Brett, how many Olympic you got? 0 How many Olympic champion did you train ? 0 How many hair do you have ? 0 How many follow do you by lying and defaming innocent athlete ? 1 million ! 🎉
More well informed fact based conversations need to happen in Swimming, like this! Why is everyone so afraid to speak about this?! Thanks for standing up Brett & Nick!
I'm sure you've figured this out for yourself, Kyle, but I think one big reason is the amount of money invested in the competitions and the public appeal of bigger-faster-stronger. A slight (PED infused) improvement can mean a victory and thus fame, TV money, and an enhanced reputation for the country. So, folks are afraid to say anything because it might incriminate another team, maybe even a teammate, and the whistleblower doesn't want the consequences such as ostracism, media seeking more information, harassment, backlash, etc. But also, if WADA and/or the Olympic committee backs off an investigation because the guilty verdicts would "ruin" the competition, then the violators get a free pass "this time." P.S. Also, as Nick says in this video, it might be hard to know who the guilty party is----the athlete(s) or someone higher up with the power to "contaminate."
what BS &, hypocrisy, mate your talking about something that happened before the last Olympics, its well documented that those athletes have been tested hundreds of times since then, and been tested 6 times more than any other country at this current Olympics, with negative results, what about all the the other athletes from other countries, e,g the American sprinter Erriyon Knighton who tested positive for a band substance, which was found in his food, and was cleared for this Olympic, seems to me a lot of jealousy, here, move on, they are just better than the rest at the moment.
The TMZ ban started in 2014 but the drug was developed in the 70's. Are there any world records achieved by athletes using TMZ before 2014? How about more advanced drugs that are not on the banned list yet but only accessible to countries with highly advanced pharmaceutical industry?
@@sethaldrich6902 There is no substantial reports yet verified by the swimming authorities to support your opinion, SunYang's times still valid in FINA. so it'syour opinion not fact.
@@sethaldrich6902 what about other top athletes before 2014 when TMZ was not considered PED? Or any current top athletes using more advanced drugs that are not on the banned list yet?
What don't you ask for the investigations of the Americans & Australian s TUEs? Chinese swimmers been tasted more often than their western counterparts. Be fair & talk about the American cover ups of their drug abuses.
No he did NOT he confirmed the Chinese 100m Free result was impossible ! That is statistically impossible - so your comment is not right, correct or in a ball park of truth!
We have a highly professional team here, with dozens of high performance athletes and due to carelessness the technical committee together with the hotel did not check the origin of the food that would be served to the athletes?? Please...let's not be naive. China has a long history with doping.
it's very easy to serve the contaminated food to athletes in a hotel. 2015yr, Malaysia team attend the 2016 rio Olympics selection meet, all national team got the diarrhea because they eat the spoiled chicken. I highly accept WADA and FINA conclusion, China team's food got contaminated, no one knows this was done by purpose or not. Just assuming a western chef was jealous of the achievement of China swimmer, he put the TMZ in the food in purpose.........I just guess this is possible. China Antidoping agency found 23 swimmer testing is positive and reported to WADA, if China government want to hide this, they don't have to report to WADA...
America and Europe have more positive drug cases than China. Speak about that as well...further more why would Chinese athletes knowingly ingest tmz 7 months prior to the olympics? Logically I don't see a legit reason for doing so...
The problem with the playing field not being level is within the international drug testing agencies. All positive tests should be made public immediately or none should. That an international drug testing agency will announce that a given athlete or nation has had a positive test result but remain silent about others testing positive is the problem at hand. As Nick stated in the interview, had those positive test results been publicly announced back in 2021 when they happened, there was a chance the athletes would have all been cleared prior to the Olympics anyway. Because of the chosen silence on this in 2021 by the international drug agency we now all have to deal with suspicious thoughts on the entirety of the Chinese team.
Very objective and fair comment, personally I believe what WADA and FINA's clarification about the contaminated food. but WADA and FINA should release this info to public as they deal with this issue. China Antidopping agency found the 23 test positive swimmers and reported to WADA ASAP, so I believe it's not China team or government try to dope in purpose, otherwise China antidopping agency didn't have to report to WADA if China want to hide this.
As WADA stated, they saw no need to publicly announce the release, as the athletes were not found at fault. This is the case with many other countries where over 10 athletes have tested positive ped, (the US is an example 2014), national ada concludes it was food contamination no need to publicly disclose it due to fear of false media coverage
John Smith from Texas? Swam against you on a relay I think at NCAA's once if I remember correctly... Anyway, I stand by that everything should be announced at the time of a positive result. If athletes get quickly cleared, they obviously should announce that immediately as well. Having something come out three years later leaves suspicion on the entire process.
@@gqzhang-t5r bottom line is wada broke their protocol. kamila valieva scandal broke at 2022 beijing olympics, 2 months after her positive test for TMZ, then there shouldn't be any reason why wada would not be able to break this scandal with 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for TMZ 7 months prior to 2021 Tokyo Olympics. bottom line is these swimmers that were tested positive should not be allowed to participate in 2021 Tokyo Olympics. and by rules, they should be banned for 4 years. that means, they should not be allowed to participate in 2024 paris Olympics as well. obviously wada was compromised and being bought by china to break their protocol and stayed silent over this scandal, because the stake is very high.
@@gqzhang-t5rI think USA donated more to wada lol China's additional contributions came on top of $430,000 its government supplied WADA as part of the routine payments in 2019. The U.S. gave the largest regular contribution that year - $2.51 million, but that came as its relationship with WADA was growing tense.
A few very important facts in WADA's report, exculpatory to China no doubt but often excluded from western media reports including this video, are − There were 23 swimmers, and 28 positive samples. All tested positive at the same time for TMZ at consistently very low levels (pg or low ng/mL range). − All 23 swimmers who tested positive stayed in the same hotel & ate at the same restaurant in that hotel. Other swimmers staying in other hotels whose samples were also simultaneously taken, all tested negative. They (the swimmers) were in a city for a national swim meet. − The swimmers were from different regions of China, with different coaches and from different swimming clubs. − The swimmers were in the same place at the same time when the positive samples arose. − A number of these swimmers were tested on multiple occasions during the swim meet. Some of them were tested on two or even three occasions on consecutive days. − For several swimmers, the results varied from negative to positive within a few hours, which is not compatible with a doping scenario of deliberate ingestion nor with micro-dosing. Lastly, WADA stated, "Based on the concentrations of TMZ detected in the athletes’ samples, there would have been no performance benefit during the national competition on 1-3 January 2021, let alone at subsequent events such as the Olympic Games in Tokyo some seven months later." One must wonder why do those who keep pushing a doping "cover-up scandal" narrative keep omitting these facts from their narrative ???🤔🤔
One month on and nothing has been done about this. The videos are only on TH-cam in German. I speak german and this needs to be translated and propgated. It's Disgraceful. Such an amazing Olympics with such a cloud hanging over the fat elephant in the room. Shits me.
Don’t you read news , Chinese swimmers has been tested 6 times per day , that’s why it’s a problem , all the tests came out negative , and people accuse them being doping
Need to discuss protocols used for several other cases where transparency was first impulse and then it was later shown to be environmental contamination in order to show the normal operating procedures for WADA. Of course the lack of transparency here is troubling.
I think it was because the TMZ was in very small amounts, as WADA stated it was such a small amount that athletes would often test positive and then negative the next day. The west wants to slander China right before the Olympics, maybe because they are just starting to get good at swimming
@@JohnSmith-el4rl yup, I do agree with you. Only China & Russia athletes are being targeted on doping issue. Moreover all this news are being dug out just right before the upcoming Olympic Games. I wonder how many western athletes have been using the banned substances but are not being revealed.
@@JohnSmith-el4rlDo not forget that the collective west wants to start a War with China and to demonize the Chinese in this manner is very much part of their scheme.
@@InsidewithBrettHawke I believe in your logic that swimmers are so afraid to get positive in drug testing. My niece is a swimmer for the Philippine team, she would be so afraid to take any supplements even amino acids nor creatine for fear of being contaminated. Always thinking of what happened to Shayna Jack. Last Asian Games in Hangzhou, she was congratulated by the opposing Singaporean coach for swimming well and was offered a bottle of water. She didnt drink bottle of water for fear of being contaminated. Thats the mindset of swimmers nowadays. Every swimmer worked and trained so hard, they wont take the risk of being banned and labeled as a cheater.
@@InsidewithBrettHawke thx for reply. wada declared they were clean to race, olympic allowed them to race. Even now, wada and olympic still own rights of annoucing doppers and taking action to medals
@@InsidewithBrettHawke We all have our opnions but in sensible topic we should be rational and rely on facts and mandate. Just like during swim meet. if my swimmers need to protest they come to coach first then we go to the committee with forms and supportings. Athlete is not batman brett, my full respect to you and your channel, and thats why i only leave my comments here. All the best!
I competed against East Germans - they literally stole countless medals from great athletes -- the one thing I learned - THIS CAN NOT BE A DISCUSSION - countries need to take action -- show constant signs and poster and shirts that they are cheating - never shake their hands - do not celebrate medal ceremonies with them -- Shirley Babashoff - the greatest female swimmer in history because she took a stand - she let people know !!
Was this a doping podcast on the Chinese Athletes only. Why did Nick Butler only mentioned doping among the Russian and the Chinese athletes only. Why were there no examples of doping among the US, British and Australian? 🤔🤔 Thank You.
ok so their explanation is the drug was found in a spice jar. If that's true then it would've been crushed and mixed to the spices at the factory. It sounds ridiculous, but has this kind of incident been recorded before with the spices supplier? If yes and it was totally unrelated then that would be the only thing that can back up this story. Otherwise the athletes had been taking that drug and someone in the kitchen was bribed and boiled a TMZ pill in water under the hood to cover it up - whether that person was on the athletes side or tried to boycott them is another matter. This is some real movie shit ngl.There's definitely been something shady going on between Wada and Chinada and based on the evidence Nick provided you don't even need to know anything about investigating to draw that conclusion.
Sure almost the entire US swimming team has asthma, heart disease and depression. For depression I can understand and you can still participate in swimming competitions. How the hell you can compete in swimming when you have heart disease and asthma? Wouldn’t swimming trigger those? 😂
The problem with your approach to investigating this is that you seem to start with the assumption that this was intentional with bad motives and you are only interested in anything that confirms that interest while discarding information that goes against it, or avoiding discussing it at all if you feel you don't have a good refutation for it.
I'm sorry but if it was found in trace amounts in their bodies then it was taken on purpose. And Brett giving the athletes a pass is just not right. Remember the arrogance of sun yang? I'm sure they know what they're taking and if they get found out would smash blood vials as well
I think the 'blood vials' case is not well understood, or moreso people don't care to understand and are happy to accuse regardless. Would you not be concerned yourself if you were in Sun Yang's shoes if after you gave blood, the testers could not produce the appropriate identification / credentials, and another is standing on the side secretly recording you on their phone? I know I would be. Did you know he also returned 8 negative tests in the two weeks leading up to that day, and that there is actually no accusation that he was doped on that day? He is banned for his arrogance (I agree) and his poor handling of that situation - not because he was doped or that there is suspicion that he was.
I suppose the question I would ask of ARD is timing. Why did they disclose or plan to disclose this information now after knowing about it for two years. Why do it when the Chinese trails were happening? In the UK its not a big story at the moment and UK Swimming only just put out a statement. A rather bland one that we support clean sport etc. I don't think its quite true to say that Wada did not investigate as they clearly put out measures in the press conference to support the theory of contamination.
did you see the documentary already? It took them too long to collect information, confront sources, run experiments, etc. Tha wasn't overnight my friend!
To really level the playground, I think it is the time for every athlete to test and disclose every single supplement they take and every metabolite in their blood stream. Think about the time when France just developed TMZ in the 70's and only they could use it for competitive advantages in olympics. Was that fair for hard training athletes in third world countries?
I believe TMZ was created as a heart medication as Nick stated. It getting used as a performance enhancer came after that... Nick touched upon that in the interview. So it is incorrect to state that 'the French' originally created the substance as a known performance enhancing drug.
@@johnmiranda3641the issue is TMZ has been used for decades to enhance athletic performance. Why was it put on the list decades later in 2014? Are there any other PEDs athletes are currently using but will only be put on the banned list years later? Likely after newer and more exclusive drugs come out? In that case, if an athlete is not backed by strong pharmaceutical development, he/she either always loses or always cheats. How is that fair?
Weather accidental contamination or not, we can’t disclose the fact that this happens to many athletes of various countries, pos test ped, food contamination (one country is the US…)
@@JohnSmith-el4rl when athletes test positive they are suspended. They have every right to get their due process.Shaun’s Jack tested positive the whole world found out. Why the secrecy. Also it’s Sun Yang drug of choice.
There is more probability of steroids being in the drinking water (zero) than this stuff in a kitchen. Did they also find anti cancer drugs? Antibiotics? Maybe the kitchen was formerly a pharmacy?!?!?! LOL UNREAL!
I have had a hard time beleaving in chinese swimming since the Sun Yang smash. At that point im selling my tickets for the Olympic swimming events. Since there is at least on russian or Chinese swimmer in every event im interested in. A shame
Now there's a racist comment...😅 Purple Haze all in my brain lately things dont seems the same😅...we're White, dude. Our faces flush red/ blue when we strain ourselves
Brett, how many Olympic you got?
0
How many Olympic champion did you train ?
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How many hair do you have ?
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How many follow do you by lying and defaming innocent athlete ?
1 million ! 🎉
@@moonshine2468 I will add one more. How much social credit do you have? 0
More well informed fact based conversations need to happen in Swimming, like this!
Why is everyone so afraid to speak about this?!
Thanks for standing up Brett & Nick!
Thanks kyle!
I'm sure you've figured this out for yourself, Kyle, but I think one big reason is the amount of money invested in the competitions and the public appeal of bigger-faster-stronger. A slight (PED infused) improvement can mean a victory and thus fame, TV money, and an enhanced reputation for the country. So, folks are afraid to say anything because it might incriminate another team, maybe even a teammate, and the whistleblower doesn't want the consequences such as ostracism, media seeking more information, harassment, backlash, etc. But also, if WADA and/or the Olympic committee backs off an investigation because the guilty verdicts would "ruin" the competition, then the violators get a free pass "this time."
P.S. Also, as Nick says in this video, it might be hard to know who the guilty party is----the athlete(s) or someone higher up with the power to "contaminate."
Comment anything negative on a Chinese swimmer and see how the response is
@@StrangeLittlePoet123 yeah comment anything regarding the US swimmers turning purple after the competition and see what’s going to happen
@@KyleMillisyou may wanna go back to your Oxford dictionary and check out what is the accurate definition of well informed or fact
what BS &, hypocrisy, mate your talking about something that happened before the last Olympics, its well documented that those athletes have been tested hundreds of times since then, and been tested 6 times more than any other country at this current Olympics, with negative results, what about all the the other athletes from other countries, e,g the American sprinter Erriyon Knighton who tested positive for a band substance, which was found in his food, and was cleared for this Olympic, seems to me a lot of jealousy, here, move on, they are just better than the rest at the moment.
The TMZ ban started in 2014 but the drug was developed in the 70's. Are there any world records achieved by athletes using TMZ before 2014?
How about more advanced drugs that are not on the banned list yet but only accessible to countries with highly advanced pharmaceutical industry?
Russian samples >> 2006 onward had TMZ. Part of testing is research.
U.S is on the top list to research the drugs.
I’d suspect Sun Yangs times are all doped, I think he’s got the mile record.
@@sethaldrich6902 There is no substantial reports yet verified by the swimming authorities to support your opinion, SunYang's times still valid in FINA. so it'syour opinion not fact.
@@sethaldrich6902 what about other top athletes before 2014 when TMZ was not considered PED? Or any current top athletes using more advanced drugs that are not on the banned list yet?
Nick, you just gave them a free pass, saying "it's awful for the swimmers." They knew exactly what they were doing!
Good to finally have some level of investigative journalistic insight on this topic.
What don't you ask for the investigations of the Americans & Australian s TUEs? Chinese swimmers been tasted more often than their western counterparts. Be fair & talk about the American cover ups of their drug abuses.
Thanks guys. Nice to get some solid info about this.
Go team purple face !!! Go team Ritalin !!! go team therapeutic exemption !!!
All your athletes are doped up cheaters but u still lost medal count...cry
Well said. He is too afraid to talk about the purple face because he is part of the doping
Nice work Brett! I remember competing with you in Australia - you are nearly as good a podcaster as you were a sprinter! 🎉
@@pelhamh sure he secretly coached Kyle Chalmers and Kyle didn’t even know about it lol
Brett confirmed USA woman team world record and distance is humanly impossible ! Investigation and dopping tested should be done immediately!
No he did NOT he confirmed the Chinese 100m Free result was impossible ! That is statistically impossible - so your comment is not right, correct or in a ball park of truth!
Waiting for a Brett Hawke and MorePlatesMoreDates collab - that would probably break the universe
That is actually a great idea. Brett you made this happen, reach out to him and Ronnie Coleman. They can pick PEDs a mile away.
Brett, I think your videos are great. Actually getting into detail about stuff. Keep it going!
I appreciate that!
Thanks Brett and Nick! Excellent coverage.
Glad you enjoyed it!
We have a highly professional team here, with dozens of high performance athletes and due to carelessness the technical committee together with the hotel did not check the origin of the food that would be served to the athletes?? Please...let's not be naive. China has a long history with doping.
it's very easy to serve the contaminated food to athletes in a hotel.
2015yr, Malaysia team attend the 2016 rio Olympics selection meet, all national team got the diarrhea because they eat the spoiled chicken.
I highly accept WADA and FINA conclusion, China team's food got contaminated, no one knows this was done by purpose or not.
Just assuming a western chef was jealous of the achievement of China swimmer, he put the TMZ in the food in purpose.........I just guess this is possible.
China Antidoping agency found 23 swimmer testing is positive and reported to WADA, if China government want to hide this, they don't have to report to WADA...
As with Australia.
America and Europe have more positive drug cases than China. Speak about that as well...further more why would Chinese athletes knowingly ingest tmz 7 months prior to the olympics? Logically I don't see a legit reason for doing so...
The Americans, the Anglo Saxon. @@azuretran7395
Us as well. And Anglo.Saxons have long history of slavery, looting and murd er
The problem with the playing field not being level is within the international drug testing agencies. All positive tests should be made public immediately or none should. That an international drug testing agency will announce that a given athlete or nation has had a positive test result but remain silent about others testing positive is the problem at hand.
As Nick stated in the interview, had those positive test results been publicly announced back in 2021 when they happened, there was a chance the athletes would have all been cleared prior to the Olympics anyway.
Because of the chosen silence on this in 2021 by the international drug agency we now all have to deal with suspicious thoughts on the entirety of the Chinese team.
Very objective and fair comment, personally I believe what WADA and FINA's clarification about the contaminated food. but WADA and FINA should release this info to public as they deal with this issue.
China Antidopping agency found the 23 test positive swimmers and reported to WADA ASAP, so I believe it's not China team or government try to dope in purpose, otherwise China antidopping agency didn't have to report to WADA if China want to hide this.
As WADA stated, they saw no need to publicly announce the release, as the athletes were not found at fault. This is the case with many other countries where over 10 athletes have tested positive ped, (the US is an example 2014), national ada concludes it was food contamination no need to publicly disclose it due to fear of false media coverage
John Smith from Texas? Swam against you on a relay I think at NCAA's once if I remember correctly...
Anyway, I stand by that everything should be announced at the time of a positive result.
If athletes get quickly cleared, they obviously should announce that immediately as well.
Having something come out three years later leaves suspicion on the entire process.
@@JohnSmith-el4rl sounds reasonable. I stand with you.
Is there any chance to see the documentary outside of Germany? Thanks!
I watched it here on TH-cam. The channel is Dark Side of Sports. It is in 4 parts and has English sub titles.
简直就是胡说八道，拿出事实证据。美国队员现在同样的问题，说是食物污染，仍然代表美国队参与短跑，请分析一下吧
Brett, did you learn how to lie from Raygun’s Olympic application ? 😂 She wasn’t supposed to be there, either are you.
Very insightful
Too many questions, too much secrecy...
Of course always no questions about the American swimming team or the Australian swimming team because no test no positive no doping 😂
Cope😂
Now, which WADA people have pocketed the 2mil Chinese donations personally?
any evidence about this？ or you just spread the rumors and trying to denigrate Chinese swimmers.
@@gqzhang-t5r bruh they already r😂
@@gqzhang-t5r bottom line is wada broke their protocol. kamila valieva scandal broke at 2022 beijing olympics, 2 months after her positive test for TMZ, then there shouldn't be any reason why wada would not be able to break this scandal with 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for TMZ 7 months prior to 2021 Tokyo Olympics. bottom line is these swimmers that were tested positive should not be allowed to participate in 2021 Tokyo Olympics. and by rules, they should be banned for 4 years. that means, they should not be allowed to participate in 2024 paris Olympics as well. obviously wada was compromised and being bought by china to break their protocol and stayed silent over this scandal, because the stake is very high.
@@gqzhang-t5rI think USA donated more to wada lol China's additional contributions came on top of $430,000 its government supplied WADA as part of the routine payments in 2019.
The U.S. gave the largest regular contribution that year - $2.51 million, but that came as its relationship with WADA was growing tense.
Wu Mao.
A few very important facts in WADA's report, exculpatory to China no doubt but often excluded from western media reports including this video, are
− There were 23 swimmers, and 28 positive samples. All tested positive at the same time for TMZ at consistently very low levels (pg or low ng/mL range).
− All 23 swimmers who tested positive stayed in the same hotel & ate at the same restaurant in that hotel. Other swimmers staying in other hotels whose samples were also simultaneously taken, all tested negative. They (the swimmers) were in a city for a national swim meet.
− The swimmers were from different regions of China, with different coaches and from different swimming clubs.
− The swimmers were in the same place at the same time when the positive samples arose.
− A number of these swimmers were tested on multiple occasions during the swim meet. Some of them were tested on two or even three occasions on consecutive days.
− For several swimmers, the results varied from negative to positive within a few hours, which is not compatible with a doping scenario of deliberate ingestion nor with micro-dosing.
Lastly, WADA stated, "Based on the concentrations of TMZ detected in the athletes’ samples, there would have been no
performance benefit during the national competition on 1-3 January 2021, let alone at subsequent events
such as the Olympic Games in Tokyo some seven months later."
One must wonder why do those who keep pushing a doping "cover-up scandal" narrative keep omitting these facts from their narrative ???🤔🤔
you're gonna need some TMZ to take me down on my push 12.9, #sprintrevolution
One month on and nothing has been done about this. The videos are only on TH-cam in German. I speak german and this needs to be translated and propgated. It's Disgraceful. Such an amazing Olympics with such a cloud hanging over the fat elephant in the room. Shits me.
it was a hospital kitchen in the cardiology department... given the type of pollutant 🤣🤣🤣
Why were't the Chinese swimmers tested in this competition' or someone is hiding the results?
Don’t you read news , Chinese swimmers has been tested 6 times per day , that’s why it’s a problem , all the tests came out negative , and people accuse them being doping
@@karycooper1 he read the news of course. He just couldn’t face the music
Need to discuss protocols used for several other cases where transparency was first impulse and then it was later shown to be environmental contamination in order to show the normal operating procedures for WADA. Of course the lack of transparency here is troubling.
if World Anti-doping Agency claimed so, why the doping test conducted by the 2020 olympic never showed anything?
I think it was because the TMZ was in very small amounts, as WADA stated it was such a small amount that athletes would often test positive and then negative the next day. The west wants to slander China right before the Olympics, maybe because they are just starting to get good at swimming
@@JohnSmith-el4rl yup, I do agree with you. Only China & Russia athletes are being targeted on doping issue. Moreover all this news are being dug out just right before the upcoming Olympic Games. I wonder how many western athletes have been using the banned substances but are not being revealed.
@@JohnSmith-el4rlDo not forget that the collective west wants to start a War with China and to demonize the Chinese in this manner is very much part of their scheme.
I don’t understand why Brett is so resolute that there was no wrongdoing by athletes and coaches. It seems unknowable so why be so affirmative?
Because I believe in the honesty of swimmers, not governments.
@@InsidewithBrettHawke I believe in your logic that swimmers are so afraid to get positive in drug testing. My niece is a swimmer for the Philippine team, she would be so afraid to take any supplements even amino acids nor creatine for fear of being contaminated. Always thinking of what happened to Shayna Jack. Last Asian Games in Hangzhou, she was congratulated by the opposing Singaporean coach for swimming well and was offered a bottle of water. She didnt drink bottle of water for fear of being contaminated. Thats the mindset of swimmers nowadays. Every swimmer worked and trained so hard, they wont take the risk of being banned and labeled as a cheater.
I cant understand why pointing fingers to china instead of wada, the decision is made by wada right?
WADA didn’t dope Chinese athletes.
@@InsidewithBrettHawke thx for reply.
wada declared they were clean to race, olympic allowed them to race.
Even now, wada and olympic still own rights of annoucing doppers and taking action to medals
I guess that’s why they are getting heavily questioned now
@@InsidewithBrettHawke
We all have our opnions but in sensible topic we should be rational and rely on facts and mandate. Just like during swim meet. if my swimmers need to protest they come to coach first then we go to the committee with forms and supportings. Athlete is not batman
brett, my full respect to you and your channel, and thats why i only leave my comments here.
All the best!
I competed against East Germans - they literally stole countless medals from great athletes -- the one thing I learned - THIS CAN NOT BE A DISCUSSION - countries need to take action -- show constant signs and poster and shirts that they are cheating - never shake their hands - do not celebrate medal ceremonies with them -- Shirley Babashoff - the greatest female swimmer in history because she took a stand - she let people know !!
If the Australians didn't break this story, and if the ARD documentary wasn't released, would we still not know about this?
bring Clarence0 in pod cast. He has a video on youtube on how wada is under funded, out dated and IOC doesn't care about it
Just watched a topic "Exposing Purple Face Olympic Swimmers". I guess it takes one to know one 😂😂
Everything is humanly impossible until someone does it!
The above applies Equally to every human!
Was this a doping podcast on the Chinese Athletes only. Why did Nick Butler only mentioned doping among the Russian and the Chinese athletes only. Why were there no examples of doping among the US, British and Australian? 🤔🤔 Thank You.
innocent until proven guilty, sure, but it doesn’t look good for any involved, including the athletes.
ok so their explanation is the drug was found in a spice jar. If that's true then it would've been crushed and mixed to the spices at the factory. It sounds ridiculous, but has this kind of incident been recorded before with the spices supplier? If yes and it was totally unrelated then that would be the only thing that can back up this story. Otherwise the athletes had been taking that drug and someone in the kitchen was bribed and boiled a TMZ pill in water under the hood to cover it up - whether that person was on the athletes side or tried to boycott them is another matter. This is some real movie shit ngl.There's definitely been something shady going on between Wada and Chinada and based on the evidence Nick provided you don't even need to know anything about investigating to draw that conclusion.
Sure almost the entire US swimming team has asthma, heart disease and depression. For depression I can understand and you can still participate in swimming competitions. How the hell you can compete in swimming when you have heart disease and asthma? Wouldn’t swimming trigger those? 😂
We need to investigate wada whos taking
The problem with your approach to investigating this is that you seem to start with the assumption that this was intentional with bad motives and you are only interested in anything that confirms that interest while discarding information that goes against it, or avoiding discussing it at all if you feel you don't have a good refutation for it.
I'm sorry but if it was found in trace amounts in their bodies then it was taken on purpose. And Brett giving the athletes a pass is just not right. Remember the arrogance of sun yang? I'm sure they know what they're taking and if they get found out would smash blood vials as well
I think the 'blood vials' case is not well understood, or moreso people don't care to understand and are happy to accuse regardless. Would you not be concerned yourself if you were in Sun Yang's shoes if after you gave blood, the testers could not produce the appropriate identification / credentials, and another is standing on the side secretly recording you on their phone? I know I would be. Did you know he also returned 8 negative tests in the two weeks leading up to that day, and that there is actually no accusation that he was doped on that day? He is banned for his arrogance (I agree) and his poor handling of that situation - not because he was doped or that there is suspicion that he was.
@@XwD77 dude's on China's payroll. go get it commie
I truly believe the athletes didn’t know. Just my opinion and belief.
I suppose the question I would ask of ARD is timing. Why did they disclose or plan to disclose this information now after knowing about it for two years. Why do it when the Chinese trails were happening?
In the UK its not a big story at the moment and UK Swimming only just put out a statement. A rather bland one that we support clean sport etc. I don't think its quite true to say that Wada did not investigate as they clearly put out measures in the press conference to support the theory of contamination.
did you see the documentary already? It took them too long to collect information, confront sources, run experiments, etc. Tha wasn't overnight my friend!
They were researching it for 2 years. Information was provided slowly.
Nah they released now to cause controversy and smear China’s integrity right before Paris games
Tey were not ALL eating at this hotel, that needs to be looked at.
If it is dangerous to disclose this data why would you go on the internet talking about it...just saying
To really level the playground, I think it is the time for every athlete to test and disclose every single supplement they take and every metabolite in their blood stream. Think about the time when France just developed TMZ in the 70's and only they could use it for competitive advantages in olympics. Was that fair for hard training athletes in third world countries?
I believe TMZ was created as a heart medication as Nick stated. It getting used as a performance enhancer came after that...
Nick touched upon that in the interview.
So it is incorrect to state that 'the French' originally created the substance as a known performance enhancing drug.
@@johnmiranda3641the issue is TMZ has been used for decades to enhance athletic performance. Why was it put on the list decades later in 2014? Are there any other PEDs athletes are currently using but will only be put on the banned list years later? Likely after newer and more exclusive drugs come out?
In that case, if an athlete is not backed by strong pharmaceutical development, he/she either always loses or always cheats. How is that fair?
Obviously there is an issue, what are you doing about it?
Great episode. I don’t believe this story of accidental contamination.
Weather accidental contamination or not, we can’t disclose the fact that this happens to many athletes of various countries, pos test ped, food contamination (one country is the US…)
@@JohnSmith-el4rl when athletes test positive they are suspended. They have every right to get their due process.Shaun’s Jack tested positive the whole world found out. Why the secrecy. Also it’s Sun Yang drug of choice.
Oh Juicey! Pardon the pun...😂
Ι'm so glad I stopped swimming 😂 the dumbest sport by far.
There is more probability of steroids being in the drinking water (zero) than this stuff in a kitchen. Did they also find anti cancer drugs? Antibiotics? Maybe the kitchen was formerly a pharmacy?!?!?! LOL UNREAL!
Somebody peed in the food
Wada whos taking ££££££
I have had a hard time beleaving in chinese swimming since the Sun Yang smash. At that point im selling my tickets for the Olympic swimming events. Since there is at least on russian or Chinese swimmer in every event im interested in. A shame
The is a US and Australian swimmer in each event too…
What’s the likelihood China gets band from the Olympics
Zero
racists
Pls investigate the purple face of US n Aussie team, Brett. Don't be double standard, especially a Chinese hater for no reason.
Now there's a racist comment...😅 Purple Haze all in my brain lately things dont seems the same😅...we're White, dude. Our faces flush red/ blue when we strain ourselves
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Thanks for this one Brett. But I don't see the point of spending the first 10 min in asking/explaining acronims, everyone in this podcast already know
You’d be surprised how many don’t