Old video but IS YOUR MATH CORRECT? From your description on the various rear axles you have: Rear Axle Centerline to Frame: 7.25" OR - Dana 35 (2.5" Tube) Stock Height: 6.00" - Dana 44 (2.75" Tube) Stock Height: 6.125" - Chrysler 8.25 (3.00" Tube) Stock Height: 6.25" The 6.00 inches for the Dana 35 appears to be correct but -for Dana44 shouldn't it be 7.25 -(2.75/2) = 5.875 stock distance to frame rail -for Chrysler8.25 shouldn't it be 7.25-(3.00/2) = 5.75 stock distance to frame rail To me it makes more sense since the axle centerlines are the same the larger diameter axle tube will be closer to the frame rail.
The spring perch is on the top of the axle which also affects how much farther the wheel is from the body. If you went from a dana 35 to an 8.25, you'd get an extra 1/4" of lift just from the different tube radius.
Check the vacuum line that goes from the manifold on the drivers side of the car. Look up the cruise control vaccum diagram. Mine was melted. Fixed it in 1 minute. Works like a charm now.
If I don’t know what shocks to buy can I use this method to find what length shocks to buy. If your hight was 5.75 I assume it was a six inch lift you installed
I've been a jeep xj guy for about 12 years. My Q is - trying to find a 3" lift for my 2000 xj 75% in town and Hwy / 25% off road Hunting and exploring don't rock crawl unless I must I pull a Trailer 5k to 6k miles a year. Budget is 1k for lift kit and I have the install covered. Can you recommend or point me to top 3 lifts for my usage.I'm not holding you accountable for results, I just need advice as I am asking several sources. 2 sources mentioned Zone Brand?Thanks for your time,Brian
if you start with an old stock XJ the issue is hard to sort out, with old saggy springs. i always use each end of the rocker panels as a measuring point to see what i have.
Nice to see nothing wrong with the heap ooow no jeep ha ha ;-D sorry :-(. Silly mood unloaded........ Im not sure what i think about the measurements, the tyres add height too, i thought getting the body/axels away from big rocks was the idea, so massive tyres to lift the axels would be my way. But im a plonker and know nothing about your hobby, ill just stand in the corner with a traffic cone on my head and "D" scratched into the cone lol :-D
Well, as stated there are a few measurements one can obtain. Measuring from the bottom of the differential to the ground will give you ground clearance, but that is completely related to tire size. Suspension Lift is the big ticket item today, which measures how far the axle is from the body. Mo Lift = Mo Tires.
hello I used the info you provide in my ZJ the 6.75 in the front and 6.00 in the back and it work it came to be 8.5 front and back I think it work in ZJ to my not but I'm happy .
+Crockaurus Rex Luckily, that's one of the few parts that didn't rust out yet so I just did some sliders. BleepinJeep did some square tubing rockers on his latest buggie
I can't tell if this is some kind of Jersey Shore reference or an actual statement. It's a pretty nice ride now that I've got full length coils up front.
Don't sell yourself short nick, all your videos are exciting. You know you could do one on relocating the transmission breather line. Im working on that tomorrow.
Hey nick quick question i want to lift my xj and i was wondering if i get just the 3 in springs anx the 2 in shackles will it still give my jeep a lift in the front .?
+Bobby Barraza If the spring you are putting in say it will give a 3" lift, then it should give you atleast 3" more height in the front, maybe more if the old springs sag. The rear will probably sit an inch lower and may look a little goofy.
do you know if i can run a 3 inch rough country lift and a 3 inch budget boost together? would i need adjustable lower control arms? and did you do anything to your paint?
Can you? Yes. Should you? Hell no. 3" is way too tall for a budget boost, I wouldn't go over 2." If you're getting a whole kit, do yourself a favor and get a proper one that advertises the lift hight you would like. The reason they get more expensive as you go taller is because they come with the extra parts you need to do it right. As for control arms, you generally don't need adjustable lowers. A kit that comes with proper lowers will be the right length for a lift. Adjustable uppers are nice to fine tune your pinion angle or caster though. As for paint, I did clean up some rust spots and rattle can some factory matched paint over it.
Hmm I’m confused. According to these numbers my RE 3.5” kit gave me 4.5” in the front and 5.25” in the rear with a C8.25. Im still running stock bumpers and no rockers, but that just seems odd??
off topic but looking for help. maybe you or someone here can help. I'm doing a 5 speed swap in my 99. I know I need the computer but would I need the whole wiring harness. I'm not worried about the reverse lights and I'll just jump the nss.
+justin b Did a quick search and along with all the mechanical parts I think all you need is the Manual ECU. Possibly a sensor or two such as CPS or TPS but they might be the same on newer XJ's. Browse the forums and see what you dig up.
The difference between a bone dry tank and a full tank is about 130lbs. This could cause a height difference of up to a 1/2" (That's how much lower mine sat when I stood on the back) but to say it will never work as a method of measurement is silly. This is the MOST accurate way to measure and compare between vehicles as it only measures the height of the lift and nothing else. These measurements are also supposed to measure the lift height at ride weight so if you regularly carry around 500lbs of gear then you should check with the weight in so you know what you actually have on the road or trail. But good catch nonetheless.
I believe they were Pro Comp 1059 Wheels. They were near impossible to find when I was looking for replacements a few years ago, but then they started popping up after I bought something different. Go figure.
How did this work out for you? I’m about ready to install a 3.5” long arm kit with 35s. Probably a lot of trimming and smashing with a BFH and a ton of bumpstop.
Nope, and that's the beautiful thing about this method, it removes a lot of the variables out so that all you get is true suspension lift height and that's it. A total ground clearance measurement to the ground would change with tire size though.
@@NickInTimeFilms Is it accurate to measure from the center hub to the bottom of the fender flare? I am getting different opinions on this. I am trying to determine what TC drop I need. Is it common for one side of the truck to site an inch lower then the other?
Body lines can vary, especially with aftermarket flairs. Axle to frame is the most universal way to check. The suspension should be level, unless you've got a lot of weight on one side.
@@NickInTimeFilms No extra weight on one side that's the crazy thing.. Both axles are new and the suspension is all new as well. Well used leaf springs out of a 99 Jimmy to make the Cherokee bastard pack in the back. I am going to go out and do the axle tube to frame rail measurement to check if its really off an inch, adn to get an accurate measurement. Appreciate the quick response.
@@NickInTimeFilms Ok so actually I haave been parking this thing in my driveway that leans towards the drivers side since I bought it. It does make the jeep lean to the side. Maybe it is because the suspension is left sitting on an angle? Hmm... Here is my measurements. Front drivers side 9.5 Front passenger side 10 1/8" Rear drivers side 9" Rear passenger side a little over 10" yEAH. :/
Do you happen to know the stock height with a rear D44? Edit) Actually, I am having a hard time figuring out why the measurement would be different with a D44. My original axle was a D-35 so the top of the axle (bottom of leaf springs) should be the same no matter what axle. I'm prolly wrong, so can you please explain my error? Thanks. Nice video. Very Useful.
What is being taking into account is the centerline of the axle. A larger Diameter tube gives you more lift than a smaller one so that is accounted for in the measurement. The Dana 35 has a Tube Diameter of 2.5." We want the radius which is half so that's 1.25." By adding that to the stock height of 6," we get 7.25" which is the hight from the center of the wheel to the frame. A Dana 44 Tube Diameter is 2.75," only a 1/4" taller. Cut it in half and you have an 1/8" more lift. So add an 1/8" to your measurement if you want to compare to a D35 or add 1-3/8" to compare from center of axle to frame.
ooh, is that some fresh rear disk brakage i spot?
mhmm, hopefully coming up soon. would like to finish the ebrake before I put up the video
Old video but IS YOUR MATH CORRECT? From your description on the various rear axles you have:
Rear Axle Centerline to Frame: 7.25"
OR
- Dana 35 (2.5" Tube) Stock Height: 6.00"
- Dana 44 (2.75" Tube) Stock Height: 6.125"
- Chrysler 8.25 (3.00" Tube) Stock Height: 6.25"
The 6.00 inches for the Dana 35 appears to be correct but
-for Dana44 shouldn't it be 7.25 -(2.75/2) = 5.875 stock distance to frame rail
-for Chrysler8.25 shouldn't it be 7.25-(3.00/2) = 5.75 stock distance to frame rail
To me it makes more sense since the axle centerlines are the same the larger diameter axle tube will be closer to the frame rail.
The spring perch is on the top of the axle which also affects how much farther the wheel is from the body.
If you went from a dana 35 to an 8.25, you'd get an extra 1/4" of lift just from the different tube radius.
Does your cruise control work if not could you possibly do a video on fixing it?!
Check the vacuum line that goes from the manifold on the drivers side of the car. Look up the cruise control vaccum diagram. Mine was melted. Fixed it in 1 minute. Works like a charm now.
According to this, mine is sagging severally from the stock form haha. My leaf springs look like they are frowning at me.
U HAVE A REVERSE ARCH
Character In the video It's great, I like it a lot $$
Thank you so much been trying to figure out what the lift on my Jeep is now I just need to gravitate measure and go at it
By the way. Love your videos you are really good at explaining what you are doing! Also very entertaining!
Thanks for the help!
If I don’t know what shocks to buy can I use this method to find what length shocks to buy. If your hight was 5.75 I assume it was a six inch lift you installed
Very helpful. new sub
Excellent compared to middle hub to bottom of factory fender. Both gave me a number within 1/4 inch. So nice way to verify using two methods. Thanks
Appreciate the video. I have the same wheels as you do. The previous owner had already installed them. What brand of wheels are they? Thanks!
I've been a jeep xj guy for about 12 years. My Q is - trying to find a 3" lift for my 2000 xj 75% in town and Hwy / 25% off road Hunting and exploring don't rock crawl unless I must I pull a Trailer 5k to 6k miles a year. Budget is 1k for lift kit and I have the install covered. Can you recommend or point me to top 3 lifts for my usage.I'm not holding you accountable for results, I just need advice as I am asking several sources. 2 sources mentioned Zone Brand?Thanks for your time,Brian
In 30 days i am giving away dana 44 and a ford 9 inch rear end, putting dana 60s on the front and dana 80s on the rear.
I work for a dealership and have access to Jeep manuals back to the mid 90,s they don't list ride height anywhere for the Jeep.
if you start with an old stock XJ the issue is hard to sort out, with old saggy springs. i always use each end of the rocker panels as a measuring point to see what i have.
I have a 97 zj, where do I find the stock numbers so I can figure out my left?
nice whaler btw, i have an 87 13.5' with a 50hp 2 stroke merc
Nice to see nothing wrong with the heap ooow no jeep ha ha ;-D sorry :-(.
Silly mood unloaded........
Im not sure what i think about the measurements, the tyres add height too, i thought getting the body/axels away from big rocks was the idea, so massive tyres to lift the axels would be my way.
But im a plonker and know nothing about your hobby, ill just stand in the corner with a traffic cone on my head and "D" scratched into the cone lol :-D
Well, as stated there are a few measurements one can obtain. Measuring from the bottom of the differential to the ground will give you ground clearance, but that is completely related to tire size. Suspension Lift is the big ticket item today, which measures how far the axle is from the body. Mo Lift = Mo Tires.
I'm still waiting on your disc brake setup video I'm looking into doing the same thing to my XJ
Thank you so much for this video 🙂
what about center of gravity??????
hello I used the info you provide in my ZJ the 6.75 in the front and 6.00 in the back and it work it came to be 8.5 front and back I think it work in ZJ to my not but I'm happy .
The ZJ may have different stock specs then the XJ. I know ZJ Coils give more lift on an XJ so it may be worth looking up stock height.
First!! Now back to the video :p
Don't go around asking for pictures! Da intarwebz won't have piety on you!
Thanks for the tip :D
+Iñigo Zapata Haha, gotta be carefully with all you wilee buggers, never know where my stuff ends up.
When are you hitting the trail again?
Do you still have the original rockers? I'm thinking about doing 2x6 square tubing this summer
+Crockaurus Rex Luckily, that's one of the few parts that didn't rust out yet so I just did some sliders. BleepinJeep did some square tubing rockers on his latest buggie
Dude...How does that Ride? ROUGH I BET ....HAAAA new Joyzeee
I can't tell if this is some kind of Jersey Shore reference or an actual statement. It's a pretty nice ride now that I've got full length coils up front.
Don't sell yourself short nick, all your videos are exciting.
You know you could do one on relocating the transmission breather line. Im working on that tomorrow.
I was thinking about making a breather line Vid, but I just included it in my stroker install vid when the trans went in
Hey nick quick question i want to lift my xj and i was wondering if i get just the 3 in springs anx the 2 in shackles will it still give my jeep a lift in the front .?
+Bobby Barraza If the spring you are putting in say it will give a 3" lift, then it should give you atleast 3" more height in the front, maybe more if the old springs sag. The rear will probably sit an inch lower and may look a little goofy.
do you know if i can run a 3 inch rough country lift and a 3 inch budget boost together? would i need adjustable lower control arms? and did you do anything to your paint?
Can you? Yes. Should you? Hell no. 3" is way too tall for a budget boost, I wouldn't go over 2." If you're getting a whole kit, do yourself a favor and get a proper one that advertises the lift hight you would like. The reason they get more expensive as you go taller is because they come with the extra parts you need to do it right.
As for control arms, you generally don't need adjustable lowers. A kit that comes with proper lowers will be the right length for a lift. Adjustable uppers are nice to fine tune your pinion angle or caster though.
As for paint, I did clean up some rust spots and rattle can some factory matched paint over it.
Hmm I’m confused. According to these numbers my RE 3.5” kit gave me 4.5” in the front and 5.25” in the rear with a C8.25. Im still running stock bumpers and no rockers, but that just seems odd??
It's certainly possible. No armor will raise you up a little more.
So maybe my IRO 3.5” long arm kit might actually give me 4.5” to help fit the 35s I have for it?
does the ride height pertain to all years of xj? i have a 01 and was hoping to use this method since i dont have stock flares
+David Chapman I believe they are all about the same, you'll just have to adjust for your rear axle. All in the description
off topic but looking for help. maybe you or someone here can help. I'm doing a 5 speed swap in my 99. I know I need the computer but would I need the whole wiring harness. I'm not worried about the reverse lights and I'll just jump the nss.
+justin b Did a quick search and along with all the mechanical parts I think all you need is the Manual ECU. Possibly a sensor or two such as CPS or TPS but they might be the same on newer XJ's. Browse the forums and see what you dig up.
I did all night and finally found a good one. I don't need no wires
The rear method will never work what if you have a full gas tank in the Rear it sag lil more
The difference between a bone dry tank and a full tank is about 130lbs. This could cause a height difference of up to a 1/2" (That's how much lower mine sat when I stood on the back) but to say it will never work as a method of measurement is silly. This is the MOST accurate way to measure and compare between vehicles as it only measures the height of the lift and nothing else. These measurements are also supposed to measure the lift height at ride weight so if you regularly carry around 500lbs of gear then you should check with the weight in so you know what you actually have on the road or trail. But good catch nonetheless.
My old wheels and tires look good on your rig 😆. Sweet channel dude!
+lilnapsak Still getting quite a lot of use out of them, they seem to be holding up well enough.
Do lifts after a while settle in or decrease in ride height
Yes, over time they tend to sag down a bit, cheaper kits usually more then others.
are your stock numbers from a jeep with sagging old springs? or is that mint condition stock height?
That's fresh out of the factory height
sweet, thanks brother.
Where did you get the spec's for the stock ride height?
I found it on a forum somewhere. Tried looking through the factory service manual real quick but didn't see it there.
What rims are those?
Thanks,
I believe they were Pro Comp 1059 Wheels. They were near impossible to find when I was looking for replacements a few years ago, but then they started popping up after I bought something different. Go figure.
are those drop brackets for your front sway bar?
Yup, I only used them to move the mounts forward becuase they hit the coil springs otherwise. Whole video on em
will i be able to clear 33s with a 3inch rough country (add a leaf) lift if i cut 2 inches off the fenders?
How did this work out for you? I’m about ready to install a 3.5” long arm kit with 35s. Probably a lot of trimming and smashing with a BFH and a ton of bumpstop.
Does your tire size affect the measurements?
Nope, and that's the beautiful thing about this method, it removes a lot of the variables out so that all you get is true suspension lift height and that's it. A total ground clearance measurement to the ground would change with tire size though.
Thanks
Instragram link?
Instagram is NickInTimeFilms , instagram.com/nickintimefilms/
thanks your awesome man turns out I got eight and a quarter inches of lift appreciate it
Wow, that sounds like pretty big lift, lol
yeah it's pretty tall
When are you hitting the trail again?
+Ken MacMillan I went on a U.O.A. Rausch Run a few weeks ago. That video will be up when I get to editing down the hours of footage.
you going to do a video on your rear brake swap???????????????
Of course, just a lot of info to sort through, took a bit more work then I thought it would
sweet!!!! looking to do this it on my 95 2 door. keep up the great work!! greats vids and sweet jeep
Any idea on the adjustment for the measurement on a Dana 44?
All in the description.
@@NickInTimeFilms Doooooh. Didn't hit the "show more" link :^) Thank you.
How did you find the stock lift height?
I’m looking for stock lift height for a 2007 jeep jk?
I found it deep within a factory service manual about checking suspension.
What year is that?
Psst, check the Description. It's an '89.
does it work the same for a rear c8.25 diff?
+albertort1 I think thats what he has
I believe you just add a 1/4" to your rear measurement
+Kaipo Fitisemanu Non C-clip Dana 35 in this old clunker.
What is the stock lift for 99-01? Is it it the same height?
Yes
@@NickInTimeFilms Is it accurate to measure from the center hub to the bottom of the fender flare? I am getting different opinions on this. I am trying to determine what TC drop I need. Is it common for one side of the truck to site an inch lower then the other?
Body lines can vary, especially with aftermarket flairs. Axle to frame is the most universal way to check. The suspension should be level, unless you've got a lot of weight on one side.
@@NickInTimeFilms No extra weight on one side that's the crazy thing.. Both axles are new and the suspension is all new as well. Well used leaf springs out of a 99 Jimmy to make the Cherokee bastard pack in the back. I am going to go out and do the axle tube to frame rail measurement to check if its really off an inch, adn to get an accurate measurement. Appreciate the quick response.
@@NickInTimeFilms Ok so actually I haave been parking this thing in my driveway that leans towards the drivers side since I bought it. It does make the jeep lean to the side. Maybe it is because the suspension is left sitting on an angle? Hmm...
Here is my measurements.
Front drivers side 9.5
Front passenger side 10 1/8"
Rear drivers side 9"
Rear passenger side a little over 10"
yEAH. :/
what front bumper do you have?
AJ's Offroad SlikRok Bumper
NickInTimeFilms thank you. Do you have any of the guards/light hoops or the tucked in version?
I have the Pre-runner Bars and regular version
NickInTimeFilms thanks! Been looking for a nice looking winch bumper for my XJ. It looks really good
Do you happen to know the stock height with a rear D44?
Edit) Actually, I am having a hard time figuring out why the measurement would be different with a D44. My original axle was a D-35 so the top of the axle (bottom of leaf springs) should be the same no matter what axle.
I'm prolly wrong, so can you please explain my error?
Thanks. Nice video. Very Useful.
What is being taking into account is the centerline of the axle. A larger Diameter tube gives you more lift than a smaller one so that is accounted for in the measurement. The Dana 35 has a Tube Diameter of 2.5." We want the radius which is half so that's 1.25." By adding that to the stock height of 6," we get 7.25" which is the hight from the center of the wheel to the frame.
A Dana 44 Tube Diameter is 2.75," only a 1/4" taller. Cut it in half and you have an 1/8" more lift. So add an 1/8" to your measurement if you want to compare to a D35 or add 1-3/8" to compare from center of axle to frame.