Looking for my first nylon guitar. I'm selling my expensive dreadnought of 20 yrs. #1 its big and doesn't get the playtime is should. #2 because of #1 each time i play, my fingers blister again. Wanting a beautiful tone nylon that i can play everywhere comfotably. Don't care if it's inexpensive, just want beautiful sound and intonation. Which would you recommend? In comparison with what you suggested, how do you feel of fender fa15n full laminate 3/4 and the fender cn140sce or fender cn60? Love to hear your thoughts. Im wanting a guitar that i can play everywhere and not worry about it. (Reason im looking at fender is i believe they have a truss rod and can run silk steel or light steel if wanting a change)
Thank you. My guitar is a Yamaha C40. And I'm just returning to playing after a 50 year break. This time my goals are considerably more mature and much better informed. It's good to know something about "my" guitar, which I bought from a friend some ten years ago, and my granddaughter used in her guitar lessons and now it's back with me. Very comforting to know it met the qualifications for this video and hence is appropriate for me. Thanks again!
Amazing information here! I had a yamaha classical for years since taking one year of guitar class and stopped. Hoping to get back into it, but don't know where to start. Would be amazing if you do tutorial classes on classical pieces!!
The worth thing to make you give up is when bar chords (simple F) is near to impossible just because of a bad guitar... When you discover a well adjusted guitar and discover that this bar chord was not that so much hard to make... You are relieved... And the sun comes back in the sky of your mind...
I'm a luthier that sets up a lot of classical guitars. I'm rather surprised about your Valencia recommendation as the ones I've had have been rather average with not much tone. Yamahas are always desirable but here in the US we don't see too many Ferrer or Admira guitars. I've set up 3-4 Admira guitars and they seem quite decent at those price points. The big champion budget model here is the Cordoba C5, which I've sold tons of. I also have good success with Kremona guitars, which being made in Bulgaria are probably available there in the UK too. J. Navarro guitars are decent - as are the all solid wood model guitars now being made by Thomann, which are incredibly under $150 for all solid wood. The Godin brand, LA Patrie, also makes nice nylon models made with all Canadian wood. For really cheap laminates it's Cordobas, Yamahas, Takamines, and the odd Washburn. There are a few smaller brands like Lucida and Antonio Hermosa but I find them rather inconsistent and a bit risky. Great video.
I have been using a Valencia for almost 20 years. I'm left handed. Im looking for the next good classical guitar but I dont want to break the bank. I know often brand names are just charging their names value. What do you recommend as a next step?
Thanks for mentioning La Patrie, which is now being released as Godin Nylons, Godin has owned them for decades and decided in the last few years to put their name on them now. I am often stunned they are not mentioned, solid wood guitars, handmade, excellent action and quality for a remarkably low price for what you get.
I have recently replaced a Hohner 4/4 classical giutar that I'd had for over 40 years! It had been used, abused and lent out numerous times. The last time I got it back after not seeing it for 4 years, it came back with steel strings on, and damaged beyond repair. It wasn't a great guitar to start with, and I had been given a Yamaha C40 since then, which was good. However, this too wasn't in great condition when I got it. It had been spray painted red and black, and knocked about, but still played OK. During lockdown 2020, my local music shop was closing down and selling off stock. So I went in to see what bargains they had on classical guitars. They had sold nearly 2/3rds of their stock already, and had about 9 classical guitar models left. 6 of them were way out of my price range (over £1000 to 3000). Of the 3 that were left, they were cheap chinese brands I'd never heard of, snd they weren't very good build quality. I thanked the man for his time and was about to leave when he asked me to hold on while he checked upstairs. After some bumping around noises and 10 minutes later, he emerged with a boxed Valencia VC 304ASB 4/4. It had been put away for a customer months ago but they never paid or returned for it. I had to tune it to try it and checked it over. It sounded really nice despite the light guage discoloured strings. The action was perfect if a bit low (3mm low E, 2.5mm high E at 12th fret), but none of the strings buzzed anywhere on the uncoated Teak fretboard. The body was matt finish antique sunburst with a solid Sitka Spruce top and Teak bridge and bone saddle. He had a box of accessories that had been put away with it and were all Valencia brand too (foot rest, DVD, pitchpipes, string winder thing, clip on electric tuner, capo and a Dunlop set of 2 bottles of fretboard cleaner and wood oil). Oh, and it had the thin canvas Valencia carry bag too. After a few quick trial tunes I decided I wanted it. The price on the paper note was £175. I could sense that he wanted me to take the guitar and all the other stuff too, so I asked how much for just the guitar? He mumbled something and said this lot has to go with it or I'll never sell it before we close down. He pulled the note off the box and said "if you take it all with you right now and give me £100 in cash it's yours"! I just had £115 and some change when I left home, and I'd been for a coffee with a friend, so I was lucky that I still had enough when I paid. There wasn't time to get more money from the cash machine before closing time. I have to say that it was a real bargain! I'm not sure of the list price of this model, but it's a really good quality guitar. I replaced the strings with some Daddario medium guage ones which sound even better than my Yamaha guitar! So I can definitely recommend the Valencia VC304 as a good guitar.
Thanks for the video, Andrew. It's a joy to hear your recommendations. I'm more of a steel string player myself but I dip in and out of classical/flamenco playing from time to time. I've always found it far more daunting to find a good nylon guitar over its steel string sibling. I suppose because it's a more niche area - though perhaps you feel differently? Certainly, there are plenty of options to choose from in this list and I'm very tempted to buy the Yamaha C70 after hearing your glowing review! After some research, I came across the Thomann Classic 4/4 Guitar and wonder if you know about it? In any case, I've done a review which you can find here if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/50cdU54ILWk/w-d-xo.html. You're right, there's a great guitar community on TH-cam and I hope it's a useful addition to new buyers and more seasoned players alike! Thanks again for the video 👍
They are all such different instruments and therefore the more familiar you are playing one type the more you will understand the differences between models and the sound that you prefer. Glad you found it useful. best of luck!
For a beginner with the Valencia guitars I would really recommend the 3/4 size ... Easier to learn chords and transition... And the smaller size makes it more intimist when you hold it in your hands...
I love a lot of the Thomann named gear. i use there stuff in my studio and there studio touring casing is exceptional value for money. I have not tried there guitars but would love to to be able to recommend them.
My only classical guitar was a medium quality Ramon Angles guitar from Paracho, Mexico that I selected and purchased there in Paracho from his shop in 1968 when I was a teen. I remember I paid $60.00 from my allowance and my parents added another $20.00 so it came out the shop door for $80.00 U.S. currency. I had the instrument until 2009 and gave it to a relative. If one could purchase the same instrument now, it would run about $600.00.
It seems contradictory but with any instrument not just guitars the best instrument for a beginner to start learning on is the best quality instrument they can afford. Learning on bad instruments just inhibits your learning. learning on good instruments helps the learning process
@@AndrewKeeping yes that is a big problem. But that's where good advice comes in. They need videos like yours and maybe a bit of local advice when buying
Yamaha has standardised their manufacturing process for many years. The cheap and expensive guitars are made the same way. The difference is only in the material. Of course I'm not talking about their GC concert models, which are handmade by their luthiers.
I have been very impressed with the Thomann products in general. Their attention to detail in design in brass, woodwind and studio equipment is excellent. i have had some students play their guitars and they love them. i would love to trial some of the Thomann guitars to really test them out.
I must confess I have never tried one of these guitars. they look good and the feedback is very positive. I would love to try one to be able to recommend them.
Depends. I would either go into the shop and sit down with one. If you can't I would suggest going for the Yamaha as a good around starter that is guaranteed a consistent postage delivery.
I started off with cheap steel string guitars which was very difficult and painful But I was very relentless and passionate so I continued on. Finally discovering a quality instrument was a real joy..looking back I would say any kids starting out definitely needs to get something with low action that tunes in well Basically the quicker they can start making something that sounds musical the more likely they will be to stick with it... Traditional classical guitar would be a great place to start problem is most kids are not going to want to do that they are going to be leaning toward electric guitar or at least a steel string acoustic.. Unless you're going to be somewhat involved in your child's playing and set them up with formal lessons classical would be difficult to start with.. The best advice I can give on starting out is a Taylor Gs mini or a Martin junior you will drop 5 or $600 but they hold their value well an offer the best starting size frame... Also tuning and string changing is a big part of starting out you want to make that as smooth as possible for the beginner... Classical nylon strings will be difficult for the beginner... All you can really hope is that the student Continues to generate a deep love for the instrument they will eventually find their way to nylon strings...
I tried few very cheap guitars and not very good experience. What you recommend from these little bit more expensive, but anyway for beginning trying to find as cheap as possible but good enough. Valencia or Yamaha better for flamenco? I am now in India so I have limited guitars in a list to buy, can you tell which would be better? When I will come back to Europe there will be more other options, but now in India need a guitar :) Yamaha few models: C40 (97$) th-cam.com/video/7GWozUFTdzI/w-d-xo.html C40M (95$). Does M means Matt Finish? C40II, mark 2 I don't know what is the difference these are little bit price higher but I can afford. There are few Valencia, heard they are also good brand, less price, 200 Series Full size (62$) this one I don't know if neck is normal 4/4 size, need to check 3000 Series Full Size (75$) VC564 4/4 Series 560 (85$) th-cam.com/video/6M9jh4wxnGs/w-d-xo.html
Hi, I would like to know if you were me, which one would you go for Yamaha c40 or Cordoba c1m? (P.S. I am student and beginner, would like to buy a guitar that I can enjoy learning and playing while with decent quality and at the same time reasonably inexpensive.)
I have played both and as I mentioned I have taken the C40 with me when on hols, however, I tried a Cordoba and was very impressed. I would opt for the Cordoba. But your choice.
@@AndrewKeeping Hi again, thank you for your reply Andrew, I found a very nice deal and bought new Yamaha c70 for 65£. After getting good at playing guitar, in the future I will be thinking to buy cordoba either c5 or c7. I am still a beginner and learning playing guitar. ✌🏻
I am an experienced guitarist with a few performance degrees who had just gotten back into playing again after a 40 year hiatus. At any rate, I believe your suggestions are excellent ones. I had recently purchased from an establishment that I had not heard of before (Musician's Friend) a Yamaha CG192 Spruce top that was out of box for the remarkable price of $365 due to a tiny scratch (which you can't even see unless you are searching for it) on the back. I am in no way affiliated with Musician's Friend. However, I am completely enamoured with the guitar they sold me now. Having said that... the guitar had a terrible set up upon arrival. The saddle was WAY too low and consequently, the instrument buzzed. (A new student might simply feel that there was something wrong with the guitar and not realize that the issue was completely due to the saddle.) First thing I did was change the low action strings, replacing them with higher action. This hardly helped at all. I knew that I must replace the saddle. Thankfully, I had an old unplayable guitar from which I could switch out saddles. Now, the guitar is the best one I've ever owned. It plays amazingly well, with a rich, loud but warm tone and I absolutely love it! Who would think that the cheapest guitar I've ever purchased would wind up being my favorite?
Hi Andrew, great video. Out of these, which one would you recommend the most. I have budget for each one of the list you mentioned so would rather buy something of good quality?
@@AndrewKeeping Thanks for the reply! I've been using a cheaper Martin Smith 3/4 guitar for a few months now. With the options you've recommended, do you think I should upgrade to a full size?
Hello, Pls, help me ! I have 59 yrs and started to play guitar again after the 30 yrs of pause! I have a guitar from China, Classico model CG303, bought it 10 yrs ago and it was very cheap. The price of € 50 tells you a lot. I noticed the damage on the body in front between the hole and string bridge. Can you recommanded me some cheap but good classical guitar for playing who has a good sound ? I'm playing only on metal strings. Thank you! Regards from Zagreb, Croatia, Europe. Btw, if you can find some cheap , limit is the € 150.
@they have left handed guitars if that's really what you want to go for@. Scratches head trying hardnto think of one naturally right handed player who had any great impact on the world of music.
I’ve played electric and steel string acoustic guitars for many years but I recently decided to buy my first classical guitar to see if it would be something I’d enjoy and could branch out with. I didn’t want to spend much so I went with the Yamaha as I’m a big fan of their steel string acoustics and have a couple of them. I bought the C40ii after trying it out in store and I’m very pleased with it. I don’t think I’ll go the full classical route with it but it will help me develop my finger picking skills better and it inspires new styles of music for me. At the low price, it’s a fine quality instrument that is giving me exactly what I hoped for and expected from it.
I have purchased the yamaha C40, C70 and C80 they are great. I want to try the Valencia VC564 but can't seem to find a review on that one. My friend says that it is better than Yamaha C40. Do you think so???
thank you for your kind words. Manuel Rodriguez guitars are very nice and I would put them in a Intermediate level guitar as they are outside this beginner price range. very nice guitars in my experience, and if you have the money, get one! best of luck.
Thanks for this vid. I play steel string acoustic, electric and bass guitars. I used to have a 3/4 classical guitar but gave it away when I was downsizing my collection. Have always regretted it and have been looking recently to purchase another one. Was going to buy a Yamaha CS40 but will now check the C70. Cheers bud!
Good VDO, I'm 50 selft learning beginner almost 2 years for classical guitar. my first guitar is Yamaha C70, I think quite good. But next time I try to looking for other band. Martinez and Gotar hot in Thailand ad. Need some advise. Otherwise, your Videos useful for me. Thanks, VTE, Laos 🇱🇦
Martinez guitars are very good guitars. i have played on their MC88 Standard and that is excellent quality and tone. A definite step up in quality and price. But a joy to play. Good luck!
That is correct. I would definitely add Cordoba, but it was not a popular option at the time of making this video in the UK at the time. it is definitely more so now.
Just discovered your channel so late to the party…. Thanks very much for such an informative and really great channel. Do you have any experience with Alvarez guitars? They seem to use LR Baggs Stage Pro EQ. Wondering if the guitars are good too… All the very best
Very glad you enjoyed the video. Alvarez guitars are also good. I believe they are more expensive than this price bracket and I love the LR Baggs pickups. Such an amazing company!
What would you recommend after having Yamaha beginner models for 5 years? Thinking about Godin guitars, but want to make sure I am not losing in resonance full sound of classical guitar. I play classical, fingerstyle, flamenco, pop, rock, rap. I would like to start performing in the streets of my college too. Thank you so much in advance Andrew!
I would certainly recommend trying to go in to a guitar store and trying out some different types. You will soon know what you like most. if this is not possible, I would probably not go with a Godin, unless it is a hollow body classical design.
Reading the rest of your message, suggests that playing in the streets with a semiacoustic classical guitar like the Godin might be an option. The only thing is it does not sound that great without being plugged in.
@@AndrewKeeping Thanks for your suggestion. I am not finding them in stores to try them in my country, so I got to gamble picking one, I have liking to CG182s because of the spruce appearance, but I would miss the truss rod that we get in C5.
No. With Classical guitars they tend not to have truss rods. The action is raised by the nut and saddle on the bridge. You can get different size saddles or you can add thin cigarette papers beneath the saddle and nut or sand the base down.
I have a Yamaha 1/2 GCS102A (classical/nylon) as well as a Yamaha 3/4 JR2 (acoustic/steel). They are actually about the same size. They are both excellent entry level guitars, well suited to both children/teens as well as adults with short fingers. They are great for learning and noodling about, and ridiculously inexpensive. The builds are solid, and they are beautiful to look at as well as being comfortable to play. Bonus round: I also have two Yamaha Guitaleles (GL1), which are hybrid guitar/ukes, roughly the size of a tenor ukulele with two base strings added and tuned A to A (sounding like a guitar with a capo on the fifth fret). These also make a great entrance into the world of guitars, though I think they would not replace the need for an actual guitar.
I’m thinking about getting a Cordoba? Mind you, I’ve been playing rock guitar for 15 years, so I gravitate towards a quality guitar with a good tone and action. I’m instantly turned off by the word “laminated and budget”.
Believe me you are never too old to start learning the guitar. Just need to have the passion and desire to start. Make sure you follow good technique as it will allow you to go where you want to go and play the pieces you want to play. The very best of luck!!
If you live in Europe the Thomann Classica S is also a solid option (pun intended). It is in fact fully solid construction, decent strings, good construction and only 190-200€!
Jose Ferrer vs Yamaha csc40ii for a first guitar for a child. Her teacher suggested Jose Ferrer but I am more thinking about Yamaha csc40ii, what is your recommendation? Thanks very much
Lock down has had an impact of the factories and stock. Also I believe they are probably sold due to there availability through Amazon and so many sold throughout the lockdown and shortly after. This has been a worldwide issue. Let's hope they can resolve it and get quality stocks up in due course.
Hey Andrew, as a beginner who wants to learn flamenco, what classical guitars do you recommend under 300€? I've seen a couple of reviews and a lot of them recommend Yamaha and Ortega guitars like (Yamaha C40II, Yamaha CGS104AII, Yamaha CG122MCH and Ortega RCE125SN ) I'm afraid of buying the wrong guitar that doesn't sound like I expect. Also I love the content you put, you really have some quality videos! Cheers
Cordoba C3M Classical Guitar would also be worth looking at in your price range. All of the above are worth a try if you have the opportunity to try out in a shop. Alternatively go to Amazon where you can always send back if you're not happy www.amazon.co.uk/shop/andrewkeeping?listId=16NRM2JW8SM8N
@@AndrewKeeping Thank you for the answer professor, I still haven't fully decided what guitar I'll get but I've made a list of possible choices. Since I'll only buy it on November I still have time to decide and if possible I'll buy it from your shop so I can at least support the channel a little!
If you can find in your region I recommend these: Paco Castillo 201 Altamira n100 Camps Sinfonia, all about 300€ give or take. If you can't find these a good alternative is Alhambra 1c I got the Paco Castillo and it's amazing for the price. Disclaimer: I'm not an expert in classical guitars. I was just searching for one, and stumbled upon a guy in a guitar forum who recommended me the three mentioned as the best he has played in the price range.
Just to add to the previous comments.. It would be useful to understand both the material/construction differences as well as the technique differences between a conventional 'classical' guitar and one designed for flamenco styles. To summarize in general terms, the main differences lie in the following: 1). Flamenco guitars most often utilize spruce for top and either cypress or sometimes maple for back/sides. This combination of woods produces a characteristic tone or 'sound'. 2). In terms of actual player technique, flamenco is played with the (right-hand) finger tips with greater downward force (compared to a classical player that uses nail+flesh in plucking of right-hand). This slight difference produces a more forceful, sometimes 'buzzing' tone at times -- which is acceptable in traditional flamenco but highly frowned upon in the classical realm. Accordingly, most guitars made as 'flamenco' guitars are setup at the shop/factory with a lower action compared to a conventional classical guitar. So, bottom line is: a flamenco is similar but does not equate exactly with classical guitar -- either the instrument or playing style. Regarding specific instruments of consideration.. You might also check out The Thomann Classic 4/4 'S' (denoting all solid woods) is built more for the traditional classic audience, but since it has solid spruce top and solid maple (sycamore) back and sides, it transitions to become a flamenco sounding guitar quite naturally. I have one and love it. This model is made by Hora SA in Romania. These list for something like $155 USD + shipping on Thomann as I write. If you buy one, and want to get the most out of it, take it to a luthier and have nut and saddle swapped out for bone replacement, and have the frets checked and dressed if necessary. As with any spruce topped classic guitar, the top will have to season, mature and break-in -- a process that usually takes between 3-6 months, so just realize the sound will improve over time. Cedar topped guitar don't normally enjoy that progressive maturation in sound. The Classic S makes a fantastic starter guitar for the meager cost. It is almost impossible to get any decent all solid guitar for less than about $800. This is one that stands out.
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I can see that, however, many ask for links. I really would not earn nearly enough to even edit a minute of this film, so it is more about unbiased information. Thanks for your input.
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I started with the Cordoba C5 and its an amazing introduction instrument. Moved up to the C12 and have zero regrets. Fantastic instruments
I'm just starting with a C5...at 65 years old 🙂
The huge advantage of a Cordoba Guitar is that, unlike all other classical guitars, it has a truss rod.
I'm starting on a Valencia VC141, but I do play acoustic and electric just never classical so I'm not a complete beginner
If you want time stamps, and want avoid the opening chat then please follow here:
Introduction: 0:40
Why Nylon Guitar: 3:42
Valencia Guitar: 4:06
Jose Ferrer Guitars: 8:00
Admira Guitars: 10:00
Yamaha Guitars: 12:07
Outro: 15:08
Looking for my first nylon guitar. I'm selling my expensive dreadnought of 20 yrs.
#1 its big and doesn't get the playtime is should.
#2 because of #1 each time i play, my fingers blister again.
Wanting a beautiful tone nylon that i can play everywhere comfotably. Don't care if it's inexpensive, just want beautiful sound and intonation.
Which would you recommend?
In comparison with what you suggested, how do you feel of fender fa15n full laminate 3/4 and the fender cn140sce or fender cn60?
Love to hear your thoughts.
Im wanting a guitar that i can play everywhere and not worry about it. (Reason im looking at fender is i believe they have a truss rod and can run silk steel or light steel if wanting a change)
Thank you. My guitar is a Yamaha C40. And I'm just returning to playing after a 50 year break. This time my goals are considerably more mature and much better informed. It's good to know something about "my" guitar, which I bought from a friend some ten years ago, and my granddaughter used in her guitar lessons and now it's back with me. Very comforting to know it met the qualifications for this video and hence is appropriate for me. Thanks again!
I disagree. A wide, flat classical guitar neck is harder to manage.
Amazing information here! I had a yamaha classical for years since taking one year of guitar class and stopped. Hoping to get back into it, but don't know where to start. Would be amazing if you do tutorial classes on classical pieces!!
I do offer online zoom lessons.
The worth thing to make you give up is when bar chords (simple F) is near to impossible just because of a bad guitar... When you discover a well adjusted guitar and discover that this bar chord was not that so much hard to make... You are relieved... And the sun comes back in the sky of your mind...
I'm a luthier that sets up a lot of classical guitars. I'm rather surprised about your Valencia recommendation as the ones I've had have been rather average with not much tone. Yamahas are always desirable but here in the US we don't see too many Ferrer or Admira guitars. I've set up 3-4 Admira guitars and they seem quite decent at those price points. The big champion budget model here is the Cordoba C5, which I've sold tons of. I also have good success with Kremona guitars, which being made in Bulgaria are probably available there in the UK too. J. Navarro guitars are decent - as are the all solid wood model guitars now being made by Thomann, which are incredibly under $150 for all solid wood. The Godin brand, LA Patrie, also makes nice nylon models made with all Canadian wood. For really cheap laminates it's Cordobas, Yamahas, Takamines, and the odd Washburn. There are a few smaller brands like Lucida and Antonio Hermosa but I find them rather inconsistent and a bit risky. Great video.
great input Thanks. I can only go with my experience of Valencia guitars here in the UK.
I have been using a Valencia for almost 20 years. I'm left handed. Im looking for the next good classical guitar but I dont want to break the bank. I know often brand names are just charging their names value. What do you recommend as a next step?
A Valencia user here. My guitar is almost 2 years to me and she still sound good
well while all Valencia's are under 200$ while cordoba is like 400$ . yamahas can be expensive too
Thanks for mentioning La Patrie, which is now being released as Godin Nylons, Godin has owned them for decades and decided in the last few years to put their name on them now. I am often stunned they are not mentioned, solid wood guitars, handmade, excellent action and quality for a remarkably low price for what you get.
Excellent recommendations that’s exactly what I need thanks a lot
Happy to help!
I have recently replaced a Hohner 4/4 classical giutar that I'd had for over 40 years! It had been used, abused and lent out numerous times. The last time I got it back after not seeing it for 4 years, it came back with steel strings on, and damaged beyond repair. It wasn't a great guitar to start with, and I had been given a Yamaha C40 since then, which was good. However, this too wasn't in great condition when I got it. It had been spray painted red and black, and knocked about, but still played OK. During lockdown 2020, my local music shop was closing down and selling off stock. So I went in to see what bargains they had on classical guitars. They had sold nearly 2/3rds of their stock already, and had about 9 classical guitar models left. 6 of them were way out of my price range (over £1000 to 3000). Of the 3 that were left, they were cheap chinese brands I'd never heard of, snd they weren't very good build quality. I thanked the man for his time and was about to leave when he asked me to hold on while he checked upstairs. After some bumping around noises and 10 minutes later, he emerged with a boxed Valencia VC 304ASB 4/4. It had been put away for a customer months ago but they never paid or returned for it. I had to tune it to try it and checked it over. It sounded really nice despite the light guage discoloured strings. The action was perfect if a bit low (3mm low E, 2.5mm high E at 12th fret), but none of the strings buzzed anywhere on the uncoated Teak fretboard. The body was matt finish antique sunburst with a solid Sitka Spruce top and Teak bridge and bone saddle. He had a box of accessories that had been put away with it and were all Valencia brand too (foot rest, DVD, pitchpipes, string winder thing, clip on electric tuner, capo and a Dunlop set of 2 bottles of fretboard cleaner and wood oil). Oh, and it had the thin canvas Valencia carry bag too. After a few quick trial tunes I decided I wanted it. The price on the paper note was £175. I could sense that he wanted me to take the guitar and all the other stuff too, so I asked how much for just the guitar? He mumbled something and said this lot has to go with it or I'll never sell it before we close down. He pulled the note off the box and said "if you take it all with you right now and give me £100 in cash it's yours"! I just had £115 and some change when I left home, and I'd been for a coffee with a friend, so I was lucky that I still had enough when I paid. There wasn't time to get more money from the cash machine before closing time.
I have to say that it was a real bargain!
I'm not sure of the list price of this model, but it's a really good quality guitar. I replaced the strings with some Daddario medium guage ones which sound even better than my Yamaha guitar! So I can definitely recommend the Valencia VC304 as a good guitar.
Thanks for the video, Andrew. It's a joy to hear your recommendations. I'm more of a steel string player myself but I dip in and out of classical/flamenco playing from time to time. I've always found it far more daunting to find a good nylon guitar over its steel string sibling. I suppose because it's a more niche area - though perhaps you feel differently? Certainly, there are plenty of options to choose from in this list and I'm very tempted to buy the Yamaha C70 after hearing your glowing review! After some research, I came across the Thomann Classic 4/4 Guitar and wonder if you know about it? In any case, I've done a review which you can find here if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/50cdU54ILWk/w-d-xo.html. You're right, there's a great guitar community on TH-cam and I hope it's a useful addition to new buyers and more seasoned players alike! Thanks again for the video 👍
They are all such different instruments and therefore the more familiar you are playing one type the more you will understand the differences between models and the sound that you prefer. Glad you found it useful. best of luck!
Cordobas have truss rod. I have the cheapest C1M-CE. Love it.
Cordoba C7 $500.00 bucks wonderful Instrument...
For a beginner with the Valencia guitars I would really recommend the 3/4 size ... Easier to learn chords and transition... And the smaller size makes it more intimist when you hold it in your hands...
Thanks for the tips!
I was hoping the focus would have been on classical sizing. Am looking to get the best fit for my height for ease and comfort.
The cheaper All Solid Modell from Thomann is also nice, i think. Got one, and i think it is a nice Instrument.
I love a lot of the Thomann named gear. i use there stuff in my studio and there studio touring casing is exceptional value for money. I have not tried there guitars but would love to to be able to recommend them.
I've been looking at the GS40 yamaha and also the vangoa 3/4 with pickups
My only classical guitar was a medium quality Ramon Angles guitar from Paracho, Mexico that I selected and purchased there in Paracho from his shop in 1968 when I was a teen. I remember I paid $60.00 from my allowance and my parents added another $20.00 so it came out the shop door for $80.00 U.S. currency. I had the instrument until 2009 and gave it to a relative. If one could purchase the same instrument now, it would run about $600.00.
My wife bought me the Yamaha c40, nice little guitar, started playing, its not that bad for learning on
How about the Alhambra C1 HT 1/2 or the Ortega R121 1/2?
Will i regret ordering Valencia over Yamaha? 😒🙄
I don’t think so. Just get to play the guitar you have well and then you can upgrade to an even better one later. Best of luck.
I bought a Admira Alba today and the sound is just great.
Started with an Alhambra C4, great value and great Spanish brand.
Nice. Which microphone is this ? Thank you.
It seems contradictory but with any instrument not just guitars the best instrument for a beginner to start learning on is the best quality instrument they can afford. Learning on bad instruments just inhibits your learning. learning on good instruments helps the learning process
i would totally agree, however, the price does inhibit many as they are concerned whether they will stop playing if it is too challenging.
@@AndrewKeeping yes that is a big problem. But that's where good advice comes in. They need videos like yours and maybe a bit of local advice when buying
I am gonna buy an Ibanez GA6CE .Is this one a good classic ?
Yamaha has standardised their manufacturing process for many years. The cheap and expensive guitars are made the same way. The difference is only in the material. Of course I'm not talking about their GC concert models, which are handmade by their luthiers.
Great tips thanks for this update.
Does anyone have experience with the Thomann Classic Guitar S 4/4? It seems to be getting good reviews for beginners.
I have been very impressed with the Thomann products in general. Their attention to detail in design in brass, woodwind and studio equipment is excellent. i have had some students play their guitars and they love them. i would love to trial some of the Thomann guitars to really test them out.
I have three La Mancha guitars. One of them is EGTA recommended. I think they’re good value for money for beginners. They’re also a joy to play with.
Ah great tips thanks for your input.
Hey sir what do you think about Epiphone pro-1 classic an 2.0 ? Which is your choice Yamaha C30 or Epiphone pro-1 classic an 2.0 and why ?
I must confess I have never tried one of these guitars. they look good and the feedback is very positive. I would love to try one to be able to recommend them.
What is best Nylon classical guitar for beginner 10 years old girl,
Depends. I would either go into the shop and sit down with one. If you can't I would suggest going for the Yamaha as a good around starter that is guaranteed a consistent postage delivery.
What's the song that starts at ~ 9:56?
Thanks for the recommendations, great video!
Many thanks.
I started off with cheap steel string guitars which was very difficult and painful But I was very relentless and passionate so I continued on. Finally discovering a quality instrument was a real joy..looking back I would say any kids starting out definitely needs to get something with low action that tunes in well Basically the quicker they can start making something that sounds musical the more likely they will be to stick with it... Traditional classical guitar would be a great place to start problem is most kids are not going to want to do that they are going to be leaning toward electric guitar or at least a steel string acoustic.. Unless you're going to be somewhat involved in your child's playing and set them up with formal lessons classical would be difficult to start with.. The best advice I can give on starting out is a Taylor Gs mini or a Martin junior you will drop 5 or $600 but they hold their value well an offer the best starting size frame... Also tuning and string changing is a big part of starting out you want to make that as smooth as possible for the beginner... Classical nylon strings will be difficult for the beginner... All you can really hope is that the student Continues to generate a deep love for the instrument they will eventually find their way to nylon strings...
Hello, for start, prefer Yamaha or Valencia?🙏
Almansa/Alhambra basic models are excellent value for money.
Great tip thanks.
Thank you for this informative video. I am glad that the guitar brand I have on my radar (Admira) was mentioned.
Glad it was helpful!
Here in india we get. Yamaha c40 for about 70 pounds converted from rupees
I tried few very cheap guitars and not very good experience. What you recommend from these little bit more expensive, but anyway for beginning trying to find as cheap as possible but good enough. Valencia or Yamaha better for flamenco? I am now in India so I have limited guitars in a list to buy, can you tell which would be better? When I will come back to Europe there will be more other options, but now in India need a guitar :)
Yamaha few models:
C40 (97$) th-cam.com/video/7GWozUFTdzI/w-d-xo.html
C40M (95$). Does M means Matt Finish?
C40II, mark 2 I don't know what is the difference
these are little bit price higher but I can afford.
There are few Valencia, heard they are also good brand, less price,
200 Series Full size (62$) this one I don't know if neck is normal 4/4 size, need to check
3000 Series Full Size (75$)
VC564 4/4 Series 560 (85$) th-cam.com/video/6M9jh4wxnGs/w-d-xo.html
Hi, I would like to know if you were me, which one would you go for Yamaha c40 or Cordoba c1m? (P.S. I am student and beginner, would like to buy a guitar that I can enjoy learning and playing while with decent quality and at the same time reasonably inexpensive.)
I have played both and as I mentioned I have taken the C40 with me when on hols, however, I tried a Cordoba and was very impressed. I would opt for the Cordoba. But your choice.
@@AndrewKeeping Hi again, thank you for your reply Andrew, I found a very nice deal and bought new Yamaha c70 for 65£. After getting good at playing guitar, in the future I will be thinking to buy cordoba either c5 or c7. I am still a beginner and learning playing guitar. ✌🏻
I am an experienced guitarist with a few performance degrees who had just gotten back into playing again after a 40 year hiatus. At any rate, I believe your suggestions are excellent ones. I had recently purchased from an establishment that I had not heard of before (Musician's Friend) a Yamaha CG192 Spruce top that was out of box for the remarkable price of $365 due to a tiny scratch (which you can't even see unless you are searching for it) on the back. I am in no way affiliated with Musician's Friend. However, I am completely enamoured with the guitar they sold me now. Having said that... the guitar had a terrible set up upon arrival. The saddle was WAY too low and consequently, the instrument buzzed. (A new student might simply feel that there was something wrong with the guitar and not realize that the issue was completely due to the saddle.) First thing I did was change the low action strings, replacing them with higher action. This hardly helped at all. I knew that I must replace the saddle. Thankfully, I had an old unplayable guitar from which I could switch out saddles. Now, the guitar is the best one I've ever owned. It plays amazingly well, with a rich, loud but warm tone and I absolutely love it! Who would think that the cheapest guitar I've ever purchased would wind up being my favorite?
🙏🥰👍
I think I'll get a yamaha c-70 and thank you.
You are very welcome. Glad it helped. Good luck and enjoy your guitar!
song at 7:59????
I've just bought a C40 BL, still waiting for it to show up. I am happy that you confirm my choice of a first classical guitar.
I started with the C40 and it was an amazing beginner guitar
I have watched dozens of these information videos. This one is the BEST.
Wow, thanks!
Thank You for your recommendations. Really good quality video too.
My pleasure!
Hi Andrew, great video. Out of these, which one would you recommend the most. I have budget for each one of the list you mentioned so would rather buy something of good quality?
Cordoba C5 or yamaha c70 good luck!!
@@AndrewKeeping Thanks for the reply! I've been using a cheaper Martin Smith 3/4 guitar for a few months now. With the options you've recommended, do you think I should upgrade to a full size?
Can you please share the background music you used?? 🙏🙏🙏🙏
If it had to be an Aria, which one would it be please????
Hello,
Pls, help me ! I have 59 yrs and started to play guitar again after the 30 yrs of pause! I have a guitar from China, Classico model CG303, bought it 10 yrs ago and it was very cheap. The price of € 50 tells you a lot. I noticed the damage on the body in front between the hole and string bridge. Can you recommanded me some cheap but good classical guitar for playing who has a good sound ? I'm playing only on metal strings. Thank you! Regards from Zagreb, Croatia, Europe.
Btw, if you can find some cheap , limit is the € 150.
As I said in the film, the Yamaha is a good bet. Have a look on eBay for second hand if you like. Good luck.
Nello What do you think about Corts? AC100 and AC200?
@they have left handed guitars if that's really what you want to go for@.
Scratches head trying hardnto think of one naturally right handed player who had any great impact on the world of music.
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I’ve played electric and steel string acoustic guitars for many years but I recently decided to buy my first classical guitar to see if it would be something I’d enjoy and could branch out with. I didn’t want to spend much so I went with the Yamaha as I’m a big fan of their steel string acoustics and have a couple of them. I bought the C40ii after trying it out in store and I’m very pleased with it. I don’t think I’ll go the full classical route with it but it will help me develop my finger picking skills better and it inspires new styles of music for me. At the low price, it’s a fine quality instrument that is giving me exactly what I hoped for and expected from it.
I'm subscribed to your channel now. You have some high quality content! You deserve more views! 😊
Wow, thank you!
Found him
i started at acoustic so my callusses and my fingers are armored up to use some classical guitars and thank you the advice
You are very welcome. Best of luck!!!
Hi, have you tested the fender FC-1? I'd like if that's as good as or better than the C40, thank you
Excellent video. Yamaha, Yamaha, Yamaha.
I have purchased the yamaha C40, C70 and C80 they are great. I want to try the Valencia VC564 but can't seem to find a review on that one. My friend says that it is better than Yamaha C40. Do you think so???
I will check it out
What can you say about Almansa guitars???
Study 400, 403?
I am afraid I am not familiar with this make.
Hi, Can anyone tell me if the Admira Junita or Admira Paloma are good guitars
thanks for the video sir and very good recommendations and what are your views on Manuel rodriguez guitars?
thank you for your kind words. Manuel Rodriguez guitars are very nice and I would put them in a Intermediate level guitar as they are outside this beginner price range. very nice guitars in my experience, and if you have the money, get one! best of luck.
Thanks for this vid. I play steel string acoustic, electric and bass guitars. I used to have a 3/4 classical guitar but gave it away when I was downsizing my collection. Have always regretted it and have been looking recently to purchase another one. Was going to buy a Yamaha CS40 but will now check the C70. Cheers bud!
Glad it was helpful!
Need a recommendation between Valencia VC 204 and Yamaha C40 ?
Yamaha C40?
Love this video! So informative and honest! Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Good VDO, I'm 50 selft learning beginner almost 2 years for classical guitar. my first guitar is Yamaha C70, I think quite good. But next time I try to looking for other band. Martinez and Gotar hot in Thailand ad. Need some advise.
Otherwise, your Videos useful for me.
Thanks, VTE, Laos 🇱🇦
Martinez guitars are very good guitars. i have played on their MC88 Standard and that is excellent quality and tone. A definite step up in quality and price. But a joy to play. Good luck!
I didn’t see a Cordoba I the list which’s also more available
That is correct. I would definitely add Cordoba, but it was not a popular option at the time of making this video in the UK at the time. it is definitely more so now.
Very good information!
Glad it was helpful!
Just discovered your channel so late to the party….
Thanks very much for such an informative and really great channel.
Do you have any experience with Alvarez guitars? They seem to use LR Baggs Stage Pro EQ. Wondering if the guitars are good too…
All the very best
Very glad you enjoyed the video. Alvarez guitars are also good. I believe they are more expensive than this price bracket and I love the LR Baggs pickups. Such an amazing company!
Good
Thanks
What do you think about Cort ac100 is it better than Valencia or Yamaha
I am not that familiar with the Cort. I know I have not had the best experiences in the past with Cort but that could well have improved over time.
Hi sir is there spud difference between c40 and c70 ?
There is a difference as stated in the film. The quality of build is better and the woods are different too. C70 is higher quality and better tone.
Question: " how can I amplify my classical guitar what's the best budget option"
For a cheap option you can get a stick on strip mic.
How about cordoba cp 100, is it good enough for beginner
absolutely!!
@@AndrewKeeping thanks you
Rob Chapman...?
What would you recommend after having Yamaha beginner models for 5 years? Thinking about Godin guitars, but want to make sure I am not losing in resonance full sound of classical guitar. I play classical, fingerstyle, flamenco, pop, rock, rap. I would like to start performing in the streets of my college too. Thank you so much in advance Andrew!
I would certainly recommend trying to go in to a guitar store and trying out some different types. You will soon know what you like most. if this is not possible, I would probably not go with a Godin, unless it is a hollow body classical design.
Reading the rest of your message, suggests that playing in the streets with a semiacoustic classical guitar like the Godin might be an option. The only thing is it does not sound that great without being plugged in.
Corboba c5 vs Yamaha CG182s, which one do I choose?
It really is a matter of taste. If you get the chance to look at both and try them. Both good instruments. I do like the C5 though.
@@AndrewKeeping Thanks for your suggestion. I am not finding them in stores to try them in my country, so I got to gamble picking one, I have liking to CG182s because of the spruce appearance, but I would miss the truss rod that we get in C5.
Hi is there a truss rod in Yamaha? If not how to adjust the action
No. With Classical guitars they tend not to have truss rods. The action is raised by the nut and saddle on the bridge. You can get different size saddles or you can add thin cigarette papers beneath the saddle and nut or sand the base down.
@@AndrewKeeping so would you say that action isn't impacted a lot in classical guitars hence no truss rod ?
Does the Yamaha also produce good quality guitars in tbe 1/2 and 3/4 sizes that you wod recommend ?
indeed.
I have a Yamaha 1/2 GCS102A (classical/nylon) as well as a Yamaha 3/4 JR2 (acoustic/steel). They are actually about the same size. They are both excellent entry level guitars, well suited to both children/teens as well as adults with short fingers. They are great for learning and noodling about, and ridiculously inexpensive. The builds are solid, and they are beautiful to look at as well as being comfortable to play.
Bonus round: I also have two Yamaha Guitaleles (GL1), which are hybrid guitar/ukes, roughly the size of a tenor ukulele with two base strings added and tuned A to A (sounding like a guitar with a capo on the fifth fret). These also make a great entrance into the world of guitars, though I think they would not replace the need for an actual guitar.
Is Yamaha C40 MK 2 largely different from regular C40?
No that much.
@@AndrewKeeping bought the regular c40, quite surprised about it's mellow sound. loved it.
Thanks for posting this, I have two acoustics, a half size, and a full size, which someone gave me, I need a more playable one, this was very helpful.
Glad I could help!
I’m thinking about getting a Cordoba? Mind you, I’ve been playing rock guitar for 15 years, so I gravitate towards a quality guitar with a good tone and action. I’m instantly turned off by the word “laminated and budget”.
What are your thoughts on epiphone pro 1 classical guitar?
I have tried one out in a shop and really liked the feel. I have not had much more experience than that I am afraid.
@@AndrewKeeping thank you. I I ended up with a yamaha c80. Loving it
Stagg SCL60 TCE ?
In my experience I am not a big fan of the stagg guitars.
how about martinez ??
very good
Great information for the beginner here!
Glad it was helpful!
Is yamaha c70 better than c80 for you?
either one. C80 harder to get hold of.
@@AndrewKeeping thanks maestro(:
Finally starts at 04:05
Thank you Reg.
Thank you about explanation
Glad it was helpful!
looking at this video, I think I'm too old to learn guitar at age 29 but I believe I can learn it.
Believe me you are never too old to start learning the guitar. Just need to have the passion and desire to start. Make sure you follow good technique as it will allow you to go where you want to go and play the pieces you want to play. The very best of luck!!
@@AndrewKeeping thank you, I'm planning to learn guitar so I can serenade the woman I love
@@demon6937 is it working?
i started at 57 im now 59 and im playing great
If you live in Europe the Thomann Classica S is also a solid option (pun intended). It is in fact fully solid construction, decent strings, good construction and only 190-200€!
decent video but get to the point man
Jose Ferrer vs Yamaha csc40ii for a first guitar for a child. Her teacher suggested Jose Ferrer but I am more thinking about Yamaha csc40ii, what is your recommendation? Thanks very much
I would probably go with the yamaha. best of luck.
@@AndrewKeeping great thank you
Funny how none of these guitars are available
Lock down has had an impact of the factories and stock. Also I believe they are probably sold due to there availability through Amazon and so many sold throughout the lockdown and shortly after. This has been a worldwide issue. Let's hope they can resolve it and get quality stocks up in due course.
Hey Andrew, as a beginner who wants to learn flamenco, what classical guitars do you recommend under 300€?
I've seen a couple of reviews and a lot of them recommend Yamaha and Ortega guitars like (Yamaha C40II, Yamaha CGS104AII, Yamaha CG122MCH and Ortega RCE125SN
)
I'm afraid of buying the wrong guitar that doesn't sound like I expect.
Also I love the content you put, you really have some quality videos!
Cheers
Cordoba C3M Classical Guitar would also be worth looking at in your price range. All of the above are worth a try if you have the opportunity to try out in a shop. Alternatively go to Amazon where you can always send back if you're not happy
www.amazon.co.uk/shop/andrewkeeping?listId=16NRM2JW8SM8N
@@AndrewKeeping Thank you for the answer professor, I still haven't fully decided what guitar I'll get but I've made a list of possible choices. Since I'll only buy it on November I still have time to decide and if possible I'll buy it from your shop so I can at least support the channel a little!
If you can find in your region I recommend these:
Paco Castillo 201
Altamira n100
Camps Sinfonia,
all about 300€ give or take.
If you can't find these a good alternative is
Alhambra 1c
I got the Paco Castillo and it's amazing for the price.
Disclaimer: I'm not an expert in classical guitars. I was just searching for one, and stumbled upon a guy in a guitar forum who recommended me the three mentioned as the best he has played in the price range.
@@vangelisp.4546 Thanks for the advice, I'll check them out!
Just to add to the previous comments.. It would be useful to understand both the material/construction differences as well as the technique differences between a conventional 'classical' guitar and one designed for flamenco styles. To summarize in general terms, the main differences lie in the following: 1). Flamenco guitars most often utilize spruce for top and either cypress or sometimes maple for back/sides. This combination of woods produces a characteristic tone or 'sound'. 2). In terms of actual player technique, flamenco is played with the (right-hand) finger tips with greater downward force (compared to a classical player that uses nail+flesh in plucking of right-hand). This slight difference produces a more forceful, sometimes 'buzzing' tone at times -- which is acceptable in traditional flamenco but highly frowned upon in the classical realm. Accordingly, most guitars made as 'flamenco' guitars are setup at the shop/factory with a lower action compared to a conventional classical guitar. So, bottom line is: a flamenco is similar but does not equate exactly with classical guitar -- either the instrument or playing style.
Regarding specific instruments of consideration.. You might also check out The Thomann Classic 4/4 'S' (denoting all solid woods) is built more for the traditional classic audience, but since it has solid spruce top and solid maple (sycamore) back and sides, it transitions to become a flamenco sounding guitar quite naturally. I have one and love it. This model is made by Hora SA in Romania. These list for something like $155 USD + shipping on Thomann as I write. If you buy one, and want to get the most out of it, take it to a luthier and have nut and saddle swapped out for bone replacement, and have the frets checked and dressed if necessary. As with any spruce topped classic guitar, the top will have to season, mature and break-in -- a process that usually takes between 3-6 months, so just realize the sound will improve over time. Cedar topped guitar don't normally enjoy that progressive maturation in sound. The Classic S makes a fantastic starter guitar for the meager cost. It is almost impossible to get any decent all solid guitar for less than about $800. This is one that stands out.
This sounds like a bad disguised ad.
I am sorry it comes across that way, but I sure you it is designed to answer the question I have been asked by so many people over the past 20 years. For the very little £'s that I may receive for this, it costs me more in time creating the video in the first place.
I make it sound like I'm unbiased and neutral in tone and opinion, but....
Heres my link m8.
Downvote
I can see that, however, many ask for links. I really would not earn nearly enough to even edit a minute of this film, so it is more about unbiased information. Thanks for your input.
What if i'm not a beginner, but rather a tight ass 😂
Then good luck and enjoy the video. Ha Ha!
How a bout Alhambra 5p
very nice.