@@kirkchapman80Brass is fairly environmental temperature resistant, nothing would change. Cold would only make it shrink, increasing neck tension. Think that brass is worn out, hasn't been sized properly, bad from brass supplier, or more likely can't be sized down properly. Probably why bullet can be pulled and it got stuck (case Web oversized). Primer pocket is worn or been stretched. Maybe load development brass that didn't get thrown out by the company. Maybe the ammunition has a origin story, if the box was returned to a store, the guy who bought it, shot some, loaded it up, so he could return the full box.
Exactly. I know he didn’t wanna put it on fort Scott ammunition or bear creek but I’ve seen their .243 tumble on impact ammo do this very same thing. So I took the rest apart and saved the brass and I ended up loading Barnes ttsx and varget with CCI LR BR-2 primers. I did notice the primer pockets were slightly larger than some Hornady brass I was loading so yeah it’s 100% ammo. I don’t know about the gorilla ammo though. If you ask me they should leave the 8.6 blk in a bolt gun.
When I reload, I only load 10 at a time. Absolutely no distractions. Check and recheck. All it takes is 1 mistake to ruin your day, your hunt, or your life.
My word I thought that we hed it cold 😳🥶😳🥶🥶 now I appreciate Texas great content you're a real soldier to it.❤❤❤ for as long as you're doing it I'll be supporting it! 😊😊😊
Always relate to this guy, him looking like myself at work trying to make the bill money and dressing like an Eskimo. Those boo lots were not safe or built right. Weather affects everything, but some this ammo had no chance. Thanks again to our boo lot brother Who Tee Who. 🔫🎥🥶
Unless they are using used brass, the primer went off as you can see the carbon/dirty pocket. I'd guess a cold weather ignition problem and enough headspace issue to allow the primer to come fully out. Primer typically pushes out some but is reseated when the case expands/forced back on the bolt face.
I’ve zoomed in on an iPad. Best I can see the primer was there when you pulled the cartridge from the box. Maybe it backed out when chambered and that’s why it locked up after the first shot. Not sure if fort Scott uses once shot military brass or new brass. Possibly overly swaged military crimp.
most 8.6 blackout rounds are 1.1 grain of powder, Fort Scott has had some issues with some batches, and rounds that come out by hand weren't crimped properly, and the BCA rifles aren't the best on the market for 8.6
@@takedeadaim8671 it most likley wasnt in the brass to begin with. If it was i would bet there would have been some form of ignition signs. I have blown primers during load development and they get chewed up into pieces. End up in the upper, bcg, lugs of the chamber but most of the time they fall in the mag causing feeding issues. Either loose primerpocket, no primer or undersized primer. I may be wrong but i would say no primer. Depending on what powder is used probably a slow one. The powder is big enough to plug the flash hole and very little will come our especially if stored with bullet facing down or sideways.
@@briancunningham3283 I have been a gunsmith for over 40 years. Anytime you have a gun lock up the wise path is to dissemble it to determine the presence of a foreign body or broken/displaced part. I would agree the primer was not in the case but you would expect loose powder in the box, magazine, or action which should be cleaned out. You would not believe what I have found inside guns.
The same thing happened to my brother's ar10 in 308. The primer fell out during cycling and it locked the gun up with that round without a primer in the chamber. It took a minute to get it to open. The primer was in the locking lugs.
If you hand load ammo, make double sure you do it the right way. I talk out of experience, no distractions of sorts! It's very rewarding if you get to the quarter inch groups. But frustrating when you need to back track and do fault finding of your own doing!
Maybe 40 years ago, maybe longer than that, I ran across a Frontier 30-06 round with no primer. Plenty of bloopers in my life, but only the one missing primer.
@@tasunko7672 😆👍👍 ..I remember the old frontier line made by Hornaday and it was during this time they came out with an really pushing the boat tail bullet..I remember the 165gr in 06 in particular..as it was before the advent of money you had to trade 3chickens and a goat to get a box of them.
Looked to be a primer there when I zoomed in. I'm kinda betting on a primer strike while on the feed ramp. With so many jams it is more than plausible. It would also explain why the primer was missing as it would have went out the ejection port along with the spent casing.
As soon as you mention handloads, I thought they were the thumbnail. I've never seen that before. Like you said, you usually hear the primer pop. But I never shot anything suppressed before
The primer didn’t go in upside down by any chance. I’ve had that happen when reloading, never had one go up the gun yet. I am still bewildered how it flipped through my reloader.
I am not sure if it's your ammo giving you problems or the gas block needs to be adjusted. One thing is for sure. The 8.6 BLK OUT is a great cartridge for both subsonic and supersonic shooting, hunting exc. I really like that 1:3 twist rate. Gives you some additional rotational force to go with its energy. That gives you alot more destruction to the target. My go-to that I shoot a lot are my 375-Raptor and 45-Raptor in both AR-10 and bolt action . Iam shooting 400-650gr subsonic and 235-350gr supersonic. Its hard to explain the extreme energy and damage they create. Like the 460 S&W on steroids.The 50 krater will be my next project. I can't wait to get it completed. The 50 krater is the Big Brother to the 50 Beowulf . Like the 500 BUSHWHACKER is to the 500 S&W for a size comparison. Who-tee-who thank you for sharing. I would like to see you shoot the 8.6 BLK OUT in clay blocks and water jugs or maybe watermelon or all the above. Groups, velocity and drop charts are good but when you put that cartridge to work and show us the wake of destruction and damage it can unleash. Now that's awesome. God bless you and your family.God bless America 🇺🇸🇨🇱 🇺🇲🇨🇱🇺🇲🇨🇱🇺🇲🇨🇱.
Primer is 100% in that action. This issue happened to me with some terrible ammo with my 556. BCG ended up getting locked up and the experience was not fun at all. Definitely not good ammo and I personally wouldn’t let that stuff touch another firearm.
That brass is whacked. It appears that there is a circle with a cross in it on the bottom of the brass. This indicates that it is NATO spec brass. Originally, I would bet that it was 5.56 brass that had a crimped in primer. The primer pocket was chamfered to remove the crimp, but they got carried away and removed too much material. This is just a guess on my part, but I have done it myself and gotten similar results. Definitely a manufacturer issue.
What's funny is, I'm left handed too, but my right eye is the dominant eye, so I shoot right handed. I shoot, pistol , rifle, shotgun right handed because I'm right eyes. I shoot bow because of physical comfort and right eye. I'm good with All four, but can't do anything else unless it's left handed 😂 it's crazy.
You’re a freakin animal wearing crocs when it’s 10 degrees!! I live in Vermont where it’s cold all winter and I still wouldn’t wear them when it’s cold😂
Lots of weirdness going on with that dud. The primer plcket is black and has soot in it, new brass the pocket should be shiny and clean if the primer was missing. Why did the gun jam after the shot? I thould maybe the primer came out during cycling and thats why it didnt go off, and maybe the loose primer jammed the action, but if that was the case the pocket would be shiny like i said. And why was the bullet so easily removed??? Thats not right.... its almost like at the factory an already fired case was loaded without resizing and without a primer.....that would explain the soot, the misfire, the loose bullet and stuck case. Theres no reason that should happen but that would actually explain everything.....crazy weird. Ive found 3 or 4 40sw rounds in unopened remington umc boxes of 357sig, so weird stuff does happen, this is very weird tho.
The gun has to go off for a primer to blow out from overpressure. Most likely the primer was not in the case prior to loading it in the gun or it fell out while you were loading it into the gun. A primer can push a bullet a little ways into the rifling if there is no powder and you will not hear it go off so always check the barrel before shooting another round
I have had many(more than I can count) fort Scott being spicy. By issues have been it fires, but entire back with primer blew off and bullet flew. The case jammed deep into barrel and had to take pew to repair shop and thy had to freeze my barrel to -60 degrees to get cash out. Fort Scott said it had to be the gun maker. Its happened to these guns Sig, savage, H&K, and Springfield Armory. I don't think its the guns, its the ammo. If it was one gun I may have said possibility but it had happened to both rifles and pistols. And they were all test fired after they were fixed with Hornady, Remington and Winchester and they were fine and still fine today. I don't trust fort scott.
Wow that’s a definite fail. It looks like the primer fired but the flash hole is blocked or they are using used brass and not cleaning it because that primer pocket looks like it had a primer go off in it.
That's a bit concerning 😟 with the Ft. Scott Ammunition? Unless you have gorilla strength, being able to pull that bullet by hand is scary. Great job out in the weather bud, have a great weekend 👍
If you do anything enough times you are bound to eventually have an error. It appears to me, that case never had a primer. Surprising that it made it all the way through QC and into a box like that! You must be one tough guy to be wearing crocs in this cold old boy!
Neck tension on that cartridge is way too loose. Also, it appears they sell used brass. Dirty primer pocket? Hell no Fort Scott munitions. This shows exactly the difference between Saami and non Saami ammunition manufacturers. Hard pass Fort Scott. Think of the possibility for bullet set back with that loose of neck tension. Pressures could be way high👎🏻
My bet is that the primer came out and somehow wedged itself on its way out the magazine, something seems wrong with the mag to barrel spacing, bad mag maybe barrel depth, or upper lower mate up, try a different mag first, doubt it's the cold 10 f and crocs is common here in canada
idk this could be a bear creek thing ive got a 308 that blows primers bad had to beat the charging handle on the bench to get it open from the primers that were jammed inside thought it was the ammo till i seen this, now its got me thinking
My cousin uses the 342gr pork shredders and he's taken multiple whitetails, axis and nilgai down in texas out to 200 yards. I'm very interested in 8.6, he loves it.
@@Ugh_its_dat_guy86 I'll have to look into that one. Is the brand called "Q"? I like the idea of big slow quiet bullets but I ain't spending a penny on bear creek or Ft Scott.
@LeoBaker-ir3vo yes so Q are the inventors of the 8.6 blackout and the rifles that shoot it. The amount of R&D they put into the caliber and rifles and testing is no joke. They make rifles and suppressors and are higher end products. The head guy uses it in Africa to hunt with. My cousin uses it and will not shoot anything else now. Kinda intrigues me a lot.
Fort Scott 8.6 blackout ammo has been unreliable for me. The primer strikes are not lite, and no detonation. I’ve experienced this with both the Q fix rifles I have; 8 inch pistol and 16 inch carbine. It happens frequently with this ammo for me. The supersonic ammo from Gorilla 210 grn TSX does it too, but it’s not as frequent. My hand loads never have failed to fire. The 8.6 will get Saami approved this year I believe, and hopefully this crap stops.
Hundreds of suppressed rounds from Gorilla in all of their subsonic options and I haven’t had any issues at all. More accurate than I expected and super quiet! Ar10
I've shot some fort scott in my bolt gun and ar10 and they haven't even gone off lift the bolt and closed it and pulled the trigger and it went off called the company and they replaced the ammo . Don't shoot any steel with them because they wonder everywhere.
Fort scott is good ammo from what I read. Never shot there boolots cuz i load my own. I bet either brass missing priming from lack of primers in their machine or small primer got in the mix, primer couple thousandths to small or pprimer pocket swagged poorly. I am no expert just my opinion. Now any round sent home into a round already in battery is going to loosen up and pushed back. Even with a tight roll crimp there will be movement. Ar 10 bcg, buffer weight and spring has some strumpfff behind it. To be honest that was best scenario. You had a squib then fired again we may have never seen a who tee who video again. Take a LRP and see if you can press it in with your finger or thumb. That may tell something or primer may be laying in the box of ammo
After that performance, does it matter? I wouldn't buy a bear creek keychain after seeing how their rifles "work". If they can't handle mild Tennessee winter weather keep out of the plains states.
@ lapping the rings, and bedding the bases. A led sled causes more stress than normal on all these points of contact where friction can hide.I don't need to see a test to know this is true but would love to see one that refutes common sense. By the way love your content. I have a previous thought I would like to share why not ask for more money for the guns you trade in as they are worth more coupled with the data from testing you do on them. At least increase the price to cover the material used I believe people would pay as a new rifle can be a crap shoot. Thanks for the content wish you the best.
@@jeffholton6587Where is your video proof besides generational folklore spread by your Aunties Uncle? I am talking video proof, not Bob telling me through a video.
Scary stuff. I bought a bunch of 9mm from a gun show. My nephew and I were shooting them. I gave him the pew to shoot. His bullets were falling closer and closer to us. I was making fun of his aim. the gun blew up. A squib was in the barrel and the follow up shot exploded the pew.These were factory ammo. I now trust no ammo. My shooting experience has changed dramatically, accounting for every bullet shot. If you think you missed ,check your gun before firing again.
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Cold weather is rough! Thank you for still producing these videos even in the deep freeze!
Always appreciate you watching
If you can remove the bullet by hand, my money is on the ammo company. Neither the primer nor the bullet were seated correctly.
Possible the extra cold weather was a factor?
@@kirkchapman80 No. Cold weather wouldn't be the cause
@@kirkchapman80Brass is fairly environmental temperature resistant, nothing would change.
Cold would only make it shrink, increasing neck tension.
Think that brass is worn out, hasn't been sized properly, bad from brass supplier, or more likely can't be sized down properly. Probably why bullet can be pulled and it got stuck (case Web oversized).
Primer pocket is worn or been stretched.
Maybe load development brass that didn't get thrown out by the company.
Maybe the ammunition has a origin story, if the box was returned to a store, the guy who bought it, shot some, loaded it up, so he could return the full box.
Exactly. I know he didn’t wanna put it on fort Scott ammunition or bear creek but I’ve seen their .243 tumble on impact ammo do this very same thing. So I took the rest apart and saved the brass and I ended up loading Barnes ttsx and varget with CCI LR BR-2 primers. I did notice the primer pockets were slightly larger than some Hornady brass I was loading so yeah it’s 100% ammo. I don’t know about the gorilla ammo though. If you ask me they should leave the 8.6 blk in a bolt gun.
@@chriscalhoun.concretepumping That's crazy, are these smaller brand ammunitions held in high regard in the US, or something people avoid?
When I reload, I only load 10 at a time. Absolutely no distractions. Check and recheck. All it takes is 1 mistake to ruin your day, your hunt, or your life.
Convinced me not to bother with the 8.6 Blackout.
Especially at 2.50+ per round.
@@drysori make your own a lot cheaper. I load 160 GR bullets to right at 2700 FPS great deer catcher out to 300 yards or steel out to 600 yards.
Never admit to wearing Crocs
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@@WHOTEEWHOembrace it!! lol
My word I thought that we hed it cold 😳🥶😳🥶🥶 now I appreciate Texas great content you're a real soldier to it.❤❤❤ for as long as you're doing it I'll be supporting it! 😊😊😊
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That fail is 100% on fort Scott.
Always relate to this guy, him looking like myself at work trying to make the bill money and dressing like an Eskimo. Those boo lots were not safe or built right. Weather affects everything, but some this ammo had no chance. Thanks again to our boo lot brother Who Tee Who. 🔫🎥🥶
Unless they are using used brass, the primer went off as you can see the carbon/dirty pocket. I'd guess a cold weather ignition problem and enough headspace issue to allow the primer to come fully out. Primer typically pushes out some but is reseated when the case expands/forced back on the bolt face.
I’ve zoomed in on an iPad. Best I can see the primer was there when you pulled the cartridge from the box. Maybe it backed out when chambered and that’s why it locked up after the first shot. Not sure if fort Scott uses once shot military brass or new brass. Possibly overly swaged military crimp.
Bear Creek reliability at its finest.
Make sure you lock those Crocs in four wheel drive when walking in all that snow😂
Great video wtw
I did! 🤣
I rebarreled a 243 into 8.6, what an amazingly quiet 100 yard cartridge
most 8.6 blackout rounds are 1.1 grain of powder, Fort Scott has had some issues with some batches, and rounds that come out by hand weren't crimped properly, and the BCA rifles aren't the best on the market for 8.6
Is the primer in the action and that’s what locked it up?
I dunno
That's what I was thinking.
@@Miohunter444 I was too. I think it's time to disassemble the gun and see what's in there.
@@takedeadaim8671 it most likley wasnt in the brass to begin with. If it was i would bet there would have been some form of ignition signs. I have blown primers during load development and they get chewed up into pieces. End up in the upper, bcg, lugs of the chamber but most of the time they fall in the mag causing feeding issues. Either loose primerpocket, no primer or undersized primer. I may be wrong but i would say no primer. Depending on what powder is used probably a slow one. The powder is big enough to plug the flash hole and very little will come our especially if stored with bullet facing down or sideways.
@@briancunningham3283 I have been a gunsmith for over 40 years. Anytime you have a gun lock up the wise path is to dissemble it to determine the presence of a foreign body or broken/displaced part. I would agree the primer was not in the case but you would expect loose powder in the box, magazine, or action which should be cleaned out. You would not believe what I have found inside guns.
The same thing happened to my brother's ar10 in 308. The primer fell out during cycling and it locked the gun up with that round without a primer in the chamber. It took a minute to get it to open. The primer was in the locking lugs.
If you hand load ammo, make double sure you do it the right way. I talk out of experience, no distractions of sorts! It's very rewarding if you get to the quarter inch groups. But frustrating when you need to back track and do fault finding of your own doing!
Maybe 40 years ago, maybe longer than that, I ran across a Frontier 30-06 round with no primer. Plenty of bloopers in my life, but only the one missing primer.
Was this the old Hornaday Frontier line ?
@@camwinston5248 Yes. It was before money, and that was the cheapest stuff around, so I'm sure that's what it was.
@@tasunko7672 😆👍👍 ..I remember the old frontier line made by Hornaday and it was during this time they came out with an really pushing the boat tail bullet..I remember the 165gr in 06 in particular..as it was before the advent of money you had to trade 3chickens and a goat to get a box of them.
Looks cold out! Good video, as always!
Looked to be a primer there when I zoomed in. I'm kinda betting on a primer strike while on the feed ramp. With so many jams it is more than plausible. It would also explain why the primer was missing as it would have went out the ejection port along with the spent casing.
Appreciate the video it was a great video and since you was out there in your Crocs freezing your toes off I really appreciate
Primer pick looks black from primer so it fell out some way after you ejected the case👍good video 👍🇺🇸
You're crazy young man! 😊 Get your boots and gloves on! Thanks for the videos, stay safe.
As soon as you mention handloads, I thought they were the thumbnail. I've never seen that before. Like you said, you usually hear the primer pop. But I never shot anything suppressed before
Why is the bullet so loose in the case?
Appreciate your dedication! Go get warm brother!
Thanks for watching
@ check out the limbsaver Sharpshooter X-Ring barrel Deresonator. I was skeptical but it did help tighten my groups.
The primer didn’t go in upside down by any chance. I’ve had that happen when reloading, never had one go up the gun yet. I am still bewildered how it flipped through my reloader.
Expensive ammo to be testing. Glad companies are making it
I think 338 arc is going to be way more popular. If nothing else just because it has Hornadays giant marketing machine behind it.
It's been awhile, bud! I dont know if you remember me but how you been? Great video, as usual!!!
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Maybe the primer fell out when the bolt stripped it off the magazine?
I am not sure if it's your ammo giving you problems or the gas block needs to be adjusted. One thing is for sure. The 8.6 BLK OUT is a great cartridge for both subsonic and supersonic shooting, hunting exc. I really like that 1:3 twist rate. Gives you some additional rotational force to go with its energy. That gives you alot more destruction to the target. My go-to that I shoot a lot are my 375-Raptor and 45-Raptor in both AR-10 and bolt action . Iam shooting 400-650gr subsonic and 235-350gr supersonic. Its hard to explain the extreme energy and damage they create. Like the 460 S&W on steroids.The 50 krater will be my next project. I can't wait to get it completed. The 50 krater is the Big Brother to the 50 Beowulf . Like the 500 BUSHWHACKER is to the 500 S&W for a size comparison. Who-tee-who thank you for sharing. I would like to see you shoot the 8.6 BLK OUT in clay blocks and water jugs or maybe watermelon or all the above. Groups, velocity and drop charts are good but when you put that cartridge to work and show us the wake of destruction and damage it can unleash. Now that's awesome. God bless you and your family.God bless America 🇺🇸🇨🇱 🇺🇲🇨🇱🇺🇲🇨🇱🇺🇲🇨🇱.
Primer is 100% in that action. This issue happened to me with some terrible ammo with my 556. BCG ended up getting locked up and the experience was not fun at all. Definitely not good ammo and I personally wouldn’t let that stuff touch another firearm.
That brass is whacked. It appears that there is a circle with a cross in it on the bottom of the brass. This indicates that it is NATO spec brass. Originally, I would bet that it was 5.56 brass that had a crimped in primer. The primer pocket was chamfered to remove the crimp, but they got carried away and removed too much material. This is just a guess on my part, but I have done it myself and gotten similar results. Definitely a manufacturer issue.
Probably not the rifle's fault like some other commenters are saying. It's the ammo being crappy.
What's funny is, I'm left handed too, but my right eye is the dominant eye, so I shoot right handed. I shoot, pistol , rifle, shotgun right handed because I'm right eyes. I shoot bow because of physical comfort and right eye. I'm good with All four, but can't do anything else unless it's left handed 😂 it's crazy.
You’re a freakin animal wearing crocs when it’s 10 degrees!! I live in Vermont where it’s cold all winter and I still wouldn’t wear them when it’s cold😂
🤣🤣🤣🥶🥶🥶
Lots of weirdness going on with that dud. The primer plcket is black and has soot in it, new brass the pocket should be shiny and clean if the primer was missing. Why did the gun jam after the shot? I thould maybe the primer came out during cycling and thats why it didnt go off, and maybe the loose primer jammed the action, but if that was the case the pocket would be shiny like i said. And why was the bullet so easily removed??? Thats not right.... its almost like at the factory an already fired case was loaded without resizing and without a primer.....that would explain the soot, the misfire, the loose bullet and stuck case. Theres no reason that should happen but that would actually explain everything.....crazy weird. Ive found 3 or 4 40sw rounds in unopened remington umc boxes of 357sig, so weird stuff does happen, this is very weird tho.
The gun has to go off for a primer to blow out from overpressure. Most likely the primer was not in the case prior to loading it in the gun or it fell out while you were loading it into the gun. A primer can push a bullet a little ways into the rifling if there is no powder and you will not hear it go off so always check the barrel before shooting another round
Looks chilly! 👍🏻 😊
It was!
Loose primer. May have fell out while chambering and that’s what locked it up. 🤷🏼♂️
I have had many(more than I can count) fort Scott being spicy. By issues have been it fires, but entire back with primer blew off and bullet flew. The case jammed deep into barrel and had to take pew to repair shop and thy had to freeze my barrel to -60 degrees to get cash out. Fort Scott said it had to be the gun maker. Its happened to these guns Sig, savage, H&K, and Springfield Armory. I don't think its the guns, its the ammo. If it was one gun I may have said possibility but it had happened to both rifles and pistols. And they were all test fired after they were fixed with Hornady, Remington and Winchester and they were fine and still fine today. I don't trust fort scott.
Yikes
Wow that’s a definite fail. It looks like the primer fired but the flash hole is blocked or they are using used brass and not cleaning it because that primer pocket looks like it had a primer go off in it.
That's a bit concerning 😟 with the Ft. Scott Ammunition? Unless you have gorilla strength, being able to pull that bullet by hand is scary. Great job out in the weather bud, have a great weekend 👍
Cant wait to get my hands on one of those rossi LWCs in this
Crocs? In the snow? And in the cold???
MY feet would have demanded I re-evaluate my life choices! 😶🌫️
Work must go on. Bills to pay
Primer pocket was stretched/loose, possibly used brass. Or maybe a small primer snuck in?
If you do anything enough times you are bound to eventually have an error. It appears to me, that case never had a primer. Surprising that it made it all the way through QC and into a box like that! You must be one tough guy to be wearing crocs in this cold old boy!
Very interesting, made me want to get one then made me second guess it.
Bear creek stuff is awesome along as it is warm. If it's colder than sweater weather you've got an expensive paperweight.
Neck tension on that cartridge is way too loose. Also, it appears they sell used brass. Dirty primer pocket? Hell no Fort Scott munitions. This shows exactly the difference between Saami and non Saami ammunition manufacturers. Hard pass Fort Scott. Think of the possibility for bullet set back with that loose of neck tension. Pressures could be way high👎🏻
338 Arc is a death sentence to the 8.6 in my opinion. Time will tell
Boring can't go fast
Two different platforms so not really and I've heard 8.6 performs better
I had a box of fiocchi target max 40 caliber that was missing primers in 3 rounds out of the 200 once
Those go so slow I think a deer could hear the shot and step out of the way lol
I’ve run plenty of fort Scott TUI in both 8.6 BLK and 6.5 Grendel and haven’t had any issues… so very hard to say.
To harken back to my Amateur Radio days.... OK WTW... now send it with your left foot.
Cold lol it’s been 1 to -10 in nh that’s cold
My bet is that the primer came out and somehow wedged itself on its way out the magazine, something seems wrong with the mag to barrel spacing, bad mag maybe barrel depth, or upper lower mate up, try a different mag first, doubt it's the cold 10 f and crocs is common here in canada
Only time ive seen bullet drop in case like that is when the case is not resized
Im sure that with the temperature being low, the brass went out of spec microscopicaly causing the primer to fall out.
Remember when we all tried to get you to reload? Didn't have time was the reply we got.
Does Q LLC sell ammo? Kevin invented the round
Crocs....are you serious? Your wife needs to supervise your wardrobe choices. Thank you for your suffering. It was a really fun video.
I wear crocs every day
Bet it was a cold weather igniting powder issue, as much as i want to blame BCA
What twist rate to shoot thoes long bullets
1:3
Primer popped out when the previous round fired,
Since the first bullet never hit paper, are you sure the bullet left the barrel.
idk this could be a bear creek thing ive got a 308 that blows primers bad had to beat the charging handle on the bench to get it open from the primers that were jammed inside thought it was the ammo till i seen this, now its got me thinking
I have no interest in 8.6 but thanks for being out in the cold looking forward to yourbnext reveiw
I guess I’ll wait a couple more years to buy a BCA 8.6 till it’s been better tested
My cousin uses the 342gr pork shredders and he's taken multiple whitetails, axis and nilgai down in texas out to 200 yards. I'm very interested in 8.6, he loves it.
Stay where it's warm. If the bear creek gets under 45 degrees F, it quits working.
@LeoBaker-ir3vo oh he doesn't have to worry, he's shooting The Fix from Q, the 16" version with the short chop suppressor. That's what I'd buy
@@Ugh_its_dat_guy86 I'll have to look into that one. Is the brand called "Q"? I like the idea of big slow quiet bullets but I ain't spending a penny on bear creek or Ft Scott.
@LeoBaker-ir3vo yes so Q are the inventors of the 8.6 blackout and the rifles that shoot it. The amount of R&D they put into the caliber and rifles and testing is no joke. They make rifles and suppressors and are higher end products. The head guy uses it in Africa to hunt with. My cousin uses it and will not shoot anything else now. Kinda intrigues me a lot.
@Ugh_its_dat_guy86 very interesting. I live in a very cold place. -2 tonight. Do you have any data on how they work in cold?
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what is the point 9f thi cartridge?
Subsonic big bullet
Fort Scott 8.6 blackout ammo has been unreliable for me. The primer strikes are not lite, and no detonation. I’ve experienced this with both the Q fix rifles I have; 8 inch pistol and 16 inch carbine. It happens frequently with this ammo for me. The supersonic ammo from Gorilla 210 grn TSX does it too, but it’s not as frequent. My hand loads never have failed to fire. The 8.6 will get Saami approved this year I believe, and hopefully this crap stops.
You should have measured the powder charge, primer pocket could be out of spec and primer fell out, I have gauges to check primer pockets
Looks cold matey not having a good day matey
Hundreds of suppressed rounds from Gorilla in all of their subsonic options and I haven’t had any issues at all. More accurate than I expected and super quiet! Ar10
Apparently the bear creek rifles can't handle cold.
Surely you cant pull a bullet from a case by hand? 😮
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You ever shot any H/R rifle before on your show.
No
The primer was in there, you can see it in the video
I've shot some fort scott in my bolt gun and ar10 and they haven't even gone off lift the bolt and closed it and pulled the trigger and it went off called the company and they replaced the ammo . Don't shoot any steel with them because they wonder everywhere.
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Fort scott is good ammo from what I read. Never shot there boolots cuz i load my own. I bet either brass missing priming from lack of primers in their machine or small primer got in the mix, primer couple thousandths to small or pprimer pocket swagged poorly. I am no expert just my opinion. Now any round sent home into a round already in battery is going to loosen up and pushed back. Even with a tight roll crimp there will be movement. Ar 10 bcg, buffer weight and spring has some strumpfff behind it. To be honest that was best scenario. You had a squib then fired again we may have never seen a who tee who video again. Take a LRP and see if you can press it in with your finger or thumb. That may tell something or primer may be laying in the box of ammo
There was no primer ... WOW 😮
Which bear creek 8.6 & barrel length 7 or 12.5?
After that performance, does it matter? I wouldn't buy a bear creek keychain after seeing how their rifles "work". If they can't handle mild Tennessee winter weather keep out of the plains states.
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@ bear creek just dropped pistal 8.6 in 7 & 12.5 for around $650ish no mags though
Led sled is hard on your optics and connections. Isn't needed to shoot well.
That is false, old fudd lore. Been disproven
@ Do you have a link?
Nope. But talked to the people who did the tests first hand
@ lapping the rings, and bedding the bases. A led sled causes more stress than normal on all these points of contact where friction can hide.I don't need to see a test to know this is true but would love to see one that refutes common sense. By the way love your content. I have a previous thought I would like to share why not ask for more money for the guns you trade in as they are worth more coupled with the data from testing you do on them. At least increase the price to cover the material used I believe people would pay as a new rifle can be a crap shoot. Thanks for the content wish you the best.
@@jeffholton6587Where is your video proof besides generational folklore spread by your Aunties Uncle? I am talking video proof, not Bob telling me through a video.
I thought I was the only idiot that wears crocks in the snow. Maybe we're cousins or something? 😆
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Scary stuff. I bought a bunch of 9mm from a gun show. My nephew and I were shooting them. I gave him the pew to shoot. His bullets were falling closer and closer to us. I was making fun of his aim. the gun blew up. A squib was in the barrel and the follow up shot exploded the pew.These were factory ammo. I now trust no ammo. My shooting experience has changed dramatically, accounting for every bullet shot. If you think you missed ,check your gun before firing again.
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Gorilla 342 grain pork shredder, good round, Fort Scott is ok, Just Cause Ballastics, Discreet Ballastics, and Halworx make some good 8.6 ammo
Lmao @ wearing crocks in the snow. Well... I can't say I haven't done it.
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Look inside the mag for the primer. It may have come out from the force of the previous round you fired. Either way, the whole thing is concerning.
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Better get that barrel checked before shooting it again!😳
Very odd , didn't hear a pop at all .
Primer was put in upside down
That’s kinda scary
Would love to see it scoped.