MrTommo2304 I got a few video ideas for you. I love the idea of bankai theory videos for characters that we didn’t get to see like ukitake and isshin. Doing a rewrite series for bleach would be awesome I’d love to see how you would put your spin on parts of bleach that left more to be desired for example the Royal Guard versus yhwach and his elite guard. Last off a all bankai ranking video so I loved the top 10 bankai video but I’d love to see where u would rank the rest of them. I think it would be cool if you rank all the other bankai and just end it at 11 and ask the viewer to watch the top ten bankai video to finish it off
My biggest question is what would happen if more people were involved? There’s a limited number of characters within the story but they say if he activates it and pulls like 50 people in who plays what? Or would the story itself be fundamentally changed to accommodate it
If Katen Kyokotsu turn child games into reality... I think Katen Kyokotsu Karamatsu Shinjuu turn all the Japanese folklore tales into reality, so, his bankai has a lot of possibilities.
Definitely can see that, makes sense but also makes it one of the most powerful bankais out there if he has multiple bankai level plays each with 4 acts
Kyoraku's zanpakuto is a double entendre on the word "Play". "Play" in regards to how a child interprets that word, and "Play" in regards to how an adult interprets that word. Children interpret it as a game, which is displayed in his shikai. Adults interpret it as a theatrical performance/story which is displayed in his bankai. Both were also monumental turning point in his life where he was force to grow up mentally after his brother's death
Hear my theory, I think, Kyoraku's bankai is not just limited to one story. His shikai is to make all Japanese childrens' games into deadly games and his bankai supposed to make theatre PLAYS into reality. He has actually multiple plays with multiple acts. But he can only choose one play for each situation, that's why he can't use another play in his fight with lille barro because only one play can come into reality per bankai release. He chose to play the lover's story because that play suites the situation with lille barro being invincible to physical attacks. He can, in diffrent circumstances and situations, choose another play. And all theatre plays are deadly. For me, that'd be cool and fantastic to imagine.
For me, this Bankai is peak Kubo writing. I remember first reading it way back when it fist came out, I was astonished at how phamatic and amazing it is and looked.
@Marcquise White It can't. Enemies have to kill Shunsui before he activates his bankai or play by its rules. Characters like Ichibei and ywhach would be able to cancel it out due to hax tho.
@Marcquise White Have exponentially greater spiritual pressure than shunsui so his riatsu has no effect on you, or you can just kill yourself and shunsui would have to die too I think
My interpretation was that the man beat the woman so badly one time that he killed her and the whole play is him living with the regret and Shunsui is the ghost of the woman leading him along the stages of grief and regret.. pain and shock (act 1) then feeling painfully ill (act 2) then drowning in immense depression (act 3) and finally commiting suicide by hanging himself (act 4)
I like that. I just didn't agree with the reasoning behind it. I know it exists because of how things are told in the series, but I hate the idea of a Bankai that hurts the user. I believe in the idea that the Bankai is the user's greatest power like Ichigo and Byakuya and Soi Fon and multiple other Bankai in Bleach. Shouldn't be explained on how it equally affects the user and opponents, because it doesn't. It could be explained as each side of his Bankai represents audio and visual and it twists your perception on each to make it seem the opponents are going through the grizzly reenactment of a murder, then boom you're dead, if you're not strong enough to withstand it. I mean that is an equally plausible explanation of how his Bankai could work, or completely in they wrong direction. It's still up to the person to decide how they understand it, and that's just my thoughts on it
I like to think that each character's Zanpakutō has a central premise or "theme" that determines how their Shikai and Bankai work. In this case, I think the theme of Katen Kyōkotsu is theater. More specifically, I believe his Zanpakutō represents the dichotomy of tragedy vs comedy. Many people consider tragedy and comedy to be two sides of the same coin, and Katen Kyōkotsu is essentially a physical manifestation of this idea. For example, his Shikai is about children’s games. On the one hand, children playing games will often laugh their little heads off at the sheer joy they’re having, and getting people to laugh is largely the point of a comedy. On the other hand, the idea of watching grown men play children’s games like red light green light is ridiculous to most people. So, when it does happen, everyone in view will often find one reason or another the laugh at the events. Kyoraku’s Shikai basically forces the later situation on both himself and his opponents, but with much more lethal results. Then there’s his Bankai, which clearly represents the idea of tragedy. The depressing atmosphere, the dark lighting, the exceptionally sad story, suicide pacts, all of these are basic tropes of the genre. Hell, the story itself is about two lovers, and few tragedies are more well known (and/or constantly reused) than the quintessential lover's tragedy: Romeo and Juliet. Kyoraku’s Bankai basically weaponizes this by throwing the story itself at every one involved. I think the range of the Shikai and Bankai are representative of this as well. The enjoyment of a game is often limited to those participating in it, but a tragic play affects everyone in the theater. As a result, Katen Kyōkotsu’s shikai only affects Kyoraku himself and his opponent, or, more loosely, his “playmate” at the time. His Bankai, however, is a full on theatrical performance. The lights are dimmed, the parts are assigned, the stage is set, everything necessary to create the perfect atmosphere is implemented in his Bankai. However, this also means that everyone in the “theater” is affected by it. And what is the theater, you ask? Simple. It’s the range of Kyoraku’s Reiatsu. Anyone close enough to feel his Reiatsu is an “audience member”, which means they can view (and even participate) his performance. And while he may be able to control which play the theater puts on, there's not much he can do about who enters the theater. That’s my two cents anyway. (Note: Edited for spacing and spelling.)
It fits with his ruthless pragmatism that comes into play when things get dangerously urgent. Some Shinigami see war and fighting as your typical play of Samurai Honor but Shunsui sees it for what it really is, and will end it quickly to ensure his faction and more importantly his allies survive. Shunsui is a modern warrior in more ways than one even if he leads an organization that values archiac notions of honor.
I think Kyoraku isn't in control of the Bankai, at least in so far as the part he plays. I think that he understands his role in the Bankai and so has resigned himself to it. That's his advantage. He knows how the story will end. One of two ways. _You die, or we die._ That overlooks the 3rd possibility. The opponents are stronger than him in either will or spirit, and Kyoraku is the one who is going to die in the story. He is not the one playing the role of the woman, but the husband with regrets. His relationship with his Zanpakuto also seems to be much more intimate, but also more of a Bargain, or an agreement of some kind. They live together. They die together. Very interesting design.
It's not a matter of stronger will or spirit, but a matter of rules. Those who witness his bankai are bound to the rules. Only Yhwach can possibly *not* die from it, as his powers are multiversal [past/present/future/tangible/ethereal; all at once], so to speak & Kyoraku's power, and rules, can only work in one verse/plane.
@@WeyardWiz I just saw Yamato bankai in anime saw episode 6 yesterday....... To be honest I don't know Shunsui bankai is powerful enough for Yamato bankai but it is come close to it levels.... If Tite Kubo add and writing more abilities on Shunsui bankai like give him a power of imagination since his bankai is already about imagination of 2 lovers died each other which kinda based on Japanese mythology legend of " *Shinjū* " make it more bit op and broken since Kubo rushing it the Manga Edited: Like give Shunsui bankai ability use Shunsui imagination to take Shunsui and his opponent out of the space when Big azz Black hole coming under of them and the Big Sun top of them around the galaxy just like Act 3 under water when first person runs out of Reiatsu he/she will go to Black hole died instantly or go to Sun to burn to death....Like for a example a person who lied to their partner like got caught cheating in their relationship their lies it costs them of their actions Lies require commitment.” “Man is not what he thinks he is, he is what he hides Things come apart so easily when they have been held together with lies.” “Anything is better than lies and deceit!” hence their lies will be hidden in darkness of Black hole which they try to hide to keep it from their lovers like a shadow or their lies will be burned in their hearts just children said "Liar Liar Liar their pants on fire" since his The power of Katen Kyōkotsu is to "make children's games real". Shunsui use his remaining of his Retisu to summon Giant shadow evil monster based off Amatsu-Mikaboshi( Japanese mythology God of Darkness and Chaos which it is represented of The Black Hole) and summoning another giant Shining Warrior based off Amaterasu Ōmikami(Japanese mythology God of The Sun and creator of all living things) represent of the Sun.
All the hype and character statements leading up to it made it well worth it for me. Incredibly powerful, builds off his shikai, and pretty damn creative imo.
Jushiro is possibly the biggest fuck you in this arc next to Unohana and whatever happened to Kisuke. He does nothing the whole series then dies pointlessly.
@@Mugetsu2021 In the Soul Society Arc. It was implied by both Yamamoto that each of them were peerless when it came to battle and that the defied the imagination. The reason why Shunsui might have been stronger is because of Jushiro’s Illness.
Ah yes my favorite character with one of the most broken bankai! I love how it fits his character. His Shikai is child dreams, but his Bankai is theater and is called “ The Theater Suicide” which is different than his shikai since it’s based around adult stories. Making it more tragic compared to his Shikai
This makes me understand what Ukitake meant when he told him “no, you can’t use it. there are too many people around who could see your bankai” back when Shunsui was fighting Stark. Which seems like anyone who sees him activate his bankai gets pulled into the theatre play. Which us why Ukitake didn’t want him to use it when so many people would be at risk of being tied in.
I think it was mentioned at some point it has a range. I don't think you are pulled in by seeing it you are pulled in by being in a certain range where everyone gets in. This also means the wounded too. Karakura was much smaller space if i remember.
Bruh if we saw aizens, whatever it may have been, he would’ve ended the series. kyoka suigetsu was only his shikai and it still fucked so many people up 😭
My favorite captain will always be Byakuya but damn if shunsui wasnt right there too. His bankai is so unique and honestly tragic. You wouldnt expect his transition to bankai would get rid of the kid's games and go straight to a tragic play
I also think there're more "plays" to his Bankai, just like how his Shikai has more than one "game". I think he's at the whim of Katen Kyokotsu on which play and he and anyone else who gets affected are just chosen as the actors in random roles (hence why it was not safe for him to use during fake Karakura). With the play we saw, Lille "chose" his role by hitting Kyoraku beforehand
i Could see his Bankai being able to perform different Plays, depending on the situation. It could very well be that he tells a story and his Enemy caught up in it. Why he does not want anyone else in it, could be because it is sharing his deepest feelings and thoughts and is very intimate. Just like it is with poets that write their plays. Maybe he does not know and trusts in her that she could sustain such a burden of emotions. He always shielded her from everything.
I agree!! Just like his Shikia the games vary based on the mood of the spirit of his sword. Because he played different games against Lille vs the ones he played against Starrk
I think this was an amazing Bankai, so unique, creative and powerful. I wonder if it could even take down somebody as powerful as Bankai Yamamoto, since the 1st Act should definitely be able to bypass Yama's perfect flame defense and injure him, triggering for sure the following Acts. That said, I kinda doubt that the killing blow at the end would be able to get through Yama's flames (which I certainly don't see being extinguished by the water of Act 3).
I love the more abstract shikai and bankai. They're so unsettling in an almost cosmic horror way. I like those kinds of abilities more than the "hurr durr bigger sword, big boom" bankai.
shunsui bankai kind of reminds me of yamamoto bankai, with a 4 step ability and one of them being a one kill shot, funny since both are captain commander, oh and they both sorta have a area of effect.
Zanka No Tachi isen't a step ability, it was only shown that way so that we could see the full potential of Yamamoto's Bankai, but he can only use a single form
I think that the Bankai would effect shunsui if the victim doesn’t react. If they don’t panic and “reject” the promise then they’d both die or maybe just shunsui
i suspect more people become different characters. which is part of why he's so selective in using his bankai. it isn't that kyoraku is in control, he just knows the story very intimately, and acts to ensure he gets the role he wants. it also explains his behavior over-all. from his effeminate mannerisms to his playful fighting style. he can't commit to being the aggressor until he can be sure he won't need his bankai, because he doesn't want to be the husband
So, my shot at this: Kyoraku can activate his bankai only when he is badly wounded. Once badly wounded there is a thread-like connection between the aggressor and the victim that forces both of them to literally live the tragic story. So once activated the aggressor is doomed: he either choses to die by accepting the story's end or gets killed by trying to flee his promise like a coward. Basically when you face Kyoraku you have three choices: you either kill him in one blow, run away or be a drinking buddy to him. Once you've heavily wounded him, you're fucked.
💕💕💕Waitttt!!!!! A minute!!!!! Wow so much depth in his bankai . This is my favorite bankai so far!!!!!!! I like how the bankai has a special meaning to it. It’s deep dark and beautiful 🦋🌙✨
This bankai is actually one of my favorites along with Urahara's and Yamamoto's. I REALLY wish we got to see Ukitake's because since him and Shunsui were equal's, we can assume his was just as deadly as Shunsui's. Anyway, I think his bankai is pretty OP aside from the story which made perfect sense. The way his Shikai and Bankai are linked (Shikai = playful as a kid, Bankai = sorrow as an adult) reflects Shunsui's life. I can't recall another zanpaktou like that and it fits him perfectly. What would be theoretically interesting is if he can control the "plays." In other words, what if his bankai were plays that would "theatrically" adjust to the enemies weaknesses? The story would be the same but it would have different "events" leading to the same outcome which is death? Those "events" would determine if the next act is needed if the enemy doesn't die before his or her ultimate doom? Just a theory...
My opinion: The drawback to this Bankai is that anyone trapped in the play (the area) needs to play out all of the acts. Shunsui would have to know how the bankai works at some point in training? So meaning, he knew the risks. Someone has to die, and if the opponents resolve is strong, it's possible that both the man and woman (in the play) die, like the woman is trying to find someone to properly go down with her in act 3.
Kyoraku's bankai was a dud for me. I wanted the "Ultimate Game" of death. Like his shikai on crack. Where rules are very strict and abstract. Like ur in a game for your life and the slightest misstep would end in you "Losing"
Damn....now I see why he said it was too dangerous! Every bit of damage he infected on the enemy he will receive. At the end, if the enemy accepts the suicide then they both die. That's crazy.
The transition between the acts are likely not a single path. It might even be a branching story. My guess is that if Lille hadn't tried to flee during the third act of the play, it wouldn't let Kyoraku trigger the fourth. Just like with his Shikai's "games", where both "players" are bound by the rules, there are conditions to be met for each step, and Kyoraku probably picked the play based on context; His wounds relative to his enemy is similar enough to the premise of the play for its rules to apply.
In my own opinion I believe that he is the best captain and has the best bankai his bankai has way more possibilities than just this one play he is totally op and I love it he has so much foreshadowing done on his character through the entire story and I’m totally pumped to see this in the anime itself I’m not disappointed at all in his bankai I believe it’s perfect for his character he’s so mysterious and his shekai and bankai are perfect in my own opinion
Saying Shunsui's Shikai or Zanpakuto is some since represents a degree of "fairness" is routed in a misconception of Shunsui's character. "Remember what Yamamoto said, " Shunsui's is a peace loving man who loves to talk his way out of a fight but he was always able to see the truth." And what exactly does Yama mean by this? The truth in this context is analogous to the reality of the world being a doggy-dog place; hyper-competitive, unfair and unforgiving. *Worst of all, everyone's forced to play and be apart of it*. Shunsui himself hate this, has the greatest disdain for it to the point in which is 'causes him depression and great pain but he simultaneously embraces this world and plays the *game* for what it is. So his Shikai/Bankai/Zanpakuto is not holding up to some measure of fairness, it's maintaining an *appearance* of fair play to *distract* you from the harsh reality that its not. Remember, Shunsui might initiate all the games but he doesn't have to tell you all the rules right away unless necessary, and he's the one that knows the ends and outs of each game, all the loop holes and when the game has switched. Bankai, same thing, the other party doesn't know what triggers the next act and I have a sneaky feeling, regardless of what they do, Shunsui can progress the play as he sees fit anyway. But the story on top of it maintains this *illusion of fairness* (he can just alter the dialogue impromptu for the situation), just like his shikai and just like Shunsui does himself. I'm sure the theories of him having potentially other plays that he could perform, would follow this line of reasoning in some way shape or form too. So his Zanpakuto is actually a perfect parallel to his personality, like someone said, "it's a double entendre on the word play", but also a metaphor for the game of life we all play and are forced into. The games and theatrics are his grace to you, to distract you from the harsh reality your put into, that this shit actually not fair at all and he's not actually going to fight you like it is. Just, appear to. :) Incredibly well designed and DEEP character, truly a peak fictional character. I know his is a late comment for this but relevant still since the anime will be showing this within the next year. @MrTommo2304
I think the way to look at it is, that engaging in battle is supposed to be as intimate as being a pair of lovers. So in a way both combatants agreed to playing their "roles" as soon as the confronted each other. Its a super intriguing bankai, I really dig it!
@MrTommo2304 Great video as always. I don’t know 100% for certain but I’m pretty sure Lille Barro’s first name is pronounced Lee-Yeh Barro and not Lil’ as in Lil’ Wayne. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s the correct pronunciation.
I think you’re right. It sounds more appropriate or feels like that’s how it should be pronounced. Definitely sounds better than Lil Barro. Guess we’ll find out for sure in the near future when that anime finally drops! This is my most anticipated battle.
It was satisfying IMO. The man severely blames himself for two deaths. The Bankai representation of the emotional pain he feels. But as it’s emotional you don’t physically feel it. On top of his desire to make up for those two deaths. Remember, he became so pro-life and fearful of wrongful death he stood up to Yamamoto. His teacher/leader of centuries. It’s definitely not a good fit for a captain commander Bankai. But Hitsu(Toahiru Hitsugaya) does but still has a long way to go. Considering Buddhism version of hell. And Yamamoto’s being more akin to abrahamic religions hell. But Shunsui’s Bankai furthered his character, explained his personality in more detail and self blame for his brother and Nano’s mom. But also his desire to regain honor (Seppuku) being shown through it. And if being an ultimate protection technique that would be perfect for guarding a captain commander. Lastly his duality being on full display. Wanting to enjoy life, tried to. But carries the burden of ultimate regret, by putting the hairpins and cloak on daily, wishing to pay for his actions. And using his Bankai to inflict the emotional pain lives in. ( pain not being there, as emotional pain isn’t physical) but has the most painful ways to die, drowning, disease etc.
My feeling is he is performing the play and has to stay on script. But he has the ability to decide who gets pulled into the play with him to a degree. He wanted nanao to stay out so she doesn't accidently get pulled in to the script. The opponent, maybe not knowing the script being used, can be expertly manipulated into doing what is necessary to advance the plot. So long as the script is followed anyone who can't fight against the bankai's effects will eventually fall to it.
Kyoraku’s shikai: Wind and shadows. Kyoraku’s bankai: shadows and- Hahaha the first thing I thought was a black tornado or a dark wind controlled with his swords. Kubo totally tricked the fans with this bankai. I always wanted to see Matsumoto’s bankai too.
I hate that so many abilities in the back half of Bleach ended up being so incomprehensibly undefeatable. It made fights go one of two ways, countering enormous bullshit with phenomenal bullshit or a one-sided, unwinnable fight for one of the participants. A race to the "win" button, so to speak. It started with Aizen and only got worse as it went. It drained all of my excitement for the series... where's the fun if there's no way for one side to win? Except, of course, for Ichigo "Mr. Final Getsuga" "Just Hit Them With a Bigger Stick" Kurasaki? Gin should have killed Aizen, dammit. It was perfect...or Soi Fon. She hit him with two strikes, he should be dead! What's the point of having rules if you just ignore them when you want to build tension!?
@@loomi3737 My point is that they never should have let Soi Fon get that second hit on him in the first place. It removed her worth entirely and devalued every single unorthodox skill in the series from that point forward. As for Gin...no, that would not have been anticlimactic. It would have been a clever, well-planned gotcha that took a character that had been established as nigh-undefeatable with a *groan* "wish granting orb" and delivered a believable, justified defeat of an otherwise invincible ability, Kyouka Suigetsu. The Bleach manga reeks of the constant escalation that plagues the shonen genre, where good storytelling always gives way to bullshit that hooks you on the next weekly chapter. They all devolve into power creep and nonsense eventually....but for some reason Bleach's downfall hit me hardest. Possibly because I expected so much more.
I may be completely wrong but since Kyoraku’s shikai was children’s games then his bankai were mature plays usually tragedies. I think what happens is that whoever is in range of the bankai’s area of influence will be forced to become the characters in the story. I believe that the storyline may change depending on who the “actors” are and that the amount of control Kyoraku has may be severely limited. Of course again I may be wrong and it’s only that particular story and those particular acts. But I think it would make things very interesting if the storyline does get altered (it still would be a tragedy) and Kyoraku does not get much of a say in how that happens. It would make it even more of a double edge sword than his shikai as with the children games you can at least figure out the rules and win while the bankai would just assign you your role in the story and that is that. Plus it just would be awesome to see more stories acted out.
No. No. The key to understanding this bankai is understanding the shikai. The shikai brings child’s play (games) to life. The bankai brings adult plays (dramas) to life. The key to beating the shikai is to figure out the rules and win the game. The key to beating this bankai is to understand your part and play it in a way that favors you. Shunsui needs to pick the right children's game/adult drama to use for the right opponent. I bet that just like he has multiple games with different rules he can use, there are several storylines/plots and sets of characters he can use as befits the situation or opponent.
Ok so his bankai has the multiple steps right. What if Kyoraku only went through all the steps of his bankai because his enemy was just that strong. A weaker enemy against his bankai could possibly die in the first or second act. I'm also pretty sure that Kyoraku (being well aware of his bankais first act) may or may not take damage on purpose. You said it yourself, if someone is fighting him without knowing anything about his bankai or how he fights you'll never know what he has planned.
Shunsui has always been my favorite. This is a good break down but i believe it goes something like this. Act 1 You hurt me so I return the favor in kind. Act 2 You feel the pain you inflicted on me and regret it. Act 3 Filled with sorrow and regret you do everything you can to excape the fate you have sealed. Act 4 I releive you of the painful burden i carry every single day. I only need 2 fingers for that task.... Head Captain Kyoraku Shunsui....
The way it makes sense to me that this Bankai is only used on enemies that have a major power different than Shunsui. The pre-requisite is probably the same as in act one. That if the enemy hits Shunsui, and Shunsui is unable to damage the enemy so they can get into their roles. I think this is only intended to be used on enemies that are too powerful for Shunsui to deal with. Also, I think if Lile Barro didn't escape act 4 will not trigger. So using the Bankai has a drawback. If his opponent did commit. they would die together.
Thinking on this more, Kyoraku's ShiKai has different games. What if his Bankai also has different stories base on the situation. We got a sad love story base on what happened with Kyoraku and Lil Barro. If Nanao was in the radius of effect, there may be a new story. Another way of looking at this is Kyoraku might be the storyteller and he has to follow certain plots that Katen Kyōkotsu wants. Kinda like in Shikai Katen Kyōkotsu decides what games to play. In Bankai Katen Kyōkotsu is a child that requests a play from Kyroaku. It is kinda a weaker version of Gremmy's power which Kyroaku's stories come true for the people that are affected with the Bankai.
It is conceptually a unique Bankai that's for sure. I didn't knew that this Bankai was so deep and dark. You definitely helped me understand it better. Thank you.
I'm pretty sure Capt K is boning his bankia and that's y he's so chill all the time. Or his bankia story was his as a human and his zanpaktu is his wife
Weird as heck that his Shikai and Bankai have almost nothing to do with eachother. One is about playing "games" and the other is a "play"? Are the games referring to the little kid spirit part of the bankai? Like, other bankai and shikai have SOMETHING to do with eachother. 1. Ichigo's blade becomes larger, almost like it's reflecting his spiritual power; and allows him to release getsuga. Bankai like does the opposite and compresses all the energy, and seems like getsuga gets stronger. 2. Renji's becomes that extendo-blade, bankai is like a giant version of this, but as a snake. 3. Byakuya, them flower petals, bankai is more petals and swords Even Soifons has some relation, shikai is double sting and kill. Bankai as weird as it is is super rocket but one hit kill.
I like it when he was talking about how the characters were feeling the presence of this Bankai how they were feeling cold and shivering and feeling just the effects of this Bankai but what I feel like you was trying to portray in the first part of it the activation of it it's more like the lights of a theater turning off that chilling Melancholy Vibe of a play getting ready to start that's what I feel like they were trying to portray when they did that
I'm curious if this bankai is used against someone more powerful than Shunsui such as Ywach. Would the plays continue or would it be broken in between.
Like many of bleach lovers..i also think that kyoraku has many plays in his sleeve. But he has to choose one based on the situation. In novel he used another new technique. Basically his true ability is change the reality by the plays he choose fit the situation. That's why he feared nanao will catch up and he had to include her in the play. In per bankai he can use only one story. there is another possibility that he never get to choose the story. Its the zampaktu who choose the story. It depends on the mood of the zampaktu. That is why Shunsui mentioned before the release of his bankai " lets see what is waiting for me on the other side". Well, if he always use the same story..then he should have known all the acts and ending scenes.Man..hell of a power..this is much scarier..and this is the true power of him. Please analysis this possibility @MrTommo2304 will ya?
I think the "promise of both dying in the game" only works because kyoraku was ready to die for real. I guess you cant activate this bankai If you are not ready to die
Captain 8 is by far one of the best captains, it's a reason he was chosen to be yamamoto's replacement, It's not so much that it's a illusion, he's manifesting and manipulating reality, some things are not to be looked into too deeply it's a dark zombie and that is the base of it, the story is a dark one
That bankai is creepy and scary, more than old Yama's summoning the dead. I can't wait for TYBW! I want it to be gory! The music for it would be unnerving and depressing. Haven't read the manga, and it's pretty much spoiled for me but I'm still excited.
That was the best explanation I have heard of his bankai yet, especially what the characters are supposed to do in the play. Makes you wonder if both combatants would have died, if Lille had played along.
Shunsui Kyoraku slept with Katen and then Kyokosu was born. I love this interaction in the Zanpakuto rebellion arc. Shunsui: There’s something wrong here.. Katen: Hm? What is? Shunsui: Well you see the way how I always been fighting is using the short sword to confuse my opponents and then bring out the big sword to deliver the finishing blow. That’s the exact purpose of my Zanpakuto. I presume you two fight this way too. But you’re not. The short sword is the only one doing the attack and meanwhile you the big sword is doing nothing. Katen: My My what an observant master we have. Shunsui: Forgive me for pointing out the obvious. Katen: I don’t think acting like a smartass is helping your situation.
I think their would be a different play is nanao was their to fit the setting just like their is multiple games. I'm not sure if it would be automatic or his choice but I would assume it would have to choose a play that could incorporate everyone as players. As for it's effects I'm guessing it's kinda like a choose your own adventure story. Since Lillie decided to try and escape it transitioned into the neck slice. But if he hadn't it would have resulted in both of them dying via drowning. Basically the story of the play follows the actors changing the symbolic effects with it.
I was completely satisfied with Kyoraku's Bankai but was not happy with how he wasn't able to kill his enemy. I don't know why they gave his niece/Vice Captain the win.
I think Shunsui is not in control so much as he is just a medium from which the story can be told and is thus forced to go along with it. Like you pointed out, he is the woman in the play. So if Nanao was caught up in it, or anyone else for that matter, and they panicked and tried to escape the water, Shunsui would be forced to kill them in accordance with the play. That's why his Zanpakuto appears, she is the real power controlling the play and is just acting through Shunsui. She's the narrator so to speak. So I do think that Shunsui would also die if he tried to escape the water as the narrative would just change to the woman losing her will and trying to back out of the promise, at which point the "man" would kill her. Or maybe Katan would appear behind Lille making him the woman in the play and Shunsui the man. So the water isn't just a battle of edurance, but a battle of wills. Shunsui just has the advantage since he knows what to expect
Start the weekend off right with MrTommo and my favorite Captain, Shunsui. Can’t wait to see this creepy odd bankai animated. Wanna see how everyone reacts when he activates it and everything goes dark. I love the area affect bankai, especially the themed ones where you’re just forced into another world. Shunsui and Tosen type bankai
I think it's really well done when you consider the shikai is about the woman being cruel and and unwilling to compromise forcing shinsui to use whatever move she wants. It gives more layers to the bankai
I like the fact that we see her, the sword just as we saw her in the anime. I love call backs like this. Because I felt they got Rukia's and Byakuya's swords done well in the anime too. I imagined that Rukia's sword would be a beautiful snow witch. I particularly like theirs, Shuhei's, Izuru's, and Yamamoto's.
I thoght the second act changed somehow the reality of the oponant, in this case, making those holes of the fist act a decease that he had from birth, but maybe the tranlation of the site was wrong, the way you said made much more sense
I think that suicide pact in act 3 is not an actual suicide pact but the ending toxic relationship. The girl wants to be in that toxic relationship even after getting hit by the abusive man(which is an indication that relationship is sour) but the man wants to end it (although he promised to be in it forever) and run away so she slits his throat. Also Kyokaru's whole character gives me a kind of Byronic Hero feels which makes this whole thing even better.
This makes me think...how cool would an anime character's power be to force them and their opponents to play the role of characters in different stories? Like, imagine a character activating their power and forcing themself and their opponent to play through King Lear or Romeo and Juliet? This is a cool Bankai.
I thought his bankai was awesome, but I still wonder about something Ukitake said your bankai mustn't be used where people can see it so, if a group of people had been dragged in, would all of them have played the same role in the bankai script? would every member of a group essentially be the man in this play? or could some people be seen as background characters, who would just feel the full terror of being close to and seeing Shunsui's bankai
what im thinking right now is : Maybe the bankai depends on the enemy mind state. Comparing the theatral story and Shunsui bankai in this fight : _In the play Lille got desperate and tried to escape then Shunsui finished him up. _Following the story of the lovers, the man broke the suicide pact and so he died cause the woman murdered him. Let's imagine that Shunsui bankai is a narrative. So, let's imagine further that the narrative has two different paths , these two paths are dependent on the enemy. The first path is the path where the men (enemy) cowardly breaks the suicide pact and tried to escape, so it leads to the ending were he is the only one dead cause he gets murdered by the woman. The second path is the path where the men stays truthful to the pact and both died. Do you understand where im trying to get ? The moment Shunsui activated his bankai death was inevitable. Lille was acting as the men and so he went the first path and tried to run away, Shunsui acting has the woman finished him up. BUT WHAT IF Lille followed the second path and he never desperated and runned away ? Exactly, both of them would die cause that's how the narrative was writed, both men (lille) and woman (Shunsui) would drown and die together. Taking in mind what i said, Shunsui bankai looks a like a last resort option cause how dangerous it can be for the wielder. It can finish off the enemy but it can also end the wielder's life.
I had this feeling about a lot of Bankai reveals in the last arc, except for maybe Urahara’s which actually seems to fit who he is, this one had a cool story, but it just felt like something cobbled together out of nowhere, even his relationship to Nanao that comes after. Cool concept, odd execution.
there's tons of self reflection on everyones shikai and bankai. i've said it before and i'll say it again :P, everyones sword reflects who they are, tosen, komamro, kuchiki, kenpachi, unohana, aizen, they all match there inner souls true desire
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So did Kyoraku's long-awaited Bankai live up to your expectations? Would you have changed it at all? Let me know!
MrTommo2304 can you do a what if scenario where ichigo didnt lose his dangai powers or you can do what if ichigo had ruijin jakka
MrTommo2304 I got a few video ideas for you. I love the idea of bankai theory videos for characters that we didn’t get to see like ukitake and isshin. Doing a rewrite series for bleach would be awesome I’d love to see how you would put your spin on parts of bleach that left more to be desired for example the Royal Guard versus yhwach and his elite guard. Last off a all bankai ranking video so I loved the top 10 bankai video but I’d love to see where u would rank the rest of them. I think it would be cool if you rank all the other bankai and just end it at 11 and ask the viewer to watch the top ten bankai video to finish it off
My biggest question is what would happen if more people were involved? There’s a limited number of characters within the story but they say if he activates it and pulls like 50 people in who plays what? Or would the story itself be fundamentally changed to accommodate it
Sounds a lot like a Genjutsu tbh lol, Mr. Tom’s videos are great 👍🏻
I loved it and thought it fit his theme and character very well.
If Katen Kyokotsu turn child games into reality... I think Katen Kyokotsu Karamatsu Shinjuu turn all the Japanese folklore tales into reality, so, his bankai has a lot of possibilities.
while it may not be only japanese ones.
Definitely can see that, makes sense but also makes it one of the most powerful bankais out there if he has multiple bankai level plays each with 4 acts
Imagine seeing Amaterasu, Susano, Izanagi, etc. in Bleach😂
That would be a devastating power. Imagine all the legendary stuff that can be summoned with his reiatsu
@@agni_ohimagine totsuka blade in bleach exceot the man is moving a lot faster than starrks cero spam
Kyoraku's bankai isnt limited to one play. In the novel he used another play.
I love his bankai! Such a unique anime power.
So if he knows hamlet will it do hamlet?
@@shawnboahene5231 yes lol
Ooooh interesting have to read
Can you tell me where and in what novel? From what I have read in cfyow he only uses his shikai.
Gee I hope you are correct. If he could do multiple plays I am sure the next one will not disappoint
Kyoraku's zanpakuto is a double entendre on the word "Play". "Play" in regards to how a child interprets that word, and "Play" in regards to how an adult interprets that word. Children interpret it as a game, which is displayed in his shikai. Adults interpret it as a theatrical performance/story which is displayed in his bankai. Both were also monumental turning point in his life where he was force to grow up mentally after his brother's death
That was very well put
This is amazing, I never put that together. Brilliant comment thank you for sharing.
Awesome
Love your insight
Damn never thought of that
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Hear my theory,
I think, Kyoraku's bankai is not just limited to one story. His shikai is to make all Japanese childrens' games into deadly games and his bankai supposed to make theatre PLAYS into reality. He has actually multiple plays with multiple acts. But he can only choose one play for each situation, that's why he can't use another play in his fight with lille barro because only one play can come into reality per bankai release. He chose to play the lover's story because that play suites the situation with lille barro being invincible to physical attacks. He can, in diffrent circumstances and situations, choose another play. And all theatre plays are deadly.
For me, that'd be cool and fantastic to imagine.
That's exactly how it works. At least that's what can be inferred from the manga.
Wow well explained !
Great theory my guy
you are absolutely right. @Mr tommo2304 can you analysis this issue please..
That's pure headcanon with nothing whatsoever to back it up lmfao. The bankai is called lovers suicide. It's one play lol about one story.
For me, this Bankai is peak Kubo writing. I remember first reading it way back when it fist came out, I was astonished at how phamatic and amazing it is and looked.
@Marcquise White It actually does make sense. it turns games and plays into reality
@Marcquise White It can't. Enemies have to kill Shunsui before he activates his bankai or play by its rules. Characters like Ichibei and ywhach would be able to cancel it out due to hax tho.
@Marcquise White Have exponentially greater spiritual pressure than shunsui so his riatsu has no effect on you, or you can just kill yourself and shunsui would have to die too I think
Phamatic
My interpretation was that the man beat the woman so badly one time that he killed her and the whole play is him living with the regret and Shunsui is the ghost of the woman leading him along the stages of grief and regret.. pain and shock (act 1) then feeling painfully ill (act 2) then drowning in immense depression (act 3) and finally commiting suicide by hanging himself (act 4)
Your is dark as well... Its more like torture !!!
I like that. I just didn't agree with the reasoning behind it. I know it exists because of how things are told in the series, but I hate the idea of a Bankai that hurts the user. I believe in the idea that the Bankai is the user's greatest power like Ichigo and Byakuya and Soi Fon and multiple other Bankai in Bleach.
Shouldn't be explained on how it equally affects the user and opponents, because it doesn't. It could be explained as each side of his Bankai represents audio and visual and it twists your perception on each to make it seem the opponents are going through the grizzly reenactment of a murder, then boom you're dead, if you're not strong enough to withstand it. I mean that is an equally plausible explanation of how his Bankai could work, or completely in they wrong direction. It's still up to the person to decide how they understand it, and that's just my thoughts on it
I like to think that each character's Zanpakutō has a central premise or "theme" that determines how their Shikai and Bankai work. In this case, I think the theme of Katen Kyōkotsu is theater. More specifically, I believe his Zanpakutō represents the dichotomy of tragedy vs comedy. Many people consider tragedy and comedy to be two sides of the same coin, and Katen Kyōkotsu is essentially a physical manifestation of this idea.
For example, his Shikai is about children’s games. On the one hand, children playing games will often laugh their little heads off at the sheer joy they’re having, and getting people to laugh is largely the point of a comedy. On the other hand, the idea of watching grown men play children’s games like red light green light is ridiculous to most people. So, when it does happen, everyone in view will often find one reason or another the laugh at the events. Kyoraku’s Shikai basically forces the later situation on both himself and his opponents, but with much more lethal results.
Then there’s his Bankai, which clearly represents the idea of tragedy. The depressing atmosphere, the dark lighting, the exceptionally sad story, suicide pacts, all of these are basic tropes of the genre. Hell, the story itself is about two lovers, and few tragedies are more well known (and/or constantly reused) than the quintessential lover's tragedy: Romeo and Juliet. Kyoraku’s Bankai basically weaponizes this by throwing the story itself at every one involved.
I think the range of the Shikai and Bankai are representative of this as well. The enjoyment of a game is often limited to those participating in it, but a tragic play affects everyone in the theater. As a result, Katen Kyōkotsu’s shikai only affects Kyoraku himself and his opponent, or, more loosely, his “playmate” at the time. His Bankai, however, is a full on theatrical performance. The lights are dimmed, the parts are assigned, the stage is set, everything necessary to create the perfect atmosphere is implemented in his Bankai. However, this also means that everyone in the “theater” is affected by it.
And what is the theater, you ask? Simple. It’s the range of Kyoraku’s Reiatsu. Anyone close enough to feel his Reiatsu is an “audience member”, which means they can view (and even participate) his performance. And while he may be able to control which play the theater puts on, there's not much he can do about who enters the theater.
That’s my two cents anyway.
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Lovely analysis
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That's a great analysis and I completely agree with your interpretation.
Love this analysis, think it fits really well!
yo... this bankai is actually tragically beautiful thank you for opening my eyes to it
It fits with his ruthless pragmatism that comes into play when things get dangerously urgent. Some Shinigami see war and fighting as your typical play of Samurai Honor but Shunsui sees it for what it really is, and will end it quickly to ensure his faction and more importantly his allies survive. Shunsui is a modern warrior in more ways than one even if he leads an organization that values archiac notions of honor.
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The way I understood it originally was that Kyoraku actually never knows if he's going to live through his bankai every time he activates it.
I think Kyoraku isn't in control of the Bankai, at least in so far as the part he plays.
I think that he understands his role in the Bankai and so has resigned himself to it. That's his advantage. He knows how the story will end. One of two ways. _You die, or we die._
That overlooks the 3rd possibility. The opponents are stronger than him in either will or spirit, and Kyoraku is the one who is going to die in the story. He is not the one playing the role of the woman, but the husband with regrets.
His relationship with his Zanpakuto also seems to be much more intimate, but also more of a Bargain, or an agreement of some kind. They live together. They die together.
Very interesting design.
It's not a matter of stronger will or spirit, but a matter of rules. Those who witness his bankai are bound to the rules. Only Yhwach can possibly *not* die from it, as his powers are multiversal [past/present/future/tangible/ethereal; all at once], so to speak & Kyoraku's power, and rules, can only work in one verse/plane.
Can't wait to see his Bankai animated.
Me too!
Me too.
@@WeyardWiz I just saw Yamato bankai in anime saw episode 6 yesterday....... To be honest I don't know Shunsui bankai is powerful enough for Yamato bankai but it is come close to it levels.... If Tite Kubo add and writing more abilities on Shunsui bankai like give him a power of imagination since his bankai is already about imagination of 2 lovers died each other which kinda based on Japanese mythology legend of " *Shinjū* " make it more bit op and broken since Kubo rushing it the Manga
Edited: Like give Shunsui bankai ability use Shunsui imagination to take Shunsui and his opponent out of the space when Big azz Black hole coming under of them and the Big Sun top of them around the galaxy just like Act 3 under water when first person runs out of Reiatsu he/she will go to Black hole died instantly or go to Sun to burn to death....Like for a example a person who lied to their partner like got caught cheating in their relationship their lies it costs them of their actions Lies require commitment.” “Man is not what he thinks he is, he is what he hides Things come apart so easily when they have been held together with lies.” “Anything is better than lies and deceit!” hence their lies will be hidden in darkness of Black hole which they try to hide to keep it from their lovers like a shadow or their lies will be burned in their hearts just children said "Liar Liar Liar their pants on fire" since his The power of Katen Kyōkotsu is to "make children's games real".
Shunsui use his remaining of his Retisu to summon Giant shadow evil monster based off Amatsu-Mikaboshi( Japanese mythology God of Darkness and Chaos which it is represented of The Black Hole) and summoning another giant Shining Warrior based off Amaterasu Ōmikami(Japanese mythology God of The Sun and creator of all living things) represent of the Sun.
Shinsui really brings that samurai theme to bleach
And I also love the name of his bankai
*Katen Kyokostu Karamastu shinju*
That's not his bankai lol. That's one play from his bankai. He uses another one in the novels
It made his bankai that much more impressive!
@@WeyardWiz Yubikiri Genman is a Shikai move
All the hype and character statements leading up to it made it well worth it for me. Incredibly powerful, builds off his shikai, and pretty damn creative imo.
It is
Wish Jushiro got the same treatment. Especially since he was considered Shunsui’s equal.
Jushiro is possibly the biggest fuck you in this arc next to Unohana and whatever happened to Kisuke.
He does nothing the whole series then dies pointlessly.
@@BlackChapters Kisuke is still alive
When was it stated they were equals in the story? It was always implied Shunsui was stronger
@@Mugetsu2021 In the Soul Society Arc. It was implied by both Yamamoto that each of them were peerless when it came to battle and that the defied the imagination. The reason why Shunsui might have been stronger is because of Jushiro’s Illness.
@@dariusrose9909 Jushiros ilness IS the reason a Shunsui is stronger
Ah yes my favorite character with one of the most broken bankai! I love how it fits his character. His Shikai is child dreams, but his Bankai is theater and is called “ The Theater Suicide” which is different than his shikai since it’s based around adult stories. Making it more tragic compared to his Shikai
This makes me understand what Ukitake meant when he told him “no, you can’t use it. there are too many people around who could see your bankai” back when Shunsui was fighting Stark.
Which seems like anyone who sees him activate his bankai gets pulled into the theatre play. Which us why Ukitake didn’t want him to use it when so many people would be at risk of being tied in.
I think it was mentioned at some point it has a range. I don't think you are pulled in by seeing it you are pulled in by being in a certain range where everyone gets in. This also means the wounded too. Karakura was much smaller space if i remember.
The best bankai reveal of all of bleach. Still wish we actually saw Aizen’s though. 💁🏾♂️
agreed, its such a cool bankai
God Christ Jesus bless you, have a nice day today
Bruh if we saw aizens, whatever it may have been, he would’ve ended the series. kyoka suigetsu was only his shikai and it still fucked so many people up 😭
My favorite captain will always be Byakuya but damn if shunsui wasnt right there too. His bankai is so unique and honestly tragic. You wouldnt expect his transition to bankai would get rid of the kid's games and go straight to a tragic play
I also think there're more "plays" to his Bankai, just like how his Shikai has more than one "game". I think he's at the whim of Katen Kyokotsu on which play and he and anyone else who gets affected are just chosen as the actors in random roles (hence why it was not safe for him to use during fake Karakura). With the play we saw, Lille "chose" his role by hitting Kyoraku beforehand
i Could see his Bankai being able to perform different Plays, depending on the situation.
It could very well be that he tells a story and his Enemy caught up in it.
Why he does not want anyone else in it, could be because it is sharing his deepest feelings and thoughts and is very intimate. Just like it is with poets that write their plays. Maybe he does not know and trusts in her that she could sustain such a burden of emotions. He always shielded her from everything.
I agree!! Just like his Shikia the games vary based on the mood of the spirit of his sword. Because he played different games against Lille vs the ones he played against Starrk
Bankai: Squid Game
I think this was an amazing Bankai, so unique, creative and powerful. I wonder if it could even take down somebody as powerful as Bankai Yamamoto, since the 1st Act should definitely be able to bypass Yama's perfect flame defense and injure him, triggering for sure the following Acts. That said, I kinda doubt that the killing blow at the end would be able to get through Yama's flames (which I certainly don't see being extinguished by the water of Act 3).
I love the more abstract shikai and bankai. They're so unsettling in an almost cosmic horror way. I like those kinds of abilities more than the "hurr durr bigger sword, big boom" bankai.
So are you a boy or girl?
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Yeah ok big sword go brrrr
shunsui bankai kind of reminds me of yamamoto bankai, with a 4 step ability and one of them being a one kill shot, funny since both are captain commander, oh and they both sorta have a area of effect.
Zanka No Tachi isen't a step ability, it was only shown that way so that we could see the full potential of Yamamoto's Bankai, but he can only use a single form
Yeah Yamamoto bankai is not a 4 "step"ability but it have 4 "different" ability, he can choose whatever he wants in those 4 ability
I think that the Bankai would effect shunsui if the victim doesn’t react. If they don’t panic and “reject” the promise then they’d both die or maybe just shunsui
Last time I was this early Kubo was taking a week off for Golden Week
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i suspect more people become different characters. which is part of why he's so selective in using his bankai. it isn't that kyoraku is in control, he just knows the story very intimately, and acts to ensure he gets the role he wants.
it also explains his behavior over-all. from his effeminate mannerisms to his playful fighting style. he can't commit to being the aggressor until he can be sure he won't need his bankai, because he doesn't want to be the husband
😍 one of the best characters in Bleach period! Thank you for the vídeo Mr.
i already loved kyoraku's bankai, having it explained like this makes me love it even more
So, my shot at this: Kyoraku can activate his bankai only when he is badly wounded. Once badly wounded there is a thread-like connection between the aggressor and the victim that forces both of them to literally live the tragic story. So once activated the aggressor is doomed: he either choses to die by accepting the story's end or gets killed by trying to flee his promise like a coward. Basically when you face Kyoraku you have three choices: you either kill him in one blow, run away or be a drinking buddy to him. Once you've heavily wounded him, you're fucked.
💕💕💕Waitttt!!!!! A minute!!!!! Wow so much depth in his bankai . This is my favorite bankai so far!!!!!!! I like how the bankai has a special meaning to it. It’s deep dark and beautiful 🦋🌙✨
Same here, i love how it's written, truly fascinating... It really moved me
Maybe, just maybe, Shunsui is just THAT strong. It's scary to think how strong he would be if he wasn't so lazy 😔
lazy OP characters are the best. Just look at Kisuke Urahara for proof
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This means that his bankai is useless if the user isn't harmed
This bankai is actually one of my favorites along with Urahara's and Yamamoto's. I REALLY wish we got to see Ukitake's because since him and Shunsui were equal's, we can assume his was just as deadly as Shunsui's. Anyway, I think his bankai is pretty OP aside from the story which made perfect sense. The way his Shikai and Bankai are linked (Shikai = playful as a kid, Bankai = sorrow as an adult) reflects Shunsui's life. I can't recall another zanpaktou like that and it fits him perfectly. What would be theoretically interesting is if he can control the "plays." In other words, what if his bankai were plays that would "theatrically" adjust to the enemies weaknesses? The story would be the same but it would have different "events" leading to the same outcome which is death? Those "events" would determine if the next act is needed if the enemy doesn't die before his or her ultimate doom? Just a theory...
My opinion: The drawback to this Bankai is that anyone trapped in the play (the area) needs to play out all of the acts. Shunsui would have to know how the bankai works at some point in training? So meaning, he knew the risks. Someone has to die, and if the opponents resolve is strong, it's possible that both the man and woman (in the play) die, like the woman is trying to find someone to properly go down with her in act 3.
Prob trained it with Ukitake and having god's left hand inside him prob kept em alive for all acts 😅
Kyoraku's bankai was a dud for me. I wanted the "Ultimate Game" of death. Like his shikai on crack. Where rules are very strict and abstract. Like ur in a game for your life and the slightest misstep would end in you "Losing"
Damn....now I see why he said it was too dangerous! Every bit of damage he infected on the enemy he will receive. At the end, if the enemy accepts the suicide then they both die. That's crazy.
What makes it dangerous is people standing by can get sucked in... All of karakura town would have been in the bankai if he did
The transition between the acts are likely not a single path.
It might even be a branching story.
My guess is that if Lille hadn't tried to flee during the third act of the play, it wouldn't let Kyoraku trigger the fourth.
Just like with his Shikai's "games", where both "players" are bound by the rules, there are conditions to be met for each step, and Kyoraku probably picked the play based on context;
His wounds relative to his enemy is similar enough to the premise of the play for its rules to apply.
In my own opinion I believe that he is the best captain and has the best bankai his bankai has way more possibilities than just this one play he is totally op and I love it he has so much foreshadowing done on his character through the entire story and I’m totally pumped to see this in the anime itself I’m not disappointed at all in his bankai I believe it’s perfect for his character he’s so mysterious and his shekai and bankai are perfect in my own opinion
If all the captains used there bankai against aizen they would have more of a chance of winning but probably still lose
Saying Shunsui's Shikai or Zanpakuto is some since represents a degree of "fairness" is routed in a misconception of Shunsui's character.
"Remember what Yamamoto said, " Shunsui's is a peace loving man who loves to talk his way out of a fight but he was always able to see the truth."
And what exactly does Yama mean by this? The truth in this context is analogous to the reality of the world being a doggy-dog place; hyper-competitive, unfair and unforgiving. *Worst of all, everyone's forced to play and be apart of it*. Shunsui himself hate this, has the greatest disdain for it to the point in which is 'causes him depression and great pain but he simultaneously embraces this world and plays the *game* for what it is.
So his Shikai/Bankai/Zanpakuto is not holding up to some measure of fairness, it's maintaining an *appearance* of fair play to *distract* you from the harsh reality that its not. Remember, Shunsui might initiate all the games but he doesn't have to tell you all the rules right away unless necessary, and he's the one that knows the ends and outs of each game, all the loop holes and when the game has switched. Bankai, same thing, the other party doesn't know what triggers the next act and I have a sneaky feeling, regardless of what they do, Shunsui can progress the play as he sees fit anyway. But the story on top of it maintains this *illusion of fairness* (he can just alter the dialogue impromptu for the situation), just like his shikai and just like Shunsui does himself. I'm sure the theories of him having potentially other plays that he could perform, would follow this line of reasoning in some way shape or form too.
So his Zanpakuto is actually a perfect parallel to his personality, like someone said, "it's a double entendre on the word play", but also a metaphor for the game of life we all play and are forced into. The games and theatrics are his grace to you, to distract you from the harsh reality your put into, that this shit actually not fair at all and he's not actually going to fight you like it is.
Just, appear to. :)
Incredibly well designed and DEEP character, truly a peak fictional character.
I know his is a late comment for this but relevant still since the anime will be showing this within the next year.
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Stark. Accutron. And lille. Why's he always fighting people with guns ? Does kubo ever mention ?
I think the way to look at it is, that engaging in battle is supposed to be as intimate as being a pair of lovers. So in a way both combatants agreed to playing their "roles" as soon as the confronted each other. Its a super intriguing bankai, I really dig it!
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I loved your interpretation of the bankai. And it is quite sinister that the spirit offered to take Kyoraku away, which would make her die...
@MrTommo2304 Great video as always. I don’t know 100% for certain but I’m pretty sure Lille Barro’s first name is pronounced Lee-Yeh Barro and not Lil’ as in Lil’ Wayne. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s the correct pronunciation.
I think you’re right. It sounds more appropriate or feels like that’s how it should be pronounced. Definitely sounds better than Lil Barro. Guess we’ll find out for sure in the near future when that anime finally drops! This is my most anticipated battle.
It was satisfying IMO. The man severely blames himself for two deaths. The Bankai representation of the emotional pain he feels. But as it’s emotional you don’t physically feel it.
On top of his desire to make up for those two deaths. Remember, he became so pro-life and fearful of wrongful death he stood up to Yamamoto. His teacher/leader of centuries.
It’s definitely not a good fit for a captain commander Bankai. But Hitsu(Toahiru Hitsugaya) does but still has a long way to go. Considering Buddhism version of hell. And Yamamoto’s being more akin to abrahamic religions hell.
But Shunsui’s Bankai furthered his character, explained his personality in more detail and self blame for his brother and Nano’s mom.
But also his desire to regain honor (Seppuku) being shown through it.
And if being an ultimate protection technique that would be perfect for guarding a captain commander.
Lastly his duality being on full display. Wanting to enjoy life, tried to. But carries the burden of ultimate regret, by putting the hairpins and cloak on daily, wishing to pay for his actions. And using his Bankai to inflict the emotional pain lives in. ( pain not being there, as emotional pain isn’t physical) but has the most painful ways to die, drowning, disease etc.
If it's basically an illusion then anyone with a comparable or stronger spiritual pressure could resist or overcome it such as Aizen for sure
My feeling is he is performing the play and has to stay on script. But he has the ability to decide who gets pulled into the play with him to a degree. He wanted nanao to stay out so she doesn't accidently get pulled in to the script. The opponent, maybe not knowing the script being used, can be expertly manipulated into doing what is necessary to advance the plot. So long as the script is followed anyone who can't fight against the bankai's effects will eventually fall to it.
Is the whole bleach manga colored? Can I read that somewhere?
Just Google it, it's done by fans
@@GammaRingHunter glad I asked just so someone could say just Google it
when the anime gets to this part, I hope they add curtain transitions like with what one piece did with the wano arc acts.
Kyoraku’s shikai: Wind and shadows.
Kyoraku’s bankai: shadows and-
Hahaha the first thing I thought was a black tornado or a dark wind controlled with his swords. Kubo totally tricked the fans with this bankai. I always wanted to see Matsumoto’s bankai too.
Definitely a creative concept. Matsumoto canonically should be able to use a bankai, maybe one day we see it...
I hate that so many abilities in the back half of Bleach ended up being so incomprehensibly undefeatable. It made fights go one of two ways, countering enormous bullshit with phenomenal bullshit or a one-sided, unwinnable fight for one of the participants. A race to the "win" button, so to speak.
It started with Aizen and only got worse as it went. It drained all of my excitement for the series... where's the fun if there's no way for one side to win? Except, of course, for Ichigo "Mr. Final Getsuga" "Just Hit Them With a Bigger Stick" Kurasaki?
Gin should have killed Aizen, dammit. It was perfect...or Soi Fon. She hit him with two strikes, he should be dead! What's the point of having rules if you just ignore them when you want to build tension!?
Gin or soi fon beating aizen would have been the most unsatifiying things ever I cant believe your pretending those things aren't anti climactic
@@loomi3737 My point is that they never should have let Soi Fon get that second hit on him in the first place. It removed her worth entirely and devalued every single unorthodox skill in the series from that point forward.
As for Gin...no, that would not have been anticlimactic. It would have been a clever, well-planned gotcha that took a character that had been established as nigh-undefeatable with a *groan* "wish granting orb" and delivered a believable, justified defeat of an otherwise invincible ability, Kyouka Suigetsu.
The Bleach manga reeks of the constant escalation that plagues the shonen genre, where good storytelling always gives way to bullshit that hooks you on the next weekly chapter. They all devolve into power creep and nonsense eventually....but for some reason Bleach's downfall hit me hardest. Possibly because I expected so much more.
I may be completely wrong but since Kyoraku’s shikai
was children’s games then his bankai were mature plays usually tragedies.
I think what happens is that whoever is in range of the bankai’s area of influence will be forced to become the characters in the story.
I believe that the storyline may change depending on who the “actors” are
and that the amount of control Kyoraku has may be severely limited.
Of course again I may be wrong and it’s only that particular story and those particular acts.
But I think it would make things very interesting if the storyline does get altered (it still would be a tragedy) and Kyoraku does not get much of a say in how that happens.
It would make it even more of a double edge sword than his shikai as with the children games you can at least figure out the rules and win while the bankai would just assign you your role in the story and that is that.
Plus it just would be awesome to see more stories acted out.
It's one of my favorites bankai actually!
Can we have an analysis on Kyoraku next !!?
Everything that happened in the Lille fight was just Kubo being as high as he's ever been.
I agreed about that sir. This fight is out of this world.
No. No. The key to understanding this bankai is understanding the shikai. The shikai brings child’s play (games) to life. The bankai brings adult plays (dramas) to life. The key to beating the shikai is to figure out the rules and win the game. The key to beating this bankai is to understand your part and play it in a way that favors you.
Shunsui needs to pick the right children's game/adult drama to use for the right opponent. I bet that just like he has multiple games with different rules he can use, there are several storylines/plots and sets of characters he can use as befits the situation or opponent.
Ok so his bankai has the multiple steps right. What if Kyoraku only went through all the steps of his bankai because his enemy was just that strong. A weaker enemy against his bankai could possibly die in the first or second act. I'm also pretty sure that Kyoraku (being well aware of his bankais first act) may or may not take damage on purpose. You said it yourself, if someone is fighting him without knowing anything about his bankai or how he fights you'll never know what he has planned.
Shunsui has always been my favorite. This is a good break down but i believe it goes something like this.
Act 1
You hurt me so I return the favor in kind.
Act 2
You feel the pain you inflicted on me and regret it.
Act 3
Filled with sorrow and regret you do everything you can to excape the fate you have sealed.
Act 4
I releive you of the painful burden i carry every single day. I only need 2 fingers for that task....
Head Captain Kyoraku Shunsui....
The way it makes sense to me that this Bankai is only used on enemies that have a major power different than Shunsui. The pre-requisite is probably the same as in act one. That if the enemy hits Shunsui, and Shunsui is unable to damage the enemy so they can get into their roles. I think this is only intended to be used on enemies that are too powerful for Shunsui to deal with. Also, I think if Lile Barro didn't escape act 4 will not trigger. So using the Bankai has a drawback. If his opponent did commit. they would die together.
Thinking on this more, Kyoraku's ShiKai has different games. What if his Bankai also has different stories base on the situation. We got a sad love story base on what happened with Kyoraku and Lil Barro. If Nanao was in the radius of effect, there may be a new story. Another way of looking at this is Kyoraku might be the storyteller and he has to follow certain plots that Katen Kyōkotsu wants. Kinda like in Shikai Katen Kyōkotsu decides what games to play. In Bankai Katen Kyōkotsu is a child that requests a play from Kyroaku. It is kinda a weaker version of Gremmy's power which Kyroaku's stories come true for the people that are affected with the Bankai.
It’s analysis like this that make me glad I’m a Patreon
It is conceptually a unique Bankai that's for sure. I didn't knew that this Bankai was so deep and dark. You definitely helped me understand it better. Thank you.
I'm pretty sure Capt K is boning his bankia and that's y he's so chill all the time.
Or his bankia story was his as a human and his zanpaktu is his wife
Weird as heck that his Shikai and Bankai have almost nothing to do with eachother. One is about playing "games" and the other is a "play"? Are the games referring to the little kid spirit part of the bankai?
Like, other bankai and shikai have SOMETHING to do with eachother.
1. Ichigo's blade becomes larger, almost like it's reflecting his spiritual power; and allows him to release getsuga. Bankai like does the opposite and compresses all the energy, and seems like getsuga gets stronger.
2. Renji's becomes that extendo-blade, bankai is like a giant version of this, but as a snake.
3. Byakuya, them flower petals, bankai is more petals and swords
Even Soifons has some relation, shikai is double sting and kill. Bankai as weird as it is is super rocket but one hit kill.
Ukitake wasn't kidding when he said that Shunsui's Bankai isn't something to be used in public. Stark really got lucky.
I think one of the most important questions is "can his bankai perform different plays?" That opens a massive potential pool for him as a character
I like it when he was talking about how the characters were feeling the presence of this Bankai how they were feeling cold and shivering and feeling just the effects of this Bankai but what I feel like you was trying to portray in the first part of it the activation of it it's more like the lights of a theater turning off that chilling Melancholy Vibe of a play getting ready to start that's what I feel like they were trying to portray when they did that
I'm curious if this bankai is used against someone more powerful than Shunsui such as Ywach. Would the plays continue or would it be broken in between.
the bankai is a suicide pact that BOTH would die from unless one decided to "betray" the pact in which they suffer the wrath of the women's pity.
My top favorite looking bankai
1. Hakka No Togame.
2. Katen Kyokotsu Karimatsu Shinju.
3. Senbonzakura Kageyoshi.
Im pretty sure if act 4 worked and lil died then so would shunsui but because lil didn’t die then shunsui also didn’t die
Like many of bleach lovers..i also think that kyoraku has many plays in his sleeve. But he has to choose one based on the situation. In novel he used another new technique. Basically his true ability is change the reality by the plays he choose fit the situation. That's why he feared nanao will catch up and he had to include her in the play. In per bankai he can use only one story. there is another possibility that he never get to choose the story. Its the zampaktu who choose the story. It depends on the mood of the zampaktu. That is why Shunsui mentioned before the release of his bankai " lets see what is waiting for me on the other side". Well, if he always use the same story..then he should have known all the acts and ending scenes.Man..hell of a power..this is much scarier..and this is the true power of him. Please analysis this possibility @MrTommo2304 will ya?
I think the "promise of both dying in the game" only works because kyoraku was ready to die for real. I guess you cant activate this bankai If you are not ready to die
Captain 8 is by far one of the best captains, it's a reason he was chosen to be yamamoto's replacement,
It's not so much that it's a illusion, he's manifesting and manipulating reality, some things are not to be looked into too deeply it's a dark zombie and that is the base of it, the story is a dark one
Thanks my man. Ypur explanation very detail and good
Bro i can already see the episode
Bankai
To be continued
That's how the trailer showed it a week ago 😅
That bankai is creepy and scary, more than old Yama's summoning the dead. I can't wait for TYBW! I want it to be gory! The music for it would be unnerving and depressing.
Haven't read the manga, and it's pretty much spoiled for me but I'm still excited.
So....basically Lille and Kyo are a confirmed couple, love it
That was the best explanation I have heard of his bankai yet, especially what the characters are supposed to do in the play. Makes you wonder if both combatants would have died, if Lille had played along.
Shunsui Kyoraku slept with Katen and then Kyokosu was born.
I love this interaction in the Zanpakuto rebellion arc.
Shunsui: There’s something wrong here..
Katen: Hm? What is?
Shunsui: Well you see the way how I always been fighting is using the short sword to confuse my opponents and then bring out the big sword to deliver the finishing blow. That’s the exact purpose of my Zanpakuto. I presume you two fight this way too. But you’re not. The short sword is the only one doing the attack and meanwhile you the big sword is doing nothing.
Katen: My My what an observant master we have.
Shunsui: Forgive me for pointing out the obvious.
Katen: I don’t think acting like a smartass is helping your situation.
Kyoraku reminds me of Shikamaru lazy geniuses
I think their would be a different play is nanao was their to fit the setting just like their is multiple games. I'm not sure if it would be automatic or his choice but I would assume it would have to choose a play that could incorporate everyone as players.
As for it's effects I'm guessing it's kinda like a choose your own adventure story. Since Lillie decided to try and escape it transitioned into the neck slice. But if he hadn't it would have resulted in both of them dying via drowning. Basically the story of the play follows the actors changing the symbolic effects with it.
I was completely satisfied with Kyoraku's Bankai but was not happy with how he wasn't able to kill his enemy. I don't know why they gave his niece/Vice Captain the win.
Bruh fr, I’m just going to count it that he won because Lilles final bird form was so BS, and that moment with nanao was pretty stupid
I think Shunsui is not in control so much as he is just a medium from which the story can be told and is thus forced to go along with it. Like you pointed out, he is the woman in the play. So if Nanao was caught up in it, or anyone else for that matter, and they panicked and tried to escape the water, Shunsui would be forced to kill them in accordance with the play. That's why his Zanpakuto appears, she is the real power controlling the play and is just acting through Shunsui. She's the narrator so to speak.
So I do think that Shunsui would also die if he tried to escape the water as the narrative would just change to the woman losing her will and trying to back out of the promise, at which point the "man" would kill her. Or maybe Katan would appear behind Lille making him the woman in the play and Shunsui the man. So the water isn't just a battle of edurance, but a battle of wills. Shunsui just has the advantage since he knows what to expect
Start the weekend off right with MrTommo and my favorite Captain, Shunsui. Can’t wait to see this creepy odd bankai animated. Wanna see how everyone reacts when he activates it and everything goes dark. I love the area affect bankai, especially the themed ones where you’re just forced into another world. Shunsui and Tosen type bankai
I absolutely loved his bankai. Hes my favorite captain and I wasn't disappointed. It just connected with me emotionally.
I never knew this! I really can’t wait to see this animated now
But you're a captain tho...
@@Kazekage202 He's the captain that makes the most sense to be ignorant to someone's bankai
I get the feeling his Shikai is meant to be fair while his Bankai is meant to be unfair.
I think it's really well done when you consider the shikai is about the woman being cruel and and unwilling to compromise forcing shinsui to use whatever move she wants. It gives more layers to the bankai
I like the fact that we see her, the sword just as we saw her in the anime. I love call backs like this. Because I felt they got Rukia's and Byakuya's swords done well in the anime too. I imagined that Rukia's sword would be a beautiful snow witch. I particularly like theirs, Shuhei's, Izuru's, and Yamamoto's.
I thoght the second act changed somehow the reality of the oponant, in this case, making those holes of the fist act a decease that he had from birth, but maybe the tranlation of the site was wrong, the way you said made much more sense
I think that suicide pact in act 3 is not an actual suicide pact but the ending toxic relationship. The girl wants to be in that toxic relationship even after getting hit by the abusive man(which is an indication that relationship is sour) but the man wants to end it (although he promised to be in it forever) and run away so she slits his throat.
Also Kyokaru's whole character gives me a kind of Byronic Hero feels which makes this whole thing even better.
What do you think Jurshiro Bankai could have been?
This makes me think...how cool would an anime character's power be to force them and their opponents to play the role of characters in different stories? Like, imagine a character activating their power and forcing themself and their opponent to play through King Lear or Romeo and Juliet? This is a cool Bankai.
I thought his bankai was awesome, but I still wonder about something Ukitake said
your bankai mustn't be used where people can see it
so, if a group of people had been dragged in, would all of them have played the same role in the bankai script?
would every member of a group essentially be the man in this play? or could some people be seen as background characters, who would just feel the full terror of being close to and seeing Shunsui's bankai
what im thinking right now is : Maybe the bankai depends on the enemy mind state.
Comparing the theatral story and Shunsui bankai in this fight :
_In the play Lille got desperate and tried to escape then Shunsui finished him up.
_Following the story of the lovers, the man broke the suicide pact and so he died cause the woman murdered him.
Let's imagine that Shunsui bankai is a narrative. So, let's imagine further that the narrative has two different paths , these two paths are dependent on the enemy.
The first path is the path where the men (enemy) cowardly breaks the suicide pact and tried to escape, so it leads to the ending were he is the only one dead cause he gets murdered by the woman.
The second path is the path where the men stays truthful to the pact and both died.
Do you understand where im trying to get ? The moment Shunsui activated his bankai death was inevitable. Lille was acting as the men and so he went the first path and tried to run away, Shunsui acting has the woman finished him up. BUT WHAT IF Lille followed the second path and he never desperated and runned away ? Exactly, both of them would die cause that's how the narrative was writed, both men (lille) and woman (Shunsui) would drown and die together.
Taking in mind what i said, Shunsui bankai looks a like a last resort option cause how dangerous it can be for the wielder. It can finish off the enemy but it can also end the wielder's life.
I had this feeling about a lot of Bankai reveals in the last arc, except for maybe Urahara’s which actually seems to fit who he is, this one had a cool story, but it just felt like something cobbled together out of nowhere, even his relationship to Nanao that comes after. Cool concept, odd execution.
there's tons of self reflection on everyones shikai and bankai. i've said it before and i'll say it again :P, everyones sword reflects who they are, tosen, komamro, kuchiki, kenpachi, unohana, aizen, they all match there inner souls true desire
I might agree on the shikai, but the bankai not so much, thought it was cool concept, but I think we needed more of it overall.
I wonder how someone would combat this bankai. Say Kyoraku and Byakuya used their banksia against once another; how would that work?