BYD Shark Frame & Engine - Innovation or Unnecessary Complexity?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- In this video, Sandy, Armin, and Paul discuss the frame and engine from our BYD Shark mini teardown.
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#byd #bydshark #hybrid
Sandy saying this is over engineered makes me want one.
lol!!!! he wanted them to cut more corners isnt it! the hybrids needs bigger engines so that they can work less harder to do the same job as regular ICE. truck frames today are much much beefier than before! ive watched the repair process on a crashed land cruiser 250 by boosted boys and they said it was super hard before the frame is very though.
Sandy engineered the fuel tank in the Ford Pinto.🔥 Just joking…
If the engine is as sturdily built as the car, this thing will never die.
Not if Trump can help it!
Munro is in the business of maximizing a manufacturer’s profit, not maximizing consumer value.
True.
very well said!
Yes that's the difference between a capitalist and a communist mindset I guess
@ Didn't used to be. American firms, once upon a time, tried to deliver a good product at the best price.
Now, they just ban everything else and call it freedom.
Exact. How much did Muskrat pay this guy for good reviews.
A couple notes:
- This is the world's first longitudinally mounted EHS system. It's the only one that runs north-south, every other single speed EHS runs east-west.
- No planetary gearset as mentioned in the video. It's just a single gear ratio that is primarily used to run the generator. But can also switch to parallel mode and assist the electric drive motor to drive the front wheels in high acceleration situations.
- Its a structural battery pack, that's why there are no cross members across the middle of the frame. The Battery acts as the cross member and makes the frame extremely rigid.
- Power components are generally located on the electric motor assemblies. That's why there's power running to the back, the rear motor is likely to house the dc dc converter, onboard charger, etc.
My YT channel goes through a lot of BYD tech from a high level perspective. Check it out if interested in getting an idea of what BYD is doing at the moment!
Cool thanks for sharing. Looks like they did a great job.
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You’ve got to do one of your reviews… in this case reviewing the reviewers! These guys have no idea… gosh Sandy’s biased. Where’s their review pointing out the emerging crap on the cyber truck !
It got to the point, that every time he said he wouldn't do it this way, he was talking about something buyers will appreciate, and often also places where US manufacturers cut corners to cut costs. Like the rubber pressed in on the battery pack, to protect assembly workers and maintenance technicians from the sharp edges on the fittings.
Pretty obvious too with what they said about the frame around the battery, that they're unaware of China's ongoing development of Battery Swap Stations.
@johnbentley6925 Sandy and the guys at MunroLive have a lot lot lot more expertise than I will ever have! (Which lets face it is basically zero, I never claimed to be an expert in anything. I just do a lot of reading!)
And because of that I honestly don't believe I have the right to criticize anything they have to say.
I was just pointing out things they will eventually come across in the teardown that they just haven't gotten to yet.
But if you want my take...I never heard him say anything was bad, just that he would have done things differently. That's a good thing! It means there is still room for improvement and I'm actually really keen to see what they come up with.
How dare they over engineer a cost effective vehicle and give the consumer more value for money
The leopard 5 has the same chassis, check how it did in this accident
type in youtube "Leopard 5 accident"
The leopard 5 has the same chassis, check how it did in this accident
type in youtube "Leopard 5 accident"
Don’t know why my comment keep on getting deleted?
Instead of creating: "value for the shareholder"...
@@nomayor1 offering a better product does increase shareholder profit through increased sales and market share. It's brand building 101
@@awesomekidthe2nd And brand loyalty. The problem is, companies don't think like that anymore. Companies only think until the Quarterly earnings and the CEO's bonus.
This channel seems loathed to review this truck positively. Overbuilt and over engineered at a low price is exactly what I want as a consumer.
Is it a low price though? $50K pricing in Mexico doesn’t sound cheap to me.
@@kyleklemanhe’s literally saying it’s tougher than tanks he built. That’s a cheap freaking tank many would love to buy
He doesn’t want to be seen complementing it does he. I really appreciate their efforts in stripping it down and posting the videos for us to see how it’s built but the guy has such a negative mindset on this car he’s not making himself look very professional at all. I think perhaps he’s just smarting that China has shown them (America) up as inadequate and over priced and he’s not happy about it at all.
Maybe they are evaluating it negatively because it isn’t built very well. I don’t know why people seem so determined to make everything into a rah rah my team.
I guess people prefer over engineered over built and over priced vehicles.
If Chinese cheap out on something Americans complain, if Chinese over engineer something, Americans are unhappy again. So what is it? I am for one happy that it is over engineered. I bought a Toyota recently and and it is clearly not as strong as Toyotas in the past :(
butt-hurt fellas thats for sure and we always blamed the bean counters for cost cutting when we were all wrong.
the tables have turned, now the americans are reverse engineering chinese cars lol Old mate complaining its over engineered was hilarious.
Old gero hates its engineered like a tank, we gotta love how butt-hurt they all are as it was always thought the accountants told engineers to cost cut, but it seems these engineers are why US cars suck so badly.
No one is reverse engineering this truck. It is not a bad truck - don;t get me wrong but to say someone needs to reverse engineer it is a bit off.
They want it like US trucks, under engineered and over priced anf less reliable. 🤦🏻
@@RagnarinVa you must be watching a different video my friend
@RagnarinVa alot of Americans wish they did. They been asking for this
This car costs $36,500 USD in Australia. The new Ford Ranger PHEV will cost $53,000 USD with a much smaller battery giving just 45km of range, a single 75kW electric motor, fewer features, shorter warranty and apparently, after watching this, a lower level of build strength. Hmmmm.
El unico ,pero, que tiene es su control de traccion pero una lo optimicen sera una de las camionetas mas envidiadas 😊
@@simonmiller5118, if only that’s how it worked out but Aus dollar price is $57900 plus on ORC.
@@titanx04 US$36,500 is AU$59,006 at todays currency value. So this one is lower priced in Australia then in the US, unlike every US branded product ever.
@@titanx04 need more editing! DIdn't you read that @simonmiller5118 compared two cars properly....in the SAME currency? Or are you requiring that he states the obvious, and does the currency conversion for you as well? "if only" suggests something is factually wrong..... when it is NOT.
@@orlandoalarcon4158 that was an old pre production model tested, in the latest reviews the traction control works well.
Their ignorance of the whole vehicle is just staggering! Couldn’t they have spent 10 minutes reading up on the DMO system at least?
@@eight50 yeah he's pretty senile
This is how it must be. Then compare that findings to company given sheets.
Reverse engineering is not that easy. Lots of considerations.
They wonder why the American Auto industry is behind,the comments about over engineering says it all,Yanks produce Overpriced cheap junk
Yup, quite some ignorance around the specifics of the vehicle, economy of scale dictating common parts across models, importance of perception of extreme ruggedness being Chinese who are always viewed with suspicion of marginal engineering, requirements of countries outside the US (the entire world's manufacturing doesn't exist just to please the US market). The vehicles lack of power for highway towing applications is already a problem, but sure, make it a 1.0L 3cyl or non-turbo engine lol. That was difficult to watch though to the end.
Unfortunately as time goes on, I realise how biased they are
Imagine if this truck had a Tesla badge? Sandy would have to leave on a stretcher in ecstasy from being blown away by the amazing quality.
YES
Why else would he find it over engineered? Tesla's simplified elegance makes others look unnecessarily complex, with additional points of failure.
He would have sprained his arm roman saluting so hard.
You mean like the Cyber urinal?@@eternalbalance7703
totally agree with you!
In Australia the warranty for the Shark is 6 year vehicle and 8 year battery
In Australia owners of Chinese vehicles find that it takes sometimes months to fix a warranty claim.
@@moestrei But easy to find distractors.
Australia is smart not to get into Trade Wars with China.
@ In the US Tesla owners find that sometimes it takes months to fix a warranty claim. Sometimes a year or longer.
@@RichardKing-sx6xc Australia will do what their American masters tell them to do, like spending (or donating is debatable) $400Billion of tax payers money on a bunch of over priced crappy subs.
Very disappointing... They mostly seem to have done little real research and seem annoyed that it was so well built and strong...The vehicle drives like an EV with a range extender that drives the engine
Sandy. When you say the tup is over done you have made yourself look like an idiot. It’s almost a copy of the arranger tub with a couple of fixes. Why fixes. The ford one cracks driving down the road let alone having load in it. I own one or each a new Ranger and the shark. The shark is built to prevent all the issue the Ranger is having. I work in the industry and having both vehicle side by side and driven them under load in anger the BYD is more fit for purpose than the other vehicles in the segment.
very good info :D
As a consumer, I wouldn't mind over engineered vehicles for a lower cost😅
It is like the ORIGINAL Oldsmobile Tornado front wheel drive model. This first year were amazingly robust with ball bearings all over. Subsequent years were cheapenized with bushing bearings instead of ball bearings, and the resultant maintenance headaches.
Reality: Most truck buyers are becoming more HIGHLY skeptical of the ever cheaper GARBAGE quality of US and some Asian Trucks. quality has nose dived for reliability and durability and excess complexity. BYD may be going for OLD SCHOOL overbuilt to exceed expectations and gain a Reputation for amazing capabilities. (instead of the Munro approach of CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP)
@@pablopicaro7649 Exactly! If Chinese cheap out on something Americans complain, if Chinese over engineer something, Americans are unhappy again. So what is it? I am for one happy that it is over engineered. I bought a Toyota recently and and it is clearly not as strong as Toyotas in the past :(
Yes, imagine at the dealership and the sales person asks "would you like this over-engineered, overbuilt truck or this one where it is engineered to the bare minimum to save costs? Oh and BTW, the overbuilt one is cheaper, uses less fuel and is way quicker."
@@pablopicaro7649 Being in business for over 45 years, your product or cost doesnt mean a lot when reputation is everything.
I’m no engineer, but while it’s commented that it’s over engineered for American standards but it’s likely made to meet Australian standards. Our guys are already getting these off road and fitted out with aftermarket accessories. We hold our vehicles to a higher build quality than most American made vehicles, so I would argue that it hasn’t been designed or made to suit the American market.
I can identify with that. There's also the South American and African markets as well. I have friends in Guyana who who still use Bedford Army trucks in the Amazon and in the gold mining industry as modern American and Japanese trucks with computerized electrics can't withstand the conditions, and I question if the BYD Shark with all it's computers, electronics batteries, motors would hold up any better in the Amazon than a computerized Ford or a Toyota street truck? How waterproof is the battery back and generator? If they can routinely operate submerged as utility trucks do in the Amazon then perhaps it would run for a while.
They say over engineered like its a bad think.. 😂 outside of American they have high safety standards so makes sense to build to the highest standards..
@@ashan2272 They are looking at it from a cost to manufacture... not for the end user. Their business is to tell manufacturers how to optimize costs to maximize assembly simplicity and profit.
@ "Over engineered" may be a politically correct term for something else not quite synonymous with "Highest Standards"
@@GetOffMyyLawn that’s absolutely correct if your designing to a singular market, but when your designing and manufacturing to suit multiple markets your going to build it to the highest minimum standard to increase compatibility across all the markets. BYD is expending very aggressively across the western market, there is another 12* models that are coming to the Australian market by BYD within the next two years.
With a solid frame to protect the battery and fuel storage, so strong that requires a tank to crush it, and engine crutch arrangement that makes it more efficient in highway driving.... and Munro's comment is "I really don't see the advantage"???
lol!!!!! it doesnt require a tank to crush it! its the body and the body is the weakest part so it doesnt matter at all! there is no advantage there
Backfired Gents ~ sign me up for a BYD ~ All the 'flaws' I want...
It's weird that so many people are commenting about BYD being a "new" company. The company is 30 years old, have been building cars since 2003 and building EVs since 2009. They are the worlds largest manufacturer of EVs (ahead of Tesla) and by far the largest manufacturer of EV trucks and commercial vehicles. If I had to guess, the overbuilt quality of these vehicles is for markets where trucks have to ACTUALLY be durable unlike the US market where insurance companies will total your vehicle after a fender bender so it doesn't have to actually survive much abuse. Yes I said that: US manufacfuring is focused on disposable vanity trucks, because that is what sells. Also, in other markets like Asiana and South America, smaller trucks are doing the same jobs that in the US you would get an F250 or F350 to do, so this is a "big" truck in terms of capabilities in a smaller package... which sounds awesome. Some of this "overbuilt" quality is likely carryover of parts and processes from their commercial truck business. It is certainly an informed choice and not a rookie mistake. If anything, all of Sandy's "criticisms" all sound to me like reasons to buy this truck over the competitors.
Also the HV "loop" appears to be charging on one side and drive train on the other side.
Yep. Sandy criticisms are from an industry expert and consultant POV. To help manufacturers cut costs and optimize profits. From a consumers standpoint however what he thinks is best isn't necessarily what's best for the customer.
Reality: Most truck buyers are becoming more HIGHLY skeptical of the ever cheaper GARBAGE quality of US and some Asian Trucks. quality has nose dived for reliability and durability and excess complexity. BYD may be going for OLD SCHOOL overbuilt to exceed expectations and gain a Reputation for amazing capabilities. (instead of the Munro approach of CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP)
@@pablopicaro7649 Actual reality: those people keep buying those disposible vanity trucks and paying tippy top dollar for them. If they wanted to send a message to those companies, they should stop buying the trucks.
You are spot on. I think they want to build their name as the modern HiLux replacement - unkillable. What would you take on an remote areas trip in Aus/Africa or put to work in Asia/Africa. It would HAVE to be STRONG truck. Lets not forget the F100 was a half ton truck for many years, compared to the 1 ton for the early HiLux trucks.
@@pablopicaro7649 The bigger reality: until they stop buying the garbage trucks at inflated prices, those companies will just keep on making them. Hard to communicate disappointment by handing these companies 80k every few years.
Overdone ? What a bunch of idiots.
and yet bean counters were always blamed for cost cutting instead, here are the guilty parties. Not researching just bitching is pathetic also for car engineers.
THANK YOU for this video! I'm DEFINITELY BUYING ONE NOW :)
For German cars, oh yeah, this is what luxury cars should be built like; for byd , oh yeah, it's totally wasteful for these redundancies or simply overdone stuff.
From the byd perspective, as a growing company, it's doing everything possible to build up its brand, rather than doing stealthy cost-cuting things or cheapening things up.
BYD to replace Toyota in Asia Pacific market
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lol!!!! German cars are also over engineered the same way! did you have a loock at the latest electric gwagen?! its litteraly an even better tank than the older ones! it has tons and tons of redundancy and battery protection you can litteraly drive on rocks the whole day even in water and nothing will hapen.
the Mercedes Unimog one of the toughest vehicles ever made is litteraly used for everything from military to mining, construction, overlanding, utility works....
@@AlfarrisiMuammar in your dreams lol!!!!!
Sandy doesn't really seem to understand what truck buyers want.. at all. We WANT and over engineered truck. In what dreamworld is being over engineered and TOO strong a bad thing. This dude is just a freakin "git off my lawn" old man.
Also, you do know that the engine needs to drive the truck directly when the battery is empty, right?
That is the mind set of most auto engineers. Find a way to split a penny to 2 and make it to get a one dollar worth job done.
He comes from the American automobile industry where manufacturers building to a cost rather than building to a safety, comfort and quality standard is the norm.
Aussie here, seeing these pop up around the country. Reviews are positive, it tows with relative ease, fuel consumption is 9l/100kms highway, around town an easy 80km on electric only. Ford ranger hybrid AUD$103k, BYD Shark AUD$57K, China is lifting the bar. You yanks should be terrified
Cause manufacturers want to sell more vehicles, and selling overengineered vehicles gets in the way of that.
Sandy doesn't give a SHIT what the consumer wants. Only thing he cares about is how to manufacture the vehicle cheaper. That's his business. So he can tell the manufacturer "i can save you $2 on building this car but you have to pay me $1 to tell you". And we end up with a car entirely held together with plastic clips. No user serviceability and poor repairability.
9:10 coupling the ICE to the drive wheels is EXTREMELY sensible and smart. This is because in the real world, PHEVs tend to drive in one of two main operating conditions, either slow speed pretty much entirely off the battery (ICE = OFF) or on a highway (medium speeds) where for a small battery capacity, small Emachine capability PHEV, and in this case a high road load (large, high drag) vehicle there are very very significant loss reductions by driving the wheels directly rather than though the electric traction system. For example road load at 50mph is likely to be in the order of 15kW, so reducing loss from around 12 to 15% (going through the generator -> motor) to less than 1% (direct shaft drive of wheels) is a very very large saving indeed. IE once road loads exceed 10kW, you WILL be running the engine on a small battery PHEV, and once you are running the engine, it's far far better to drive the wheels directly.
The Chevy Volt got this right all those years ago as you mention!
That’s the common 1.5L Turbo engine is common in multiple BYD vehicles. Cost efficiency is gained with keeping standard and hi volume production levels. SMART !
Yeah, BYD's 1.5l turbo engine is secondary to their battery systems, so they want a single, standard unit that gets shared across all DM-X systems, allowing them to focus efforts elsewhere. Sandy is coming from Western OEMs, where they have several motors of different configurations and output, so it makes more sense to optimize each engine cost this way. BYD iterates new generations of their engines for better efficiency and performance, rather than new engines for different use cases. This means that the same engine development R&D spend rapidly produces superior range extenders compared with having to iterate across several configurations.
@@ZweiZwolf thats why I will never buy a US car made from planned obsolescence penny pinchers like Sandy and yet they always blamed the bean counters for cost cutting.
It's obvious that BYD engineered the Shark to have world class passenger ride and safety characteristics, with high frame rigidity and stiffness and NVH management. Plus, the strength of a F-150 for towing.
The 1.5l engine is designed for efficiency across several platforms, so turbocharged intercooling is standard. 4 cylinders have less vibration & harshness with better smoothness and power delivery over a 3-cylinder, especially if when connected to the wheels for highway use where there is more variance in rpm. If this had been a pure Range Extender without any mechanical drive coupling, then BYD might have gone with a smaller 3-cylinder engine with a narrower power band.
You're on point about the number of cylinders. I have a tractor with a 3 cylinder engine and an excavator with a 4 cylinder engine. Both engines are rated at 40HP, but the excavator sounds and feels smoother than the tractor when operating at maximum power output. (It also guzzles almost twice as much diesel per hour!)
Although untested yet the shark has been designed to mean EuroNCAP and ANCAP safety standards which is more stringent and far exceed the NHTSA. I'm Australian and taking the neutral ground here but based on this video and the general belief of most Americans, it is clear beyond any doubt that it is hard for Americans to fathom that China actually makes cost effective vehicles that are better made and safer than anything coming out of the USA.
That frame is over engineered in a good way.
I think you guys are looking at this vehicle the wrong way, BYD have been building vehicles since 2003 so they know how to build, they have built this vehicle to be very strong, not cheapening it down to a price using just enough paper thin metal to do the job like US vehicles that are made to last 5 years before it's rusted and stuffed, Sandy just hates Chinese vehicles and it shows here because he is an Elon fan, he didn't show any interest in this vehicle at all.
You are right mate, he is pure salty gave no intellectual insight and was trying to beat down on the car. He clearly has a biased agenda. And he’s said so himself in the past he has stocks in either rivian or Tesla or maybe both.
So tired of biased people accusing other people of being biased. So, so tired of it. Are there any intelligent, curious people left on this planet?
22 years really? I didn't know that, that's longer than Chrysler Australia was around. and they where great cars
Obviously beetr engineered and built than "Trucks"lets be sane it's a Ute not a truck and it's not built like American Junk.Let's face it when he mentions."when i worked for FORD" it says it all.
Seen it all now 3 clowns bagging a product that is overbuilt over engineered,under priced they should be ashamed of themselves, that is why ford are travelling so well ( not ) think this sums it up for these idiots, think they would be able rebuild it and sell to some bugger with out knowing.
Hahaha, these guys are using 1950 knowledge to comment on a 2025 design..
Over engineered? You supposed to make a negative video against it, but turned out to be a BYD commercial! Good job. I am absolutely buying one. Luckly I am in Australia lol
he's trying to convey "overdone" is a bad thing ;D BYD is coming, no doubt.
While it may be overbuilt from a manufacturer's perspective, it sure looks like it's a lot more in line with what the customer would really like to have. Don't forget, it's the manufacturer's that dictate what goes on sale and it's not like the buyer's have any say in the matter. I can really see why our so called American car/truck industry is scared of BYD. If the Americans would 'over-build' something like that, that appears very serviceable, everyone would buy one.
Over built isn't the same as well built. Heavier isn't the same as sturdier. Extra weight hurts range and economy.
@@hogi99 You can't say that exclusively, can you? If someone really cares, It would warrant a closer look. I think it's a refreshing approach. You have to say open minded and not be so quick to dismiss. Think DeepSeek.
It seems that the vehicle is a Frankenstein quickly cobbled together to hit the market, and they’ll work it out later!
As they are heavily subsidised by the Chinese government, the idea is to gain market share, not probability, to the detriment of other nations and car manufacturers.
They have targeted Australia and NZ as their first targets... That's a tough market for any Ute distances roads and environment... kangaroo s and Camels Road trains Dust, Floods, rocks and Australians.😂
They did their homework , searched their bits piles and then added some extra for the Crocodile 🐊 Dundee factor... 😂
@@chrisharper2658 ohhh NO thank you, i don't wanna have communist regime dictate and restrict my future surrounding with lies explanations, that is the ONLY reason for careful approach... get it through your BOT mind
So now a well done vehicle is bad. This guy is so full of crap. Just talks nonsense...oy vey what a comedian
BYD blade batteries are designed to be structural, they don't need cross members.
They ARE the cross members.
I don't understad the engineering logics? We should use the structure of the frame to protect the battery or we should use the battery structure to protect the frame? Which material can catch unstoppable fire and post more risk to human life? I believe we would rather write off a car than a human life. Perhaps, BYD engineering can do both at once. Let's wait and see the statistics in five years times.
@ BYD is using newer LFP battery chemistry than is much less prone to fire. They do a nail test, where they drive a steel nail completely through the pack, and it doesn't burn up. While unlikely to burn up, the battery pack is very expensive, so they naturally want to protect it. It's also structural, so it needs a strong, rigid frame that's properly matched to the pack case.
Sandy: "No one makes steel fuel tanks. Hard to do welding and leak a lot."
Also Sandy: "Why would they put pumpable sealant over their welds?" for the metal battery pack enclosure.
The byd engineers and accountants gonna really love you guys.
This engine has a thermal efficiency of 46.06%! So whatever they have done, it must be good.
"It looks overdone." Are these reviewers stupid enough to believe that they are credible when they attempt to portray superior engineering as not only unnecessary but detrimental? "Overdone" means that it's built stronger and better than anything that can be compared to it.
And somehow that's supposed to be a bad thing? Are you revieweers really that stupid or are you just getting paid to say that?
They do get paid by manufacturers, that's their primary audience.
@@imconsequetau5275 That's completely logical for them to resent any manufacturer that build vehicles better and cheaper. Now if they also build them faster... Insult to injury.
12:17 that "loop" in the DC link isn't causing any significant inductance increase because it's a physical loop not an electrical one! Notice, DC+ and DC- are duplicated on both sides, so the current path is closely coupled on each side and no H or E fields are created across the middle of the loop.......
I'm betting on side is for charging and the other side is for drive train. So only one side will be active at any given time.
Correct. The inductance that might be an issue in the + wire is cancelled out by the equal and opposite current in the - wire just an inch or two away.
These fellas seem pretty smart I would listen to them
At the back of the truck there are multiple AC outlets with power enough to run power tools. The DC link would be there to power a AC converter in the back.
I noticed the same thing. I thinks they're being overly critical because it's not the way that the industry has been going in. What next, repairable battery packs?
Sandy just dribbles so much shit....
The motor is designed to be running and driving the wheels at +40mph, while towing a 2.5t trailer
.. 6 ton gcm.
This is a car that gets 500mile range and is refilled in 15min. Actually usable for the working class of the world, compared to the cyber truck turd.
Good point.
Well done, comrade!
+20 social points
@@YuriPetrovich sorry dude... This is Chinese taking advantage of general motors failure.
This is just the motor and electric configuration pioneered by the GM volt... That they have basically abandoned.
Imagine all the huge gas guzzling trucks with a similar configuration, obviously upsized to the size of the load
@@AnarchyEnsues GM made a lot of wrong decisions in their foray into electric vehicles they abandoned good engineering,then others snapped it up,thats what happened in the American Auto industry when the allawed bean counters to run their industries.
@ 100% its because finance runs america... finance wants profits yesterday for todays work. its why boeing is going to disappear without a major restructing... same with gm
Americans saying it’s over engineered and over robust ! The US vehicle manufacturers and building standards are terrible !
Looks like BYD built a truck that will have good resale value , and will be tough and stand the test of time further promoting more sales. Battery looks very tough and easy to remove if needed.
From the cost perspective these guys are on spot. But from a potential buyer perspective, I love the design choices for the power train. Makes it interesting.
The American Paranoia and anxiety about everything China really is something to see
How long have you been in China, and how familiar are you with with manufacturing culture and business in China? As an American who spent some time in China, married a lady from Wuhan who's family was involved in the Military and manufacturing, and as someone and also many years in Engineering and Aviation, I would not use the term 'American Paranoia' but perhaps healthy skepticism and suspicion.
Excellent rebuttal!
Having worked on some Chinese equipment, I would say at least skepticism might be a better term than outright paranoia. I’ve encountered some pretty cheeky engineering and/or assembly. Chinese manufacturers are able to make good products, but the domestic engineering talent and financial/regulatory incentive isn’t always there to do so. That can lead to products which have very curious incongruities of over and under engineering side by side
Sandy is bullish as hell when it comes to China, he's not showing any bias here. This thing is a franken design, probably hurried along to get to market quickly.
@ Good comment. This reminds me of the first iteration Rivian R1-T which had some things which were overwrought. The trade-off was getting the product out the door in less time.
Oh no they've got a lot of crash protection, what a shock for the 'chinese cars unsafe' club 😂
Different type of truck.
It needs that amount to get a 5 star safety rating in Australia, which is what fleets buy, because their insurers offer better rates.
Check how leopard 5 “which is built on the same chassis” did in this accident
th-cam.com/users/shortsZ2S1mGePNJE?si=FgucJZNjIT1jXr6f
And it’s not selling in the Australian market only in china
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Sorry but what a load of crap about the front pulley TV damper! It would cost MORE to make that a specific part for this engine that has no FEAD, because obviously, that engine or a derivate of that engine does have a FEAD on other models, hence the grooved perifiery for the Multi-V ribbed belt. The only cost saving would be the deletion of the V rib machining, but then the TV ring would be a different mass, so you'd have to retune the TV (costing money for testing and validation) and now you have a unique part of just this derivative, so you have doubled your stored and inventory work. The cost of the Vrib machining is tiny, it'll be done by a capstain or CNC lathe, making tens of thousands of pulleys, so there is actually very little money to be saved (perhaps a couple of cents) which given a TV retune and validation is heading for $100k at least if you want to do it properly, would clearly never pay back........
Sandy just talks a lot of shit.
Probably just more expedient to use existing mass produced part, Item are Made on NC lathes, it is very easy to recalculate the Inertia to make a Rib less version.
100% correct. They use these 1.5T engines on almost all there PHEVs with or without a turbo.
@@AnarchyEnsues he seems really ignorant. Surprised that it's a turbo, when that's what's on the label.
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Wonder why these guys are criticizing a frame that's clearly engineered far better than most anything made in the US and anywhere else? And then coming up with negative speculation as to why?
I'm sure there are issues with this vehicle, but this review smells like propaganda paid for by either the US Government or the corporations that run the US Government.
Maybe they choose their words to avoid repercussions from praising their work, given that China bad is a thing and freedom of speech not so much in the current political climate.
@@LouisSubearth Then why do they even bother to do the review.
Sandy wasn't making a video for consumers but for manufacturers.
@@imconsequetau5275 I was wondering about that. It's still a public video with close to 20k views at this point so I'm not so sure the target audience was only a few people.
So wether this video was only for auto execs/engineers/techs/decision makers, I watched it. My background is a former engineer, quality assurance tech, mechanic, and crewmember/pilot in the aviation industry for 45 years. Military, general, and part 121 aviation.
This kind of technical video is pretty much what I watch, although for some reason TH-cam has not sent these feeds to me before. Google does not like me much and that feeling is mutual.
So my initial impression is that I smell bullshit. I'm watching more videos from this channel so I'll see what this channel is made of. Right now it looks like an MSM propaganda production which is why I started watching TH-cam back in the day, to get away from that garbage.
We'll see
@@LouisSubearth Maybee. Your point that "They chose their words" seems to be the key to my smelling bullshit with this review.
This review was heavily laden with an air of contempt for what is obviously beneficial engineering.
Watching these guys reminds me of the apes in Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey finding the black obelisk and having NFI what it was but dancing around it beating their chests and smashing bones.
This is fast becoming a comedy channel.
Sandy needs to protect his access to North American Auto execs, he so clearly "in the bag".
I'm finding more useful info in the comments than te video itself.... sorry Sandy
We will never know what Chinese IP US companies will steal!
And? Because the US builds a car one way, don't expect that China should build the same way.
US auto manufacturing tech is in no way the "gold standard".
Not sure how you can comment it's overdone when at the price point it's exceptional engineering! Also the second set of cables running down the chassis is for the power outlets in the bed to run your power tools.
They could not afford a safety scandal when trying to penetrate a new market, but they could definitely afford a bit more metal.
So they over did it, they will optimise the design in later iterations.
Yes, I guess this is the thinking behind, as growing new company .
@@mingouczjcz3800 They've been around for 30 years. This is not a new company.
@@mingouczjcz3800 BYD bought the state-owned automaker bankrupt in 1998.And then named it BYD auto So they are not a new company .like leapmotor, li auto or Neo.
If you knew what low grade Chinese steel is then you will understand why they had to double up on the chassis build.
@@mingouczjcz3800 Theyve been making cars for over 20 years.
What most people here don't appreciate is that this is not a channel focused on the end consumer. Munro seem to be cost reduction and lean manufacturing consultants. They look at every aspect of this car with a "necessity" and cost optimisation aspect with a manufacturing lens. As an engineer working in a similar space, I can appreciate the approach. Many here appreciate the "overbuilt" aspect, but overbuilt doesn't always mean better. If elements are overbuilt that don't need to be overbuilt, it adds additional weight which comes at the cost of efficiency and reduced load capacity.
Also interesting to see the difference between the two Americans and what I would think is a German guy.
"Over done" These people are used to shitty products and bad quality products focused on cost cuts!
Hahah goes to show what they are used to 😂
Due respect guys, This thing has been designed to beat Ranger and Hilux in the Australasian, Asian and African markets. We don't have many 'full size trucks', nor do many want them. What consumers demand is maximum durability and good power and efficency. This machine looks like it will hit it out of the park.
Yeah, this is a Hilux killer, superior durability, higher convenience and comfort, but lower operating cost.
Shark is using the same platform as their luxury off road SUV called Leopard 5 which is the top selling offroad SUV in China. Not surprised that they would overengineer it.
? offload -> off-road
The Aussies are raving about this pickup. 2.4t tow testing, off-road ability, overall performance. The brand has suffered some Burn Your Driveway incidents in China, but they sold over 4m electric and hybrid vehicles worldwide last year, so they're ramping up to be a major global player.
Its a testament to western scorn when the abbreviation of a Chinese vehicle producer which cars burn much less than legacy counterparts are made to paint it with specifically the characteristics which it does not have.
The Shark 6 isn't sold in China.
@@zagan1 no market in china with current culture and laws
The towing tests did not go real well
@@tallboy49 While the vehicle wasnt in tow mode. Makes a huge difference
Maybe the BYD-Team saw some whistlindiesel-videos.
Yes, we need WD to spend a week with one of these!
was thinking the same
I would pin this comment!
@@ingo_8628 no comment from Sandy about the ass getting pulled out of the casting...
Really proves casting isnt the be all
lmao, it would last longer than the cyber truck for sure.
These dinosaurs us engineers can’t get their heads around the new high standard engineering from china 😂
Now I want to buy one.
looks like to me these Munro live people dont have an idea how this car works. when under load, this engine is spinning at more than 4000rpm to cope with the electricity demand for top up the battery. as a 1.5 litres engine with turbo charger, it is barely enough when towing a 2.5 ton caravan. please do some reading and studying first before make comments for such a new car. As for the battery which need strong protection to minimise the fire danger in case of accident.
Not 100% correct in my experience but I definitely would not want a smaller engine
It's an off-road rated PHEV designed to last. Very much in-line with their previous ICE models.
4000 rpm is actually a very efficent speed for petrol engine. I recall the AZ engine from Toyota going 4500 for 1 mins when it freshed come off assembling line. It is a way to check for a normal noise and sort of breaking in the engine.
overcapacity now its overdone wtf
lol
I'm too old to bother buying one, but it seems to be a brilliant design, especially compared to the US-built competitors. I get the impression that your collective comments seem to be quite negative. With a 36K USD price, it's a bargain.
the simple explanation to all their questions is because BYD took all these parts from existing parts bin, both within BYD and suppliers.
Very disappointed in this review the bias is over the top and the comments support this. This model is selling very well in Australia where we need over engineered vehicles for offroad.
Monroe has brown nosed Elon so much he cannot give an honest tear down of any vehicle in competition with him.
He keeps suggesting that this engine is oversized, the truth is that this engine and battery setup runs well when towing at capacity for around 70km, once the battery is depleted and the engine directly drives the car at highway speeds the speed is limited to 70kmh. This engine if anything is undersized for this reason and not fit for purpose. Do better Monroe.
Ask Toyota and Dana about dip wax frames. I have a 2005 Tacoma which was manufactured at NUMMI in Fremont (now a Tesla assembly plant). Within the first year I owned the truck, all the dip wax washed off the frame and left the steel bright orange. The rust was so bad that Toyota took the initiative to replace the frame, springs, brake lines and fuel lines for free. The job on my truck took two dealer technicians two days. Toyota wound up replacing many thousands of Dana frames on Tundras and Tacomas. Think of how much that badly done dip wax cost.
In a Road Salt environment that would rust out very fast
Reality: Most truck buyers are becoming more HIGHLY skeptical of the ever cheaper GARBAGE quality of US and some Asian Trucks. quality has nose dived for reliability and durability and excess complexity. BYD may be going for OLD SCHOOL overbuilt to exceed expectations and gain a Reputation for amazing capabilities. (instead of the Munro approach of CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP)
I suggest you search for BYD crash videos. There are some where they crash against a semi truck trailer and it's the trailer that gets fucked up. Everyone in the car was totally fine.
BYD does make some crap cars sure, but they also make some legit world class stuff.
BYD employ over 100,000 engineers. It’s off the charts.
The Shark - built to survive a Whale attack.
No wonder the American car industry is on its knees and lagging with vehicle technology and engineering. What I read into this is - oh shit, this is amazing how can we compete with this !
GM wax covered frames were a nightmare any place with road salt in winter. Every thing I have seen here makes me like this truck even more. North American: "How cheap can we make this?" Chinese: "How good can we make this?" No wonder we'll never see this on the road here.
Chinese quality, the Americans are astounded. Welcome to the China century!
Bot?
Not bot REALIST 😂
@@jackoneil3933 Adjusting to reality.
Bots don't have 12 year old accounts.
@@jackoneil3933
It's been like this for a decade or two, just most westerners choose the cheapest product, instead of pay ing bit more for the quality one. Greed and poor consumer knowledge led to this reputation for China and it's nice to see more people slowly figure it out.
I believe the shark will have a 5 star safety rating in australia as do all of the chinese cars that have been released here
The Shark is selling well in Australia. So far reviews are mixed but the pricing is very sharp.
@@grungysquash1 pricing is very appealing.. and if the rumors of an upgraded model with 3.5t towing is correct then even if it’s another $10k, it’s likely going to be popular..
Im not a fanboy, but I’ve never seen a new vehicle to market get such positive reviews than the Shark has. Only negative reviews have been with pre-production vehicles and irrelevant towing test.
Australian here, I have a new Shark 6, its beautifully built , drives very well very quiet and comfortable, surprisingly capable off road too. big bonus when i go camping i can power my fridge, portable AC , coffee machine , lights and projector etc from the Sharks battery , its brilliant , we love it !
ps i does 0-100kmh in 5.6 secs so Far from slow 🙂
@@davidm2893thanks mate genuinely looking for this comment when i was a bit worried about buying one
Decades ago, BYD was considered a tinfoil death box.
Starting with the BYD Tang, engineers wanted to turn the brand around, even at a higher cost. Every generation of BYD since then has been considered an overweight road tank. BYD doesn't intend to use more advanced technology to protect drivers, they just use double the steel and weight to ensure victory in every collision. BYD is often accused of lacking pedestrian protection and battery efficiency due to excess weight (the Shark has 2.7 tons), but the brand just don't care and only serve the buyers.
When you are about to hit a BYD, you‘d better wish you were driving a BYD.
5 years ago
@@michaeljiang960 Tang was released in January 2015.
BYD cars score very well in current Euro NCAP and AZCAP testing, meeting or beating Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc. They're very cognizant of Chinese (and other) consumers wanting a safe car.
Canada should IMport these IF Trampy doesnt back of w tarrifs 😂
Sandy you are long overdue a trip to Zhejiang . Its the heartland of China.
You people did no research or due diligence on this product and byd at all.
The engine is a generator only at normal driving, but serves to turn the front wheel at high way speed or wen needed
Only the young guy is right, the engine DMO is also used in other platforms such as their suv
Leopard 5 and leopard 8 off roaders.
Please do some due diligence
They call it transvers mount duall mode offroad
The engine is an eight in one technology, both engine and front motor are fused, that's the reason the engine is bigger than a normal 4 cylinder
Good thing they say this at 9:00 if you watch the video 😂
Relax bro it's not a personal attack on China.
I think the Leopards use a 2lt over the Sharks 1.5, which will probably be available on the Shark soon.
@@jayartz8562 Probably not necessary. Highway speed for passenger vehicles is well within a 1.5l engine capability, especially with a big electric motor and battery to smooth things out. It's not like they need a bigger engine for torque when the EV side provides far more torque than an extra 500 cc could possibly add. I'd expect BYD to phase out the 2.0l engines in favor of further standardization on the 1.5l engine.
@@ZweiZwolf It will be for the towing aspect.
How exactly is this a "Trojan Horse?" A trojan horse is used to obtain a goal so what is that goal supposed to be in your opinion?
Out compete against US and other automakers that put out an inferior product?
Those aluminum welds that you acknowledge are the best welds one can create. The steel welds on the frame are also very good. In many cases those welds are superior to Tesla, most US and other automakers, and even higher end cars like Ferrari. The splatter coming off the welds of those cars is indicative of their lower quality.
Easy peasy, their goal is to undermine a well established automotive industry in the western world by using huge government subsidies, infringement of patents, cheap labor and no environmental regulations. Hopefully people will be waking up sooner or later and don't buy their crap.
“Overly robust”? Suits me, love it!
Compensating for being built from Chinesium steel. All of the steel we've bought from China was very poor quality.
@@engineer1692do you mind list out the grade of steel you expect and the one you get. How is the chemical composition and what is the mechanical properties. Which out this detail, it is hard to have a sense of what is really going on
@@engineer1692 yeah they kept the good steel for themselves lol
@@engineer1692 apart from all the bureaucracies and corruptions, I'd say yall got the steel is poor quality for the penny yall paid.
A reminder: Sandy was the one warning all viewers that new Chinese cars will crush others. What Sandy and his team are saying now is due to changed circumstances, they can no longer tell viewers Chinese cars are better. They have to find a way to deliver mostly useful info to viewers without getting into trouble.
I respect Sandy and the team tried that in today's environment of cross pacific relationships.
😂With this over built over engineering truck. And they can still turn in profit then I will be very concern if my product is optimized for cost saving.
What are u saying.....Rubbish talk.
@ you should watch their old videos about chinese Evs.
North/South engine is for wheel travel and shaft lengths . DMI is the the frontWD version of this engine and it is East/West. This is DMO (O= Offroad). If you look at the Bao5 (Shark is based on Bao5), it has hydraulic suspension that raises and lower the vehicle. They need articulation.
Being engineers these people are dumbasses
Has he worked on tanks? 😅 The obsession on “value” and “cost effectiveness” has been the downfall of mainstream manufacturers. The Germans built their name on over engineering and longevity, but have largely lost that reputation now to their detriment. “Over engineering” or quality isn’t a bad thing….
The blade battery is the soul of this ute while none of the folks seems aware of that.
I think they have to realise that BYD are building a platform for their future cars not just the shark, its way cheaper for them to reuse the same chassis and parts even if it doesn't "make sense" to look at. Towing capacity is lower than others but by the look at the chassis they have plans to fix this probably another reason they build like this.
Even if it is over done or over built it seems to be paying off for them, in countries that don't have stupid tariffs its way cheaper and better than any of its competitors.
Here in Aus its going to be hard for anyone to beat this, especially on price ...good luck Hybrid Ranger.
As long as they hold up over time then I'll probably get one once they start making different cab styles / larger trays.
Wonderful video. Competitive analysis, no matter what the industry is challenging. Until you can understand the reason why something is done it is hard to know what is worth emulating. MANY YEARS ago, I learned about the launch of the LS400 in 1989. When it was torn down for competitive analysis, it was a shock where dollars were spent to exhibit refinement. The steering columns were isolated so that there would be NO VIBRATION for the driver to feel during startup. Not easy to do and shocking it would be included on a first effort.
I expect the Shark will be shock to the system for US automakers. From a strategy standpoint, Chinese automakers are actively building export plants including Mexico. A similar effort in Canada amid trade friction and random behavior could place America in a weird place. People travel to their neighbors and experience products they CANNOT HAVE. This will be hard on Americans when they see these sorts of vehicles in the flesh.
The ICE engine needs to be powerful enough when the battery is exhausted and your towing.
Already tested in Australia and shared on TH-cam. The engine struggles in that scenario.
yeah and thats the reason why hybrid vehicles have somehow bigger engine sizes so that they arent overstressed when it comes time to perform hard.
The fact that Chinese engineering is not a copy !
na we are bruh, we copied from a guy named copy
Can’t wait to see that battery and transmission opened 😁😁👍👍✅✅
His comments about not understanding when he actually knows nothing about it is comical
This is how Toyota should do Hilux pickup for European market, would love it.
BYD for me really nailed Shark pick-up, just leapfrog others
12:24 : “troyan horse” puré paranoia on the max expresion.
Great autonomy, great accident protection, corrosión protection, great assembly, steel tank, great welding, really good amenities
conclusion: great vehicle, and for the price the best in the market.
What they fail to grasp when discussing the “over-engineering” of the chassis, along with the gap between cross beams, is the battery unit is a structural component of the vehicle. The size and strength of the chassis (that they state is over-engineered) obviously greatly limits potential side impact damage (as he admits) and thus protects the battery from potential damage - and we all know what happens when these batteries get badly damaged! The build quality and design choices made for this vehicle is in steep contrast to something like the Cybertruck (which in its current form will never be allowed on Australian roads because it cannot meet our design and safety standards).
8:42 Lawyers are more expensive than the initial complexity, especially for a new brand that needs to establish credibility.
Thanks Munro Live, i now understand why American trucks don't seem to do well outside of America. Its all about cost cutting and bare minimum cost. Seems all their Engineers are all about cost cutting, and cut some more. So Chinese here we go, bring on the "Shark 6"
Really need a deep dive into the powertrain architecture here. Efficiency and range etc.
Since the RamCharger will have similar architecture, this is very new and innovative. Seems ideal for larger trucks and industrial applications.
A bit disappointed that this review was not more serious and in-depth. Its a compelling product architecture.
VIA motors was doing range extending trucks and vans since 2014 converting GM vehicles, but especially for back then it was much more expansive then mass public would be willing to pay starting at 80k
I see old people getting together and trying to criticize something about this car. And they understand that America is behind in its technology, China has caught up and surpassed them... Would you buy such a truck for half the cost of a Dodge Ram in the US?
If you look at the Savage Tech Australia video, they have a Shark towing a 2.5 ton trailer. It raced a Ram HD on the highway. Their biggest criticism is the throttle is too sensitive and it is too easy to speed in the Shark while towing at its max rating... clearly they sandbagged it on tow rating and it could tow more if needed. They seem to building in a significant safety margin to ensure it can stand up to abuse.
😂The tow rating is more of compliance to some local regulation some speculate. They engineering it as HD, but classify it as LDT. So more people have access to it. But how they use the truck.... Whoops, BYD has no control.
Yeah, build for heavy duty, rate it as light duty, and everything is very understressed for longevity. Better than building light, rating heavy, and hoping it doesn't break more than expected.
One of the factors with regards to why its over engineered may also be due to PR and optics. This is amongst the first of the Chinese export market pickup truck/utes. Chinese manufacturers are doing their best to shake the stereotype that Chinese build quality is sub-par. When you have a vehicle that is built for rugged offroading, etc, you want its build quality to shine. Yes it is over-engineered and yes they could have done it cheaper, but they are leveraging cheap labour to build a superior quality product and with all of that in mind, they still managed to offer it at a market leading price point.
Glad BYD are building the cars and not these muppets.