The Referee stops and starts time, the scoreboard is the official time though, and the countdown is also done in some places. Once the clock reaches Zero in High School, it's over, no adding time, only stop and start.
In NC the scoreboard is the official time. Clock stops for goals, bookings and injuries that require a substitution. Once the clock runs out the game is over. There is no stoppage time.
I love parents, who have no idea what the rules are, getting all hot and bothered when they are wrong. Clueless parents should either stay home or shut up.
I'm going to make it as clear as possible, it doesnt matter what the hell happens, if the ref doesnt blow his whistle, the game isn't over. Simple as that
Puckman637 what’s the reason for this?? I know this is old but I’d appreciate it I’m confused, in Canada it’s not the same. Otherwise I’ll google, thanks
@Puckman637, it's actually a good rule. Referees have their hands full enforcing rules regarding fouls, offsides, throw-ins, corner & goal kicks, etc., without also having to deal with timekeeping issues.
Under the NFHS rulebook, that's not correct. If there is a scoreboard that is operating with the time, you go by that, and the ball has to cross the line before the time on the scoreboard elapses. As stupid as it is, that goal shouldn't have been given.
Soccer is not like basketball or football where you have to beat the buzzer. Referee is official time keeper, not announcer. Should be a goal, no question.
+kensworth39 in this instance, the scoreboard clock was on the other side of the stadium, so unless the ref is staring at his watch with one eye & the ball with the other (which is impossible), there is NO WAY (without goal-line technology) anyone will ever know if the ball crossed the line before time expired. AND, if it did cross the line, that means that there should be a second or 2 left on the clock....so N.Royalton should've kicked off, instead of Westlake walking off
What I'm saying is it doesn't matter when time expired. As a referee, we are trained to basically say "1 play left" with 10 seconds to go. If a team is lining up for a corner kick and time expires, we wait until the kick is taken and the cross is missed or cleared, even if it means going 10 seconds over. I would have a riot on my hands if I blew my whistle in the middle of a counter-attack that could score a goal.
+kensworth39 are you an Ohio high school referee? Ohio HS soccer has COMPLETELY different rules than FIFA or USSF. (Letting it go 10seconds longer than what the scoreboard says) it's against the rules. There's no "adding time" The clock is actually stopped during injuries, cards, goals, & referee stoppages.
Well then that rule is a disgrace to the sport, the players should not know how much time is left in the game. It changes the game dynamic completely. The ref should be the official time keeper. After a 80-90 minute game, it should not come down to a few seconds.
+kensworth39 time is kept on the scoreboard for all to see & it's the announcer's job to count down the final 10sec of each half (so that the ref doesn't have to look at his watch in final seconds)....and yes oHSAA rules are a disgrace....you can sub on your own corner kicks too (just to name 1 very different rule)....and some leagues use a 2-ref system for varsity games.
And that is fair why alex? so team a can take the lead in the minute 20 and fake injuries and waste time with every goal kick? Yeah that sounds fair to me...
Alex Milkowski tell me about it today a referee gave me a yellow card for saying did u not see him stiff arm him and it's only is the 2nd game of the season 1 more yellow card and I'm out the rest of the season and I've only got 1 yellow card
Well... AS a FIFA REFEREE. Its pretty simple read the FIFA Advise to Referees, it clearly states that it is NO LESS THAN THE DESIGNATED TIME ADDED... Meaning if i add 15 seconds it cant be 14, it must be AT LEAST 15 seconds, It could be 10000 minutes, it doesnt matter.
+GABES GAMERAGE comparing FIFA to OHSAA is like apples to elephants....they're not even close to each other. In a FIFA sanctioned game, you are correct. In an OHSAA sanctioned game, you're 100% wrong (per their rules). There is NO adding time on the ref's watch (without doing it on the scoreboard....for all to see)
OhioSportsNet1 Well thats the most moronic thing I've ever heard of... WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT... The referee in the Rules of the Game IS THE OFFICIAL TIME KEEPER OF THE GAME.. Not a Score Board. Our game isn't basketball.. it's soccer, or football if you will.
+GABES GAMERAGE talk to the Ohio High School Athletic Assoc about it. It's their rules. They based most of their rules like FIFA, but decided to change certain rules (such as the clock management rule).
if its apart of US Soccer, they shouldnt be changing rules as important as that one.. As we can see by this video its a very poor idea to have an announcer do a count down, and to allow referees to be the official time keeper.
+GABES GAMERAGE did u watch the whole video? there was a discrepancy in the time earlier (where the ref started the game clock 2sec too early, so technically, the goal is DEF scored with time left on the clock.
Ohio follows rules set by NFHS. The rule book states, "Referee keeps time only by agreement of the coaches or state association otherwise home team controls clock. Timer counts down last 10 seconds". It does not specify if a goal can be scored after the 40 minute half. NCAA rules, on the other hand, specifically state game is over when signal sounds or game clock hits 0:00. I'm assuming the HS soccer is handled the same. Club soccer works on FIFA rules and the clock is handled completely at the discretion of the referee.
I referee in Utah, and according to our State adoption, the center referee is the sole timekeeper. The clock operator is instructed to stop the stadium clock at two minutes remaining, and then the final whistle is at the sole discretion of the center referee. I will *almost* always wait until the ball is in a neutral position with no clear posession to blow the final whistle. The only exception is when the attacking team is already ahead by a few goals when time expires. The Utah adoption of the rules pretty much eliminates all the goofy possibilities of timing problems, and it is totally within the rights of the state association to do so. If I were an Ohio referee, I would contact the OHSAA head referee and ask that serious consideration be given to altering the state adoption of Rule 6-2-1.
you do realize there is no rule as to where the ball is when the referee ends the game? yes tradition says you wait for neutral because it looks better but you can end the game during a stopage, before a throw-in, etc. sometimes that's the best choice. also with the stadium clock stuff, referees should just tell both coaches before the game the stadium clock is unofficial and not the time. then the problem is fixed.
Unfortunately, they can't do that. If you're reffing high school the rules mandate that the scoreboard is the official clock, and that if the referee's clock disagrees with it, they can change it. What this means, however, is that when time runs out on the scoreboard, the game is over. The ball has to cross the line before the clock hits zero.@@gotacallfromvishal
You people commenting about the referee keeping time don’t understand high school boys soccer. I also haven’t seen anyone comment regarding number 17 not even attempting to play the ball and fouling the defender and the goalkeeper as the ball was played into the box. The goal should have been disallowed.
The only reason this is an issue is because of the announcer .5 seconds either way would never matter in a match that followed FIFA laws of the game with the reffere as the time keeper
Some great things here... 1) Referees working together to get the call. 2) Coach master class on accepting referee decisions. 3) Lesson for high schools to NOT do a clock countdown. The referee is the official timekeeper. Clocks should pause or turn off at 2 minutes with an announcement (or norm) that time is being kept on the field.
The only issue I see here is the restart, after the goal they should have had a kickoff then end the game ... other then that nice goal at the last seconds
I have no skin in this game and MUST point out how well the CR/AR worked at the end together. Sorry to break it to partisan fans, but the AR noticed that time had not, in fact, elapsed on the clock when the ball went in. How do we know this? Take out your stop clock and time the guy who counts down from 5 to 1. It took 3.68 seconds and NOT the full 5 seconds. Hence, there was more than 1 second on the clock for the ball to legally cross the line. You can see the CR point (presumably) to the clock when explaining the call. What they needed was an automatic horn to go off, not the sole guy counting down.
John Volt HA! Looong reply, but hear me out. Thanks John for being one of the only other ones (Randall did too!) to catch that blatant foul. I went looking through comments to see if anyone else caught it. I’m sure many others did but just didn’t comment. Both referees missed it. Refereeing is an art, laced with imperfections, good intentions, perspectives, and angles. However, this play by White #17 was clearly a violation (despite what some folks here get wrong). Regardless of time remaining, what clock to follow, what the Blue defender #23 should have done to shield the ball from White #17 getting to it, or what else the keeper should have done to clear the ball. Play stops at the time of that foul. He clearly went into to interfere physically with the keeper, making no attempt to locate the ball (he didn't turn around) and no attempt to play the ball (went in forcefully around defender, lunged at and elbowed the keeper aggressively, again without playing the ball). He should have been cautioned. Goal disallowed. Blue team's free kick at the spot of the foul. Blue #21 had the best view of it and rightfully expressed his frustration at the missed call. As I find myself saying all too often, referees impact the way the game is played, the result of games, arguably player and fan love of the game (though I am open to the idea that it may not be as emotionally charged and fun if fans didn’t have something to complain about!), and need to be held accountable for doing a better job, based on more appropriate hands-on training by experienced referees who are adept at seeing and making tough calls. Soccer leagues, who pay for and utilize the referees to make money (non-profits still make $$ after all), should do a better job at finding the best referees in the area and holding training sessions for less-experienced referees. They after all are the ones paying for the service. I say that with nearly 15 years of referee experience under my belt, from the age of 8 or so (I started as a line judge with U6 and worked my way up to high school and competitive soccer head referee). Soccer organizations and state referee associations need to be held accountable for this. Ultimately, parents are the ones that this responsibility falls to (since they are the ones paying and largely the only ones complaining). But there is no real mechanism to capture this, nor incentive for parents to comment on particular referees or particular actions (good or bad). Video review would be helpful, but only in extreme cases (injuries, for example) does this information make it to the state referee associations and/or league officials (who are again not truly incentivized to report referees who make these mistakes or deal with the issue, since they need referees and there are far too few of them, who always feel like they are getting picked on if anyone challenges their calls, etc). Granted, far too many critiques come out as expletive-laden barrages or silly snipe sessions. But referees need to be more humble about their weaknesses and inability to call a perfect game. When questioned, they should be open to the fact that they are imperfect and may very well have missed the important call, instead of getting agitated and lashing out at the frustrated paying customer. In what business is that ok? Businesses should actively seek out complaints and deal with them appropriately. Perhaps, if there was an effective mechanism to capture grievances, a mechanism for review of these issues, and a way to use mistakes to improve referees on the field, perhaps the fans (the ones who truly are paying customers) wouldn't feel the need to berate referees (or complain at all - HA!). I'm not condoning disrespectful behavior, and there is a time for everything, but the system needs proactive fixin'. Only when teams, parents and leagues file critiques, will the system feel the pressure to change. Until then, "No complaints about Referee calls!" instruction will remain the norm. Go to the Ohio North State Referee Committee: sites.google.com/view/ohnrefsorg/home?CFID=239889434&CFTOKEN=69146902. All that said, coaches and players handled themselves well. No comment about the quality or style of soccer being played. Cheers!
Were else in the world do they let some idiot on a loud speaker count down the end of a game, its the ref that ends the game not a bigmouth behind the microphone
You are right. In high school and college games the clock controls the time. However is this very unique case, the ball was already in movement towards to goal when the clock got to zero. I don't know what the absolutely correct call should be, but as a HS coach, if this happened against my team, I would understand the referee's decision to validate the goal. It's a very tough one.
How many great calls were there ? Ohhh those aren’t recorded. In the 2 cases I do disagree ultimately with the calls- however : Being on the field making the call is a lot tougher. I loved how canter ref went to his guys and they showed professionalism.
There is some possibility #23 was offside but you can't really tell from what the camera covered. And the linesman did not call it. Other than that I don't see the problem a goal can go in in the last second just as likely as any other second.
We don't, NFHS is not sanctioned by FIFA or USSF. The vast majority of matches in the United States are played under the laws of the game, not "high school rules."
So only the country, in your mind, that created the sport have a right to change the rules of the sport. Have you wrote FIFA yet to express your displeasure when they change them? And I believe they are called Laws not rules of the game. If this is not is wrong, better let FIFA know.
Because we're a little different than the rest of the world. Most of our sports teams are based in high schools, not soccer or local sporting associations. The high school system means there is a lot more difference in talent. The NFHS (and NCAA maybe) decided that 3 subs isn't enough. Some officials come from the district or state, others (timekeepers) are provided by the home team. They try and follow FIFA, but a few notable exceptions. Academy teams, and most rec leagues are run under FIFA rules. Where I coach, we try and follow USSF guidelines, but it's a mismosh. Another issue is academy teams don't allow their athletes to play in other sports (or other soccer teams like their school), which is another reason it's not popular. We have a Division 2 team (Riverhounds), and they have an academy, but with that stipulation. U12 players in the US don't know which sport they want to play yet.
I guess Ohio is a state where the official time is required to be the stadium clock. My state of NM (and many others) allows for the official time to be kept on the field by the referee. Stadium clock is shut off at 2 mins at the end of each half. This kind of thing can happen if you rely on the stadium horn to end the half.
Why would you countdown a soccer match over the loudspeaker? The referee is the sole keeper of time. The only thing I see wrong in this video is that the referee didn't resume play after the goal and then blow the whistle to officially end the game.
In school games, the scoreboard may be the official time, but it definitely isn't an announcer counting down. Who is to say he is accurate? He may be off. And generally, countdowns are always off by a full second. For example, when the scoreboard goes from 5 to 4, at that point, there is not 4 seconds left, but 4.99 seconds left. But that is where someone would count FOUR. Thus they are off by .99 seconds. So I'mguessing that when the announcer, who is not official, is saying ONE, there is really 1.99 seconds remaining.
Where in the world is the stoppage time???? Does Ohio just not have any additional time added in? Do they just play strict 45-minute halves and that is it?
What's with the timer.... This isn't the NBA. Referee decides when to end the game, the additional minutes is added for the time wasted, and if players are wasting time with thrown ins/corners then the ref can add more time. It's also a given that refs allow the advantage of an attack to carry its last phase out.
Everyone is stating the FIFA rules and we have no idea if they altered the rules for this region/game/tournament. They could have a rule that when time expires the game ends instantly and goals don't count. We simply don't know. Yes, I know this is not how it is suppose to work but some leagues take liberties with rules.
This is a very simple matter. What was being counted down is irrelevant to the match. The Center Ref is keeping the time and may or may not add time as he or she sees fit.
Unfortunately in NFHS rules (the ones most high school associations use), the referee is NOT the timekeeper. That role gets put on a count-down stadium clock (where one is available, otherwise the referee is the timekeeper).
@@Raider025 well then the scoreboard operator should do his job RIGHT and start time when told to. There should have been atleast 3 seconds when he said zero he was told to add 15 seconds and only added 12.
Ex-ref here. That countdown thing is nonsense. Play can continue, at the referee's discretion, slightly past the end of "injury time" if an imminent goal scoring opportunity is taking place. That's exactly what happened here, referee did not blow his whistle - game continues! That countdown thing is a bit insane :)
I hate having the count made like that, especially since he stopped at "one." It looked like the ball hadn't quite crossed the line by the time he would have reached "zero," but as the timeline showed the ref restarted the clock three seconds early so the goal definitely should have counted. Back in 1983 I had a similar situation except it was a kid doing the countdown and he stopped when he got to "five." There was a corner going on so I couldn't turn around to see what was happening. I found out later that he knocked the air horn that he was supposed to blow when the time out onto the floor. So he started scrabbling around trying to pick it up and forgot to keep counting. When he got it he blew the horn, just as there was a handball on a header towards goal. The match was a make up game that had gotten monsooned out a couple of weeks earlier. The score was 0-0 and would settle the district championship. Back then the teams decided pre-match whether they would play extra time or not, and the team that only needed a draw declined to play beyond 80 minutes. Naturally they were the one's who'd given up the handball. They claimed time had already expired before the impact, the team that needed to win claimed the penalty should be awarded. We huddled for several minutes before agreeing that the penalty should be awarded because the contact came before the horn, even if we were uncertain of the actual time. Then we spent several more minutes going around with the coaches (and screaming fans), before telling the offensive team to send up their kicker versus the goalkeeper. There would be no rebound, make or miss time would expire. It was probably poetic justice that he yanked his shot high and left of the goal; with no overtime, that was the end of the game. And that is why I HATE having anyone other than the ref keeping the official time.
Time keeping is always at the referee’s discretion. Always. The clock is not necessarily an absolute. As a referee, if there is a promising attack, with continual motion of ball with players, I’ll only blow stop when that last attack fails, if it has crossed the midline before regulation time. This usually amounts to about 15 seconds of additional play.
@@cowboycurtis2229, doesn’t matter. Nearly every ref would do the same thing. All referees are initially trained for FIFA rules as those are what governs the trickle down to youth matches through US Soccer. Go take the referee course, you will see. *granted, btw, that yes - some rules can differ by league, but I stand by the statement that few referees would blow a whistle in any game with a promising attack under way at regulation time.
@@andrewsmith9174 There are different referee courses for FIFA and NFHS. I know... I've taken both. And while I can admit that someone who was initially trained under the FIFA rules will likely have hesitation to stop play immediately when the clock hits zero, that doesn't include refs who have only ever been trained under NFHS rule, and there are a lot of them. A ref's job is to know the rules that govern the particular match that they are reffing. And if the rules say end the game at zero regardless of what's happening, then it's the ref's job to do that. I've done it countless time because that is what is expected and required of me. I've just been fortunate that I've never had a situation like this happen to me.
I do believe the referee is the sole time keeper, but even then, there is a whole second between 0 and 1 seconds, so by the time the announcer said 1 and the ball went in, it was probably a couple milliseconds ahead of 0.
If it is a hard stop clock get a buzzer and a scoreboard. If not the referee has the clock on their wrist. Crew missed the red card stomp in the PA at the beginning unfortunately.
According to the NFHS rules, the ball must be completely OVER the line at the completion of time. The timekeeper is require to countdown the last 10 seconds of play (which he didn't- he only counted 5). As we can see from the angle, the ball is CLEARLY not over the goal line at time 0, and the goal should not have been given.
+Owen Spisak Time added doesn't matter because when the ref said add 15 seconds, the high school clock operator did it manually. The moment the clock runs out, the game is over, and the ball was clearly not in the goal at that time.
Can I ask what NFHS stands for?I am a ref but I'm just doubting they were playing under this league or rule set. I've never had a game where an announcer has to count down and the ref must end the game there.
There shouldn't even be a discussion in this as EACH STATE HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS ASSOCIATION CAN adopt THEIR own rules as per the National high school federation rule book.
So you just disregard NFHS rules? Or does your state allow you to do this? I'm in PA, and we would not be allowed to do this. Scoreboard is the official time.
It look like it was in at 1 left. I never played soccer. But I know reps keep time on their watches. An lots of times the game goes over 90 minutes or what they play
As an NFHS referee in New York State, this is a bit of a pickle... The ball was already in the air when the buzzer sounded. And under any other circumstance, say USSF or FIFA Laws, this would be a 100% legal goal. In NFHS, the referees lose the ability to apply some common sense to a stadium clock, which in NY can only be overridden if it BREAKS or there is none at the field (I only work JV games currently, but both JV and V follow the same rules). To me, this goal should stand. Why? Because no one touches the ball even with time still left. One would think that NFHS people would deduce something like this would happen. With no precedence to go off, which rule system then becomes the best guess? USSF or NCAA? In this case, USSF seemed to be the most fair way of dealing with it. Hard to blame the referees for rule discrepancies no one figured out sooner... Also, after looking into the rulebook, it simply states that a period expires when time ends, save the exception for a penalty kick. However, rule 5 states the head referee has authority to override a disagreement between timers. So really, a case can be made both ways. The discrepancies here are very dangerous to have given that something like this can happen.
LKehoe31 the only reason the referee blew the whistle was because of the time on the stadium clock expiring. We have the ability to delay the whistle to see what happens in USSF. Also, there's no public clock in USSF.
+ParodyKing124 I know that. I ref both NFHS and USSF. That is why I like working without a scoreboard during high school matches. I can wait and see for a brief period of time.
The refs should have changed their colors. Refs are required to have 5 colors, so they are always different than the two teams and the two keepers. Having the refs wear the same color as either of the teams or keepers is a big no no. Though keepers should have alternate color as well, and could have changed as long as they had an alternate, and it wasn't the same as either team's colors. Also, the two keepers *should* have different colors, but that's not a big deal usually, since they are usually at opposite ends of the field, and not near each other.
It all depends on the state high school athletic association rules. If we assume the rules are when the clock runs out the goal is disallowed then we are still left with a subjective ruling. In the opinion of the referees the goal counted. In the end we want the game decided by the players on the field. In my opinion it was. The keeper had the opportunity to secure a tie and the attacker the opportunity to secure a win. The attacker succeeded.
This is defentely an goal. The last touch of the ball was in the 1-2 second range, the ball isnt hit by anybody els, so i think its fair to wait what happens until the ball get touched (same as basketball)
To be completely honest, they made the right call. In my opinion anyways. Remember, the ref only counted to 12.3 seconds out of 15, meaning that extra sliver of time was enough to help the white team win. The countdown was too fast too. Theres no way that was a whole 5 seconds
Yes at the end it's a foul by the player in white on the goalie - not even looking for the ball - looking at the player and shoving the goalie - that's a foul and a free kick to the team in purple. I have been a referee and coached for many years. I don't know about the time issue everyone is interested in - the play was continuing and the ref did not read the play properly. If the ref has not blown for time, then play continues - but goalies are to be protected in the box.
@@WELLBRAN Don't comment on stuff you don't know about. Obviously 45 mins is the official length of the match for FIFA. But this is not a match governed by FIFA. It's an American high school match governed by NFHS. And all varsity matches under NFHS are 40 minutes.
@@WELLBRAN You'd have to ask NFHS why they made it 40 mins. Probably because we're dealing with high schoolers, and not adults, so they figured younger people need shorter games. It's not all that uncommon, even in FIFA (at least here in the US). U9's aren't out there playing 45 min halves... They're usually 25 or 30 mins, and then as the kids get older, they scale up to 45 mins.
This is why you learn the rules before you play the game. Nowhere in England in fact Europe would this even be an issue. To disallow that goal would have been a disgrace. With these rules please keep calling it soccer so as to not taint the beautiful game ⚽️
This is precisely why at most high school games the referee has the official time. If the home team has a working scoreboard and wants to be the official timer, that is their right. In this case the AR should be standing at the goal line glancing at the clock as the ball goes in, which should have been easy as the ball was moving slowly. It does not matter if the shot is already taken, the goal does not count if the game ends before the ball crosses the line.
Exactly....soccer is NOT like basketball, where the basket counts if the player gets the shot off before the buzzer. It IS like ice hockey, where the ball (puck) needs to be in the goal before time expires. Expecting parents to understand anything besides whether or not Johnny's team won or lost is setting the bar a bit high.
Everyone saying that the goal shouldn't have counted, obviously is putting too much stock in the announcer having the official clock when he doesn't...He said 5 seconds in span of 4.11 seconds. I guarantee that there was a second left when the ball when into the goal.
In high school soccer, the announcer is suppose to count down the last 10 seconds of each half. Regardless though, the rule in high school soccer is that as long as the ball was last touched by any player before time expires then it is a live ball until it stops or is out of bounds so either way, this is a goal in high school soccer regardless if time expired or not.
How is it wrong? Saying wrong without any basis on why it is, doesn't give your comment any credibility. So please enlighten us with your explanation on why it is wrong, or it'll seem a lot like patronizing to clicks and clip views to publicize your videos. I'm tired of officials getting criticized for things that the public eye doesn't understand. If you've never officiated high school athletics before, especially soccer, you may not have the perspective to see certain things in these situations to understand what is going on.
I get tired of people that criticize officials that would never even think about officiating. They're also the same people that wonder why officiating isn't as good as it should be. Just like coaches and players, it takes time for some officials to get to the level that they can make those split second decisions that everyone in the stands can record and replay back in slow motion. Which by the way, is a lot easier angle to see from the bleachers because you have the height angle to help you out. Officials are on the "ground level" where bodies can be in the way or an angle they have can be seen differently than up in the stands. This is just one of many videos he posts that questions officiating in soccer. And I have my doubts on why he does just that.
Am I the only one that thinks it should have been a PK for purple in the beginning of the video, in the first place? White is latched on to him like white on rice.
I timed it on a stopwatch and exactly five seconds elapses from when the announcer says five to when the ball crosses the goal line. Correct decision to give the goal. Guy counting down was counting too fast.
big mistake in high school soccer only the ref knows the time him telling them to add 15 seconds was stupid and before the game starts you let it be known to the players and coaches to ignore the scoreboard clock that way you avoid a countdown like this
I think it goes 1 one thousand, 2 one thousand, 3 one thousand, 4 etc etc. however, since when is the game controlled by a commentator??? It's not his place to call time.This is soccer not basketball...The Ref is in control...
Puckman637 - it is just hard to grasp for someone who has played football in Germany over 20 years. Why change the rules, it makes it more difficult since young players usually watch professional games with different rules. Just get them accustomed to the rules from the early beginning. Also, parents during those matches really seem to be a problem. I have never encountered anything like this, hence, I actually appreciate sending parents off. Perhaps it should be even implemented that the kid needs to go with them as well. That will teach parents to shut up >D
Play to the whistle NOT the announcer. There was an incident during a Rugby match here in the U.K where a player looked at the stadium clock and kicked the ball out of play so that it became half time. By the refs watch it wasn't. Plus looking at some of the comments on here about 'different rules for different states' I think thats absurd. Play to the ACTUAL rules of the game that are global. Not make your own.
First off, why would there be a person counting down the time? The referee should be keeping time. I get that it is in the rules of the league but in Football/Soccer the Referee Counts The Time. Done. Also, the announcer counted down waayyyy to faast. It took him only 3.80 seconds to count from 5 to 1, which means that there was in reality another second and twenty milliseconds to play before the real five seconds expires. Hence, it is a good call to let the goal stand. Once again, I understand that it is the leagues rules but it is not a very good choice to let a person count down the time. This does not help with improving skills of officials or players, and it should be the referee to call the game, and keep the time. All in all, a good performance from the referees, and kind of weird to let a person count down. Oh well, the right call was to keep the goal, and it was made, so good job to the referee.
Puckman637 i know it is the rules of the league. I said it already if you read my complete response. I just said that it should be the referee to manage the game. Not the announcer. But whatever good call
No stoppage time in high school soccer. Dude definitely fouled the goalie. And the announcer was looking at the scoreboard counting down according to what the clock on there showed. No doubt about it, that was a LONGGGGG second after the announcer said 1. In my opinion no goal. It’s high school, not the pros, so you can’t even compare rules between the 2. If there was a buzzer it would have went off before that ball crossed. But there was no buzzer, and the ref didn’t blow his whistle, so a goal is a goal.
This isn't basketball the games not over when the time is up, the game is over when the referee calls it. If there's a scoring chance the ref shouldn't blow the whistle.
The ref decides its just that simple.. football is a dictatorship not a democracy , its not like hockey or basket.. The ref never stops the game at a goal chance...
How the center official didn't call a foul on #17 white or call the game over when the announcer said "zero" before the foul on #17 is beyond me. It's his call and if he was in better position or had a better angle, he would've seen the charge on #17 (white). What a disgrace.
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This is a good job by the coaches.....I love how they are talking to the referees instead of yelling
Referee is the sole time keeper they should never had let the announcer countdown. But it is America!!!!!
Ray Gilmore that's racist as fuck and pretty fucking insulting too imo.
via Baadach is it oh well deal with it!!!!!
Pretty accurate as well.
HS and college soccer keep time on the scoreboard, they stop and start the timer with no added time.
Vestbiii hows that racist lmaoooo
Referee is the sole keeper of the time. The announcer should not be allowed to count down. Whether or not the timer reached zero it counted.
+Django Scott not in Ohio high school soccer. This isn't governed by FIFA rules
OP is right, rules regarding time are different in school games.
actually high school games all around the US are the same the scoreboard doesn't govern the time the ref does
The Referee stops and starts time, the scoreboard is the official time though, and the countdown is also done in some places. Once the clock reaches Zero in High School, it's over, no adding time, only stop and start.
In NC the scoreboard is the official time. Clock stops for goals, bookings and injuries that require a substitution. Once the clock runs out the game is over. There is no stoppage time.
I love parents, who have no idea what the rules are, getting all hot and bothered when they are wrong. Clueless parents should either stay home or shut up.
Amen
Parents should stay home and shut up
I'm going to make it as clear as possible, it doesnt matter what the hell happens, if the ref doesnt blow his whistle, the game isn't over. Simple as that
Puckman637 what’s the reason for this?? I know this is old but I’d appreciate it I’m confused, in Canada it’s not the same. Otherwise I’ll google, thanks
@Puckman637, it's actually a good rule. Referees have their hands full enforcing rules regarding fouls, offsides, throw-ins, corner & goal kicks, etc., without also having to deal with timekeeping issues.
Under the NFHS rulebook, that's not correct. If there is a scoreboard that is operating with the time, you go by that, and the ball has to cross the line before the time on the scoreboard elapses. As stupid as it is, that goal shouldn't have been given.
WTF is that countdown. Your playing football not going to the moon ffs
bizjer1 lol
*You’re*
Omg lolol
love it...
did you know in some countries, football is called soccer?
Soccer is not like basketball or football where you have to beat the buzzer. Referee is official time keeper, not announcer. Should be a goal, no question.
+kensworth39 in this instance, the scoreboard clock was on the other side of the stadium, so unless the ref is staring at his watch with one eye & the ball with the other (which is impossible), there is NO WAY (without goal-line technology) anyone will ever know if the ball crossed the line before time expired. AND, if it did cross the line, that means that there should be a second or 2 left on the clock....so N.Royalton should've kicked off, instead of Westlake walking off
What I'm saying is it doesn't matter when time expired. As a referee, we are trained to basically say "1 play left" with 10 seconds to go. If a team is lining up for a corner kick and time expires, we wait until the kick is taken and the cross is missed or cleared, even if it means going 10 seconds over.
I would have a riot on my hands if I blew my whistle in the middle of a counter-attack that could score a goal.
+kensworth39 are you an Ohio high school referee? Ohio HS soccer has COMPLETELY different rules than FIFA or USSF. (Letting it go 10seconds longer than what the scoreboard says) it's against the rules. There's no "adding time" The clock is actually stopped during injuries, cards, goals, & referee stoppages.
Well then that rule is a disgrace to the sport, the players should not know how much time is left in the game. It changes the game dynamic completely. The ref should be the official time keeper. After a 80-90 minute game, it should not come down to a few seconds.
+kensworth39 time is kept on the scoreboard for all to see & it's the announcer's job to count down the final 10sec of each half (so that the ref doesn't have to look at his watch in final seconds)....and yes oHSAA rules are a disgrace....you can sub on your own corner kicks too (just to name 1 very different rule)....and some leagues use a 2-ref system for varsity games.
Why is there even a countdown
thats how high school and college play... it is supposed to promote fairness because then a ref can't do injury time
And that is fair why alex? so team a can take the lead in the minute 20 and fake injuries and waste time with every goal kick? Yeah that sounds fair to me...
That Sony Guy totally agree
I was being sarcastic. -_- college and high school soccer in USA is retarded
Alex Milkowski tell me about it today a referee gave me a yellow card for saying did u not see him stiff arm him and it's only is the 2nd game of the season 1 more yellow card and I'm out the rest of the season and I've only got 1 yellow card
Well... AS a FIFA REFEREE. Its pretty simple read the FIFA Advise to Referees, it clearly states that it is NO LESS THAN THE DESIGNATED TIME ADDED... Meaning if i add 15 seconds it cant be 14, it must be AT LEAST 15 seconds, It could be 10000 minutes, it doesnt matter.
+GABES GAMERAGE comparing FIFA to OHSAA is like apples to elephants....they're not even close to each other. In a FIFA sanctioned game, you are correct. In an OHSAA sanctioned game, you're 100% wrong (per their rules). There is NO adding time on the ref's watch (without doing it on the scoreboard....for all to see)
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Well thats the most moronic thing I've ever heard of... WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT... The referee in the Rules of the Game IS THE OFFICIAL TIME KEEPER OF THE GAME.. Not a Score Board. Our game isn't basketball.. it's soccer, or football if you will.
+GABES GAMERAGE talk to the Ohio High School Athletic Assoc about it. It's their rules. They based most of their rules like FIFA, but decided to change certain rules (such as the clock management rule).
if its apart of US Soccer, they shouldnt be changing rules as important as that one.. As we can see by this video its a very poor idea to have an announcer do a count down, and to allow referees to be the official time keeper.
+GABES GAMERAGE did u watch the whole video? there was a discrepancy in the time earlier (where the ref started the game clock 2sec too early, so technically, the goal is DEF scored with time left on the clock.
Ohio follows rules set by NFHS. The rule book states, "Referee keeps time only by agreement
of the coaches or state association otherwise home team controls clock. Timer counts down last 10 seconds". It does not specify if a goal can be scored after the 40 minute half. NCAA rules, on the other hand, specifically state game is over when signal sounds or game clock hits 0:00. I'm assuming the HS soccer is handled the same. Club soccer works on FIFA rules and the clock is handled completely at the discretion of the referee.
It's not basketball, what's the problem here? lol
I referee in Utah, and according to our State adoption, the center referee is the sole timekeeper. The clock operator is instructed to stop the stadium clock at two minutes remaining, and then the final whistle is at the sole discretion of the center referee. I will *almost* always wait until the ball is in a neutral position with no clear posession to blow the final whistle. The only exception is when the attacking team is already ahead by a few goals when time expires.
The Utah adoption of the rules pretty much eliminates all the goofy possibilities of timing problems, and it is totally within the rights of the state association to do so. If I were an Ohio referee, I would contact the OHSAA head referee and ask that serious consideration be given to altering the state adoption of Rule 6-2-1.
you do realize there is no rule as to where the ball is when the referee ends the game? yes tradition says you wait for neutral because it looks better but you can end the game during a stopage, before a throw-in, etc. sometimes that's the best choice.
also with the stadium clock stuff, referees should just tell both coaches before the game the stadium clock is unofficial and not the time. then the problem is fixed.
Unfortunately, they can't do that. If you're reffing high school the rules mandate that the scoreboard is the official clock, and that if the referee's clock disagrees with it, they can change it. What this means, however, is that when time runs out on the scoreboard, the game is over. The ball has to cross the line before the clock hits zero.@@gotacallfromvishal
Great sportsmanship by the coaches at the end of the game.
You people commenting about the referee keeping time don’t understand high school boys soccer. I also haven’t seen anyone comment regarding number 17 not even attempting to play the ball and fouling the defender and the goalkeeper as the ball was played into the box. The goal should have been disallowed.
there were no fouls. Ive been playing for 25years and if you were to suggest of a possible then id recommend looking at your post.
The only reason this is an issue is because of the announcer .5 seconds either way would never matter in a match that followed FIFA laws of the game with the reffere as the time keeper
And the ref adds time on for stoppages not anyone else
Some great things here... 1) Referees working together to get the call. 2) Coach master class on accepting referee decisions. 3) Lesson for high schools to NOT do a clock countdown. The referee is the official timekeeper. Clocks should pause or turn off at 2 minutes with an announcement (or norm) that time is being kept on the field.
In Ohio high school soccer, the scoreboard clock is ALWAYS counted down from 10 to zero. They don't abide by FIFA rules
“Well, you also need a buzzer” -some lady who has no idea how the sport works.
I was expecting a fight...
The only issue I see here is the restart, after the goal they should have had a kickoff then end the game ... other then that nice goal at the last seconds
I have no skin in this game and MUST point out how well the CR/AR worked at the end together. Sorry to break it to partisan fans, but the AR noticed that time had not, in fact, elapsed on the clock when the ball went in. How do we know this? Take out your stop clock and time the guy who counts down from 5 to 1. It took 3.68 seconds and NOT the full 5 seconds. Hence, there was more than 1 second on the clock for the ball to legally cross the line. You can see the CR point (presumably) to the clock when explaining the call. What they needed was an automatic horn to go off, not the sole guy counting down.
They needed nothing. The ref has a whistle. End of story
Never mind the time, did White 17 not foul the keeper before the ball went into the goal.
John Volt HA! Looong reply, but hear me out. Thanks John for being one of the only other ones (Randall did too!) to catch that blatant foul. I went looking through comments to see if anyone else caught it. I’m sure many others did but just didn’t comment. Both referees missed it. Refereeing is an art, laced with imperfections, good intentions, perspectives, and angles. However, this play by White #17 was clearly a violation (despite what some folks here get wrong). Regardless of time remaining, what clock to follow, what the Blue defender #23 should have done to shield the ball from White #17 getting to it, or what else the keeper should have done to clear the ball. Play stops at the time of that foul. He clearly went into to interfere physically with the keeper, making no attempt to locate the ball (he didn't turn around) and no attempt to play the ball (went in forcefully around defender, lunged at and elbowed the keeper aggressively, again without playing the ball). He should have been cautioned. Goal disallowed. Blue team's free kick at the spot of the foul. Blue #21 had the best view of it and rightfully expressed his frustration at the missed call. As I find myself saying all too often, referees impact the way the game is played, the result of games, arguably player and fan love of the game (though I am open to the idea that it may not be as emotionally charged and fun if fans didn’t have something to complain about!), and need to be held accountable for doing a better job, based on more appropriate hands-on training by experienced referees who are adept at seeing and making tough calls. Soccer leagues, who pay for and utilize the referees to make money (non-profits still make $$ after all), should do a better job at finding the best referees in the area and holding training sessions for less-experienced referees. They after all are the ones paying for the service. I say that with nearly 15 years of referee experience under my belt, from the age of 8 or so (I started as a line judge with U6 and worked my way up to high school and competitive soccer head referee). Soccer organizations and state referee associations need to be held accountable for this. Ultimately, parents are the ones that this responsibility falls to (since they are the ones paying and largely the only ones complaining). But there is no real mechanism to capture this, nor incentive for parents to comment on particular referees or particular actions (good or bad). Video review would be helpful, but only in extreme cases (injuries, for example) does this information make it to the state referee associations and/or league officials (who are again not truly incentivized to report referees who make these mistakes or deal with the issue, since they need referees and there are far too few of them, who always feel like they are getting picked on if anyone challenges their calls, etc). Granted, far too many critiques come out as expletive-laden barrages or silly snipe sessions. But referees need to be more humble about their weaknesses and inability to call a perfect game. When questioned, they should be open to the fact that they are imperfect and may very well have missed the important call, instead of getting agitated and lashing out at the frustrated paying customer. In what business is that ok? Businesses should actively seek out complaints and deal with them appropriately. Perhaps, if there was an effective mechanism to capture grievances, a mechanism for review of these issues, and a way to use mistakes to improve referees on the field, perhaps the fans (the ones who truly are paying customers) wouldn't feel the need to berate referees (or complain at all - HA!). I'm not condoning disrespectful behavior, and there is a time for everything, but the system needs proactive fixin'. Only when teams, parents and leagues file critiques, will the system feel the pressure to change. Until then, "No complaints about Referee calls!" instruction will remain the norm. Go to the Ohio North State Referee Committee: sites.google.com/view/ohnrefsorg/home?CFID=239889434&CFTOKEN=69146902. All that said, coaches and players handled themselves well. No comment about the quality or style of soccer being played. Cheers!
Were else in the world do they let some idiot on a loud speaker count down the end of a game, its the ref that ends the game not a bigmouth behind the microphone
Drop Bear "were" in the world?
You are right. In high school and college games the clock controls the time. However is this very unique case, the ball was already in movement towards to goal when the clock got to zero. I don't know what the absolutely correct call should be, but as a HS coach, if this happened against my team, I would understand the referee's decision to validate the goal. It's a very tough one.
@Puckman637 Game had at least 2 seconds after he said zero the ref said add 15 seconds and the clock on the screen stopped at 12.5 seconds
How many great calls were there ?
Ohhh those aren’t recorded.
In the 2 cases I do disagree ultimately with the calls- however :
Being on the field making the call is a lot tougher.
I loved how canter ref went to his guys and they showed professionalism.
There is some possibility #23 was offside but you can't really tell from what the camera covered. And the linesman did not call it. Other than that I don't see the problem a goal can go in in the last second just as likely as any other second.
stop changing the rules of a sport that you didn't create? play it like every other ountry in the world maybe??
*country
We don't, NFHS is not sanctioned by FIFA or USSF. The vast majority of matches in the United States are played under the laws of the game, not "high school rules."
So only the country, in your mind, that created the sport have a right to change the rules of the sport. Have you wrote FIFA yet to express your displeasure when they change them? And I believe they are called Laws not rules of the game. If this is not is wrong, better let FIFA know.
Because we're a little different than the rest of the world. Most of our sports teams are based in high schools, not soccer or local sporting associations. The high school system means there is a lot more difference in talent. The NFHS (and NCAA maybe) decided that 3 subs isn't enough. Some officials come from the district or state, others (timekeepers) are provided by the home team. They try and follow FIFA, but a few notable exceptions.
Academy teams, and most rec leagues are run under FIFA rules. Where I coach, we try and follow USSF guidelines, but it's a mismosh. Another issue is academy teams don't allow their athletes to play in other sports (or other soccer teams like their school), which is another reason it's not popular. We have a Division 2 team (Riverhounds), and they have an academy, but with that stipulation. U12 players in the US don't know which sport they want to play yet.
Mr_ Crabby like the rest of the world does with Basketball?
When he says one there is still one second left.
When that announcer was counting down, I was expecting the Thunderbirds to launch :)
I guess Ohio is a state where the official time is required to be the stadium clock. My state of NM (and many others) allows for the official time to be kept on the field by the referee. Stadium clock is shut off at 2 mins at the end of each half. This kind of thing can happen if you rely on the stadium horn to end the half.
Why would you countdown a soccer match over the loudspeaker? The referee is the sole keeper of time. The only thing I see wrong in this video is that the referee didn't resume play after the goal and then blow the whistle to officially end the game.
In school games, the scoreboard may be the official time, but it definitely isn't an announcer counting down. Who is to say he is accurate? He may be off. And generally, countdowns are always off by a full second.
For example, when the scoreboard goes from 5 to 4, at that point, there is not 4 seconds left, but 4.99 seconds left. But that is where someone would count FOUR. Thus they are off by .99 seconds. So I'mguessing that when the announcer, who is not official, is saying ONE, there is really 1.99 seconds remaining.
Where in the world is the stoppage time???? Does Ohio just not have any additional time added in? Do they just play strict 45-minute halves and that is it?
Ohio High school rules - 40min halves....Referee stops clock (if needed). PA announcer counts down final 10sec. No stoppage time
In football we say Minimum 2 minutes added time not Maximum 2 minutes
Americans keep changing the rules
What's with the timer.... This isn't the NBA.
Referee decides when to end the game, the additional minutes is added for the time wasted, and if players are wasting time with thrown ins/corners then the ref can add more time.
It's also a given that refs allow the advantage of an attack to carry its last phase out.
Everyone is stating the FIFA rules and we have no idea if they altered the rules for this region/game/tournament. They could have a rule that when time expires the game ends instantly and goals don't count. We simply don't know. Yes, I know this is not how it is suppose to work but some leagues take liberties with rules.
This is a very simple matter. What was being counted down is irrelevant to the match. The Center Ref is keeping the time and may or may not add time as he or she sees fit.
+Mark Bukowski wrong!!! read OHSAA rules regarding soccer (they completely different than FIFA)
Unfortunately in NFHS rules (the ones most high school associations use), the referee is NOT the timekeeper. That role gets put on a count-down stadium clock (where one is available, otherwise the referee is the timekeeper).
@@Raider025 well then the scoreboard operator should do his job RIGHT and start time when told to. There should have been atleast 3 seconds when he said zero he was told to add 15 seconds and only added 12.
Ex-ref here. That countdown thing is nonsense. Play can continue, at the referee's discretion, slightly past the end of "injury time" if an imminent goal scoring opportunity is taking place. That's exactly what happened here, referee did not blow his whistle - game continues!
That countdown thing is a bit insane :)
Ken Savage every federation had different rules. This isn't FIFA
The player in white wasn’t making any attempt for the ball . His eyes and body were focused on the goalkeeper. Forget the timer
This timing rule also applies in all divisions of collegiate soccer as well.
If it makes anyone feel better, there should've been 3 more seconds because he started the clock after 12 s and not 15
What Clock?....its the ref who has a watch that's the game rules...
and that guys is why you don't fucking have a countdown as an end to a match
I hate having the count made like that, especially since he stopped at "one." It looked like the ball hadn't quite crossed the line by the time he would have reached "zero," but as the timeline showed the ref restarted the clock three seconds early so the goal definitely should have counted.
Back in 1983 I had a similar situation except it was a kid doing the countdown and he stopped when he got to "five." There was a corner going on so I couldn't turn around to see what was happening. I found out later that he knocked the air horn that he was supposed to blow when the time out onto the floor. So he started scrabbling around trying to pick it up and forgot to keep counting. When he got it he blew the horn, just as there was a handball on a header towards goal.
The match was a make up game that had gotten monsooned out a couple of weeks earlier. The score was 0-0 and would settle the district championship. Back then the teams decided pre-match whether they would play extra time or not, and the team that only needed a draw declined to play beyond 80 minutes. Naturally they were the one's who'd given up the handball. They claimed time had already expired before the impact, the team that needed to win claimed the penalty should be awarded.
We huddled for several minutes before agreeing that the penalty should be awarded because the contact came before the horn, even if we were uncertain of the actual time. Then we spent several more minutes going around with the coaches (and screaming fans), before telling the offensive team to send up their kicker versus the goalkeeper. There would be no rebound, make or miss time would expire.
It was probably poetic justice that he yanked his shot high and left of the goal; with no overtime, that was the end of the game. And that is why I HATE having anyone other than the ref keeping the official time.
Time keeping is always at the referee’s discretion. Always. The clock is not necessarily an absolute. As a referee, if there is a promising attack, with continual motion of ball with players, I’ll only blow stop when that last attack fails, if it has crossed the midline before regulation time. This usually amounts to about 15 seconds of additional play.
Sounds like you're a great FIFA ref. Unfortunately, this is an NFHS match, and FIFA laws don't apply.
@@cowboycurtis2229, doesn’t matter. Nearly every ref would do the same thing. All referees are initially trained for FIFA rules as those are what governs the trickle down to youth matches through US Soccer. Go take the referee course, you will see.
*granted, btw, that yes - some rules can differ by league, but I stand by the statement that few referees would blow a whistle in any game with a promising attack under way at regulation time.
@@andrewsmith9174 There are different referee courses for FIFA and NFHS. I know... I've taken both. And while I can admit that someone who was initially trained under the FIFA rules will likely have hesitation to stop play immediately when the clock hits zero, that doesn't include refs who have only ever been trained under NFHS rule, and there are a lot of them.
A ref's job is to know the rules that govern the particular match that they are reffing. And if the rules say end the game at zero regardless of what's happening, then it's the ref's job to do that. I've done it countless time because that is what is expected and required of me. I've just been fortunate that I've never had a situation like this happen to me.
@@cowboycurtis2229, thank you for making the clarification. In my area, they don’t use a separate training course for this level.
As an American I HATE the countdown in some high school and college. Thank goodness we don’t have countdown where I play for school
I do believe the referee is the sole time keeper, but even then, there is a whole second between 0 and 1 seconds, so by the time the announcer said 1 and the ball went in, it was probably a couple milliseconds ahead of 0.
If it is a hard stop clock get a buzzer and a scoreboard. If not the referee has the clock on their wrist. Crew missed the red card stomp in the PA at the beginning unfortunately.
How did number 10 get credit for that goal?!?!
he was last player from White team to touch it. It should've been called an own-goal
Here's the solution. Don't let the other team score.
What's the announcer commentating for, the fans should know what's going on.
Most of them are parents....they're not going to know what's going on regardless. All they do is run their mouths and make themselves look stupid.
When I was a kid we travelled to the united states for a tourney. The referee called each goal like an american football touchdown. Too funny.
I was confused because the ref never blew the whistle and the announcer was counting down
According to the NFHS rules, the ball must be completely OVER the line at the completion of time. The timekeeper is require to countdown the last 10 seconds of play (which he didn't- he only counted 5). As we can see from the angle, the ball is CLEARLY not over the goal line at time 0, and the goal should not have been given.
But the ref had added 15 extra seconds so technically it was a good goal.
+Owen Spisak Time added doesn't matter because when the ref said add 15 seconds, the high school clock operator did it manually. The moment the clock runs out, the game is over, and the ball was clearly not in the goal at that time.
Can I ask what NFHS stands for?I am a ref but I'm just doubting they were playing under this league or rule set. I've never had a game where an announcer has to count down and the ref must end the game there.
+The Irish Wristwatch No, it's a very good question. NFHS is the National Federation of High Schools that sanctions all High School rules and games.
+Julien Tagnon well I'm in high school, probably why I haven't heard of this, I'm not old enough yet. Thanks though
There shouldn't even be a discussion in this as EACH STATE HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS ASSOCIATION CAN adopt THEIR own rules as per the National high school federation rule book.
I also reff highschool, i tell the time keeper to always stop at min 2 and that my time is official not theirs
So you just disregard NFHS rules? Or does your state allow you to do this? I'm in PA, and we would not be allowed to do this. Scoreboard is the official time.
It look like it was in at 1 left. I never played soccer. But I know reps keep time on their watches. An lots of times the game goes over 90 minutes or what they play
As an NFHS referee in New York State, this is a bit of a pickle... The ball was already in the air when the buzzer sounded. And under any other circumstance, say USSF or FIFA Laws, this would be a 100% legal goal. In NFHS, the referees lose the ability to apply some common sense to a stadium clock, which in NY can only be overridden if it BREAKS or there is none at the field (I only work JV games currently, but both JV and V follow the same rules). To me, this goal should stand. Why? Because no one touches the ball even with time still left. One would think that NFHS people would deduce something like this would happen. With no precedence to go off, which rule system then becomes the best guess? USSF or NCAA? In this case, USSF seemed to be the most fair way of dealing with it. Hard to blame the referees for rule discrepancies no one figured out sooner...
Also, after looking into the rulebook, it simply states that a period expires when time ends, save the exception for a penalty kick. However, rule 5 states the head referee has authority to override a disagreement between timers. So really, a case can be made both ways. The discrepancies here are very dangerous to have given that something like this can happen.
+ParodyKing124 Not a legal goal in USSF or FIFA if the referee blows his whistle prior to the ball crossing the goal line!
LKehoe31 the only reason the referee blew the whistle was because of the time on the stadium clock expiring. We have the ability to delay the whistle to see what happens in USSF. Also, there's no public clock in USSF.
+ParodyKing124 I know that. I ref both NFHS and USSF. That is why I like working without a scoreboard during high school matches. I can wait and see for a brief period of time.
+LKehoe31 Then why were we just talking about the goal then?
Its a goal, no ref is going to call off a goal by a second, the play plays out. The ref is the time keeper, this is not basketball or football.
The refs should have changed their colors. Refs are required to have 5 colors, so they are always different than the two teams and the two keepers. Having the refs wear the same color as either of the teams or keepers is a big no no. Though keepers should have alternate color as well, and could have changed as long as they had an alternate, and it wasn't the same as either team's colors. Also, the two keepers *should* have different colors, but that's not a big deal usually, since they are usually at opposite ends of the field, and not near each other.
I don't think the clock factors into it. #17 White threw his body into Blue's GK. Caution to him, DFK going back.
It all depends on the state high school athletic association rules. If we assume the rules are when the clock runs out the goal is disallowed then we are still left with a subjective ruling. In the opinion of the referees the goal counted. In the end we want the game decided by the players on the field. In my opinion it was. The keeper had the opportunity to secure a tie and the attacker the opportunity to secure a win. The attacker succeeded.
This is defentely an goal. The last touch of the ball was in the 1-2 second range, the ball isnt hit by anybody els, so i think its fair to wait what happens until the ball get touched (same as basketball)
Why are the referees wearing the same color as the goal keepers?????
NFHS rules allow that, FIFA does not.
To be completely honest, they made the right call. In my opinion anyways. Remember, the ref only counted to 12.3 seconds out of 15, meaning that extra sliver of time was enough to help the white team win. The countdown was too fast too. Theres no way that was a whole 5 seconds
At least the teams accepted the result.
You don't blow the final whistle when a team is shooting at goal anyway … doesn't happen in Europe
Yes at the end it's a foul by the player in white on the goalie - not even looking for the ball - looking at the player and shoving the goalie - that's a foul and a free kick to the team in purple. I have been a referee and coached for many years. I don't know about the time issue everyone is interested in - the play was continuing and the ref did not read the play properly. If the ref has not blown for time, then play continues - but goalies are to be protected in the box.
from this angle it may or may not be a goal. if a ball is in the air and goes in the goal after the clock ends it still counts. Otherwise no
In our state, if there is a timeclock visible, it is the official clock. Game ends when the clock runs to 00:00. Clock runs down from 40:00.
40mins??..its 45 mins
@@WELLBRAN Don't comment on stuff you don't know about. Obviously 45 mins is the official length of the match for FIFA. But this is not a match governed by FIFA. It's an American high school match governed by NFHS. And all varsity matches under NFHS are 40 minutes.
@@cowboycurtis2229 WTF? why is it 40mins? where is the logic to change it from the rest of the world
@@WELLBRAN You'd have to ask NFHS why they made it 40 mins. Probably because we're dealing with high schoolers, and not adults, so they figured younger people need shorter games.
It's not all that uncommon, even in FIFA (at least here in the US). U9's aren't out there playing 45 min halves... They're usually 25 or 30 mins, and then as the kids get older, they scale up to 45 mins.
It was in 2015....why were they still using a "game" clock? NCAA should ditch it too.
OHSAA rules
This is why you learn the rules before you play the game.
Nowhere in England in fact Europe would this even be an issue. To disallow that goal would have been a disgrace.
With these rules please keep calling it soccer so as to not taint the beautiful game ⚽️
This is precisely why at most high school games the referee has the official time. If the home team has a working scoreboard and wants to be the official timer, that is their right. In this case the AR should be standing at the goal line glancing at the clock as the ball goes in, which should have been easy as the ball was moving slowly. It does not matter if the shot is already taken, the goal does not count if the game ends before the ball crosses the line.
+kms3846 as for your opening statement - NOT IN OHIO!
Exactly....soccer is NOT like basketball, where the basket counts if the player gets the shot off before the buzzer. It IS like ice hockey, where the ball (puck) needs to be in the goal before time expires.
Expecting parents to understand anything besides whether or not Johnny's team won or lost is setting the bar a bit high.
Everyone saying that the goal shouldn't have counted, obviously is putting too much stock in the announcer having the official clock when he doesn't...He said 5 seconds in span of 4.11 seconds. I guarantee that there was a second left when the ball when into the goal.
In high school soccer, the announcer is suppose to count down the last 10 seconds of each half. Regardless though, the rule in high school soccer is that as long as the ball was last touched by any player before time expires then it is a live ball until it stops or is out of bounds so either way, this is a goal in high school soccer regardless if time expired or not.
WRONG!!!!
How is it wrong? Saying wrong without any basis on why it is, doesn't give your comment any credibility. So please enlighten us with your explanation on why it is wrong, or it'll seem a lot like patronizing to clicks and clip views to publicize your videos. I'm tired of officials getting criticized for things that the public eye doesn't understand. If you've never officiated high school athletics before, especially soccer, you may not have the perspective to see certain things in these situations to understand what is going on.
You seem extremely mad about this weird topic
I get tired of people that criticize officials that would never even think about officiating. They're also the same people that wonder why officiating isn't as good as it should be. Just like coaches and players, it takes time for some officials to get to the level that they can make those split second decisions that everyone in the stands can record and replay back in slow motion. Which by the way, is a lot easier angle to see from the bleachers because you have the height angle to help you out. Officials are on the "ground level" where bodies can be in the way or an angle they have can be seen differently than up in the stands. This is just one of many videos he posts that questions officiating in soccer. And I have my doubts on why he does just that.
Why is announcer counting down???
Am I the only one that thinks it should have been a PK for purple in the beginning of the video, in the first place? White is latched on to him like white on rice.
I timed it on a stopwatch and exactly five seconds elapses from when the announcer says five to when the ball crosses the goal line. Correct decision to give the goal. Guy counting down was counting too fast.
NO GOAL !!! Foul on the Westlake forward. WTF, people?
You don’t countdown soccer. Period.
You've just wasted a whole paragraph because none of that has anything to do with soccer
How they do it in high school
big mistake in high school soccer only the ref knows the time him telling them to add 15 seconds was stupid and before the game starts you let it be known to the players and coaches to ignore the scoreboard clock that way you avoid a countdown like this
Except, that this is HS rules and the scoreboard is the official clock. Don't know why there wasn't a buzzer to end it, though.
Um ya didn’t no judo throw not in the opening shot
Why does everyone keep talking about the time?? it was plan to see it was Goalie interference!! he pushed the goalie clear as day!!!
I think it goes 1 one thousand, 2 one thousand, 3 one thousand, 4 etc etc. however, since when is the game controlled by a commentator??? It's not his place to call time.This is soccer not basketball...The Ref is in control...
A soccer game will never end mid-play.
Countdown is ridiculous just causes problems for nothing
Puckman637 - that does not change the fact that this rule is ridiculous.
American way man
Puckman637 - it is just hard to grasp for someone who has played football in Germany over 20 years. Why change the rules, it makes it more difficult since young players usually watch professional games with different rules. Just get them accustomed to the rules from the early beginning.
Also, parents during those matches really seem to be a problem. I have never encountered anything like this, hence, I actually appreciate sending parents off. Perhaps it should be even implemented that the kid needs to go with them as well. That will teach parents to shut up >D
As ref in England I would never allow anyone else to time keep for me
This is not soccer. This is Americans creating their own sport.
Play to the whistle NOT the announcer. There was an incident during a Rugby match here in the U.K where a player looked at the stadium clock and kicked the ball out of play so that it became half time. By the refs watch it wasn't. Plus looking at some of the comments on here about 'different rules for different states' I think thats absurd. Play to the ACTUAL rules of the game that are global. Not make your own.
You do know that most sports have different rules for different levels right.
My high school team has a countdown at the end too, it really isn't an uncommon thing
Why was there not a penalty awarded and a red card given to the defender for stomping on the opposition player????
Geoff Morgan when did that happen?
Geoff Morgan bc the center and the AR never saw it....simple
First off, why would there be a person counting down the time? The referee should be keeping time. I get that it is in the rules of the league but in Football/Soccer the Referee Counts The Time. Done. Also, the announcer counted down waayyyy to faast. It took him only 3.80 seconds to count from 5 to 1, which means that there was in reality another second and twenty milliseconds to play before the real five seconds expires. Hence, it is a good call to let the goal stand. Once again, I understand that it is the leagues rules but it is not a very good choice to let a person count down the time. This does not help with improving skills of officials or players, and it should be the referee to call the game, and keep the time. All in all, a good performance from the referees, and kind of weird to let a person count down. Oh well, the right call was to keep the goal, and it was made, so good job to the referee.
Puckman637 i know it is the rules of the league. I said it already if you read my complete response. I just said that it should be the referee to manage the game. Not the announcer. But whatever good call
Puckman637 okay :)
No stoppage time in high school soccer. Dude definitely fouled the goalie. And the announcer was looking at the scoreboard counting down according to what the clock on there showed. No doubt about it, that was a LONGGGGG second after the announcer said 1. In my opinion no goal. It’s high school, not the pros, so you can’t even compare rules between the 2. If there was a buzzer it would have went off before that ball crossed. But there was no buzzer, and the ref didn’t blow his whistle, so a goal is a goal.
It's a good goal and good job from the center to allow it.
And it was an own goal the ball hit the Gks head.
This isn't basketball the games not over when the time is up, the game is over when the referee calls it. If there's a scoring chance the ref shouldn't blow the whistle.
Is soccer necessary?
The guy on the microphone counted down pretty fast and he is probably the Uncle of one of the players on the losing team, LOL......................!!!
The ref decides its just that simple.. football is a dictatorship not a democracy , its not like hockey or basket.. The ref never stops the game at a goal chance...
what's the problem?
you cant wistle when they attack.
How the center official didn't call a foul on #17 white or call the game over when the announcer said "zero" before the foul on #17 is beyond me. It's his call and if he was in better position or had a better angle, he would've seen the charge on #17 (white). What a disgrace.
Idk why that team would be mad when the defense and the goalkeeper are totally at fault for being that shit.
jesus that linesman is big enough to have his own gravitational field..
Also something worth mentioning: the extremely low level of play … they don't give passes, they just kick the ball and see where it falls …
That makes so much sense
+Mark Bukowski sarcasm?
The game isn't over till the referee blows his whistle. So I don't understand why someone is allowed to countdown. That is a legit goal.
Something to do with stupid north american rules.
In football it's called play to the whistle, and every player knows it, it's football 101.
Not the same
Ridiculous reply from someone who has never played or been a ref.
@@probey76227 it must suck to be wrong 100% of the time