You all may be interested to know that just a month after this interview, this man is facing a disciplinary hearing by his church and is likely going to be excommunicated.
@@EbisuMonster I love Nemo. I haven't watched enough of his content to understand if he's still totally in. However, he just did a Mormon story 9/11/24 about it and he doesn't want to be excommunicated. He's a thorough researcher IMO. -exmo
Not really. I'm constantly wondering what he is doing with them, when he keeps telling us about the fucked up shit they do. And you know there is more going on.
@@rachelsmith8731 He is an active member but is experiencing unofficial restrictions on some aspects of his participation from his local leaders against his will. Like many other active members he has serious concerns with the Church's far too many dysfunctions and shines a light on them in his podcast.
@@rachelsmith8731 You don't know what you are talking about. He is active. However, for the crime of being honest, he is now being excommunicated by the LDS church.
He looks to be getting forcibly excommunicated this month for his honesty and his expectation that church leaders be honest. There’s a reason many Mormons dodge theses facts. 1. Many are lied to about them. 2. If you speak up about the lies they kick you out.
I admire this man's willingness to examine himself critically, examine his beliefs critically, examine his church critically and then talk so honestly about it. That's an integrity we could all benefit from, regardless of what we believe about Mormonism.
I greatly enjoyed this video and how critical and sincere he was. But specially how we wasn’t comparing his religion to others. Is there anything bad or you don’t agree with? Are they brainwashing you? Yes, like any other religion or any other situation in life, but he behaved greatly just giving his opinion and not comparing.
Ex bishop here, been out for 6 months. Nemo told nothing but the truth. He's now been "excommunicated" for telling the truth. The mormon equivalent of being shunned!
Nemo said LADbible has been very proactive in supporting him; made counseling available if needed and even offered to remove this video! Very cool to hear LADbible are this serious about ethics and that protecting participants is a top priority.
I respect this dude, because his gonads are freaking massive for doing what he does within the LDS Church. I was a member, but left for some of the reasons he mentioned already. Most LDS people are not as informed as he is and will mostly just blind follow everything their leaders say. But, there are people within the church, like him and others, that stay. Not because they agree with it 100 percent, but because without them, no positive change can happen at local levels. When I grew up, 8 year old girls would be alone in a room, with no camera protection, with middle age men talking about their sexual desires because children cannot participate is certian things within the church even if they masturbate. I actually didn't even realize much of this was happening until after I left the church. But, there are kind and open minded people within the church. This gentlemen is fighting a fight that is garnering him lots of enemies in the church. Takes a lot of guts to do what he is doing. Keep on fighting for equality in the church my man!
I was baptized in the LDS church in Jan of 1975. Not one single person asked me at that age if I had masturbated, and no one to this very day asks 8 year old children if they masturbate! How wrong would that be! Yes, teens were asked that previously. It is now banned, and no one has to meet with the bishop alone. Children and teens may now be accompanied by their parents.
@@jonok42 I am happy that the church has come to their senses, but there were people literally ex-communicated for pushing for the common sense right for children to not be alone with creepy bishops. (And there are people still being ex-communicated for pushing similar rights in other areas today) And then, the church leadership claims it is revelations from god for the big changes instead of givin people credit fighting for them from the inside. The more you know, I guess. But, if people are happy within it, then great. I'm not here to judge people. But, it should be noted that the modern day LDS church senors a lot of their unfavorable history, both modern and past.
As someone who is currently a member of the Mormon church and falling away from the beliefs, you have NO IDEA how brave Nemo is by doing this. Leaving is almost impossible and it is SO HARD when your family, your entire community, everyone you love, basically turns their back on you if you don't want to be a member anymore... I have to be SO careful and quiet... Luckily my husband is there with me...
@@toric.3793 Of course, anyone can decide to leave religion behind. But if this decision is based on the information that Nemo has shared here in the video, then I can only recommend that you take another close look before you do this, because Nemo has shared an extreme amount of clearly refuted untruths.
@dannygallaghermisc7593 They have to decide whether it's worth it to leave everyone and everything they love, especially in instances where they are not harmed by that.
For all of the members of the church saying he is lying about this or that; ask yourself how you know it’s a lie. If the answer is because you’ve never heard it before, look into doing some open minded and objective research on your own. You may be surprised. There are reasons we haven’t heard these things.
@@hippychicken82 I said "START WITH reading the essays". Members of the church are not allowed to read non-Mormon sources, so it makes more sense to point them to read a Mormon source.
@@anthill1510 doesn't that just point out the clearly obvious reason on how and why it controls it memebers. I mean yes I see what ur saying but I'm just pointing out the obvious control issues the church has.
@@hippychicken82 Yes, I am forced to point to a church source because the church controls it`s members. I totally agree with you. That`s not the point. The comment was made for believing Mormons and if they will read anything it will be something approved by the church, so I am pointing them to that.
He was 100% honest, neither critical or apologetic. Nemo stated facts, historical examples and unarguable statements. If the Mormon church believes he should be excommunicated for this it only speaks I’ll of the Mormon church and nothing else.
I am a Mormon from Finland and I appreciate this video. :) I also think mostly "out of the box" and believe that we should be more honest about some of the difficult topics
I'm a mormon too and I am not at all surprised by what this man is saying here. I'm kind of surprised that he is facing excommunication for saying these things.
That's an interesting perspective. It's true about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that there is a very strong social component. However, in my personal experience, no one is ostracized for leaving the Church. I have many friends who have left with whom I keep close contact. There's sadness when a member of the Church leaves, but there's no shunning (obviously there are exceptions).
In the early 2000’s one of my friends came out to the congregation and was immediately sent to a “camp”. I visited her there a couple weeks later and she looked like a ghost, hollowed out and completely defeated. After another week of asking around about her and discovering what they were doing to her I left the church. I’ve never regretted that decision, though I miss the community every day.
@ They taught her to look at her attraction to women as a perversion and a sin and trained her to be a good housewife for her future husband. They reprogrammed her like faulty software. I didn’t get back in touch with her after I sobered up, but I could guess that she’s either an abused housewife or she took her own life. Those are the two most likely outcomes
Religious people should welcome doubt with open arms because if it subsequently disproves your beliefs, then the religion isn't for you, and if it doesn't, then it just further validates and strengthens your beliefs. To ask people to ignore their doubt is to ask them to surrender their mind. This video is incredible.
Religion, like magic, doesn't hold up well to critical thinking. Fostering doubt and thoughtful questions will drive away more members than it attracts. That affects the church's coffers and therefore is discouraged.
Too often people see doubt as the opposite of faith. I disagree, I see the opposite of faith as certainty - I am either certain that this seat will take my weight or I need faith that it will. The Bible in Hebrews 11 explains faith as what we have when we cannot have certainty. In contrast I believe faith and doubt are sides of the same coin - they need each other. Doubt helps us refine our faith - and faith enables us to hold our doubts. There are things we can know for certain and take no faith, there are things that we hold by faith, and for that faith to be strong needs to be able to cope with doubt. Whilst doubt will at some point leave us having to accept that which we cannot know, and can only believe. Denying doubt and questions undermines faith, embracing the questions we have can deepen faith.
Just a month after this video released, Nemo got excommunicated from the church for his continuous questioning of church finances, treatment of women, treatment of gays, the church’s racist history and how they swept abuse under the rug
A very grounded, astute, emotionally intelligent man. It feels like he already has one foot out of the door, from my perspective, but all the best to him on the path he chooses.
I think you guys should bring him on again after the church excommunicates him. Then do a box about it. The church literally does this every time someone criticizes it. For example, when black people were prevented the Priesthood, people were saying the church needed to change that and got excommunicated
I disagree. I’m not sure what you mean by orthodox. I don’t know we were subdivided into groups in the church. I’m a member and find his responses to be oversimplified and skewed to the worse possible interpretation of the facts.
@@tylerahlstrom4553 Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I, unfortunately, can identify a LOT of subdivisional labels within the church: Convert, Less-Active, Inactive, Return Missionary, Endowed, Temple-Worthy, not Temple-Worthy, Mission Field, etc. The list goes on and on. But my personal experience as living as an LDS member both throughout my childhood and adulthood was very orthodox (strictly keeping to traditional doctrine or ritual).
Thanks for your response. By that definition, then I’d guess I’d say I’m pretty Orthodox too, or active would be a better description. I found Nemo’s presentation to be a straw man, where he presents enough credible information for the appearance of factual information, but skews it to his perspective painting the church in a negative light. He gets a lot of things wrong too. We did not move from town to town primarily for polygamy. An argument can be made for leaving Nauvoo that polygamy was a big reason, but all the other moves were not about polygamy. Also he says we wear garments to our elbows. He also just emphasizes things that support his conclusions and doesn’t point out things that give proper context to situations. Withholding evidence that doesn’t support your narrative doesn’t strike me as unbiased or honest.
@@tylerahlstrom4553 Yeah he got the elbow thing wrong but that wasn’t anything significant to the question. The polygamy thing was wrong as well but the Church has always had issues making friends outside the Church. The early church screwed a lot of people over, financially, politically, polygamy and otherwise. They were hated for a reason. Hate just doesn’t grow out of thin air. The top leaders of the Church are bullies and bully small towns into submission by taking legal action against them. I don’t recall Christ having a huge legal team.
@@tylerahlstrom4553 If the Church actually spent their wealth on the homeless in Cali and places like Haiti, they would be a lot less hated. If they didn’t bully others and were more transparent they would be less hated. The Church behaves like a Corporation and not like Christ.
I don’t understand why the church would be mad at you for doing this video…. The honesty box actually makes the church more relatable to most and would probably have a lot more success in converting people than knocking on doors.
He discusses church doctrine and history regardless of whether it makes the church look good. The church tends to dislike any representation of them that isn't explicitly positive and faith promoting.
Growing up Mormon I was tortured by the conflict that God loves us more than we can comprehend, yet we have one short life and if we blow it, we go to a lower kingdom for eternity. Eternity! I thought that was the most cruel thing a God could do and I could not reconcile this. Nobody would answer my questions about it other than "We can't understand". I so hate that answer, what's to understand? Also, there is pressure on girls to dress modestly and the subtle message is because boys/men can't control themselves if we don't and I believe that's the root of misconduct by men towards women. I finally left because it just didn't add up.
Yeah that’s not the main reason we dress modestly. It is Gods wish for us to dress modestly not man’s. To cover your temple and keep it holy. What exactly do you think you’ll do in this lifetime that will get you banished? God has the right place for all of us depending on what level of growth we are at. He doesn’t expect you to be perfect just to work on one thing at time.
Nemo’s a standup guy and I really admire him, his work has been important in helping me take a more nuanced view of my faith and hopefully will influence the church to be more transparent and improve as an organization.
He wants to bring the church down. Rightly so. He straight up doesn’t believe and remains as a form of protest. He is in and GLARINGLY HONEST about the cultishness of LDS churches and will remain in until they excommunicate him.
What are your feeling about things like all the cities in the Mormon text just being anagrams of towns in the American Midwest from back then (many still exist), that Moroni is just the word Moron and I, or that you can tangibly be shown that Joseph Smith's translation of the hieroglyphics he saw (a language he probably assumed would never be translated, or not translated till after he died) is demonstrably wrong? Also just the CES letter in general. Some of his gripes are semantical on some level but many are extremely blatant evidence contradicting Joseph's/the church's narratives.
@macdonald2k when you meet somebody who thinks women of the church have hygiene issues and don't stop banging on about it and you know all the same people and all the women disagree with him you've gotta ask questions. Just one example mind.
@@hopkinsonebm3692 Can you provide a reference where he talks about that? From a few comments you've made, I'm guessing it is related to frequent yeast infections and UTIs among women who wear garments. Is that correct?
most compelling talk i have ever heard from the inner workings of religious communities. Often they come across "brainwashed" to outsiders due to mainly stern views on sacred text and referencing those to support their beliefs. This was an honest and frankly quite appealing insight into the Mormon church, and you gotta applaud the balls it took to do that. When such a huge part of your identity rests on the acts of your church, it can be quite vulnerable to be critical of it. Thanks
He's actively anti-mormon. Apparently keeps his name on the records for 'community reasons'. This was like asking a Democrat to answer questions about Republicans, or vice versa.
@@brentd273 which is why he was able to give such straightforward, honest, and true responses to each question. Having been a very active and believing member of the LDS faith myself, it took leaving for me to be truly honest about many of the contradictions and negative aspects of church doctrine, culture, and community. When you are in the middle of it you just have blinders up and refuse to acknowledge a lot of the issues, since you are told that those questions or doubts come from Satan’s evil influence and temptations. Very controlling mindset.
@@nathanolson8971 your response, this is why you nor he should be answering these kinds of questions. You don't view people who do believe or active participants as simply having a different point of view. But as a group of people actively blinded or deceived. People can see or hear the same thing and come to completely rational but different conclusions.
He has written several blogs attacking volunteers in the church who workful time.Have a family and spend a few hours a week helping out. He has absolutely slammed them for helping out. Genuinely nice people trying there best that and go writes about his experience with them and makes money from be negative. I think. He could act a little bit more like jesus and a little bit less like a corporation trying to get revenue from marketing.
Nemo is an anti-Mormon who makes money with his one-sided TH-cam channel to destroy the church by presenting facts in a one-sided way and sometimes twisting them. In the video he has proven this again several times. If someone were to report so maliciously and one-sidedly about Judaism, for example, then the term anti-Semite would apply.
I'm still active in the LDS church and I love NEMO! Our leaders need a big slap in the face and be more Christlike and less like the saducees and Pharisees. Other than that the members of the church are very good people! The people are the core of the church. Our leaders are behind and learning.
@@chrishumphries7489 The STRICT ignorant far right ones! You know who i mean. If you can't question your leaders then its wrong and a cult! The early christians that apostatized did very extreme serious sins not critisize the leaders. If the leaders are oing something wrong do you have the GUTs to speak and do the right thing? Or will you cowardly obey?
Dear Mormons, this was great! Nemo did a good job. We as Momrons need to be more Christlike and less cultlike! I wish I could take the cult out of the church. Wearing garments shuold be a choice. Making covenants in the temple should be full disclosure, if we make serious covenants we need to know what they are before we get there. It's come to CHrist not push and pull to christ. Take away the shame and guilt and educate the sinner not dicipline them. We should be able to question our leaders without the feer of apostacy or excommunication. I love the book of Mormon and still beleive that Joseph SMith was a good person. CHange starts within, our leaders will get there eventually.
@BenjaminPrestonBurton To me its not "blake in white" ike a stinky beautiful skunk! There are many options here! The LDS church was at one time ran by Jesus Christ through Joseph Smith and others... But he steps a way to see what man will DO from time to time! I think he does that will all religions, I mean he does have to take care of all his children!
@@Power_Prawnstar My family is in too deep! I love them. I'm like NEMO still active fight the fight on "the inside" to me religion and church and community is still good! Just ignore your leaders as they are Dumb asses! ALl religion is the same!
Fascinating, yes. Odd? No. You could say the same about almost any aspect of life whatsoever. It's ethnocentrism, essentially. You could be talking about race, class... even your favourite sports team - if you grow up around it, and have little exposure to other ideas, then all else will seem alien and incomprehensible. The interesting/frustrating thing is how few people are self-aware enough to actually realise this, and subsequently adjust their worldview.
I was raised with lots of religions due to exposure through school, friends religions and church camp that the locals would go to myself incl. born into mormonism and baptised at 8. And also largely away from all churches I made my own decision that mormonism was “correct” . There are some issues but where isn’t there ?
Former Mormon here (I'm 6th generation and most of my family is still active), with the dietary code, the "word of wisdom", he is correct that for a long time in the church it was just advisory. I'm pretty sure it didn't start to become mandatory until like the late 1930s, and I only know this because my grandmother, that grew up in north-eastern Utah, all the men in her family smoked and drank alcohol, and they were very active in the religion, and my grandmother drank regular tea up until the day she died (around 2003), and she was even a temple worker I was a lot like this guy when I was in the church, I left mostly for cultural and political reasons, the areas that I lived in were growing more and more conservative and even closer to ideologies of "rich evangelism", and didn't sit with my progressive views of Jesus that we were taught as kids, plus I was a single education woman over the age of 35, and I felt forgotten and not important, it was very isolating. But the seeds of discord really started in 2008 with proposition 8 in California (the state I'm from).
So funny... I missed the first word of your comment, "Former". I was reading like "wow, an active member that's willing to have an honest discussion about the religion, this is refreshing. And then I got to the second paragraph... oh, _exmormon_. It all makes sense now. I'm exmormon too and I really wish I could just sit down with a member and have a truly open, honest conversation about the church and its "interesting" history.
@@AdamTheJensenI'm an inactive Mormon, but still adhere to many beliefs. I think the reason most devout members, and myself included, don't want to discuss the churches history is because so much of it is vague and not all provable. It's difficult to know what is fact and what is fiction, both by the church and historians. There are two sides to every story, and then somewhere in the middle is the real truth, and it's hard to find that middle if not impossible.
@@jonok42 I also used to believe that church history was vague and unprovable. Turns out, it isn't. We literally have access to many, many original documents. The Book of Mormon Isaiah chapters match the KJV, and not the Dead Sea Scrolls. The original manuscript of the Book of Abraham has translation notes in the margins, including the Egyptian characters Joseph claimed to translate, and all egyptologists (including Mormon ones!) agree that the translation is wrong. We have records of Joseph Smith's command to destroy the Nauvoo Expositor for exposing Joseph's polygamy (which was actually happening). We have records of Joseph marrying minors as young as 14, and we know that WASN'T normal then either. I could go on for hours, but the point is the church wants you to believe that it's all a matter of faith. It isn't. We actually have many, many reliable records that show us Joseph was a fraud.
I get such a kick out of people explaining things about their religion. All the answers begin with "Well, it depends...." My driving instructor said the same thing every time he was asked a question. My physics teacher said the same thing every time he was asked a question. My grandmother said the same thing every time I asked her a question when she was teaching me how to cook an apple pie. My father said the same thing when he taught me how to change the oil in my car.
My husband and I met these 2 sweet young men in full suits and formal wear in the middle of a forest preserve on our hike 😭 We were kind and had a conversation with them but we generally felt bad because so many people walked right by them and everyone deserves human connection 😢 especially young people out in the world
Thank you for being 100% honest!!!! Kudos to you! This is so refreshing since most Mormons I've met either deny or reason away these issues within the church. I was a Mormon for 27 years and I'm so grateful to have found freedom in Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible alone. Thank God for the gospel of grace through faith alone, in Christ alone. Biblical Christianity has been the best freeing decision of my life
@@ronagracebatt He blatantly lied multiple times in the video, and calling him honest is not just laughable-it's downright insulting. What's worse, Nemo is fully aware of this, but why would he care? The more damage he does to the church, the more applause-and money-he rakes in.
So... members who say they worked through the problems they encountered with the church are just lying? (or at least not being honest). That's what your saying. Do you really believe that? Because....yikes
As a former member of the mainstream LDS church reading the comments, I rewatched this video and analyzed his answers. Many of the questions and answers are subjective, so he can't be definitively wrong about his own thoughts and viewpoints; when he provides an answer based on rumor or anecdote, he acknowledges that; to the extent he amswers questions that are objective and verifiable, his answers are accurate and correct, occasionally he focuses on a singular aspect based on his own experience and perspective (such as what goes on in the temple) which is a completely honest way to answer, yes it is a partial answer, but its honest on that he only speaks to what he knows rather than trying to fill in what he doesnt know. Overall, the criticisms that he is dishonest or spreading misinformation are completely false and off base, and clearly coming from current members being defensive. Nemo is honest and accurate throughout the entire video.
First off, how do you even get a question about garment length wrong unless you're *trying* to mess it up on purpose? He even brought it up *twice*, so don't try to let him off the hook. And it doesn't stop there. Nemo blatantly lied multiple times during the interview. His absurd claims about the church’s involvement in electroshock therapy or why they had to leave Kirtland are enough to make anyone question his so-called expertise. He completely disqualified himself and revealed his true, destructive intentions.
@NoteworthyAnalysis your "First Off" is something so trivial as garment length, which has changed over the years, so while it may not be currently technically and specifically accurate to date, it isn't a lie. As to why they left kirtland, you're just choosing to believe the story church authorities tell you, which are biased at the very least. At best, yours and the church's story can't be completely verified and is disputed by other witnesses to the events. Try again....after you've worked on some critical thinking skills and considered other testimony to the historical facts.
@@mattmower6370 Wow. Seriously? Aren’t you even a little embarrassed? Defending a liar or just that out of touch? 1. The garment doesn’t even reach the elbow-especially not for women. Nemo wasn’t asked about garment length from a century ago. 2. Kirtland wasn’t abandoned because of polygamy; any decent historian could tell you that. 3. Yes, there was an electroshock study at BYU in the '70s involving 14 people. To claim the church was “shocking the gayness” out of members is pure fiction. And that’s just the start of the list. Honestly, how can you sit here defending Nemo as if he’s not bending the truth? How far gone do you have to be for that? Pathetic.
@@NoteworthyAnalysis you're the pathetic one, defending a cult like the Mormon church, you disgust me with the lies and crimes that church commits, the SA, the tax fraud. GTFO with your BS
I appreciate this man's honesty and clear thinking. Our world needs more of this. Unfortunately, all religions are absurd and Mormonism is no different.
Agreed. Did God really want people to give tithings to rent out a warehouse to Amazon and amass great wealth? Obvs I realise this extends across many religions.
The LDS Church actually got fined by the SEC for obfuscating its staggering $200 billion wealth which is hidden in the commercial arm "Ensign Peak Advisors" and its shady 12 shell sub companies. The church does not declare its wealth even to its members.
As of the Livestream he did yesterday, he has not been excommunicated. The council hasn't happened yet. He may not be excommunicated ever, as an official decision isn't supposed to be made until the council meets, and he will plead his case. He could receive church discipline but stay a member, or nothing could happen at all. But it is most likely, in my opinion, based on what has happened to similar members, he will be excommunicated. Also, it's only speculation that this interview is the reason. The official reason is that he was trying to shake the faith of the high council through his emails (he wasn't trying to do that). The official reason is shaky, in my opinion, and it's probably another reason, but he's done a lot of truth telling, not just this video, so it could be a number of things.
This guy sounds less like a Mormon and more like a sceptic. Appreciate this so much and feel sad he’s apparently been shunned by his family and friends.
Worth 2.2B, takes 10% of your income. defo 100% not a cult Edit: I know alot of religions do the same but not always compulsory, though heavily pushed. I am not religious.
@Looney-toon Yes. It's just rare and more problematic for it to be required spiritually and be a specific percentage of your income. A charitable organization may ask for its members to donate to keep them going or provide more services and that wouldn't be so bad. But if they required a percentage of your total income under threat of burning in hell or being cut off from friends and family, that's not so good. It's pretty obviously different.
@@jelyfisher let me guess, you are a mormon and you got that info from other mormons who also discouraged you from looking into it yourself. Just accept and believe within the echo chamber and never think or look things for yourself. That is one of the qualities of a cult, after all.
This is a very self-aware Mormon. Most of the Mormons I have met would answer no to the questions about about being brainwashed, having doubts, or thinking about leaving. Bravo to this man for his honesty.
@@joaop.barata6062 no, that’s actually the norm. I would know, having been one myself haha but Nemo has already figured out the real church history and fraud, but stays so that he can be a unique voice for change. He clearly doesn’t believe it, but stays close and watches so he can call out the church leadership when they make massive errors and try to cover them up or hide them
Your standard for a Mormon being self aware is they are required to agree to having been brainwashed?! Interesting bigotry. Automatic assumption and insistence about the state of lots of other people you clearly don't care if they ever get to advocate for their own personal testimony.
I found this very interesting. His views etc were very open and refreshing. I think he does more good than harm for the LDS due to his honesty. Also, I loved the way he flicked the cards over the table when he'd answered the questions..
I think he's mentioned that she is a very private person so he doesn't share much about her to respect that. From what I've gathered she's in a similar place in her faith as Nemo.
When a Mormon comes to my door, I just give them food and water. I'm generally just worried about their safety and wellbeing. One has yet to say no to my offer and they completely forget to preach to me.
I'm an exmormon who served a mission. I know what it's like so I try to be kind, but I always turn them away. I should follow your example though. Honestly, we need more humans like you on this planet!
I can definitely believe the musical created new members, I did absolutely have a ball laughing but by the end I was very curious about Mormonism. Had a few chats with some, didn't join but definitely became more curious
What a well rounded approach to answering hard questions. Honest, upfront, clear, and more than likely he’ll be punished by the church for this approach. Even though this approach is exactly the correct path forward for its continued success.
Hard to say if he will be. He has content that is very critical of the church on his channel and hasn't (to my knowledge) had formal discipline yet. But this could be the straw.
@@TwoTreesVisuals Nemo lives from his criticism of the church. He is not interested in the truth. The fact that Ladbible has invited such an extremist, who in no way has even a rudimentary balanced view and clearly distorts many aspects, is really sad.
@@TwoTreesVisuals Nemo lied multiple times in the video, and "Ward Radio" did a thorough job debunking these fabrications under the keyword "Nemo," exposing several blatant falsehoods that he should have known better than to spread. If someone still can’t see that, they’re simply choosing to remain willfully blind. Do yourself a favor-check it out and get informed.
@@NoteworthyAnalysisif you think watching anything from ward radio is informative then I just learned a lot about you. All his stuff was debunked however you can’t name anything?
The church had abused and degraded women and children for years and it still continues. I got out at 24. I couldn’t even finish this video without my stomach turning.
Nemo has MASSIVE spuds for doing this, you only know if you were in that church to know, you can even see the current Mormons in the comments that literally can't fathom that their cult might be wrong.
Just an FYI, the church have arranged a disciplinary council for this man, which will almost certainly result in his excommunication. Shameful for a church to exile honest people who want to improve the church
I would live to hear him talk about the differences between church organization and the gospel/doctrinal teachings. Many people conflate the two as the same thing, and that becomes an issue when people base their faith in Christ on not the divine gospel but instead on their interactions within a human (and thus inherently flawed) church structure.
Polygamy is 100% still practiced by mormon fundamentalists and not just the most famous of these groups: the FLDS. The Centennial Park Group, The Kingston Group (or DCCS or "the order"), the AUB, the Neilson Naylor Group, the TLC group, The Blackmore Group, and The Church of the Firstborn (aka LeBaron group iykyk) all still practice and preach polygamy. I'm probably forgetting some but these are off the top of my head. Mormons (not the man in this video obviously) love to act like this stereotype is unfounded and like it's a "thing of the past" but it is still very much practiced and these cult groups are still very much in control of their member's lives and psyches. There is child abuse, underage marriage, spousal abuse, rape, elder abuse, etc. still happening today.
I just think of Warren Jeffs, Lori Vallow, Michael Height who took the life of family and himself in Eenoc,and Kouri Richins who murdered her husband with fentanyl and then wrote a children’s book about how to deal with their grief .. thank you for answering these questions. I thought they all believed the same thing
For anybody not familiar with this church and the way it behaves, it has just excommunicated Nemo for reasons it entirely made up and for which it provided no evidence, just allegations
Knew a friend in my teens, who was being encouraged to join all her family were interested. I heard the info started out thinking very little about the ‘church’ and thought it was nonsense. My friend I felt wasn’t using critical thinking.
Also in 2015 Leaders or the LDS church said it was a “policy” children of same sex couple could not get baptized at 8 and had to wait until 18 or so. Then a couple years ago they changed it back to it was now ok. Not 100% on the dates. Thanks Nemo! You’re awesome.
@@joaop.barata6062 God should give better policies. The church leaders claim to receive guidance for the policies they institute. Every time there is something new, they talk about how inspired this is and that we just have to trust the prophet since they won’t lead us astray. But then when they turn around and change it, they say that was just the prophet speaking as a man, and it wasn’t doctrinal. Prophets speaking for god is doctrinal. Why would god give them the ok for such a terrible policy? And what kind of awful and hateful doctrine would allow for a policy like that to feel like the right move? Getting hung up on whether an awful act of discrimination like that is “doctrine” or “policy” is a thought stopping exercise to prevent true believing Mormons from having to think critically about the issues. I’ve been there and I even accepted that “policy” as a test of faith to see who would follow the prophet.. because I was indoctrinated to accept everything church leaders say without truly questioning them.
never in my entire life have i seen a cognitive dissonance so composed and calm. how on earth has a person this intelligent, curious and capable of critical thinking not yet figured out that this whole thing is just like any other cult based on man-made fiction? this guy is breaking my own brain as i'm typing this.
What really busts my brain is why people like yourself watch these types of videos? If you don't like or believe in any faith just don't watch, and don't be involved, and politely tell anyone who comes to your home that you are not interested, and want them to never come back to your home. Ask to be put on their no contact list.
I was part of the Church from the age of about 13 to 19, because I lived in a town where there wasn't many other kids my age, an my parents didnt do anything church related, I made friends with other kids who were mormon, an I will say...the members were super friendly (like the parents of my friends, the other kids my ages, etc) but the leaders of the local branch, as well as the ward, an the overall Church itself, were very....well, lets just say there was a reason I left once I was like 18-19
They also generally speaking cause a lot of collective damage. I'm sure the everyday regular people are great. But you cannot take a religion founded by a predator, run by multiple predators and make it good.
If you want another close look at Mormonism, there's a youtuber called Alyssa Grenfell who talks a lot about her experience in and out of the church. She's talked about 'mormon kindness' and I think it's really interesting how she says its more or less all a preamble to getting people open to talking about Christ.
They are very nice because their faith is one of work . Meaning you better work hard and be a good Mormon so you can get your own planet and your celestial wife and populate a planet of your own.
@@CassVanCat I mostly agree with what you're saying. At the end of the day it's a community that lives on lies and isn't quite what they say they preach.
He is a member. Go watch his videos. He was denied a temple recommend because he questioned the church. His bishop and stake president could not give him answers. So, he was told to email to the first presidency. He got a few emails from Dallin Oaks.
@macdonald2k I can't verify that he's out of the church entirely, but he can easily say he's still in the church but not actually be. Either way, he's lying about what he presents in this video.
@macdonald2k one example of what? That he lied? How about saying that the church president owns all the money and that it is his corporation? First off, that's not even how normal corporations work; y'all should see that one right off the bat. Second, he knows damn well that the financial decisions of the church are not dictated by a single person and never have been.
I grew up culturally catholic, but I haven’t believed in or been a part of the church since I was maybe 11 years old? Today I’m 32 and I can still recite prayers perfectly. We’re all indoctrinated into something in a way…
You all may be interested to know that just a month after this interview, this man is facing a disciplinary hearing by his church and is likely going to be excommunicated.
As an ex member, not shocked, I think he expected it too.
@@EbisuMonster I love Nemo. I haven't watched enough of his content to understand if he's still totally in. However, he just did a Mormon story 9/11/24 about it and he doesn't want to be excommunicated. He's a thorough researcher IMO. -exmo
Excommunicated for being honest. Wonderful look for Mormonism.
@@robertb6889 For digging into stuff we aren't supposed to question is more like it.
Cults gonna cult
This is the kind of PR the mormon church should be paying for. This open honesty would be more effective than their current PR tactics.
someone said hes facing a disciplinary hearing by his church and is likely going to be excommunicated.
@@laneyes6759he was excommunicated a few weeks ago
Not really. I'm constantly wondering what he is doing with them, when he keeps telling us about the fucked up shit they do. And you know there is more going on.
He's far more realistic/open about the church than I thought he'd be, based on my experience with LDS members his age and older. I appreciate that.
@@acmiller22 he’s not an active member of the church.
@@rachelsmith8731 He is an active member but is experiencing unofficial restrictions on some aspects of his participation from his local leaders against his will. Like many other active members he has serious concerns with the Church's far too many dysfunctions and shines a light on them in his podcast.
@@rachelsmith8731 He is! He's stated in multiple videos that he attends meetings weekly. He's just not a typical believer.
@@rachelsmith8731 You don't know what you are talking about. He is active. However, for the crime of being honest, he is now being excommunicated by the LDS church.
He looks to be getting forcibly excommunicated this month for his honesty and his expectation that church leaders be honest.
There’s a reason many Mormons dodge theses facts. 1. Many are lied to about them. 2. If you speak up about the lies they kick you out.
I admire this man's willingness to examine himself critically, examine his beliefs critically, examine his church critically and then talk so honestly about it. That's an integrity we could all benefit from, regardless of what we believe about Mormonism.
He is an activist that the church is scared to excommunicate. Literally. It's awesome.
I greatly enjoyed this video and how critical and sincere he was. But specially how we wasn’t comparing his religion to others. Is there anything bad or you don’t agree with? Are they brainwashing you? Yes, like any other religion or any other situation in life, but he behaved greatly just giving his opinion and not comparing.
He's an Anti-Mormon, and a mean-spirited one at that.
@@GldnClawHe should be it's a fucking cult
He’s the red pill
Ex bishop here, been out for 6 months. Nemo told nothing but the truth. He's now been "excommunicated" for telling the truth. The mormon equivalent of being shunned!
Nemo said LADbible has been very proactive in supporting him; made counseling available if needed and even offered to remove this video!
Very cool to hear LADbible are this serious about ethics and that protecting participants is a top priority.
And knowing what would happen after this interview. For those who don't know; Nemo got excommunicated.
@@ShinbrigTVFinally! 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I respect this dude, because his gonads are freaking massive for doing what he does within the LDS Church. I was a member, but left for some of the reasons he mentioned already. Most LDS people are not as informed as he is and will mostly just blind follow everything their leaders say. But, there are people within the church, like him and others, that stay. Not because they agree with it 100 percent, but because without them, no positive change can happen at local levels. When I grew up, 8 year old girls would be alone in a room, with no camera protection, with middle age men talking about their sexual desires because children cannot participate is certian things within the church even if they masturbate. I actually didn't even realize much of this was happening until after I left the church. But, there are kind and open minded people within the church. This gentlemen is fighting a fight that is garnering him lots of enemies in the church. Takes a lot of guts to do what he is doing. Keep on fighting for equality in the church my man!
I was baptized in the LDS church in Jan of 1975. Not one single person asked me at that age if I had masturbated, and no one to this very day asks 8 year old children if they masturbate! How wrong would that be! Yes, teens were asked that previously. It is now banned, and no one has to meet with the bishop alone. Children and teens may now be accompanied by their parents.
@@jonok42 I am happy that the church has come to their senses, but there were people literally ex-communicated for pushing for the common sense right for children to not be alone with creepy bishops. (And there are people still being ex-communicated for pushing similar rights in other areas today) And then, the church leadership claims it is revelations from god for the big changes instead of givin people credit fighting for them from the inside. The more you know, I guess. But, if people are happy within it, then great. I'm not here to judge people. But, it should be noted that the modern day LDS church senors a lot of their unfavorable history, both modern and past.
As someone who is currently a member of the Mormon church and falling away from the beliefs, you have NO IDEA how brave Nemo is by doing this. Leaving is almost impossible and it is SO HARD when your family, your entire community, everyone you love, basically turns their back on you if you don't want to be a member anymore... I have to be SO careful and quiet... Luckily my husband is there with me...
You can do it. Get out of that cult your worth more than that .
@@toric.3793 Of course, anyone can decide to leave religion behind. But if this decision is based on the information that Nemo has shared here in the video, then I can only recommend that you take another close look before you do this, because Nemo has shared an extreme amount of clearly refuted untruths.
Wouldn't be hard for me, I'd just leave. Seriously, just leave, create a new life somewhere else. Forget the morons you leave behind.
@dannygallaghermisc7593 They have to decide whether it's worth it to leave everyone and everything they love, especially in instances where they are not harmed by that.
@@captlanc isnt it wasting your life in a lie? Thats definitely harming them id say
For all of the members of the church saying he is lying about this or that; ask yourself how you know it’s a lie. If the answer is because you’ve never heard it before, look into doing some open minded and objective research on your own. You may be surprised. There are reasons we haven’t heard these things.
@anthill1510 what about reading something that not specifically written by the church? Surely u understand how bias works
@@hippychicken82 I said "START WITH reading the essays". Members of the church are not allowed to read non-Mormon sources, so it makes more sense to point them to read a Mormon source.
@@anthill1510 doesn't that just point out the clearly obvious reason on how and why it controls it memebers. I mean yes I see what ur saying but I'm just pointing out the obvious control issues the church has.
@@hippychicken82 Yes, I am forced to point to a church source because the church controls it`s members. I totally agree with you. That`s not the point. The comment was made for believing Mormons and if they will read anything it will be something approved by the church, so I am pointing them to that.
@@anthill1510 yes 💗
I respect Nemo so much for doing this video and being willing to get introuble with it.
He was 100% honest, neither critical or apologetic. Nemo stated facts, historical examples and unarguable statements.
If the Mormon church believes he should be excommunicated for this it only speaks I’ll of the Mormon church and nothing else.
I am a Mormon from Finland and I appreciate this video. :) I also think mostly "out of the box" and believe that we should be more honest about some of the difficult topics
agree, all religions have complex pasts that they need to face up to
I'm a mormon too and I am not at all surprised by what this man is saying here. I'm kind of surprised that he is facing excommunication for saying these things.
@@jeanmc4213 its because its a cult, and it and most members are secretly much more punitive than they say they are...
@@helenr4300 Not a religion. An easily identifiable shitty cult.
I think the difference between a church and a cult is if you can leave and if you loose all your relationships when you leave.
My work is a cult then.
@@hopkinsonebm3692 I'm sorry to hear that.
@@hopkinsonebm3692get out while you still can!!! This is so toxic. Start a new life before the work consumes you
Yes and it's why he's being threatened with excommunication and will be seen as anti mormon so will loose family ties so basically it's a cult.
That's an interesting perspective. It's true about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that there is a very strong social component. However, in my personal experience, no one is ostracized for leaving the Church. I have many friends who have left with whom I keep close contact.
There's sadness when a member of the Church leaves, but there's no shunning (obviously there are exceptions).
What a likeable chap, clear and considered
In the early 2000’s one of my friends came out to the congregation and was immediately sent to a “camp”. I visited her there a couple weeks later and she looked like a ghost, hollowed out and completely defeated. After another week of asking around about her and discovering what they were doing to her I left the church. I’ve never regretted that decision, though I miss the community every day.
What did they do at that camp?
@ They taught her to look at her attraction to women as a perversion and a sin and trained her to be a good housewife for her future husband. They reprogrammed her like faulty software. I didn’t get back in touch with her after I sobered up, but I could guess that she’s either an abused housewife or she took her own life. Those are the two most likely outcomes
Religious people should welcome doubt with open arms because if it subsequently disproves your beliefs, then the religion isn't for you, and if it doesn't, then it just further validates and strengthens your beliefs. To ask people to ignore their doubt is to ask them to surrender their mind. This video is incredible.
Religion, like magic, doesn't hold up well to critical thinking. Fostering doubt and thoughtful questions will drive away more members than it attracts. That affects the church's coffers and therefore is discouraged.
Too often people see doubt as the opposite of faith. I disagree, I see the opposite of faith as certainty - I am either certain that this seat will take my weight or I need faith that it will. The Bible in Hebrews 11 explains faith as what we have when we cannot have certainty. In contrast I believe faith and doubt are sides of the same coin - they need each other. Doubt helps us refine our faith - and faith enables us to hold our doubts. There are things we can know for certain and take no faith, there are things that we hold by faith, and for that faith to be strong needs to be able to cope with doubt. Whilst doubt will at some point leave us having to accept that which we cannot know, and can only believe.
Denying doubt and questions undermines faith, embracing the questions we have can deepen faith.
That is so true (and I am a member)
Just a month after this video released, Nemo got excommunicated from the church for his continuous questioning of church finances, treatment of women, treatment of gays, the church’s racist history and how they swept abuse under the rug
Not surprised I’ve had family members excommunicated for similar reasons.
which sounds like a group (in tandem with the outlandish origins) we want to be a part of..... 🤡
That’s not why. However I disagree with the official reason
@@princessadora what was the official reason?
A very grounded, astute, emotionally intelligent man. It feels like he already has one foot out of the door, from my perspective, but all the best to him on the path he chooses.
Excellent interview. Nemo is a real hero, I've been watching him for years.
One of the best ones so far. Great job mate
Nemo, excellent, excellent job! Bravo 👏 I commend you for doing this interview! Love all of your work!
I think you guys should bring him on again after the church excommunicates him. Then do a box about it. The church literally does this every time someone criticizes it. For example, when black people were prevented the Priesthood, people were saying the church needed to change that and got excommunicated
I was raised orthodox LDS and lived it for 40 years (I have since stepped away) and nothing he said was incorrect.
I disagree. I’m not sure what you mean by orthodox. I don’t know we were subdivided into groups in the church. I’m a member and find his responses to be oversimplified and skewed to the worse possible interpretation of the facts.
@@tylerahlstrom4553 Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I, unfortunately, can identify a LOT of subdivisional labels within the church: Convert, Less-Active, Inactive, Return Missionary, Endowed, Temple-Worthy, not Temple-Worthy, Mission Field, etc. The list goes on and on. But my personal experience as living as an LDS member both throughout my childhood and adulthood was very orthodox (strictly keeping to traditional doctrine or ritual).
Thanks for your response. By that definition, then I’d guess I’d say I’m pretty Orthodox too, or active would be a better description. I found Nemo’s presentation to be a straw man, where he presents enough credible information for the appearance of factual information, but skews it to his perspective painting the church in a negative light. He gets a lot of things wrong too. We did not move from town to town primarily for polygamy. An argument can be made for leaving Nauvoo that polygamy was a big reason, but all the other moves were not about polygamy. Also he says we wear garments to our elbows. He also just emphasizes things that support his conclusions and doesn’t point out things that give proper context to situations. Withholding evidence that doesn’t support your narrative doesn’t strike me as unbiased or honest.
@@tylerahlstrom4553 Yeah he got the elbow thing wrong but that wasn’t anything significant to the question. The polygamy thing was wrong as well but the Church has always had issues making friends outside the Church. The early church screwed a lot of people over, financially, politically, polygamy and otherwise. They were hated for a reason. Hate just doesn’t grow out of thin air. The top leaders of the Church are bullies and bully small towns into submission by taking legal action against them. I don’t recall Christ having a huge legal team.
@@tylerahlstrom4553 If the Church actually spent their wealth on the homeless in Cali and places like Haiti, they would be a lot less hated. If they didn’t bully others and were more transparent they would be less hated. The Church behaves like a Corporation and not like Christ.
I don’t understand why the church would be mad at you for doing this video…. The honesty box actually makes the church more relatable to most and would probably have a lot more success in converting people than knocking on doors.
bc he is no longer with the church.
They won't. He's just self promoting
Hmmm yeah ....No 😂
Because they’d prefer to hide everything and lie, unfortunately. Many people have been excommunicated for speaking out.
He discusses church doctrine and history regardless of whether it makes the church look good. The church tends to dislike any representation of them that isn't explicitly positive and faith promoting.
Growing up Mormon I was tortured by the conflict that God loves us more than we can comprehend, yet we have one short life and if we blow it, we go to a lower kingdom for eternity. Eternity! I thought that was the most cruel thing a God could do and I could not reconcile this. Nobody would answer my questions about it other than "We can't understand". I so hate that answer, what's to understand? Also, there is pressure on girls to dress modestly and the subtle message is because boys/men can't control themselves if we don't and I believe that's the root of misconduct by men towards women. I finally left because it just didn't add up.
Yeah that’s not the main reason we dress modestly. It is Gods wish for us to dress modestly not man’s. To cover your temple and keep it holy. What exactly do you think you’ll do in this lifetime that will get you banished? God has the right place for all of us depending on what level of growth we are at. He doesn’t expect you to be perfect just to work on one thing at time.
Nemo’s a standup guy and I really admire him, his work has been important in helping me take a more nuanced view of my faith and hopefully will influence the church to be more transparent and improve as an organization.
He wants to bring the church down. Rightly so. He straight up doesn’t believe and remains as a form of protest. He is in and GLARINGLY HONEST about the cultishness of LDS churches and will remain in until they excommunicate him.
What are your feeling about things like all the cities in the Mormon text just being anagrams of towns in the American Midwest from back then (many still exist), that Moroni is just the word Moron and I, or that you can tangibly be shown that Joseph Smith's translation of the hieroglyphics he saw (a language he probably assumed would never be translated, or not translated till after he died) is demonstrably wrong?
Also just the CES letter in general. Some of his gripes are semantical on some level but many are extremely blatant evidence contradicting Joseph's/the church's narratives.
I've met him and I couldn't disagree more. That's just my opinion of a person I know in real life.
@macdonald2k when you meet somebody who thinks women of the church have hygiene issues and don't stop banging on about it and you know all the same people and all the women disagree with him you've gotta ask questions. Just one example mind.
@@hopkinsonebm3692 Can you provide a reference where he talks about that?
From a few comments you've made, I'm guessing it is related to frequent yeast infections and UTIs among women who wear garments. Is that correct?
most compelling talk i have ever heard from the inner workings of religious communities. Often they come across "brainwashed" to outsiders due to mainly stern views on sacred text and referencing those to support their beliefs. This was an honest and frankly quite appealing insight into the Mormon church, and you gotta applaud the balls it took to do that. When such a huge part of your identity rests on the acts of your church, it can be quite vulnerable to be critical of it. Thanks
He's actively anti-mormon. Apparently keeps his name on the records for 'community reasons'. This was like asking a Democrat to answer questions about Republicans, or vice versa.
@@brentd273 which is why he was able to give such straightforward, honest, and true responses to each question. Having been a very active and believing member of the LDS faith myself, it took leaving for me to be truly honest about many of the contradictions and negative aspects of church doctrine, culture, and community. When you are in the middle of it you just have blinders up and refuse to acknowledge a lot of the issues, since you are told that those questions or doubts come from Satan’s evil influence and temptations. Very controlling mindset.
@@nathanolson8971 your response, this is why you nor he should be answering these kinds of questions. You don't view people who do believe or active participants as simply having a different point of view. But as a group of people actively blinded or deceived. People can see or hear the same thing and come to completely rational but different conclusions.
He has written several blogs attacking volunteers in the church who workful time.Have a family and spend a few hours a week helping out. He has absolutely slammed them for helping out. Genuinely nice people trying there best that and go writes about his experience with them and makes money from be negative. I think.
He could act a little bit more like jesus and a little bit less like a corporation trying to get revenue from marketing.
Nemo is an anti-Mormon who makes money with his one-sided TH-cam channel to destroy the church by presenting facts in a one-sided way and sometimes twisting them. In the video he has proven this again several times. If someone were to report so maliciously and one-sidedly about Judaism, for example, then the term anti-Semite would apply.
Nemo is incredibly intellectually honest and is definitely worth a follow.
I disagree.
I also disagree.
I'm still active in the LDS church and I love NEMO! Our leaders need a big slap in the face and be more Christlike and less like the saducees and Pharisees. Other than that the members of the church are very good people! The people are the core of the church. Our leaders are behind and learning.
@@99blackbirds What leaders are you talking about and why/how do they need a slap in the face?
Do you know how the early Christians apostatized?
@@chrishumphries7489 The STRICT ignorant far right ones! You know who i mean. If you can't question your leaders then its wrong and a cult! The early christians that apostatized did very extreme serious sins not critisize the leaders. If the leaders are oing something wrong do you have the GUTs to speak and do the right thing? Or will you cowardly obey?
Nemo is a gem - trying to change the church from the inside. Love this guy
Dear Mormons, this was great! Nemo did a good job.
We as Momrons need to be more Christlike and less cultlike! I wish I could take the cult out of the church. Wearing garments shuold be a choice. Making covenants in the temple should be full disclosure, if we make serious covenants we need to know what they are before we get there. It's come to CHrist not push and pull to christ. Take away the shame and guilt and educate the sinner not dicipline them. We should be able to question our leaders without the feer of apostacy or excommunication. I love the book of Mormon and still beleive that Joseph SMith was a good person. CHange starts within, our leaders will get there eventually.
@BenjaminPrestonBurton To me its not "blake in white" ike a stinky beautiful skunk! There are many options here! The LDS church was at one time ran by Jesus Christ through Joseph Smith and others... But he steps a way to see what man will DO from time to time! I think he does that will all religions, I mean he does have to take care of all his children!
Ypu just need to get out mate, it's a lie, and your the mark. Just leave
@@Power_Prawnstar My family is in too deep! I love them. I'm like NEMO still active fight the fight on "the inside" to me religion and church and community is still good! Just ignore your leaders as they are Dumb asses! ALl religion is the same!
@@99blackbirds No one should ever have to live a lie mate, good luck
What do you think about orrin porter rockwell?
Isn’t it odd and fascinating that majority of people believe they were born into the right religion?
No?
Most people believe they were born into the right beliefs, religious or not.
Fascinating, yes. Odd? No. You could say the same about almost any aspect of life whatsoever. It's ethnocentrism, essentially. You could be talking about race, class... even your favourite sports team - if you grow up around it, and have little exposure to other ideas, then all else will seem alien and incomprehensible.
The interesting/frustrating thing is how few people are self-aware enough to actually realise this, and subsequently adjust their worldview.
I was raised with lots of religions due to exposure through school, friends religions and church camp that the locals would go to myself incl. born into mormonism and baptised at 8. And also largely away from all churches I made my own decision that mormonism was “correct” . There are some issues but where isn’t there ?
The Mormon church should be proud to have a member who is so honest and articulate. Wish him the best.
He's very level headed and open about all the dirty of the religion and I appreciate it.
Great stuff Nemo!! You are the perfect PR bridge between the church and secular world. Keep it up!
I've learned something new today!
Thank you for sharing and being open to answer the questions 👍🏼
I’m a member and I agree a million percent with everything this guy said. Well done, sir. ❤
Former Mormon here (I'm 6th generation and most of my family is still active), with the dietary code, the "word of wisdom", he is correct that for a long time in the church it was just advisory. I'm pretty sure it didn't start to become mandatory until like the late 1930s, and I only know this because my grandmother, that grew up in north-eastern Utah, all the men in her family smoked and drank alcohol, and they were very active in the religion, and my grandmother drank regular tea up until the day she died (around 2003), and she was even a temple worker
I was a lot like this guy when I was in the church, I left mostly for cultural and political reasons, the areas that I lived in were growing more and more conservative and even closer to ideologies of "rich evangelism", and didn't sit with my progressive views of Jesus that we were taught as kids, plus I was a single education woman over the age of 35, and I felt forgotten and not important, it was very isolating. But the seeds of discord really started in 2008 with proposition 8 in California (the state I'm from).
So funny... I missed the first word of your comment, "Former". I was reading like "wow, an active member that's willing to have an honest discussion about the religion, this is refreshing. And then I got to the second paragraph... oh, _exmormon_. It all makes sense now. I'm exmormon too and I really wish I could just sit down with a member and have a truly open, honest conversation about the church and its "interesting" history.
@@AdamTheJensenI'm an inactive Mormon, but still adhere to many beliefs.
I think the reason most devout members, and myself included, don't want to discuss the churches history is because so much of it is vague and not all provable.
It's difficult to know what is fact and what is fiction, both by the church and historians. There are two sides to every story, and then somewhere in the middle is the real truth, and it's hard to find that middle if not impossible.
@@jonok42 I also used to believe that church history was vague and unprovable. Turns out, it isn't. We literally have access to many, many original documents. The Book of Mormon Isaiah chapters match the KJV, and not the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The original manuscript of the Book of Abraham has translation notes in the margins, including the Egyptian characters Joseph claimed to translate, and all egyptologists (including Mormon ones!) agree that the translation is wrong.
We have records of Joseph Smith's command to destroy the Nauvoo Expositor for exposing Joseph's polygamy (which was actually happening). We have records of Joseph marrying minors as young as 14, and we know that WASN'T normal then either.
I could go on for hours, but the point is the church wants you to believe that it's all a matter of faith. It isn't. We actually have many, many reliable records that show us Joseph was a fraud.
@@AdamTheJensenI’m a member and honest we are not all blinded
Your grandmother shouldnt have been doing that no wonder the temple workers are grumpy if they aren’t following the rules
I get such a kick out of people explaining things about their religion. All the answers begin with "Well, it depends...."
My driving instructor said the same thing every time he was asked a question.
My physics teacher said the same thing every time he was asked a question.
My grandmother said the same thing every time I asked her a question when she was teaching me how to cook an apple pie.
My father said the same thing when he taught me how to change the oil in my car.
Life can be complex. There are few if any things that are true in every situation. It sounds like you have wise people in your life.
Ask a lawyer, in law school, the right answer always begins with "it depends...." Lol
God deals in shades of grey and every aspect must be considered in each singular situation. Satan deals in black and whites.
My husband and I met these 2 sweet young men in full suits and formal wear in the middle of a forest preserve on our hike 😭 We were kind and had a conversation with them but we generally felt bad because so many people walked right by them and everyone deserves human connection 😢 especially young people out in the world
Love Nemo the Mormon! He speaks the truth and I admire him so much!
Ask the people close to him and they will tell you the opposite.
@@hopkinsonebm3692 what do you mean?
@@aromaathome does he speak truth, like the Germans believed mein kampf was truth?
Thank you for being 100% honest!!!! Kudos to you! This is so refreshing since most Mormons I've met either deny or reason away these issues within the church. I was a Mormon for 27 years and I'm so grateful to have found freedom in Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible alone. Thank God for the gospel of grace through faith alone, in Christ alone. Biblical Christianity has been the best freeing decision of my life
Praise God!
I know him, he isn't honest. I really wish he was.
@@ronagracebatt He blatantly lied multiple times in the video, and calling him honest is not just laughable-it's downright insulting. What's worse, Nemo is fully aware of this, but why would he care? The more damage he does to the church, the more applause-and money-he rakes in.
So... members who say they worked through the problems they encountered with the church are just lying? (or at least not being honest). That's what your saying. Do you really believe that? Because....yikes
Show me the lies.
As a former member of the mainstream LDS church reading the comments, I rewatched this video and analyzed his answers. Many of the questions and answers are subjective, so he can't be definitively wrong about his own thoughts and viewpoints; when he provides an answer based on rumor or anecdote, he acknowledges that; to the extent he amswers questions that are objective and verifiable, his answers are accurate and correct, occasionally he focuses on a singular aspect based on his own experience and perspective (such as what goes on in the temple) which is a completely honest way to answer, yes it is a partial answer, but its honest on that he only speaks to what he knows rather than trying to fill in what he doesnt know.
Overall, the criticisms that he is dishonest or spreading misinformation are completely false and off base, and clearly coming from current members being defensive. Nemo is honest and accurate throughout the entire video.
First off, how do you even get a question about garment length wrong unless you're *trying* to mess it up on purpose? He even brought it up *twice*, so don't try to let him off the hook. And it doesn't stop there. Nemo blatantly lied multiple times during the interview. His absurd claims about the church’s involvement in electroshock therapy or why they had to leave Kirtland are enough to make anyone question his so-called expertise. He completely disqualified himself and revealed his true, destructive intentions.
@NoteworthyAnalysis you're a cuck for the cult, just stop justifying the atrocious activities of that deplorable "church"
@NoteworthyAnalysis your "First Off" is something so trivial as garment length, which has changed over the years, so while it may not be currently technically and specifically accurate to date, it isn't a lie. As to why they left kirtland, you're just choosing to believe the story church authorities tell you, which are biased at the very least. At best, yours and the church's story can't be completely verified and is disputed by other witnesses to the events. Try again....after you've worked on some critical thinking skills and considered other testimony to the historical facts.
@@mattmower6370 Wow. Seriously? Aren’t you even a little embarrassed? Defending a liar or just that out of touch?
1. The garment doesn’t even reach the elbow-especially not for women. Nemo wasn’t asked about garment length from a century ago.
2. Kirtland wasn’t abandoned because of polygamy; any decent historian could tell you that.
3. Yes, there was an electroshock study at BYU in the '70s involving 14 people. To claim the church was “shocking the gayness” out of members is pure fiction.
And that’s just the start of the list. Honestly, how can you sit here defending Nemo as if he’s not bending the truth? How far gone do you have to be for that? Pathetic.
@@NoteworthyAnalysis you're the pathetic one, defending a cult like the Mormon church, you disgust me with the lies and crimes that church commits, the SA, the tax fraud. GTFO with your BS
I appreciate this man's honesty and clear thinking. Our world needs more of this. Unfortunately, all religions are absurd and Mormonism is no different.
Well done, Nemo! 😎
I had never heard about this channel, but this is totally my jam.
Thanks for being more open than many I’ve seen. I agree, questioning is normal and important.
Excellent insight to the Mormon church , I’ve talked to few friends and colleagues over the years that are Mormon but none as informative, thank you 🙏
churches being sol corporations doesn't sit well with me never has
Agreed. Did God really want people to give tithings to rent out a warehouse to Amazon and amass great wealth?
Obvs I realise this extends across many religions.
@@SarahSB575 Yes, He did
The LDS Church actually got fined by the SEC for obfuscating its staggering $200 billion wealth which is hidden in the commercial arm "Ensign Peak Advisors" and its shady 12 shell sub companies. The church does not declare its wealth even to its members.
The temple is the old testimony actually stored things like food and so on.
@@joaop.barata6062 God favours the greedy amongst us.
Wow what an intelligent man, Nice perspective , thanks for the learning.
He got excommunicated for this interview 11:42
Technically he hasn't been excommunicated yet. He was just called to a disciplinary council.
As of the Livestream he did yesterday, he has not been excommunicated. The council hasn't happened yet.
He may not be excommunicated ever, as an official decision isn't supposed to be made until the council meets, and he will plead his case. He could receive church discipline but stay a member, or nothing could happen at all.
But it is most likely, in my opinion, based on what has happened to similar members, he will be excommunicated.
Also, it's only speculation that this interview is the reason. The official reason is that he was trying to shake the faith of the high council through his emails (he wasn't trying to do that).
The official reason is shaky, in my opinion, and it's probably another reason, but he's done a lot of truth telling, not just this video, so it could be a number of things.
I grew up in “ the church” and I love and appreciate this man’s candidness
Serious respect for Nemo. Eloquent, candid, self-aware, and good naturedly funny - great interview!
This is what is called a sooth-sayer, and the Bible warns all of us of them.
This guy sounds less like a Mormon and more like a sceptic. Appreciate this so much and feel sad he’s apparently been shunned by his family and friends.
Worth 2.2B, takes 10% of your income. defo 100% not a cult
Edit: I know alot of religions do the same but not always compulsory, though heavily pushed. I am not religious.
Gives millions of dollars in charity every year, manages money well, definitely something cults don't do.
10% is a christian church and Bible thing, not just a mormon thing... just saying
All religious organisations take money from their followers 🤔
Add a few zeros to that number, worth 200bn
@Looney-toon Yes. It's just rare and more problematic for it to be required spiritually and be a specific percentage of your income.
A charitable organization may ask for its members to donate to keep them going or provide more services and that wouldn't be so bad. But if they required a percentage of your total income under threat of burning in hell or being cut off from friends and family, that's not so good.
It's pretty obviously different.
Thank you for you honesty.
Way to go, Nemo. Thank you for exposing these frauds. Keep on shining the light of truth.
Wasn't Joseph Smith a known con-man at the time?
Yes
Yes, a proven liar and false prophet.
Yep he sure was he’d actually been convicted of it a few years before he founded the Church
Not even true at all.
@@jelyfisher let me guess, you are a mormon and you got that info from other mormons who also discouraged you from looking into it yourself. Just accept and believe within the echo chamber and never think or look things for yourself. That is one of the qualities of a cult, after all.
This is a very self-aware Mormon. Most of the Mormons I have met would answer no to the questions about about being brainwashed, having doubts, or thinking about leaving. Bravo to this man for his honesty.
@@amylangston7456 You know some weird mormons
@@joaop.barata6062 no, that’s actually the norm. I would know, having been one myself haha but Nemo has already figured out the real church history and fraud, but stays so that he can be a unique voice for change. He clearly doesn’t believe it, but stays close and watches so he can call out the church leadership when they make massive errors and try to cover them up or hide them
Nemo is awesome. Most of the people that follow him have left Mormonism. Typical Mormons don’t like him AT ALL.
Your standard for a Mormon being self aware is they are required to agree to having been brainwashed?! Interesting bigotry. Automatic assumption and insistence about the state of lots of other people you clearly don't care if they ever get to advocate for their own personal testimony.
He isn’t a believing member, he’s a fraud basically
We ❤ Nemo
I found this very interesting. His views etc were very open and refreshing. I think he does more good than harm for the LDS due to his honesty. Also, I loved the way he flicked the cards over the table when he'd answered the questions..
All u got to do is not die to get to the top lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Perfect person to have do this video
Nemo I did not know you were married! 💜 I really enjoyed this! :)
I wonder where Nemo’s wife is in her faith? That would be interesting to learn.
I think he's mentioned that she is a very private person so he doesn't share much about her to respect that. From what I've gathered she's in a similar place in her faith as Nemo.
When a Mormon comes to my door, I just give them food and water. I'm generally just worried about their safety and wellbeing. One has yet to say no to my offer and they completely forget to preach to me.
When a Mormon comes to my door they see the sign beside my doorbell and they leave me and my family alone.
I give them a coffee and a cigarette
I'm an ex-Mormon and my little sister just started her mission. I hope she meets a lot of people like you, thank you for being kind ❤
I'm an exmormon who served a mission. I know what it's like so I try to be kind, but I always turn them away. I should follow your example though. Honestly, we need more humans like you on this planet!
Everytime I meet one I asked them if they know who orrin porter rockwell is and 9/10 times they DONT KNOW then I laugh and have some fun
Thank you for doing this!! You're a legend, Nemo
So sad that the church just excommunicated Nemo :(
It's not sad if he ends up joining a real Church rather than that cult.
I applaud him for being open about his church
not religious at all but this chap has a brain very intelligent
I can definitely believe the musical created new members, I did absolutely have a ball laughing but by the end I was very curious about Mormonism. Had a few chats with some, didn't join but definitely became more curious
What a well rounded approach to answering hard questions. Honest, upfront, clear, and more than likely he’ll be punished by the church for this approach. Even though this approach is exactly the correct path forward for its continued success.
Hard to say if he will be. He has content that is very critical of the church on his channel and hasn't (to my knowledge) had formal discipline yet. But this could be the straw.
@@TwoTreesVisuals Nemo lives from his criticism of the church. He is not interested in the truth. The fact that Ladbible has invited such an extremist, who in no way has even a rudimentary balanced view and clearly distorts many aspects, is really sad.
@@NoteworthyAnalysisok you say he lives off this by being dishonest. However can you name one thing in this video that isn’t true?
@@TwoTreesVisuals Nemo lied multiple times in the video, and "Ward Radio" did a thorough job debunking these fabrications under the keyword "Nemo," exposing several blatant falsehoods that he should have known better than to spread. If someone still can’t see that, they’re simply choosing to remain willfully blind. Do yourself a favor-check it out and get informed.
@@NoteworthyAnalysisif you think watching anything from ward radio is informative then I just learned a lot about you. All his stuff was debunked however you can’t name anything?
Favourite position?
"Missionary"
Nemo!! Hats off to you for doing this and for your success on TH-cam, I'm here for it 🙂
The church had abused and degraded women and children for years and it still continues. I got out at 24. I couldn’t even finish this video without my stomach turning.
That "speech" occurred in my graduation. You could hear a pin drop. But honestly it seemed like a step in the right direction!
00:23:11 Tickboxy! lol The Mormon covenant "Path" sounds VERY much like the Scientology "Bridge" to freedom.
I had never made that connection! Spot on.
Nemo has MASSIVE spuds for doing this, you only know if you were in that church to know, you can even see the current Mormons in the comments that literally can't fathom that their cult might be wrong.
Agreed.
Elders in my area are the best lawn mowers ive ever fed 👍🏾
Awesome video!
Just an FYI, the church have arranged a disciplinary council for this man, which will almost certainly result in his excommunication. Shameful for a church to exile honest people who want to improve the church
I would live to hear him talk about the differences between church organization and the gospel/doctrinal teachings. Many people conflate the two as the same thing, and that becomes an issue when people base their faith in Christ on not the divine gospel but instead on their interactions within a human (and thus inherently flawed) church structure.
He does in his podcast, a lot!
Polygamy is 100% still practiced by mormon fundamentalists and not just the most famous of these groups: the FLDS. The Centennial Park Group, The Kingston Group (or DCCS or "the order"), the AUB, the Neilson Naylor Group, the TLC group, The Blackmore Group, and The Church of the Firstborn (aka LeBaron group iykyk) all still practice and preach polygamy. I'm probably forgetting some but these are off the top of my head.
Mormons (not the man in this video obviously) love to act like this stereotype is unfounded and like it's a "thing of the past" but it is still very much practiced and these cult groups are still very much in control of their member's lives and psyches. There is child abuse, underage marriage, spousal abuse, rape, elder abuse, etc. still happening today.
I just think of Warren Jeffs, Lori Vallow, Michael Height who took the life of family and himself in Eenoc,and Kouri Richins who murdered her husband with fentanyl and then wrote a children’s book about how to deal with their grief .. thank you for answering these questions. I thought they all believed the same thing
For anybody not familiar with this church and the way it behaves, it has just excommunicated Nemo for reasons it entirely made up and for which it provided no evidence, just allegations
Nemo! Our representative PIMO. Thank you for your indirect help in my deconstruction.
Nemo is the GOAT! He has a great yt channel for those interested. A good read is "No Man knows my history" to fully understand.
Nemo is very interesting - I very much enjoyed this video
Though we don't know for sure, this interview may have been the tipping to getting him excommunicated.
Lol "blessing in disguise" perhaps?! Lol
Knew a friend in my teens, who was being encouraged to join all her family were interested. I heard the info started out thinking very little about the ‘church’ and thought it was nonsense. My friend I felt wasn’t using critical thinking.
You found Nemo!
He was very open and honest
Hearing their spokesperson, we could almost forget about how SA is a rampant problem in their communities...
*Almost*
Most members of the Mormon church don't just "forget," they actively deny any responsibility or connection of SA to the church
grabs the second letter M and runs away 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chooses to use an alternate pronunciation for "the book of Moroni" at fast and testimony meeting.
Also in 2015 Leaders or the LDS church said it was a “policy” children of same sex couple could not get baptized at 8 and had to wait until 18 or so. Then a couple years ago they changed it back to it was now ok. Not 100% on the dates. Thanks Nemo! You’re awesome.
I remember that happening. It led to a lot of people in my area leaving the church.
@@willowtree4 No one ever said it was a revelation, it was a policy change. The policy then changed again. Get your facts straight.
@@joaop.barata6062 God should give better policies. The church leaders claim to receive guidance for the policies they institute. Every time there is something new, they talk about how inspired this is and that we just have to trust the prophet since they won’t lead us astray. But then when they turn around and change it, they say that was just the prophet speaking as a man, and it wasn’t doctrinal.
Prophets speaking for god is doctrinal. Why would god give them the ok for such a terrible policy? And what kind of awful and hateful doctrine would allow for a policy like that to feel like the right move?
Getting hung up on whether an awful act of discrimination like that is “doctrine” or “policy” is a thought stopping exercise to prevent true believing Mormons from having to think critically about the issues. I’ve been there and I even accepted that “policy” as a test of faith to see who would follow the prophet.. because I was indoctrinated to accept everything church leaders say without truly questioning them.
@@joaop.barata6062
Sure thing. Thanks for the kind advice or correction.
@@joaop.barata6062 Not true. Dallin H. Oaks said God changed his mind. Look it up.
never in my entire life have i seen a cognitive dissonance so composed and calm. how on earth has a person this intelligent, curious and capable of critical thinking not yet figured out that this whole thing is just like any other cult based on man-made fiction? this guy is breaking my own brain as i'm typing this.
He very much knows
What really busts my brain is why people like yourself watch these types of videos?
If you don't like or believe in any faith just don't watch, and don't be involved, and politely tell anyone who comes to your home that you are not interested, and want them to never come back to your home. Ask to be put on their no contact list.
🎵dum dum dum dum dummm 🎵
😂😂😂
🎵Joseph Smith was called the prophet🎵
@user-bright17right…… right…….. this is a reference to the South Park episode meet the Mormons by the way not a personal attack on you
South Park really does take the piss, doesn't it?🤣
I was part of the Church from the age of about 13 to 19, because I lived in a town where there wasn't many other kids my age, an my parents didnt do anything church related, I made friends with other kids who were mormon, an I will say...the members were super friendly (like the parents of my friends, the other kids my ages, etc) but the leaders of the local branch, as well as the ward, an the overall Church itself, were very....well, lets just say there was a reason I left once I was like 18-19
I'm morally and ethically against religion as a whole, but to this day Mormons are some of the nicest people I have ever met in my life.
They also generally speaking cause a lot of collective damage. I'm sure the everyday regular people are great. But you cannot take a religion founded by a predator, run by multiple predators and make it good.
If you want another close look at Mormonism, there's a youtuber called Alyssa Grenfell who talks a lot about her experience in and out of the church. She's talked about 'mormon kindness' and I think it's really interesting how she says its more or less all a preamble to getting people open to talking about Christ.
They are very nice because their faith is one of work . Meaning you better work hard and be a good Mormon so you can get your own planet and your celestial wife and populate a planet of your own.
@@CassVanCat I mostly agree with what you're saying. At the end of the day it's a community that lives on lies and isn't quite what they say they preach.
@grahamvandyke. 🌈🌈🌈
I assumed he had left already so honest respect for that
I thought Nemo was ex-mormon? Is he still a current member? Id be surprised considering how much he criticizes the church
He won't say if he's still a member or not, but I'm pretty sure he's not
He is a member. Go watch his videos. He was denied a temple recommend because he questioned the church. His bishop and stake president could not give him answers. So, he was told to email to the first presidency. He got a few emails from Dallin Oaks.
@macdonald2k I can't verify that he's out of the church entirely, but he can easily say he's still in the church but not actually be. Either way, he's lying about what he presents in this video.
@macdonald2k one example of what? That he lied? How about saying that the church president owns all the money and that it is his corporation? First off, that's not even how normal corporations work; y'all should see that one right off the bat. Second, he knows damn well that the financial decisions of the church are not dictated by a single person and never have been.
He is still a member, has not removed his name, and still attends regularly.
I grew up culturally catholic, but I haven’t believed in or been a part of the church since I was maybe 11 years old? Today I’m 32 and I can still recite prayers perfectly. We’re all indoctrinated into something in a way…