Good lord. What was honda thinking? Your informative video caused me to go to local mechanic, which thankfully i can afford. Younger days would have me struggling for a day and probably deciding “the filter is fine”. Thanks for the work. Hopefully TH-cam will eventually reward you with enough proceeds to get a camera setup! You deserve it.
I’m so glad I found this video of yours man, guy at the parts store told me it was inside the transmission and I’d have to go to a transmission shop to get that done. You’re a legend lol
Dear fellow Civic DIYers, please pay attention to his warnings. Disconnecting the trans fluid filter is a MAJOR pain in the rear. I realize now why car shops charge in the range of $200 for a fluid AND filter change. This service is not for the faint of heart, but it is worth it if you have average to slender arms and hands. Guys with big arms and hands will not find this worth the effort. TIP- to remove the hose clamps either use a genuine hose clamp removal tool or a pair of vice grips. The location of the trans filter is located below the air filter housing and behind the engine (at a downward sloping angle). Honda engineers were smoking dope the day they decided on the location. Good luck.
I did this based on your video, and I can see why you busted your knuckles. I used the jack to push the socket wrench and force open the nut, that thing lifted my car before violently twisting open. OMG, they really really don't want you to do this at home! I really thought I was twisting the wrong way and going break my car, but it was the normal counter clockwise twist open. The other challenge was to replace the transmission filter. Hell of a fight getting your socket wrench in there to get it off the bracket. Great video, thanks for sharing and giving me the courage to do it. Sorry about your knuckles, I hope you have mechanic gloves to use on future projects.
Thank you for doing the back track and showing how to remove lower hose clamp of the filter. A lot of videos (and I saw many) only shows the filter already out. As already mentioned here by another viewer, if you do not have the disposition, do not try, because the filter hoses are a pain. This filter brings a lot of discussion: some Channel mentioned that Honda does not even mention it on the maintenance schedules, and it should be left alone; other Channels mention to change the transmission fluid every 30k miles, but do not mention changing the filter; Honda if I remember, mention to change the fluid every 50k to 100k depending the model, and again, no mention about the filter
Thanks. Debates can rage about the filter, but there is no arguing that clean fluid will help your transmission last and work reliably. Anything one can do to keep it clean is worth it if you don't mind if the procedures for replacing that filter are mechanically tricky.
I ended up changing the hose clamps out with some that were easier to grip and remove. I removed the hose which was easier, changed the filter, and put the hose back on. I've considered adding a longer hose for the future which would make it easier to remove the filter.
Nice job thanks for your troubleshooting and sharing your aggravation with us. Very impressed I would have dropped a few bombs myself. I watched an earlier video today didn't say anything about the filter now I know thank you good job.
I was having a heck of a time getting the clamp off the rear of the filter. Next thought was pull the clamp off the hose where it connects to the metal tube running to the transmission. Couldn't get that done, either. Next thought was to remove the metal tube that connects to the transmission. This involves removing two bolts - a 17mm that goes into the top of the transmission and a 10mm bolt that holds the metal tube in place and keeps it from vibrating. Both of these bolts are reasonably easy to get to as compared to the hose clamps on the filter, and after their removal you pull the filter, the two hoses attached to either end of the filter along with the metal tube that was attached to the transmission. At that point pulling the clamps off the filter and assembling the hoses and clamps to the new filter is a very easy operation. Even though I think that this is an improvement to the process documented in the video, I appreciate the video and it was very helpful to me. Thanks!
Great video I did my transmission recently and that drain plug is a pain I found another video if you use the Honda Jack and jack up the socket wrench it will pop it loose without damaging you're fingers :)
A.my problem trans fluid warmer (on '06-'09 civic)failed($490part)coolant in trans fluid & trans fluid in coolant.After flushing engine,heater core ,throttle body,radiator. I changed all hoses and water pump.While air box and heater hoses were off changed filter.I disconnected filter at end of hose that connects to back of trans found it easier more room down there.Be carefull while tugging/twisting on hose I bent line going into trans. B.Flushing trans without filter (bypass hose) when fluid clean will install. C. Common sense even if you didn't have my NIGHTMARE(thank you Honda engineers & by passed all lines into warmer) IF ITS HAS A FILTER CHANGE IT . Thanks for video helped big time .
update got lucky after flushing trans 4 times fluids clean.during road test while holding my ass and crossing my fingers she shifted great in all gears with no slipping.She'll be back on the road monday after a year vacation.
I think it's really important to mention that only 2.5 quarts comes out when you drain it, but the full capacity of the transmission is something like 6 quarts, so less than half comes out. To fully change the fluid you'd need to drain, fill, drive and repeat at least 3 or 4 times before you've mostly gotten rid of the old fluid. it would be 100% pointless to go through this amount of hassle to change the filter ( which Honda says you don't need to ever replace) only leave more than half of the dirty fluid in there. I would suggest anyone drain and fill 3 or 4 times every 30-50 thousand miles. But since that's a hassle, do what I do and drain and fill twice a year, or once every oil change, that way it's basically replacing the whole fluid once every two years. Also, use DW1 fluid from the dealer.
You're right, a lot of fluid stays trapped in the transmission during the draining procedure. I don't believe what Honda says about not needing to change the filter. To me that's the only control I have aside from the mega dilution strategy, which is less than elegant, but really all we practically have. A filter change gives a bit more.
No. That's nothing to be worried about, as long as you fill it when you're done. That amount is going to vary quite a bit in my opinion, because its based on how much stays trapped in the various hydraulic tubes of your tranny.
I believe Honda’s transmission service is 1 drain and add 2.9 qts, as they charge ~$100, can’t see them doing all this. They charge $100 to change the cabin filter, which is basically the same as ejecting a VHS tape and putting a new one in.
Joe Hein 2.9 is the amount to add. May vary, check the dipstick level, but people report anything from replacing 2.5 to 3.5 qts, mine was just under 3 to get to the same level.
that's not the filter for the transmission. That is the filter for the transmission cooler.. it is a barrier to prevent partials getting to the trans cooler and plugging it up. If you need to change that the transmission is screwed. You replace this when the transmission is rebuilt. So yes the Honda guys are correct.
That is a rather elaborate procedure to replace a filter. I've changed the transmission fluid (3 qts) every 10K miles; a mechanic said that I may not even have to change the filter because of the frequent fluid changes. Even at the 10K changes, the fluid color is changing - the car has 180K on it.
Heads up, guys. Honda states that the transmission filter is not a standard service item and is only recommended to change if a rebuilt transmission is swapped out. There is no need to change the filter so save some time and aggravation. The link to the info is in this video if you watch it. "Honda transmission filters, should you change them?" Answer: you certainly can but it isn't recommended by Honda. th-cam.com/video/0o4lh9_AyG0/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the video bro. IMO honda intentionally put the filter in a very hard to reach spot & dont include em in maintenance schedule is to gain profit from replacement transmission sales. So ppl do your research, plenty of hidden features in today's so called disposable car industry to make you look for new cars when repair bill start to mount.
Not true. I see these civics at work all the time there is no need ever change it unless the trans is replaced..I see these cars with 400.000 plus miles on them no filter ever changed. The fluid does need to be changed every 30.000.
NOTICE!! I've had reports that accessing the filter is much easier if you approach it from under the car and remove a plastic cover blocking it. I'm being told it takes 15 minutes to do it from below which is better than what I've offered here in this video, so try that first. Let us know if you've tried that and how that went. These cars are pretty low to the ground and it could be difficult to access if you don't have 4 jackstands, a pit, or a hydraulic lift, so use your judgment.
good video looks like that trans filter to much hassle im just going to change the oil and cross my fingers the filter is good.But i gave u a thumps up and will subscribe.
I didn't know the transmission had a filter because I had been told only filter was a stainer inside the transmission. I wish there was a easier way to replace that filter.
I'm rolling up to 85k in my 2008 Civic lx. I recently had the original A/C compressor replaced. I was recommended by my mechanic (small mom and pop shop that specializes in Honda/Acura) that my tranny fluid and brake fluid were both due for a change. It's been about 30k on transmission fluid and I'm unsure on brake fluid. I've got all the parts and material ordered for both my only question regarding this whole process of the drain and fill plus filter swap is, at what point exactly would you recommend to actually swap the filter? It's my intention to drain and fill a total of 3 times (ordered 9 quarts). It seems unwise to do it at the start obviously, but do you think it's wise to wait until I've completed all phases before tackling the filter? Cheers, great and informative video.
Looking this up says the transmission fluid should be replaced every 60k miles. I'd replace the filter as often as you replace the fluid. It makes no sense to replace a filter as long as you're recirculating old fluid you're about to replace, so I'd replace the filter in conjunction with the last drain and fill if you plan on doing it more than once. I only did mine once.
Great video! My daughters 09 civic w/150,000 started not to shift into O/D...bought used I might add. I'm not sure the A/T fluid has ever been changed. I was about to attempt this myself. Along with the recommended 9 quart flush intervals. Got to start somewhere. Iv been told it could be the shift silinoid? However I know it's been a bit since you posted this. Is there any suggestions, or perhaps opinions from anyone on helping me out. Thanks Jason
People have reported smoother shifting after changing the fluid/filter, but that's not a guaranteed solution. It's probably the first place I'd start though. It certainly wouldn't hurt..
@@DoctorFixMaster hey the air filter body has 2 bolts with a ten mm socket , removed all done but one look like pin something what kind of tool to remove it out ? It located left on the back of the air filter body please help.
As far as I know its original equipment for the 2008 model year. It certainly could have changed year to year. Toyota puts their transmission filters inside the transmission.
If all 08's are the same, then yours should have the filter I talk about in this vid. Also, I'm certain that not everyone at a dealership knows what the hell they are talking about. They'd much rather sell you a new transmission or a new car.
DoctorFixMaster I just got off the phone with them and they said no filter but they drop the pan and clean it. They will clean the magnetic bolt and fill trans back up. I feel you're right but now what?
They have no filter in the usual sense, perhaps. Toyota buries their transmission filter inside the transmission, at the bottom. That might be Honda's way of saying they have no serviceable filter. But they absolutely do have an inline filter for transmission fluid as I've described, and that one is very serviceable. I can't think of any reason why it would be practical to have two. It doesn't matter. Transmissions last longer if the fluid is kept clean. There is no debate about that. You have access to that inline filter. I would encourage everyone to make the most of it. In my opinion, all cars should have a filter that is that easy to get to. It's much easier and less messy than the epic trouble you have to go through to drop the transmission pan to access the built in filter, and then reseal it with a gasket when you're done.
Thanks for the video. I don't think I would have attempted this without watching your video first. I've read that the bottom clamp on the filter can be reached from underneath the car. Also they make 90 degree bent long nose pliers that would make it easier too. My arms probably won't fit like yours did. @ModestConfidence The maintenance minder (little wrench light on the dash) is supposed to tell you when to drain the trans fluid. It's a code 3 I believe. But I've seen on a lot of forums to do the drain and fill every 30,000 miles. (I'm not sure on the filter.) The drain and fill is cheap enough and good insurance so why not?
Keep in mind that 2.5 quarts comes out when you drain, but the capacity is like 6. To fully replace takes 3 or 4 drain and fills. If you did it once every 30 k miles, it wouldnt have replaced it all until 120 K miles, by that time the first fluid you put in there would already be dirty... I would hate to see you have early transmission trouble after performing this crazy feat of replacing the inline filter.
Do you need to service the transmission pan and gasket? I remember the old cars I had to do that and clean out crap at the bottom of the pan where the magnet keeps it stuck there.
NO. Honda made it simple and removed that process. It's a lot like changing your oil just remove the plug, let it drain, reinstall the plug and refill. 2 Easy.......
I have a problem of whinning noise from the transmission till speeds upto 30km/hr then when the car gets upto optimum temperature the noise isnt there Can changing the transmission oil filter help with this issue? The transmission oil is red and i believe it was changed 12000 km back as the previous owner told me.its 118000km driven by the way Thanks
If the fluid is already clean and red, I'm not sure there is much you can do about this. I'm certain that keeping that fluid clean will extend the life of your transmission, but they do wear out over time. It helps to know the history of the car. How many times has the fluid been changed over the life of the car, or was it run for many miles with really dirty fluid earlier in its lifetime and took some damage? All you can really do is take care of it from this point on and hope for the best.
I'm not entirely sure. I doubt it builds enough pressure to blow the line, but no filtration at all would probably lead to premature transmission failure.
I looked it up and the filter looks to me like its mounted inside the transmission housing. I'm not 100% sure though, but that configuration is very common. Toyotas are that way. It's just a pain in the butt to get to.
I'm not 100% sure on a Civic that isn't 8th generation, but stuff like that doesn't change too quickly. It would be easy to see if that inline fluid filter was there or not on your 2003. If not then its probably in the transmission housing.
The filter has nothing to do with the operation of the transmission other than keeping the fluid clean. Could dirty or old transmission fluid produce the symptoms you're seeing? Possibly. Fresh fluid and a new filter is a good first step in diagnosing a problem, but if you do find some other problem after doing that, you'll lose that investment in fluid if the transmission has to be opened and overhauled.
@@ugo13a I'd replace the fluid and filter as outlined in my video and see if it improves the function of your transmission. Every transmission needs clean fluid to operate properly. Any problems deeper that are usually out of the league of a weekend DIY guy like me, especially if the damage is already done or its just old and worn out.
You should replace fluid when you change the filter, per the video. Off the top of my head I don't remember what the capacity is, but it's easy to look up. You usually can't get all of it when draining it. Put in only as much as you take out and check the level with the dipstick to be sure it's right.
@@michaelhalaby53 I don't think it makes a difference what gear it's in, as long as there is sufficient fluid in there and you have changed into all the gears after refilling to make sure the fluid is circulating. Warm or cold engine mattes too, but not the gear.
2 hours of labor for s $30 part. Thanks Honda engineers. My 2010 has 235k miles on it. Thought for a second of doing this, but will pass. I change fluid every 20-30k so hopefully the filter is spared.
I'm not sure. Personally, the transmission is something I don't want to monkey with. It's designed for a particular fluid and that's somewhere I won't cut corners, so it's original Honda ATF for me.
Be advised if your fluid is very old or never been changed before this could cause transmission failure. I seen it happen more times then i can count. JUST A FYI.
Thanks for the video! Those honda Engineers need to get their shit together. Why would they make a filter so hard to get to? I think Ill just leave mine in and pay for it to be replaced next time.
+ModestConfidence I haven't been able to find published information about how often to change the filter itself. You don't get a complete fluid swap without a filter change unless you bleed it somehow and even then you still end up with an old filter. We change oil filters every time we change the oil, but those are easier to get to, so I'd say its a judgment call. My inclination would be to change the filter every 80k to 100k miles or every two fluid changes. That should keep the tranny happy.
DoctorFixMaster that's because u don't chnsge it..... Mr Master.... I'm at the dealer and they said NEVER to chnsge it... It's a none serviceable part. They don't even touch it... Fu k ur car up if u do...
The transmission fluid fulfills the same function as oil in the engine. Imagine how long your engine would last if you never changed the oil filter. If it was an un-serviceable part, then why was I able to order a replacement part and service it myself? The dealer told you that because they would like nothing more than to replace your neglected transmission when it craps out early.
DoctorFixMaster because you have no idea what your doing and are offering bad advice. That s the automatic transmission cooler filter. You would never have to replace that unless the transmission blows up. It's to prevent the transmission cooler from being plugged up.
How does a transmission cooler work? By circulating transmission fluid. Replacing the filter is just one of two options you have for keeping that fluid clean. The best solution is what I've outlined...you replace as much fluid as you can and also the filter. As for offering bad advice, its your car. Make your choice and live with the consequences. Please....be my guest and ignore it. I post these to help people. Taking my advice is a choice. The consequences of dirty transmission fluid are not.
Spray it with PB Blaster and tap it with a wrench for a few minutes at hourly intervals. That unsticks almost anything. Be VERY careful that you are torqueing it in the correct direction (righty tighty, lefty loosie when looking down onto the top of the bolt head.....righty tighty is clockwise). If you turn it the wrong way and strip the threads, you have a very expensive repair on your hands. You go counterclockwise to remove the drain plug. You might need to get some leverage on it to bust it loose, and once it does, make sure you only torque it to spec and nothing more.
@@DoctorFixMaster thanks for the reply … It’s completely stripped so I’m not sure how to get it off …. I’ll try the pb blaster … I drive a Honda Civic 2011 automatic … it says it’s supposed to be a 17 mm plug but only a 14 nm socket will fit ….Kind of confused about that but either way it’s stripped and I can’t get it off
@@QuietStormAngel You'd have big problems if the threads were stripped. If the square 3/8" socket is rounded on the inside, you might have to drill it out. Make sure we're talking about the transmission drain plug. That has no external bolt edges to round off, just a place to insert the 3/8" square head of a socket wrench or breaker bar. It is very unlikely that that plug would strip, unless it was put in extremely tight. If the threads in the actual transmission housing are damaged, your repair costs go way up. It's pretty easy if you can raise the vehicle to put a metal or even PVC pipe around a breaker bar to make it longer and get some leverage on it. Just make sure you're torquing the plug counter clockwise. Good luck!
@@QuietStormAngel I'm a bit confused. You're talking about an actual socket fitting over the drain plug, but that's not the kind of transmission fluid plug you'll find on a 8th gen civic. What you're talking about sounds like the oil plug. It actually has a hex bolt head on it for a socket. The transmission fluid plug is not that kind of bolt. That one just has a square hole on it to receive the end of a socket wrench or breaker bar. You'd better watch the video again and double check that you're working on the right plug.
These cars are super low to the ground. I didn't try it from underneath, but I have my doubts it would be accessed that way, even if you had a pit to work in or a hydraulic lift. My impression of it was that it was buried pretty deep back in there, but not so deep that it would be easily accessed from below. Give it a try and let us know how it goes.
If it wasn’t for TH-cam I would be spending a lot at the mechanics. Everything I know about my car has come from TH-cam. It’s crazy people go to the mechanic for a simple brake replacement or a Oil change.
I'm the same way. It's what inspires me to figure things out and fix it myself if I can. Number one, you learn something cool in the process, and number two, I've never had much of an appetite for being gouged. The world out there is absolutely predatory towards people who don't know now things work. I'm on here to help people fortify their armor. :D
It looks like a good video but my research indicates you may not really have to change a transmission filter like you would need to with an oil filter. The transmission is more a closed system unlike engine.
Consider the motives of anyone giving advice that will send you back to buy a new one sooner. As an engineer I can guarantee you that an engine and a transmission are both "closed systems" that will both accumulate grime, wear, and tear through normal operation. I can also guarantee that any machinery that goes unmaintained and circulates dirty fluid until it dies will have a very short life compared to one that is maintained with clean fluids. That's auto-mechanics 101. You can follow the advice you received and probably get past the warranty period, but if you're like me and want your car to last years and years beyond the warranty, keeping your fluids clean is not an option.
@@DoctorFixMaster Thanks for your response! I was saying that changing the transmission filter may not be necessary. Changing the transmission fluid periodically is a great pm procedure. Take care and keep up the good work!
@@DoctorFixMaster yo retire el filtro junto con el tubo conector 11/16 para hacerlo menos difícil, 🙂🤭 saludos 😋 cuanto toque le puedo dar a la conexión? 🥰
@@luisgalvan8809 Bueno. No recuerdo las especificaciones de torque de nada allí, pero no hay nada crítico. Simplemente ajústelo cómodamente y debería estar bien. Gracias. :)
While you had that transmission line unhook I would’ve tried to start the engine and let the transmission pump the old fluid out while poring new fluid in until it cleared up, don’t know if it would’ve worked but I would’ve tried it just to see
Sounds like a reasonable idea, although unless you know where the pickup is, you don't really know how high up in the fluid it is. You could go through a lot of expensive fluid before it cleans up that way. I'm not sure. If you try that, post how it went. :)
DoctorFixMaster just done mine and the line that went to the filter is a pressure line and I hook a 3/8 clear line to it and ran it into a jug and just started the car and when it start pumping just a little air I would shut it off and put about 2 1/2 quarts in because that’s was all that it would pump out, I ended up putting 11 1/2 quarts back in before I could see real clean fluid, and I switched from drive to reverse a few times. Worked really good.
@@DoctorFixMaster I'm quite serious. You're dismissive of my comment. I'm trying to save what little money I have and do the transmission change myself. Next time I need a tutorial video I'll be sure to try somewhere else...
@@aimeejutz4992 That is your prerogative, and it will cost me about 1/100 of one cent. When you get in there to do that job, you might discover that there are very tight angles that make it less than conducive to turn into a fifty thousand candle power illuminated Hollywood production. Good luck. I posted this to help people solve a common problem, not as an invitation for snarky comments, speaking of dismissive. "I can't see shite"? You're welcome. About 150,000 others have viewed this, and you are the first to whine about the lighting. Regular people are grateful to hear about an external filter they never knew existed. If you can't see it, feel it. It's behind the fricken engine, and you saw the contortions I had to go through just to get back in there with a wrench. It's not a place where you can array banks of fluorescent tube shop lights. Criminy.
@@aimeejutz4992 I've shown you where all of that stuff is. If it isn't crystal clear in the video, there is no substitute for shoving your own light in there on your own vehicle, with a light that works for you. I've proven it can be done, and if you get it done you will spend very little. In spite of your response to my attempt to help you, I hope you succeed.
This is what working on a car is like. You use a flashlight, like I did. This video is to share information, and obviously not a beautiful production with multi angle and fiber optic illumination. The idea is to show you what you're going to see in real life, but you can invest in said lighting if that's your thing.
Nope. That was my 1/4 inch ratchet. The second one I showed was my 3/8 ratchet. It just looked bigger because I was zoomed up on it. Either kind will work as long as you have a 10mm socket on it. You do need a 3/8 to get the drain plug out though.
Good lord. What was honda thinking?
Your informative video caused me to go to local mechanic, which thankfully i can afford. Younger days would have me struggling for a day and probably deciding “the filter is fine”.
Thanks for the work. Hopefully TH-cam will eventually reward you with enough proceeds to get a camera setup! You deserve it.
Much appreciated!
I’m so glad I found this video of yours man, guy at the parts store told me it was inside the transmission and I’d have to go to a transmission shop to get that done. You’re a legend lol
Hahahah I was told the same damn thing
Same here
@@aarontaylor6464 they have 2 one inside and one outside.
Same here, guy told me it's inside the transmission and would cost $2000
I was told the same thing at parts store
8 years later! Useful Thanks!
Dear fellow Civic DIYers, please pay attention to his warnings. Disconnecting the trans fluid filter is a MAJOR pain in the rear. I realize now why car shops charge in the range of $200 for a fluid AND filter change. This service is not for the faint of heart, but it is worth it if you have average to slender arms and hands. Guys with big arms and hands will not find this worth the effort. TIP- to remove the hose clamps either use a genuine hose clamp removal tool or a pair of vice grips. The location of the trans filter is located below the air filter housing and behind the engine (at a downward sloping angle).
Honda engineers were smoking dope the day they decided on the location. Good luck.
Yo lo saque con todo y pipa y ya afuera se me hizo mas fácil, ✌️🙂
I did this based on your video, and I can see why you busted your knuckles. I used the jack to push the socket wrench and force open the nut, that thing lifted my car before violently twisting open. OMG, they really really don't want you to do this at home! I really thought I was twisting the wrong way and going break my car, but it was the normal counter clockwise twist open.
The other challenge was to replace the transmission filter. Hell of a fight getting your socket wrench in there to get it off the bracket. Great video, thanks for sharing and giving me the courage to do it. Sorry about your knuckles, I hope you have mechanic gloves to use on future projects.
Mine came off relatively easily with a breaker bar
Been stuck on taking off the back clamp. You explained it so well, got it right off easily. Thank you!
Thank you for doing the back track and showing how to remove lower hose clamp of the filter. A lot of videos (and I saw many) only shows the filter already out. As already mentioned here by another viewer, if you do not have the disposition, do not try, because the filter hoses are a pain. This filter brings a lot of discussion: some Channel mentioned that Honda does not even mention it on the maintenance schedules, and it should be left alone; other Channels mention to change the transmission fluid every 30k miles, but do not mention changing the filter; Honda if I remember, mention to change the fluid every 50k to 100k depending the model, and again, no mention about the filter
Thanks. Debates can rage about the filter, but there is no arguing that clean fluid will help your transmission last and work reliably. Anything one can do to keep it clean is worth it if you don't mind if the procedures for replacing that filter are mechanically tricky.
I ended up changing the hose clamps out with some that were easier to grip and remove. I removed the hose which was easier, changed the filter, and put the hose back on. I've considered adding a longer hose for the future which would make it easier to remove the filter.
Nice job thanks for your troubleshooting and sharing your aggravation with us. Very impressed I would have dropped a few bombs myself. I watched an earlier video today didn't say anything about the filter now I know thank you good job.
I was having a heck of a time getting the clamp off the rear of the filter. Next thought was pull the clamp off the hose where it connects to the metal tube running to the transmission. Couldn't get that done, either. Next thought was to remove the metal tube that connects to the transmission. This involves removing two bolts - a 17mm that goes into the top of the transmission and a 10mm bolt that holds the metal tube in place and keeps it from vibrating. Both of these bolts are reasonably easy to get to as compared to the hose clamps on the filter, and after their removal you pull the filter, the two hoses attached to either end of the filter along with the metal tube that was attached to the transmission. At that point pulling the clamps off the filter and assembling the hoses and clamps to the new filter is a very easy operation. Even though I think that this is an improvement to the process documented in the video, I appreciate the video and it was very helpful to me. Thanks!
Sounds reasonable. I'll try that next time. Thanks for the post!
Great video I did my transmission recently and that drain plug is a pain I found another video if you use the Honda Jack and jack up the socket wrench it will pop it loose without damaging you're fingers :)
Great idea! Thanks!
A.my problem trans fluid warmer (on '06-'09 civic)failed($490part)coolant in trans fluid & trans fluid in coolant.After flushing engine,heater core ,throttle body,radiator. I changed all hoses and water pump.While air box and heater hoses were off changed filter.I disconnected filter at end of hose that connects to back of trans found it easier more room down there.Be carefull while tugging/twisting on hose I bent line going into trans. B.Flushing trans without filter (bypass hose) when fluid clean will install. C. Common sense even if you didn't have my NIGHTMARE(thank you Honda engineers & by passed all lines into warmer) IF ITS HAS A FILTER CHANGE IT . Thanks for video helped big time .
update got lucky after flushing trans 4 times fluids clean.during road test while holding my ass and crossing my fingers she shifted great in all gears with no slipping.She'll be back on the road monday after a year vacation.
The cowl comes off easy as well for better access to back part of engine.
I think it's really important to mention that only 2.5 quarts comes out when you drain it, but the full capacity of the transmission is something like 6 quarts, so less than half comes out. To fully change the fluid you'd need to drain, fill, drive and repeat at least 3 or 4 times before you've mostly gotten rid of the old fluid. it would be 100% pointless to go through this amount of hassle to change the filter ( which Honda says you don't need to ever replace) only leave more than half of the dirty fluid in there. I would suggest anyone drain and fill 3 or 4 times every 30-50 thousand miles. But since that's a hassle, do what I do and drain and fill twice a year, or once every oil change, that way it's basically replacing the whole fluid once every two years. Also, use DW1 fluid from the dealer.
You're right, a lot of fluid stays trapped in the transmission during the draining procedure. I don't believe what Honda says about not needing to change the filter. To me that's the only control I have aside from the mega dilution strategy, which is less than elegant, but really all we practically have. A filter change gives a bit more.
is it weird that I got 3 quarts that came out? I added 3 after
No. That's nothing to be worried about, as long as you fill it when you're done. That amount is going to vary quite a bit in my opinion, because its based on how much stays trapped in the various hydraulic tubes of your tranny.
I believe Honda’s transmission service is 1 drain and add 2.9 qts, as they charge ~$100, can’t see them doing all this. They charge $100 to change the cabin filter, which is basically the same as ejecting a VHS tape and putting a new one in.
Joe Hein 2.9 is the amount to add. May vary, check the dipstick level, but people report anything from replacing 2.5 to 3.5 qts, mine was just under 3 to get to the same level.
Detailed explanation. Thanks
Today did just as you explained. Worked well. Thank you!
that's not the filter for the transmission. That is the filter for the transmission cooler.. it is a barrier to prevent partials getting to the trans cooler and plugging it up. If you need to change that the transmission is screwed. You replace this when the transmission is rebuilt. So yes the Honda guys are correct.
Thanks for the information. They can call it an ATF cooler filter, but its still the only filtration option for the same reservoir.
Nah that’s the inline filter. There’s plenty of other videos replacing them.
Where is di transmission fillter 2012 honda civic
While the air box is out I would clean the throttle body. It is a pain to do and the less times you have to take it off the better.
That is a rather elaborate procedure to replace a filter. I've changed the transmission fluid (3 qts) every 10K miles; a mechanic said that I may not even have to change the filter because of the frequent fluid changes. Even at the 10K changes, the fluid color is changing - the car has 180K on it.
Anyone is at liberty to believe a mechanic. As an engineer, I was never comfortable with the '
That's true - changing a filter never hurts.
Heads up, guys. Honda states that the transmission filter is not a standard service item and is only recommended to change if a rebuilt transmission is swapped out. There is no need to change the filter so save some time and aggravation. The link to the info is in this video if you watch it. "Honda transmission filters, should you change them?" Answer: you certainly can but it isn't recommended by Honda.
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Thanks for the video bro. IMO honda intentionally put the filter in a very hard to reach spot & dont include em in maintenance schedule is to gain profit from replacement transmission sales.
So ppl do your research, plenty of hidden features in today's so called disposable car industry to make you look for new cars when repair bill start to mount.
Truth
Not true. I see these civics at work all the time there is no need ever change it unless the trans is replaced..I see these cars with 400.000 plus miles on them no filter ever changed. The fluid does need to be changed every 30.000.
transmission bolt torque is 36 ft lb.
Try not torquing your connecting rod,camshaft, head bolts and few other internal engine bolts and lets see what happens.
You're a legend for this. I love you so much.
NOTICE!! I've had reports that accessing the filter is much easier if you approach it from under the car and remove a plastic cover blocking it. I'm being told it takes 15 minutes to do it from below which is better than what I've offered here in this video, so try that first. Let us know if you've tried that and how that went. These cars are pretty low to the ground and it could be difficult to access if you don't have 4 jackstands, a pit, or a hydraulic lift, so use your judgment.
good video looks like that trans filter to much hassle im just going to change the oil and cross my fingers the filter is good.But i gave u a thumps up and will subscribe.
Wear gloves. Always. Protect your knuckles. Great video. Thank you.
Hello, thanks it is good video. Workshop already changed oil and said there isnt filter... Can i change it after or does oil coming out?
You can still do it. You'll lose some transmission fluid but with a new filter it will stay cleaner much longer.
Great video, thank you very much!!!!
Thanks dude 👌
I didn't know the transmission had a filter because I had been told only filter was a stainer inside the transmission. I wish there was a easier way to replace that filter.
I'm rolling up to 85k in my 2008 Civic lx. I recently had the original A/C compressor replaced. I was recommended by my mechanic (small mom and pop shop that specializes in Honda/Acura) that my tranny fluid and brake fluid were both due for a change. It's been about 30k on transmission fluid and I'm unsure on brake fluid. I've got all the parts and material ordered for both my only question regarding this whole process of the drain and fill plus filter swap is, at what point exactly would you recommend to actually swap the filter? It's my intention to drain and fill a total of 3 times (ordered 9 quarts). It seems unwise to do it at the start obviously, but do you think it's wise to wait until I've completed all phases before tackling the filter? Cheers, great and informative video.
Looking this up says the transmission fluid should be replaced every 60k miles. I'd replace the filter as often as you replace the fluid. It makes no sense to replace a filter as long as you're recirculating old fluid you're about to replace, so I'd replace the filter in conjunction with the last drain and fill if you plan on doing it more than once. I only did mine once.
Great video! My daughters 09 civic w/150,000 started not to shift into O/D...bought used I might add. I'm not sure the A/T fluid has ever been changed. I was about to attempt this myself. Along with the recommended 9 quart flush intervals. Got to start somewhere. Iv been told it could be the shift silinoid? However I know it's been a bit since you posted this. Is there any suggestions, or perhaps opinions from anyone on helping me out. Thanks Jason
People have reported smoother shifting after changing the fluid/filter, but that's not a guaranteed solution. It's probably the first place I'd start though. It certainly wouldn't hurt..
Wish I’d found your video earlier, tried this myself after watching another video and was unable to get to that rear hose clamp so I just gave up.
Great job! I have a 2007 Honda civic does the same year 2008 for automatic transmission filter ??
Your 2007 should be an 8th generation Civic just like mine. It should have the same transmission filter.
@@DoctorFixMaster thanks, Brother!
@@DoctorFixMaster hey the air filter body has 2 bolts with a ten mm socket , removed all done but one look like pin something what kind of tool to remove it out ? It located left on the back of the air filter body please help.
Almost pull it out but one pin bolt ( something)
I mean bottom of the air filter body case from left back look like pin? Can I pull it out ?
wow I never seen that filter! I rebuilt my engine and never saw that filter. it must be an add on one
As far as I know its original equipment for the 2008 model year. It certainly could have changed year to year. Toyota puts their transmission filters inside the transmission.
How did you get the rubber grommet off? You just lifted the whole plastic piece and twisted and it came right off?
Yes, if you work with it, it will come off. I hope you got it done. :D
did you mention the torque spec for the drain plug? I missed it
49Nm = 36 ft lbs :)
I like you video thanks !
The deal just told me that my 08 civic doesn't have a transmission filter but hear you are replacing one. Does my 08 civic have a transmission filter?
If all 08's are the same, then yours should have the filter I talk about in this vid. Also, I'm certain that not everyone at a dealership knows what the hell they are talking about. They'd much rather sell you a new transmission or a new car.
DoctorFixMaster I just got off the phone with them and they said no filter but they drop the pan and clean it. They will clean the magnetic bolt and fill trans back up. I feel you're right but now what?
They have no filter in the usual sense, perhaps. Toyota buries their transmission filter inside the transmission, at the bottom. That might be Honda's way of saying they have no serviceable filter. But they absolutely do have an inline filter for transmission fluid as I've described, and that one is very serviceable. I can't think of any reason why it would be practical to have two. It doesn't matter. Transmissions last longer if the fluid is kept clean. There is no debate about that. You have access to that inline filter. I would encourage everyone to make the most of it. In my opinion, all cars should have a filter that is that easy to get to. It's much easier and less messy than the epic trouble you have to go through to drop the transmission pan to access the built in filter, and then reseal it with a gasket when you're done.
DoctorFixMaster I agree. I say to make it easy for the next filter change......Re-locate it in an easier location of reach.
Amen! What were they thinking? It should be as easy to replace as an oil filter.
Thanks for the video. I don't think I would have attempted this without watching your video first. I've read that the bottom clamp on the filter can be reached from underneath the car. Also they make 90 degree bent long nose pliers that would make it easier too. My arms probably won't fit like yours did.
@ModestConfidence The maintenance minder (little wrench light on the dash) is supposed to tell you when to drain the trans fluid. It's a code 3 I believe. But I've seen on a lot of forums to do the drain and fill every 30,000 miles. (I'm not sure on the filter.) The drain and fill is cheap enough and good insurance so why not?
Keep in mind that 2.5 quarts comes out when you drain, but the capacity is like 6. To fully replace takes 3 or 4 drain and fills. If you did it once every 30 k miles, it wouldnt have replaced it all until 120 K miles, by that time the first fluid you put in there would already be dirty... I would hate to see you have early transmission trouble after performing this crazy feat of replacing the inline filter.
is it necessary to open up the panel underneath the car to fully drain the transmission fluid?
You can't fully drain the transmission fluid, only 2.5-3 quarts comes out from the drain bolt. No panels need to be removed it's all exposed.
Do you need to service the transmission pan and gasket? I remember the old cars I had to do that and clean out crap at the bottom of the pan where the magnet keeps it stuck there.
NO. Honda made it simple and removed that process. It's a lot like changing your oil just remove the plug, let it drain, reinstall the plug and refill. 2 Easy.......
Awesome. Thanks so much for the response.
most welcome......
I have a problem of whinning noise from the transmission till speeds upto 30km/hr then when the car gets upto optimum temperature the noise isnt there
Can changing the transmission oil filter help with this issue?
The transmission oil is red and i believe it was changed 12000 km back as the previous owner told me.its 118000km driven by the way
Thanks
If the fluid is already clean and red, I'm not sure there is much you can do about this. I'm certain that keeping that fluid clean will extend the life of your transmission, but they do wear out over time. It helps to know the history of the car. How many times has the fluid been changed over the life of the car, or was it run for many miles with really dirty fluid earlier in its lifetime and took some damage? All you can really do is take care of it from this point on and hope for the best.
Where do i get a filter at. I cant find one
I ordered mine online. 254-PLR-003
What would happen if this filter totally plugged up? Would it blow the line or does it have a by-pass?
I'm not entirely sure. I doubt it builds enough pressure to blow the line, but no filtration at all would probably lead to premature transmission failure.
hi! do you kwon, in honda civic 2000 were the transmission filter is? please!
I looked it up and the filter looks to me like its mounted inside the transmission housing. I'm not 100% sure though, but that configuration is very common. Toyotas are that way. It's just a pain in the butt to get to.
DoctorFixMaster good video bro..do you know in 2003 civic lx trans filter..is located
I'm not 100% sure on a Civic that isn't 8th generation, but stuff like that doesn't change too quickly. It would be easy to see if that inline fluid filter was there or not on your 2003.
If not then its probably in the transmission housing.
Does the filter make the car transmission to slip the rpm to stay on 3000rpm for a while but it smooth properly or I’ve to just change the fluid out
The filter has nothing to do with the operation of the transmission other than keeping the fluid clean. Could dirty or old transmission fluid produce the symptoms you're seeing? Possibly. Fresh fluid and a new filter is a good first step in diagnosing a problem, but if you do find some other problem after doing that, you'll lose that investment in fluid if the transmission has to be opened and overhauled.
So what’s your best suggestion
@@ugo13a I'd replace the fluid and filter as outlined in my video and see if it improves the function of your transmission. Every transmission needs clean fluid to operate properly. Any problems deeper that are usually out of the league of a weekend DIY guy like me, especially if the damage is already done or its just old and worn out.
DoctorFixMaster ight will try that .. preciate the feedback
is it ok to put 4 litters in atf when changing the filter??
You should replace fluid when you change the filter, per the video. Off the top of my head I don't remember what the capacity is, but it's easy to look up. You usually can't get all of it when draining it. Put in only as much as you take out and check the level with the dipstick to be sure it's right.
do i have to check the level in drive or reverse ? and it has to be maximum to the upper mark, below the HOT label?
@@michaelhalaby53 I don't think it makes a difference what gear it's in, as long as there is sufficient fluid in there and you have changed into all the gears after refilling to make sure the fluid is circulating. Warm or cold engine mattes too, but not the gear.
2 hours of labor for s $30 part. Thanks Honda engineers. My 2010 has 235k miles on it. Thought for a second of doing this, but will pass. I change fluid every 20-30k so hopefully the filter is spared.
Right? Maintainability is not what they had in mind, evidently. With a little thinking, they could have turned that into a 10 minute job.
Do you have to use genuine honda atf.
I'm not sure. Personally, the transmission is something I don't want to monkey with. It's designed for a particular fluid and that's somewhere I won't cut corners, so it's original Honda ATF for me.
Be advised if your fluid is very old or never been changed before this could cause transmission failure. I seen it happen more times then i can count. JUST A FYI.
Yep. It can happen. But any transmission requiring sludgy, filthy fluid to operate properly is on borrowed time anyway.
@@DoctorFixMaster I would agree.
Thanks for the video! Those honda Engineers need to get their shit together. Why would they make a filter so hard to get to? I think Ill just leave mine in and pay for it to be replaced next time.
Warmachine1080 well, most other vehicles you need to drop the pan.
Its easier if you remove the hose from two tiny metal tranny tubing than from both end of the filter..[
I’m going to relocate mine to the firewall so I can replace it easier.
how often does it say to do this?
+ModestConfidence I haven't been able to find published information about how often to change the filter itself. You don't get a complete fluid swap without a filter change unless you bleed it somehow and even then you still end up with an old filter. We change oil filters every time we change the oil, but those are easier to get to, so I'd say its a judgment call. My inclination would be to change the filter every 80k to 100k miles or every two fluid changes. That should keep the tranny happy.
DoctorFixMaster that's because u don't chnsge it..... Mr Master.... I'm at the dealer and they said NEVER to chnsge it... It's a none serviceable part. They don't even touch it... Fu k ur car up if u do...
The transmission fluid fulfills the same function as oil in the engine. Imagine how long your engine would last if you never changed the oil filter. If it was an un-serviceable part, then why was I able to order a replacement part and service it myself? The dealer told you that because they would like nothing more than to replace your neglected transmission when it craps out early.
DoctorFixMaster because you have no idea what your doing and are offering bad advice. That s the automatic transmission cooler filter. You would never have to replace that unless the transmission blows up. It's to prevent the transmission cooler from being plugged up.
How does a transmission cooler work? By circulating transmission fluid. Replacing the filter is just one of two options you have for keeping that fluid clean. The best solution is what I've outlined...you replace as much fluid as you can and also the filter. As for offering bad advice, its your car. Make your choice and live with the consequences. Please....be my guest and ignore it. I post these to help people. Taking my advice is a choice. The consequences of dirty transmission fluid are not.
How do u get the plug off if it’s stuck
Spray it with PB Blaster and tap it with a wrench for a few minutes at hourly intervals. That unsticks almost anything. Be VERY careful that you are torqueing it in the correct direction (righty tighty, lefty loosie when looking down onto the top of the bolt head.....righty tighty is clockwise). If you turn it the wrong way and strip the threads, you have a very expensive repair on your hands. You go counterclockwise to remove the drain plug. You might need to get some leverage on it to bust it loose, and once it does, make sure you only torque it to spec and nothing more.
@@DoctorFixMaster thanks for the reply … It’s completely stripped so I’m not sure how to get it off …. I’ll try the pb blaster … I drive a Honda Civic 2011 automatic … it says it’s supposed to be a 17 mm plug but only a 14 nm socket will fit ….Kind of confused about that but either way it’s stripped and I can’t get it off
@@QuietStormAngel You'd have big problems if the threads were stripped. If the square 3/8" socket is rounded on the inside, you might have to drill it out. Make sure we're talking about the transmission drain plug. That has no external bolt edges to round off, just a place to insert the 3/8" square head of a socket wrench or breaker bar. It is very unlikely that that plug would strip, unless it was put in extremely tight. If the threads in the actual transmission housing are damaged, your repair costs go way up. It's pretty easy if you can raise the vehicle to put a metal or even PVC pipe around a breaker bar to make it longer and get some leverage on it. Just make sure you're torquing the plug counter clockwise. Good luck!
@@QuietStormAngel I'm a bit confused. You're talking about an actual socket fitting over the drain plug, but that's not the kind of transmission fluid plug you'll find on a 8th gen civic. What you're talking about sounds like the oil plug. It actually has a hex bolt head on it for a socket. The transmission fluid plug is not that kind of bolt. That one just has a square hole on it to receive the end of a socket wrench or breaker bar. You'd better watch the video again and double check that you're working on the right plug.
@@DoctorFixMaster yeah my bad I thought I replyd to another video … it’s the oil plug
How I reset the trans code p0874 three times but it on again
You can't access from under the car?
These cars are super low to the ground. I didn't try it from underneath, but I have my doubts it would be accessed that way, even if you had a pit to work in or a hydraulic lift. My impression of it was that it was buried pretty deep back in there, but not so deep that it would be easily accessed from below. Give it a try and let us know how it goes.
@@DoctorFixMaster Absolutely. I'm putting the car up on a lift Saturday. Thanks
If it wasn’t for TH-cam I would be spending a lot at the mechanics. Everything I know about my car has come from TH-cam. It’s crazy people go to the mechanic for a simple brake replacement or a Oil change.
I'm the same way. It's what inspires me to figure things out and fix it myself if I can. Number one, you learn something cool in the process, and number two, I've never had much of an appetite for being gouged. The world out there is absolutely predatory towards people who don't know now things work. I'm on here to help people fortify their armor. :D
@@DoctorFixMaster If your hearts in it, go for it
I'll have a mechanic I use once in a while change it out. Just getting the air box out is a hassle. Haha.
Do you have the part # for the filter?
25430-PLR-003 is the Honda part #, I think. Or, equivalent is Beck Arnley 044-0382.
Anyone have the part # for the filter?
254-PLR-003 is what I used.
Thanks
where to get that filter? is it genuine Honda?
If you do a search for "Honda Civic Transmission Filter" online, it will turn up both original Honda and aftermarket options for you.
@@DoctorFixMaster thanks for the video , have to do mine this weekend
Great video but a lot of background noise like the car is running the whole time which I know it’s not
The background noise is a fan. In Arizona, if you don't have at least have one of those on you, you won't survive spending time in your garage. :)
How much this product 25430-PLR-003 in Usa, in Brasil 80usd!
Try online like ebay, amazon,some as cheap as $6 and from honda ones are $35
It looks like a good video but my research indicates you may not really have to change a transmission filter like you would need to with an oil filter. The transmission is more a closed system unlike engine.
Consider the motives of anyone giving advice that will send you back to buy a new one sooner. As an engineer I can guarantee you that an engine and a transmission are both "closed systems" that will both accumulate grime, wear, and tear through normal operation. I can also guarantee that any machinery that goes unmaintained and circulates dirty fluid until it dies will have a very short life compared to one that is maintained with clean fluids. That's auto-mechanics 101. You can follow the advice you received and probably get past the warranty period, but if you're like me and want your car to last years and years beyond the warranty, keeping your fluids clean is not an option.
@@DoctorFixMaster Thanks for your response! I was saying that changing the transmission filter may not be necessary. Changing the transmission fluid periodically is a great pm procedure. Take care and keep up the good work!
@@DoctorFixMaster yo retire el filtro junto con el tubo conector 11/16 para hacerlo menos difícil, 🙂🤭 saludos 😋 cuanto toque le puedo dar a la conexión? 🥰
@@luisgalvan8809 Bueno. No recuerdo las especificaciones de torque de nada allí, pero no hay nada crítico. Simplemente ajústelo cómodamente y debería estar bien. Gracias. :)
@@DoctorFixMaster, ✌️👋
While you had that transmission line unhook I would’ve tried to start the engine and let the transmission pump the old fluid out while poring new fluid in until it cleared up, don’t know if it would’ve worked but I would’ve tried it just to see
Sounds like a reasonable idea, although unless you know where the pickup is, you don't really know how high up in the fluid it is. You could go through a lot of expensive fluid before it cleans up that way. I'm not sure. If you try that, post how it went. :)
DoctorFixMaster just done mine and the line that went to the filter is a pressure line and I hook a 3/8 clear line to it and ran it into a jug and just started the car and when it start pumping just a little air I would shut it off and put about 2 1/2 quarts in because that’s was all that it would pump out, I ended up putting 11 1/2 quarts back in before I could see real clean fluid, and I switched from drive to reverse a few times. Worked really good.
@@eroom2087 Cool. Thanks for sharing!
sometimes honda engineers soo clever they decided to make our day miserable just replacing atf filter... wasted lots of my times...
Wear your gloves bro to avoid skin injury!
Brazil very cost product, i need People send me some products for my new civic 2011 Generation 8
...First BTW
I can't see shite 🤔
Buy a lite. Make it brite.
@@DoctorFixMaster I'm quite serious. You're dismissive of my comment. I'm trying to save what little money I have and do the transmission change myself.
Next time I need a tutorial video I'll be sure to try somewhere else...
@@aimeejutz4992 That is your prerogative, and it will cost me about 1/100 of one cent. When you get in there to do that job, you might discover that there are very tight angles that make it less than conducive to turn into a fifty thousand candle power illuminated Hollywood production. Good luck. I posted this to help people solve a common problem, not as an invitation for snarky comments, speaking of dismissive. "I can't see shite"? You're welcome. About 150,000 others have viewed this, and you are the first to whine about the lighting. Regular people are grateful to hear about an external filter they never knew existed. If you can't see it, feel it. It's behind the fricken engine, and you saw the contortions I had to go through just to get back in there with a wrench. It's not a place where you can array banks of fluorescent tube shop lights. Criminy.
@@aimeejutz4992 I've shown you where all of that stuff is. If it isn't crystal clear in the video, there is no substitute for shoving your own light in there on your own vehicle, with a light that works for you. I've proven it can be done, and if you get it done you will spend very little. In spite of your response to my attempt to help you, I hope you succeed.
What is all that noise man
That would be a portable evap cooler/fan. Garages get a little toasty in the summer in Phoenix.
poor video cannot see!!
This is what working on a car is like. You use a flashlight, like I did. This video is to share information, and obviously not a beautiful production with multi angle and fiber optic illumination. The idea is to show you what you're going to see in real life, but you can invest in said lighting if that's your thing.
thats a 3/8s ratchet not a 1/4inch there mr fix it...
Nope. That was my 1/4 inch ratchet. The second one I showed was my 3/8 ratchet. It just looked bigger because I was zoomed up on it. Either kind will work as long as you have a 10mm socket on it. You do need a 3/8 to get the drain plug out though.
@@DoctorFixMaster Dog' goned haters every where. LOL
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