Painting the LYING Warhammer Box Art
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0:00 Intro
1:01 Giving us WRONG Base Coat Colors
4:38 Lying about How They Make Shadows
8:53 It's Highlighting, not HIDElighting
10:15 Dry Brushing to VICTORY
12:08 Painting Necron GLOW
13:43 My Final Thoughts and GRAND REVEAL - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
I recall reading an interview with Duncan Rhodes where he mentioned that they weren't allowed to mix paints in his videos because it implies that GW didn't have a paint for every situation.
Interesting, but understandable perhaps. I haven't followed the GW Masterclasses much since they've been behind paywalls for years now. But the old 2000s White Dwarf articles and the few more recent Instagram posts I've definitely have some oddly ratioed mixes and things like shading yellow with purple, which seems unintuitive for those not well acquainted with color theory.
Before Incubi Darkness was a thing, I remember the official color scheme for the 2010 range overhaul of Dark Eldar (Drukhari) was based some 3-paint mix of blues, greens, and/or black that was wholly impractical for a novice painter to replicate on an army-wide scale.
Surely you jest? The amount of different shades of all the colors would be kinda overwhelming anyway (talking about the shades human eye can see differently, not stuff like lipstick colors that are so close to each other, human eye cannot literally see the difference, yet women keep buying them because "they're 2 different colors!" 🤣) so who would even hold it against them if they don't have paint for every situation. Unless GW thinks most painters and/or gamers are kinda dense... 🤔 Ok never mind, GW has a point when they don't wanna make such implications.
@@finnishfatman Nope, Peachy has said the same on painting phase.
@@BarokaiRein well that’s just Peachy!
Which is kinda funny, because they have some glaring gaps in the line, which become obvious pretty quickly if you follow those tutorials to the letter. They almost never have the level of contrast that the box art paint jobs do, and some of the colour jumps they suggest with highlights are very jarring.
It’d be awesome if you did this with 2 of the same model, one EXACTLY as they say and then the other with your changes.
Would be a lot of work though
@@VladimirKharchenko I know, I mean if he did that in a day this would be 1 more day but it’d be helpful to see a direct comparison with the same painter doing both.
@@VladimirKharchenko It's literally not that much more work in exchange for content, relax.
@@nameisbad 20 smthng hours of work, not mentioning filming, montage and etc. for little to no additional value, now translate it into a working hours, it'll be another half a week of work at best, and Jon is on schedule, mind that.
@@madsurfr728 I bet he oversimplified it for content purposes, just 5 (or was it 6?) hours of basecoats is a most of workday
Okay most of this video was good criticism except that yeah obviously a video on how the paint the szarekhan dynasty won’t give you the right colors of basecoats for Imotekh because he’s from the sautekh dynasty it’s a completely different color scheme
fwiw, Imotekh isn't from the Szarekhan dynasty, hence why he's not brass on the boxart 👍
Yeah that was a really weird thing to harp on obviously the video won’t give the right basecoat colors it’s a different color scheme
It would be like trying to follow a Salamanders painting guide for Chaplain Grimaldus and complaining it didn't help you.
The Citadel Paints app gives a Chaos black primer, Leadbelcher, White Scar, Retributor armor, Caliban green and Naggaroth night base. Shades are Nuln oil, Biel-Tan green, Agrax Earthshade, Druchii Violet then Steel Legion Drab and Stirland Mud base.
For parade ready, you're told to add highlights with Ironbreaker, White Scar, Skullcrusher Brass, Warpstone Glow and Xereus Purple, and even more highlights with Stormhost Silver, Moot Green and Genestealer Purple.
lmao, yeah. he's with the sautekh dynasty. super nit picky, but i thought it was funny someone else was worried about it
FYI, Imotekh isn't from the Szarekhan Dynasty, he's from Sautekh. which is the OG Necron colour scheme of silver and green. He does throw purple into the mix, with his original model's torso being predominantly purple. I'm kinda tempted to paint mine like that, even if it's just a reason to use the Royal Warden I'd painted like him.
Great tutorial and it really captures the box art. I've changed up my usual Sautekh colour scheme as the new Imotekh seems to have a brown undertone to his silver armour, so I used Agrax instead of thinned Basilicanum.
Inquiring minds- don’t prime necrons in runelord brass. GW makes a rattle can of Leadbelcher that might as well be called “this is the color you use for necrons then coat in nuln oil after. Done”
Agrax Earthshade works as well as Nuln Oil
the Runlord brass primer was for the Szerakahn dynasty guides which arent silver. He's painted a Sautekh character which is the classic Silver necron colour.
@@aliciacarr9014 And is less prone to spilling! >_
@@aliciacarr9014 true
@@RemnentsPaststhe box he’s holding he even says “but why use runelord brass when he’s silver?”
I understand there’s different paint schemes but leadbelcher and shade oil is necrons on easy mode
Paint GW models to bring in the viewers? Check. Talk shit about GW the whole time and use Duncan Paints wherever possible while painting it? Double check. Ninjon knows how to play the game.
To bé franc, it seems to bé hard to find new and original ideas for a vidéo about miniatures or paintjob.
What would you propose if you were a content creator ?
@@khelom tbh though this one seems a bit like content baiting/comment baiting considering some of the complaints
Yeah he's done this painting like boxart thing in like 3 videos now
Considering painting my army like the box art as best I can so this video was super helpful for me
The whole bashing thing is getting really tired, even if on many accounts deserved.
Others have points this out already, but the recent Citadel how-to-paint Necrons videos focus on the Szarekhan Dynasty color scheme which is the current poster Necron sub-faction in GW's marketing materials. The mini Ninjon is painting is the character Imotekh, leader of the Sautekh Dynasty, the poster subfaction prior to WH40k 9th Ed., and in-lore rivals to Szarekhan. That's why GW painted him primarily silver rather than brass.
I appreciate your consistent use of GW color names while incorporating representations of other brands. truly enjoyable
Man, I don't want to sound like that guy, but Imotekh has a different, more silvery paint scheme because he's from a different dynasty, ironically the one that denounces Szarekh and is in civil war against the Szarekhan dynasty.
While still true that GW doesn't typically like to release their actual secret box art recipes, tutorials for Szarekhan necrons shouldn't be expected to work for Sautekh necrons, just like, say, using an Ultramarines tutorial for Space Wolves.
Could you follow the GW instructions to the letter, and do a Ninjon version for a side by side comparison please.
once again Ninjon makes the best instructional videos, and tongue in cheek at the expense of GW - I love it
The washes not staining the whole surface, and mostly shading the recesses is a big plus. And it's hilarious that you complain that the wash is too glossy and them use an acrylic ink to boost the shadows.
yeah the wash part was weird
This video would have supercharged my painting a few years back, I would heartily recommend, you explain how to move up a level in painting so well.
There's that smoke machine you forgot to bring to the last taping of TUP! It looks really slick!
Love the honesty in these. Thank you!
"I'm sure his future TH-cam channel will be great," had me rolling.
ninjon is the hero we all needed.
Absolutely murdered GW at the intro there. I would've included Sugs too just to rub it in more.
To me it is not about the subject matter. Yes, it may be click bait but people need to make a living and you have to pay heed to the algorithm, sadly. I love Ninjon's videos for his underlining information. A great painter using GW to show you how he paints! Smart and great video!
That intro made me laugh harder than I have in a while, thank you
duncan was actually great at teaching how to make the box art simply. when i started, ink, airbrush and contrast were not a thing.
your green underlighting at the end was awesome. loved the green saturation pop from the bottom. Maybe add that to your painting!
In fairness Szerakhan stuff was 9th edition. 10th seems to be more focused on the Sautekh dynasty which is silvery. Imotekh there is Sautekh. Doesn't help them much but it's there for fairness.
The reason he's silver is that hes from a different sub faction of necrons to the video, imotekh is from the Sautekh dynasty which is predominantly silver
Ninjon, your videos, without question, have the best ratio of education to entertainment of any mini channel out there.
*Dies a little each time he says Szarekhan Dynasty while painting the Stormlord* in all seriousness though I enjoyed the video a lot and you made really good choices and I liked the results. Keep rocking it Ninjon
Thus was great, and the wash explanation between the new recipe and old explains why half my marines are so shiny compared to the others 😂
Great video. How About getting 2 models, paint one using the colours and instruction warhammer say, the other using what colours you think they used, such as mixes ? Then compare each to the box art at the end. You could do a split screen so the comparison could be seen as you do it
*Sounds of Imotekh rolling in his hypercasket* Each time you mention he's from the Szarekhan dynasty. 😅😅
I don't do warhammer or miniature painting but I really enjoy your videos, especially the ones where you show us a full painting video of one figure
I've learned more from ninjon, than the back of a box ever taught me.
Except this video is absurd misinformation fed by either ignorance or click bait.
Your intros are still the best.
I love the nod to future GW painters endeavor XD
Corax white is my favourite colour of all brands! How can you not like it?? Such good coverage over dark paints. Its amazing.
Brown bases for life!
this video is a slay of my life.
These box art videos are a great series. Great work
Always love a Friday work day that starts with a Ninjon Video!
Mixing contrast with fluorescent paint? Well there's an idea I'll be trying sooner rather than later
You’re a G Jon. Love your videos!
I think this is the third time I watched a video you made on how GW lies about their process, and I still like it. 😅 I look forward to the next one in the series!
Another excellent ragebait video, you've really figured out the formula for this one. Good work!
More of these vids.😊👍🏽
I followed the Hounds of Morkai paint recipe on the colour app and it was a hard miss match. They show a dark blue gray and mechanicus gray comes out neutral 😅
The only reason that gw wants u to prime the model runelord brass is that the current "Ultramarine" chapter for the necrons is szarekhan dynasty and they are that brass coulour.
I had the same issue painting my nurgle deamons. They say start with zandry dust then shade green. It never looks right so i tried deathguard green then athonian camo shade and got the right color
awesome.
Hey Jon I have a challenge/experiment for you , you being a very talented miniature painter this should be easy. My challenge : pick up a classic kind of Airfix or Revell military model of either 1/72 or 1/48 scale and make something that instead of being a nice artistic interpretation of a thing to make it as photo realistic as humanly possible. It seems to me that many a hobbyists are under the notion that photo realism is unattainable yet the classic modelists have been doing it for decades as what drew me personally into Warhammer 40k for example was my humble classic kind of modeling hobby, and while everything is fine and dandy with being super artsy and solving everything in almost van gogh-ish surreal contrasts overlorded by the color wheel and non metallic metal techniques
Just re-watched the video, as it has a lot of great tips! However, when you show how to "make ypur own" tesseract glow, you only mention the yellow fluorescens paint and striking scorpion green, yet you also show the contrast medium in the frame. Did you forget to mention the contrast medium, or was it in fact not used?
Don't forget that the original picture for the box art is likely heavily tweaked and tuned before heading for the print process.
I love that you drag GW and they keep sending you free stuff.
Hahaha I'm sure his future youtube channel will be great, that was a solid line.
the only real gold joke got me.
Can we just take a minute out of this to appreciate the sick ass display frames at the end? 👀
Aside from their blades, Necrons are easiest models to paint making them a great starter army. Really wished that I liked them
What brand are those wooden display cases at the end. They look great! And your painting too ;)
Great video. Your video quality is so good now. That smoke effect reveal effet *Chefs Kiss.* And somehow your hair has gotten even shinier, must be using new conditioner
The shade at the start lol. Thanks for another great video.
"I'm sure his futuee youtube channel will be great." We call that, a K.O. complete with Street Fighter II knock out scream. 😅
I think this would have been a really good opportunity to introduce basic volumetric lighting from the glow from the weapon, eyes and belt etc :) Just a partial extension to the glow section
I don't paint miniatures any more, haven't done so in around 20 years, but my fridays are always better with a new Ninjon video. Your content is fascinating to watch, your delivery is endearing, and the production level is very professional, so thank you.
Enamel washes seem to be the best approach for necron models.
Can we get an update on the hand-held airbrush that has a battery powered compressor built on?
these new necron models really make me want to start necron army
because the propainters gw use to paint the box , use non citadel colours, but then they have to give directons using only citadel colours
"I'm sure his future youtube channel will be great". Drop Mic. Mind Blown.
Ninjon, I have a TUP subject idea.
Compare Warhammer vs Magic. Magic has FNM and draft nights and this and that. Easy to get into a group and play on a schedule weekly basis.
Why doesn’t GW have an FNM? Sure they do path to glories and stuff but it just doesn’t hit the mark like MTG did for me back in the day.
I used to play magic and loved it. I am trying out warhammer and painting models with the help of TH-camrs, but seems to get into a game at the store I have to awkwardly input myself into a playgroup. I feel if there was a round Robin FNM style weekly event it would benefit the hobbit so much.
Cheers.
Intro owns, 'nuff said.
yo, firstly great video man, i am wondering now if u can make that tesseract glow effect with different colours using a similar method
Jon, Imotekh is not from the Szarekhan dynasty. He's Sautekh, which is the boxart dynasty of pre-9th edition necrons.
Imotekh is watching this video and FREAKING out
Yeah it’s also not even a lore thing. Like, 50 percent of this video is Jon just saying something flat out wrong. “Why does the Szarekhan paint scheme not work for Imotek?” Cause he’s not painted in those colours. “Parade ready is for the armies on parade painting competition” no it isn’t, that’s just overlapping branding.
Ok but Ninjon why are you using a light theme for youtube? Are you ok? Are you safe?
Seriously great video lol
Not all the way done, but Imotekh isn't a Szarekhan necron
I never thought the painting guides they do are to get the box art? more of a make it look fine for playing with
do they show the box art mini at the end of the video and then say it should look like this?
yeah..I don't think they are teaching you how to do an eavy metal paintjob.
Nope, they obviously don't, they show results and it is close enough in terms of scheme, but waaay simpler of course
Ninjon mixing Parade Ready and Eavy Metal and even claiming that Parade Ready is for competition, it's just add highlights to your battle ready mini
To be fair Imotekh isn’t from the Szarekhan dynasty so you wouldn’t use Runelord brass for that. He’s Sautek who are silver.
Getting this Hayden
We’re did you get your wall shelves for your minatures from?
After reading through all the comments I can say with the utmost certainty that Imotekh is from a different dynasty (whatever that means) than the one you said.
6:35 Which is *really* odd, considering they used to actual have a line... of Glazes! O_o It's almost like they just forget more and more of their own product history sometimes.
Whats a silver color form Army painter Or pro acryl I can use.
Consistently great content thanks for this
that frame cut tho xDDDD
There is any valid alternative to Skeletal Horde that is not glossy and does not reactivate like the Army Painter stuff does?
14:35 anyone knows the brand of the display shelves Ninjon uses there?
any idea where to get those model shelves
I think the answer would be: "GW doesn't believe that their customers are that good at painting anyway."
That dry brush you used looks very compact and controllable! Can I plz ask for it's name?!
You sir just got a sub!
Glaze my buns that necron looks good
That intro is an unintended shot at Louise
Reminds me of yiur Death Guard box painting video but more trashing
THAT INTRO xD SAVAGE. I'm ded bro. You've got my money, consider that T-shirt I wanted ordered.
1 yr ago I was a new Warhammer player and new at painting. I paid for the GW painting guide cause I WAS A NECRON PLAYER and I didn’t know that GW was misleading me on how to make my Necron look like the box. I was naive and thought to play the game your miniature had to look like the box. Well I bought runelord brass and was baffled at why there model on the channel was silver.. mine was like brass color. The trauma was so severe that I started knitting and now identify as a squirrel.
Probably because you watched a video about different color scheme, the same mistake as Ninjon, complaining that Szarekhan dynasty doesn't work for Sautekh
Szarekhan are definitely brass and it a lot easier to paint them by priming brass and add silver pauldrons and heads, black for joints and spine
No Tesseract paint? Have you tried the new Pro Acryl flourescent paints instead? I've seen them in my local hobby store...
Imotekh isn't part of the Szarekhan Dynasty, so that's why the colours aren't the same. The other stuff you go through is all good though, but I just thought that needed pointing out.
Very nice paint job dude.
Slight correction: Imotekh is from the Sautekh dynasty (Silver/Leadbelcher), not Szarekhan which is Runelord Brass.
I used to do dark brown base rims. I do black now for my newer armies but I stick to brown for my older ones because I'm not going to redo eighty billion skaven
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
GW doesn’t need to make any painting tutorials for the boxarts, since youtube is overflowing with tutorials to do so since they didn’t make any. A selfsustaining system it seems.