Tow Truck 8 Point tie down and Different tie down methods. Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ส.ค. 2018
- Two of the most commonly used tie down methods. Proper tie down will make you more confident and most importantly, you will look like a professional
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I just purchased an old rollback for my personal use so these videos help me learn how to properly operate it.
Good luck with your new venture!!
I’m like a beginner to towing like level -1. Been watching ur videos and they help a lot.. thanks bro
is this the one you are using HI VIZ GREEN 8-Point Tie Down Kit by All-Grip?
Do you ever find a use for a side pole or on a rollback? Are there any Scenarios where you prefer the traditional wrecker with the boom? I would assume recoveries in ditches where you need lift.
Damn bro you blowin up. The tow industry is hot right now
Thanks for another great video!
Could you do a video of you lubricating your Kilar rollback and wheel lift when you do it??
Show us a tour of your garage and dispatch to drive commutation setup
Couldn't find the video of how to use the R hook. Has it came out yet?
Any time towing vt youtube channel
Hello. I am looking for tips and suggestions. I am new to vehicle transporting. It is for my personal items only. I have a lifted Jeep on 40" tires. Weight approx. 5000lbs. I have a 22' trailer with drive-over fenders with D-rings on all four corners and in front and back of each trailer wheel-well. Additionally, the trailer has rub rails along each side where chain and hook can be used. What would be the best solution for transporting? I see a lot of 4x4 rigs use axle straps with ratchet straps connected to D-rings. I read that the straps should be no less than 45 degrees (axle to D-ring) otherwise there is big loss of tie down force. My ties on the rear axle are at 45 degrees. Front axle straps are less than 45 degrees. Also, should I strap the Jeep body rock sliders to the D-rings next to the trailer fenders to keep the Jeep body from bouncing? Thanks in advance!
Look into an 8 Point Tie Down system that goes over the tire. No need to slide underneath to hook axle straps. Reach out to www.baremotion.com they can custom make them for your application.
What are those straps rated at? On the website I can't find any details on how much its rated for. Its the first strap you show us
The ones I use are rated for 4000lbs per strap, so 16000lbs total
Excellent video 👍👍👍
Chains have a bunch of links why are they not adjustable I don't get it please explain
I have 30 ft homemade triaxle goose neck trailer,with the d rings running down the sides of the trailer, will I be able to haul cars legally?
im new in car hauling
You should be fine as long as you have 4 points of contacts on the vehicle. Stop by a scale or personally ask a DOT officer if unsure.
Technically 2 chains on one end is legal as long as their tight and there's no slack but that doesn't exclude the 4-point tie down he still have to have two on the other end and as far as chains go you can put a binder on them to tighten them up
Not true, They have to be adjustable, They cannot just be tight with no way to adjust them, Whether or not a winch counts as that adjustment I have no reference to a code stating whether or not thats allowed, but I have been told that the winch is not acceptable and it has to be an independent adjustability on each tie down, so that is what i go by.
Not exactly boss, you need the 4 points. Straps in the front or rear depending how you picked it up. With the winch hooks, then as it's tilted you can place the chains on the other end, retract the Winch to give it that tension, then tilt it on the truck bed flat, the straps will become loose as expected, then there adjust the straps tightly again! Your welcome. Oh and always place car in park with e brake, if manual transmission place into gear and e brake
These aren’t the safest option. My friend died August 2021 using straps like these. He was working a late night call and got in an accident here in Arizona. He was towing a Ford F-250 in a ram 5500 flatbed. The straps failed and the truck on his bed went through the headache rack and through his cab. I firmly believe if he had used chains on the rear differential of the f250 that would not have happened. Using chains it would have had to tear out the slots on the bed or tear out the differential. Stay safe y’all.
I know I feel safer using j hooks in the back
I drove a flatbed in 2016 for about 9 months and just went back to it last week after giving up on my 20 year auto painting career and they used straps in the backs and I just don't feel comfortable and use the j hooks when I'm in the truck.
You always use chains on trucks unless you absolutely have no other choice specially on a medium duty
@@sanifsan Yes. Hauling a auto is not like logs, lumber, etc. Straps may work for logs, but for cars I use crossed J hooks in back, winch tight, then 2 HD chains and ratchet binder. Never any issue. And like Louis said, some cars are thin when hooking to the uni body frame. Those axles are alot better suited for this. I get ppl want no marks, scratches, etc that's fine use what u must, but I'd still use my way and wrap the axles with a cable strap or a chain strap that has the cable or chain inside strap. That way we're all happy and safe.
I had truck lose power and shut off. I was off exit and clear of the traffic on exit, and in front of me with all lights on. A drunk woman in a brand new Jeep wrangler came down road and while I was looking in a safe place, she took out front axle, tire, rim, leaf springs and steps and flipped. I was right behind the tool box about 6 feet away. Reminded me of explosions it was so loud. A AAA driver was behind me with her lights on blocking me like cops do and had dash cam. She thought I was a goner. Please be safe. Anything made of metal can be replaced. We're bags of blood, meat and bone. Ppl really need to PAY ATTENTION. We run so many lights and drivers still can't see us. I still was concerned even though she was wasted. I used to be that way. 14 years ago I started living without being like her. Best thing I've ever done for me and all that I'm around in vehicles or whatever. If u want to party I got no issues unless u get behind the wheel. We got enuff to worry about with distracted driving. Have a ride, plan so u and I can go home to our spouse and kids.
Well honestly. Most of the approved training and state approved tie downs don’t allow wheels straps for trucks. Especially 3/4 ton and up. You definitely need to use chains in the back and mini Js in the front
I know this is 2y ago, sorry for your loss.
This is something I’ve trained my employees about ever since we started running the 8 point straps. We run the straps just to “look good”, but always run extra safeties. Running big j’s and chains to the slots isn’t enough, I’ve seen them fail. We slot the chains, then also run the excess chain tight through a side pocket, or wrapped around the rear hole.
Stay safe out there and God bless,
Fred.
Can u start tow truck at 16?
In your state
Danka, sir. I just bought a rollback and with these 2 methods I cant miss. I always did the 4(2front, 2 back) and believe straps are much easier to work with than chains. I'll make you proud if you pass by me.
Love using the 8 point. I was sceptical at first, but fell in love with it.
Question does the car has to be in park or leave in neutral is ok because I always use chains and do a tight tie down and leave the vehicles on neutral?
@@auzziehehe9954 Leaving it in neutral is fine, I never put a vehicle in park it's just another step and I have to climb up and down the bed for it.
@@badgerpa9 That is the name of it, 8 points of contact to the bed, legally it's a 4 point tie down, but it does have 8 points of contact to the bed so it's not entirely incorrect, just legally isn't considered 8.
Sorry guys but real question ... My boss and co workers have told me to never tow a car on neutral??
Good Stuff!
Will this strap hold a 3/4-ton or 1-ton truck?
Yes. A good rule of thumb is to check the gvwr of the truck you are carrying. For example of its 10k, and the working load limits of your straps are 4k each multiplied by 4, that puts you at 16k. I believe the straps on the video are rated for 3,333 lbs each
if the cross chains on the back have binders or ratchet chain binders that qualifies. in heavy haul we use chains and binders all the time. its the standard of the industry.
Yes your absolutely right. Thanks for watching
Y chain from the winch with 2 mini js to the a arms and a single mini j on the rear to a slot is just fine for anything under 35 miles in my opinion I do 4 corner tie across state lines
Its not fine. Dot is federal they require 4 points wheher its 200ft or 200 miles.
I work with dot patrols quite a bit and no one’s never said nothing to me
Luis very good way of safety with no worries I've seen cars on flatbeds before but never seen tow straps to tied down vehicles. AAA the white trucks were the only ones that would use these straps on all four tires,they were trained right on safety that's why you should man videos to remind and teach people how to do things the proper way on towing and not cause any damage to the vehicles while transporting them. Thank you !!!
8 point can cause damage. Unfortunately I had 2 SUVs come to a nearly complete stop on a 65 mph road (left hand Lucy would not move into the middle lane when the other vehicle was entering from a left side on ramp) in front of me a I was checking my mirrors to see if it was clear for me to switch lanes. The 8 point kept the vehicle securely on my bed during the resulting collision, but the straps did dent the front fenders. It was the only vehicle that wasn't totaled from the wreck. My flatbed along with the two SUVs were complete losses.
Under normal circumstances the straps are least likely to cause damage, but even with a perfectly centered vehicle on your deck, there are times they can cause damage.
Do you need a special license if you have a rollback
If its under 26k gvwr no. Some states require an endorsement
When I use the tie down points, I cross them over in the back. This prevents the vehicle on the bed from shifting to either side should you be forced to execute sharp maneuvers. If the vehicle on the bed shifts position it could cause you to lose traction or flip you over.
Though how he shows it wrapping around the wheels is better than nothing, it is possible for the wheel to pop over the strap which will allow the vehicle to shift position.
Your 8 point is technically a 4 point as defined by the law. 1 strap per point so each wheel strap is considered one point. Running J hooks on the rear and winching tight then attaching 2 front straps is a legal 4 point as well and is the most common way to tie down.
You need to make a video when help people out
So J hook and chain is illegal on back tire bc it’s not adjustable ? It has to be a strap and J hook?
You need four point of tie downs winch does not count. Two of them must be adjustable. So you can run two chains on the rear and two straps on the front. It use to be , all four needed to be adjustable.
@@towuniverse2443 thanks just bought my first truck been learning as I go.. u saved me a ticket lol
Mostly tow king cab long bed 3/4 ton pickups I don't even know what a strap is, chains and binders on every corner. You should be able to turn the rollback upside down and the vehicle being towed doesn't budge, no movement whatsoever.
Rear around tyre isn’t recommended and probably illegal especially if is half flat as tht one
We're did you get your shirts?
Can get at Hi-Vis
@@larrywelser9088 ?
Does the car has to be in park when using the 8 point? Or neutral is fine ?
No, It does not. I never put vehicles in Park when properly strapped
ALWAYS E BRAKE ON OR IN PARK
@@larrygonzales7410 Nope, never I always leave the vehicle in neutral e brake off the entire time i'm loading, transporting, and unloading the car.
@@towtruckaj well that's just dumb. But I guess we all have our own ways
@@larrygonzales7410 How do you figure it's dumb? The safest way to load a vehicle has been know to be loading it and unloading it with the winch, that is the absolute safest way to do it, To do so without excessive load on the cable or on the car, you do so in neutral, Once you get it on the bed, you do your 4 points of tie down at least, And that stops the vehicle from front and back, side to side, and up and down movement, Being in neutral or being in park will make absolutely no difference to that vehicle coming loose or not, As a matter of fact i'd say it's more dangerous to put it in park or put on the E brake as it requires you to climb on the bed which is a no no to engage the parking brake or put it in park, As well as in neutral keys stay in the ignition so they will never be lost... If you want to explain how it's dumb i'll always listen, but I have a feeling you have no real reason for calling it dumb.
Where do you get 8 points?
Baremotion.com
I've been in the business for 30 years... the chains on the back ARE ADJUSTABLE as the slack is adjusted by the slot and then tightened by either the winch (which counts as 1) or the rachets in the front corners (2).... thus making it LEGAL.
Not according to D.O.T ask me how i know
This one is a bit of a gray area to be honest, I have heard that each tie down has to be independent which would knock the winch tightening method or strap tightening method both out of the equation, but I can't seem to find a reference to that, I have also heard the winch does not count as a tie down, however in the FMCSA drivers handbook of cargo securement it does state both a winch and wire rope are a securement device, It continues on to say a tie down much be attacked and secured as to not become loose or unfastened opened or released during transit, which one could argue a winch does not abide by as winch failures do happen specifically with the free spool function in the winter with ice build up, Which is why I do not strictly rely on the winch for securement. As for it not counting, I know some DOT agents will not allow it, Some might I don't know but I cannot find any for sure reference to answer the question, There definitely has to be 4 adjustable tie downs, I just can't find a reference to prove whether or not a winch can count as the adjustability for a tie down.
I know during my wreckmaster course my instructor sounded pretty sure that it was 4 independent adjustable tie downs, Going with that I have no reason to argue with that, And maybe he even referenced the law on that and I missed it, but right now I cannot find that reference.
@@towuniverse2443 My friend there is no NATIONAL DOT rule of 4 tie downs. Your STATE and a few others do have a 4 point tie down and that is fine. Please refer the exact rule number from the NATIONAL 4 point rule here. You can't...
Can’t see from the side
Listen to what he says a lot what's quicker and easier! His method at the end of the video is hilarious 😂😱
That's just crazy on that Acura ball joint. Someone had no clue what they were doing.
I use the winch to control arms or t slots , or whatever else, a safety chain and a strap on bothsides..done deal
If Bimmy of Sth Side Jamaica, Queens had a son; this is him.
You know my real dad? Lol
@@towuniverse2443 haha 😂 🤘🏼
In the uk we use this and isn’t great
newbie here, here in Cali, I believe we can use the long chains and J hooks to the back and ratchet to the front, one of my co-workers is using this 8 point method, i don't like it car rolls back and fort, I rather do and can do my method faster with my own set up, which is putting the strap thru the wheel... straps that I'm using have the hook in the middle of the strap and the one end has a small loop.
They changed the rules, you can use 2 adjustable straps and 2 chains, but all 4 must be secured. It use to be all 4 had to be adjustable.
@@towuniverse2443 so do you still do it this way with the green straps you demonstrated, or no?
Put your access strap back to the wratchet and do it a couple more times .. more professional than just tying the extra strap.
Can you please make a video of what you mean I think I understand but a video would be great
@@JK-yd5ro U ever see those cable ties covered in silicone, plastic etc that is in Lowes etc that is used for extension cord, hanging up hand tools like shovels, etc they work great for this. I keep them this way and I rarely need to get more slack. If not all u do is take the slack, and shove it through after rolling it up and tighten down. Or those big wide rubber bands that used to be around bags holding them to the vac. Idk where to get. Or just loop it up and use HD velcro. Wrap a 16 inch piece around extra. Or since they come so damn long I just use the straps with the bull ring cause they fast and u can put around, through wheels and tires, axles etc. But I use the straps that have cable, chain inside so it's easier, and won't get hung up on brake lines, etc. Gotta watch these newer autos. They have entire front end covered up with a plastic skid plate. 1 wrong slip and it can be damaged. I ripped mine off cause I had to take off yo change oil. It's useless. If urr gonna have a skid plate, have a metal 1.
Errrr. Two wheel straps on opposing corners would be better than the J in that location
The mini was still a little faster imo
texas weather whould rot them straps being out in sun
I can see that with the sun. Do you guys run them laid out on the beds like I do?
@@towuniverse2443 we're do you get your work shirts
I like to just slam a big j In one of the rims and haul ass never thought about strapin
Usually people that own the tow truck can do this stuff. If you work for someone then you have to do it their way and not experiment 😂
I’m starting a tow job today and don’t know shit 😂😅
omg no hooks on bmw's please. Wheel straps only.
They are pieces of shit so why not 🤣
Hahahaha! Most towed vehicle: BMW.
Probably because of the Attitude of the people that drive/can afford them.
Is there any real tow truck guys out there anymore
Enlighten me please
Don’t worry bro I’m gonna start making some videos I’ll show you guys how it’s really done
@@petevigil1259 everything I do is the Wreck Masters way. My straps never come loose. I have never been cited by DOT. Please do some videos
@@towuniverse2443 I will
Round here they secure cars using 1 chain on the back and the winch
Thats why insurance rates are so high...
That's a no no
@@larrywelser9088 yeah ik
A dog bone over the tire
Ok so, The big J-hooks on any vehicle is a huge No, no unless it’s being recovered from an accident scene. Those giant J-hooks can easily be hooked on your steering’s control arms and damage them. I also noticed he attached the mini-j to an aluminum part of the undercarriage when using the wheel strap... also a big big no, no. Mini-j hooks are only to be attached to a designated REINFORCED STEEL part of the vehicle (in which NO BMW vehicles has). So a soft bridle should have been used to winch the vehicle on to the bed, not those giant J-hooks, and four wheel-straps (one one each tire) should have been used to transport this particular vehicle. This isn’t a state to state regulation thing, it’s general knowledge.
1) J hooks are not to be used for recovery.
2) The X3 does not have aluminum control arms.
3) If you watch where your putting your J hooks, than you should not be destroying tie rods etc.
4) The mini J uses was actually put on Double Wall Hook pocket underneath the car. Perfectly fine. Everything I do is the wreckmaster way.
This video was used for demonstration purposes all the vehicles we tow go down the road with a all 4 corners strapped. This is not a state regulation but a federal one.
Thanks for watching
@@towuniverse2443 I been hauling with the big J hooks for 10 years ZERO problems
bmw has T/mini J slots where the jack gets positioned when changing the tire .. you have to remove the rubber grommets to access them .. just be sure to out the rubber grommets back when done
Technically that is a 4 point tie down cause there is only one strap per tire. So to me it's a 4 point and not an 8 point.
D Franco correct. 4 point tie down. I hate when guys leave their straps out on the bed for quicker times. Equipment is too expensive to leave out. That looks fast until you really have to take out all 4 wrath Etsy, straps etc. Good video content. I’d Never run straps outside a tire. What happens if the tire loses air?
Advertised as 8 point tie down as in 8 points to the bed but yes legally it is a 4 point tie down
@@tinystowingtinyunis2957 You ever had all 4 tires lose air at the same time? And I don't know about you but I know every single time one of my straps lose tension, it's as easy as looking in the mirror and seeing it loose then stopping to tighten it. As for equipment being too expensive to leave out, I do it all the time, No issues, it's no different than leaving it out and securing a vehicle? Naturally, that equipment will be out a lot that is what it's used for, Yes it will rust, yet it will be exposed to the weather a lot, but that is going to happen regardless, keep it lubed up and there will be no issues.
Leaving all your straps or ratchet's laying on the side of a bed tightened down or up by the headboard does not actually prove anything like it working any faster it just actually gives anybody an option to steal expensive straps that probably cost 152 $200 and a lot of guys use those 4-point tie down systems and have no idea that they're pulling the straps too low or Dare crimping brake lines or ABS sensors behind a tire cuz they're not paying attention with 43 years experience I think I probably know more than most people do
@@tinystowingtinyunis2957 Yes people can steal those straps, Just like they can steal anything else on the trucks or in the boxes with a simple crowbar, It does indeed make operation faster claiming it doesn't is just ignorance, I don't care how much experience you have, if you have 43 years experience you would know there is more than one way to do the job and it really come down to personal preference.
DO NOT follow this clowns instructions. He did not close the wrench on finishing the tie down, never mind the camera angle?
Hit like and subscribe
What wrench? Never used a wrench when strapping a vehicle down...
@@towuniverse2443 at 2:28 look and learn at the stupid upright position you left THE RATCHET in, UPRIGHT not closed.
YOU KNOW exactly what I mean Mr Pedantic. Grow up, you not as clever as you think, in fact your instruction is dangerous.
Take another look at the 'RATCHET ' left open, once again....you clown.
Again at 4:27, left upright...dangerous fooool. leave it closed . crank.
@@kevinprivet5942 merry christmas
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I'm not trying to be a dick, but the laws from state to state are different, so maybe try not lecturing people on your "pet peeves" and just do your training videos.
Just a suggestion!
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Dot is federal, fyi
@@towuniverse2443 Maybe, but not enforced!
Never once in 35 years have I been ticketed or even asked about my towing methods!
I tow for city, county & state and never heard word one about it!
And hey, to each is own...
You just come off as holier then thou and you did mention it was your pet peeve to see people not secure a vehicle the way you do!
Rock on, Brother & be safe out there!
Wrong bro.
If its wrong, please say how?
3:52. Strap on tire is wrong. if the tire goes flat or hit a big bump or take a turn to sharp you’re gonna lose tension on that baby j hook. Cross strap or go thru the rim. 4 point tie down in or out. That’s why the bed has so many holes in it. I also use 4 rubber chalk blocks when using soft straps. Front and back on both tires closest to the cab. Takes 10 seconds. I would like to come and show you in person a lot easier that way.
I can show you how to do it with the chains as well. You can keep tension on the chains not relying on the winch. It’s only illegal if you’re not doing it right.
thats 4 points not 8... to be an 8 point there would have to be 8 ratchets
😂😂😂😂 now you got me second guessing why they're called 8 point tie downs
Advertised as 8 point due to 8 points to the bed but legally it is a 4 point tie down, and no 8 ratchets would not make it an 8 point tie down as it would still only be 4 points on the car, it would have to be 4 more independent adjustable tie downs to be an 8 point system
Those 8 points are garbage. I've had cars wiggle out of them before and I'll trust a chain over a strap any day... You're relying on threads to hold the weight of a vehicle.... If that wish bone fails you lose 2 points of contact
Never have had one fail. I use them correctly.
@@towuniverse2443 I use them correctly as well. I've been towing for 10 years. Mainly tow heavy duty commercial trucks. I have a 50 ton Kenworth that's my main rig. I have used those 8 points before and you have to have them absolutely perfect of the car will slide... I haven't had one car slide with chains not 1 inch.
this is not safe ! I tried it better to use loops inside the rim Hundred percent much safer tie down inside the aluminum rim !! if we can’t tie down from the rim You can buy special S hooks you can use kind a holes under the car much faster never get loose !! and I’m doing this 21 years Experience matters !
Negative, this is a wreckmaster approved tie down system, when used properly it will not fail, going through the rim is also fine, and I have never seen a cluster strap or chain with an s hook on it that is just unheard of you have r hook t hook and j hook sounds to me like you have nowhere near 21 years experience if you are using s hooks, s hooks are what are on the tiny little ratchet straps from Walmart.