MiSTer FPGA for $100? The Clone DE-10 Nano Shows Cores Running!
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It’s MiSTer FPGA NEWS AND UPDATES time! N64 FPGA core news, MiSTer FPGA Sega Saturn core news, MiSTer FPGA arcade game news…and more! FPGA gaming and retro games all in one! Plus The MiSTer FPGA N64 core is here in Update_All and we have new MiSTer FPGA Arcade cores from Jotego and Wickerwaka with a NEW Irem M92 core as well as a ton of other MiSTer FPGA news! It's a MiSTer FPGA review for April!
and one last news update for April as Taki Udon ( / takiudon_ ) showed off a Terasic DE-10 Nano clone board and RAM from a maker promising a MiSTer FPGA setup for $125 total. So let's look into whats going on...because they are also talking about a portable MiSTer FPGA / handheld MiSTer FPGA. Is this your new MiSTer FPGA build or MiSTer FPGA setup? Dunno! But now there are cores running on it here!
Credit: Taki Udon - Taki II : / @takiudon2
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I asked, you answered...and I try to listen :) Of all the requests for new content on the channel one of the most frequently asked for videos is a series on the Terasic DE-10 Nano MiSTer FPGA hardware...so here it is! Retro gaming goodness.
Some mainstream stuff and some hidden gem games this month!
but the progress on the Nintendo 64 FPGA core from FPGAZumSpass is the most exciting!
Can't wait to see what May 2024 brings!
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One for a light gun arcade cabinet…
One for a Tate cab…
One for a Tate cab in the other orientation…
One for 6-button control panels…
One for 4-button control panels…
One for classic 0-3 button control panels…
…and so on.
Haha right now I have my capture MiSTer, my on camera MiSTer and my next to my TV MiSTer. My camera MiSTer also doubles as my PVM MisTer
I'm thinking of paving my garden with DE-10 Nano clones. Just need a garden to pave.
@@kosmosyche ;)
One for the trackball cab…
One for the analog flight stick cab…
One for the rotating arcade stick cab…
One for the sit-down steering wheel cab…
One for the stand-up three-way steering wheel cab…
🤣
Reminds me of the shamwow commercial. "This is for the house, the car, the r.v."
Already have a MiSTer but stoked for this. More accessible for everyone, community driven, no more monopoly, etc. Also the promise of iterative improvements, modernization, and branching product types is outstanding. Huge win for the FPGA community
We need more people at the MiSTer party
@@VideoGameEsoterica 💯
but no retroarch achievements, no fancy menus and box art. and no dreamcast or gamecube
Yep. Exactly this. ❤
For $100, I'd be tempted to make a bunch of my own "mini consoles" with 3D printed cases and dedicated controllers...
That would def be a fun use case
I'd thought about making a MiSTer in a cartridge format with some sort of custom connector/interface so I could easily move the hardware from one type of device to another. This is starting to get into a price point where owning multiple would be a practical option.
Yes this will not only get people into MiSTer but also be a cheaper means of getting people who have boards to build new setups
I'd love a second board for my living room.
I plan on making one The Heart of a custom arcade machine, so it would be nice to have another one just for that
I'm not really interested in a pure clone of the DE-10 nano board for the Mister, however I do understand that this will allow more people to get into FPGA gaming, so in that sense we all win from having more options available. What I think could be a lot more interesting though is if these developers could create something like a DE-10 nano plus board with some added improvements, such as increased memory bandwidth to allow a fully developed N64 core. Would something like this even be possible? The possibility of a mister handheld is also very exciting.
More people is good. A handheld is even better
@@VideoGameEsoterica Taki even mentioned a handheld version they would sell for like $150, which is pretty crazy if it comes true.
That seems low for everything but hey maybe it’s possible. I’d expect a higher price personally but I hope I’m surprised
I certainly have more faith in THAT than the vaporware that is the Mars project
This def has a lot of evidence currently and I’m very optimistic about it now
I don’t think the mars project is vaporware. The group did mention it would be shown off in June. I think a mister+tink4k is a better combo for me considering I use a lot of original hardware as well still. The MARS is going to be a tough sell for folks(myself included) unless they manage to get some more advanced cores that aren’t possible on mister(Naomi immediately comes to mind)
@@sneakingelephantThe whole point of Mars is that it will get systems running that will not be possible with MISTer. If you don't want or need the later Midway arcades, the Cave CV1000, DC + Atomiswave + Naomi and the more beefed up PSX based arcades (ZN2, Taito G-Net), there is simply no need for Mars or Replay2 at all. (in the case of Replay2 I see no point in getting it if there aren't any cores to make use of it). I am a shmup Junkie and there is simply no way and no price to not buy it, if I can play Dogyuun, Batsugun (Toaplan2), Air Gallet (Cave), Brave Blade (ZN1), Psyvariar and Shikigami no Shiro (G-Net) and Ketsui, DDP DoJ (CV 1000) then. Leave alone those on the DC and on NAOMI.
AMEN!
Nothing about the ZN / G-Net, etc should not work on MiSTer. It’s just faster chips with more memory. That can be done. Does that mean they won’t wall it behind MARS? 🤷🏻♂️
I bought my Pre-Built MiSTer that had the DE-10 Nanoboard in it from MiSTer Addons only a few months ago (while I first learned about it from Avalanche Reviews when he covered the first Silent Hill on his channel, it was YOUR videos were the final push I needed to jump into the MiSTer project, Mr. Esoterica), and I've been very pleased with it so far. Its easily become my favorite way to play my entire line of Gameboys (original, GBC and GBA) and Sega Saturn, because the scaling options make the games look crisp and clean while also offering unparalleled compatibility that I wouldn't get with software emulation unless you use a monster PC setup, but even then it still isnt perfect, especially in the case of the Saturn. I've got similar stories of unreliable software emulation to tell with the N64 as well, which are (mostly) now being resolved with the MiSTer as well, so that just makes me love the MiSTer even more.
I don't regret my purchase of the pre-configured DE-10 in the slightest, but I too would love to see this clone of the DE-10 do everything its promising to do and take off after being released to the general market, because as you've been saying it'll make it a lot easier for new people to get into FPGA gaming and potentially bring in new people to help work on the project directly and democratize things, which is a definite positive in my book. While I'd rather see a true successor to the DE-10 that the MiSTer project could migrate towards that could give the project better hardware to work with at a similar price range to what we have right now (I hope to live to see full 6th gen console compatibility on FPGA hardware someday, since that is the golden wra of console gaming for me, but I know that is years off from now), I COULD see myself buying one of these clone boards and using it for a project or two. But I most certainly would kill to have a portable version of the MiSTer that could do what the DE-10 currently can - if I could stick a DE-10 or a clone equivalent into a clamshell design of some kind that is both comfortable and offers a full basic controller setup (think Retroid Pocket Flip), I'd line up for it in a heartbeat!
The good thing is no matter the cost the value for money is insane with MiSTer
@@VideoGameEsoterica Agreed.
You don't need a monster PC for software emulation, any I3 from the last 5 years will be enough.
Depends on what. If you want PS3 you want to bring a decent rig
@@VideoGameEsoterica Oh yeah, I meant to emulate the same systems that Mister emulates. Like the Saturn.
Good thing I already bought my DE-10 Nano.
I’m surrounded by them 🤣
This needs some 80's and 90' memes and the dev being rude to the mister community to be perfect
🤣
Awsome! I wonder how the consolised version will look like ❤
Yes that’ll be interesting to see
Good time to be learning about and researching putting one of these things together. The 400-500 buck price for the kits right now is doing wonders for making me look at a Pi instead. Glad I found this video and channel, been very useful in learning about the mister. Thank you.
I’ve got a decent amount of hardware and software build guides
Finally no more excuses for me to keep putting this off.
Psyched for more updates on this project!
I’ll keep updating as more info becomes available
This is going to be a game changer! Very excited for the console and handheld versions!
I’m looking forward to testing them when the time comes
This is great news if it lives up to the promise of perfect or near-perfect cross-compatibility with the MiSTer project. I've thought about buying a MiSTer but couldn't justify the current price. $100 is much more palatable. Kudos to the team if they can make this happen!
So far it’s seemingly to be a very promising board
I feel they could have at least added a 2nd SNAC port at the very least. Hopefully there will be future hardware revisions with improvements as time goes on.
Really wouldn’t be useful for much except midi and SNAC at the same time and that’s such a narrow use case
Can we have a 4k fpga based scaler that's $100 not $1000 next please
Not yet. In some years probably yes
I was interested in getting another MiSTer build (digital board with dual ram) but the price of the DE-10 always made me reconsider so i'm very interested in this
Yes I’d wait and see this evolve. I’ll try and get one as soon as I can for testing but it’s feeling like a recommend from what I’ve seen. Still gotta test though
Portable Mister with 6 face buttons 4 shoulder buttons and dual analog and a 4:3 screen would be the dream
We can only hope
My first MiSTer had the HDMI port die.. probably a stray static discharge.. so I just bought a replacement DE-10 for the full 250 euros 🥲 stillI can use the old board with analog IO and hopefully soon the new v8.1 analog IO that supports 24bit, since that is what I needed the HDMI for. But these clones make me happy so I can also make a 'travel' mister with only HDMI, one USB controller and a slim & sturdy case. Then I'll have three MiSTer stations: one at my PC corner with a 31KHz VGA Monitor for vintage computer cores with keyboard and mouse, one at my TV corner with two consumer TVs, one horizontal and one vertical for arcade SHMUPs with an assorted collection of SNACs and light guns and one for travel.
Yes static can be tricky with hdmi ports sadly
looks promising
not interested in hand-held but a clean looking consolized version with all ports on the rear would be ace
All the prospective new builds seem fun to me
This is exciting.
Shaping up to be very promising
Might be time for me to finally get in on this FPGA insanity. :)
The time is now
Definitely getting on if the UK price point is good. 2nd setup for fighting game locals.
MiSTer is great for bringing to those kinds of events
We'll definitely get screwed but this is still cool.
Yeah international taxes aren’t great
These are great news my friend
Yea everything so far seems 10/10
@@VideoGameEsoterica Im gona give it some time to see if everything is fine with it and if it is i will buy one too
This is definitely going to push me to getting a second setup. I got into MiSTer late, so I paid around $220 for my DE10. Now that I know what’s possible, I’m not going to make that mistake again.
The time for a second MiSTer is soon :)
Can’t wait to see your tear down of this board this would theoretically get more people in the hobby hopefully it will be better quality than limited run’s physical “D” rerelease.
So far I’m optimistic about it :)
I bought a pre built Mister for my CRT on eBay for $380 and thought that was a steal 😂 I am glad to see this though. I would love another one for my arcade cabinet and one for my HD TV.
The good thing is even at current pricing you get SO MUCH for your money
@@VideoGameEsoterica 100%. I used to doubt how much better OG hardware was over software emulation but you can really feel the difference.
There’s def a diff
I'm hella more interested in the Mister handheld console!
The thought of playing PSX, Sega Saturn, and N64 in a near-flawless and portable fashion is incredible to me.
Same. We need a handheld
Taki just announced the handheld as part of the roadmap on Twitter….cant wait
@@sidnamyzo Me neither!
I saw. Will update videos as more tangible info comes out
@@VideoGameEsoterica also a MiSTer that takes physical carts!? Some amazing stuff incoming
awesome should be able to keep mister going for a long time
MiSTer still has a lot of legs
this seems neat as a backup of the backup haha
de-10 is my favorite pc, so if more people get into it because of more hardware available im all for it tbh
There was a time when DE-10 Nanos were less than $100, I wonder how much these will go up over time
I have three MiSTer’s. I’d def add a fourth lol
Same
Yet to be seen but my guess is not much if at all
I really want to see this thing happen.
I love doing emulation machines with SBCs like the Raspberry Pi and for the most part, it would be enough for me.
But by now, the Pi 5 is so expensive itself that if we get a FPGA board for 100-150€ (hello from Europe) that handles those classic games better than software emulation anyway, I'd much rather go for the MiSTer replica now. Preferably in a case that has all ports going to the back save for snacks/controller ports as that is also something I don't like about Raspberries but still.
Seems like there is no reason why it won’t happen.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I thought Taki would be too busy making the Retroid Pocket 5
Seems like it’s needing one more round of prototyping and testing for potential manufacturing
Excellent news. The price of the Mister has slowly but surely crept up to stupid in the last 3 years. It’s even hard to get one at RRP if you can get one at all. Who knows, maybe we’ll get into a situation where we have more faster ram that solves N64 and Saturn limitations.
Panzer Dragoon spotted! ❤
It feels like your comments about “showing it until it’s ready” is a shot across the bow at MARS.
Lol no shots at MARS
This is very promising. I am glad I bought my MISTer before the pandemic. Prices really did get out of control for awhile.
The chip shortage and the pandemic did a number on pricing
Was going to get an additional DE10 for my cab but I might get this. Hopefully it is compatable with all the Jamma Mister solutions. MISTER IS KING
JAMMA solutions will def need to be tested. I’d presume it would be good to go but again tests to verify :)
Id be almost 100% confident it will be compatable. That being said, Id like to see Terassic lower their price. I wonder how it is being done for 99. Are there cheaper parts etc... glad to see the intel chip is genuine @@VideoGameEsoterica
I’m not sure how they are getting the price down as of yet
When that is actually released the offical Terasic De-10 prices might go down as well. Let's wait and see (hopefully no Terasic patents involved).
I wouldn’t hold my breath IMO
I'd personally say the Goldeneye footage 5.19 point when the garage door lifts is chugging noticeably more so than it does on a real N64 but well it's early days of course and it could be anything I guess. Exciting news though
It could be anything. Camera framerate could exaggerate that
@@VideoGameEsoterica yup
This is great news.
So far so good 👍
would love to have a dedicated keyboard that houses this new board - make it look like a c64/amiga/oric or spectrum !!!!!!
Some people have designed cases like that
Would be cool if they can make a version that has less latency for RAM access (fix the MK cores)
I don’t know if that would be a technical possibility but interesting thought
Loving the background track ;) GE 4 LIFE! Im excited for $15 RAM! Is that for 128mb?
Yes 128MB
Yup def need a 3rd mister..might wait on the console version though
I’m sure most current owners will wait on the console or handheld and new builds will jump on the solo board
That's where I'm at too. I have a MiSTer setup, but will consider buying a consolized version depending on price and any potential added functionality.
I think many people would
The Mister is such an awesome system. It’s a real shame that the barrier to entry is the price. Let’s hope this clone system pans out!
Seems promising so far. We shall see how it pans out!
Will the board work on a MiSTer Multisystem board?
Unsure as of yet
I asked Mister Addons if, by the looks of it, this new board would work with current IO boards and USB hubs, but I got no answer.
What do you think? I have an digital IO board that I bought for a future build, I don’t know if I get to use it.
I would have to have it in front of me to really have much of a thought
@@VideoGameEsoterica Thank you very much for the reply.
👍
This is really cool but given that the RAM board its a must now why not add that extra RAM on the board itself? same with analog out, VGA at the very least.
Just not how the DE10 works. They will probably do that in the console variant would be my guess
Now part of me wishes that i should have waited for this as its cheaper, what do you think ?
I wouldn’t worry about it. Just have fun :)
What is the name of the game with the character «Madame» fighting «Ah! Yeah?» and what core is it using?
SNES and that’s Gourmet Warriors. A very weird and fun game
BTW.... In all of this, will Terasic stay quiet about some unknown almost cloning their board?
I doubt they will take notice
If Taki pulls this off for this price then he is a hero in my book and deserves to be in Mister FPGA hall of fame up there with Sorgelig, FPGAzumSpass and Jotego. 🤪
What about me??? 🤣
@@VideoGameEsoterica You are a hero we don't deserve. 😁
But the one we need.
I’m just a dude rambling on about games haha
@@VideoGameEsoterica You mean heroically rambling about games, cape flapping in the wind. 😄
It's a such a double-edged blade for me because I'm happy that more people will be able to get in on it but I wonder how long before Nintendo tries to do something once it becomes too popular.
Emulators have been popular for a long time and aren't illegal. The only thing Nintendo has done recently is gone after one of the Wii emulators because they used dumped data from the actual Wii (or maybe it was a Switch emulator? I forget the details) if there was anything Nintendo could do to stop NES, SNES, N64 emulators, their lawyers would've done it decades ago.
@@desktorp yeah but they're emulating the console hardware not the actual games with fpga, all I'm trying to say is once Nintendo's ugly face rears in the direction of fpga we don't know what's going to happen.
Clean room reverse engineering. They can’t do anything
@@VideoGameEsoterica only thing that sucks that they could litigate and put somebody through hell to discourage them.
Cheaper boards… alternative MiSTer… semiconductor silicon-chip war! Should I invest in FSELX with high fees or instead should I go 75% FNILX & 25% FZILX with zero fees? Either route gives me high semiconductor exposure.
Put it all on red. That’s my advice
@@VideoGameEsotericaLOL! Also though… no one ever thought Intel, Sun Microsystems, & AMD would all be trumped by NVIDIA. It was a complementary company in the computer world making graphics cards… now NVIDIA has the fastest most advanced powerful chip in the entire world. No joke!
AI really helps pay the bills that’s for sure
Are people making their own arcade setups with these and selling them? Even the actual Mister FPGA hardware? Do you know any good places online to buy them? I would definitely support people even hobbiests selling these.
You can get a JAMMA board for MiSTer from MiSTerAddons
When I first heard of this I was kind of neutral because I thought you would need massive compromises to get the price down, like not being able to play 5th Gen consoles or locking you out of upgrades and addons. After seeing that it’s basically feature complete, on top of the addons for this board being analogously cheaper, I must say I’m seriously considering getting this board when I’ve got the time and money.
Yes seems like no compromises so far
What is the shmup at 5:46?
Esprade
Yep
I wish I knew how to setup a "mister". 😢
I have setup guides on the channel
Will this support SNAC?
It should do 100% of what a current MiSTer build does per Taki and the chats on discord
Getting this if MARS never materializes
I’d get one anyway
I need something to play Arcade games on my TV other than my computer hooked up to my TV so this is perfect for that
Yes this will make it so having multiple setups is that much cheaper
Do you think that the official DE10 price will come back to the original $125 price when the $99 board starts selling? Otherwise, why would anyone buy the DE10 of this new board is only 99 bucks?!
I doubt DE-10 Nano is an important source of revenue for Terasic, it was never meant to be as far as I understand and at some point (maybe even up until now) was even subsidized by Intel, meaning Intel had some financial incentives in place for Terasic to produce this board. It's meant as a learning board for people to get hooked on Altera's FPGA ecosystem and chips (Altera being Intel's subsidiary, of course). So I don't know, if Terasic is even interested in changing anything about the pricing, they probably couldn't care less.
No I’m sure it’ll stay the same
What controller is that?
Not the slightest clue 🤷🏻♂️
It looks like a CRKD
I think that's the Arthritis Pro
Yeah Neo or Neo S by CRKD
At that price my kid will have one in her room
Hell yeah!
Could this be a MiSTery no longer!?
Ruh roh
I still fail to see the draw of FPGA when I can emulate everything already.
Original hardware latency, more accurate audio...
@@matthewhall6288 I guess that depends on the core and is not a general rule.
@@matthewhall6288If you already have a good PC, the first point is practically solved if you use runahead &or frame delay.
Bought a RG405M off FB Marketplace for $90. Installed GarlicOS on it, enabled runahead + frame delay, boom. Less latency than the original hardware while playing Kaizo Mario romhacks on the go.
@@ciaranmccarthy True. Some software emulation is flawless.
7:12 game name?
Gourmet Warriors
@@VideoGameEsoterica thanks mate, you're the best!
👍
Wooo! Take that Mister you sob's! The monopoly is over.
Lol there is no monopoly. Nobody is Terasic in the community
Okay I don't want to be a negative nancy here but what is stopping the $99 price from being scalped higher just like every other trendy SBC? I will buy one of these for $100 (+ RAM costs, etc) but I'm already seeing comments from people saying they want to buy several of them which just sounds like more raspberry pi hog behavior incoming. I'm going to try to remain positive but I'm not holding my breath to actually get one of these for $100, if at all.
Nothing is stopping that sadly. In any Avenue of gaming hardware
Shut up and take my money
Hopefully soon
FIRST!
This man cannot be stopped
@@VideoGameEsoterica he has some channel points. 😆
Def well in the lead in this imaginary virtual contest 🤣
Old news, we all saw Taki video a long time ago...
Didn’t stop you from stopping in and commenting 🤣
@@VideoGameEsoterica He posts random troll comments on other channels too, it's kinda funny.
Oh I know. I try to get everyone else to make fun of him for it in their responses. Takes the fun away and gives it back to us 😂