Just for copper pressure test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2024
- Just for copper by Kalimex can be used to bond copper pipes together using regular end feed fittings without needing any heat or a blowtorch to make the joint, you simply clean the copper tube using 60 grit abrasive paper, then apply the just for copper and make the joint as shown in this video. Although I would not use this in a normal situation it is very useful in some situations where a blow torch cannot be used. Full instructions can be found here www.justforcopp...
Quite a few people have commented saying that just for copper does not work, or does not work well. I have used it a couple of times and it has been really useful in some situations where it was not possible to solder a joint. I thought I’d make this video to see whether or not the just for copper could take the pressure or not and it definitely took the pressure. I’d just like to point out that I’m not affiliated in any way with just for copper. I hope everyone has a great weekend ;-)
Obviously I would not use just for copper to do the plumbing for a whole house as traditional solder joints would be the joint of choice for me, but in some situations this product is superb ;-)
How long does the glue last? any actual time tests?
Don McAro it’s expected to last the duration of the installation.
First, thanks a lot for this demonstration, Mr Ultimate Handyman! I've used this product for over 12 years now, in situations where soldering is too difficult, like tight spaces, or the proximity of heat sensitive items, but also when the pipes are wet! What a shame this product isn't sold in the Home Depot stores in New Jersey (USA) where I live now.
I haven't been let down by it so far. Two pieces of ADVICE for the new users:
1) SHAKE WELL before applying, otherwise there will be unhardened residue outside the bonded surfaces.
2) Make sure your fittings are in PROPER POSITION quickly, because one can unsolder a fitting, but one cannot unglue it for repositioning.
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@@ultimatehandyman You can unglue it, you need to heat it to ~400 degrees though
It is sold at ace hardware, Walmart, Sears, Amazon, etc.
Most of the failures of fittings that I come across are due to incorrect installation and not following the manufacturers installation instructions. It's amazing how some people will throw together pipe and fittings that they've never used before without doing a wee bit of research on its correct installation first, and when it fails, they blame the fittings, not themselves. Great video and I'll give this Just for Copper a go. Thanks for sharing.
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That's a crazy level of pressure it holds! Far better than I'd have expected.
Absolutely!
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wonder how it works ? chemical bonding of the atoms ?
an aerobic adhesive, that cures in the absence of air, copper needs cleaning or the oxide layer will stopthe glue working, its kinda like loctite,
it may hold a lot of pressure however it will not hold it for a longer period of time like solder would
@@captiand387 ...And you would know this because you're a metallurgist? ....Or a self-proclaimed Internet molecular chemist?
Been using it for years not one issue yet I'm in Canada and this winter hit -30 and the glue is still holding many years later those who say it doesn't work are not using it right best invention EVER
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@@ultimatehandyman actually as I was writing that I just sat down from fixing a pipe, and every time I open the valve I'm never disappointed no pssst no-drip always tight and sealed and I always that god for such an invention,
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Great video and I never knew this stuff existed so thank you for letting us all know that there is a product available which can cope in no solder, no compression joint situations.
Absolutely.
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This product has been around since the late 20th century. It has taken the first decade to prove it won't fail in ten years. So picked up popularity in around 2010 with popular mechanics and sunset magazine.
I've used this product a couple of times. Once was for installation of outside hydrant tap. Long story, had no choice due to lines location etc. That was my first time. Still holding fine 15 years ago. House pressure 80 psi.
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Im a repairman and I have used it many times, even for shower water mixer install and it has never fail. I was skeptical and worry but it worked even 12 years ago.
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Wow, I have never heard of this product, I have in the past used compression fittings as I am no good at soldering.Thank you for showing this product that I am going to get ASAP and save myself a small fortune on copper fittings. I know you are in the UK, where did you buy yours from please. Keep up the great videos, they are very enlightening.
I got sent a bottle about 8 years back as I reviewed it for my website.
It is widely available on ebay or Amazon though.
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The stuff has been in the USA and South America since the 20th century. long track record of pipes holding up after 20 years with this bond. good product. I cam across it in popular mechanics article in the late 1990s.
Watched your video and picked up a small bottle at Ace her in the States. Working as promised. Thanks for the video! Would have been a lot more difficult without it.
This stuff has saved me a few times!
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I was worried the whole pipe was going to rupture I hope you where wearing the required PPE I'm surprised copper pipes can take that pressure great video chez
Thanks Yusuf, I often do pressure testing at work. If something fails normally there is just a leak of water until the pressure is lost. Because this testing rig does not hold a lot of water there is not a lot of volume and because liquids are not compressible, not much happens if something fails apart from getting wet.
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Ah man I wanted to see you open the compression tap at the end!
youd get a tiny bit of water come out, water doesnt compress thus doesnt store the energy, wheres say cokecola stores energy in the dissolved gas
Brilliant video and well constructed experiment as always.
I've managed to put a slight nick in a 22mm central heating pipe which some bozo installed right up against the underside of the floorboard, so when I cut the floorboard I scraped one the pipes with the multi tool blade. Luckily it'd not deep, so no leaks (yet). Just wondering if this stuff will seal it, or is it not worth worrying about?
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I don't think this will work for that purpose.
This might work- diy.evo-stik.co.uk/product/hard-fast-metal-epoxy-putty
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That's pretty impressive. I wonder how well it holds under some disturbance and contraction of hot and cold pipes. I remember you showing this last time round and I couldn't believe it. Thanks for doing the demo.
Yes, I'm not sure about the disturbance but the hot and cold contraction should not be an issue as they sat it is fine for such use.
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It is made for refrigeration lines. The "pro" version is rated to 800 PSI. The HVAC version is rated to a wide temperature range and 1200PSI!!!
You know you can easily contact the manufacturer and ask :-)
JFC is great if the tolerances are exact. Tight fits won't work and slightly loose won't work. It's a small window. Basically only works well on new pipes/tubes.
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Never seen that stuff Chez. Thanks for the vid. Pretty amazing stuff.
Just as I thought "I wonder when that compression fitting will leak" you said it was,
You are welcome.
It was the compression elbow at the other end of the pipe that was weeping (my hand could have covered it).
The compression elbow connects the copper pipe to the flexible pipe on the pressure testing bucket.
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The stuff has been in the USA and South America since the 20th century. long track record of pipes holding up after 20 years with this bond. good product. I cam across it in popular mechanics article in the late 1990s.
That is an amazing product. What would be perfect about it if the color would be silver like solder
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It seems that this would be the best solution for joining copper pipes. Is there any drawback such as price or speed compared with other methods? Thanks and awesome video. I'll be waiting for the next!
I don't think there is much room for error when using the just for copper, if for example you used the wrong grade of abrasive paper or you touched the end it could effect the integrity of the joint, whereas with a solder fitting or compression it is not that important.
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First, thanks for the demo, and the other pressure testing vids, they are really helpful. I am learning to solder copper pipes and use a pressure tester to 20/25 bar to test the work. No leaks of water evident at this pressure after several hours, but the gauge pressure drops by a few psi over this time period - is the loss of (presumably) air pressure normal? Cheers Chez, your input just answering comments is truly appreciated.
I think when I used to work on site, we had to pressurise pipes for about 30 minutes for the sake on the insurers (steel pipe for steam lines etc)
Over time the pressure can drop due to small leaks in the test equiment (if the pipe was leaking, you would know, as it would be wet)
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I normally use compression or tectite fittings but that stuff is astounding. What type of "joiner" did you use please ?
I just used a end feed coupler and the just for copper adhesive.
You have to follow the instructions to the letter so clean the tube using 60 grit abrasive paper, do not blow the dust away or touch the part that you have cleaned. Also you have to clean the inside of the coupler with the 60 grit paper, then apply a thin zig zag bead to both components then insert the tube and turn it 360 degrees quickly.
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Same company makes HEAT SHIELD GEL and HEAT SHIELD PUTTY. Clear, non-staining gel leaves no residue eliminating clean-up
Helps prevent heat damage to components and surrounding materials during soldering, brazing and welding. Protects painted and finished surfaces from discoloration due to adjacent torch operations. Reduces danger of fire to surrounding surfaces such as rubber and plastic seals and gaskets. Non toxic, evaporates away in a day.
Is Just for Copper accepted by plumbing inspectors? Is it approved by the plumbing code? Just curious. Glue for copper! Looks like a great product.
It is WRAS approved in the UK.
This really helped me once when I was repairing a leak in a really bad position.
I'm not sure about other countries, but I assume it will meet their codes.
You can read more about it here- www.justforcopper.co.uk/features-benefits/4549914763
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It is approved in most areas of the USA and Canada.
Never heard of this product, seems really useful for certain situations. Thanks for taking the time to do the testing! All the best!!
It has helped me out a couple of times!
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It's been around since the 20th century! good stuff.
Came across this old video of yours as I have a bloody tricky joint to make up.
In the end I’ve bought one of those Hot Dogs 2 things - always wanted to try one. But this would be good too (there’s no way I can get a flame or a spanner in to this spot I have )
With modern chemicals there SHOULD be a product like this and I’m all for new technology. Glad you showed the luddites 👍👏😀
I had exactly the same problem as you a few years back and this really helped me out 👍
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The pressure that just for copper took is astonishing.
Absolutely.
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That is nothing the manufacturer makes two other versions of this formula that can do 800PSI and 1200 PSI
Excellent test. Like most things, good preparation leads to good results. Well done.
Absolutely.
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Been using it since I saw your video. Sooooo how do you un-bond them? I have a small air leak. It was my fault I crushed the pipe a little, though I fixed it..
I think if you heat up the joint, the glue disintegrates, then you can break it through by twisting.
That holds very well , good video thanks for sharing!👍
You are welcome.
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amazing!!!! I was waiting for it to blow apart, super strong joint.
I wasn't sure if it would hold or not, but I'm glad it did.
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Never new such a solution existed.....
I first used it over 5 years ago on a job where a blowtorch could not be used, it worked really well.
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Hi what's the shelf life of this stuff? I brought some from B&Q over 5 years ago. It's knocking about somewhere. I only used it on 2 joints, I can't recall it said anything on the packaging, meh 🤷♂️. I remember it said wras approved and suitable to use on gas. Although I don't know if I'd use it on gas because it goes into the pipe internally too, which could means restriction of gas.
I'm not sure about the shelf life, but I definitely would not use it on gas!
I thought it was for use on water only!
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Am I nuts, or did I see the gauge slowly bleeding? Thank you for the review!
The compression fitting on the end of the pipe was weeping slightly as it was a second hand olive, hence the slow drop in pressure.
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what sort of pressure is in a general central heating setup, say with a combi boiler I thought it was only about 2 bar, 40 bar is just nuts. that's some strong stuff!
Normally central heating systems are about 2 bar when running, so yes 40 bar is nuts!
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My concern would be would it make it a yyear under pressure
wonder if loctite would do the same job? though i dont get why it needs to exist, we have compression fittings, but i guess options are good for that super tight location
Not sure about the Loctite.
I once did a job where I could not get in to tighten a compression fitting and could not solder it as it was right next to a joist, so this stuff was quite literally the only thing I could use.
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Does copper lock hinder temperature transfer from copper heatpipes?
What is the difference between welding and soldering? I'm trying to custom create a copper heatsink.
Yes, I would imagine it does hinder the temperature transfer.
Soldering uses solder, which is often made from tin/lead, this can be used to solder different types of metal together, such as copper to brass etc. Some metals cannot be soldered. Soldering requires much less heat than welding.
Welding normally uses the same metal filler rod, then both parts are fused together using the filler rod, this can be done electrically or by using gas. Welding requires much more heat, but is stronger than solder.
Solder is probably the best option to join copper to copper
@@ultimatehandyman thanks that's very informative.
However, I don't have the proper equipment to safely solder a heat transfer pipe (will explode)
I also do not know how to weld.
I'm trying to find out the efficacy of heat transfer using the copper lock vs. using a thermal epoxy because it's more feasible to do so.
How does it fair with hot water? I'd expect the heat to melt the glue? Interesting stuff though!🤔
It's fine with hot water ;-)
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What a great video. I've never new? Thanks for the information.
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It has been around since the 20th century. Customers have had joints that have lasted over 30 years now.
Enjoyed it very much, You are good at this, keep it up, very well explained. perfect. I have used that kind of stuff before, It does work. no heat.
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A very impressive test taken to a pressure way above normal operating pressure. It would be interesting to learn longevity of such a joint in regular service where copper pipe is subjected to many heating cooling cycles?
Would the chemicals leach into drinking water?
Thanks for adding another useful and informative video.
Kind regards, Colin.
Not sure about that Colin, the product is WRAS approved though so I'm assuming that they have tested it for leeching into the water.
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yes the same goes for plastic fittings that they say 'can be used for central heating' with the thermal cycling, UV exposure and general ageing, id rather trust copper than plastic, and this stuff is some kind of plastic, id rather stick to soldering where possible IMO
Just-for-Copper is a polyacrylic adhesive with a longer useful life [50 yrs] than the copper pipe [30 yrs]. The only use limitations I can see is due to the adhesive losing bond in greater than 118 degrees Centigrade conditions - so fire regs will not permit its use in gas pipe joints. Also a pipe with this sort of joint doesn't run to earth unless you fit a grounding wire to bridge the gap.
I've seen this or a similar product at the local hardware store. I was wondering if it worked.
Any idea about the longevity of joints made with it? I'd hate to use it for a repair and find out that it loses adhesion after ten years.
I'm not sure how long it will work for, sorry.
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The product has been around since the late 20th century. We know it works. Maybe you should read the other comments from customers stating the product has held up for 10, 15, 20, 25 years in applications from radiators to refrigeration to industrial plumbing.
That is the only super glue bonding agent that I've ever seen working. I don't think I was the only one squinting ready for that to blow up. Impressive would I still use it in my home no. But outside for sure
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Many adhesives stick well when first applied. However, with time, UV, chemicals in the system, aggressive fluxes from other soldered joints - I would be keen to see if this stuff degrades over time. My house has soldered joints that are 60 years old. Would doubt that Just For Copper would still hold after such a period of time.
I think there are similar issues with some push fit joints over time.
Soldered is definitely best.
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Lots of UV in those joints?
Bull Shit on the UV in the plumbing joints :-)
What about in refrigerant piping? Head pressures don't usually get that high, but I'm curious as to the absolute limit and whether it can contaminate refrigerant? I'll be finishing my program in a few months and I would like an alternative solution to brazing if at all possible.
I think this is only approved for water, but you can always get in touch with them to make certain.
www.justforcopper.co.uk/contact/4549928208
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Maybe visit the manufacturer, read the packaging, and call the company. It is designed for refrigeration and radiator pipes. They make version of this formula like the Pro that do 800PSI. The HVAC version is rated to 1200PSI.
Hi handyman
i just purchased a wall mounted basketball hoop. I've tried to use the included sleeved anchors but have failed miserably. Please could you advise me on how to use sleeved anchors
It's important to drill the correct diameter hole for them or else they will not work!
Are you fixing to brick, concrete or stone?
I'm fixing to brick using the m10 100mm anchors. Using a 10mm sds bit and im drilling a bit deeper than the 100mm length the problem is that when i tighten the anchor it doesn't expand so obviously it's not going to work. Also the threaded part needs to come out quite a bit to fix the hoop to it.
Thanks for your time
Sometimes you have to tighten the nut, which pulls the anchor until the nut feels tight, then loosen off the nut and tap it back in the hole using a hammer. This means that the end of the anchor has expanded so it normally grips then when you tighten the nut.
I hope this helps.
Failing that you might have to inject some grab adhesive or resin in the hole to get them to work.
"I'm going to make up a joint" - I didn't think this was that sort of channel! 😝
Ha Ha, I thought exactly the same once I had said it ;-)
Great video mate, thanks for your valuable time.
No problem 👍
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Can this be used to fix an a/c refrigerant lines or is this exclusively for water line copper pipes?
As far as I am aware, it can only be used on water pipes.
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They make a brand for hvac yes
If this product actually holds why would we not use it all the time and not bother with soldering? Is there evidence it may not hold up as long? Or is there just not enough evidence on its longevity to completely trust it at this time? Could this product be like snakebite fittings - allowing home owners to do jobs that required plumbers - or at least the ability to solder - in the past?
This is great for applications where you cannot get in to solder, but for durability and guaranteed joints I would always go with solder.
I made this video because lots of people commented on my first product saying it does not work (most of whom have probably not even tried the product)
Mine has lasted 6 years so far!
Hi after 2 years how is it holding on is it good stuff
I assume it would still be fine. I used this on site a few years back and the joint is still fine over 10 years later.
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Great demo, I wonder how it performs when subjected to ethanol vapours ;)
Not sure about that LOL
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Ask the manufacturer or test the $10 product yourself. Why wonder?
Good vidio, its just getting your head around it glue for pipe fittings ,its having the confidence to fit it and walk away from some bodys house. dont think i would sleep, maybe try in outside toillet,
You can't beat solder fittings, but this stuff really helped me out once. I would not use it, unless there was no other option.
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How does connection fair when a shock wave passes through the water line (as when the washing machine suddenly turns off the water flow)? Or when water hammer occurs?
No Idea, I just did the pressure test as some people were trolling one of my other videos, saying it does not work etc.
Never knew this stuff existed, thanks for the heads up.
You are welcome.
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Is it electronically conductive?
No, I don't think it is
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Great great video 💯
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Could you tell me where I could buy this from, I’ve only seen it on eBay for £35 ,I’ve just bought some Super fast plus glue after seeing it on TH-cam, I got it to glue copper pipes , I’m making various items kitchen roll holders and pipe mug trees, but the super fast glue doesn’t give enough time to position the pipes before it sets hard, it’s very much like super glue, so I’m going to try just for copper as it doesn’t seem to go hard immediately , any advice would really appreciated
I’m sure I got mine from a company called Kalimex, but they don’t seem to stock it now.
There is a cheaper bottle on eBay here- bit.ly/3YdbeCq 👍
@@ultimatehandyman Thanks for the quick reply, I’ve just looked at the price on the one you recommended and it’s only £26 thanks again 👍Ps I forgot to ask you have you any tips for removing super fast glue from Amticio flooring, I dropped a couple of blobs on our newly laid kitchen floor and my Mrs is not too happy 🙈
Not sure about that, sorry 🤔
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Does it work to use this product for the HVAC system?
No, it's only for water, if I remember correctly 👍
What I am wondering is how this product works when metal sweats at certain times of the day. This is how my toilet failed that was epoxied together when I sat on it to PO PO and the john broke in half Sir. Just what happened to me in real life and the john split in two.
Why would you not use solder instead? How will this perform on 100degrees plus?
Probably not good on that temp. This is good in areas where you can’t use solder.
Thanks for sharing - this is a new one for as I didn't know the product existed. Best regards mike
You are welcome Mike,
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will it work for central heating joints? will it intefear with inhibitors?
It should be fine, more info here-
www.justforcopper.co.uk/features-benefits/4549914763
Trouble is what does it do over the long term though? Just because it holds at the time doesn't mean it lasts.
In a pinch it's probably useful but I'd always avoid it
Mine has been leak free for 6 years
I was sceptical about using copper pipes for my air compressor lp system. I never thought copper could stand so much pressure!
PEX A can do 800 PSI before bursting
Might be worth retesting the same joint in six months then a year. This was a great demonstration of this product, though I remain skeptical.
Also, I hope the criminally incompetent contractors and blind-deaf-dumb code inspectors in my area never learn of this product or they'll be real trouble.
That's a good idea, Ian. I'll put the piece somewhere safe and retest it in future.
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there will be real trouble, not they'll sorry
Ultimate Handyman It has to be used and have water inside it.
Would love to see the retest now that it has been a year. :-)
My joint on my water main has lasted 6 years so far.
Can you use for ac application?
I don’t know, I think it is only for water 👍
Can it work for refrigerator copper?
Thank you
Not sure, as far as I'm aware this is only suitable for water
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is this approved in the U.S.A ?
I'm not sure, sorry
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Is there a temperature restriction?
I’m sure there is, but I can’t find that info anywhere 🤔
Used it on lots of radiator pipes and 10 years later they still there
Wow, amazing!!!
what about Temperature?can I use it on heating system? 60°/70°C?
Yes, it will retain its bond from temperatures ranging from a low of -40C to a high of 118C.
Why is the pressure guage dropping after the test
I've used it and was very happy b👏🏼👌
Yeah.. might gold oressure for a year until the water degrades the glue.. thrn your whole house floods. This is ok for a temporary fix until a plumber solders it
Yeah, because soldered joints never leak 😂
Didn't expect that 👍
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what about testing a higher pressure like up to 150bar
Most water pressure is less than 8 Bar. I certainly would not use this stuff on hydraulics!
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does it hold up to gas or lpg?
No, it's only for use on water.
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Any way to take the joint apart without cutting?
You might be able to use a blowtorch- but I'm not 100% certain.
No must cut it. But best product I've ever used good for 50 years
Really surprised that stuff took 40 Bar, even if it took half that i would still be happy using it
The question now is, what pressure will it actually fail at?
Not sure what pressure it would fail at.
I should really of taken it to 50 bar whilst I had it on the test rig.
If I use the rig again I'll put it back on and take it up to 50 bar.
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Manufacturer say 500psi, so it seems UH exceeded maximum pressure it can take.
Good video.
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i think thats fantastic just for a diy people is bit risque and thats my opnion i enjoyed the video.
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You need to de-burr the inside of your pipe. I realize this was a demo, but someone might not know and run into problems later on.
I did, that de-burring tool de-burrs internally and externally.
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Great sharing!!
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Thanks man
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I have to do a replace on a heat exchanger that is copper and need to
Will traces of tin lead on surfaces impede the bonding of this product?
Yes, I believe this only works on clean copper to clean copper 👍
So basically this is like a pvc solvent weld
Not sure if I can trust a non soldered copper joint beneath floorboards or behind walls, it's too early in the products lifestyle to tell and very costly and annoying if it fails.
The way the pipe an test is done, dosen't seem that the pressure would be correct since the pipes are not connected. If it was a closed system where the pipe ends are connected so true pressure could build up. Sorry its not clear, if pipe was connected then it would make sense.
wow impressive :)
Hi mate, is this stuff WRAS approved?
Yes it is.
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The proof of the pudding is in the tasting.
Absolutely.
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If it's not completely dry don't even try it.
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Epoxy resin then!
I have used 5 minute epoxy, and it too works well, but this stuff doesn't require mixing. I still don't know what kind of glue it is.
You lose pressure because there’s air in the pipe
they don't trust it with gas tho...
It just looks like gorilla glue, Which yeah i sue to take a dab or gorrila glue and put it under my friends tire and watch him try to drive away lmao. Wandering why he couldn't move no matter how much gas he gave it lmao. I don't gorrila glue would be safe in your water though..
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30 pounds hahaha. Put 100 on it.
knew not new ! 😣
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