@Joshua张志鸿 im in a rhody fb group that has a lot of Rhodesian veterans and they had many black friends in the army I may not be Rhodesian but if louletano never replies, I hope this answers your question
It pisses me off when people lump Rhodesia in with South Africa. Two entirely different regimes, with entirely different histories, and entirely different ways of both running the country and treating the people in the country. The Rhodesian Army fully integarted their special forces, for instance. The Selous Scouts, one of the most effective SOF anti-terrorist units in history, had a very high proportion of black soldiers who were entirely on equal terms with their white comrades. It is to Britain's eternal shame that it turned its back on Rhodesia. And I say that as a Brit.
Exactly. To think not only of the many benefits African citizens had, like free land, healthcare and both basic and advanced education, all payed by white taxpayers, in addition to being defended by an army of exclusively white conscripts and black volunteers, and that some people see this as a tyrannical apartheid government really boggles the mind. Rhodesia was the way forward. Britain just did what it always does, the smart thing. Break up hegemonies on the continent, neutralize threats while they're still small, then whitewash the whole thing away, in order to stay relevant in a world with two massive powers it could no longer contend with. In my opinion, the whole western world saw as clearly as we do now that an Africa allowed to grow under the Rhodesian model would become another major power, and that by allowing the communists to feed on it, the whole continent would stay the mess it always was. Maybe they even saw the opportunity to funnel massive amounts of cash to puppet states under the guise of humanitarian aid. And then Mugabe came and the Shona butchered 30000 Ndebele, and the whole world shut up about it. In 2009 the Guardian even wrote an article defending Mugabe. It's enough to make you sick.
Actually, although race relations were certainly better in Rhodesia, in fairness to South Africa the differences between the two countries are often exaggerated. For example, Rhodesia did have whites-only regiments like the Rhodesian Light Infantry th-cam.com/video/gyTWhGBGClM/w-d-xo.html and segregated government schools like Churchill. th-cam.com/video/dCuN-8IKawo/w-d-xo.html Finally, not all white Rhodesian troops were conscripts. Some were regular soldiers. Moreover, many of the whites who were conscripted were proud to fight for Rhodesia.
One of the most intriguing aspects of the war was that towards the end, had the politicians seen or realized how the Selous scouts unit alone (not downplaying the other units) played a massive role in bringing down the nationalist forces they could have funded it more and resourced it to greater extent as it's effectiveness and power to induce fear in the guerilla forces was only known well after the war !!
No... Right wing ideas to keep the African out of his lands and out of power made Rhodesia fail... The cold war only exercerbated the issues by infusing marxist thought in the black Rhodesian youths and inflaming military actions...
We often underestimate the resolve of Black Rhodesians. Many were not communist - quite the contrary. ZANU and ZAPU commies would brutalize whole villages if they didn't hand over supplies and comply with the guerillas. Young black Rhodesians fought for their villages and families back home as well, the same way the White Rhodesians did.
The Rhodesians treated their black citizens far better than Mugabe did. That's why returning Rhodesians receive welcomes like this one: th-cam.com/video/i10ppb_yKUU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=APArchive
@@Tomkkat15 Returning Rhodesians are not enemies of Zimbabweans . Anyone visiting or returning( not only Rhodesians) to Zimbabwe is likely to be received well , its our nature . Some of the white farmers had an excellent relationship with the rural folks in their area so people are bound to remember . The welcome has nothing to do with how they were treated by Mugabe - don't forget , these are the same people who supported and voted ZANU(PF) . They celebrated when Mugabe won the elections and continued to vote for him . Those rural folks you see in celebration are still very much ZANU(PF) , don't be fooled . Ordinary Zimbabweans never treated the white farmers as bad, politicians or opposed to Mugabe . The white farmers were just neighbors to them .
This was so typical of the negative attitude shown by the British media, especially the BBC and ITN, to what they delighted in calling "The Smith Regime". Black Rhodesian soldiers, in the RAR and the Selous Scouts, were brave, efficient, and fiercely loyal, something that the folk back home did not learn about, except from friends and relatives out there.
Yep, the Rhodesian officers knew that the black troops were A1, but the Government took a long time - too long - to increase the Rhodesian African Rifles from one regiment to two, and then finally to three.
Some of Rhodesia's best black troops served in the first battalion of the Rhodesian African Rifles, seen in the following footage: th-cam.com/video/za2J58ipmR0/w-d-xo.html
We in Guard Force had a much lower standard of selection and background checks than the RAR, but I am not aware that any Terrs were ever recruited, or that anyone deserted to join them. It may have been a fear, but it was never a significant factor. Many of my men enlisted because of anger at Terr depredations. Cpl. Nyamadzawo had had his cattle stolen. Cpl. Saukila had been a tailor whose clothing wares had been stolen by Terrs from the rack on the top of a Matambanadzo bus. Gd. Rufoya's family had been burnt out and had to flee to Harare township. A labourer on Belbroughton Farm joined Guard Force when his younger brother, a herd boy, was executed by the Terrs. We had found the body.
Many people believe that Rhodesia was the most progressive and integrated country on the continent but that is incorrect. Until 1975 the white-ruled countries in Africa with the highest levels of racial integration were Angola and Mozambique, which were ruled by Portugal. For instance, the Liceu Salazar (a high school in Mozambique’s capital Lourenco Marques) was multi-racial and in the 1950s one of the black pupils was Joaquim Chissano, who became Mozambique’s president in 1986. Moreover, the following footage from October 1973 shows a black teacher instructing a class of white and black pupils in Angola. In marked contrast, government schools in Rhodesia were segregated at the time and only became multi-racial in 1979. th-cam.com/video/Az9O2wVF30s/w-d-xo.html
Further to my previous comment, people also often say that Rhodesia was the wealthiest and most developed country in Africa but that is likewise incorrect. South Africa was the continent’s wealthiest and most powerful country. Indeed, more whites lived in the city of Johannesburg (pictured in the following footage) than in the whole of Rhodesia. th-cam.com/video/OzteAu-8NbU/w-d-xo.html
State schools were segregated. Private schools were desegregated (in the 60s I believe), but black students attending were not a normal cross section of black society, rather the children of the more well heeled, such as sons of tribal chiefs. Here is an interview with one who is an alumnus of Falcon College in Matabeleland: th-cam.com/video/fad-B6ygGc8/w-d-xo.html
It was and Ian Smith the Prez of Rhodesia admitted. South Africa during apartheid also plenty of vlack soldiers. Still don't make them anti-racist or moderate
Traitors and hired guns of Smith regime against the Liberation Movement. Though Liberation movements were poorly trained and many died, we are proud of their efforts. Europeans ruling Africa could not be stomached.
Of course....the liberators shall be praised for their efforts. It is not often you see a black liberation government ruin a strong economy to total shreds in such a very short time....kudos to them. I am a black African by the way
Yes indeed, the British should be ashamed of themselves for turning their backs on the anti-communist majority. Just look at all the suffering in Zimbabwe now. Traitors!
@@RoKBottomStudios It was all about jobs . Unemployment was very high among the blacks as companies closed at the height of the war . Most of them were town people who supported Muzorewa and had never been in contact with freedom fighters . Rural people never joined the Smith army
The choice between the people that beheaded your entire village or the colonialist? I'd rather fight with that colonialist. I don't care anymore about politics if i were in their position
Maybe because the communists were looting, raping and murdering their families and villages. The myth is they were attacking only whites which wasnt true at all.
Which shameless mercinaries are you talking about? The Soviet backed terrorists who wanted to destablize the region and ruin any hope of properity, or the Chinese backed terrorists who wanted to destablize the region and ruin any hope of prosperity? Or .. you know ... things like jobs or food.
Proud to have these soldiers as my brothers in arms.Major Morris a tough instructor,scary at times.
@Joshua张志鸿 im in a rhody fb group that has a lot of Rhodesian veterans and they had many black friends in the army
I may not be Rhodesian but if louletano never replies, I hope this answers your question
@@Rhodesianeverdie we dont speak Commie ruond here
Do you think zimbabwe was better off under Rhodesia like before the war
@Goosa Poosa yah not going along with the leftist narrative is a pretty serious violation of TH-cam terms and conditions.
It pisses me off when people lump Rhodesia in with South Africa. Two entirely different regimes, with entirely different histories, and entirely different ways of both running the country and treating the people in the country. The Rhodesian Army fully integarted their special forces, for instance. The Selous Scouts, one of the most effective SOF anti-terrorist units in history, had a very high proportion of black soldiers who were entirely on equal terms with their white comrades. It is to Britain's eternal shame that it turned its back on Rhodesia. And I say that as a Brit.
Exactly. To think not only of the many benefits African citizens had, like free land, healthcare and both basic and advanced education, all payed by white taxpayers, in addition to being defended by an army of exclusively white conscripts and black volunteers, and that some people see this as a tyrannical apartheid government really boggles the mind. Rhodesia was the way forward. Britain just did what it always does, the smart thing. Break up hegemonies on the continent, neutralize threats while they're still small, then whitewash the whole thing away, in order to stay relevant in a world with two massive powers it could no longer contend with. In my opinion, the whole western world saw as clearly as we do now that an Africa allowed to grow under the Rhodesian model would become another major power, and that by allowing the communists to feed on it, the whole continent would stay the mess it always was. Maybe they even saw the opportunity to funnel massive amounts of cash to puppet states under the guise of humanitarian aid. And then Mugabe came and the Shona butchered 30000 Ndebele, and the whole world shut up about it. In 2009 the Guardian even wrote an article defending Mugabe. It's enough to make you sick.
Actually, although race relations were certainly better in Rhodesia, in fairness to South Africa the differences between the two countries are often exaggerated. For example, Rhodesia did have whites-only regiments like the Rhodesian Light Infantry th-cam.com/video/gyTWhGBGClM/w-d-xo.html and segregated government schools like Churchill. th-cam.com/video/dCuN-8IKawo/w-d-xo.html
Finally, not all white Rhodesian troops were conscripts. Some were regular soldiers. Moreover, many of the whites who were conscripted were proud to fight for Rhodesia.
One of the most intriguing aspects of the war was that towards the end, had the politicians seen or realized how the Selous scouts unit alone (not downplaying the other units) played a massive role in bringing down the nationalist forces they could have funded it more and resourced it to greater extent as it's effectiveness and power to induce fear in the guerilla forces was only known well after the war !!
Blacks didn't have access to free land etc thats a outright lie.. And the blacks were as much taxpayers as the whites.
No... Right wing ideas to keep the African out of his lands and out of power made Rhodesia fail... The cold war only exercerbated the issues by infusing marxist thought in the black Rhodesian youths and inflaming military actions...
We often underestimate the resolve of Black Rhodesians. Many were not communist - quite the contrary. ZANU and ZAPU commies would brutalize whole villages if they didn't hand over supplies and comply with the guerillas. Young black Rhodesians fought for their villages and families back home as well, the same way the White Rhodesians did.
Well. They should have been treated better then.
The Rhodesians treated their black citizens far better than Mugabe did. That's why returning Rhodesians receive welcomes like this one: th-cam.com/video/i10ppb_yKUU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=APArchive
@@Tomkkat15
Returning Rhodesians are not enemies of Zimbabweans . Anyone visiting or returning( not only Rhodesians) to Zimbabwe is likely to be received well , its our nature . Some of the white farmers had an excellent relationship with the rural folks in their area so people are bound to remember . The welcome has nothing to do with how they were treated by Mugabe - don't forget , these are the same people who supported and voted ZANU(PF) . They celebrated when Mugabe won the elections and continued to vote for him . Those rural folks you see in celebration are still very much ZANU(PF) , don't be fooled .
Ordinary Zimbabweans never treated the white farmers as bad, politicians or opposed to Mugabe . The white farmers were just neighbors to them .
80% of the RSF were black.
Everyone knows they fought for money.
Note how the news reporter refuses point blank to believe the testimony of the recruits themselves.
@@AnnE-mn8ny not True bsap didnt have lots of blacks nor did the RLI
@@mannfred1440 The BSAP was not an army unit so how is that remark relevant.
This was so typical of the negative attitude shown by the British media, especially the BBC and ITN, to what they delighted in calling "The Smith Regime". Black Rhodesian soldiers, in the RAR and the Selous Scouts, were brave, efficient, and fiercely loyal, something that the folk back home did not learn about, except from friends and relatives out there.
Long live Rhodesia
Every decent black and more would have enlisted had they known what was to come.
They would have backed Nkomo over Mugabe, but who in his right mind would fight for Rhodesia?
If the whites has been fair to everyone in the first instance, there wouldn't have been a war.
This is what became of my old school, St Stephens College, Closed in 1975.
Wonderful soldiers to fight along side. Salute. Operation Hurricane in TTLs. Scorpion Base Mtoko 1978 and 1979.
Too little too late for the Rhodesians
Yep, the Rhodesian officers knew that the black troops were A1, but the Government took a long time - too long - to increase the Rhodesian African Rifles from one regiment to two, and then finally to three.
Some of Rhodesia's best black troops served in the first battalion of the Rhodesian African Rifles, seen in the following footage: th-cam.com/video/za2J58ipmR0/w-d-xo.html
Una oportunidad perdida de convertirse en un país desarrollado, hoy millones de habitantes de ese país pasan hambre.
What happened to all these old military heads and generals now?
This was 43 years ago. Most are now deceased.
John van Zyl's got plenty of interviews with troopies to air vice marshall Hugh Slatter and colonel Taffy Matonhodze
We in Guard Force had a much lower standard of selection and background checks than the RAR, but I am not aware that any Terrs were ever recruited, or that anyone deserted to join them. It may have been a fear, but it was never a significant factor.
Many of my men enlisted because of anger at Terr depredations. Cpl. Nyamadzawo had had his cattle stolen. Cpl. Saukila had been a tailor whose clothing wares had been stolen by Terrs from the rack on the top of a Matambanadzo bus. Gd. Rufoya's family had been burnt out and had to flee to Harare township. A labourer on Belbroughton Farm joined Guard Force when his younger brother, a herd boy, was executed by the Terrs. We had found the body.
Many people believe that Rhodesia was the most progressive and integrated country on the continent but that is incorrect. Until 1975 the white-ruled countries in Africa with the highest levels of racial integration were Angola and Mozambique, which were ruled by Portugal. For instance, the Liceu Salazar (a high school in Mozambique’s capital Lourenco Marques) was multi-racial and in the 1950s one of the black pupils was Joaquim Chissano, who became Mozambique’s president in 1986. Moreover, the following footage from October 1973 shows a black teacher instructing a class of white and black pupils in Angola. In marked contrast, government schools in Rhodesia were segregated at the time and only became multi-racial in 1979. th-cam.com/video/Az9O2wVF30s/w-d-xo.html
Further to my previous comment, people also often say that Rhodesia was the wealthiest and most developed country in Africa but that is likewise incorrect. South Africa was the continent’s wealthiest and most powerful country. Indeed, more whites lived in the city of Johannesburg (pictured in the following footage) than in the whole of Rhodesia. th-cam.com/video/OzteAu-8NbU/w-d-xo.html
State schools were segregated. Private schools were desegregated (in the 60s I believe), but black students attending were not a normal cross section of black society, rather the children of the more well heeled, such as sons of tribal chiefs. Here is an interview with one who is an alumnus of Falcon College in Matabeleland: th-cam.com/video/fad-B6ygGc8/w-d-xo.html
Documentary name?
The description says it is from an ITN news report. So it looks like a regular news item rather than a segment from a longer documentary.
But people say the idea of Rhodesia is racist...
It was and Ian Smith the Prez of Rhodesia admitted. South Africa during apartheid also plenty of vlack soldiers. Still don't make them anti-racist or moderate
By you a sweet banana
Love that song
The point were your realize that being oppressed by racist Europeans is better than being liberated by communists.
Joel Craig
there is nothing liberating about communism
What?
Nonsense
This war was not racist at all
Mujibas
Traitors and hired guns of Smith regime against the Liberation Movement. Though Liberation movements were poorly trained and many died, we are proud of their efforts. Europeans ruling Africa could not be stomached.
Well said my friend. Cheers🍸
Of course....the liberators shall be praised for their efforts. It is not often you see a black liberation government ruin a strong economy to total shreds in such a very short time....kudos to them. I am a black African by the way
You are on point...the economy might be ruined, but no teenager is calling our grownup men "boys."
They were hopeless. Joining the enemy to fight your brothers is the lowest of low 😅
Traitors
Yes indeed, the British should be ashamed of themselves for turning their backs on the anti-communist majority. Just look at all the suffering in Zimbabwe now. Traitors!
Traitors why would they fight for the colonialists.
Cause commies are worse.
@@RoKBottomStudios
It was all about jobs . Unemployment was very high among the blacks as companies closed at the height of the war .
Most of them were town people who supported Muzorewa and had never been in contact with freedom fighters . Rural people never joined the Smith army
Maybe they saw Rhodesia as a lesser evil to the guerrillas?
The choice between the people that beheaded your entire village or the colonialist? I'd rather fight with that colonialist. I don't care anymore about politics if i were in their position
Maybe because the communists were looting, raping and murdering their families and villages. The myth is they were attacking only whites which wasnt true at all.
Shameless mercenaries.
Which shameless mercinaries are you talking about? The Soviet backed terrorists who wanted to destablize the region and ruin any hope of properity, or the Chinese backed terrorists who wanted to destablize the region and ruin any hope of prosperity? Or .. you know ... things like jobs or food.