Thank you to everyone who took the time to thoughtfully and respectfully share their opinions with me! I'm sorry I couldn't get to them all, but I do hope you enjoy the video! :)
How long have you been studing the tarot? Curious because it's like you don't stop learning it's a constant process in finding meaning that comes within enterally. Been studying since my teens but recently i've been really digging into myself in finding what they mean without the research and i find that this is where you actually learn from experience or not use what the author felt that the meaning feels right for, but you will find that your meaning and theirs will be similar and close but not the absolute same if you're in tune with your deck...
@@KateyFlowers Nice..Would you know of an earlier deck before the Ryder Waite decks by chance? The reason I ask is because when i was younger my grandmother gave me a deck but they were missing cards or something because the deck didn't have 78 cards like the newer styles not unless there wasn't that many to start with and that it only came with 58 cards...But the deck I have never known the name of them and i've never seen them online but the backing was solid black with a thin Golden outlay on backing with a small like seal design in the middle of the cards for the color but more of a dark green tint but that could be just from fading but they all were like this and i was never able to ask her where they came from or who made them..If it helps they were given to me in the late 80's...
Touching on Anti-hauls, I sometimes find decks that I actually want to buy while watching some. Just because a deck doesn't resonate with one person (the video creator) doesn't mean that it won't resonate with their viewers!
NO! to censorship of anti haul or unfavorable book review videos in the pagan/magical community. Critical thinking, challenging popular opinion, embracing science should not be shunned.
My issue with anti-hauls is that I've seen some that are just mean! Calling a deck so ugly and why would anyone want that. It's their right to make whatever video they want, but I just don't get why someone would want to be a dick.
@@TaleRavenTarot I think saying that you find a deck unattractive is fine, attacking the creator or making fun of people is not ok. Theres definitely a line between critiquing a product vs being intentionally mean spirited.
Yesss! Critical thinking and discussion is so important for healthy, thriving communities! And I can definitely appreciate that, @Tale Raven Tarot. To me, the core issue there is someone being an arsehole rather than an inherent problem with anti-hauls! I think critical opinions are so important, but expressing those respectfully is also important, especially when it's around such subjective stuff like artistic preferences!
I personally wanna see more “dark” oracle and tarot decks. Decks that are blunt and honest, it’s nice to pull a card and have it say “ don’t worry dear everything’s all sunshine and rainbows” but sometimes I want a deck to call me out and say “ get over it, pick yourself up your not weak so go punch something”.
I enjoyed this so much! I didn't share it in your post seeking them, but I think my 'unpopular opinion' (and everyone who knows me knows it) is... tarot books *need* bibliographies. Unless you're writing a personal memoir of your journey with tarot or something, chances are you've been informed by other books / videos / blogs / sites / whatever in how you understand the cards, what you know of their history, reading techniques, etc. Credit where credit's due.
Honestly bibliographies are not things I really worried all that much about before... I liked when a book had one but I wasn’t too worried if it didn’t... but I definitely have shifted a lot since our book club and you and Cara in particular teaching me so much about the ethical importance of a bibliography, rather than it just being a purely practical thing! So thank you!
I have a symbol system for my tarot studying journal so I know the source of the information I am using. I never thought that the books I am reading aren't (or didn't do) doing the same. Thank you for highlighting this.
Such a good point. If I was writing a book I wouldn't know what ideas were mine and what came from someone else any more so I couldn't footnote specifics, but I could certainly include a bibliography of the books I'd read at the end, and you're right, it should be the norm.
@aquamarine18 @Katey Flowers This is very interesting to hear. And I am quite glad. I am a literary researcher and the thing all researchers take utmost care of is to cite the sources which is a way of both referring to them and acknowledging what we have taken from them. And it isn't limited to just academic research.
@@eggsorhens Agreed 100%; I'm in teaching, and I spend a lot of my time telling students about the utmost importance of citing for any research! So important.
Personally, I don't think every deck should or needs to include every identity or sexuality. I think it's ok to have decks created for specific groups of people. But I do think we need more decks catered towards those under represented groups. The big issue is that many creators either feel intimidated or afraid of creating such decks because they either have no experience with that group or because they're afraid of making a mistake. The best people to create decks catered to specific groups of people would be people from those groups because I think it's the inly way to have accurate representation.
LOVED this video. It was so great to hear different perspectives on all these issues. ;) On the matter of antihuals, I think I was the first person to start making anti-hauls about tarot/oracle deck purchases so I have an admittedly strong opinion. lol. With that said, my experience has been that a lot of my subscribers actually BUY The decks I antihaul because what doesn't resonate with me DOES resonate with them and my antihauls actually highlight these decks even though I'm not purchasing them, myself. I keep my anti-hauls respectful of the creators and have always encouraged others to do the same -- sure, sometimes there is critique about a deck but usually i'm not buying because I have something that I feel fills that 'niche' in my collection already. :D I totally agree with your feelings about content creation not being about promoting other people's stuff. Also I really agree that men/masculine presenting folk are very much under-represented in decks, particularly decks that focus on self-love and self-worth, which frustrates me because i know so many struggle in these areas... and while we've made some progress with body shape/size diversity (a very teensy tiny bit) in decks, I find that MOST Of the time masculine presenting folk are representing, they tend to be represented in a body-beautiful way, which - again - frustrating. YES the question is everything when it comes to getting an understandable reading/result. (omg longest commentttt)
Supportive tarot ,,,I love your anti hauls,,,,,,for exactly what you said,,,also ,,,,it helps keep in grounded in not going off buying decks silly hilly,,,,helps to keep my focus on what I really want ! You’re one of the best tarot channels out there along with Dani and Dustin ! And you guys are HONEST , that’s what I love about you guys honest and real !
I had the same thing with my Tarot Bingo video. Viewers are more than capable of making up their own minds about what decks they do and don't like, and so any awareness of a deck is generally an opportunity for someone who would love it to find it!
How about *learning* from decks in which you do not necessarily see yourself represented? I can relate to some of the images/descriptions in the Pride Tarot, for example, and I've learned from others. I think "diversity" in decks serves the purpose of "humanizing the other", as you say, and what I really value is gaining a new perspective. Diversity in decks should be genuine, not forced. Like when you see a carefully measured number of whatever in a deck, that's more offensive to me than having no diversity at all. There are many reasons to love the This Might Hurt tarot, for example, and one of the first things that struck me was how the creator speaks of this or that card image/meaning as being inspired by someone she knows. *That;s* genuine!
I totally agree that ticking boxes for the sake of it is not what we mean when we talk about representation. That's also part of what I meant when I added in the comment about representation that is fetishised, tokenistic, etc being not good enough. And sure, let's learn from all different kinds of representations... but given the current levels of diversity in tarot, that would require some groups to carry a whole lot of that 'learning' burden but white/cishet people not to do much at all!
If you are a human being, you are represented! They are archetypes, so not literal pages, knights etc. A bit of imaginative interpretation is required.
Awesome video! This was so interesting. The thoughts on diversity were fascinating in particular...I always find it very telling when as soon as there is a move away from overwhelmingly white cishet male representation in any art form there suddenly becomes an impression that white cishet males can no longer relate to the art, when people who aren’t white cishet males have had to find ways to relate to art that doesn’t represent them for the entirety of history! But yes, totally agree that representations of healthy masculinity are still lacking and needed everywhere! Thanks so much also for the comments on anti-hauls, especially how the idea that saying you’re not going to buy a deck “harms the creator.” You’re so right that it implies that the entire function of Tarottube is to market decks for people! And that idea I think is really bothersome, especially considering that SO much of Tarottube IS in fact unboxings and first impressions and other forms of free marketing (often done by people who have paid for those decks with their own money rather than being given them for review or anything like that). To take issue with a couple of people saying “yeah I’m not interested in this one because xyz” seems like a huge overreaction. And as far as this idea that you need to experience something in person before you can make a decision about it, not only are you totally right that we all have to make consumption decisions based on marketing all day every day, but tarot decks in particular are primarily a visual medium and it’s pretty easy to get a look at the art without owning it! I have a bit more sympathy for people who are bothered by a book being anti-hauled based on the cover....buuuut if I can watch fifty unboxings and flip throughs of a tarot deck and see all the art before buying, then my opinion on whether I want to buy that deck is pretty dang educated in comparison! Anyway, sorry for the novel length comment but I really enjoyed this video and loved how all the opinions were expressed in such a respectful way.
I absolutely love second hand decks and books. If there is a note card in them or something written on a page even better. I will never understand why people complain about things on channels such as not liking anti hauls or not liking reviews or whatever.... OMG just watch a different channel. TH-cam is like a TV, if you don't like a show then change the channel. More diversity in tarot/oracle is a must. I think if anything good can be said for 2020 so far is that there were more produced diverse decks than I've ever personally seen. I'm tired of decks that have women's boobs out. Sure it can represent self empowerment but I rarely see that actually achieved IMO and instead it just comes across negatively to me. We don't have to be naked to be powerful or beautiful or to be taken seriously, etc... Great video, enjoyed it.
Gosh. Every single time I watch your videos I think I like your channel even more. I just love how you communicate. I haven't pinned down why exactly, but the way you approach discussions always make so much sense. Obviously your content is dramatically different, but the way you discuss topics reminds me of Kat Blaque. I always appreciate your input and energy. 🖤💜
Your opinion on lgbt made me so happy. Its nice that you decide to talk about that. As a pan-guy it makes me so happy. Anyways I love your content. Its great. And also I really feel odly connected with the magician card with my sexuality. It just feels like me.
I appreciate how you approached this video. Oftentimes people use the "it's just my opinion" to justify hateful speech or to avoid accountability, but you definitely did not do that here. Well done!
Sometimes the only way I can acquire a particular deck is second hand. A good part of my collection is passed on decks. New or used, I cherish the decks with me. With a couple of exceptions, I've been pleased with my passed down purchases. ♥️ #staywell everyone.
This particular stigma is definitely cultural, if you come from a culture (like me) where "black magic" or "evil spirits" are a thing you're always told to be wary of second hand stuff from people who you don't personally know is a big no in general (even picking up trinkets from the streets) because you don't know the mindset of the previous owner and even if they did not intend to harm anyone with that object their negativity could still be passed on to you. As opposed to the current renaming of "second hand" as "pre loved" which assumes the previous owner was a perfect loving guardian of an object they're now allowing you to have it. Personally I'm still wary of were I draw the line between the two mindsets because sometimes second hand is the only way to get something I really want
Im always looking for second hand decks, the best card stock is vintage, the best fortune telling decks are also vintage and thats my favorite type of deck
Hector, thank you so much for sharing this! That is not a perspective I’d considered before. I really appreciate you taking the time to broaden my perspective today 😊
Totally agree with how undervalued the Artists are, same as the Songwriters. Need to find a way to recognize and value all the behind the scene creatives. ✌
Yes!!! We need to be more ok with hearing other opinions besides our own without hating and getting angry. When we can have safe discussion around different perspectives, we actually invite more change all around than when we shame, cancel, and thrust people out. Love it!!! 💛
I completely agree with you about the topic of representation. A diverse deck is meant for people who don't "fit the norm" in some way to be able to actually see themselves in at least one deck. And sure, maybe people who aren't part of the minorities represented in that deck will feel like it's not for them, and that's fine. But pointing it out like it's a bad thing does sound a bit entitled and it clearly comes from a place of privilege (although I can see that maybe it wasn't said with a bad intention). Because if you look at 100 decks and feel upset you aren't represented in 1 of them, think about how people who look at 100 decks and aren't represented in 99 of them feel (spoilers: usually not very cheerful). Also, and this is just my opinion, I actually feel more connected to a deck if some of the cards represent minorities I'm not a part of, mainly because I feel like they more accurately represent the world around me. The world isn't just cishet white thin able-bodied people, nor do I want it to be. Diversity is beautiful. Also, thank you Katey for being inclusive of trans people, I highly appreciate it!
I totally agree with you! Thanks for sharing :) And of course! I won't ever pretend to be the perfect ally, but I'm absolutely in support of trans rights and representation
I loved this so much! I loved the discussion and seeing how everyone f elt. Diversity in opinions is just as important as diversity of age, culture, race, sexuality, etc to me. I have two follow up thoughts: On affirmation decks: I started out with a more negative view on oracle and affirmation decks but as I grew and matured my opinions changed. For one thing, I have found that people who are drawn to affirmation decks tend to be people who haven't been affirmed in real life or haven't believed the affirmations. And being affirmed and confident is in a lot ways an essential door to personal transformation and spiritual growth. If you are trying to grow as a person, but don't believe in your self worth or if you are trying to make your life better but don't truly believe you deserve better, your efforts to grow are doomed before they begin. If you are trying to learn to deal with tower moments but don't truly think things can get better or that you have the power to change them, you are will drown in shadows before you can reach for the light. I have also found that people who are in difficult situations like depression, grief, chronic pain, etc look for affirmations deck because they are aware of just how many shadows the world can hold and they need the balance and reminder to look on the bright side. On predictive readings: I have always had premonitions and when I do weekly or daily readings, a decent amount of them become predictive. A lot of people I know in the community who do week, month or year ahead readings have had at least a few readings turn out to be predictive even if they didn't intend them too. It's something that just happens sometimes. I agree there are a lot of philosophical underpinnings to the subject but the bottom line is you can rhapsodize about the moon or a tree and it's place in the universe but that doesn't change the fact that it exists. And the same for predictive readings. Thanks as always for a lovely discussion and sorry for the novelesque response.
I totally agree with you, especially on affirmation decks. I did a video about 'nice washing' cards a while back which kinda touched on this, but you've said it really well here. And I really appreciate your input on predictive readings, as that is something I have less experience with. Thank you so much for contributing to this discussion! You always provide such thoughtful insights :)
Love this whole thing, but specifically, your friendly local non-binary tarottuber here to say thank you for pointing out the problems with advocating gender diversity in decks from a binary-only lens! I don't feel super represented in either super feminine or super masculine decks. I love decks like the Many Queens, though, where it's like "hey, let's look at a whole fucking range of queer gender!"
loved this video, Katey. well done. I will now give my two cents tee hee..... for me personally I think of my decks (Tarot and Oracle) as tools. We all have free will and honestly as I study, read, hear others' opinions this builds the knowledge in my mental file cabinet. As time goes on with this knowledge I feel as I utilize my tools that I am tapping into my subconscious hence my higher self because I am choosing to be open to suggestions or advice. I totally respect everyone's ideas and opinions as long as it's not hurting anyone. I truly enjoy a beautiful artistic deck and the efforts that are put into the descriptions, but it is a tool just like my phone, a map, a journal, a set of instructions, which TH-cam video to click, what to have for lunch... it's up to us to use, how to use, or not use information that is presented to us. From my HEART Love & Light to all. p.s. One of my favorite channels that I choose to watch
I agree with being overwhelmed by unboxings, first impressions, and pick a card readings, but they are "easier" than sharing knowledge on the tarot, which can also be very polarizing or vulnerable AND not that interesting to people who aren't looking to become a specific type of reader. I also like anti-hauls but some of the criticism saying it's spreading "negativity" made me scared to share some of the thoughts I have on my channel.
Totally.. I think that’s important for us to remember as viewers - we aren’t going to be the target audience of every video we come across! Those videos are meant for the people who want them!
This was fantastic. The thing I loved the most about this was when you said "...there is a big difference between what people share online, and what they do behind the scenes." This, 100000x this. Thank you.
That was such an interesting point about predictive readings. I myself have said the "oh I just use them for psycho spiritual work" line and it's not really true. I do do predictive readings but they are less palatable to sceptic friends and family. Until you said that I hadn't even realised I was doing that. Lol. Great video.
Yes! I actually thought about this when I went to make a video that was basically to explain my beliefs if a friend or family member happened to find my channel, and I realised by trying to make my use of tarot sound less 'crazy' I was basically just trying to differentiate myself from other readers. The whole 'I'm not like other girls' thing, but for tarot! Yikes! So I had a bit of work to do around that, for sure!
@@KateyFlowers Such a good way of putting it! I think that's a lot of what I was trying to say in my above comment. I say, keep tarot "crazy!" keep tarot eccentric! Keep tarot gritty and questionable and esoteric and all the 'weird' things that drew me to it in the first place!! I do use tarot for psycho spiritual work when I do my own readings, and I have no problem doing that. I read for others more divinitory and if I want a divinitory reading I am not good at doing those for myself. Crowley was an occultist and looked down on using tarot for "fortune telling" but Crowely didn't invent and doesn't own tarot. (and nobody found him particularly respectable, lol)
Thanks Katey! I enjoyed hearing your opinions (and disagreed with several of them!); it was wonderful. :-) Having missed the invitation to share unpopular opinions, I'll share here that most TH-cam videos are too long. I watch almost everything at 2x speed. And live videos are the absolute worst. (Oh! forgot to add: many of the stretch goals on Kickstarter decks actually make the deck *less* attractive to me.)
I love anti-hauls! And I may decide from an anti-haul that I LIKE the deck for the exact reason that someone else doesn't like it. When I go to Amazon, I love to read the low reviews of books and other items. I can tell if someone is giving a bad review because they have an ax to grind, or if they dislike the premise or they dislike it for reasons opposite to what I am looking for, or if they are pointing out genuine quality issues. So I think that negative reviews are important and helpful. and it doesn't mean because someone says "I don't like this," that I will just take that an decide not to like it either.
I loved this video Katey, thanks for sharing! 🥰 I was completely agreeing with so many of your opinions. I wanted to add my own unpopular (?) opinion on the topic of diversity, which is that most decks that do currently depict diverse abilities do so by "matching a disability to a card" or using a diverse ability to convey meaning, which just feels gross and stereotypical. For example, wheelchair users are often depicted as a King of Swords type intellectual figure. Or someone with a diverse ability is pictured on Strength because "all people with disabilities have to be strong" (not saying this isn't sometimes true, but generalizations like this can come across as condescending). I dont believe deck creators have these intentions but it still makes me uncomfortable when I see it. Just my 2 cents!! Sorry for the length of the comment :p
Yes yes yes! I think this falls into the tokenism problem. It reduces the representation to such a two dimensional thing that is often more offensive than omission. Disability rep I think suffers the worst from this and it's really disappointing. The Strength card in particular reminds me of Stella Young and her TedTalk about the dehumanisation and often condescension that happens when we frame disabled people as inspirations. We need to do better! Thank you for sharing.
@@KateyFlowers I am so sorry for saying your name incorrectly in my VR. Katey Powers is someone from my past. I also feel that doing this live was perhaps not the best choice as several of my opinions were incomplete or not in the appropriate context. Live and learn I suppose. I've never done a video like this before. I'm now taking the time to speak with those I upset . . . Oh Katey, you are so brave and do this so well!
My (apparently unpopular?) opinion is that I really like pick-a-card reading videos. They're part of what got me so interested in tarot in the first place, because they were almost always quite accurate. I am also in the camp that doesn't find divination necessarily unethical at all - I think it depends how you approach divination, and also how you talk to your querants. I see a reading as one possible future, and I remind people that the future is malleable, and so if you don't like your reading, you can change how things go. Actually, I think that's pretty empowering. Once you know about what might happen in the future, you can change it. (I've also personally done this after readings for myself - changed my own future, I mean. Sometimes not necessarily for the better, but we're human and we make mistakes.) I also make sure to have the best intentions for people - my ultimate goal, when I get ready for readings, is to help them. On the other hand, I understand that this is sometimes uncomfortable for people, and that cards can sometimes be really confronting, or the querants will hear things they don't want to hear, etc. As a reader, I see part of my role as helping to break this to a person gently, and making sure they know they have options, etc. I don't want to leave people worse off than they were when they started the reading, so I guess I do as much as I can to "cushion the fall". I see this as the difference between tact and blunt honesty. They are both TRUE, but one feels a lot less bad than the other, and doesn't get a person's defenses up nearly as much. Annnd apparently I've written a novel. Oh well. XD
Thank you for sharing! As someone who doesn't watch pick-a-card videos (I don't have anything against them, they're just not my thing) I was particularly curious to heard from someone who does!
I think flip-throughs are excellent to have access to. Sometimes I see a deck being discussed by practitoners that sounds great ...but unless I can see what all the cards in it look like, I'm taking quite a risk acquiring it blind. I have bought (then got rid of) more decks than I've ever used, because it turned out I just didn't like the cards when I actually got hold of them. Nobody has to watch flip-throughs if they don't want to, but I am quite grateful for their existence! It is good when the unboxing is done quickly, though. I'm not keen on watching somebody take 10 minutes to open a box and lift the cards out! I just want to see what the cards look like, with a bit of information about what else is included when you buy them. But many of these TH-cam unveilings makes too much of a meal of the process.
Yes yes yes to diversity, i am so upset when people call their decks diverse when they have 10 ppl who are not white straight men. The Unfolding Path Tarot has a really great representation of different people (race, skin tone, gender identity, sexual orientation, hair styles etc) in it.
My unpopular opinion is that I think there are a lot of people trying to legitimize and make tarot "respectable" and they have a lot of "rules" and ethical ideals that are very modern and goody-goody. Tarot has a rich history that includes being a tool of people who are often considered to be "low lifes" by the more respectable quarter. I feel like there is a move to "gentrify' tarot that kind of takes it away from the people who have a real historical inheritance to it. Also, by moving away from that, we are also placing that same judgement on those people. I also dislike the whole "tarot isn't the seedy, mysterious, blablabla thing that made you interested in tarot in the first place, let me reeducate you on how it's all about jungian archetypes and how it's blablabla...." I mean, I think most people get interested in tarot because of the representations they see that a lot of modern tarot readers all seem to want to disavow. I feel like cleaning it up too much makes it bland and boring. I prefer that tarot stay on the fringe and not just be some mainstream thing that has no... flavor. if that makes sense. I really really think people try to hard to gentrify it and rationalize it and so forth.
Thank you, Katy for the awesome discussion! I have a new TH-cam channel that is so far, just unboxing and a look at my deck collection. I’m only just over a year into my study of the Tarot and other metaphysical studies, and found those videos extremely useful to me as a newbie who is searching for something to resonate with after experiencing years of religious trauma (Mormonism). I started the channel to be something fun for me to do and to provide a service for people who were considering certain decks to purchase, with a good view of the cards. My channel is small and nothing fancy. I found your channel and some others that really helped me find some decks that I resonated with and because of good “unboxing” videos, I have made very few dud purchases. I would like to discuss other topics like, religious trauma, the sudden invisibility of women over 50, and other things I’ve got stewing in my brain, but because of fear, I’ve yet to show myself on camera. People can be very cruel and it’s not something I think I’m strong enough to brush off if something really nasty were to show up on my channel. Soooo...I keep it really safe. Another thing about diversity...the depiction of people o er 50 is very minimal. I understand that youthful beauty and energy is a powerful force to be reckoned with, but in the grand scheme of things, that is a very short period of one’s lifetime. It goes by exceedingly fast and span of one’s lifetime when they are regulated into the non-relevant invisibility chamber, is a longer chunk of life. Anyway, thank you for the discussion. I love your perspective!
That is totally fair, and I think it's great you're self-aware enough to know where those boundaries are for you right now. And I totally agree about ageism in tarot art as well! Thank you for bringing that one up!
I feel like anti-haul videos actually HELP sales to some extent. There are several decks I’ve added to my wishlist that I never would’ve known about if it weren’t for an anti-haul video. I respect the youtuber’s opinion and reasons why it might not be the best deck for them, but we all have different tastes. And what they might not be drawn to might be something I absolutely love lol as long as the video creator doesn’t put down deck creators or explicitly try to dissuade purchases, I think they can be very helpful in sharing decks that people might not be aware of.
Agree with so much of what you said. I'm new to the cards. My first oracle was bought in February and my second&third oracle + first tarot deck just came in yesterday. But I've been lurking in Tarot-Tube for a while. I just wanted to be *absolutely sure* about the decks I was buying before putting my money down (yet still managed to whimsey-buy the tarot deck when I didn't want to have to learn tarot in the first place), so... I especially agree about diversity. I'm tossing around ideas about making my own oracle deck with symbology and terminology and imagery that works for where I am right now in a way that most decks I have access to really, really don't. Like, most healing and self-care decks I've seen so far seem to be body-beautiful at best and a lot seem to worship the womb/motherhood/childbirth as a form of "connecting with the sacred feminine". For someone who is non-binary, wants to work with feminine and masculine (and neither, and both) energy, but never wants children and has endometriosis (so my uterus is a constant source of recurring trauma for me), the current decks on the market are mostly a no-go. Most of the decks I've been attracted to also don't cover the gamut of psychological states I want to explore (during shadow work or self-care for mental health) which is aI've About anti-hauls, I love them. And reading the comments section will show that they often *don't* negatively affect the sales margin because so many people will say that they are considering buying a deck in an anti-haul because the aspect of it that landed it in the anti category for the TH-camr are the exact aspects they, the commentator, were *looking* for in a deck. I dunno, I really like the way it can go both ways here: (1) "hey, I agree with you, this isn't my jam and I'm taking it off my wish list" - and (2) "wow, that deck you didn't like because of x, y, z is *exactly* what I've been looking for, thanks for sharing!" Also, the anti-haul can really be a starting point for being more mindful of mindless consumerism personally and starting that conversation in the community, which is good in and of itself.
I came across your videos a few weeks back, and kept “checking in” … but have to admit that this is the video that now has me subscribing. Thank you for your insight 🎈😊
As someone who learns best by watching others, pick a card readings really helped me when I first started out in tarot. Being able to watch people who were more familiar with tarot than I was talk about the meaning of the cards and the ways that they could relate to aspects of everyday life really helped me learn how to connect the meanings to the question I was reading on. It also really helped me find a method of reading that worked for me since every reader does their reading a little bit differently, so I didn't feel as much pressure to use methods that didn't work for me (like 'only read using celtic cross' or 'only read using past, present, future') that get recommended a lot in resources for beginners. That being said, it feels like they focus on only a couple of really limited topics and, personally, I don't really need or want a romance or career reading. I don't really know if people find that they get useful advice from pick a card readings, but I think they can be a really helpful tool for people who are just starting out.
This was so much fun, I found myself talking back to the screen a few times. When you read some of my stuff out loud, I realized that I don't entirely agree with myself and that I should have perhaps been more thoughtful with my words. So thank you! :-)
I haven't been watching much (or even filming) youtube of late, but I was so intrigued by this style of commentary and sharing. It was a really interesting, chilled video and a great reminder of diversity in the community and therefore, beliefs, ways of utilising tarot, culture, experience, our lenses, etc.
Thank you for this video! TH-cam is a wonderful place to view so many different people and ideas. Of course we don’t always agree with every view point but we have the freedom to choose what fits with us personally.👍🤗
Just found this. Loved it. My unpopular opinion would be that I am tired of seeing pregnant women depicted as being creative. Hello! SO many more ways of a woman being creative, thank you. Agreed, in part, with the last opinion you tackled. As a Wiccan, it disturbs me that more and more tarot is going mainstream and called a "game." When I do tarot, I am channeling gods, ancestors, guides (though perhaps that is the Medium in me, as well as the Witch, who knows?). I do agree with you on reversals (I may try them someday, but right now, I don't wish to). I am big on Ancestor decks, and also...I do love Oracle cards. There is just something about them that appeals to me. The biggest unpopular opinion I think I have is that...the Rider Waite Smith deck does nothing for me. Big snooze. Boredom city! I do get that it is a great "starter deck", but it is just so bland and one-note. Had to laugh at the outrage of so many decks being all women. Enter a time machine and become a child of the 1960's, when everything was about men. Sorry, don't care. Well...enough rambling...except to say that I would love to see someone like myself reflected in a tarot card, but I don't know how you would depict a bisexual ASD (Aspie, which apparently you can't say anymore) witch. LOL Thanks so much for this, and I am so glad I found your channel!
Oh man, I recognize myself in the last one, but with runes. 😂 Granted, for me it's more... I'm not sure you can understand them deeply if you haven't spent a lot of time at the ends of the world? How Issa is more than just ice and structure - It's eight months of darkness, carefully walking over a lake, painstakingly making sure you don't waste neither time nor resources in winter. Or the pure joy and elation in the sun rune Sunna, when the ice finally melts. But I'm also aware it's quite gatekeeping of me. So I'm thinking about it a lot, to figure out why I feel this way and how to change my perspective. And I've realized it has a lot to do with Nazis appropriating the runes... Not tarot, but I hope that's okay!
Regarding redrawing for a given question: I say Yes! I am a beginner, and I notice that some of the cards that come out or jump off of my deck while shuffling can answer a line of thought that I followed rather than say focussed on my question, or related to what was happening in the room, etc. Sometimes, I'm just not concentrated enough. So although it is not an officially accepted way of practicing, I believe we shouldn't push ourselves beyond what we are capable of. Accept what we are, do, and not be judgemental about our practices, as long as they are authentic and done with integrity. Plus, when a card doesn't ring a bell to me, when at the end of the day it didn't get related with anything that happened, I just discard it. Full stop. Thank you for answering that point brought up by that YTer. Tough one!
My unpopular opinion was that I love borders. But after hearing Katey's views on that, I do realize that I don't actually love all borders. Black ones irk me especially. And I also don't like borders on cards that are already quite large. Like Druid craft. I have tiny hands. I could do away with them.
I share your unpopular opinion! I like borderless too but there are decks whose borders I love and I feel like they really add something! For pathworking meditation, it's a frame to step through as well.
@@aquamarine18 That is an interesting insight regarding pathworking meditation. What do you feel about borders that are too wide? Do you trim them? I end up keeping them regardless of their colour or size because I am simply incapable of trimming. Would do a messy job. Plus, I do not like to alter my cards. So I usually don't buy a deck if anything about it is not visually appealing.
Katey Flowers I meant to ask in my original comment... do you happen to be Libra by any chance? That’s one thing I kept thinking while watching your responses. As a Libra myself “I could go either way...” is a statement that 💯 resonates 😂
Really enjoyed this video and hearing the opinions of others and yours as well. So much to chew on! I definitely agree with diversity topic and I do hope to see more decks that are more inclusive.
This was fantastic, fun, and thoughtfully conveyed! Yas to all of this-esp on matters of diversity and anti-hauls! You’re doing a part 2, right? 😆😉 We. Want. More. 🙌🏼
Haha I wasn't planning on it, but I admit I was surprised by how well this video has been received! So it looks like we might have to have another go sometime soon! :)
I tend to re-roll pulling cards for people when I get a negative message for them (I do online readings which is why I do this). I'm new at Tarot and sometimes I notice that my pessimism and anxiety tend to coat the message sometimes so I always want to make sure and it gives me more time to ponder on the message
So interesting to hear folx’ s opinions and yours, too! Yes yes yes to more inclusivity in decks! I’ll never stop talking about this!!! And I’m so glad you brought it up here several times. It’s really important !
Love this content. I enjoy that comment about the oracles making everything okay and that we're so fabulous. I think happy, supportive oracles have become so popular because there is a great need for something like that for a while now.
I like unboxings that do "first impressions" and give a point of view on the deck. I used to do them on all my new decks as an easier way (rather than writing down) my own first impressions.
Great discussion. I'm in a place where I'm not really sure where I land on a lot of these topics, so it's interesting to hear different perspectives and notice which ones "ping" for me and which ones don't.
I have the vindur deck and it is more gender neutral than most decks I’ve seen. It’s also watercolor and a lot of line work if anyone is interested in that type of art.
Oooh first but also love the video always a fan of unpopular opinion type stuff. Interesting to see what the variance is in the community Edit: spelling
Adding another comment to respond to the stuff you added to your comment :) I have to admit, I really struggle with that idea... the anima and animus aren't literal, scientific things, they are constructs, ways for us to talk about and think about things. That's the same with gender. A man and a woman is one, obvious and simple way of depicting that, but it's not the only way.
It’s refreshing to hear you open a dialogue with your viewers for respectful discussion of 'unpopular' opinions. Often, these topics are taboo because it is scary voicing an opinion that is not the popular one. For me, it's not about agreement, but about tolerance for where everyone fits in this community. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about each of these diverse topics.
Girlllll. I was hands raised pswaying from side to side during this video! So many times outloud I said YASSSSSSSS while cooking my bfast and listening to you. i loved this.
@@KateyFlowers Ok but yes but here also were so many times you DID clearly state an opinion! Just the way you approached talking about things was SUPER.
You were my first tarot channel I subscribed to (Dec 2019) and I love your honesty. Well done Katey. Second hand decks are coming to you... not you looking for it. I have 10 decks and not a one is RWS.
Loved your thoughts on these Katey - especially about diversity and the anti-haul thing! 👏 not as important or interesting as many of these topics but I think my unpopular opinion is that I don't love matte decks SOOOOO much more than glossy decks like a lot of people seem to. I understand the opinion especially with the glare you get on some glossy decks but the matte decks I have I actually find to be so much harder to shuffle that the slightly slippier ones! 😂 Xx
Thank you for making this video Katey! I know I'm late (I've just stumbled on it) but I really enjoyed your candor and how you presented your opinions. I do not have anybody around me who is into tarot so it was nice to sit with a cup of coffee and listen to you.😊
Wow! Katey,I had no idea that I'd share so many of these unpopular opinions. Thanks for sharing this. In the discussion on diversity, I wonder how we manage it in rising above tokenism where only a few cards are sprinkled throughout the deck and how we determine which archetype gets which representation. That's one element involved in why I created my own Open Face Tarot, in which all archetypes are based on the same character, The Fool, which, in my deck has no hue, no gender, no age, no body type....it's more like an alien or a baby, a blank slate, before we become aware of all those distinctions. You can have a glance at it here: www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/marketplace/the-open-face-tarot-labels-purple-bag.html. But, then, I tend to read according to an action or activity represented, more than the character that's performing that action.
I view tarot in a more “psychological” manner. The person I’m reading is just using their untapped mind when picking cards, its their mind showing them what they need to hear the only time it gets “spiritual” for me is when I’m ask for advice from spirit,looking into the future, synchronicities occur, and cards pop up
As I am watching this, there are "1,111 views". Doorways, openings.... as per numerology. Aside from that, I appreciate that you cover ethics and diversity. Also glad that you are bringing these topics to your yt channel because I am not much into IG yet or other media.
Such an interesting and fun video! There are so many things to think about in tarot, so I really appreciate hearing people's different opinions and your reactions!
I don’t follow a certain spread when I shuffle and pull cards. I ask a question and I pull as little as two or three cards, sometimes more if I want more clarity on the situation. I don’t follow past present future spread either. I just pull what I feel will give me enough info I need. I use what works best for me.
I just adore you and all of your content! TH-cam can be a truly wonderful place if you use it right. I love that viewers were so gosh darn great in sending their unpopular opinions, and your responses match pretty well with with my feelings. You are an easy favorite of mine! 🌈🌞
I support having different decks for different people, so the diversity thing doesn't bother me, although I've always felt that both genders were fairly well represented in the Tarot. I could just be ignorant about that subject though. I do actually believe RWS is the most accessible tradition, but I am interested in one day branching out and trying different types of decks.
i agree with the second-hand decks they seem like they hold yes lessons from before us and more energy comes into play not unless you use sage to completely clear your decks, my preference is palo santo.
I didn't know about the Naked Heart Tarot. That's beautiful. I love the Wild Unknown butttttt I don't really think of it as an "animal deck." To me, I think of an animal deck as one where the deck is mainly about the "meaning" of the animal itself, and I don't see or read the wild unknown that way. (Perhaps in the court cards to some extent)
The Lost Hollow deck on etsy (and probably the creators other decks) has an insane amount of diversity. There are differently abled bodies, there are androgynous people and people of different sexes in the court cards, different skin tones, etc
I do have qualms about divination for the same reasons I don't like psychic mediums. It's not simply because I don't share their belief, but more that I view it as potentially exploitation. You said that if people are of their right mind then it's their free choice. That sounds fair enough at face value. However, how do you make that decision? With mediums it concerns me that many clients are grieving over lost loved ones and perhaps their judgement is impaired. Similarly if someone is in crisis and rather than using Tarot as a reflection and contemplative tool they're asking "What will happen?" then there is the danger of taking choice away from them by giving the message "this is what the cards say". Of course, the other side of this is that if someone goes to a medium and gets some comfort from believing their dead loved ones are happy and looking over them, it's perhaps not a wholly bad thing in itself. Ditto for a card reading. I do feel the ethics are a minefield and not just for charlatans but for people who have good intentions also.
Interesting to hear so many different takes on so many different aspects of tarot! I also love how you are so respectful of everyone's opinions and you inspire me to try harder. :P I've just thought of one of my tarot opinions: I can't stand when decks put Strength as 11 and Justice as 8! However I do respect that that's just how some people do it. It just drives me nuts personally. :P
Haha I'm always working on it, too, don't you worry! :P And I definitely prefer Strength as 8 and Justice as 11, too, mostly because that is what I'm used to, but I get why some people prefer reverting to the original order. I think decks that just don't number the majors are a great work around for this!
I love this video. I didnt star with RWS but i start learning better when i study it. Is like base meanings, bit i add all of the different aspect of different decks i have .
I have one tarot deck, which was gifted to me, then i bought one oracle card deck. Those are good enough for me, i highly doubt i would ever get more. The 2 take a lot of psychic energy out of me to sustain, and i would rather have them be well-maintained by my energy than have a ton of decks that cant receive enough and therefore be almost inert. To each their own, but i am satisfied with my humble collection 🥰✌️
I really loved this discussion! Since you were discussing diverse decks and the need for more of them, I'd like to recommend the Numinous Tarot by Noel Arthur Hempel. It doesn't use gendered titles for any of the cards, has a wide variety of ethnicities, gender presentations, and people of different sizes; even has a handful of differently abled folks and has a polyamory-friendly Lovers card. :)
Finding it interesting for someone to separate spiritual world readings from "every day" world readings. We are all spiritual beings of energy living in physical bodies. The more we face and heal our spiritual selves our lives on the physical realm are thus being healed. IMHO. Most of all let's recognize tarot is whatever we choose it to be and as long as it's not being used for harm then let's all work on stopping judgement.. of ourselves and of all others. May we all remember that ultimately it's FUN. 🙏💖
So I kind of love anti haul videos, because I learn about decks I may not have heard of. I've bought a few decks featured in anti haul and love them. I'm not gonna not buy a deck because someone else doesn't like it. :D On the content issue, I'm trying to expand my content past flip throughs and try do more about using the tarot or learning about tarot. It does take longer to make these videos.
Thank you to everyone who took the time to thoughtfully and respectfully share their opinions with me! I'm sorry I couldn't get to them all, but I do hope you enjoy the video! :)
How long have you been studing the tarot? Curious because it's like you don't stop learning it's a constant process in finding meaning that comes within enterally. Been studying since my teens but recently i've been really digging into myself in finding what they mean without the research and i find that this is where you actually learn from experience or not use what the author felt that the meaning feels right for, but you will find that your meaning and theirs will be similar and close but not the absolute same if you're in tune with your deck...
Hi Kayla, I got my first deck when I was 14/15, but I have been using and studying tarot consistently since about 2014 I think :)
@@KateyFlowers Nice..Would you know of an earlier deck before the Ryder Waite decks by chance? The reason I ask is because when i was younger my grandmother gave me a deck but they were missing cards or something because the deck didn't have 78 cards like the newer styles not unless there wasn't that many to start with and that it only came with 58 cards...But the deck I have never known the name of them and i've never seen them online but the backing was solid black with a thin Golden outlay on backing with a small like seal design in the middle of the cards for the color but more of a dark green tint but that could be just from fading but they all were like this and i was never able to ask her where they came from or who made them..If it helps they were given to me in the late 80's...
Thanks for hi lighting Respect in our comments and discussions. 💖🙏
Katey Flowers loved it! Thank you!
Touching on Anti-hauls, I sometimes find decks that I actually want to buy while watching some. Just because a deck doesn't resonate with one person (the video creator) doesn't mean that it won't resonate with their viewers!
NO! to censorship of anti haul or unfavorable book review videos in the pagan/magical community. Critical thinking, challenging popular opinion, embracing science should not be shunned.
My issue with anti-hauls is that I've seen some that are just mean! Calling a deck so ugly and why would anyone want that. It's their right to make whatever video they want, but I just don't get why someone would want to be a dick.
@@TaleRavenTarot I think saying that you find a deck unattractive is fine, attacking the creator or making fun of people is not ok. Theres definitely a line between critiquing a product vs being intentionally mean spirited.
Yesss! Critical thinking and discussion is so important for healthy, thriving communities!
And I can definitely appreciate that, @Tale Raven Tarot. To me, the core issue there is someone being an arsehole rather than an inherent problem with anti-hauls! I think critical opinions are so important, but expressing those respectfully is also important, especially when it's around such subjective stuff like artistic preferences!
@@KateyFlowers That's a great point, and an important distinction. I just don't like assholes! 🤣
I personally wanna see more “dark” oracle and tarot decks. Decks that are blunt and honest, it’s nice to pull a card and have it say “ don’t worry dear everything’s all sunshine and rainbows” but sometimes I want a deck to call me out and say “ get over it, pick yourself up your not weak so go punch something”.
I enjoyed this so much!
I didn't share it in your post seeking them, but I think my 'unpopular opinion' (and everyone who knows me knows it) is... tarot books *need* bibliographies. Unless you're writing a personal memoir of your journey with tarot or something, chances are you've been informed by other books / videos / blogs / sites / whatever in how you understand the cards, what you know of their history, reading techniques, etc. Credit where credit's due.
Honestly bibliographies are not things I really worried all that much about before... I liked when a book had one but I wasn’t too worried if it didn’t... but I definitely have shifted a lot since our book club and you and Cara in particular teaching me so much about the ethical importance of a bibliography, rather than it just being a purely practical thing! So thank you!
I have a symbol system for my tarot studying journal so I know the source of the information I am using. I never thought that the books I am reading aren't (or didn't do) doing the same. Thank you for highlighting this.
Such a good point. If I was writing a book I wouldn't know what ideas were mine and what came from someone else any more so I couldn't footnote specifics, but I could certainly include a bibliography of the books I'd read at the end, and you're right, it should be the norm.
@aquamarine18 @Katey Flowers This is very interesting to hear. And I am quite glad. I am a literary researcher and the thing all researchers take utmost care of is to cite the sources which is a way of both referring to them and acknowledging what we have taken from them. And it isn't limited to just academic research.
@@eggsorhens Agreed 100%; I'm in teaching, and I spend a lot of my time telling students about the utmost importance of citing for any research! So important.
Personally, I don't think every deck should or needs to include every identity or sexuality. I think it's ok to have decks created for specific groups of people. But I do think we need more decks catered towards those under represented groups. The big issue is that many creators either feel intimidated or afraid of creating such decks because they either have no experience with that group or because they're afraid of making a mistake. The best people to create decks catered to specific groups of people would be people from those groups because I think it's the inly way to have accurate representation.
LOVED this video. It was so great to hear different perspectives on all these issues. ;) On the matter of antihuals, I think I was the first person to start making anti-hauls about tarot/oracle deck purchases so I have an admittedly strong opinion. lol. With that said, my experience has been that a lot of my subscribers actually BUY The decks I antihaul because what doesn't resonate with me DOES resonate with them and my antihauls actually highlight these decks even though I'm not purchasing them, myself. I keep my anti-hauls respectful of the creators and have always encouraged others to do the same -- sure, sometimes there is critique about a deck but usually i'm not buying because I have something that I feel fills that 'niche' in my collection already. :D I totally agree with your feelings about content creation not being about promoting other people's stuff. Also I really agree that men/masculine presenting folk are very much under-represented in decks, particularly decks that focus on self-love and self-worth, which frustrates me because i know so many struggle in these areas... and while we've made some progress with body shape/size diversity (a very teensy tiny bit) in decks, I find that MOST Of the time masculine presenting folk are representing, they tend to be represented in a body-beautiful way, which - again - frustrating. YES the question is everything when it comes to getting an understandable reading/result. (omg longest commentttt)
Supportive tarot ,,,I love your anti hauls,,,,,,for exactly what you said,,,also ,,,,it helps keep in grounded in not going off buying decks silly hilly,,,,helps to keep my focus on what I really want ! You’re one of the best tarot channels out there along with Dani and Dustin ! And you guys are HONEST , that’s what I love about you guys honest and real !
I had the same thing with my Tarot Bingo video. Viewers are more than capable of making up their own minds about what decks they do and don't like, and so any awareness of a deck is generally an opportunity for someone who would love it to find it!
Your anti-hauls I love and are respectful. I love your anti-hauls. I've seen others do them in a disrespectful way, and I don't like it.
How about *learning* from decks in which you do not necessarily see yourself represented? I can relate to some of the images/descriptions in the Pride Tarot, for example, and I've learned from others. I think "diversity" in decks serves the purpose of "humanizing the other", as you say, and what I really value is gaining a new perspective. Diversity in decks should be genuine, not forced. Like when you see a carefully measured number of whatever in a deck, that's more offensive to me than having no diversity at all. There are many reasons to love the This Might Hurt tarot, for example, and one of the first things that struck me was how the creator speaks of this or that card image/meaning as being inspired by someone she knows. *That;s* genuine!
I totally agree that ticking boxes for the sake of it is not what we mean when we talk about representation. That's also part of what I meant when I added in the comment about representation that is fetishised, tokenistic, etc being not good enough. And sure, let's learn from all different kinds of representations... but given the current levels of diversity in tarot, that would require some groups to carry a whole lot of that 'learning' burden but white/cishet people not to do much at all!
If you are a human being, you are represented! They are archetypes, so not literal pages, knights etc. A bit of imaginative interpretation is required.
I hit the LIKE button so hard when you brought up gender essentialism and the need for trans representation.
Yesssss!
Awesome video! This was so interesting. The thoughts on diversity were fascinating in particular...I always find it very telling when as soon as there is a move away from overwhelmingly white cishet male representation in any art form there suddenly becomes an impression that white cishet males can no longer relate to the art, when people who aren’t white cishet males have had to find ways to relate to art that doesn’t represent them for the entirety of history! But yes, totally agree that representations of healthy masculinity are still lacking and needed everywhere! Thanks so much also for the comments on anti-hauls, especially how the idea that saying you’re not going to buy a deck “harms the creator.” You’re so right that it implies that the entire function of Tarottube is to market decks for people! And that idea I think is really bothersome, especially considering that SO much of Tarottube IS in fact unboxings and first impressions and other forms of free marketing (often done by people who have paid for those decks with their own money rather than being given them for review or anything like that). To take issue with a couple of people saying “yeah I’m not interested in this one because xyz” seems like a huge overreaction. And as far as this idea that you need to experience something in person before you can make a decision about it, not only are you totally right that we all have to make consumption decisions based on marketing all day every day, but tarot decks in particular are primarily a visual medium and it’s pretty easy to get a look at the art without owning it! I have a bit more sympathy for people who are bothered by a book being anti-hauled based on the cover....buuuut if I can watch fifty unboxings and flip throughs of a tarot deck and see all the art before buying, then my opinion on whether I want to buy that deck is pretty dang educated in comparison! Anyway, sorry for the novel length comment but I really enjoyed this video and loved how all the opinions were expressed in such a respectful way.
Yessss you said all of this so well! Thank you!
I absolutely love second hand decks and books. If there is a note card in them or something written on a page even better. I will never understand why people complain about things on channels such as not liking anti hauls or not liking reviews or whatever.... OMG just watch a different channel. TH-cam is like a TV, if you don't like a show then change the channel. More diversity in tarot/oracle is a must. I think if anything good can be said for 2020 so far is that there were more produced diverse decks than I've ever personally seen. I'm tired of decks that have women's boobs out. Sure it can represent self empowerment but I rarely see that actually achieved IMO and instead it just comes across negatively to me. We don't have to be naked to be powerful or beautiful or to be taken seriously, etc... Great video, enjoyed it.
Gosh. Every single time I watch your videos I think I like your channel even more. I just love how you communicate. I haven't pinned down why exactly, but the way you approach discussions always make so much sense. Obviously your content is dramatically different, but the way you discuss topics reminds me of Kat Blaque. I always appreciate your input and energy. 🖤💜
Your opinion on lgbt made me so happy. Its nice that you decide to talk about that. As a pan-guy it makes me so happy.
Anyways I love your content. Its great. And also I really feel odly connected with the magician card with my sexuality.
It just feels like me.
I appreciate how you approached this video. Oftentimes people use the "it's just my opinion" to justify hateful speech or to avoid accountability, but you definitely did not do that here. Well done!
In diversity I miss age a lot...
Absolutely, that is another important point I neglected to mention. Thank you for the reminder!
I didn't know there was a stigma on second hand decks... almost all my decks are second hand :P
Me too! I love second hand decks!
Sometimes the only way I can acquire a particular deck is second hand. A good part of my collection is passed on decks. New or used, I cherish the decks with me. With a couple of exceptions, I've been pleased with my passed down purchases.
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#staywell everyone.
This particular stigma is definitely cultural, if you come from a culture (like me) where "black magic" or "evil spirits" are a thing you're always told to be wary of second hand stuff from people who you don't personally know is a big no in general (even picking up trinkets from the streets) because you don't know the mindset of the previous owner and even if they did not intend to harm anyone with that object their negativity could still be passed on to you.
As opposed to the current renaming of "second hand" as "pre loved" which assumes the previous owner was a perfect loving guardian of an object they're now allowing you to have it.
Personally I'm still wary of were I draw the line between the two mindsets because sometimes second hand is the only way to get something I really want
Im always looking for second hand decks, the best card stock is vintage, the best fortune telling decks are also vintage and thats my favorite type of deck
Hector, thank you so much for sharing this! That is not a perspective I’d considered before. I really appreciate you taking the time to broaden my perspective today 😊
Loved how I disagreed with a bunch of opinions here and still enjoyed hearing about each one of it.
Yessss!!
Yes, Agree to disagree🙏
Totally agree with how undervalued the Artists are, same as the Songwriters. Need to find a way to recognize and value all the behind the scene creatives. ✌
Yes!!! We need to be more ok with hearing other opinions besides our own without hating and getting angry. When we can have safe discussion around different perspectives, we actually invite more change all around than when we shame, cancel, and thrust people out. Love it!!! 💛
I completely agree with you about the topic of representation. A diverse deck is meant for people who don't "fit the norm" in some way to be able to actually see themselves in at least one deck. And sure, maybe people who aren't part of the minorities represented in that deck will feel like it's not for them, and that's fine. But pointing it out like it's a bad thing does sound a bit entitled and it clearly comes from a place of privilege (although I can see that maybe it wasn't said with a bad intention). Because if you look at 100 decks and feel upset you aren't represented in 1 of them, think about how people who look at 100 decks and aren't represented in 99 of them feel (spoilers: usually not very cheerful).
Also, and this is just my opinion, I actually feel more connected to a deck if some of the cards represent minorities I'm not a part of, mainly because I feel like they more accurately represent the world around me. The world isn't just cishet white thin able-bodied people, nor do I want it to be. Diversity is beautiful.
Also, thank you Katey for being inclusive of trans people, I highly appreciate it!
I totally agree with you! Thanks for sharing :) And of course! I won't ever pretend to be the perfect ally, but I'm absolutely in support of trans rights and representation
It is videos like these that make Tarot tube more interesting! Yes to stretching dialogue of Tarot! Thank you 😘
Thanks so much! :)
I loved this so much! I loved the discussion and seeing how everyone f elt. Diversity in opinions is just as important as diversity of age, culture, race, sexuality, etc to me. I have two follow up thoughts:
On affirmation decks: I started out with a more negative view on oracle and affirmation decks but as I grew and matured my opinions changed. For one thing, I have found that people who are drawn to affirmation decks tend to be people who haven't been affirmed in real life or haven't believed the affirmations. And being affirmed and confident is in a lot ways an essential door to personal transformation and spiritual growth. If you are trying to grow as a person, but don't believe in your self worth or if you are trying to make your life better but don't truly believe you deserve better, your efforts to grow are doomed before they begin. If you are trying to learn to deal with tower moments but don't truly think things can get better or that you have the power to change them, you are will drown in shadows before you can reach for the light. I have also found that people who are in difficult situations like depression, grief, chronic pain, etc look for affirmations deck because they are aware of just how many shadows the world can hold and they need the balance and reminder to look on the bright side.
On predictive readings: I have always had premonitions and when I do weekly or daily readings, a decent amount of them become predictive. A lot of people I know in the community who do week, month or year ahead readings have had at least a few readings turn out to be predictive even if they didn't intend them too. It's something that just happens sometimes. I agree there are a lot of philosophical underpinnings to the subject but the bottom line is you can rhapsodize about the moon or a tree and it's place in the universe but that doesn't change the fact that it exists. And the same for predictive readings. Thanks as always for a lovely discussion and sorry for the novelesque response.
I totally agree with you, especially on affirmation decks. I did a video about 'nice washing' cards a while back which kinda touched on this, but you've said it really well here. And I really appreciate your input on predictive readings, as that is something I have less experience with. Thank you so much for contributing to this discussion! You always provide such thoughtful insights :)
To bards lament. Are you coming back to you tube ? I hope so
@@HONEYCOMB111 I am! I am hoping to film a video on my experiences with premonitions and future readings in the next week
Love this whole thing, but specifically, your friendly local non-binary tarottuber here to say thank you for pointing out the problems with advocating gender diversity in decks from a binary-only lens! I don't feel super represented in either super feminine or super masculine decks. I love decks like the Many Queens, though, where it's like "hey, let's look at a whole fucking range of queer gender!"
loved this video, Katey. well done. I will now give my two cents tee hee..... for me personally I think of my decks (Tarot and Oracle) as tools. We all have free will and honestly as I study, read, hear others' opinions this builds the knowledge in my mental file cabinet. As time goes on with this knowledge I feel as I utilize my tools that I am tapping into my subconscious hence my higher self because I am choosing to be open to suggestions or advice. I totally respect everyone's ideas and opinions as long as it's not hurting anyone. I truly enjoy a beautiful artistic deck and the efforts that are put into the descriptions, but it is a tool just like my phone, a map, a journal, a set of instructions, which TH-cam video to click, what to have for lunch... it's up to us to use, how to use, or not use information that is presented to us. From my HEART Love & Light to all. p.s. One of my favorite channels that I choose to watch
"it's up to us to use, how to use, or not use information that is presented to us" - absolutely! Thanks so much Halie :) x
My thoughts exactly! Couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank you for putting my thoughts into words 😉🙃
I agree with being overwhelmed by unboxings, first impressions, and pick a card readings, but they are "easier" than sharing knowledge on the tarot, which can also be very polarizing or vulnerable AND not that interesting to people who aren't looking to become a specific type of reader. I also like anti-hauls but some of the criticism saying it's spreading "negativity" made me scared to share some of the thoughts I have on my channel.
Totally.. I think that’s important for us to remember as viewers - we aren’t going to be the target audience of every video we come across! Those videos are meant for the people who want them!
anti hauls are great! I hope you will do them
This was fantastic. The thing I loved the most about this was when you said "...there is a big difference between what people share online, and what they do behind the scenes." This, 100000x this. Thank you.
That was such an interesting point about predictive readings. I myself have said the "oh I just use them for psycho spiritual work" line and it's not really true. I do do predictive readings but they are less palatable to sceptic friends and family. Until you said that I hadn't even realised I was doing that. Lol. Great video.
Yes! I actually thought about this when I went to make a video that was basically to explain my beliefs if a friend or family member happened to find my channel, and I realised by trying to make my use of tarot sound less 'crazy' I was basically just trying to differentiate myself from other readers. The whole 'I'm not like other girls' thing, but for tarot! Yikes! So I had a bit of work to do around that, for sure!
@@KateyFlowers Such a good way of putting it! I think that's a lot of what I was trying to say in my above comment. I say, keep tarot "crazy!" keep tarot eccentric! Keep tarot gritty and questionable and esoteric and all the 'weird' things that drew me to it in the first place!! I do use tarot for psycho spiritual work when I do my own readings, and I have no problem doing that. I read for others more divinitory and if I want a divinitory reading I am not good at doing those for myself. Crowley was an occultist and looked down on using tarot for "fortune telling" but Crowely didn't invent and doesn't own tarot. (and nobody found him particularly respectable, lol)
Thanks Katey! I enjoyed hearing your opinions (and disagreed with several of them!); it was wonderful. :-) Having missed the invitation to share unpopular opinions, I'll share here that most TH-cam videos are too long. I watch almost everything at 2x speed. And live videos are the absolute worst. (Oh! forgot to add: many of the stretch goals on Kickstarter decks actually make the deck *less* attractive to me.)
Wonderful! And yes, I love the speed up option on videos, too! :D
@Common Hawthorn I agree re: Kickstarter stretch goals sometimes - I feel like it's about 50/50 for me.
I love anti-hauls! And I may decide from an anti-haul that I LIKE the deck for the exact reason that someone else doesn't like it. When I go to Amazon, I love to read the low reviews of books and other items. I can tell if someone is giving a bad review because they have an ax to grind, or if they dislike the premise or they dislike it for reasons opposite to what I am looking for, or if they are pointing out genuine quality issues. So I think that negative reviews are important and helpful. and it doesn't mean because someone says "I don't like this," that I will just take that an decide not to like it either.
I loved this video Katey, thanks for sharing! 🥰 I was completely agreeing with so many of your opinions.
I wanted to add my own unpopular (?) opinion on the topic of diversity, which is that most decks that do currently depict diverse abilities do so by "matching a disability to a card" or using a diverse ability to convey meaning, which just feels gross and stereotypical. For example, wheelchair users are often depicted as a King of Swords type intellectual figure. Or someone with a diverse ability is pictured on Strength because "all people with disabilities have to be strong" (not saying this isn't sometimes true, but generalizations like this can come across as condescending). I dont believe deck creators have these intentions but it still makes me uncomfortable when I see it. Just my 2 cents!! Sorry for the length of the comment :p
Yes yes yes! I think this falls into the tokenism problem. It reduces the representation to such a two dimensional thing that is often more offensive than omission. Disability rep I think suffers the worst from this and it's really disappointing. The Strength card in particular reminds me of Stella Young and her TedTalk about the dehumanisation and often condescension that happens when we frame disabled people as inspirations. We need to do better! Thank you for sharing.
Can’t wait to do a VR to this Katey! You touched on so many valid points. Thank you!
Oooh fabulous! I can’t wait to see it!
@@KateyFlowers I am so sorry for saying your name incorrectly in my VR. Katey Powers is someone from my past. I also feel that doing this live was perhaps not the best choice as several of my opinions were incomplete or not in the appropriate context. Live and learn I suppose. I've never done a video like this before. I'm now taking the time to speak with those I upset . . . Oh Katey, you are so brave and do this so well!
My (apparently unpopular?) opinion is that I really like pick-a-card reading videos. They're part of what got me so interested in tarot in the first place, because they were almost always quite accurate.
I am also in the camp that doesn't find divination necessarily unethical at all - I think it depends how you approach divination, and also how you talk to your querants. I see a reading as one possible future, and I remind people that the future is malleable, and so if you don't like your reading, you can change how things go. Actually, I think that's pretty empowering. Once you know about what might happen in the future, you can change it. (I've also personally done this after readings for myself - changed my own future, I mean. Sometimes not necessarily for the better, but we're human and we make mistakes.)
I also make sure to have the best intentions for people - my ultimate goal, when I get ready for readings, is to help them. On the other hand, I understand that this is sometimes uncomfortable for people, and that cards can sometimes be really confronting, or the querants will hear things they don't want to hear, etc. As a reader, I see part of my role as helping to break this to a person gently, and making sure they know they have options, etc. I don't want to leave people worse off than they were when they started the reading, so I guess I do as much as I can to "cushion the fall". I see this as the difference between tact and blunt honesty. They are both TRUE, but one feels a lot less bad than the other, and doesn't get a person's defenses up nearly as much.
Annnd apparently I've written a novel. Oh well. XD
Thank you for sharing! As someone who doesn't watch pick-a-card videos (I don't have anything against them, they're just not my thing) I was particularly curious to heard from someone who does!
I like pick a card videos too! I always love seeing how other people interpret the cards and piece together messages
I think flip-throughs are excellent to have access to. Sometimes I see a deck being discussed by practitoners that sounds great ...but unless I can see what all the cards in it look like, I'm taking quite a risk acquiring it blind. I have bought (then got rid of) more decks than I've ever used, because it turned out I just didn't like the cards when I actually got hold of them. Nobody has to watch flip-throughs if they don't want to, but I am quite grateful for their existence!
It is good when the unboxing is done quickly, though. I'm not keen on watching somebody take 10 minutes to open a box and lift the cards out! I just want to see what the cards look like, with a bit of information about what else is included when you buy them. But many of these TH-cam unveilings makes too much of a meal of the process.
Yes yes yes to diversity, i am so upset when people call their decks diverse when they have 10 ppl who are not white straight men. The Unfolding Path Tarot has a really great representation of different people (race, skin tone, gender identity, sexual orientation, hair styles etc) in it.
My unpopular opinion is that I think there are a lot of people trying to legitimize and make tarot "respectable" and they have a lot of "rules" and ethical ideals that are very modern and goody-goody. Tarot has a rich history that includes being a tool of people who are often considered to be "low lifes" by the more respectable quarter. I feel like there is a move to "gentrify' tarot that kind of takes it away from the people who have a real historical inheritance to it. Also, by moving away from that, we are also placing that same judgement on those people. I also dislike the whole "tarot isn't the seedy, mysterious, blablabla thing that made you interested in tarot in the first place, let me reeducate you on how it's all about jungian archetypes and how it's blablabla...." I mean, I think most people get interested in tarot because of the representations they see that a lot of modern tarot readers all seem to want to disavow. I feel like cleaning it up too much makes it bland and boring. I prefer that tarot stay on the fringe and not just be some mainstream thing that has no... flavor. if that makes sense. I really really think people try to hard to gentrify it and rationalize it and so forth.
Thank you, Katy for the awesome discussion! I have a new TH-cam channel that is so far, just unboxing and a look at my deck collection. I’m only just over a year into my study of the Tarot and other metaphysical studies, and found those videos extremely useful to me as a newbie who is searching for something to resonate with after experiencing years of religious trauma (Mormonism). I started the channel to be something fun for me to do and to provide a service for people who were considering certain decks to purchase, with a good view of the cards. My channel is small and nothing fancy. I found your channel and some others that really helped me find some decks that I resonated with and because of good “unboxing” videos, I have made very few dud purchases. I would like to discuss other topics like, religious trauma, the sudden invisibility of women over 50, and other things I’ve got stewing in my brain, but because of fear, I’ve yet to show myself on camera. People can be very cruel and it’s not something I think I’m strong enough to brush off if something really nasty were to show up on my channel. Soooo...I keep it really safe. Another thing about diversity...the depiction of people o er 50 is very minimal. I understand that youthful beauty and energy is a powerful force to be reckoned with, but in the grand scheme of things, that is a very short period of one’s lifetime. It goes by exceedingly fast and span of one’s lifetime when they are regulated into the non-relevant invisibility chamber, is a longer chunk of life. Anyway, thank you for the discussion. I love your perspective!
That is totally fair, and I think it's great you're self-aware enough to know where those boundaries are for you right now. And I totally agree about ageism in tarot art as well! Thank you for bringing that one up!
I feel like anti-haul videos actually HELP sales to some extent. There are several decks I’ve added to my wishlist that I never would’ve known about if it weren’t for an anti-haul video. I respect the youtuber’s opinion and reasons why it might not be the best deck for them, but we all have different tastes. And what they might not be drawn to might be something I absolutely love lol as long as the video creator doesn’t put down deck creators or explicitly try to dissuade purchases, I think they can be very helpful in sharing decks that people might not be aware of.
Agree with so much of what you said. I'm new to the cards. My first oracle was bought in February and my second&third oracle + first tarot deck just came in yesterday. But I've been lurking in Tarot-Tube for a while. I just wanted to be *absolutely sure* about the decks I was buying before putting my money down (yet still managed to whimsey-buy the tarot deck when I didn't want to have to learn tarot in the first place), so...
I especially agree about diversity. I'm tossing around ideas about making my own oracle deck with symbology and terminology and imagery that works for where I am right now in a way that most decks I have access to really, really don't. Like, most healing and self-care decks I've seen so far seem to be body-beautiful at best and a lot seem to worship the womb/motherhood/childbirth as a form of "connecting with the sacred feminine". For someone who is non-binary, wants to work with feminine and masculine (and neither, and both) energy, but never wants children and has endometriosis (so my uterus is a constant source of recurring trauma for me), the current decks on the market are mostly a no-go.
Most of the decks I've been attracted to also don't cover the gamut of psychological states I want to explore (during shadow work or self-care for mental health) which is aI've
About anti-hauls, I love them. And reading the comments section will show that they often *don't* negatively affect the sales margin because so many people will say that they are considering buying a deck in an anti-haul because the aspect of it that landed it in the anti category for the TH-camr are the exact aspects they, the commentator, were *looking* for in a deck. I dunno, I really like the way it can go both ways here: (1) "hey, I agree with you, this isn't my jam and I'm taking it off my wish list" - and (2) "wow, that deck you didn't like because of x, y, z is *exactly* what I've been looking for, thanks for sharing!" Also, the anti-haul can really be a starting point for being more mindful of mindless consumerism personally and starting that conversation in the community, which is good in and of itself.
Yes to all of this!! It was a really great discussion, and I got lots of ideas for videos to make, actually!
Ooh fabulous! I can't wait to see them!
I love the new intro, space, makeup, and glasses! I have made the decision to buy several decks from anti-haul videos, LOL.
I came across your videos a few weeks back, and kept “checking in” … but have to admit that this is the video that now has me subscribing. Thank you for your insight 🎈😊
As someone who learns best by watching others, pick a card readings really helped me when I first started out in tarot. Being able to watch people who were more familiar with tarot than I was talk about the meaning of the cards and the ways that they could relate to aspects of everyday life really helped me learn how to connect the meanings to the question I was reading on. It also really helped me find a method of reading that worked for me since every reader does their reading a little bit differently, so I didn't feel as much pressure to use methods that didn't work for me (like 'only read using celtic cross' or 'only read using past, present, future') that get recommended a lot in resources for beginners.
That being said, it feels like they focus on only a couple of really limited topics and, personally, I don't really need or want a romance or career reading. I don't really know if people find that they get useful advice from pick a card readings, but I think they can be a really helpful tool for people who are just starting out.
This was so much fun, I found myself talking back to the screen a few times. When you read some of my stuff out loud, I realized that I don't entirely agree with myself and that I should have perhaps been more thoughtful with my words. So thank you! :-)
I did the same while listening to myself and trying to edit this video! 😅 Thank you for sharing with me your thoughts!
Wonderful :)
I haven't been watching much (or even filming) youtube of late, but I was so intrigued by this style of commentary and sharing. It was a really interesting, chilled video and a great reminder of diversity in the community and therefore, beliefs, ways of utilising tarot, culture, experience, our lenses, etc.
Thank you for this video! TH-cam is a wonderful place to view so many different people and ideas. Of course we don’t always agree with every view point but we have the freedom to choose what fits with us personally.👍🤗
Absolutely!
Just found this. Loved it. My unpopular opinion would be that I am tired of seeing pregnant women depicted as being creative. Hello! SO many more ways of a woman being creative, thank you. Agreed, in part, with the last opinion you tackled. As a Wiccan, it disturbs me that more and more tarot is going mainstream and called a "game." When I do tarot, I am channeling gods, ancestors, guides (though perhaps that is the Medium in me, as well as the Witch, who knows?). I do agree with you on reversals (I may try them someday, but right now, I don't wish to). I am big on Ancestor decks, and also...I do love Oracle cards. There is just something about them that appeals to me. The biggest unpopular opinion I think I have is that...the Rider Waite Smith deck does nothing for me. Big snooze. Boredom city! I do get that it is a great "starter deck", but it is just so bland and one-note. Had to laugh at the outrage of so many decks being all women. Enter a time machine and become a child of the 1960's, when everything was about men. Sorry, don't care. Well...enough rambling...except to say that I would love to see someone like myself reflected in a tarot card, but I don't know how you would depict a bisexual ASD (Aspie, which apparently you can't say anymore) witch. LOL Thanks so much for this, and I am so glad I found your channel!
Oh man, I recognize myself in the last one, but with runes. 😂 Granted, for me it's more... I'm not sure you can understand them deeply if you haven't spent a lot of time at the ends of the world?
How Issa is more than just ice and structure - It's eight months of darkness, carefully walking over a lake, painstakingly making sure you don't waste neither time nor resources in winter. Or the pure joy and elation in the sun rune Sunna, when the ice finally melts.
But I'm also aware it's quite gatekeeping of me. So I'm thinking about it a lot, to figure out why I feel this way and how to change my perspective. And I've realized it has a lot to do with Nazis appropriating the runes...
Not tarot, but I hope that's okay!
Nazi's out here ruining everything!
What is a good resource for buying decks 2nd hand?
Regarding redrawing for a given question: I say Yes! I am a beginner, and I notice that some of the cards that come out or jump off of my deck while shuffling can answer a line of thought that I followed rather than say focussed on my question, or related to what was happening in the room, etc. Sometimes, I'm just not concentrated enough. So although it is not an officially accepted way of practicing, I believe we shouldn't push ourselves beyond what we are capable of. Accept what we are, do, and not be judgemental about our practices, as long as they are authentic and done with integrity. Plus, when a card doesn't ring a bell to me, when at the end of the day it didn't get related with anything that happened, I just discard it. Full stop. Thank you for answering that point brought up by that YTer. Tough one!
My unpopular opinion was that I love borders. But after hearing Katey's views on that, I do realize that I don't actually love all borders. Black ones irk me especially. And I also don't like borders on cards that are already quite large. Like Druid craft. I have tiny hands. I could do away with them.
I share your unpopular opinion! I like borderless too but there are decks whose borders I love and I feel like they really add something! For pathworking meditation, it's a frame to step through as well.
@@aquamarine18 That is an interesting insight regarding pathworking meditation. What do you feel about borders that are too wide? Do you trim them? I end up keeping them regardless of their colour or size because I am simply incapable of trimming. Would do a messy job. Plus, I do not like to alter my cards. So I usually don't buy a deck if anything about it is not visually appealing.
love both intros, so happy imagining that this means a new stage in your development. here to grow with you ☘️
Definitely! And thank you :)
I love these type of videos and am totally here for this 😍 There were some great, and really interesting, opinions here.
Thanks, Heather! :)
Katey Flowers I meant to ask in my original comment... do you happen to be Libra by any chance? That’s one thing I kept thinking while watching your responses. As a Libra myself “I could go either way...” is a statement that 💯 resonates 😂
Haha way to call me out! 😂 Yes, my Libra sun is showing!
Katey Flowers sorry for the call out 😂 I think being able to see it from both sides is a massively underrated skill 😉
The tea is piping hot this morning! 😂 Absolutely loved this and love how you handled some tricky opinions so tactfully and deferentially! 💚
Piping is the only way to have tea! 😎☕
I love respectful anti halls videos. I found a few decks I have loved by what other people don't like. ♡
I agree!
Really enjoyed this video and hearing the opinions of others and yours as well. So much to chew on! I definitely agree with diversity topic and I do hope to see more decks that are more inclusive.
Great content! I’ve been very selective and am avoiding this unboxing content, so it nice to see this type of thing happening.
Being selective about the content we choose to consume is so important!
This was fantastic, fun, and thoughtfully conveyed! Yas to all of this-esp on matters of diversity and anti-hauls! You’re doing a part 2, right? 😆😉 We. Want. More. 🙌🏼
Haha I wasn't planning on it, but I admit I was surprised by how well this video has been received! So it looks like we might have to have another go sometime soon! :)
I tend to re-roll pulling cards for people when I get a negative message for them (I do online readings which is why I do this). I'm new at Tarot and sometimes I notice that my pessimism and anxiety tend to coat the message sometimes so I always want to make sure and it gives me more time to ponder on the message
That was fun, thanks Katey :) I will wave my 'credit the artist' flag till the day I die, lol.
Yes! Thank you! It's something I definitely need to pay more attention to, so thank you for bringing it up!
Unboxings can get boring but they are so useful for deciding if a deck is for you or not
So interesting to hear folx’ s opinions and yours, too! Yes yes yes to more inclusivity in decks! I’ll never stop talking about this!!! And I’m so glad you brought it up here several times. It’s really important !
Absolutely! 💕
Love this content. I enjoy that comment about the oracles making everything okay and that we're so fabulous. I think happy, supportive oracles have become so popular because there is a great need for something like that for a while now.
I like unboxings that do "first impressions" and give a point of view on the deck. I used to do them on all my new decks as an easier way (rather than writing down) my own first impressions.
I love how tarot makes you consider your question from every angle, it offers many views .
Even if you aren't a collector, the flip through are good for checking out decks for that you are thinking about buying.
Great discussion. I'm in a place where I'm not really sure where I land on a lot of these topics, so it's interesting to hear different perspectives and notice which ones "ping" for me and which ones don't.
Different opinions and ideas are a great way to get us thinking about our own beliefs, that's for sure! Glad you enjoyed :)
I have the vindur deck and it is more gender neutral than most decks I’ve seen. It’s also watercolor and a lot of line work if anyone is interested in that type of art.
Oooh first but also love the video always a fan of unpopular opinion type stuff. Interesting to see what the variance is in the community
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Thanks, Chris! And yes, I totally agree! It's great to be reminded that we all think about the world in different ways! :)
Adding another comment to respond to the stuff you added to your comment :)
I have to admit, I really struggle with that idea... the anima and animus aren't literal, scientific things, they are constructs, ways for us to talk about and think about things. That's the same with gender. A man and a woman is one, obvious and simple way of depicting that, but it's not the only way.
I love the Celtic Cross ❤️ lol it tells a great story if it’s modified well to answer a specific question. X
Ahh it's nice to hear people still loving the Celtic Cross!
I prefer its predecessor, the Tirage en Croix, it is a majors only spread but you can layer on top with minors
Amanda Gosling That sounds cool 😎 X
It’s refreshing to hear you open a dialogue with your viewers for respectful discussion of 'unpopular' opinions. Often, these topics are taboo because it is scary voicing an opinion that is not the popular one. For me, it's not about agreement, but about tolerance for where everyone fits in this community. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about each of these diverse topics.
I definitely agree that we need more room to engage in dialogue with one another rather than boxing off challenging conversations as a no go!
Girlllll. I was hands raised pswaying from side to side during this video! So many times outloud I said YASSSSSSSS while cooking my bfast and listening to you. i loved this.
Sammy! Haha thank youuuuu 😄 💕
Count how many times my Libra ass said ‘i could go either way on this’ tho 🤣🤣🤣
@@KateyFlowers Ok but yes but here also were so many times you DID clearly state an opinion! Just the way you approached talking about things was SUPER.
People that need to redraw are just trying to get to a deeper channels. Reading some shallow cards clears the way and helps you get there.
Interesting way of framing that! Thank you :)
You were my first tarot channel I subscribed to (Dec 2019) and I love your honesty. Well done Katey. Second hand decks are coming to you... not you looking for it. I have 10 decks and not a one is RWS.
Thanks so much! And first! What an honour! 😄
Loved your thoughts on these Katey - especially about diversity and the anti-haul thing! 👏 not as important or interesting as many of these topics but I think my unpopular opinion is that I don't love matte decks SOOOOO much more than glossy decks like a lot of people seem to. I understand the opinion especially with the glare you get on some glossy decks but the matte decks I have I actually find to be so much harder to shuffle that the slightly slippier ones! 😂 Xx
Thank you for making this video Katey! I know I'm late (I've just stumbled on it) but I really enjoyed your candor and how you presented your opinions. I do not have anybody around me who is into tarot so it was nice to sit with a cup of coffee and listen to you.😊
Diversity is crucial in being able to capture the whole community 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 I don’t see myself fitting in many decks
Wow! Katey,I had no idea that I'd share so many of these unpopular opinions. Thanks for sharing this. In the discussion on diversity, I wonder how we manage it in rising above tokenism where only a few cards are sprinkled throughout the deck and how we determine which archetype gets which representation. That's one element involved in why I created my own Open Face Tarot, in which all archetypes are based on the same character, The Fool, which, in my deck has no hue, no gender, no age, no body type....it's more like an alien or a baby, a blank slate, before we become aware of all those distinctions. You can have a glance at it here: www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/marketplace/the-open-face-tarot-labels-purple-bag.html. But, then, I tend to read according to an action or activity represented, more than the character that's performing that action.
Thanks for unpacking the opinions!
*Be well, Katey, and all.*
♥️
Thank you! :)
I view tarot in a more “psychological” manner. The person I’m reading is just using their untapped mind when picking cards, its their mind showing them what they need to hear the only time it gets “spiritual” for me is when I’m ask for advice from spirit,looking into the future, synchronicities occur, and cards pop up
As I am watching this, there are "1,111 views". Doorways, openings.... as per numerology. Aside from that, I appreciate that you cover ethics and diversity. Also glad that you are bringing these topics to your yt channel because I am not much into IG yet or other media.
Such an interesting and fun video! There are so many things to think about in tarot, so I really appreciate hearing people's different opinions and your reactions!
Yesss! I'm glad the fun vibes came across because I loved filming this! :)
Thanks for sharing your opinion I appreciate it. Everyone is different and we need to respect that. Stay safe.
thank u for responding to my opinion. I am OK with disagreements but was happy when u agreed
Haha yes thanks for sharing, Ari! I hope you're well! x
I don’t follow a certain spread when I shuffle and pull cards. I ask a question and I pull as little as two or three cards, sometimes more if I want more clarity on the situation. I don’t follow past present future spread either. I just pull what I feel will give me enough info I need. I use what works best for me.
I just adore you and all of your content! TH-cam can be a truly wonderful place if you use it right. I love that viewers were so gosh darn great in sending their unpopular opinions, and your responses match pretty well with with my feelings. You are an easy favorite of mine! 🌈🌞
I support having different decks for different people, so the diversity thing doesn't bother me, although I've always felt that both genders were fairly well represented in the Tarot. I could just be ignorant about that subject though. I do actually believe RWS is the most accessible tradition, but I am interested in one day branching out and trying different types of decks.
i need the unboxing and flips to see what to expect and if i get drawn to a deck before i buy
You have really well balanced view s on a lot of points and I appreciate that and omg 😱 your bookstore has 200 decks in stock!?
Second hand deck usually are "trained" they work fantastically for me
i agree with the second-hand decks they seem like they hold yes lessons from before us and more energy comes into play not unless you use sage to completely clear your decks, my preference is palo santo.
Katey, I really enjoyed this video and topic... Please do a part 2 or more. Thank you!
I'll keep it in mind! :)
@@KateyFlowers Looking forward to it!
I didn't know about the Naked Heart Tarot. That's beautiful. I love the Wild Unknown butttttt I don't really think of it as an "animal deck." To me, I think of an animal deck as one where the deck is mainly about the "meaning" of the animal itself, and I don't see or read the wild unknown that way. (Perhaps in the court cards to some extent)
The Lost Hollow deck on etsy (and probably the creators other decks) has an insane amount of diversity. There are differently abled bodies, there are androgynous people and people of different sexes in the court cards, different skin tones, etc
I do have qualms about divination for the same reasons I don't like psychic mediums. It's not simply because I don't share their belief, but more that I view it as potentially exploitation. You said that if people are of their right mind then it's their free choice. That sounds fair enough at face value. However, how do you make that decision? With mediums it concerns me that many clients are grieving over lost loved ones and perhaps their judgement is impaired. Similarly if someone is in crisis and rather than using Tarot as a reflection and contemplative tool they're asking "What will happen?" then there is the danger of taking choice away from them by giving the message "this is what the cards say". Of course, the other side of this is that if someone goes to a medium and gets some comfort from believing their dead loved ones are happy and looking over them, it's perhaps not a wholly bad thing in itself. Ditto for a card reading. I do feel the ethics are a minefield and not just for charlatans but for people who have good intentions also.
Interesting to hear so many different takes on so many different aspects of tarot! I also love how you are so respectful of everyone's opinions and you inspire me to try harder. :P
I've just thought of one of my tarot opinions: I can't stand when decks put Strength as 11 and Justice as 8! However I do respect that that's just how some people do it. It just drives me nuts personally. :P
Haha I'm always working on it, too, don't you worry! :P And I definitely prefer Strength as 8 and Justice as 11, too, mostly because that is what I'm used to, but I get why some people prefer reverting to the original order. I think decks that just don't number the majors are a great work around for this!
I love this video. I didnt star with RWS but i start learning better when i study it. Is like base meanings, bit i add all of the different aspect of different decks i have .
I have one tarot deck, which was gifted to me, then i bought one oracle card deck. Those are good enough for me, i highly doubt i would ever get more. The 2 take a lot of psychic energy out of me to sustain, and i would rather have them be well-maintained by my energy than have a ton of decks that cant receive enough and therefore be almost inert. To each their own, but i am satisfied with my humble collection 🥰✌️
I love how you said we are adults and we should be able to do whatever we want yasssss!! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I really loved this discussion! Since you were discussing diverse decks and the need for more of them, I'd like to recommend the Numinous Tarot by Noel Arthur Hempel. It doesn't use gendered titles for any of the cards, has a wide variety of ethnicities, gender presentations, and people of different sizes; even has a handful of differently abled folks and has a polyamory-friendly Lovers card. :)
Finding it interesting for someone to separate spiritual world readings from "every day" world readings. We are all spiritual beings of energy living in physical bodies. The more we face and heal our spiritual selves our lives on the physical realm are thus being healed. IMHO. Most of all let's recognize tarot is whatever we choose it to be and as long as it's not being used for harm then let's all work on stopping judgement.. of ourselves and of all others. May we all remember that ultimately it's FUN. 🙏💖
So I kind of love anti haul videos, because I learn about decks I may not have heard of. I've bought a few decks featured in anti haul and love them. I'm not gonna not buy a deck because someone else doesn't like it. :D On the content issue, I'm trying to expand my content past flip throughs and try do more about using the tarot or learning about tarot. It does take longer to make these videos.
What kind of a World would this be if we all had the same opinion. Love listening to you.