Noticed a couple misplays on both sides. Doomskar clears board , OGTroll wasn't brought back to attach. Wandering emperor could tick down to exile sky-sov? Though maybe it was intentional to keep around, but upsides are minimal.
I think they're just playing too fast, especially for the quarter finals. There was a lot of short cutting and I bet it caused them both to miss lines of play. Troll was a missed trigger. The Wandering Emperor could have -2 the Skysovereign at the beginning of combat, never giving him the attack trigger.
Yeah. The UW guy had a 4/4 shark which became a 5/5 with first strike which would have killed Skysovereign for free and kept Emperor alive yet he didn't do that
It does trigger when Oath of Nissa enters the battlefield. But since it is a trigger, it can be missed. With that said, the green player is playing too fast. He's playing against a control deck who will likely have responses. He shouldn't just resolve the Oath of Nissa and immediately grab three cards. I would have called a judge if I were the Azorius player. Not giving someone time to respond isn't the same as missing a trigger.
The green player even tried to pay but the UW player said whatever. Then the green player cast Karn with mana he shouldn't have had? Looks like that's what happened.
Holy hell this game had a crazy amount of misplays lmao. Why did the UW player allow green to keep the mana that should have paid for strict proctor? It ain't optional. Then the dude proceeds to cast karn with mana he shouldn't have had.
I was torn on this video. On one hand, I *hate* Lotus Control, and was happy to see it lose. On the other hand, I *hate* Nykthos Ramp, and was angry to see it win. Why WotC didn't ban Nykthos on the 7th, I'll never know.
I think banning Karn is probably the most realistic option. Monogreen can be a big stompy, planeswalker ramp deck. But straight up shutting down your opponent's artifacts, and grabbing sideboard cards on turn 3, makes it too much. I could also see them going after Lotus Field.
Players aren't allowed to track life totals using dice at Competitive REL. It's in the video description. And no I'm not about to spend 40 hours of my time adding an overlay to all of the videos for this event.
Can someone explain to me why people flick their cards so hard? If you do that hard enough do they change to a better one or get stronger? Perhaps he's trying to start a fire? edit: Ahhh I figured it out. He's playing a troll deck, he's trolling!
It's a running gag at this point almost. Even WotC has made fun of it, with the Unglued card "Stop that!" Some people claim that it's a "nervous habit" and that "all pro players do it" - I have thoughts on that. On nervousness: If playing a card game gets you THAT nervous, get some counseling. You likely need some kind of anti-anxiety medication. On "Pro Player" status: I've been competitively playing Magic since 94. I've never done this. I've won RCQs in the modern day and I've won regionals in the old days when regionals meant something totally different. I think people do it to try to gain a competitive advantage. They're trying to distract their opponent.
@@henrywalsh There are lots of "reasons" that all compound together. Some people say it's a nervous habit. Personally, I like the feel and the sound when it's done "tastefully". If it's done erratically, I find it kind of annoying. People say it's so when you draw your card, you shuffle it into your hand. It hides information, like if you just draw a land and slam it down into play. I can see the distraction angle as well. And this last one is actually verifiable from watching older Pro Tours: people that fidget with cards are WAY less likely to be called out for slow play, even if they aren't progressing the game. PVDDR has been a victim to this many times. He'll take 15-30 seconds to plan out his entire turn, and get called out for slow play. Then his opponent will flick cards for 2 minutes, play a land, pass, and make other no game actions and no one blinks an eye.
I agree, it’s annoying to me. Also I’ve noticed when opponents are doing that and playing as fast as humanly possible their just trying to throw people off, cheat, or sneak something by. I don’t flick my cards but I do hold them upside down lol
@@LibertyMTGYeah I find it ridiculous. I find when people are playing as fast as humanly possible they’re typically trying to sneak something by or just throw off an opponent as they try and keep up with what’s going on. I take my sweet ass time and don’t flick the plastic off my cards. And make sure the opponent knows exactly how much life is lost, what counters are where etc. I’ve played against quite a few people who try and play dumb like they forgot or just don’t know wtf is going on when it should be obvious lol
I don't think WotC has ever banned a card with this effect. It's card disadvantage. The only reason it's so good in Monogreen is because Karn fetches it from your sideboard at no opportunity cost.
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Noticed a couple misplays on both sides.
Doomskar clears board , OGTroll wasn't brought back to attach.
Wandering emperor could tick down to exile sky-sov? Though maybe it was intentional to keep around, but upsides are minimal.
I think they're just playing too fast, especially for the quarter finals. There was a lot of short cutting and I bet it caused them both to miss lines of play. Troll was a missed trigger. The Wandering Emperor could have -2 the Skysovereign at the beginning of combat, never giving him the attack trigger.
@@LibertyMTG no the wandering emperor required a tapped target. Alternative was to buff the token to block skysov
Oops, you're right.
Yeah. The UW guy had a 4/4 shark which became a 5/5 with first strike which would have killed Skysovereign for free and kept Emperor alive yet he didn't do that
I really hate the mono green deck, it's just so hard to stop if it get to turn 3.
proctor applies to oath of nissa trigger at the beginning?? poor play unless i’m missing something
It does trigger when Oath of Nissa enters the battlefield. But since it is a trigger, it can be missed. With that said, the green player is playing too fast. He's playing against a control deck who will likely have responses. He shouldn't just resolve the Oath of Nissa and immediately grab three cards. I would have called a judge if I were the Azorius player. Not giving someone time to respond isn't the same as missing a trigger.
The green player even tried to pay but the UW player said whatever. Then the green player cast Karn with mana he shouldn't have had? Looks like that's what happened.
I'm not sure that was the azorius player talking, but yeah.
So many missplays on the ending of that first game xD
Holy hell this game had a crazy amount of misplays lmao. Why did the UW player allow green to keep the mana that should have paid for strict proctor? It ain't optional. Then the dude proceeds to cast karn with mana he shouldn't have had.
Agreed. He needed to call a judge and not let spectators just say "it's a missed trigger." Dude didn't give him time to respond.
WOTC needs to stop fuckjng around and give us oath to exile. Not having 1 mana removal vs a deck with elves is so lopsided.
Sometimes I wish they didn't play so fast. Hard to keep track of triggers and who has priority
I was torn on this video.
On one hand, I *hate* Lotus Control, and was happy to see it lose.
On the other hand, I *hate* Nykthos Ramp, and was angry to see it win.
Why WotC didn't ban Nykthos on the 7th, I'll never know.
Yeah both decks aren’t fun to play against. But they’re just decks you have to consider when choosing what to play. Still sucks regardless
I think banning Karn is probably the most realistic option. Monogreen can be a big stompy, planeswalker ramp deck. But straight up shutting down your opponent's artifacts, and grabbing sideboard cards on turn 3, makes it too much. I could also see them going after Lotus Field.
May I suggest putting up the life tracker for us viewers please.
Players aren't allowed to track life totals using dice at Competitive REL. It's in the video description. And no I'm not about to spend 40 hours of my time adding an overlay to all of the videos for this event.
This sound all time its horrible flick flick flick woh , i know why wotc stop this for tournament event
I *will* ask my opponent not to do it during a tournament setting. You *can* call a judge about it. When they're that god awful loud about it.
thanks for this advice :)@@henrywalsh
Can someone explain to me why people flick their cards so hard? If you do that hard enough do they change to a better one or get stronger? Perhaps he's trying to start a fire?
edit:
Ahhh I figured it out. He's playing a troll deck, he's trolling!
It's a running gag at this point almost. Even WotC has made fun of it, with the Unglued card "Stop that!"
Some people claim that it's a "nervous habit" and that "all pro players do it" - I have thoughts on that.
On nervousness: If playing a card game gets you THAT nervous, get some counseling. You likely need some kind of anti-anxiety medication.
On "Pro Player" status: I've been competitively playing Magic since 94. I've never done this. I've won RCQs in the modern day and I've won regionals in the old days when regionals meant something totally different.
I think people do it to try to gain a competitive advantage. They're trying to distract their opponent.
@@henrywalsh There are lots of "reasons" that all compound together. Some people say it's a nervous habit. Personally, I like the feel and the sound when it's done "tastefully". If it's done erratically, I find it kind of annoying.
People say it's so when you draw your card, you shuffle it into your hand. It hides information, like if you just draw a land and slam it down into play.
I can see the distraction angle as well.
And this last one is actually verifiable from watching older Pro Tours: people that fidget with cards are WAY less likely to be called out for slow play, even if they aren't progressing the game. PVDDR has been a victim to this many times. He'll take 15-30 seconds to plan out his entire turn, and get called out for slow play. Then his opponent will flick cards for 2 minutes, play a land, pass, and make other no game actions and no one blinks an eye.
I agree, it’s annoying to me. Also I’ve noticed when opponents are doing that and playing as fast as humanly possible their just trying to throw people off, cheat, or sneak something by. I don’t flick my cards but I do hold them upside down lol
@@LibertyMTGYeah I find it ridiculous. I find when people are playing as fast as humanly possible they’re typically trying to sneak something by or just throw off an opponent as they try and keep up with what’s going on. I take my sweet ass time and don’t flick the plastic off my cards. And make sure the opponent knows exactly how much life is lost, what counters are where etc. I’ve played against quite a few people who try and play dumb like they forgot or just don’t know wtf is going on when it should be obvious lol
At some point it should be considered a distraction or something. It's actually ridiculous how much people flick sometimes
Stone brain is dead card. Needed to be banned for sure.
I don't think WotC has ever banned a card with this effect. It's card disadvantage. The only reason it's so good in Monogreen is because Karn fetches it from your sideboard at no opportunity cost.
That's literally not the definition of a dead card