Dining on the Luxury Liner Lusitania
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have you watched any of Fallout? SO MUCH JELLO
TH-cam the "PAID PROMOTION" link on YT thumbnmails is too big and I constantly click it on accident taking me to some useless google help page
Looks like ice cream, but it's a frozen dessert, a pudding.
Great episode! I will give you a great tip on whisking a bowl on the counter when you can't hold the bowl. Use a kitchen towel. Put it in a circle just big enough to fit around the bottom of the bowl. It will help it from not moving. Oh, and I wish you would make a video about the Cajuns. The travel from Nova Scotia with the hardships of the swamp. Remember, they were French, every place in America at the time was British owned except for Louisiana. Keep that in mind. Because I've heard untruthful things about Cajuns from some sites. I'm Cajun. So please let me know if you need any help
so the auto-generated captions swapped Died for Dine, when you said dine on the lusitania. lol both are accurate.
My grandmother would swear she remembered when the Titanic sank. We had to remind her that she would have been a toddler and that she was actually remembering the Lusitania sinking. Then she’d say “oh yeah” 😁
Lol, my little brother insists he can remember all sorts of things that happened when he was only 2 or 3 years old. Meanwhile, I can't remember anything that happened before I was 5, maybe 4 at the earliest.
@@MatthewTheWanderer Memory is a weird thing. If they watched something about it when they were young, they might mistake it for an actual memory.
@@arandombard1197 No, I'm talking about personal experiences, not just stuff that might have been on the news. He thinks he remembers all kinds of things that happened to himself and me and other family members back in the 80s when we were kids.
My grandmothef was born in 1876 and died in 1968, so no doubt she did remember.
@@MatthewTheWandererJust because you don't remember that far back doesn't mean he cannot. I clearly remember things from when I was about two years old.
Captain Turner describing the passangers as bloody chattering monkeys and prefering to eat alone in the cabin is such a mood.
I think the captain and I would get along great
I cackled when he described the passengers as such and scared my cat off of my lap. I have the marks to prove it. And yes, he sounds like my kind of person.
Agreed. That's probably why his first mate Barbosa mutinied and had him thrown overboard
Agree, we would silently judge everyone 🤣🤣 @@danalynbegin6991
He sounds like my Grandpa Larson, who was just as skilled a mariner. He would have been happier dining with the Steerage than 1st Class and happiest eating by himself or maybe a couple of the crew. Socialites of any era usually made him cringe. Too bad he was a better entertainer than Turner. Any time his vessel hosted veeps, he was required to host. He's been dead for 31 years, and I can still hear him grumble, very much sounding like a horse, and complaining about the "Silver-spoon, highfalutin, Westpoint chimps." he used to deal with, decades after retirement. Old salts gonna be old and salty. 😆
Fun(?) fact: later that same month, in May 1915, the steamer Rotterdam made it to Ellis Island from the Netherlands, after a perilous Atlantic crossing where the ship's crew literally used long poles to gingerly push floating German mines out of the way so they could pass through. According to the ship's manifest kept at Ellis Island, the very first passenger off that ship was a little Dutch lady named Catharina (pronounced like "Katrina") Witteveen. She had spent the entire trip in steerage, the only class of passage she could afford, and she was SO ready to be off that boat. And that's how my great-grandmother arrived in America.
Wonderful story ❤️
Holy mold-y! That Victorian mold recipe was so freakin' obtuse, I almost wished I was going down on the Lusitania! 🤣🤣
Oh cool!
Rotterdam was a very nice ship,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Rotterdam_(1908)
She was also built by Harland and Wolff, same people who built Titanic and her sisters and many more
The plot twist at the end. 😮😊
"I've learned a devil of a lot in the last five minutes" is THE MOST BRITISH exchange.
Seems a bit too stirred up to be properly British. Stiffen the lip a bit.
The person who said that was American!
In the language of over a hundred years ago
Except she wasn't British lol...she was American
I feel like the Titanic gets all the attention, despite the Lusitania being still a monumental sinking within history. Thank you for this reminder, ahead of its anniversary.
I must confess I only knew about the Titanic sinking, so am looking forward to learning about the Lusitania sinking
Billionaire spends his life and destroys others trying to perfectly recreate the Titanic-
In the last years of his wasted life a couple millionaires perfectly recreate the Lucitania in a summer.
I hate when people steal my thunder!
A romanticized tragedy will always get more attention over an act of war
I'll be honest. This, video is the first time I've heard of it
“Here’s a video about a delicious dessert. Oh, except it’s also going to make you cry. Enjoy!” Absolute kudos on balancing all the disaster videos so masterfully.
And that twist at the end: "oh, and btw, we're also gonna see what their attackers were eating"
@@Alfonso162008 almost makes me want to see a collaboration between Tasting History and Fascinating Horror someday. with the one being a guest that actually gets to taste what is cooked at that time.
Mmm, that whiplash of going from horrible tragedy straight into Compote of Bananas... Only on this channel :)
How did it make you cry
.. Britain attacked Germany and started the European conflict. Germany was winning by 1917 and handed britain peace offers which the king was willing to sogn but then German jews then stabbed Germany in the back OVER PALESTINE in an action called the BALFOUR DECLARATION whereby Britain would ILLEGALLY give jews Palestinian land (isreal had no right to exist it is stolen land) in exchange for the jews driving America into WW1 via the media jews monopolized..
Same sort of thing happened in WW2 except Churchill dragged the USA into war as Hitler made an agreement with jews whereby the reich paid for the migration of jews out of europe in response to the jews declaring war upon Germany on 3/24/1933 without any reason or provocation.. it was called the HAVAARA TRANSFER AGREEMENT.and that was THE ONLY action taken against jews by Germany.
That's what all the ice cream is for. Depression eating.
A quick fun fact, the Lusitania would have probably used now nearly extinct Gros Michel banana (nearly wiped out in the 1950's), so the flavor would have been wildly sweeter and different firmer texture than the recipe Max used. That's a whole different story for another day though, great video Max.
9:10 Fun Lusitania Fact: If you’re wondering why it looks like there’s an awkward number of columns in this dining space? Lusitania, right from the get-go, had a notorious vibration problem in her stern due to wake interference amongst her 4 propellers. At higher speeds, the interference would resonate through her hull, making her stern vibrate violently, rendering Second Class spaces basically unusable. She eventually had to go back to the builders, where these spaces were gutted, and extra steel supports were installed (cleverly disguised as fancy pillars). The vibration was lessened enough to make these spaces usable, but it was never fully resolved.
Have fun picturing someone trying to enjoy a fancy jelly! 😂
Hahaha, okay that last addition really sold this 😄 _wiggle wiggle wiggle_
@@alexfarkas3881 😂
"It could out run a u-boat if it knew it was there"
Now, I'm no big city boat captain, german officer, or military historian, but I'm pretty sure "not knowing they're there" is the whole point of a U-Boat
This ties into a fairly large issue during World War I.
The traditional rules of war required a ship to make itself known as an enemy, give the unarmed merchant ship a chance to surrender, and then let the crew go to the lifeboats and leave before sinking the ship. The expectation was that Uboats would do this too… and they did initially. But then these “unarmed” merchant ships would turn out to be “armed” merchant ships or in the case of the big Liners like Lusitania could simply run the Uboat over or easily outrun it.
So the Uboats started shooting first… and then people got angry about that.
The book 'Dead Wake' goes into that issue in quite some detail (in line with commenter 1's summary). It's quite interesting to see people reacting with SURPRISE that submarines are acting sneaky when that's basically all they CAN do without severely handicapping themselves, and there had been speculative fiction about that well before the war.
Another interesting wrinkle is that the Lusitania wasn't going as fast as it could through the area it knew to have potential U-boat activity (one of the engines was turned off)...in part because they believed they were going to get a UK navy escort that was not there.
"Nah I'd win" vibes.
I caught that as well!
it made me wonder though, it's one thing to outrun the U-boat, but can it outrun the torpedo?
Captain William Turner, after surviving the sinking of the Lusitania, considered retiring from the sea all together. But the Cunard Line, owners of the Lusitania decided to give him another chance. In late 1916 he was given command of the liner Ivernia, a slightly larger sistership of the famed rescue ship Carpathia, both of which were serving as troopships. He would have the Ivernia torpedoed out from under him in January 1917, as the ship was passing Cape Matapan Greece. He survived that sinking too, but he wisely chose to call it quits right after he got back to England.
I thought he went on to captain the Flying Dutchman…
I imagined him swimming to the shores of Britain, still on his captain hat and lifejacket. Drenched in water and with barnacles stuck to the insignias on his uniform, and some algae wrapped on his golden buttons. To be met by some admirals on the beach, holding dossiers of orders; to look at them with a killer stare, and simply go "Nope. Not again you won't." and waddle home past them to retire.
Lol. 😂 @@taiyoqun
The fact that this company just kept sending out these luxury ocean liners in the middle of hostile waters astounds me. "Nah man, it was crazy that you got torpedoed once, no way it could happen a second time!"
Bootstrap Bill!
My Grandfather’s brother was a second class passenger from Ireland who survived the sinking of the Lusitania. Nice to know he dined well before his ordeal. 😊. His name was Patrick O’Donnell.
I'm so happy for you that he lived!
My grandfather's step father lost his wife in this tragedy. Shared the story in comment above.
My question is how could an irishman afford that kind of accomodation. Was your grandfather's brother the richest man in ireland? XD
@@dragonbutt There were 9 sons and three daughters on the farm in Ireland. My grandfather and great Uncle Patrick started a furrier business together. They bought wholesale furs in London and commuted back and forth to New York to sell them at retail prices in America. They became American citizens in 1915. They worked hard to get into the middle class by sheer gumption. And the older siblings helped the younger ones. Eventually 7 of the 12 siblings emigrated to the US and 5 stayed behind in the Republic of Ireland. Grandfather would have traveled with him as usual had he not been marrying my Grandmother at the time.
America provided the ability for many tenant farmers to prosper here, and the money earned helped bring their siblings over. The family survived somehow working the farm during the famine, and the next generation was able to attain a better life, whilst helping to help their people attain Independence in the 1920s. Never underestimate the power of the Irish, who survived 800 years of British occupation. Many endured terrible passages in Steerage (3rd Class) and filled the most menial jobs at first. Their generation eventually bettered themselves, always sending funds home. The Kennedy family who have included an Ambassador, an American President, an Attorney General and a Senator, emigrated the generation before.
My remaining family in the free state of Ireland still works the land, and many of their young people have been able to attain comfortable middle class through hard work and education.
My grandfather lost the furrier business in 1929, but lived through the Great Depression by hard work and by his 6 children’s pooled contributions to the family income. We have never been wealthy, but we have been able to support ourselves.
I hope you have not inadvertently fallen into stereotyping my mother’s people or strayed into racism. Many Immigrants of all nations who came to America from many lands helped build this country’s infrastructure and better their fortunes by hard work.
@@dragonbutt lusitaniapage.wordpress.com/2017/06/15/odonnell-patrick-neil/
"Gee dad, took you long enough to get me" probably was delivered with the biggest smirk.
It's nice seeing the tradition of having a relevant pokemon in the background continue!
Please never let this tradition die max 😅
Sharpedo would have been hilarious
What's the name of the one in this video? It has escaped me!
@@Cristaaaaal44 Jellicent
Practically crying at the dark humor of including a Water-Ghost
Max: “…as we died on the Lusitania…”
Me: “You mean, dined?”
Max: “Yeah, sure.”
One of my favorite stories from the sinking of the Lusitania involves Alfred Vanderbilt.
During the sinking, he and his valet, Ronald Denyer, helped people on lifeboats. Alfred promised a young woman an extra life vest for her infant, but failed to find one. So he removed his own, keep in mind that he would've been a first class passenger, and tied it around her.
Alfred couldn't swim and no lifeboats remained. He and Ronald both perished in the sinking, Alfred's body was never recovered.
Maybe he "died" so that he could start a second life somewhere else?
I thought he'd given a woman and her child his seat in a lifeboat aboard the Titanic.
@@mariaconsuelothomen Vanderbilt had a Ticket for the Titanic but canceled it before hand. I think you are talking about Astor
@@plokoon1912 Perhaps
Heroes.
I find a sense of peace in knowing how competent the captain seemed in the face of this tragedy. He had a plan, a back up plan, and a back up back up plan to ensure as many people's survival as possible. It was a tragedy no matter the circumstances, but at least they handled it the best they could have and avoided more senseless tragedy through neglect, like the Titanic lifeboat situation.
And yet he has a large part of the blame why the ship sank in the first place… professional once it sank but going alone, slowly in submarine infested waters while carryings tons of ammunition under thousands of passengers is just the worst possible choice…
@@bingobongo1615 Weeel thing was either go slow in potentially u boat infested waters OR go at full speed and arrive at night at the port and be forced to stay stationary outside the sub nets waiting for morning. take your pick
The description of the torpedo heading towards the ship - especially the "line of chalk" - gave me chills. Imagine watching the device of your would-be demise heading your way.
That sounds absolutely terrifying!
Yup and that's the most terrifying thing about it is that sometimes you can see your end coming but realistically there's nothing you can do. Is all you can early do just watch It and wait
I see it with every fork-full of pie, cake, and pudding going down the hatch.
If you're FDR, you get the Secret Service to wheel you out to the railing so you can get a better view.
@@benn454 I wonder if that happened? When he was aboard one of the battleships going to Europe, a destroyer accidentally fired a torpedo at the battleship. Luckily, the torpedo missed. And on a few occasions ships would manage to thread the torpedoes coming at them.
I saw you at the library in Baton Rouge (I was the old lady in the wheelchair) and I wanted to tell you how much we enjoyed it! My husband doesn't watch your videos (food content makes him hungry lol) but he thoroughly enjoyed the presentation! It was absolutely wonderful seeing your audience in person- we are a wildly inclusive collection of people of all races, genders, and it kind of gives me hope. Thanks for the experience... it was special. ❤❤❤
How cool for you! I'd love to see Max.
Agree Laynie. Max is awesome .
@@alicecain4851 It was fantastic! He's exactly the same in person as I thought he would be, cute as heck and funny! Just a warm-hearted guy,
He went to Baton Rouge???? Man 😭😭
@lorenalulu5765 He did, and the crowd was huge!! There were only seats for 200, but something happened and there had to be at least 400 people there! I wish you could have been there!
I'm so glad you brought up the fact that there were actually munitions on the Lusitania heading to Europe, which brought on its sinking, which always seems to be forgotten by others. The newspaper ads stating the Lusitania would be fired on were, indeed, real.
Didn't he say that munitions USUALLY could be on civilian ships? 17:14 So can we be positive that Lusitania specifically carried any?
Anyway, it doesn't change a thing. Those who put munition on ships with civilians put the civilians in danger, and those who - in order to take out munition imports - were ready to kill civilians, are war criminals avant la lettre.
And if anyone says that it's fine to bomb a hospital or a school full of civilians because a certain terrorist organization has tunnels below it, should acknowledge that Germany was within its right to do the same thing with civilian ships. I'm not one of the people who condone such attacks.
Not only did she carry munitions, but she had prefitted for war service, including gun mounts and the like. Had she continued sailing, there’s no doubt she would have been immediately been put in the war service
@@cioccolateriaveneziana The fact that munitions were on the ship have already been proven.
@@cioccolateriaveneziana Yep, the U.S. gov is responsible for those deaths because they're the ones that put the munitions on the ship.
@@cioccolateriaveneziana now you should learn about the ship the Gustlav...
My jaw dropped when you said all that destruction happened in only 18 minutes. And again when you said over half of the passengers died. This was so tragic and so unnecessary. I loved the story about the family finding the boy at the end.
"Half-empty kitchen and a hot-plate" soundd like a great thematic setting for some famine/poverty food episodes (Great Depression, Turnip Winter, Dust Bowl, stuff like that).
Edit: tough episode! Good thing sweet and salty go good together: this one brought a couple tears.
I've been hoping he'd do something about Cold War bomb shelter rations since the trailer for the Fallout TV show dropped, even moreso now that the show is out and really good!
It just occurred to me after watching this episode (and sharing it with several friends) ... the Lusitania sank in half the time it takes to watch this video (and every second is worth watching!).
Oh wow yeah that’s wild. Really puts it into perspective.
I thought of that, too.
I also realised the Victoria Pudding would also contain Gros Michel bananas rather than Cavendish.
Jeez, now there's a chilling thought. No wonder so many people died, there just wasn't enough time to do much of anything.
It just occurred to me that this video is nearly 40 minutes long
You _know_ you have something special when someone comes into the library to say something, and they just stop and watch the rest of the episode with me. You shall not be interrupted. You do that, Max and Jose. You two can do that.
There's a funny error in the subtitles: "...As we died on the Lusitania, this time on Tasting History." 11/10 commitment to immersive historical retelling, you will forever be in our hearts
Edit: I'd like to point out Jellicent's pokedex entries (along with its typing, Water Ghost.) "The fate of the ships and crew that wander into Jellicent's habitat: all sunken, all lost, all vanished." -Black, Y and Alpha Sapphire; "Jellicent is always hanging around fancy cruise ships and tankers, hoping to drag away its prey." -Ultra Sun
Max. We love you. Never stop.
And here I was thinking he used Jellicent because it kinda looked like the dish.
Can't wait for the "cooking on hot coals next to the shed" era - perhaps time for some 40,000 bc recipes ? :D
Townsends already does that! Max should go out to Indiana for a collab with him!
Ya i already watch stuff like that on camp cooking channels, but would love to see Max do that too sometime, for sure
@@erraticonteuseTownsends does 18th century American cooking, not neolithic era BBQ. 😂
Stefan Milo, maybe? He covers more that time period, and might be up for a neolithic cookout/ cave painting session.
@@phantomkate6 I don't imagine outdoor cooking changed that much, aside from the addition of pots.
Max, thank you for that superb account of the RMS Lusitania's demise.
I live a few miles from Cobh (then called Queenstown) in Ireland where so many of the victims are buried. Back in the 1980s my next door neighbour, Patrick Donovan (a retired policema - a garda), told me that his family lived near the Old Head of Kinsale, close to the site of the ship's sinking. He recalled that as a boy he and his family were at their dinner (served in the middle of the day in rural Ireland) when they heard an explosion, shortly followed by another explosion. The family abandoned dinner and raced to the top of a local hill and saw in the distance the last moments of the Lusitania.
But he also said something that puzzled me. He said they distinctly heard TWO explosions. I questioned him about that and he was adamant: they heard two explosions. Remember, as a policeman he was used to presenting evidence in court.
Only later did researchers publish their claim that there were indeed two explosions. It is thought the second explosion may have been explosive detonators triggered by the first explosion.
There will be a commemoration for the victims at the Lusitania Memorial in Cobh on Monday, 6th May, (a public holiday in Ireland), 109 years after the Lusitania was sunk.
That's why people thought they had munitions on board the ship. First the torpedo, then the munitions explode.
It also was very likely the second explosion was a steam explosion, as they did not have time to let off steam pressure. The first explosion would have caused flooding, but it is also widely accepted that the second explosion was what sealed Lusitania’s fate.
I got so absorbed in that history story that when you transitioned back to the food you had made i had forgotten that was part of this video. You are an amazing storyteller and bring these stories to life in the way history needs to be taught.
right?
Frank's story is like a Dom Bluth film: unimaginable horror and trauma, but then there’s a happy ending.
It sounds like somebody should make a movie based on it.
In the absence of a regular kitchen, and with the spring and summer seasons upon us, it might be interesting to attempt some recipes meant for the outdoors: grilling, camping and otherwise.
Let's get some cowboy fare! Hobos during the depression (sorry, I don't know the politically correct term), early Boy or Girl Scout recipes, etc. What did Sacajawea cook? There's a lot of options for food prepared outdoors. Or raw, like steak tartar and salads. After all, the name of the channel is Tasting History, not Cooking History...
Hobo's is short for "Homeward bound" meaning men that moved temporarily for a job then were on their way back home after, so not necessarily a offensive term
yes, a menu perhaps from the bohemian grove? Or an adrionic "summer camp?"
There are some wonderful Native American dishes out there. It's not just Navajo fry bread (although I love it!)
@@blackmarya I never knew that!! Thank you!
"Aspic Covered Forcemeat" will be the name of my Norwegian Black Metal Disney cover band.
Sounds like something Tommy Johansson (formerly of Sabaton) would do for fun.
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Ha ha ha!
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The shoutout to Oceanliner Designs was such a pleasant surprise. It’s up there with Tasting History as one of my favourite channels!
This is the first one of your videos where I 100% forgot that I was watching a cooking show. Your passion when describing these people's tragic stories really stirred something in me. Good luck with your kitchen!
As a historian, I'm really drawn to how this video shows what it was like to dine on the Lusitania. It's incredible to see how people back then enjoyed such luxury on the seas. Makes you think about how these big ships were like small floating towns with their own class systems. Great glimpse into the past!
One of the passengers who died on Lusitania said this quote from Peter Pan just before he drowned. His name was Charles Frohman, and he said, "Why fear death? It is the most beautiful adventure that life gives us."
😥
I can only hope to share that same mindset when my end comes.
Sounds like something Reepicheep would've said.
It's a nice platitude. But perhaps... _nothing._
😭 Reepicheep ❤@@shannonalaminski2619
You know, it’s super lovely that there is a large cross over of fans from Oceanliner Designs here. It’s heartwarming that we’ve two friends in common, Mike Brady and Max Miller.
I am so glad you called out Oceanliner Designs. This is the channel where I first learned all about the Lusitania and many other great oceanliners of the time. If you're at all interested in maritime history, do go pay that channel a visit. Mike Brady is amazing at narrating his videos and does a ton of research on every video he makes. I doubt you'll be bored for even a second.
Thanks for sharing the history of the Lusitania, and making amazing food, it's always a good time when a new Tasting History video pops up :D
Crazy that Lusitania hasn't gotten a big movie adaptation. What a horrible sinking. And they could portray it quite literally in real time.
Theatrical movies, perhaps not. But it's been depicted twice in TV movies, as well as a number of TV shows.
I read a book, historical fiction, about the passengers on the Lusitania. Not sure of the title anymore, but it was free online. It's quite a dramatic telling of the last voyage.
I think that they should make a movie about it
Hollywood has been, shall we say "less than truthful", in its portrayal of historical events. Their goal is to entertain and generate lots of revenue, which is fair enough. If you want to learn about an actual event in history, the movie theater is not a good place.
Nothing says "entertainment" quite like a tragic and large scale loss of human life.
38 minutes of Max?! YES PLEASE! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Max to the Max 😉
😂
Huh....did not notice that it was this long.
Max is just too interesting for me to notice the time.
In 2007, the Irish government granted Bemis a 5 year license to conduct limited excavations of the wreck. The charge that the Lusitania was carrying war materiel is valid," says Bemis. "She was a legitimate target for the German submarine."
I mean, this was before certain more recent standards of warfare, but I think it is reasonable to say that regardless of war material being on board, this was _primarily_ a passenger vessel full of nearly 2000 civilians. It should _not_ have been used to transport war material, and the people who put that material on board were just as responsible for the deaths of all those civilians as the WWI German military was, but having a legitimate reason to target the Lusitania doesn't mean they should have done so. Killing over 1100 uninvolved civilians and risking killing nearly 2000 over some munitions may or may not be a war crime nowadays, but it sure sounds like it isn't exactly within the ethicals or morals of the average reasonable person from most places.
This was WWI though, and again, things were very different, and it can't even be a crime if the law hasn't been passed yet and judging the past by values of today is generally messy, but I would say that _legitimate target_ is a bit too fine a point for them to have put on it, maybe "under the standards of the time" or "given the nature of warfare in that era" but just a blanket statement is a bit ehh because even then people didn't exactly agree that even if she had munitions she was a legitimate target, though some did think that on both sides.
Had she flown a US flag instead of UK, that would absolutely have been deemed an unprovoked act of war against the US. I don't think "did she carry war material" was the real question here, but "did that justify attacking a cruise ship full of civilians, including a lot of definite non-combatants. Women and children under I think it was 16 were by law non-combatants in the UK at the time - they couldn't join the military, also any of the old or disabled passengers even if men. It is generally bad form to kill non-combatants and people who can't even become combatants.
Sorry for the ramble, I have had more caffeine than sleep.
My mom had passage booked to go to study piano in Paris. Her parents didn’t permit her to go. Her passage was booked on the Andrea Doria. The young woman who took her place instead fell on the deck when it listed and broke both wrists. The Andrea Doria would be worth a look…
This reminds me of a scene from that Lusitania movie where everyone panics but a little girl continues eating her desert.
Lusitania murder on the atlantic.
Not to be morbid but I was thinking "how is there no movie about the sinking of Lusitania", lo and behold there is, I just didn't knew about it.
I mean, if I knew I was probably a goner anyway, might as well go out eating something tasty? 🥲
The little girl was real, her name was Avis Dolphin.
Here is a Snippet of her:
" Dolphin was on her way to England, where she was to live with her grandparents and attend school, when she befriended author and professor Ian Holbourn. She was in a second-class stateroom during the voyage. She had just eaten lunch and coffee was being served when the torpedo attack occurred. The resulting list was so sudden and violent that dishes crashed off the tables; but she recalled the scene as one of "absolute calm".
Holbourn was able to get Avis and the two nurses traveling with her into lifebelts, onto the deck, and into a lifeboat. However, the lifeboat capsized when two men attempted to jump into it. She was rescued from the ocean, but her two nurses, Sarah Smith and Hilda Ellis, were not.[1][2] The bodies of Smith and Ellis were never recovered.[3]
Following her recovery in Queenstown, she regularly visited Holbourn, who was suffering from exposure. She continued her friendship with Holbourn up until the end of his life in 1935. Dolphin even once suggested to Holbourn that books specifically written for girls were too boring. In response, Holbourn authored the bestseller The Child of the Moat, A Story for Girls, 1557 A.D. in 1916. "
@@avanii5887 Its proof that panicking solves nothing
Truly one of your best yet, Max! When I saw you were doing an episode on the Lusitania, I had wondered if Theodate Pope would turn up in your narrative and, sure enough, at 19:31 she does! Theodate survived the sinking, but apparently was initially pulled unconscious from the sea and placed among the dead aboard one of the rescue ships before someone realized she was in fact alive. Before this fateful voyage, Theodate had become one of the first women architects in the United States, designing her family home (which is now Hill-Stead Museum in Farmington, CT), along with several schools in Connecticut, including Westover School, an all-girls independent school in Middlebury (where I worked for three decades), and the Avon Old Farms School, an all-boys school she founded in the 1920s. Among her other architectural commissions was the the restoration of Theodore Roosevelt's childhood home in New York City.
That's amazing!
Thank you for the further historical information.
Maybe it's because I didn't know anything about the Lusitania other than that it sank, but the tragedy of this one really got me. The way they wrote back then was so elegant and descriptive, and in tragedy was no different. I had to stop the video a few times between 25:40 and 31:00 because the stark realities of their recounts were so overwhelmingly haunting that the simile of writing the cacaphony of sounds as an orchestra emphasized death rather than fantasized it.
Thank you for finding and sharing these stories with us, Max. It really teaches us a lot about not only history, but the way that people react (or don't) when they're in an impossibly disadvantaged or doomed situation. To me, it's a reminder that time and the forces of nature are greater than anything we can apply to defy it.
The history on these episodes is so captivating that I sometimes forget I’m watching a cooking show! 😂😂❤❤❤
Some businesswoman 200 years ago: "You'll need to buy my other cookbook to make this-"
Max: "I'm four parallel universes ahead of you."
But did he speedrun it?
It's not _quite_ as long ago. 😉
@@beth12svist Eh, that's why you don't comment before your morning coffee. 😅
@@spartanhawk7637 😝
I just returned home from a cruise myself, and I have to say that I rather wish those Stewardesses who would keep children away from the adult passengers during mealtime were still a thing.
We did on Disney Cruise Line! Well, I didn’t, but my coworkers did.
Considering rich people here (as in people I know and on this city) go to hotels for that specific purpose, like a weekend at Bourbon's just so staff takes care of their kids, I fully expected that was the bare minimum in a cruise.
Just one reason among many why i remain child-free
Cunard will do that on their cruises 😉
Cruises are the one most wasteful, dangerous, destructive vacations you could have. Not to mention the crew is treated like garbage by their employers and the customers. They shouldn't even exist honestly.
What a coincidence, earlier this evening I watched the Most excellent Oceanliner designs episode on the Lusitania. Then turned on tasting history to see Max give another most excellent and interesting episode on the menu and history of the sinking. well done sir! Also well done to “our friend”. Mike Brady from Oceanliner designs. I think others would enjoy two superb story tellers teaming up in the future. Thank you Max! My ten year old son loves your channel. It brings us both joy to enjoy together.
You do such a wonderful job of treating horrible events with respect while telling the stories.
Disasters like this always hit me hard, literally tears to the eyes. The innocent men women and children there and the fight for survival or acceptance of death.
Especially when you know you’re being murdered, not an accident or natural disaster.
@@jbridges9574 definitely a shame for those who are clueless about the danger but to the people who still boarded the ship having read the German warnings, that's just natural selection.
@@guardiadecivil6777 i hear that too
The reveal that you're doing a followup regarding food on U-boats gave me chills! I've been really enjoying Transportation Month, so I'm glad we get one more little morsel of it beyond its supposed ending point.
Some corrections:
1. The "warning" was actually from the German embassy on the Ambassador Bernstorff's own initiative. It was also a coincidence that it appeared at the same time as Lusitania set sail. He had actually also figured Lusi wouldn't be a target.
2. The debate wasn't about whether submarines can intercept war supplies, but rather *how*. Subs were supposed to let the ship stop and get the people off first. U-20 had done so on other occasions. Lusi was faster so this might well not have worked, but the US government said that "well if you can't do this without committing a war crime then you just shouldn't do it."
3. The way the Lusitania led to America joining the war is that it drew a line in the sand. America made clear what it would not accept (passenger ships sunk without warning and making sure no *American* gets hurt). Germany made clear its supposed justifications and eventually made various promises. When Germany broke those promises and sunk ships where the justifications didn't apply, America started thinking the Germans were acting in bad faith. And then the Germans deliberately went back on all their promises and relations were broken.
4. The real reason for the Lusitania being sunk was it was a terror tactic. Germany had a tiny number of operational subs. They were deliberately targetting passenger ships to scare the others. They didn't actually care what she was carrying.
"Subs were supposed to let the ship stop and get the people off first." Years ago, I knew a Catholic priest who had been attending seminary in Switzerland when WWII broke out. His bishop ordered him to come back to the States and he and other seminary students booked passage on a British ocean liner. They were intercepted by a German U-boat and the passengers/crew given exactly 10 minutes to abandon ship before the ship got torpedoed. Fortunately, everyone made it off and into the lifeboats safely. Still, 10 minutes to evacuate an entire ship ain't much time.
I petition that you should narrate history documentaries. The way you present the stories is perfect.
For some reason, the humor of the young man ... Frank, caused tears to fall... 'Gee, dad, took you long enough to get here."
Still crying. I can't seem to stop the tears. There is something about the juxtaposition of humor and horror that causes me to lose control. Those poor people, but traveling in the Atlantic was beyond dangerous during World War I.
The government was using them as sacrifices to get involved in another profitable war.
Same. This video, man... Absolutely harrowing.
"One of my favourites, a minute-by-minute simulation of the Lusitania sinking" - that's dark Max, that's dark.
"Which you can watch while eating this banana pudding!" hahaha
I actually watched one of the Titanic and even have computer games about it sinking. You should search TH-cam, maybe it's still on here.
There's always this dark fascination of understanding how tragedies work and happened.
@@telebubba5527 -- Part-time Explorer (Tom) and Titanic: Honor & Glory (many people, including Tom, I believe) have the real-time sinking of the Titanic with guests on a live every April 14th-15th and have a "game" available to explore the Titanic respectively.
Oceanliner Designs (Mike Brady), as Max mentioned, is also a great channel to check out!
I didn't even know I was interested in Oceanliners (and in some of Part-time Explorer's channel's videos, history of long-forgotten & abandoned towns) until I watched the Titanic videos, and then the Queen Mary videos, and just watched the other ones to see about them. Now, I watch them whenever they drop a new video!
Oops, that turned into a bit of a rambling, lol.
@@Adrianovaz2007 Like that one time people dove to the sea floor to see the titanic in a carbon fiber can that couldnt be opened from the inside.
I love that you shouted out oceanliner designs! Definitely an overlap with your channels and I'm a huge fan of both! I'm sure Mike appreciates the love❤❤❤
I grew up around the corner from John Light, the navy diver who explored the Lusitania in the 1960s. He was a great researcher and was happy to talk at length about the sinking. I recall he had a large model of the ship in his office, alongside stacks of documents and photos from the diving expedition. I learned snorkeling and analog photography from his son.
Thank you for covering this moment in history!
One story combined two things that you said: Theodate Pope told her maid to jump the 60 feet into the water, She and Mr. Friend held hands and followed the maid. Only Ms. Pope survived. Also, during a celebration for the centenary for the Breakers in Newport, Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt III spoke about his grandfather (the richest man on the Lusitania and who he said excelled in all sports - except swimming) as having last been seen tying babies into baskets in the hope that they would float.
So much of this story broke my heart but the image of people desperately tying babies and small children to anything possible to make them survive, good lord.
@@chaosdestructionloveI made it all the way through that video without crying, but that brought me undone. 😢
Marguerite, Lady Allan (wife of Hugh, Sir Montagu-Allan, who donated the Allan Memorial Cup for Amateur Hockey, still awarded today), two of her daughters, and two maids were aboard the Lusitania. They were moving from Canada to England, and had 18 huge trunks of clothes, jewellery, and household items.
Lady Allan survived (albeit with a broken collarbone and hip), but her teenage daughters didn't (only one of their bodies was found). The maids did too, and one managed to save a small valise containing several pieces of Lady Allan's jewellery, including a Cartier tiara of diamonds and seed pearls.
Lady Allan died in 1957. Her tiara was bequeathed to one of her cousins, because Lord & Lady Allan had outlived all of their children (a son, who was killed on his first mission as a pilot of the Royal Naval Flight Squad, and an older daughter, who died in Montreal in 1942).
In 2015, the centenary of the sinking, the granddaughter of that cousin sold the tiara at auction. I have a replica of it, though the central "diamond" isn't removable and wearable as a brooch, as it is in the original.
This is the first time I've seen anything on the Lusitania. Everything is always about the Titanic. Thanks buddy 😊
Some facts about the disaster:
1) The Staff Captain position I am pretty sure was an invention from the aftermath of the Titanic disaster, so the ship captain can delegate evacuation duties if necessary.
2) Another reason they stopped was due to fog, which are other reasons to not speed.
3) The Lusitania actually had an entire boiler room shut down. The Admiralty ordered Cunard to cut back on Lusitania 's coal consumption for the war effort, so she was already going well below her full speed to begin with.
4) Lusitania was indeed carrying munitions - which as a passenger ship was a war crime.
5) Lusitania and her sister ship Mauretania were partly funded by HM Government for use as "Auxiliary Cruisers" for wartime. As such their hull plates were made to Royal Navy standards, and the designs were set to naval standards. One element of this was putting the coal bunkers on the sides of the ship, technically making them the largest Protected Cruisers in the world. Unfortunately...
5a) This meant that the German Navy was expecting the ships to be requisitioned for military uses, hence the eagerness to sink Lucy.
5b) Those fuel bunkers made the sinking so bad, because they concentrated the flooding on the damaged side of the ship, rather than letting her flood evenly.
I'm from Kinsale, Ireland! This boat is very famous in my hometown! So cool to see you do this! I met a man when I was very young who heard and saw it sink when he was a school kid himself!
You left the Immersion on.
It isn’t Tuesday without some good ol tasting history!
"I'd hate for a torpedo to hit us before I get to eat my ice cream" [paraphrased from 19:46 ]
I have nothing but respect for this attitude.
The book Dead Wake by Erik Larson is a magnificent read. He takes journal entries, newspapers articles, telegrams, manifests, interviews, etc and writes these immersive, touching, sometimes heart wrenching, and sometimes hilarious passages where you feel as if in the book.
Thank you, Max, for combining history and cookery into such an accessible format, and for opening the door for many to start their own journeys of discovery.
Thanks for plugging our friend Mike Brady at Oceanliner Designs! Awesome channel and definitely worth checking out!
I said much the same - our friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs. It made me grin to see his channel plugged.
I love that guy, his content is great and you get a real deep dive into every aspect of the topic at hand.
To be honest, I think a strawberry compote would probably be much nicer to put on top. Plus, the color would match the flavor.
That’s what I was thinking!! Strawberry banana would be really nice and look amazing
If you have a firepit in the garden, you could do some open fire cooking while the kitchen is redone? Some frontier recepies, perhaps?
This was an epic story. My heart sank at your recount of the tragedy. I pray that I never grow cold to these stories. They were precious real lives that ended too soon. 😢
In 10th grade, my history teacher was infamous for his... lack of intellectual talents. He misspelled Lusitania 3 times while holding an open book in which the word was written in 2in blue letters across 2 pages.
Coach Farmer, wherever you are, thanks for that memory.
More story: On 2 occasions, he called me out to 'come teach if I'm so blah blah blah' and I did. I had the perfect classmates for the it (all peer-group AP folks), so it was a pretty fun f-you. He used an daily lesson-plan outline, so I just followed the sheet. Lol
Coach's daughter was a schoolmate/friend (art club) and she gave him heck about it all. We never had any bad-blood, Coach and I, just loved to butt heads and shake hands, afterward.
I suspect he kept trying to get me to play football just so he could finally have it over on me (though I'd played in Jr high), but I'll never know.
@@nichmiller4251 This is remarkably similar to my high school experience.
My Irish grandmother came to America a few months later on an American ship, the Philadelphia. She arrived here on September 20th, 1915, and I have to say, I'm sure glad she made it! My grandparents had met in Paris in 1913, while my grandfather was studying art there.
Lauren and I both found it really cool to see the dining room where Lauren's Dad and his mother, father, and brothers shared their meals on that ill-fated ship. Dad's gone now, but he loved to tell the tale of their travels across the ocean on the Mauretania in 1912 to Liverpool and back to America in 1914 on the Lusitania. Thank you for that peek into their lives!
Dang-it Max! You made me cry from the story of the family. I wasn't thinking I would get an emotional rollercoaster ride like that from this video.
I think my favorite part of any Max Miller video is when a dish surprises him in a good way! You can hear him almost tear up as he's trying to explain his joy! Not to say that the occasional failures aren't guilty pleasures. I still have fond memories of watching the fish pudding video!
I like the idea of you making these vids in what is essentially a college dorm's kitchenette.
Just Max, an induction stove, an air fryer, and maybe a blender.
History of College Dorm ❤
Don’t forget the coffee maker!
Lol but nothing with an exposed heating element... in my dorm, we aren't even allowed to have a coffee maker that has a hot plate :/
@@everestfoster6504 If your dorm was anything like my dad's the electrical outlets sucked.
@julietsmith5925 actually the outlets arent bad at all! The problem is that kids kept leaving their appliances on and rooms kept catching fire
Oceanliner Designs is one of my favorite TH-cam Channels. Such care placed into researching history and bringing the human stories to life, much like Tasting History.
kitchen remodels, however minor, are the Platonic ideal of "on time, on spec, or on budget: pick no more than two.". Good luck max!
May I suggest that your remodeling during the late spring might give you a good reason to test out recipes from historic travels and journeys? no one would think poorly of hardtac made on a camp stove in front of a period recreation tent for example.
The Townsends have entered the chat
@@liabobia Ironically I've not gotten around to watching Townsends.
@@mcp12300 Townsends is not a "Get Around To" site- it is a "Top of the Subscriptions" page!
Yes! Id love to see more collab videos. Maybe it could be a collaboration season with Townshends and/or some other channels so you can visit other kitchens!
There’s something so morbidly beautiful about all of your videos that cover tragedies like this. You present them in such a respectful way that compliments sad, tragic happenings alongside happier endings. Looking forward to the next one and absolutely loved transportation month!
Hey Max, an idea for while your kitchen is being worked on. You could look at some soldier, hobo, pioneer or otherwise camping type recipes that you could try to cook outside on a fire or a grill. That could be fun. You don't really strike me as much of a camper, but you could always get one of those fire pit things. They're like a metal vessel that you can safely have a fire in. Campers often use them in places where normal camp fires aren't allowed, or where they want to have more control or less mess afterwards. They come in all kinds of sizes, designs and prices for that matter. There are small ones that are basically just a twig stove, or large ones that you can put logs in to. Some are portable and fold up, others are meant for a patio or back yard. Or if you wanted to do something meme-y and fun you could try to find or create a real recipe for Charlie's milk steak from It's Always Sunny, and cook it on a hot plate, as he would do.
Anyway, hope you're well, and good luck on your renovations! ^_^
I cried listening to the accounts of this tragedy. Max your voice is fantastic.
That Banana Compote tastes different than it did then, because that old variety of banana was killed by a blight in the 1920s. Hence the song, "Yes, We Have No Bananas".
How were the old ones different? Sweeter, blander?
@@easolinas1233sweeter and stronger tasting.The Gros Michel was better at everything except staying alive.
@@easolinas1233Artificial banana flavouring doesn't taste like real bananas, because it was formulated to mimic the flavour of the variety of banana at that time, which went extinct not long afterwards.
So, a banana-flavoured Popsicle tastes like that long-extinct variety.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 I can't believe that no one is trying to revive the breed. There has to be someone with a sample out there in a sealed-off arboretum giving it a go.
There are currently about 100 types of bananas today from the classic yellow to reds and big to tiny. Some are supposed to taste like vanilla custard. Most are not grown commercially.
I love Max's expression when the later notes hit his palate.
I'm glad that you made a video and bring more light to this tragic sinking. As someone who is interested in history and ships in general, it's so sad that people sometimes seems to forget this one...
The way you conveyed the history deserve special recognition. Such empathy, such emotion! I found myself drawn to the brink of tears at certain moments, my mind picturing every scene through your thoughtfully delivered monologue.
Custard recipe are sold separately 😂
4:10 A tip, put a wet towel or rag underneath the bowl so it won’t wobble round when mixing 👍
I was about to say! I remember Jacques Pépin wrapping the wet towel around the base of the bowl
The most touching tale of the foul deed of sinking the Lusitania to me is the story of Elbert and Alice Hubbard. It is summarized thus: "Ernest Cowper, on his way to save 6-year-old Helen Smith, passed Elbert and Alice Hubbard. Elbert said, “Well, Jack, they have got us. They are a damn sight worse than I ever thought they were.”
Cowper asked, “What are you going to do?”
Elbert shook his head. Alice just smiled and replied, “There does not seem to be anything to do.”
Cowper was then taken by surprise when he saw Elbert and Alice retreat into a room on the Boat Deck and close the door behind them. Cowper surmised that the Hubbards planned to die together and did not want to be parted in the water. In his writings, Elbert had once philosophized, “We are here now, some day we shall go. And when we go we would like to go gracefully.”"
Sadly, the foulest thing about the sinking of the Lusitania is how they put unknowing, innocent passengers in harm's way by putting millions of rounds of ammunition aboard the ship to be transported to England. Nearly as foul is the British propaganda campaign that followed with the British managing to convince the world that the Lusitania was just a civilian cruise liner sunk with no warning and without cause. So successful was this campaign, that to this day many people still believe the propaganda version.
Loved the shout-out to our friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs
This was my absolute favorite video. I love all these stories of these grand ships you’ve highlighted. You have so much knowledge and I love it. Thank you Max. Love from SC. I appreciate your content and all that’s involved in making these videos
26:25 A 60' fall into water is very capable of killing you, for context, because unless there's something to break surface tension it's going to be like hitting hard rubber on top of concrete at _best_ and like hitting bare concrete at worst (and it's more likely to be towards the latter end). That's why there are these devices to create bubbles in the target area for high dives, and why form is so critical when you're diving off a high area if you don't have that. You minimize the area of initial contact that breaks surface tension and so you decelerate slower. (It's _technically_ not surface tension that's causing the deceleration, it's hydrodynamics, but unless you're a physicist or an engineer, the technicality is moot.) Because, as the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end.
Also, those waters are very cold, and the shock of entering cold water causes humans to reflexively exhale, and at that height of a jump you will likely go down far enough that you might not have enough oxygen to make it back to the surface after that exhalation.
From 60ft, I imagine the impact of an adult against the water might sound like an earshattering **SMACK**
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Based on my experience as a remarkably bad diver, I would say yes. (My body never liked going upside down.)
@@Serenity_Dee Makes me think of some old September 11 footage, you didn't see anything, but some people jumped rather than staying up there waiting to die, and the impacts sounded like gunshots.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine That's a grim thought, but given the subject of the video, I don't think it's inappropriate. Macabre, definitely, but not inappropriate in context.
So the moral of the story is always carry a bit of dish soap and squirt it downward so it hits the water before you do?
‘Fancy Ices’ sounds like an old timey way of saying ‘Organic Gourmet Ice-Cream’.
ALWAYS appreciative of the Closed Captioning. Thank you, Max!
This was a well-timed episode for me, as I am less than a week away from embarking on my first cruise. While I have long had a fascination with ships like the Lusitania, I live in the middle of a continent and hardly ever get to coastal areas. I must say, though, that I'm thankful that the risk of a hostile encounter with a German U-boat on my cruise is minimal...
While looking through census records and immigration papers for my great-grandparents, my grandmother and I discovered that her mother had immigrated on the Lusitania in 1910. We had no idea. Grandma said she told stories about the voyage all the time, but just never bothered to mention the name of the ship. I wonder if she had Victoria pudding.
Thank you for this excellent episode. I would add just a few details. The captain ordered all the portholes be closed, but passengers opened them again because the passengers felt their cabins were too stuffy. Turner did all he could to assure the passengers could get off the ship, and wanted to go down with the ship. He was swept overboard and rescued. No one one the ship knew their were munitions aboard. There were reports of a second torpedo explosion; however, the uboat captain fired one torpedo. There has been quite a bit of controversy about what caused the second explosion; however, the UK government had good reason to make sure no one find out. There was a concerted effort to blame Turner, but the official investigations in the UK and US exonerated him. Winston Churchill, who was First Lord of the Admiralty at the time, was particularly to blame Turner and deflect blame from himself because no Royal Navy ships were sent to protect the Lusitania once the ship entered the Irish Sea. The protection was promised to the Cunard Company.
That second explosion could well have been coal dust stirred up from the torpedo hit.
We'll never know for sure.
@@mikespangler98 Perhaps some of the 173 tons of munitions on board.
@@contentsdiffer5958 The problem with that idea is the explosives should have gone off when the torpedo hit, or as the result of a serious fire. There was a significant delay between the two explosions, and no fire of note.
But a coal dust explosion would have been after the torpedo fluffed up the dust, and then the dust cloud needed to find an ignition source. From the Wikipedia article;
"The torpedo struck Lusitania abaft the bridge, sending a plume of water upward which knocked Lifeboat No. 5 off its davits and a geyser of steel plating, coal smoke, cinders, and debris high above the deck. "It sounded like a million-ton hammer hitting a steam boiler a hundred feet high", one passenger said. A second, more powerful explosion followed, ringing throughout the ship, and thick grey smoke began to pour out of the funnels and ventilator cowls that led deep into the boiler rooms. Schwieger's log entries attest that he launched only one torpedo. Some doubt the validity of this claim, contending that the German government subsequently altered the published fair copy of Schwieger's log,[3]: 416-419 but accounts from other U-20 crew members corroborate it. The entries were also consistent with intercepted radio reports sent to Germany by U-20 once she had returned to the North Sea, before any possibility of an official cover-up.[48]"
fantastic episode, I'm loving the longer format. that dish sounds simply divine!
I feel like I just watched an entire documentary! You are so talented at telling stories!
Max. Another magnificent episode. Your oratory skills are immense. You pay respects to those poor devils who were killed on that fateful day. Incredible viewing. Keep up the finest of work. Yours truly, Dougie
Your longest video yet max! You made this tuesday better than usual! Thanks 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
It’s sooo long!
@@TastingHistory AND VERYYYYY GOOD
@@TastingHistory ... seems like an open goal: _thats what (s)he said_
@@beartastic-ftwyou just read my mind!
Max, this is my first time watching your video and this is fantastic! Your research into not just the disaster, but ocean liners and the Luisitania in general on the early 20th century is exquisite! I also love your delivery! So glad you included Ocean Liner Designs! The dessert looks amazing! Hope you do more ocean liner content in the future!