in her life that was as bad or maybe even worse. I dunno. But this was a great episode and I am glad to have found it in my playlist. Thank you Max for such an incredible revisiting of the great and late Titanic.
Bertha Mulvihill, as you mentioned in the last part of this video, was the grandmother of a good friend of mine that I met while working temporarily in Philadelphia back in 2008. He has written extensively about her, being born just before she died, and has recently published a book about her life. As I recall she had sailed to Ireland to visit family and was coming back onboard the Titanic, en route to Rhode Island to plan her wedding shortly thereafter. Unlike most survivors she told her daughter everything that happened in very great detail, which was then told to Mark as he was growing up in Providence in the ‘50s and ‘60s. His mother’s memories of her mother’s journey that began that night were extremely prodigious and it’s worth noting that Bertha lived long enough to raise a family and see her first grandchild, which most passengers in 3rd class would not survive to see the next light of day. If you are interested in reading the story it was written by Mark Petteruti, and can be found on the website for Botanica in Provincetown, Massachusetts. He would also be thrilled at hearing any memories you may have of relatives that sailed aboard Titanic, so tell him that Jameson sent you. Thanks again for this wonderful video!
I'm surprised to see that the third class accommodations on the Titanic were relatively luxurious given the times. Really goes to show that even for the "least desirable" customers, White Star still wanted to provide a top quality service.
The Third class was their main source of income. White Star figured out by behaving better with third class passengers they can profit significantly compared to other liners. Probably one of the first instances of market research.
Yeah, I think that's something we kind of lose sight of, with the disaster clouding our perception of the whole event. For a lot of the third-class passengers, the accommodations would have been luxurious compated to what they were accustomed to. If the sinking hadn't exposed the classist flaws in the planning that allowed such a high number of deaths, it probably would have gone down as a wonderful ship for the time. It doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, it's just interesting to look at it from a more contemporary perspective.
@@hellsingmongrel The biggest flaw was in the regulations for lifeboats, lifejackets and similar equipment, which was extremely outdated. The legislation was written for wooden vessels that mostly stayed close to the coast and other vessels, and that tended to spend their nights in port.
This was, by far, one of the best episodes of “Tasting history…”. I love the way Max Miller tells us the stories, they’re full of life, emotions,…and food.
My son has always been super fascinated with the Titanic so when we were fortunate enough to visit Belfast, we went to the Titanic museum. Very highly recommend.
When a "historian" has a better way of describing tastes than the top 5 "foodtubers", who usually go "oh this is nice" as their most prosaic taste description. Well done Sir.
Regarding the 13,000 grapefruit, their thick rind helps protect them from time and rough handling, so they'll stay fresh and edible in a ship's hold longer than most other produce. When you've been asea for a while without replenishing your refrigerated stores, grapefruit's often the only thing available to eat that doesn't come out of a can. I deployed to sea twice in the Navy, and while asea I learned to love them.
@@jamLP The important thing to know about grapefruit is that the white pithy membrane surrounding the fruit segments is the part that's unpalatably bitter. Most people eat grapefruit with a spoon, but this is a mistake. The best way to eat grapefruit is to peel it into wedges much like you would an orange. If you peel off most of the white pithy membrane, you don't need sugar. Get rid of the bitter bits and grapefruit is surprisingly sweet and delicious.
"The menu was printed in German, English, Finnish and Swedish" Nice piece of historical information there, people even in Finland usually don't really understand how big the immigration wave to the US and Canada was 120ish years ago.
My great grandma came to the US from Finland around this time when she was a child (not on the Titanic) and ended up settling in Minnesota. Lots of people around that area have similar stories.
@@tomahawkgaming5226 My great grandfather went to Minnesota when he was a young. He got angry at his own father, lended money from neighbors and left the farm to Minnesota.
My father would occasionally serve a simple rice (or rissoni) and stock soup on Christian fasting days. When we, as children, asked what it was called, he replied "Harry". Throughout the subsequent generations we all make Harry for our families and call it as such. Delicious with crusty bread and good memories.
Fun fact: Despite the common claim, Titanic did in fact fulfill regulations regarding lifeboats at the time, actually, it carried more than double the lifeboats required. The reason for why so few lifeboats were required was twofold: 1: The regulations, which based the necessary numbers on passenger capacity, were outdated. Rather than requiring the lifeboats based on some kind of formula, they instead had categories that said a ship that can carry at least X but no more than Y people needs at least Z lifeboats. The problem with this, of course, was that the Titanic really earned that name. It was massive for the time. So massive, in fact, regulations put her in the "Everything above X" class, since noone had conceived of a ship this big when the regulations were written. 2: Even if the regulations had been up to date, they did not require ship to carry enough lifeboats for everyone, but only about 30%. The idea was that, if an SOS was sent, the lifeboats would ferry passengers to nearby ships, which would themselves also use their own lifeboats to rescue as many passengers as they could. Of course, tragically, this didn't happen, as noone had thought about the fact that ships could sink at night, and the radio operator needs to sleep as well.
When the regulations were made, apparently most ships docked at night so there was really no reason to write anything for it. How times change but regulations stay the same
As to point 1 the regs weren’t based on passenger capacity they were based on gross tonnage, if I remember correctly the X figure was 15,000 tons so Titanic was more than 3 times that size. 2 Titanic survived for a surprisingly long time after hitting the iceburg but was only able to launch 18 of her 20 boats. Even if she had had life boats for everyone chances are that she wouldn’t have been able to get them away. Lusitania and Britannic both had enough boats for every soul onboard neither got even half of them away. Also as it was there were only 4 navigating officers left on Titanic when she sank. The survival rate for deck crew was very high mainly due to the need to crew boats and even stokers had a good chance if they got to the boat deck. Ideally a boat would have had 2 deck crew to manage it and 4 stokers to pull oars. You were always dependent on the emergency signals if Titanic had not had a radio most of those in the boats would have been lost. Only one or two of the boats were being handled in a way that would give you any hope that they could have made Canada (the boats were provisioned for a 3 or 4 day journey) which was the only option if Carpathia hadn’t been on the way.
yeah, it's a fact that somewhat levels the classist behaviour down. i mean, it was shurley be there, but less malevolent since the plan was that another ship would show up to rescue the passengers and they would go back, i mean, that's why most of the boats wherent full, they where overconfident and therefore careless. You also have to keep in mind that the north atlantic route did see some heavy traffic in the day, and that's where the idea stems from, that another ship is always near by
@@enisra_bowman Yeah. Titanic is an example of a truly worst-case scenario. Everything that could've gone wrong, did. The crew did their absolute best, and the ship itself survived longer than it had any right to.
Me, on the other hand did not know that those Menus were also translated to Swedish and Finnish - being from Finland. 😃 Lots of immigrants traveling those days....
I love your style of historical interjections. There are good and bad truths of history, neither can be fully understood in our times now, being how removed we are from those who experienced life as they did even just 100 years ago. You've a true talent for the gift of gab and gentle honesty. Thank you for your hard work.
The meals given to the Third Class, particularly for their time, are almost unbelievably generous. Then factor in the allotments made to accommodate Kosher guests and it's nearly breathtaking.
"Generous" is the wrong word. "Luxurious" is more accurate. They were paying handsomely for the privilege of being on that ship, even in third class. Let's not frame the food included with their ticket price as some huge act of charity.
I mean, you're paying two months of salary for two weeks of travel, the least they can do is feed you accordingly XD As for kosher guests, there was a lot of jewish immigration, so it's logical to propose them services. A few decades later, the Normandie (large french ship in the same style as the Titanic) even built a Synagogue on the ship XD
I'm so glad you included the last firsthand account! That's a really interesting trauma reaction from a psych perspective. One of the things we've figured out by studying the way trauma has been traditionally treated is that the majority of people actually do better if you wait a couple of weeks after the traumatic event before you start doing therapeutic interventions. It seems our brains already have some mechanisms built-in to cope with traumatic events, and that it's best to let whatever those processes are work on their own for a bit before adding therapy. Maybe this is one of those processes at work pumping some extra happy brain chemicals out? Feelings of excitement and euphoria could also be related to the passenger's near brush with death; maybe a particularly strong expression of adrenaline-related effects? What an interesting historical case study a set of writings like that would make!
It just doesn’t seem that odd to me. If you were a passenger who was quickly ushered onto a lifeboat (ie: a woman in first class) you would have been in little danger, you would have had little stress (ie: no decision making, just being directed), and unlike your normal care-free boring life as a woman, this would have been mad exciting. We don’t only have different reactions to trauma, we also have different criteria for qualified as trauma. We can only guess/make assumptions about the character of this woman. Let’s just remember to not put too much stock in those assumptions unless we have significant deduction in their confirmation. Myself? I think I’d have likely responded the way she did. Though with a more modern understanding that third class people are in fact real human beings who deserve some empathy (and would have added such sentiments in a letter).
@@theouthousepoet i suppose she may not have realized just how extensive the suffering was, or didnt care... and instead was just elated that she survived. Even if she didn't do much besides listen to instructors to get through it, she would have had that "im alive!" Reaction some people get when they have a brush with death. Or she was a futurist and death, technology, accelerationism, and apathy were just part of a good time. Futurism being the movement popular in england and italy at the time, not the modern idea of idealistic sci fi.
This was also my impression - it's almost like she's in shock at the realization that she's alive after everything that happened, and she hasn't yet heard or processed the amount of people who died.
Maybe Bertha was just so relieved to have been on the rescue boat. I’d be pretty euphoric as well. Along with horrified, guilty, heartbroken, and afraid. To be in that life boat watching the titanic sink in-front of your eyes had to be one horrifyingly awestricken sight. No matter what she was feeling, I’m glad you included the letter!
I admit it. I'm addicted to this series. Not only is it fun to see historical dishes made in the present, but also the splendor of the ship itself, and the lives of the people who experienced it, and, of course, lived to tell their tales. I wonder if there's maybe a virtual tour of the ship out there, where one could take a peek into the most famous shipwreck in the world.
Fun Titanic trivia: despite the unfortunate accident with the iceberg, that class of ship was ridiculously tough --- there was a reason she was thought to be unsinkable. The Titanic's sister ship, the Olympic, was refitted as a troopship in the second world war, and at one point was attacked by a U-boat; the Olympic sunk it... by ramming. Later the Olympic managed to sink a _second_ ship, although unfortunately that one was a friendly lightship.
It wasn't WW2 Olympic served in WW1 And the "Woman's" name was Violet Jessop She served on board Olympic when it collided with the HMS Hawke in 1911, Titanic when she sunk in 1912, AND Britannic when she went down in 1916
I can't imagine being on the ship as it was sinking with my child and knowing we didn't have a chance to get into a life boat and my daughter having no idea what was about to happen. I hope their last moments together were happy ones. And honestly, I probably would have done the samething that mother did. Sit at the piano with my daughter. She loves to play musical instruments.
It literally breaks my heart hearing that.. I read your comment as soon as that part of the video was playing and my heart sunk.. to just think about when the water comes in and the poor baby clinging to her mother as they drowned together and absolutely nothing could be done.. I hope they passed of hypothermia rather than drowning I couldn’t imagine my poor baby drowning.. omg my heart.
Their last moments were nothing more than utter terror as the cabin they were in filled with icy water and they struggled to breath their last breaths.
@@Michelle-pn9xt Thats a really weird thing to say, she's empathizing with the woman who was all alone with her child, we don't know if she was even with a husband let alone what happened to him if she was. Why would you assume they wouldn't think of them merely for soothing their child, who's right there in front of them?
Man. Just imagine how much more ice cream they could've packed if they'd left the grapefruit behind! Totally stoked about Titanic month! Can't wait for the next episode!
Haha, that Bertha letter..she must have wanted Maud to not worry herself..or she used sarcasm at expert level. Pretty neat how you can basically time travel with food..and smells and music.
To me the emotions this woman was feeling is the same reason why people watch 9/11 videos of the plane crashing. We know there are dozens, if not hundreds of people that die on that initial impact, but it's hard to take your eyes away because of the spectacle that is a plane crashing. For her, in an era where such spectacles were only read about and maybe a painting or picture, to witness a gigantic ship raise up into the air, break in half and sink down into the water must have been something. And the whole part where she said she was glad to have seen it? It's just like in modern times where some people will even lie about having witnessed those planes crash in person and recount the experience at any chance they get, even if they don't want to admit it they were glad to be part of that experience.
I enjoy the accuracy and depth of your historic discussion. Too many that talk of history do so incredibly inaccurately, exaggerative, and insert modern judgements and arguments. It's immensely refreshing to get this genuine love of the study of history and breakdown and it's good to learn these old recipes. I am genuinely excited for these episodes. The general period is one I like to learn about, and the Titanic has such a status behind it for a reason.
Interestingly, the comfort aspect of sea travel had improved so dramatically in half a century that a third-class passenger on the Titanic (pre-iceberg) would have typically had a much more enjoyable voyage than a first class passenger on any ship 50 years earlier. The cuisine offered in Titanic's third class actually sounds fairly appetizing.
@@andreaslind6338 The clip, or to eat it? I grew up calling Wasa bread, "hard tack," and I love it, but it's not hard tack like Max does hard tack. LOL
@@andreaslind6338 Ah. It's a Swedish flat crispbread (knäckebröd). Almost never goes stale. Great with a bit of butter and pickled herring with a bit of dill. Or peanut butter & jam. Or buttered and dipped in tomato soup. I don't personally like it by itself... it needs at least some butter.
If you consult the schematic of the ship, you will find that those large iron gates did not separate 3rd class from the rest of the ship. Smaller waist high gates were used. The large gates were used to keep passengers out of important areas of the ship, like Engineering. No one was actually "Locked" in Titanic when she went down as the small gates were easily openable or you could just jump over them in a rush. The crew in engineer also had ladders and hatches leading straight up through the structure, bypassing those large gates. The "locked gates" thing is just a myth perpetuated by the film. I also have read the reason the larger gates were locked was partially because of the fire that hade been raging in the coal bunker over the past few days, so they definitely didn't want curious passengers wandering down there to see a show. But those gates would have led them deeper into the ship, not towards an exit.
@@TerMau01 There was a gate separating 3rd class, but again, it was small, about 3 feet high and immediately unlocked when it became obvious that the ship was going down, locked by some asshole, then the lock broken to prevent it being locked again. The only barrier between 3rd class and survival was human. Men, especially 3rd class were prevented from boarding the boats. Women in children but particularly, higher class ticket women and children were priority. It should be noted that a lot of men flat out refused to board the boats. They figured they could wait it out until another ship (The Carpathia) arrived. In a way, the ship itself was supposed to act as a liferaft while sinking and it was common for women to board the lifeboats while men waited it out on board, but that's an extremely flawed 19th century idea.
@@steven95N I remember that the families of the Titanic crew shown in the film were _extremely upset_ by their portrayal in the film --- it showed them in a very bad light and a lot of it was, as you say, completely made up for dramatic purposes.
Interesting. So much was put into the film production, to have everything absolutely accurate. (Even the "Couer de la Mer" necklace seems to have been real as it was kept under guard during filming, according to a relative who worked on the film.) Then it seems a major part was dramatized.
Can I just say congratulations on the amount of views this has received since it's been posted ? Honestly kind of phenomenal considering how many people claim to find history boring, thank you for making my favorite subject less nerdy to talk about ☺️😋
History is amazing! I live and work on the Wirral in the UK at a place called Port Sunlight where Lord Leverhulme manufactured sunlight soap. The factory still does today and he built the beautiful village for his employees who came from Victorian slums to live in. Please google it because it is absolutely beautiful and a fascinating look into the past. The original factory has changed abit but we all look at old pictures and can see the actual rooms we work in by the architecture of the original ceilings and doors. We are a short bus ride away from Cammell Laird ship yard where some of titanic was built and Birkenhead where the blue prints were drawn up. it’s all still here 😊
The Titanic is one of those events in history that has transcended many generations and created much curiosity along the way...... I've read much on the subject, watched many documentaries, as well as viewed the prominent movies on the subject over and over. Some would call me a fanatic!😉
History is definitely boring to learn UNLESS you have someone like this making it fun and entertaining to learn… sit me in any other history lesson and I wouldn’t learn shit. All about delivery
I'm so happy for this series. I have lived in Northern Ireland for nearly 20 years, and it is home to me now. The Titanic lore here is very important, and the yellow Harland and Wolfe cranes are an iconic symbol of the shipyard where the Titanic was built. This is fascinating, I'm looking forward to the other episodes.
Yea the H&W cranes have become such an icon of Belfast itself, I went to the Titanic Quarter MET campus and only starting to appreciate now how scenic my daily walk down to it was now that i'm older.
I think I can explain the lady who was seemingly happy that she had been in the Titanic disaster. I’m a combat veteran (a former infantry combat medic), I’ve survived many close brushes with death, and there is an extreme period of euphoria that some people experience after surviving a situation that could’ve easily killed you. Some of the best days of my life were days that I barely escaped serious injury or death.
I'm amazed at the sheer amount and quality of food served in the Third Class. Not to mention porcelain and linen. Most people traveling Third Class must have thought they were living in a dream. Then again, if I have to pay a thousand bucks for a transantlantic travel, I'd insist on having decent tablewear and good food, too
Same. I didn't realize just how extravagant the third-class experience on the Titanic was - because I didn't even think of comparing it to the typical voyages of the day. These "third-class" passengers must have thought they were being treated like kings. I mean, I wasn't expecting linen and all that fine china - I was expecting a mess hall, not table service. Not sure I'd handle a lack of bath access but all that food... I didn't expect that for third-class. Fascinating.
That's some great menu, if you ask me. Honestly, you don't need a hundred ingredients to make good food. Jacket potatoes with smoked herring? Fresh bread and butter? Sign me up!
Yeah, l was expecting him to say they ate only hard tack and badly boiled potatoes, but they were eating better than me on an average week! And it sounds kinda apperazing (and less stomach cramp inducing than most food in 1st class)
A couple of the times we've toured the Queen Mary in the Long Beach harbor, we've found displays of the old serving ware as well as models of the various ships. The classism is astounding but those ships were certainly beauties. Thanks for this with the experiences of survivors in their own words - fantastic stuff.
My husband worked for Luckenbach Lines in SF in the late fifties, before they went out of business. We used some of their silverplate place settings for years.
I make this in winter at my cabin. I add frozen vegetables. I call it Cabin soup. ( I bring cooked by my wife rice from home . Brown rice adds protein.
Bravo on the white star line dishes! They added even more depth to the episode and I can't wait for what else is to come in Titanic month. Have you thought of doing an episode(s) on Henry Flagler and the meals available to his guests in his high end Florida hotels and passenger trains?
Talk about a tear jerker of an episode here on Tasting History. The reality of what happened to so many people, fellow humans, that night is beyond tragic. Great episode.
I normally notice Jose's Pokémon choice immediately when the video starts, but for some reason it took me until you were actually eating the soup to register that he'd picked a Regice for this one... It feels somehow appropriate to not notice that until it's almost too late, as much as this is going to sound like a really horrible joke.
I'm honestly impressed with how many pokemon plushies he has especially the more obscure ones. Pikachu or Eevee are a dime a dozen. But where does one get a Regice one?
Ooh, a month? I can't wait!!! I've pored over the Titanic's menus a few times, and the Hindenburg's, and one or two others... *OK, I might have an unhealthy food obsession there...* ❤️
@@TastingHistory Looks as if my second attempt disappeared, too, at some point. *Just search "Lunch and Dinner Menus from the Hindenburg’s Last Flight" and you'll find it! 🙂 (You can also get some of the Lusitania's menu with the exact phrase "The last meals before the sinking of the Lusitania".)*
I'm with Max on this one. The Hindenberg! I feel it's really sad that dirigibles aren't the way to travel these days. I mean, it's a combination of air and ship travel, really. Although, with everyone in such a rush to get somewhere, a leisurely trip to the destination is relegated to cruise ships, which are the vacation. The ports of call are small distractions.✌😸 #if it shoots send it 🇺🇦
Thrilled you're doing this series, Max! My late father was fascinated by the Titanic, so I grew up hearing these stories. This was back before the internet, and I distinctly remember how long it took him to find out what a 'duck press' was! I shall think of my dad while I watch, he would have loved this ♥
Just found your channel. I have to admit, at first I thought “this looks ‘meh’ but I’m bored so I’ll try it for a minute or two.” At this point I’ve watched 5 straight videos and I’m so glad I stumbled onto your channel. History, food, and an interesting narrator- can’t ask for more.
First off, I am a fan of the show, and as someone with a degree in history, it is essential to learn just dates and events and learn the day in the life of a person at any point in history. Especially learning what different groups or civilizations ate and drank. As for sleeping towards the ship's bow as a Navy veteran who was stationed on an aircraft carrier, the best sleep I got was on the ship from rocking; however, it sucked when aircraft were launching and landing.
The horrifying thing is the remaining standing gates of the Titanic wreck are still locked to this day.😨 Heartbreaking to hear about the mother singing to her child at the piano when she knew they were going to die. RIP🙏
No gate was closed to keep the passengers down during the sinking, per accounts of thrid class survivors who were interviewed about the sinking during the investigations. Also third class passengers were not the only ones thinking nothing serious was going on, there are many accounts among the survivors about people refusing to go out on deck and to the boats, maritime history to that day had show often more deaths at sea on boats than in the sinking ship itself, like the case of SS Valencia, all boats were launched with all women and children, all of them died none of the boats survived, while the men that stayed behind did survive. The titanic baker had to literaly force first class comen and children to go out to the boat deck and get in a boat, recounts also tell that Mr Andrews, the Titanic designer also spend much of the sinking going in checking rooms and convincing women to go on to the boats, thats why the first boats left half or barely full, people didnt want to get in.
@@Gabriel26963A third class survivor told of being ordered by ship staff (along with the other large group of 3rd class passengers he was with) to not come up on deck and that they should remain in the 3rd class area until they are called... and that "call" never came. That particular man only survived because he finally decided to ignore their order while the rest of the 3rd class passengers, many who didn't speak English well or at all, listened to staffs orders. So the matter of the locked gate is irrelevant. The 3rd class were forgotten about during the rescue because they were poor.
@@nickd1930course he did nick😂 making it up as you go along . Thats never happened. The only reason first class and second class got on boat's first is because there were closer to the life boats. By then the deck was busy, they needed to keep order and they were not locked in there were some escape routes.
Wow. That letter was an intriguing find. You're absolutely right, at first it seems callous--and we may never be able to discern the real reason she wrote what she did--but if you really think about all the emotions that someone would be going through I think it gives you a pretty good picture of that historical moment. Like if she was just being callous, then it speaks volumes to how impressive and popular the Titanic was; that she would want to capture the moment after realizing how much fame she would get from not only being on the Titanic, but surviving it's eventual sinking. However if she wasn't purposely being callous, then maybe she wrote it to cope with the mix of emotions she was going through. I can't imagine how I would react seeing countless people die in front your eyes, realizing how lucky you are to be rescued. Either way, even though it may seem like a simple letter, the context means so much more. I think that's why I like history so much. There is often so much more to stories that you can't grasp without things like this. Great find.
I was binging history documentaries recently. What do you think of recreating something from a medieval spice guild's feast in London? They're better documented than peasants and there's so much you could talk about
Either it was indeed shock, or Bertha appreciated witnessing and experiencing a sight and event of extremely unique and incredible proportions. In a way you can imagine how seeing such a collossal ship split in two and sink like that would be a truly awe-striking spectacle. It may be that she lived a life of drudgery and normalcy until suddenly she went through something that made her feel truly alive. I would imagine she was also in the right place at the right time and was never in any real danger, so never experienced the terror of coming to face to face with death.
Well the thing about that is, they couldn’t see anything once the lights went out. It was a moonless night, and if you’ve ever been on the ocean at night with no moon, it is indescribably dark. I work out in the gulf on a supply boat for oil rigs, and looking out at night with no moon feels like being in outer space. That’s the reason why up until the wreck was discovered, most people thought the ship went down in one piece, because no one was able to see it split in half except maybe those who were very close to it when it happened.
Just saw Titanic for the first time ever, watched the remastered edition in Theaters and what an incredible movie! So excited to learn way more about it from all your episodes covering it
This is awesome, Max!!! The titanic has always been a very interesting topic for me. And to get to "experience" how third class was served, is so cool!! Your channel is amazing, bc you learn while you're watching the video, without even realizing it!
I agree! The Titanic sinking and White Star Line in general has lots of historical significance. It's especially interesting to me because my great great uncle was a 3rd class passenger of the Titanic. Elon Osen was 16 at the time and he died in the sinking. My grandpa, Elon was his uncle, could never watch the movie because it was too soon, to real, for him even then.
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Max getting verklempt from the super positive reaction to this video is a very real thing 🥺
This video is an interesting idea. I too have had a fascination for the titanic for the longest time, even before a certain movie. I once had a very old collection of music that was a re-creation of what passengers would have heard in their dining halls for instance based on what class they were. As we do have records of what music was to be played on what days etc. Music to some degree like food is a window into people and their lives and it’s all very fascinating to me.
It isn't difficult to be enthused over a whole series devoted to the cuisine served during such an event as the Sinking of the Titanic.
The phenomenon of feeling euphoria after a disaster is a very real thing.
My sister-in-law and I were in a golf cart accident over 40 years ago (we used it for running around town). We were coming down a hill and around a corner when our back right tire hit a large drain hole and the golf cart flipped. It landed upsidedown on a rock on my left ankle, and trapped my sister-in-law underneath it. I was able to rock it off of us before the ambulance got there, and so unpin my sister-in-law. But I was unable to get up because my ankle had been injured (though fortunately not broken).
Despite the fact that her back had sustained chemical burns from the battery acid her shirt had been soaked with, and my Achilles heel was injured so badly it took 6 months to heal properly, we were giddy and giggly, and spent the whole time in the ER cutting up and making jokes, and just generally acting silly. We were DEFINITELY feeling the results of the adrenaline let down from the accident as a type of euphoria. The nurse said that wasn't unusual, that it was a toss up as to how people will react in a situation like that, and euphoria is one of the possibilities.
Hoping for a Hindenburg sequel to follow! ❤️
My gosh, that lady’s comment to the young man to lie down and she’d hide him so he could live made me tear up. I know a lot of people died needlessly that day, but being kind while in the face of panic and possible death isn’t as easy as people think. Brovo to her
It really resonated with me too. Especially since the class difference between them likely was vast, yet in that moment that lady expressed the truth that we are all human and deserving of life.
I immediately teared up, skipped back to rewatch it, and then just paused the video. Wow, it’s so impactful on so many levels. “You’re someone’s child.” Gives me chills. Bless that woman.
That's a hero.
I'm EMS and while I love that story it does not surprise me. We see stuff like this all the time. During 911 many people were saved because of everyday people. With what is going on in Ukraine we are seeing stories of common folks and what they are doing. To me they are all heroes. I am not a hero, just a man who enjoys the job he has done for over 30 years. I think one of my biggest hero is the 12 year old whop was doing CPR on her mother. Stop for a second and think about your 12 year old self having to do CPR on your mother. We saved that lady, there was no way we were going to give up. We rolled into the ER and she had a heart beat. That 12 year old saved her mother, just like that lady here saved that young man. You all can be heroes.
That's got me choked up right now
This reminded me of when my friend and I did the Titanic for our history days project in 8th grade. The judge asked us what "RMS" stood for, and after a panicked look at each other, our answer was "Really Massive Ship".
HAHAHAHAHA
Yikes!
Or was it actually olympic that sunk?
@@jannekaijansinkko8067 😂 there are some who believe that, though they’d also have to believe that someone replaced a number on every single piece of metal in the Olympic with the number that’s specific to the Titanic.
Did they accept the answer?
"Lay down, lad. You are somebody's child." That realization, that mindset that woman had is the core of true empathy and brought me to tears. The word "hero" gets thrown around way too much imo but SHE is a true hero. Look at everyone you see and remember they were somebody's baby.
Yeah, that bit surprised me. I wonder if she's a 1st or 2nd class passenger.
this also brought me to tears haha...
@@martasorangeberry Think of the context. I think people were probably shouting "Women and children first!" and telling men to get out. She was giving him a reason not to listen to that and save his own life - that he was somebody's child.
@@martasorangeberry They were only letting women and children go first. That is what she meant by saying he was somebodies child. It was because only women and children were allowed to leave. She was not thinking of his mom, she was twisting the rules to still say he qualified to be on that boat. She is a hero because she thought of a way to save his life. Those in charge were not letting more people on. She showed the survivors on the boats were willing to take on more passengers so the crew were to blame for the limited people on the life boats. A hero does not have to sacrifice their own life or have their own life in jeopardy to be a hero, they just have to set themselves apart by helping somebody in a life and death situation when nobody else will. The status que has people not helping in what is called the bystander effect. Anybody willing to be an active helper instead of just sitting by and watching like everybody else, is morally strong and a hero for helping. You ever hear of Kitty Genoese in NYC? People heard her murdered in an ordeal which took a long time and did not help her. That is why many first responders are hero's, like police, firemen, and EMT's. They are the one's who are willing to risk their lives to help others and yet get insulted today by buffoons. You narcissist type people don't even call them hero's when they do risk their lives and they do die saving people. Does that hurt your head? Because you think somebody has to have died in order to save you for them to be called a hero, and they have to meet your own particular bizarre qualifications and meet your approval to earn that title? You need to pull your head out of a morbid narcissistic fantasyland.
@@martasorangeberry Remember that this was in the past. Don’t apply your current morals to the people in the past. The thing is, she helped saved him. If not for what she did, he would’ve gotten off and drowned with the rest.
What’s wrong with using her position as the privileged woman (assuming she really is not just another 3rd class passenger). If you’re in a position to save anyone, why not use it? No matter the reason, whether it be for likes, thumbs up, views, money, that does not changed the fact that you saved someone. Does police, fireman, etc saving people not good enough cause they are paid? Do they have to save people on their day off for us to call them heroes?
You should also remember that the way people talk in those time period is different. That phrase imo might be a glimpse of her reason for saving her. Assuming she’s also middle-elderly aged woman, she knows that his mother would be devastated if he too will perish. She’s saving two souls instead of one.
Idk why are you so critical of everything. Why inject unwanted bad ideas in a good scenario? I would’ve agreed with this over analyzing if it serves some purpose and there are reasons to doubt but there was none based on the story we’ve been told. Are we gonna dig her up and persecute her for the word she said to the man and not just be glad that she actually saved a man?
You’re no longer analyzing you’re just making up story that isn’t there. Instead of taking the story as it is (cause why shouldn’t you?), you rather sow malicious thoughts that serves no purpose.
“Lay down lad, you are somebody’s child”, is just, beautiful. Mad respect for that woman so single-handedly saved this man’s life.
right on!
Thanks for this series. My grandfather’s 2nd cousin was in third class on the Titanic and did not survive. Luckily his wife and two children got a place in a lifeboat. Usually the movies and other accounts focus on first class. Thank you for remembering the everyday folks and bringing them and their food to life for the rest of us.
Thank you for sharing your family story of this great tragedy.
RIP.
Every family has a tragic story. Keeping those stories alive is what helps build history.
@@Poodleinacan You are very kind. Thank you so much.
I dated a guy once whose great grandfather (maybe another great? Can't remember!) was a 1st class steward. His widow was given a payout and 2nd class passage anywhere in the world on a White Star liner, which is how his family came to Canada.
@@patriciamorgan6545 thank you. They were emigrating from England to the US. The widow and children went back to England. Our cousin’s name was Bertram Dean. Fortunately his story has been kept alive by historians as well as by family. My father, who was born in 1919, was named for him as well.
I can only assume Bertha was still in shock from the disaster and also filled with euphoria at having been rescued. Sometimes people will walk out of a disaster laughing and giddy, coming down from adrenaline.
Thank you. I was looking for this comment. Her reaction, while seemingly inappropriate, is not unusual. Some people experience particularly intense adrenaline highs.
I had a similar thought. The euphoria of being finally rescued and safe was probably messing with her head a bit.
I had the same thought, adrenaline and shock.
Yes, adrenaline is the correct word for what she was feeling. Its the euphoria when something so different than what you're used to is happening that it is exciting just for its bizarreness or danger.
She may also have been unaware yet of the scale of the disaster, in terms of lives lost.
That account of a mother comforting her child, playing the piano as the ship goes down and water rushes in, brought a tear to my eye. It's so sad, and so human.
I don't know about everyone else, but I'd fight like hell to get out of there and save our lives. Or at least my child's.
@@noorrougelewis6704 there was nowhere to go for most of the guests, some that got life boats were lucky.
@@davidwelchert264 If you were a female or child you could
She was probably one of the unlucky passengers waiting below deck for further instruction until it was too late.
@@cmm6016 They were warned in enough time, but the issue was how they were warned. They were just woken up and shouted at. Not really told what was going on. And a big reason for a lot of third class passengers dieing was just not knowing their way around the ship to get out. There was actually a door that cut through first class, leading them right to the deck, but noone knew it.
That anecdote about the mother singing to her small child absolutely guts me. The scene from the movie Titanic where the mother is telling her children a story as she tucks them in is probably the most heartbreaking moment in the whole film. It hurts doubly more now that I'm a parent myself.
That scene broke me when I watched the movie, even years later when I remembered I started crying..
Terrible, also the wife and husband holding eachother in bed😢
@@stephaniegates9836 That was false. Isidor and Ida Strauss, the couple depicted were on the deck when they died. Isidor's body was found. Ida's not!
That was the way their death was portrayed in the 1950s movie. @@HowieHoward-ti3dx
That movie was very historically inaccurate. Including the fact that steerage passengers were forcibly kept separate due to the British class system. In actual fact it was required by US quarantine laws. In ships from the US to Britain all classes shared outdoor space. Yes the British were class conscious. But they did know how to behave to each other appropriately. For the record I don't live in either the US or Britain.
"Lay down, lad, you are somebody's child" just a stab in the heart with that one. The absolute unconditional love that woman showed him by virtue of nothing but sharing the same place. We should all dream to be so kind and compassionate to one another.
We don't even know half the stories that made up the events of that night, but I feel like many heroes were born through simple acts of kindness.
@@goawayleavemealone2880 You are so right imagine how many stories happened that night
He later became Adolf Hitler the child
@@peterfile2185 - I'll assume you're making an unfunny joke.
His name was Daniel Buckley and he was 21 when Titanic sank, he died during the 1st World War. In fact many of the few young men who survived Titanic, and Lusitania, probably died in the 1st World War.
@@disgruntledcommenter-o4h - That's the dumbest interpretation of this phrase ever.
The comment is literally a way of acknowledging that somebody values and cares for you, that your life shouldn't be forfeit because nobody else can see your worth. Do you expect her to launch into a soliloquy about the value of the life of a complete stranger in the 10 - 15 seconds that they probably had to hide him?
I totally got teary when you shared the story of the 3rd class young man who was hidden under a rug on the lifeboat by a woman, because he was someone's son. I hope he always kept that woman in his thoughts and prayers the rest of his life.
That lady was awesome!!
Yep, that got me too. I wasn't prepared to cry over tasting history today.
Rest of his short life it seemed. He passed in 1918 probably in the Great War
@@SeanHiruki "Lay down, lad, you are somebody's child." The human spirit truly is beautiful.
@@SeanHiruki True. So sad. As someone mentioned below, he was likely taken by WW1 or the Influenza pandemic.
One of the quotes you include comes from my great great great grandmother, a third class passenger who was coming to America to help raise her grandchildren (including my great grandfather) after her daughters husband died. She sunk along with the ship, but years later on an expedition to the wreck they discovered her purse with her original ticket still intact.
I’m so excited for the rest of this series, thinking of the last meal that people ate is incredibly haunting but a topic that’s absolutely worth exploring!
Oh wow! What was her name?
The recipe I cooked from the Titanic cookbook was served on April 12, 1912. I am going to make Chicken a la Maryland soon....
Thanks for your story and also your username is awesome lol
That's fascinating! Yes, please she her name if you can.
@@owellafehr5191 Marian Meanwell! I actually had never heard about the quote that was used by max in this video, presumably it’s from a letter she wrote before boarding. I’d love to know his source for that quote so that I can find more out about her!
I saw that Daniel Buckley was listed as being alive from 1890-1918, so I had to look him up. I found that he was killed in France about a month before the end of World War I trying to retrieve his wounded comrades from the battlefield. He left Europe for a better life in 1912 and ended up returning 6 years later only to be killed in Europe.
I saw that too and already guessed that he might have died during WWI. Thanks for the details. What a tragic.
I can just imagine him repeating those words the lady told him before hiding him in that rug to those comrades he saved.
"Easy, lad. You're somebody's child." 😭🙏
I initially assumed he died of influenza
@@MyHeartsBeat I noticed the same thing and thought the same thing as well. Turns out I was correct.
Sounds like he was a hero during the great War.
"Lay down, Lad, you are somebody's child."
This brought tears to my eyes. He was recounting this is a letter to his mother. He was indeed somebody's child. Although it says he died only a few years later in 1918, at the young age if 28. Perhaps as a solider in WW1? Imagine surviving the sinking of the Titanic, and still dying only a few years later...
I'm saddened to see that I was right...
"Daniel Buckley met his end on 17 October 1918 during the Argonne Campaign-shot by a sniper whilst helping to evacuate the wounded at the Meause-Argonne front. Although initially buried in France, his body was later repatriated to Ireland and he was buried in Kingswilliamtown Cemetery."
There's a reason why that generation was called the Lost Generation. Imagine a war so horrible as the First World War and then that leading directly into the Spanish Flu, both of which disproportionately kill the young. And then, that crossing over into encephalitis lethargica. And then, half a decade after that, the Great Depression.
I noticed that too, like how did he die so soon after? and went to Google and found the same thing you did. I wonder how many Titanic survivors died in World War 1. I'm sure it's only a google search away, but alas i have used up my daily search
@@DuckReconMajor many young men who left Europe, Ireland and Britain for America found themselves back over in France only a few later fighting and sadly mostly dying on the western front.
@@stanleywang7367 all to accumulate to a second world war
"You are someone's child", just broke my heart. The Titanic, like many other very preventable tragedies always gets me but thank you for always bringing so much to the topics you cover!
It might not have actually been all that preventable. It's been shown that, in Titanic's position, at that particular time, under those particular weather and water conditions, a rare kind of mirage may have completely hidden the iceberg until they were nearly upon it. The phenomena has been documented since, and while fishermen in Halifax might have been aware, commercial lines at the time were not.
If you're interested, Smithsonian Magazine has an article on it, or you can google images under "titanic sinking mirage" and you'll see.
@@mjinba07 i think whatbthey meant was the lack of lifeboats
While the Titanic was a preventable tragedy, the safety measures taken after it sinking saved far more lives in the long term than just by preventing the tragedy itself.
Yeah.. I heard the line. Humanity was a different creature then... it seems. A good woman saved that young man. Awesome.
:)
@@andregon4366 If you're interested here's another source recently posted - a 25 mn interview with a fellow who can reference all the documents th-cam.com/video/P0bCi_tqvoE/w-d-xo.html
The, "Lay down lad, you are someone's child." has me BAWLING and I can not stop. That woman simply laying a blanket over another human to save his life is certainly in the Pantheon of Heroes. Rest In Power unknown lady.
The world's gotten so cold that words like those just aren't spoken when they matter. People claim to be good and caring, but when put to the test you can see so many of those claims fall straight through. I hope one day people realize that likes and parroting doesn't make for a good or nice person. The current culture just breeds shallowness and insincerity.
@@Ray-Of-Sunshine I also hope that one day people realize that being kind doesn't just mean being kind to a small handful of people only. I've seen too many treat their friends like garbage. :(
@@Ray-Of-Sunshine I think a lot of people realize this. There's hope for humanity if people like us care. Do what you can to help your fellow human. I will do the same. Peace be with you, stranger.
@@Ray-Of-Sunshine I mean, obviously that time was shallow as well considering the young man wasn't considered good enough to get on the lifeboat. There are still good people out there that would react similarly today if put in the same situation as that woman, I believe.
@@Ray-Of-Sunshine Most of the video shows just how shallow much of society was in 1911 as well. The world is still much the same
Little fun fact: the Titanic is an Ocean Liner, Ocean liners and cruise ships have different purposes, Ocean liners are like busses, they get you from point A to point B. Cruise ships are like hotels on the water. There is one Ocean Liner left today, the Queen Mary 2, it takes the same route as Titanic, across the Atlantic from Ireland to New York. Planes are the new version of Ocean Liners, which is why Ocean liners aren't as common today
I and my (at the time) fiancé did the transatlantic crossing from Southampton to New York on the Queen Mary 2. I'll take traveling the north Atlantic by ocean liner over a cruise ship any day.
I have been on a cruise ship and I found the experience dreadful. I remember telling a friend afterwards that it was easier to get a drink and a cigarette in boarding school.
@@dancingkatzI’m curious, why would do you prefer it?
@@grannyannie2948My husband and I went on a cruise with our daughter and her husband. I absolutely hated it. I felt so claustrophobic, and the entertainment wasn’t that great. The best time was sitting in the bar at night listening to the karaoke. There were a lot of southerners and the guys loved to sing! They were very entertaining.
@@marilyn6556 Sounds like my experience. I couldn't sleep, I couldn't relax, my best day was when everyone disembarked to tour islands and I had the ship to myself for a while.
I am constantly amazed by how consistently you post, yet they’re ALL good videos. I’ve loved your channel since the first few weeks you started, and you’ve only gotten better and better at making these. Your enthusiasm for history is infectious!
Thank you! And I’m so glad the videos have gotten better. My fear is going the other way.
I know, right!? You'ld think he had a staff of 15! Where are you keeping those teams of 7 dwarves, buddy?
@@k8eekatt its the cats, in little cat aprons and chef hats
@@TastingHistory I think you finished the Lego set though Max, it looks just right to me.
I'll second that x 1000. Amazing quality and content! One of the best channels on TH-cam.
It seems kind of horrifying that ship passengers were once expected to bring their own food. What if the ship was delayed at sea? What if their supplies were stolen? So much could go wrong…I’d be guarding my food like it was the Hope Diamond.
It happened a lot. Theft was a big deal, which is why many 3rd calls passengers carried all their valuables with them around the ship.
@@TastingHistory I think a lot of the people on passenger ships at the time where thieves . the crew who worked down in the engine room apparently liked the new ship better than the other older ships they had worked on.
before Covid 19 struck I brought a book about what it was like to work on a steam ship like Titanic.
@@eliotreader8220 “a lot” of people on passenger ship at the time were thieves.”
Cite your sources, or it’s just your opinion, and in really bad taste.
For naval officers, it was customary for them, perhaps some of the warrant officers, and midshipmen to bring some personal provisions aboard (amounts depending on station, personal means, size of the ship, etc). And pilfering was not unheard of.
But for the Royal Navy in the 18th, crew stealing provisions could be courting a death sentence through flogging, or "only" walking the gauntlet... less than fun for the poor bastard.
@@ajclements4627 hahahahahah, you are most likely a thief yourself. or why are you so triggered?
"Lay down lad, you are somebody's child."
Such a heart felt moment.
surprising act kindness comming from some aristhocrat person in the times of 1912
Brought tears right to my eye's❤😪
That lad was my great uncle Daniel. I love when he gets mentioned and send the link to his niece, my aunt.
@@sammyinbrooklyn Wow! I noticed that, even though he survived the sinking of the Titanic, he still died pretty young. Do you know why?
@@jellojenna6 he joined The Army to fight for America when America joined WW1. He was on the first boat back to Europe, he earned a Purple Heart, wrote to my Great Grandmother Albina consistency and died a week or two before the war ended helping clear wounded soldiers off the battlefield. He was hit by a sniper.
My great grandmother was supposed to be on the titanic. She was coming to America from Ireland to become a maid for a wealthy family. The man who was sending for her to come over heard the ship was constructed poorly and had her wait and not get on the ship. I am so thankful she did not and made it home.
Great story
My great grandma Verena was booked in for the maiden voyage to go to Ireland but had to cancel as she found out she was pregnant with my Nannan Ethel and would have been too far on in her pregnancy at the time of the Voyage. Mad to think she narrowly missed being a part of the timeline of such a horrific event. They had quite a bit of money at the time, we have some beautiful studio portraits of my great grandma and my nannan in about 1914 and judging by their clothes they might have been traveling 2nd class (my Auntie has more details). My great grandma was a hat designer/milliner in Sheffield till she married and my great grandad Alfred had a good job and came from a middle class family.
@@RuthLockwood middle cls means second cls right?
Plus,the lucky pregnancy tho 🙂💓
@@RuthLockwoodre you directly connected to that pregnancy? I mean is your grandma or father the result of pregnancy and then your father or mother and then you. Congo you got saved too
@@JodHan-g4q yeah she was pregnant with my mum’s mum x
Between "lay down, lad" and the lady at the piano with her child, I got really choked up. My baby is just shy of 2 years old... I can't imagine, I have no words for what the people must have felt in their last moments that night. Especially the ones with kids who couldn't get out in time. They really aren't kidding when they say becoming a parent changes you. My heart aches for those families.
This month of episodes is gonna make me cry 😭😭
Sad thing is given the year he died, he was probably killed at the tail end of WW1. 1918, only six years after surviving the Titanic.
I guess it is some solace that anyone trapped inside the ship would have died fairly quickly.
I thought this was going to be pretty straightforward - recipe, then cooking, then eating.
I love the actual historical information in this video. Bloody brilliant. You've earned a sub from me.
i watched the 2nd class video first, subbed, then watched this one. will be tuning in from now on, i definitely thought it was just the recipe/cooking too!
same!
same :)
disgusting brony
Thanks for making this. My 3rd cousin Florence Thorneycroft survived the sinking, unfortunately her husband Percival did not. They were 3rd class passengers and to think they must have ate a similar meal to that you just made has just brought home the tragedy of that night.. Thankyou!
@@MK-rk4no We all knew what they meant, no need to be pedantic.
@@MK-rk4no no one cares
@@ville666sora I care!😮😮
How old are you?
Such a bitter sweet tale. Thank you for sharing.
The third class dinner menu sounds rather nice. If you served it to me, I would happily devour all of it and ask for seconds. There's nothing wrong with good simple food.
Sounds wonderful to me,too.
There was beyond nothing wrong with the menu. This was an age where, many in poverty and working poor people simply ate what was available and affordable for them with little ability to factor taste or presentation. Many poor children starved to death and those unfortunate enough to have to go into a work house while under age 8 had less than a 10 percent chance of surviving the year. Those under 2 almost always died of disease within 6 months. Coming from that, this is opulence
@@evil1by1 I would be happy to receive it today. Hell, I'd pay money for it at a restaurant. If I was scraping by on garbage and scraps, I can't imagine how luxurious it would feel to have a hot roast beef dinner with all the fixings.
Roast beef and steamed taters sound gud 👏
I love simple food but delicious.
My great great grandparents were 3rd class passengers on the Oceanic, another White Star Line ship, in November of 1912, on the same route as the Titanic. I imagine their food was somewhat similar. I can’t imagine going on that same journey just a few months after the sinking of the Titanic though, I’d be terrified.
Were they Third Class or Steerage passengers? (Steerage was the lowest class of passage.)
@@purplealice According to Wikipedia, the Titanic didn't have a separate steerage class; any references to "steerage" would just mean third class (and the Oceanic was a sister ship).
As this video shows, third class seems to have been relatively basic, but decent plain accommodation. This was a twentieth century steamship and the pride of its line, not some 19th century sailing hulk with passengers stuffed in the bilges.
@Shakenstein And why would you say that? History really happened, you know. Hundrends of thousands of Europeans went to America during those times. I have multiple historical documents about my ancestor’s journey.
@Shakenstein no proof of lies so that means its true
@Shakenstein just because your life is boring that doesn't mean everyone else is
Now I just want a whole episode of you telling stories from the Titanic. That was an amazing segment!
A Drinking History episode where Max makes a cocktail from the period and regales us with recounted tales of that night.
Two observations: 1) you know you are in for a treat when Max is so excited he is doing a whole month plus bonus episodes, I cannot wait for the next episode!!! and 2) from about a minute in when you get a glimpse of 'cabin biscuits' on the menu my spidey-senses were tingling and I was just waiting for that hardtack clip, haha!
honestly this channel is one of the best things on youtube, I can't get enough of it. thanks for being super duper
I try to get hardtack in wherever I can 🤣
Me too! The Hardtack is always a must!
@@TastingHistory hardtack is the most persistent food.
@@TastingHistory Clacking hard tack. The home made B-roll that keeps on giving. ;)
@@TastingHistory and we love you for it!
This is not just about meals, but about everything on board the ship. A very comprehensive video, carefully made.
Two thoughts:
Having read many books about immigration to America in times close to Titanic I had always assumed that the third class passengers brought and prepared their own food as other passages had demanded of the third class.
And another is that my grandmother made what she called rice gruel, which except for spicing, was nearly identical to your soup for me when I was sick or just feeling glum. She was born almost exactly two years after the sinking. I hadn't really remembered it since she's been gone 35 years, so thank you for that.
I bet tasting the dish would bring back some strange memories
If you want to find out more about the titanic look up "Titanic Honor and Glory". They both have a TH-cam channel with Info videos and are also recreating the entire ship as a video game that is free to download. It is absolutely stunning when you walk down Scotland Road, peak into the third class staircase, or go to the turkish bath - all for free.
My dear Irish grandmother, we called her Nana was born in 1906. She made us a marvellous bread pudding. I don't think she ever prepared the rice dish, which is fortunate, because whatever she prepared on top of the stove she inevitably burned. She was a very active buisness woman and her idea of cooking was to put a pot on a high heat and mostly abandon it to it's fate. We went to eat at someone's house and they prepared pot roast (one of Nana's most frequent dinners) and we asked our mother why it was brown instead of black. We were hurriedly hushed. 🤣. ah memories.
@@jacquespoulemer3577 😁😁😁
Here's a bit of Titanic trivia for the day. The first telegraphed distress call from the Titanic is believed to have been received in Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. The message was lost for many years but was eventually found stuffed in a wall as makeshift insulation. It's now on display in the Graveyard of the Atlantic Museum.
I'll add to that:
When Captain Smith first ordered the sending out of distress signals, the telegraph operators used "CQD," the distress message that'd been standard for years. After several attempts without response, one of the men suggested using the new message, "SOS."
Titanic was the first ship to use the new "SOS" distress message in history.
@@sarahgilliss3503 The crewman who suggested using SOS survived but sadly the crewman who sent it did not.
@@sarahgilliss3503 It might be the first, but it's also possible that the SS Slavonia, which was wrecked in 1909, sent out an SOS message. (Everyone on that ship survived, for the record.)
Pretty cool trivia honestly. From everyone.
@@sarahgilliss3503 And another bit of trivia (although not trivial at all to radio people): I saw in one movie where the Captain said that CQD meant "come quickly, distress." It doesn't.
Also widely misunderstood is that SOS stands for "save our ship" or "save our souls." It doesn't.
Long Story, without getting too technical or pedantic, from an Old Guy who learned Morse way back in the Cub Scouts: CQ is probably the most common code in radio. CQ means "calling anyone who can hear me." Sort of like "Breaker, breaker" in those old truck movies from the '70s. CQ CQ CQ DX for example would mean "calling anyone distant who can hear me." Usually a call begins with CQ CQ CQ de (sender's name code). There's the problem with using CQD as a call for help. For Titanic, a normal call would have been: CQ CQ CQ de MGY MGY. The very common call "CQ de..." has the same three letters - CQ D - in the same order as the distress signal. In Morse, it doesn't really stand out enough from normal radio traffic.
So, SOS was proposed. And it's not three distinct letters, like "S, O, S" or "dit-dit-dit (comma) dah-dah-dah (comma) dit-dit-dit." The SOS distress signal is all run together: dit-dit-dit-dah-dah-dah-dit-dit-dit. That does not mean "Save Our Souls" or whatever. The reason SOS was adopted is that the sound of it run together like that, in Morse, is completely unlike any other sound in Morse. It really stands out from routine radio chatter. "Save Our Ship/Souls" was probably just a memory aid for the new code.
For voice radio now that nobody uses Morse anymore, "m'aidez," French for "(you) Help Me" - now Anglicized as Mayday - is the equivalent of SOS.
I can totally understand Bertha's reaction. From my own near-death experience, I can say that there's the initial adrenaline, sure, but even in the days to follow there is the sheer elation at being alive. I think it's amplified if you've acquitted yourself honorably in the situation.
It's like being reborn and having a new appreciation of life, I'd imagine.
"Lay down, lad, you are somebody's child"
This really made me cry.. What an angel of a woman
Thank you for these 🙏🙌
In december you should do an 'Agatha Christie Christmas' month. In her autobiography (that everyone should read because it's the best thing she ever wrote!) she describes the Christmas dinners as a child with her extended family. Talk about a lot of food! A roast turkey AND a boiled one, other meat dishes, a fish dish, vegetables, etc., etc... She 'recreated' those dinners in her Poirot story 'Adventure of the Christmas Pudding' just because, as she said, she had so loved those childhood dinners from a time when people had large houses run by servants and dinner parties the like we will never see again.
That sounds amazing!
Oooh I need to look into this. Love her!
Also known as an "Agatha Christmas", right?
@@1789Henrique Agatha Christie-mas!
Oh my gosh yes please!
Loved seeing this. My 4th great Uncle was on Titanic and survived. He was a first class passenger and helped save lives. The horror those people felt is unimaginable. Thank you for your research and recreations and stories.
Wow! How incredible!! I would have LOVED to hear the story from someone who was THERE! How incredibly lucky!
I've always wondered if being of wealth back then is able to carry on generations, if you don't mind would you say your family is still well off?
Hmm.
@@dilanelysium5118 it's called generational wealth.
That hard tack joke never gets old. Love this series on the Titanic, and especially I love seeing tea menus! My friend and I have tea about once a month complete with scones, savory sandwiches and tiny sweet cakes and I'm always looking for new ideas.
When I’m not looking during the “CLACK-CLACK” i always have to rewind because Max’s expression is priceless
I'm from Finland, a place of about 5.5 million and to discover that one of the only four languages that were used to print out the menu's was Finnish is somewhat surprising, but then again we had a lot of people leaving to USA at that time to chase their dreams so it makes sense! All together 63 Finnish people were on board of Titanic on that fateful night, which of probably only a few knew English, at least well enough.
Dude I was obsessed with the titanic when I was in elementary school.
At that point they had just discovered the Titanic on the ocean floor and there was tons of buzz about it. I’m still fascinated by the history, the culture, and the lifestyles of people of the past. Thanks again for your hard work :)
Lol dame
lol same. i actually remember accidentally ordering a documentary or something off netflix when it had the weird queue feature. my mother wasn’t too happy about it but happy little accident for me as bob ross would put it lol
I was obsessed for years, partially because my birthday is April 14th, the night the Titanic hit the iceberg. We did a big unit on the Titanic in school for the hundredth anniversary of the sinking and it fell on my twelfth birthday which was exiting for me. I also had a massive crush on Kate Winslet at the time so that was another reason lol.
Me too, I remember watching the videos of the scientist using the robots to explore the wreckage. I found the footage eerie yet fascinating.
Me too! I loved the way the ship looked
It’s so sad thinking of how all of those people just wanted a better life. This is probably the most intriguing tragedy in my opinion, but so incredibly heartbreaking. Thank you for all of this information and for this series. It’s incredibly satiating
Intriguing how even in a humbling experience like a sink sinking in freezing water, people are still selfish and heartless worrying about social status and not human life.
I can imagine Bertha was high on adrenaline after experiencing such a trauma. But then I can also imagine that the sight of such a ship, 45° in the air before breaking in half and sinking WOULD be quite the memory for anyone, but especially if the most exciting thing you might have seen your whole life at that point was a coin trick from a visiting magician lol.
Very excited for this month! Titanic is one of my pet historical events and I always love learning more about it!
It's also possible Bertha thought everyone had survived at that point.
The true horror didn't really come out until they reached port.
There was also some first-class passengers that took photos of them and the other persons on their lifeboat, not really seeming to realized how innapropriate it was among all the mourning people on the boat (as many women had lost their husbands ^^').
@@krankarvolund7771 First class passengers taking photos in the lifeboat would come across as asinine and outrageous for all kinds of reasons not immediately apparent today. One of which would be them even having a camera there at all. This was 1912, they weren't exactly taking photos with a smartphone they carried in their pocket - a camera was a big bulky affair and shot onto glass plates which were bulky and heavy. Them even having the camera in the lifeboat would come across as callous since the camera by itself could have taken up the space that could have been taken by another passenger.
@@Bloodgod40 I don't recall it was their camera, even them would not be stupid enough to take that on a lifeboat, they took photos on the boat that rescued them, th Carpathia, probably with the camera of a passenger there ^^
I may have missed it, but I did want to point out that the 3rd class food on the titanic would’ve been an AMAZING meal for some of the least fortunate.
This is often overlooked! Titanic was fancy and how better to show that then by even feeding "the poor" better than most cheaper ships were offering for 2nd class.
We have to keep in mind though that if it cost 2 months wages to even get on the ship + not being able to work while on it, even the poorest on the ship were probably the better off among the less fortunate of the time
Please, please talk some more about the RMS Carpathia and what Rostron did to get her to the survivors! The Carpathia, her captain, and all the people on her who didn't hesitate to do their part - they deserve to be remembered.
There's a great account of Rostron and the Carpathia in Walter Lord's classic A Night to Remember (the book, not the movie). Rostron wrote his memoirs, too. Best thing: Mrs J.J. Brown (the Unsinkable Molly Brown) gave medals to him and all his crew.
Yes!
YES! A CARPATHIA SHIP MENU WOW! GREAT IDEA!
As a Finn myself, i was quite surprised to find out that the Titanic menu was also written in Finnish, not a thing that you come across much back in the early 1900's outside of, of course, Finland.
I would be more surprised if the second and first class menus were in Finnish and swedish. I believe there was a lot of emigration from scandinavia to the US at the time. Quick google indicates 55/708 third class were Finnish, 4/283 second class, and no Finns travelling first class. Finns were fifth largest nationality in third class, after british, irish, swedish and surprisingly, syrians.
Lots of Finns migrated to the US during that period.
Are you a Huck Finn or just a regular Finn?
@@DominicNJ73 Absolutely a bogstandard Finn, i swim in frozen lakes during the winter, every friday i relax in a sauna with an ale or a long gin in hand, and i love spending time outdoors
I know right, definitely surprising. I wonder how Finns ended up on the Titanic back in those days.
Too bad it doesn't seem there's a picture of those Finnish Titanic menus available online, would've liked to read some...
It's always really interesting to know there were accounts of the ship breaking apart but because a lot of them were third class accounts for a long while historians didn't believe that it actually happened until they were able to find the wreckage. I remember so many documentaries where that was a huge question and debate.
Typical. Poor people can't be trusted in their opinions I guess.
I mean i get the argument for elitism, but as science goes, you can’t really trust a testimony from an irish sheperd in shock who never been on a boat before
@@cleopad5 This is absolutely a factor, but the main issue is simply that Second Officer Lightoller said it didn't break up. Since Charles Lightoller was the senior surviving officer, it was generally assumed that he would have the best understanding of what happened (and in fairness, he got a lot of the rest of it right).
@@stevenotch7324 sorry but that is ridiculous. People know what they see and experience. We did the same thing in WWII. The polish gov warned the USA/Europe about what was happening but since it came from a poor country no one believed it until the liberated Poland and other areas and saw it for themselves. It's Nonesense!
@@mellie4174 bruh what does poland have to do with this lmao polish people man
Imagine being the badass who knows you’re sinking, knows you’re doomed, and all you care about is making your child’s last few moments happy….that is breathtakingly beautiful
Wouldn't be happy to be on a sinking ship in the North Atlantic surrounded by icebergs, I'd be more happy to have survived that night while so many died....
What's so badass about being dead ??
RIGHT ON!
@@Black-Rat : YOU missed the point of @joshuapatrick's COMPLIMENT to the the woman and saved child.
Bertha sounded like she was shocked, but also had her survival instinct kicked on. Like she felt happiness because despite all odds, she managed to survive through something awful.
it’s very interesting. it’s like she had the opposite of survivor’s guilt.
It sounds to me like the adrenaline rush simply hadn't worn off, and that she probably would have had a terrible "crash" not long afterward.
She just experienced a cinematic experience no wonder she was so excited
Tbh it would be cool to see a massive ship sink that aggressive just without all the death, obviously that's not good.
Yeah Bertha was just in shock. In the letter, my interpretation of it is that she was just happy she had survived such a big tragedy. I’m sure she wasn’t happy to see that much death.
I am a genealogist from Sweden who lately was looking at my ancestors who traveled to the US, only to discover a father who went there. After a few years he sent for his wife and 4 children to join him as he had found a place to work and rented a home for them to live in.
So the mother and the 4 children got tickets to cross the ocean in Titantic as third class passengers.
Sadly, he died of the sorrow of loosing his family in that catastrophic event. He blamed himself for ever going to the US at all by that point.
It's so strange to find connections between ancestors and these known events and catastrophe that took place, makes everything seem so much more real.
Thank you for doing this video, it gave me a glimps of what it was like for the mother and the 4 children who passed away.
Blog it
That's tragic.
Genuinely curious: you stated that this man lost all of his children, so it's impossible for him to have been your ancestor? How does that work?
@phantomkate6 he's not one of my ancestors, but my ancestor mentioned him when they asked him where he is heading in the US. They knew each other back in Sweden, most likely childhood friends because they came from the same village.
You become curious of these people once you start searching for them, who they were, what were their morals, who were they with, what did they do.. like a giant jigsaw puzzle but the pieces are hidden.
@@HatchikoAnon Ok now that makes sense! The way it's written, it could be interpreted that you descended from a ghost.
The way that girl described how she felt after the sinking is exactly how most veterans feel about war. They're not necessarily happy but nonetheless they got to experience something epic they would never forget.
it was 100% a coping mechanism for her after living through that for sure
Probably an endorphin rush that commonly comes after a high stress situation.
I am a combat veteran. I 100% get Bertha's vibe. No it isn't a coping mechanism. People react to certain situations differently, and of course there are going to be a group of people that thought it was fun as hell. If the event is so appalling, why are so many people still drawn to it a century later? Why are movies made about it? Why are people paid to reenact the most gory and tragic details? The entertainment value of such events are undeniable.
I wonder if that's how some people get addicted to that feeling?
@@willdavis3802 dude are you a resident of retardville? Look at the comment above yours💀
Bertha was one of those people that laugh when confronted with such things. Shock is a funny thing. She was just glad to have survived such a terrible experience. But I also think she has seen some shit in her life that was as bad or maybe even worse. I dunno. But this was a great episode and I am glad to have found it in my playlist. Thank you Max for such an incredible revisiting of the great and late Titanic.
Bertha Mulvihill, as you mentioned in the last part of this video, was the grandmother of a good friend of mine that I met while working temporarily in Philadelphia back in 2008. He has written extensively about her, being born just before she died, and has recently published a book about her life. As I recall she had sailed to Ireland to visit family and was coming back onboard the Titanic, en route to Rhode Island to plan her wedding shortly thereafter. Unlike most survivors she told her daughter everything that happened in very great detail, which was then told to Mark as he was growing up in Providence in the ‘50s and ‘60s. His mother’s memories of her mother’s journey that began that night were extremely prodigious and it’s worth noting that Bertha lived long enough to raise a family and see her first grandchild, which most passengers in 3rd class would not survive to see the next light of day. If you are interested in reading the story it was written by Mark Petteruti, and can be found on the website for Botanica in Provincetown, Massachusetts. He would also be thrilled at hearing any memories you may have of relatives that sailed aboard Titanic, so tell him that Jameson sent you. Thanks again for this wonderful video!
I'm surprised to see that the third class accommodations on the Titanic were relatively luxurious given the times. Really goes to show that even for the "least desirable" customers, White Star still wanted to provide a top quality service.
The Third class was their main source of income. White Star figured out by behaving better with third class passengers they can profit significantly compared to other liners. Probably one of the first instances of market research.
If only flights thought the same way...
It probably worked well for their reputation.
Yeah, I think that's something we kind of lose sight of, with the disaster clouding our perception of the whole event. For a lot of the third-class passengers, the accommodations would have been luxurious compated to what they were accustomed to. If the sinking hadn't exposed the classist flaws in the planning that allowed such a high number of deaths, it probably would have gone down as a wonderful ship for the time.
It doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, it's just interesting to look at it from a more contemporary perspective.
@@hellsingmongrel
The biggest flaw was in the regulations for lifeboats, lifejackets and similar equipment, which was extremely outdated. The legislation was written for wooden vessels that mostly stayed close to the coast and other vessels, and that tended to spend their nights in port.
This was, by far, one of the best episodes of “Tasting history…”. I love the way Max Miller tells us the stories, they’re full of life, emotions,…and food.
My son has always been super fascinated with the Titanic so when we were fortunate enough to visit Belfast, we went to the Titanic museum. Very highly recommend.
When a "historian" has a better way of describing tastes than the top 5 "foodtubers", who usually go "oh this is nice" as their most prosaic taste description.
Well done Sir.
Isn’t he a foodtuber to though?
@@theAverageJoe25 He is, but a very high quality one.
who are those top 5 "foodtubers"?
Where is the list of the top foodtubers?
Lmao 🤣 right
Regarding the 13,000 grapefruit, their thick rind helps protect them from time and rough handling, so they'll stay fresh and edible in a ship's hold longer than most other produce. When you've been asea for a while without replenishing your refrigerated stores, grapefruit's often the only thing available to eat that doesn't come out of a can. I deployed to sea twice in the Navy, and while asea I learned to love them.
Just add sugar. Sugar makes it all better.
Makes sense! I'd imagine after a long travel on sea, some grapefruit would sound great
@@jamLP The important thing to know about grapefruit is that the white pithy membrane surrounding the fruit segments is the part that's unpalatably bitter. Most people eat grapefruit with a spoon, but this is a mistake. The best way to eat grapefruit is to peel it into wedges much like you would an orange. If you peel off most of the white pithy membrane, you don't need sugar. Get rid of the bitter bits and grapefruit is surprisingly sweet and delicious.
@@bartolomeothesatyr yeah I know that. But some of us still aren't the biggest grapefruit fans. But if you pour sugar on it, I'll eat it
I had to look up 'asea', having at first assumed it was an autocorrect failure or a misspelling. Today I learned a new word.
"The menu was printed in German, English, Finnish and Swedish"
Nice piece of historical information there, people even in Finland usually don't really understand how big the immigration wave to the US and Canada was 120ish years ago.
Due to the industrial expansion, I have read corporations advertised for immigrants to increase their labor force.
Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan.
That explains why there are so many people of Finnish descent in the prairie provinces.
My great grandma came to the US from Finland around this time when she was a child (not on the Titanic) and ended up settling in Minnesota. Lots of people around that area have similar stories.
@@tomahawkgaming5226 My great grandfather went to Minnesota when he was a young. He got angry at his own father, lended money from neighbors and left the farm to Minnesota.
My father would occasionally serve a simple rice (or rissoni) and stock soup on Christian fasting days. When we, as children, asked what it was called, he replied "Harry". Throughout the subsequent generations we all make Harry for our families and call it as such. Delicious with crusty bread and good memories.
Fun fact: Despite the common claim, Titanic did in fact fulfill regulations regarding lifeboats at the time, actually, it carried more than double the lifeboats required. The reason for why so few lifeboats were required was twofold:
1: The regulations, which based the necessary numbers on passenger capacity, were outdated. Rather than requiring the lifeboats based on some kind of formula, they instead had categories that said a ship that can carry at least X but no more than Y people needs at least Z lifeboats. The problem with this, of course, was that the Titanic really earned that name. It was massive for the time. So massive, in fact, regulations put her in the "Everything above X" class, since noone had conceived of a ship this big when the regulations were written.
2: Even if the regulations had been up to date, they did not require ship to carry enough lifeboats for everyone, but only about 30%. The idea was that, if an SOS was sent, the lifeboats would ferry passengers to nearby ships, which would themselves also use their own lifeboats to rescue as many passengers as they could. Of course, tragically, this didn't happen, as noone had thought about the fact that ships could sink at night, and the radio operator needs to sleep as well.
When the regulations were made, apparently most ships docked at night so there was really no reason to write anything for it.
How times change but regulations stay the same
@@saber2802 lol you can't dock at night when crossing the ocean. Even today it takes 5 days.
As to point 1 the regs weren’t based on passenger capacity they were based on gross tonnage, if I remember correctly the X figure was 15,000 tons so Titanic was more than 3 times that size.
2 Titanic survived for a surprisingly long time after hitting the iceburg but was only able to launch 18 of her 20 boats. Even if she had had life boats for everyone chances are that she wouldn’t have been able to get them away. Lusitania and Britannic both had enough boats for every soul onboard neither got even half of them away.
Also as it was there were only 4 navigating officers left on Titanic when she sank. The survival rate for deck crew was very high mainly due to the need to crew boats and even stokers had a good chance if they got to the boat deck. Ideally a boat would have had 2 deck crew to manage it and 4 stokers to pull oars. You were always dependent on the emergency signals if Titanic had not had a radio most of those in the boats would have been lost. Only one or two of the boats were being handled in a way that would give you any hope that they could have made Canada (the boats were provisioned for a 3 or 4 day journey) which was the only option if Carpathia hadn’t been on the way.
yeah, it's a fact that somewhat levels the classist behaviour down. i mean, it was shurley be there, but less malevolent since the plan was that another ship would show up to rescue the passengers and they would go back, i mean, that's why most of the boats wherent full, they where overconfident and therefore careless.
You also have to keep in mind that the north atlantic route did see some heavy traffic in the day, and that's where the idea stems from, that another ship is always near by
@@enisra_bowman Yeah. Titanic is an example of a truly worst-case scenario. Everything that could've gone wrong, did. The crew did their absolute best, and the ship itself survived longer than it had any right to.
I had no idea what "swedish bread" was, and being Swedish i had to look it up, turns out it's knäckebröd (crispbread). Now i know!
Me, on the other hand did not know that those Menus were also translated to Swedish and Finnish - being from Finland. 😃 Lots of immigrants traveling those days....
Funny, in German it's "Knäckebrot"
In France, what we call "pain suédois" is not knäckebröd, but tunnbröd XD
Knäckebröd is known in France as Wasa bread ^^
Swedish Bread, I'd be expecting a bread singing Waterloo or Euphoria.
“Lay down lad. You’re SOMEBODIES child.”
Powerful words there.
I love your style of historical interjections. There are good and bad truths of history, neither can be fully understood in our times now, being how removed we are from those who experienced life as they did even just 100 years ago. You've a true talent for the gift of gab and gentle honesty. Thank you for your hard work.
The meals given to the Third Class, particularly for their time, are almost unbelievably generous. Then factor in the allotments made to accommodate Kosher guests and it's nearly breathtaking.
I like your username
"Generous" is the wrong word. "Luxurious" is more accurate. They were paying handsomely for the privilege of being on that ship, even in third class. Let's not frame the food included with their ticket price as some huge act of charity.
I mean, you're paying two months of salary for two weeks of travel, the least they can do is feed you accordingly XD
As for kosher guests, there was a lot of jewish immigration, so it's logical to propose them services. A few decades later, the Normandie (large french ship in the same style as the Titanic) even built a Synagogue on the ship XD
I'm so glad you included the last firsthand account! That's a really interesting trauma reaction from a psych perspective. One of the things we've figured out by studying the way trauma has been traditionally treated is that the majority of people actually do better if you wait a couple of weeks after the traumatic event before you start doing therapeutic interventions. It seems our brains already have some mechanisms built-in to cope with traumatic events, and that it's best to let whatever those processes are work on their own for a bit before adding therapy. Maybe this is one of those processes at work pumping some extra happy brain chemicals out?
Feelings of excitement and euphoria could also be related to the passenger's near brush with death; maybe a particularly strong expression of adrenaline-related effects? What an interesting historical case study a set of writings like that would make!
It just doesn’t seem that odd to me.
If you were a passenger who was quickly ushered onto a lifeboat (ie: a woman in first class) you would have been in little danger, you would have had little stress (ie: no decision making, just being directed), and unlike your normal care-free boring life as a woman, this would have been mad exciting.
We don’t only have different reactions to trauma, we also have different criteria for qualified as trauma.
We can only guess/make assumptions about the character of this woman. Let’s just remember to not put too much stock in those assumptions unless we have significant deduction in their confirmation.
Myself? I think I’d have likely responded the way she did. Though with a more modern understanding that third class people are in fact real human beings who deserve some empathy (and would have added such sentiments in a letter).
She got a story to tell for the rest of her life.
@@theouthousepoet i suppose she may not have realized just how extensive the suffering was, or didnt care... and instead was just elated that she survived.
Even if she didn't do much besides listen to instructors to get through it, she would have had that "im alive!" Reaction some people get when they have a brush with death.
Or she was a futurist and death, technology, accelerationism, and apathy were just part of a good time. Futurism being the movement popular in england and italy at the time, not the modern idea of idealistic sci fi.
This was also my impression - it's almost like she's in shock at the realization that she's alive after everything that happened, and she hasn't yet heard or processed the amount of people who died.
I suffer from hysterical laughter and this sounds like my way of coping with bad stress. I just feel giddy and I cannot stop laughing
Maybe Bertha was just so relieved to have been on the rescue boat. I’d be pretty euphoric as well. Along with horrified, guilty, heartbroken, and afraid. To be in that life boat watching the titanic sink in-front of your eyes had to be one horrifyingly awestricken sight. No matter what she was feeling, I’m glad you included the letter!
And chances are high no one knew the magnitude of the disaster when she wrote the letter
I admit it. I'm addicted to this series. Not only is it fun to see historical dishes made in the present, but also the splendor of the ship itself, and the lives of the people who experienced it, and, of course, lived to tell their tales. I wonder if there's maybe a virtual tour of the ship out there, where one could take a peek into the most famous shipwreck in the world.
I totally forgot that VR is a thing. I don't have a device, though.
Fun Titanic trivia: despite the unfortunate accident with the iceberg, that class of ship was ridiculously tough --- there was a reason she was thought to be unsinkable. The Titanic's sister ship, the Olympic, was refitted as a troopship in the second world war, and at one point was attacked by a U-boat; the Olympic sunk it... by ramming. Later the Olympic managed to sink a _second_ ship, although unfortunately that one was a friendly lightship.
There was a woman who was on both ships when they sank, and survived both, can't decide if she was the luckiest or unlukiest person alive
@@andreaslind6338 the woman was lucky... The ships were the unlucky ones!
@@KickyFut nah, she clearly caused both to sink
@@KickyFut right on sista!
It wasn't WW2 Olympic served in WW1
And the "Woman's" name was Violet Jessop She served on board Olympic when it collided with the HMS Hawke in 1911, Titanic when she sunk in 1912, AND Britannic when she went down in 1916
I can't imagine being on the ship as it was sinking with my child and knowing we didn't have a chance to get into a life boat and my daughter having no idea what was about to happen. I hope their last moments together were happy ones. And honestly, I probably would have done the samething that mother did. Sit at the piano with my daughter. She loves to play musical instruments.
So, you wouldn't think about your husband at all?
It literally breaks my heart hearing that.. I read your comment as soon as that part of the video was playing and my heart sunk.. to just think about when the water comes in and the poor baby clinging to her mother as they drowned together and absolutely nothing could be done.. I hope they passed of hypothermia rather than drowning I couldn’t imagine my poor baby drowning.. omg my heart.
Their last moments were nothing more than utter terror as the cabin they were in filled with icy water and they struggled to breath their last breaths.
Alright you got me crying again damn it 😂😢😢😢
@@Michelle-pn9xt Thats a really weird thing to say, she's empathizing with the woman who was all alone with her child, we don't know if she was even with a husband let alone what happened to him if she was. Why would you assume they wouldn't think of them merely for soothing their child, who's right there in front of them?
Man. Just imagine how much more ice cream they could've packed if they'd left the grapefruit behind!
Totally stoked about Titanic month! Can't wait for the next episode!
is stoked a steamship pun?
In the end, I don't think they needed anymore ice
Don't worry, they got a lot, and I mean a lot, of free ice afterwards.
@@nqh4393 I love dark humour.
Haha, that Bertha letter..she must have wanted Maud to not worry herself..or she used sarcasm at expert level. Pretty neat how you can basically time travel with food..and smells and music.
To me the emotions this woman was feeling is the same reason why people watch 9/11 videos of the plane crashing. We know there are dozens, if not hundreds of people that die on that initial impact, but it's hard to take your eyes away because of the spectacle that is a plane crashing. For her, in an era where such spectacles were only read about and maybe a painting or picture, to witness a gigantic ship raise up into the air, break in half and sink down into the water must have been something. And the whole part where she said she was glad to have seen it? It's just like in modern times where some people will even lie about having witnessed those planes crash in person and recount the experience at any chance they get, even if they don't want to admit it they were glad to be part of that experience.
I enjoy the accuracy and depth of your historic discussion. Too many that talk of history do so incredibly inaccurately, exaggerative, and insert modern judgements and arguments. It's immensely refreshing to get this genuine love of the study of history and breakdown and it's good to learn these old recipes. I am genuinely excited for these episodes. The general period is one I like to learn about, and the Titanic has such a status behind it for a reason.
Interestingly, the comfort aspect of sea travel had improved so dramatically in half a century that a third-class passenger on the Titanic (pre-iceberg) would have typically had a much more enjoyable voyage than a first class passenger on any ship 50 years earlier. The cuisine offered in Titanic's third class actually sounds fairly appetizing.
The hardtack clip literally NEVER gets old. 😂
I hear they used those hard tack clacks for the Law & Order scene transitions
Sort of like the hard tack.
@@andreaslind6338 The clip, or to eat it? I grew up calling Wasa bread, "hard tack," and I love it, but it's not hard tack like Max does hard tack. LOL
@@auntlynnie the hard tack.. Don't know what wasa bread is, though
@@andreaslind6338 Ah. It's a Swedish flat crispbread (knäckebröd). Almost never goes stale. Great with a bit of butter and pickled herring with a bit of dill. Or peanut butter & jam. Or buttered and dipped in tomato soup. I don't personally like it by itself... it needs at least some butter.
I have immensely enjoy all of your Titanic vids!
Thank you!!!
If you consult the schematic of the ship, you will find that those large iron gates did not separate 3rd class from the rest of the ship. Smaller waist high gates were used. The large gates were used to keep passengers out of important areas of the ship, like Engineering. No one was actually "Locked" in Titanic when she went down as the small gates were easily openable or you could just jump over them in a rush. The crew in engineer also had ladders and hatches leading straight up through the structure, bypassing those large gates. The "locked gates" thing is just a myth perpetuated by the film.
I also have read the reason the larger gates were locked was partially because of the fire that hade been raging in the coal bunker over the past few days, so they definitely didn't want curious passengers wandering down there to see a show. But those gates would have led them deeper into the ship, not towards an exit.
I heard the gates were used for 3rd class passengers to exit at an island for immigration before the other passengers in 2nd and 1st class
@@TerMau01 There was a gate separating 3rd class, but again, it was small, about 3 feet high and immediately unlocked when it became obvious that the ship was going down, locked by some asshole, then the lock broken to prevent it being locked again. The only barrier between 3rd class and survival was human. Men, especially 3rd class were prevented from boarding the boats. Women in children but particularly, higher class ticket women and children were priority.
It should be noted that a lot of men flat out refused to board the boats. They figured they could wait it out until another ship (The Carpathia) arrived. In a way, the ship itself was supposed to act as a liferaft while sinking and it was common for women to board the lifeboats while men waited it out on board, but that's an extremely flawed 19th century idea.
The barriers between classes inside the ship were unlocked wooden doors, not gates.
@@steven95N I remember that the families of the Titanic crew shown in the film were _extremely upset_ by their portrayal in the film --- it showed them in a very bad light and a lot of it was, as you say, completely made up for dramatic purposes.
Interesting. So much was put into the film production, to have everything absolutely accurate. (Even the "Couer de la Mer" necklace seems to have been real as it was kept under guard during filming, according to a relative who worked on the film.) Then it seems a major part was dramatized.
Can I just say congratulations on the amount of views this has received since it's been posted ? Honestly kind of phenomenal considering how many people claim to find history boring, thank you for making my favorite subject less nerdy to talk about ☺️😋
Such a great reaction, I'm over the moon
History is amazing! I live and work on the Wirral in the UK at a place called Port Sunlight where Lord Leverhulme manufactured sunlight soap. The factory still does today and he built the beautiful village for his employees who came from Victorian slums to live in. Please google it because it is absolutely beautiful and a fascinating look into the past. The original factory has changed abit but we all look at old pictures and can see the actual rooms we work in by the architecture of the original ceilings and doors. We are a short bus ride away from Cammell Laird ship yard where some of titanic was built and Birkenhead where the blue prints were drawn up. it’s all still here 😊
The Titanic is one of those events in history that has transcended many generations and created much curiosity along the way......
I've read much on the subject, watched many documentaries, as well as viewed the prominent movies on the subject over and over. Some would call me a fanatic!😉
History is definitely boring to learn UNLESS you have someone like this making it fun and entertaining to learn… sit me in any other history lesson and I wouldn’t learn shit. All about delivery
I'm so happy for this series. I have lived in Northern Ireland for nearly 20 years, and it is home to me now. The Titanic lore here is very important, and the yellow Harland and Wolfe cranes are an iconic symbol of the shipyard where the Titanic was built. This is fascinating, I'm looking forward to the other episodes.
Yea the H&W cranes have become such an icon of Belfast itself, I went to the Titanic Quarter MET campus and only starting to appreciate now how scenic my daily walk down to it was now that i'm older.
I subscribed and I am telling all of my kith and kin about your amazing channel.......I totally support your work.
I think I can explain the lady who was seemingly happy that she had been in the Titanic disaster.
I’m a combat veteran (a former infantry combat medic), I’ve survived many close brushes with death, and there is an extreme period of euphoria that some people experience after surviving a situation that could’ve easily killed you.
Some of the best days of my life were days that I barely escaped serious injury or death.
I'm amazed at the sheer amount and quality of food served in the Third Class. Not to mention porcelain and linen. Most people traveling Third Class must have thought they were living in a dream. Then again, if I have to pay a thousand bucks for a transantlantic travel, I'd insist on having decent tablewear and good food, too
Same. I didn't realize just how extravagant the third-class experience on the Titanic was - because I didn't even think of comparing it to the typical voyages of the day. These "third-class" passengers must have thought they were being treated like kings. I mean, I wasn't expecting linen and all that fine china - I was expecting a mess hall, not table service. Not sure I'd handle a lack of bath access but all that food... I didn't expect that for third-class. Fascinating.
People with full tummies are less likely to complain or make trouble. 😋
That's some great menu, if you ask me. Honestly, you don't need a hundred ingredients to make good food. Jacket potatoes with smoked herring? Fresh bread and butter? Sign me up!
Yeah, l was expecting him to say they ate only hard tack and badly boiled potatoes, but they were eating better than me on an average week! And it sounds kinda apperazing (and less stomach cramp inducing than most food in 1st class)
A couple of the times we've toured the Queen Mary in the Long Beach harbor, we've found displays of the old serving ware as well as models of the various ships. The classism is astounding but those ships were certainly beauties. Thanks for this with the experiences of survivors in their own words - fantastic stuff.
I love visiting the Queen Mary! I just imagine I’m on Titanic.
My husband worked for Luckenbach Lines in SF in the late fifties, before they went out of business. We used some of their silverplate place settings for years.
@@TastingHistory I hear the Queen Mary needs a lot of money to be restored. Perhaps you could put a word in one of your episodes?
I genuinely thought I knew everything there was to know about Titanic, but you successfully managed to teach me a lot I didn't know. Brilliant video
I’m intrigued by the rice soup…at a passing glance it seems almost like a working class risotto!
Or congee
@@janicehammersmith4728 that too!
Sounds like risotto with more water lol
technically a chicken rice porridge..
I make this in winter at my cabin.
I add frozen vegetables. I call it Cabin soup. ( I bring cooked by my wife rice from home .
Brown rice adds protein.
Bravo on the white star line dishes! They added even more depth to the episode and I can't wait for what else is to come in Titanic month. Have you thought of doing an episode(s) on Henry Flagler and the meals available to his guests in his high end Florida hotels and passenger trains?
I was delighted to see the dishes, too! I'd love a story of how Max came to have a set.
I add my vote for that!
"Lay down lad, you are someone's child"
God, that is Saintly sounding.
Heartbreaking
Talk about a tear jerker of an episode here on Tasting History. The reality of what happened to so many people, fellow humans, that night is beyond tragic. Great episode.
I normally notice Jose's Pokémon choice immediately when the video starts, but for some reason it took me until you were actually eating the soup to register that he'd picked a Regice for this one... It feels somehow appropriate to not notice that until it's almost too late, as much as this is going to sound like a really horrible joke.
Same, I just noticed it at the very end
The pattern holds up!
Regice....huehuehuehuehuehuehue
the background pokemon are just another element to what makes this channel so good.
I'm honestly impressed with how many pokemon plushies he has especially the more obscure ones. Pikachu or Eevee are a dime a dozen. But where does one get a Regice one?
The 3rd class food though are a lot simpler are just as exciting for me! It’s interesting to see the disparity of the food served between classes.
Ooh, a month? I can't wait!!! I've pored over the Titanic's menus a few times, and the Hindenburg's, and one or two others... *OK, I might have an unhealthy food obsession there...* ❤️
The Hindenburg menu?! I need to find that one.
@@TastingHistory Please do, it will be interesting.
@@TastingHistory Looks as if my second attempt disappeared, too, at some point. *Just search "Lunch and Dinner Menus from the Hindenburg’s Last Flight" and you'll find it! 🙂 (You can also get some of the Lusitania's menu with the exact phrase "The last meals before the sinking of the Lusitania".)*
I'm with Max on this one. The Hindenberg! I feel it's really sad that dirigibles aren't the way to travel these days. I mean, it's a combination of air and ship travel, really. Although, with everyone in such a rush to get somewhere, a leisurely trip to the destination is relegated to cruise ships, which are the vacation. The ports of call are small distractions.✌😸
#if it shoots send it 🇺🇦
I've always thought that the Hindenburg was full of hot air.
"Lie down child, you are someone's child." How kind, may God bless her.
Thrilled you're doing this series, Max! My late father was fascinated by the Titanic, so I grew up hearing these stories. This was back before the internet, and I distinctly remember how long it took him to find out what a 'duck press' was! I shall think of my dad while I watch, he would have loved this ♥
Just found your channel. I have to admit, at first I thought “this looks ‘meh’ but I’m bored so I’ll try it for a minute or two.” At this point I’ve watched 5 straight videos and I’m so glad I stumbled onto your channel. History, food, and an interesting narrator- can’t ask for more.
First off, I am a fan of the show, and as someone with a degree in history, it is essential to learn just dates and events and learn the day in the life of a person at any point in history. Especially learning what different groups or civilizations ate and drank. As for sleeping towards the ship's bow as a Navy veteran who was stationed on an aircraft carrier, the best sleep I got was on the ship from rocking; however, it sucked when aircraft were launching and landing.
The horrifying thing is the remaining standing gates of the Titanic wreck are still locked to this day.😨
Heartbreaking to hear about the mother singing to her child at the piano when she knew they were going to die. RIP🙏
No gate was closed to keep the passengers down during the sinking, per accounts of thrid class survivors who were interviewed about the sinking during the investigations. Also third class passengers were not the only ones thinking nothing serious was going on, there are many accounts among the survivors about people refusing to go out on deck and to the boats, maritime history to that day had show often more deaths at sea on boats than in the sinking ship itself, like the case of SS Valencia, all boats were launched with all women and children, all of them died none of the boats survived, while the men that stayed behind did survive. The titanic baker had to literaly force first class comen and children to go out to the boat deck and get in a boat, recounts also tell that Mr Andrews, the Titanic designer also spend much of the sinking going in checking rooms and convincing women to go on to the boats, thats why the first boats left half or barely full, people didnt want to get in.
@@Gabriel26963A third class survivor told of being ordered by ship staff (along with the other large group of 3rd class passengers he was with) to not come up on deck and that they should remain in the 3rd class area until they are called... and that "call" never came. That particular man only survived because he finally decided to ignore their order while the rest of the 3rd class passengers, many who didn't speak English well or at all, listened to staffs orders. So the matter of the locked gate is irrelevant. The 3rd class were forgotten about during the rescue because they were poor.
@@Gabriel26963exactly. This keep the poor locked up came from America...
@@nickd1930course he did nick😂 making it up as you go along . Thats never happened. The only reason first class and second class got on boat's first is because there were closer to the life boats. By then the deck was busy, they needed to keep order and they were not locked in there were some escape routes.
Wow. That letter was an intriguing find. You're absolutely right, at first it seems callous--and we may never be able to discern the real reason she wrote what she did--but if you really think about all the emotions that someone would be going through I think it gives you a pretty good picture of that historical moment. Like if she was just being callous, then it speaks volumes to how impressive and popular the Titanic was; that she would want to capture the moment after realizing how much fame she would get from not only being on the Titanic, but surviving it's eventual sinking. However if she wasn't purposely being callous, then maybe she wrote it to cope with the mix of emotions she was going through. I can't imagine how I would react seeing countless people die in front your eyes, realizing how lucky you are to be rescued. Either way, even though it may seem like a simple letter, the context means so much more.
I think that's why I like history so much. There is often so much more to stories that you can't grasp without things like this. Great find.
I was binging history documentaries recently. What do you think of recreating something from a medieval spice guild's feast in London? They're better documented than peasants and there's so much you could talk about
Lovely video, very interesting and you're engaging as always.
🤔 I need to look this up. If you have a link, I’d love to see it. Tastinghistorycontact@gmail.com
@@TastingHistory I sent it your way, hope you enjoy it
I'd love to see it too because now I'm just curious
@@saber2802 If you have History Hit, check out the Going Medieval mini series
Either it was indeed shock, or Bertha appreciated witnessing and experiencing a sight and event of extremely unique and incredible proportions. In a way you can imagine how seeing such a collossal ship split in two and sink like that would be a truly awe-striking spectacle. It may be that she lived a life of drudgery and normalcy until suddenly she went through something that made her feel truly alive.
I would imagine she was also in the right place at the right time and was never in any real danger, so never experienced the terror of coming to face to face with death.
Well the thing about that is, they couldn’t see anything once the lights went out. It was a moonless night, and if you’ve ever been on the ocean at night with no moon, it is indescribably dark. I work out in the gulf on a supply boat for oil rigs, and looking out at night with no moon feels like being in outer space.
That’s the reason why up until the wreck was discovered, most people thought the ship went down in one piece, because no one was able to see it split in half except maybe those who were very close to it when it happened.
To borrow Viktor Frankl's words: “An abnormal reaction to an abnormal situation is normal behavior.”
Just saw Titanic for the first time ever, watched the remastered edition in Theaters and what an incredible movie! So excited to learn way more about it from all your episodes covering it
yes me too, same!!
This was absolutely exquisite - I was hanging onto every word, you are such a gifted story teller! I can't wait for more episodes of this series 🤓🧐🚢
Thank you for this episode, never knew the menues also were written in swedish and finnish.
This is awesome, Max!!! The titanic has always been a very interesting topic for me. And to get to "experience" how third class was served, is so cool!! Your channel is amazing, bc you learn while you're watching the video, without even realizing it!
Stealth learning is the best kind 😁
@@TastingHistory I absolutely agree!
I agree! The Titanic sinking and White Star Line in general has lots of historical significance. It's especially interesting to me because my great great uncle was a 3rd class passenger of the Titanic. Elon Osen was 16 at the time and he died in the sinking. My grandpa, Elon was his uncle, could never watch the movie because it was too soon, to real, for him even then.