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I have just bought myself, at age 83, my first drill ever (a Ryobi 18V Compact) and I have to learn everything. Now I know what a difference battery size can make. Thank you, Charlie.
@@festivalmama "..But it’s so much faster not to have to drill the hole then go back and put the screw in! " Causes one to wonder how practical is it to drill pilot holes in metal sheets when trying to fasten them on the roof. 1 REPLY
I did some work on a floor where the person who had fixed it before did a right bodge. I piloted all the holes, all measured up nicely, nobody will ever see it but I did it all perfectly. To be fair I wasn’t been paid so time and money wasn’t an issue so I spent time on doing it nicely. Pilot holes are tour friend! Having said that I’ve just bought a Bosch impact driver just to have 🤷♂️👍
A “HOME-RUN” for me when you showed the difference between the 1 and 4 AH batteries. Great video, your time spent preparing the video is well appreciated.
As a single mum with a new born during a pandemic it's so hard trying to fix things. I saw two different cordless drills I wasn't sure which one to get. I had no idea what impact driver was. Thank you...!
I honestly thought the difference in the 1.5 AH and the 4.0 AH was battery life. I had no idea it actually effected the performer of the drill power wise. That’s crazy.
An explanation that I heard before was thinking about lanes on a highway. Would more traffic be able to travel a 2-lane highway or a 4-lane highway? It's the same with the amps on electric devices, or in this case AH of batteries.
Well glad I watched this… whodve thought! I own both ryobi tools and have to say awesome. My only criticism is if anything the impact driver is too powerful and tends to tear into things or rip screw heads off. Now going to use it with one of my smaller batteries to tone its power down a bit plus it’ll b lighter to carry as well. ❤
This is probably one of the most insightful and informative videos I’ve seen. Initially viewed this video to learn about impact drivers but also learned about the importance of power. Well done!
Thanks so much for that, Corey. You might check out this one when you've got a moment. It goes into a bit more detail on the difference between impacts, drill drivers and combis th-cam.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/w-d-xo.html
I had no idea that the actual power force behind these batteries is the biggest difference. I always thought it was how much time you had with these batteries, such as, bigger battery equals longer drill time. Thanks for demonstrating this for us.
Used both types a lot during my 3 years helping build large sets for the school theatre program, nobody would willingly use a drill driver over an impact driver as the feeling of trying to do a lot of work using the drill was miserable. Awesome video!
That's because he didn't show how much more force he had to use with the drill. He would have been using both hands and putting most of his body weight to drive the screw like that with the drill. The impact he could have done with one hand while holding the wood with the other
Finally, a proper video with good description and explanatory advice and guidance on what is what and how works with what. Thank you very much for this video as it is the best I've seen so far, very well explained and good choice of experiments to show what it does in different scenarios. I hope the rest of TH-cam video up-loaders take example on your style and approach to deliver quality videos and explanation. Thank you again Charlie !!!
Well appreciate your sharing your thoughts, experience and knowledge with us. I’m 75 years old have used manual crank drills, electric drills eventually battery powered drills. Today I purchased myself a 18V Impact Drill not that I needed one but learn how to use one. Gain experience and hopefully knowledge that goes along with hands on experience . Your explanation was just what I needed.
Great job explaining the difference between the two! I work for a Home Depot, I get to asked that question all the time what the difference is between the two power tools. Alot my pro customers prefer impact drivers over tradional drivers.For tight spaces and also the quickness of the job being done. I'm glad you like Ryobi tools. All you pros out there, just remember that the Ridgid power tools( another Home Depot exclusive tool.) have the lifetime guarantee with the power tool and the battery just as long as you register it.
Is it true Rigid will only replace the tool once during its lifetime? Once you get a full replacement that tool's warranty is done. I've read online this is the case.
I didn't think I would actually learn anything or find your video interesting, but you taught me several new things! I came into ownership of a drill and a driver and genuinely always regarded them as the same thing, with one just being noisier than the other and having the inconvenience of only accepting hex head bits! I never realised just how different they actually were until now. The battery strength demonstration was quite eye opening too. I only have 4 mAh batteries so I've never come across the power issue you demonstrated but it is great to know. I have no Ryobi tools, but knowing the fact they never change their battery fitment is interesting and will genuinely influence any further power tool purchases I make. Thank you.
Thanks for this info!!! I always thought the difference in batteries was only concerning how long they lasted. This clearly shows the difference in actual power which is very good to know!!!
I love my impact driver, made screwing lag bolts in to wood so much easier. Just so handy. I did have a few accidents, over driving smaller screws in the beginning, getting use to the power.
Thanks mate. You might have a quick look at this for a more comprehensive run through of the difference between drills, drivers and impacts 👍 th-cam.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/w-d-xo.html
There's a lot of tool snobbery out there. If you're using tools on site 8 hours a day 5 days a week I get it that you'd want a top quality brand but even the top brands have dumbed down gearbox quality on some of their lines to better compete on price so it's not always as simple as the tool snobs say. I love my Ryobi stuff. As someone said on this feed recently, they bought Ryobi expecting it to last 6 months, and now have loads of the brand because the tools just go on for ever!
Thank you much for educating us on the different use of drill and impact drivers, the bonus is for knowing the importance of battery power in the performance of the drill.
The trick with Ryobi and other brands of cordless tools is to take advantage of the sales and package deals they offer several times a year, usually coinciding with major holiday periods. The drill and impact drivers are often sold as a set including batteries and a charger, with the price of the set being the normal price of one tool; sometimes you can get a four or five piece set of drill, driver, reciprocating saw, skil-type saw and batteries for substantially less than buying them one at a time. Expensive 4 amp hour batteries are often sold at a two-for-one price during these special sales. There is a real advantage in choosing a brand of tool that shares common batteries among the various tools - choose carefully, it is unlikely that you will change brands later.
And even better is Ryobi hasn't changed batteries since 1996. I think I have a dozen or so batteries now just buying those "special buys". I'll take the better battery, add one of my older or weaker batteries and sell it for half
This is precisely why I will nevet buy another Makita again. After purchasing the drill a few years ago I needed a hammer drill which coincidentally didnt include the new battery for that years line of products. I could no longer ignore that Milwaukee sale for a combination hammer drill/drill driver that came with an impact driver, 2 batteries, and a charging station. All of that combined was still 40% less than the Makita hammer drill, new battery, and necessary charging station for said battery.
I knew the difference between drill drivers and impact drivers but the difference between batteries was VERY informative. I rarely drive fasteners that are an issue but I have used a battery powered impact wrench and been disappointed in its power compared to a pneumatic impact wrench. I am going to try my Ryobi 1/2in impact driver with a larger battery. Great video! Thanks.
Thank you! Great training for me. I bought a set of four DeWalt tools, which includes a Drill Driver and an Impact Driver. Knowing nothing about impact drivers, I haven't used it yet. Now I will use it often. Thanks again!
Thanks for the easy to understand information. I got a kit that had both. I called my dad, he said "you don't need an impact driver" so I called my brother who said " they are almost the same thing, you probably only need the drill for your needs" so when I asked him what kind of thing would I use the impact driver for he said " the same thing". So I asked my neighbor, he said "can I borrow it" and never did figure out what it's exactly for. Until tomorrow found your video. I probably do only need the drill but I still wanted to know what I would use it for. I am not sure why answers for these questions had to be so hard to get.
Getting more and more clever and educated by every video. This was helpful, just bought a drill driver and know the difference now. I wondered about the other and what it was for.
Thanks for showing this. Started DIY on lockdown without a clue what I was doing. Finally getting around to mounting floating shelves. Also, you should think about instructing others as a job; most people have no clue how to explain the difference
Thank you for this demo Charlie. I, too, found the Amp/hour issue unintuitive. Like others, I previously thought A/h referred solely to battery running time. However, I came across an article over at Protool reviews which confirmed your advocacy of higher-rated A/h on grounds of sheer power delivery. After documenting their testing methodology, their conclusion was as follows: "Now that we know how significantly battery amp hours affect power, the application side is pretty straightforward. In lighter-duty tasks, a bigger battery doesn’t have a huge advantage, so save some weight and go with the smaller pack. As you move into medium and heavy-duty applications, the difference [in power delivery] is substantial and a higher capacity battery is the way to go".
Like many others here, I didn't fully realise that the "ah" wasn't just about how much juice is in the tank, but the power of the juice also... Thank you!! 😀😀👍👍
You multiply volts by amps to get watts which is the actual work that can be done if all the capacity is mobilised. 18v x 1.3 amps = 23.5 watts of work. 18v x 4 amps is 72 watts of work. They will spin at the same speed, but one will need almost 4 times the effort to stop!
@@numeristatech To be precise, watts measure power, not work - work is measured in joules. Watthours, on the other hands, are defining work, as work equals power multiplied by time
It's not. Amps is the measure of electrons per time, so Amp-Hours is the measure of electrons in total (total storage). While a Ryobi 5Ah battery may be able to deliver more current than a Ryobi 2Ah battery (I don't think this is true), the "Ah" isn't what gives that. So more amps (not Amp Hours!) means more electrons per second. Typically batteries can supply a LOT of amps, so it's not the bottleneck. The other number is Watts, which is the volts * amps, which is a measure of power.
You're welcome Peter. Take a look at this one too if you have a moment, as it's a bit more in depth on the difference between a drill driver, combi and impact th-cam.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/w-d-xo.html
I have several of each, and most of the time I prefer the drills for screwing into light wood or laminate because you've got more control. For tightening bolts through metal however (especially through a nut), having the vibration is key. For hard or very deep wood, a tiny pilot hole followed by a drill is going to make the cleanest result, but a strong impact can save you time and like the guy said, be easier to do.
Can you help me? I want to put this solar light on my house it has metal siding ... will a regular drill work? That’s what I have.. or do I have to get a impact driver? And if so how do I know which drill bit to use to drill thru metal siding ?
Your information on battery size has proved invaluable to me and I am so grateful. What a huge difference this has made to my DIY work so thanks again.
Your video is very helpful. I am thinking to buy drill/driver and impact driver and have no idea how to choose them. Your video explains it well and demonstrate the difference between drill driver and impact driver, and also excellent demonstration of the difference of the battery. Thank you so much!
The problem with 1.3 Ah batts is it’s just 5 cells in series. They still use excellent 10-15C cells so they can still deliver 20 amps for very short periods of time. Compare that to a 4Ah cell which would use the same cells but 15 cells so three in parallel will deliver 3x as much current. So 60amps peak and probably 20 amps continuous. Ryobi uses high quality cells in all their batteries. I know - I’ve pulled one of the small ones apart and from memory theu were Sansung high current cells.
MondoTV Thanks for that - makes a lot of sense and is one of the most constructive, intelligent comments I've had and a breath of fresh air compared to the usual "Ryobi are sh1t - stop buying toy tools and get yourself a Milwaukee" or similar, from people who think they know what they're talking about but actually don't have a clue.
Ok - never pulled one of the big ones apart but makes sense - same principle though - the higher capacity batts in parallel will have a much higher continuous discharge rate.
Given 10C cells, those 4AH batteries probably do 40A pretty comfortable. Probably deliver as much continuous as those crappy 1.3AH can in pulse. Its no wonder they totally crush them.
you can also buy very powerfull 25A or even 30A 18650 cells (LG H2 ? or so) and swap them.. would deliver.. 200A .. which is a bit crazy ;) .. anyone tried yet ?!
Great demo. One correction: the higher amp hour rating doesn’t make the battery anymore powerful, it simply means it will last longer than a battery with a lower amp hour rating under similar load/current draw. A 5 Ah battery has enough charge to output 5 amps of current for 1 hour before going dead. For more power (in the technical sense of the word), you’d need a higher voltage battery. A 24V drill will be more powerful than a 12V drill. Putting a longer lasting high amp hour 12V battery on a 12V drill will not make it more powerful than the 24V drill. Fully charged, similarly aged batteries of similar voltage are important for a good comparison though to ensure they both have the same “potential” (voltage) and can output the same power under similar current draw demands.
Thanks Charlie, my cheap B&Q combi drill finally packed up after 15 years, it took a battering to be fair. Ordering a new one today with 2 batteries. Great to learn and see the difference with an impact driver! Cheers
@@CharlieDIYte had a quick look online and got a Mac Allister 14.4v on sale. Probably not the best, but should be good enough for my DIY projects. Comes with 2 batteries which should be handy - I had to keep charging the old drill every time I put the kettle on was cutting wood 😂
It's actually 18V, seems great so far. Fired in floorboard screws reasonably flush and able charge one while using the other is great 😊 not bad for just over £40
I used to think an impact driver was only for roof screws and a drill driver was for everything else. But since I got an impact driver in a multi tool kit in 2012 I've found that there are lots of bits available in hex shank and that an impact driver is super capable even when drilling wood or metal as long as I have a suitable bit. Nowadays I rarely use my drill at work. So much so that my old cordless drill is hard to find in my van because it's been in disuse for so long that it has vanished.
Thank you. Wow, never realised how important the battery is. And, like you, was very surprised how well the Drill with the big battery faired. Just bought, today, a Ryobi Impact driver,will try it out tomorrow. Very informative video.
Thanks. Yes the batteries are so important. I don't use those 2Ah any more, just 4 and 5Ah. My choice tool though these days is a light 12v drill driver and I use an SDS for heavy drilling into concrete as the hammer action on a combi drill is hopeless for brickwork.
im surprised by the difference of a bigger battery i may need to look into getting a huge battery for my drill and impact drivers. currently both are running on 1.6ah thanks for the video. very informative.
The bigger battery may be generating more power for you, but the 4 Ah doesn't mean what you say it means. It's simply a unit of total charge stored in the battery. If it is discharging at an average rate of 1 amp per hour it can do so for 4 hours, it is a 4 Ah battery. It's a capacity unit not a unit of instantaneous energy delivery.
Wonderful explanation, of drills and battery. So much confusion and marketing in selling products and not enough real world knowledge of how tools will perform, thank you.
Thank you! I bought the Ryobi tool set, Drill Driver, Impact Driver, Recirpocating saw, Circular saw. I tried drilling screws into wood on a bridge with the drill driver with the 4 ah battery. It was a challenge to say the least. I didnt finish the job yet. Your video explained issues. I will attempt agian with the Impact driver and 4 ah battery. Your a life saver!
Thanks, that was helpful! Sounds like an impact driver is really worth the investment. I’m building a rock climbing wall, which requires hundreds of screws to keep the plywood in place. I’m getting an impact driver now to make the rest of my day a lot easier!
can confirm, impact drivers are the way to go for climbing walls. Talk to any route setter at any climbing gym about what they use and i'm sure just about every one of them uses an impact driver. Also the use of an impact driver will help to prevent over tightening of the screws so you won't crack the holds on the wall if you drill them in too much
my dad and i have this discussion all the time. We work together, and he always goes for the drill, for pretty much any situation. When he uses the impact driver, he always strips screw heads, or over-sinks screws, etc ...he just can not seem to grasp the trigger technique required ... he just squeezes the hell out of it, and can not seem to stop. Drives me crazy, lol. I personally only use drills when i have to (for actual drilling of holes), and have been in love with my impact driver ever since i first tried it.
Excellent explanations. This video is the first to help me understand the difference between the Impact and Drill Driver. And the battery tip is icing on the cake. Thank you.
I use an old trick, I keep a bar of soap in my tool box. Just one quick rub of the screw, across the soap, enables me to drive any length screw with my drill-driver. However, I only use 'Robertson' screws (square head), because there's much less likely to slip than other types of screws.
I'm with you on the screws. I was taking off the siding on a hot tub a while back and they used flathead and Phillips. Both of those need to die. How many times have you stripped a Phillips or destroyed the tip of the bit? And has anyone successfully unscrewed a flathead without the bit sliding out? I use torx screw but only because the store I get my stuff from has them cheaper. Torx and square are the way to go.
Thanks for that! I'll be posting another video in a week or two explaining the difference between drill drivers, combi drivers and impact drivers so keep an eye out for that!
First, i love your British accent. I am a tiny woman who loves DIY. This morning i was trying to drill a hole in a tree stump that i want to remove. My silly low powered drill driver couldn't even scratch the surface. Then i when i went shopping i found all these drills that i had no idea what they all did. Thank you for helping me out. I wish you lived closer. I would knock on your door all the time.
G’day that was brilliant I’ve just started buying cordless have gone with ozito brand popular entry level here in Australia I knew the difference between impact driver and the drill but knew nothing about batteries love your style and presentation thank you
Interesting point about the batteries, However Amp Hour (Ah) is a measure of capacity not capability, Amps is the measure of capability (not same as Ah which is printed on the battery, for instance a 18v drill battery is probably outputting over 10 to 12 Amps under load), obviously the higher Ah batteries have more cells in parallel so can delivery higher Amps, which Ryobi seems to have omitted to mention definitely something worth considering at least with Ryobi tools, I've never noticed any difference with my Makita 1.3Ah vrs 3Ah batteries torque wise, but it's not running on Li-Ion either.
Exactly my thoughts! Lithium cells have other specs apart from capacity. The most useful is the amps they can provide compared to their capacity. Apparently ryobi uses cells with lower output in their 1.3 Ah batteries and higher quality cells with their 4 or 5 Ah batteties. If they used the same cells there wouldn't be a difference in their ability to drive a screw. One should also consider the possibility that one of the cells is damaged in the small battery due to age or overuse.
I was thinking about this earlier, and wondering if they use just 5 cells 5S to achieve the 18v with low C output, where with the larger capacity batteries using 10 cells 5S so upping the amps?
Jer Goes you are probably right regarding the cell configuration. Apparently the C output of each cell is lower than the motor's max amperage under load. On the other hand makita is probably using cells that can cover the motor's needs even under maximum load. Of course, one thing to consider is that Ni-mh cells -even the cheaper ones with low capacity -can generally deliver more amps than lithium cells. BTW loved the video. It is useful to see tools being tested under real-life conditions. We now need a video with a teardown of these batteries so we can see the cell's specs and configuration! I will surely open my ryobi 1.3 cell and let you know.
Jer, most of us already know that and consider it bone headed to give a lecture on batteries every time we just want to acknowledge that the higher Ah packs have more capability.
Well tbh if the wood is really hard to screw into, you should drill a small hole first, benefits are it's easier to then screw into and it reduces the chance for the wood to crack
""I'm going to show you how much better the impact driver is that a standard drill. Both using 4.0 Ah batteries. Standard: Screw goes right in. Impact: Screw goes right in. "Well, the drill did just as good... impressive. Now! Let me show you the 1.3 Ah battery! Here's where the impact shines..." Standard: Dies 2/3s of the way in. "See? It just stops moving, entirely." Impact: Dies 2/3s of the way in. "See? The small battery just isn't strong enough." Finishes with a 4.0 Ah. "See? The impact driver ran it right in!"
Lol I thought the same honestly. But the point he was trying to make (which can't be seen in the video) is that he didn't have to apply as much pressure on the impact drill as he did with the standard drill.
I came here for the first time, and have subscribed. I was quite confused between the two, turned out you gave bonus about the battery which I was not aware off at all. So from my side super super super like for this video. Love from Pakistan.
Thanks so much for subscribing, and I'm humbled that my message has reached you in Pakistan 👍👏 There's also a video here th-cam.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/w-d-xo.html where I go into more detail of the difference between a drill driver, combi and impact, if you have a moment to watch. Thanks again
You've used a phillips driver on a pozidriv screw which will make it cam out. See the little diagonal markings around the head? If you drilled a pilot hole you would get by with a drill driver
I’m a recent subscriber. Thanks for a great channel. I have the same two Ryobi tools (plus a circular saw and two small batteries - all bought at a kit in a bag) and I use all of them a lot, but have been humming and hawing about a bigger battery - expensive at £75. You’ve convinced me it’s worth the cost. Thank you for a very good and instructional video. Les
Charlie, thank you for explaining the differences between the drill driver and the impact driver. I'm relatively new to DIY and it's the best video I've seen on the subject. The explanation and the demonstration together "drives" the point home for me! Thanks again Charlie and I have subscribed.
If you have ever tried to drill a hole in masonry brick, you will love an impact driver: worth their weight in masonry bits you burn up trying to drill with a standard drill.
I've been searching through the comments for 10 minutes now trying to figure out what that wood sander machine was, even checked the drop-down area with links. So Critical and crucial this was sad NOT to have and NOT being in any of the information given it's straight womp womp womp failure financially excetera. I gave a thumbs down and I'm subscribed period! because I lost minutes in my life and I'm now back on Google when this guy should have just introduced every tool being used such as He did.... except for the one that turned that nasty piece of wood into a gorgeous unicorn. #wantsomegetsome #Ryobi
Good video. Answers some good questions. Maybe in another video sometime, something on Phillips bits with Phillips screws versus some of the other bit-and-screw variations that are available e.g. Pozidriv, so that so much downforce on the tool is not needed to prevent "cam out" of the bit. (Phillips was designed for the bit to cam out before stripping out the sheet metal, or breaking off the screw head in thick metal, in installing a part in auto assembly plant operations.) Also, I often drill pilot holes so that I don't break off screws trying to get them to go all of the way, or so that I don't experience cam out of the Phillips bit before getting them to go all of the way, For me, this saves time in the long run and I have no information that the holding ability of the driven screw is diminished.
I was a faithful user of another brand for years. When I chose to add another tool, they had changed the battery connector. I returned that product to the store. I went to a different store and purchased my first Ryobi. That was nearly 20 years ago. I've added a number of other tools since that first and only one has actually worn out. A few years ago, I added an impact driver. Not only is is faster, but I find that I can drive more screws per battery charge than I could with the drill/driver.
I'm just starting to build my power tool collection and I have the Dewalt set of drill/driver and impact driver. I had no appreciation for the differences between the two. This video was excellent at explaining the differences between the two drivers PLUS the impact (no pun intended) of using different size batteries. THANK YOU so much for the easy to understand lesson & demo!!
A drop of nearly any sort of lubricant on the thread will help driving long screws. It will also help save the screw head and driver bit from getting damaged.
Having seen the cordless drill driver do the same thing as the impact, I won't be needing an impact driver. I use an Erbauer 18v cordless drill driver and it's served me well. The only thing I'll be changing is the type of drive on longer screws to torx. I'm not taking away the capability of impacts, it's just that my cordless drill does me fine. Happy Holidays! 👍 🇬🇧
To each his own.. I've managed quite adequately (as a DIY'er) with just a drill driver but after seeing this I could have saved so much time and effort over the years. Besides I so need a new toy. Cheers mate, and a very merry Christmas to you too.
if youve never had an impact i would recommend it. i even use my impact for a drill half the time it will never stick drilling steel.. heck i even have a jacobs drill chuck for impact... usually keep my countersink bit in it.. also mechanic'n i keep the 3/8 & 1/4 adapter bit for sockets with the most used socket on an it makes dissasembly of parts use far less cuss words not to mention light years quicker... i get using a good drill for carpentry, but the impact is wat i was introduced to when i started metal roofing... those rubber washers cant be smashed and with an impact you have control to slow down the drive speed when the screw is almost there.. hitachi makita or milwaukee. no point in buying anything else unless really...
Well explained! I upgraded to a Bosch 4AH drill, driver, and reciprocating saw last year and was amazed at the difference in power and how long between charging batteries!
From my experience(as an aircraft mechanic on MD-11's) with impact vs Drill drivers is as follows: If you want to install a screw so it can be removed again, use a drill (with appropriate clutch setting). If you want to remove a screw and have it be useable again, use the impact driver. If you want to destroy the screws/what you are trying to work on, do the opposite. (Drills are fantastic at rounding out screw heads, and impact drivers will simply drive screws in so hard it can actually damage the structure you want to screw into. Gross oversimplification of sorts, and not at all addressing the operational differences between the two systems, but whatever, I'm tired.
"If you want to install a screw so it can be removed again, use a drill " "Drills are fantastic at rounding out screw heads", Ain't both of these statements a bit contradictory ?? if drills make screw heads rounded out then one shouldn't use drill if he wants to be able to remove the screw too.
@@irtzashahanpk it sounds slightly contradictory, but it really isn't if you have experience in the field the way I do. The drill provides a semi constant force to move a screw (clutch notwithstanding) when putting a screw in, this is fine and good, the screw will move freely until it goes all the way in. When removing screws, however, this works against you, as you are trying to take the stuck screw and make it turn. The constant pressure makes it so that if the drill slips in the head of a Phillips head screw, the bit will keep spinning quickly rounding out the head quite fast. The impact on the other hand provides bursts of high torque impulses, which are more likely to break screws loose without destroying the screw head the way a drill will. I know it may sound confusing, but I spent four years doing panels for heavy maintenance at a MRO in San Antonio working MD-11's. What I said really does work.
I've stripped the heads of MANY star drive deck screws. Same with square drive, allen heads, self tappers, phillips or slot heads, all can strip out. Where the star excels is removing the screw when you've over driven it and there has been enough time for the wood to swell around it. But yeah, now that I re-read what you actually wrote...That's very true.
Yes, the shall batteries are great for every day jobs to keep the tool light but for power intensive work you really need a 4 or 5Ah battery in your collection. 👍🏻
i only use Ryobi tools...and only an impact driver...great price and takes a hell of a beating....and they do not walk off the job site as much as dewalt does
Beer lover Couldn't agree more mate - and something the tool snobs should take heed of. You see ridiculous videos on TH-cam where they connect a Milwaukee to a Ryobi and wait for it to start smoking - these tests have no bearing on the ability of these tools day to day on site - and I've got to say, they've never let me down yet! Bought myself one of these recently goo.gl/rhZhs7 - been a revelation for clearing dusty work benches, de-sawdusting circular saws, and of course the garden path!
I own the same Ryobi drill/driver and, fortunately, my neighbor moved and left a few tools behind, so I now own a perfectly good DeWalt impact driver. Now I know the differences. lol (I didn't even know it was an impact driver.) Thank you so much for the video! Subscribed!
"Ah" is the amount of charge stored in battery, ie capacity, has nothing to do with the power (=Watts=Energy delivered per unit time = Current x Voltage). Given that both low and high capacity batteries are rated with the same voltage, 18V, then the high-capacity battery must be delivering a higher current (Amperes) than the other for it to be more powerful. My guess would be that more batteries are connected in parallel to deliver a bigger current as also pointed out by others.
You’re wrong. Watts is power. Correct, but W=VA so the amount of Amps a battery can deliver is directly related to its power. And the amount of Amps it can deliver is also related to it’s capacity. It’s weird how some people just don’t get it. Try this - put two identical batteries in parallel and in series. Do the math - they both deliver the same amount of power. So if you have 5 batteries in series as per the power drill if you add another 5 in parallel you no only have twice the capacity but twice the amount of Watts. Go and look at a battery datasheet. Nearly always power will be given in terms of C(apacity) sometimes both continuous and peak.
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Milwaukee best impact followed by dewalt, ridged, makita and Bosch. I laugh at ryobi but it's better than black and decker.
One goes weeeerrrrr the other goer berrrrrrr.
You’re welcome
Thats all I needed to know, thanks.
the one thats goes berrrrt lets me pretend im in an A10 firing away
HAHAHAHA!! very good!!!!! :D
you're a genius! and funny too. Thanks.
Superb thought...😀😀😀
I have just bought myself, at age 83, my first drill ever (a Ryobi 18V Compact) and I have to learn everything. Now I know what a difference battery size can make. Thank you, Charlie.
Drill: Go in there please
Driver: I wasn't asking
Low-key funny af
Actually loled at that
😂😂😂😂😂
So funny !!
Pilot holes are our friends. Makes life both easier for drilling but also prevents broken bits/screws and split wood.
Especially with Phillips screws
But it’s so much faster not to have to drill the hole then go back and put the screw in!
@@festivalmama "..But it’s so much faster not to have to drill the hole then go back and put the screw in!
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Causes one to wonder how practical is it to drill pilot holes in metal sheets when trying to fasten them on the roof.
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I did some work on a floor where the person who had fixed it before did a right bodge. I piloted all the holes, all measured up nicely, nobody will ever see it but I did it all perfectly. To be fair I wasn’t been paid so time and money wasn’t an issue so I spent time on doing it nicely. Pilot holes are tour friend! Having said that I’ve just bought a Bosch impact driver just to have 🤷♂️👍
So have the two drills handy. You avoid the frustration of snapped heads and stuff.
A “HOME-RUN” for me when you showed the difference between the 1 and 4 AH batteries. Great video, your time spent preparing the video is well appreciated.
It was in point of FACT, a very one-sided, STUPID video.
As a single mum with a new born during a pandemic it's so hard trying to fix things. I saw two different cordless drills I wasn't sure which one to get. I had no idea what impact driver was. Thank you...!
Gosh, hope you're doing ok. This video might help you also bit.ly/3sxpfw5 Take care 👍🏻
I know this was 2 years ago but KUDOS to you for DIY your life. I love my Ryobi tools!
i came here to watch the difference between drill and impact drivers and learnt the difference between 1 Ah and 4 Ah batteries instead :D
I know. Sorry about that. This video sets out the difference more clearly th-cam.com/video/sL-t2Zc4wCs/w-d-xo.html
It wasn’t instead of but as well as!
I honestly thought the difference in the 1.5 AH and the 4.0 AH was battery life. I had no idea it actually effected the performer of the drill power wise. That’s crazy.
An explanation that I heard before was thinking about lanes on a highway. Would more traffic be able to travel a 2-lane highway or a 4-lane highway? It's the same with the amps on electric devices, or in this case AH of batteries.
it doesnt you can adjust the drill driver to output more torque thats what the numbers on the drill are for i never had any problems with my ryobi
Well glad I watched this… whodve thought! I own both ryobi tools and have to say awesome. My only criticism is if anything the impact driver is too powerful and tends to tear into things or rip screw heads off. Now going to use it with one of my smaller batteries to tone its power down a bit plus it’ll b lighter to carry as well. ❤
Good thinking Batman, I've ruined quite a few screw heads with my 5ah @@IsNotAlways
More amps = more power / More amp hours = more battery capacity
Algorithm has been trying to get me to watch this for a few weeks now. Today I'm giving in.
I'm sorry about that. Hope you find it a little bit useful.. 🤔
Thank you TH-cam algorithm
Charlie DIYte your profile pic looks like Tom from MySpace lol. Is that intentional?
This is probably one of the most insightful and informative videos I’ve seen. Initially viewed this video to learn about impact drivers but also learned about the importance of power. Well done!
Thanks so much for that, Corey. You might check out this one when you've got a moment. It goes into a bit more detail on the difference between impacts, drill drivers and combis th-cam.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/w-d-xo.html
I had no idea that the actual power force behind these batteries is the biggest difference. I always thought it was how much time you had with these batteries, such as, bigger battery equals longer drill time. Thanks for demonstrating this for us.
Used both types a lot during my 3 years helping build large sets for the school theatre program, nobody would willingly use a drill driver over an impact driver as the feeling of trying to do a lot of work using the drill was miserable. Awesome video!
Came to learn about diff between the drivers, learnt about batteries instead
😂😂
Me too
That's because he didn't show how much more force he had to use with the drill. He would have been using both hands and putting most of his body weight to drive the screw like that with the drill. The impact he could have done with one hand while holding the wood with the other
I'd have to argue, that's your fault.
Lots of good info!
Finally, a proper video with good description and explanatory advice and guidance on what is what and how works with what. Thank you very much for this video as it is the best I've seen so far, very well explained and good choice of experiments to show what it does in different scenarios.
I hope the rest of TH-cam video up-loaders take example on your style and approach to deliver quality videos and explanation.
Thank you again Charlie !!!
You're very welcome, mate. Thanks for taking the time to comment - I really appreciate it! 👍
Well appreciate your sharing your thoughts, experience and knowledge with us. I’m 75 years old have used manual crank drills, electric drills eventually battery powered drills.
Today I purchased myself a 18V Impact Drill not that I needed one but learn how to use one. Gain experience and hopefully knowledge that goes along with hands on experience . Your explanation was just what I needed.
Did not realize the battery made such a huge difference, thanks
Great job explaining the difference between the two! I work for a Home Depot, I get to asked that question all the time what the difference is between the two power tools. Alot my pro customers prefer impact drivers over tradional drivers.For tight spaces and also the quickness of the job being done. I'm glad you like Ryobi tools. All you pros out there, just remember that the Ridgid power tools( another Home Depot exclusive tool.) have the lifetime guarantee with the power tool and the battery just as long as you register it.
Is it true Rigid will only replace the tool once during its lifetime? Once you get a full replacement that tool's warranty is done. I've read online this is the case.
For anyone wanting an amazing tool I would highly recommend GenScrew's electric screwdriver kit. It is an actual godsend: genscrew.com/kit
Drill: making holes
Impact: driving screws
This is the best tl;dr explanation.
Never realised the size of batteries made so much difference, I always though size equalled how long they would last.
(ah-hem) Size and stamina are definitely two different things...
It does mainly affect that, but it also affects the maximum amount of current that the battery can deliver
I dont think that he explained that the maximum amp of the smaller battery is smaller
same here.
It affects both.
I didn't think I would actually learn anything or find your video interesting, but you taught me several new things! I came into ownership of a drill and a driver and genuinely always regarded them as the same thing, with one just being noisier than the other and having the inconvenience of only accepting hex head bits! I never realised just how different they actually were until now. The battery strength demonstration was quite eye opening too. I only have 4 mAh batteries so I've never come across the power issue you demonstrated but it is great to know. I have no Ryobi tools, but knowing the fact they never change their battery fitment is interesting and will genuinely influence any further power tool purchases I make. Thank you.
Thanks for this info!!! I always thought the difference in batteries was only concerning how long they lasted. This clearly shows the difference in actual power which is very good to know!!!
Yep and higher powered batteries are way more expensive. Nearly $200 for a 9.0ah. That's more than most of the tools they sell.
it doesnt you can adjust the drill driver to output more torque thats what the numbers on the drill are for i never had any problems with my ryobi
I love my impact driver, made screwing lag bolts in to wood so much easier. Just so handy. I did have a few accidents, over driving smaller screws in the beginning, getting use to the power.
Gordon Ramsay of power tools :) Thank really good info on drill drivers!
Thanks mate. You might have a quick look at this for a more comprehensive run through of the difference between drills, drivers and impacts 👍 th-cam.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/w-d-xo.html
Just bought a Ryobi tool set. It's amazing despite people saying it's a bad tool brand. Ryobi has certainly improved in quality in recent years. 👌
Ryobi is not a bad brand at all.. I use them and I see quite a few ryobi tools on job sites that contractors use as well.
That's fine. As long as I'm a serious DIY type of guy, I'm okay with it.
There's a lot of tool snobbery out there. If you're using tools on site 8 hours a day 5 days a week I get it that you'd want a top quality brand but even the top brands have dumbed down gearbox quality on some of their lines to better compete on price so it's not always as simple as the tool snobs say. I love my Ryobi stuff. As someone said on this feed recently, they bought Ryobi expecting it to last 6 months, and now have loads of the brand because the tools just go on for ever!
Thank you much for educating us on the different use of drill and impact drivers, the bonus is for knowing the importance of battery power in the performance of the drill.
The trick with Ryobi and other brands of cordless tools is to take advantage of the sales and package deals they offer several times a year, usually coinciding with major holiday periods. The drill and impact drivers are often sold as a set including batteries and a charger, with the price of the set being the normal price of one tool; sometimes you can get a four or five piece set of drill, driver, reciprocating saw, skil-type saw and batteries for substantially less than buying them one at a time. Expensive 4 amp hour batteries are often sold at a two-for-one price during these special sales. There is a real advantage in choosing a brand of tool that shares common batteries among the various tools - choose carefully, it is unlikely that you will change brands later.
And even better is Ryobi hasn't changed batteries since 1996. I think I have a dozen or so batteries now just buying those "special buys". I'll take the better battery, add one of my older or weaker batteries and sell it for half
DeWalt is for supervisors, ryobi is for children
I feel like that statement makes about half as much sense as you think it does...
@@chrisapplewhite6660 everyone knows supervisors dont do a damn thing
This is precisely why I will nevet buy another Makita again. After purchasing the drill a few years ago I needed a hammer drill which coincidentally didnt include the new battery for that years line of products.
I could no longer ignore that Milwaukee sale for a combination hammer drill/drill driver that came with an impact driver, 2 batteries, and a charging station. All of that combined was still 40% less than the Makita hammer drill, new battery, and necessary charging station for said battery.
I watched this a long while back and remembered something being said about the batteries. I've now watched this again and totally get it.
I knew the difference between drill drivers and impact drivers but the difference between batteries was VERY informative. I rarely drive fasteners that are an issue but I have used a battery powered impact wrench and been disappointed in its power compared to a pneumatic impact wrench. I am going to try my Ryobi 1/2in impact driver with a larger battery. Great video! Thanks.
Thanks John. Yes, I'm sure that'll make a difference. 👍
Thank you! Great training for me. I bought a set of four DeWalt tools, which includes a Drill Driver and an Impact Driver. Knowing nothing about impact drivers, I haven't used it yet. Now I will use it often. Thanks again!
Thanks for the easy to understand information. I got a kit that had both. I called my dad, he said "you don't need an impact driver" so I called my brother who said " they are almost the same thing, you probably only need the drill for your needs" so when I asked him what kind of thing would I use the impact driver for he said " the same thing". So I asked my neighbor, he said "can I borrow it" and never did figure out what it's exactly for. Until tomorrow found your video. I probably do only need the drill but I still wanted to know what I would use it for. I am not sure why answers for these questions had to be so hard to get.
Well back in the day you had to friend someone and then hope to get an answer
Getting more and more clever and educated by every video. This was helpful, just bought a drill driver and know the difference now. I wondered about the other and what it was for.
Thanks for showing this. Started DIY on lockdown without a clue what I was doing. Finally getting around to mounting floating shelves. Also, you should think about instructing others as a job; most people have no clue how to explain the difference
erm he is doing it as a job... who’s video did you just watch?! 😉
Thank you for this demo Charlie. I, too, found the Amp/hour issue unintuitive. Like others, I previously thought A/h referred solely to battery running time. However, I came across an article over at Protool reviews which confirmed your advocacy of higher-rated A/h on grounds of sheer power delivery. After documenting their testing methodology, their conclusion was as follows:
"Now that we know how significantly battery amp hours affect power, the application side is pretty straightforward. In lighter-duty tasks, a bigger battery doesn’t have a huge advantage, so save some weight and go with the smaller pack. As you move into medium and heavy-duty applications, the difference [in power delivery] is substantial and a higher capacity battery is the way to go".
Thanks buddy. Exactly my thoughts. There's a very long comment feed in the comments section below the vid with some really useful insight into this. 👊
5:58 man that's a lot of British really fast...
Like many others here, I didn't fully realise that the "ah" wasn't just about how much juice is in the tank, but the power of the juice also... Thank you!! 😀😀👍👍
You multiply volts by amps to get watts which is the actual work that can be done if all the capacity is mobilised. 18v x 1.3 amps = 23.5 watts of work. 18v x 4 amps is 72 watts of work. They will spin at the same speed, but one will need almost 4 times the effort to stop!
@@numeristatech To be precise, watts measure power, not work - work is measured in joules. Watthours, on the other hands, are defining work, as work equals power multiplied by time
It's not. Amps is the measure of electrons per time, so Amp-Hours is the measure of electrons in total (total storage). While a Ryobi 5Ah battery may be able to deliver more current than a Ryobi 2Ah battery (I don't think this is true), the "Ah" isn't what gives that. So more amps (not Amp Hours!) means more electrons per second. Typically batteries can supply a LOT of amps, so it's not the bottleneck. The other number is Watts, which is the volts * amps, which is a measure of power.
Thank you so much. I have been looking to buy a drill and couldn't really know what to go for. You just made things easy for me now.
You're welcome Peter. Take a look at this one too if you have a moment, as it's a bit more in depth on the difference between a drill driver, combi and impact th-cam.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/w-d-xo.html
Fantastic video! One of the most useful when deciding what to buy and why battery matters!
I have several of each, and most of the time I prefer the drills for screwing into light wood or laminate because you've got more control. For tightening bolts through metal however (especially through a nut), having the vibration is key. For hard or very deep wood, a tiny pilot hole followed by a drill is going to make the cleanest result, but a strong impact can save you time and like the guy said, be easier to do.
Can you help me? I want to put this solar light on my house it has metal siding ... will a regular drill work? That’s what I have.. or do I have to get a impact driver? And if so how do I know which drill bit to use to drill thru metal siding ?
Why not just use an impact driver for everything
Your information on battery size has proved invaluable to me and I am so grateful. What a huge difference this has made to my DIY work so thanks again.
Thanks Gareth. Glad to hear it. Here's another vid you might find useful th-cam.com/video/sL-t2Zc4wCs/w-d-xo.html 👍🏻
Me at start of video: hmm why such long video for such small topic.
Me at end: ah, didn't even realize 13+ min passed!
Appreciate you watching it to the end 👍🏻
Finally a video that explains the difference perfectly, with the added bonus of the info on the batteries
Your video is very helpful. I am thinking to buy drill/driver and impact driver and have no idea how to choose them. Your video explains it well and demonstrate the difference between drill driver and impact driver, and also excellent demonstration of the difference of the battery. Thank you so much!
The problem with 1.3 Ah batts is it’s just 5 cells in series. They still use excellent 10-15C cells so they can still deliver 20 amps for very short periods of time. Compare that to a 4Ah cell which would use the same cells but 15 cells so three in parallel will deliver 3x as much current. So 60amps peak and probably 20 amps continuous. Ryobi uses high quality cells in all their batteries. I know - I’ve pulled one of the small ones apart and from memory theu were Sansung high current cells.
MondoTV Thanks for that - makes a lot of sense and is one of the most constructive, intelligent comments I've had and a breath of fresh air compared to the usual "Ryobi are sh1t - stop buying toy tools and get yourself a Milwaukee" or similar, from people who think they know what they're talking about but actually don't have a clue.
Ok - never pulled one of the big ones apart but makes sense - same principle though - the higher capacity batts in parallel will have a much higher continuous discharge rate.
Given 10C cells, those 4AH batteries probably do 40A pretty comfortable. Probably deliver as much continuous as those crappy 1.3AH can in pulse. Its no wonder they totally crush them.
exactly
you can also buy very powerfull 25A or even 30A 18650 cells (LG H2 ? or so) and swap them.. would deliver.. 200A .. which is a bit crazy ;) .. anyone tried yet ?!
Great demo. One correction: the higher amp hour rating doesn’t make the battery anymore powerful, it simply means it will last longer than a battery with a lower amp hour rating under similar load/current draw. A 5 Ah battery has enough charge to output 5 amps of current for 1 hour before going dead. For more power (in the technical sense of the word), you’d need a higher voltage battery. A 24V drill will be more powerful than a 12V drill. Putting a longer lasting high amp hour 12V battery on a 12V drill will not make it more powerful than the 24V drill. Fully charged, similarly aged batteries of similar voltage are important for a good comparison though to ensure they both have the same “potential” (voltage) and can output the same power under similar current draw demands.
At last, someone who knows what he is talking about, and knows how to explain it to dumbnuts like me. Thank you.
then what is the reason for the difference between the two batteries in performance observed in this video?
Thanks Charlie, my cheap B&Q combi drill finally packed up after 15 years, it took a battering to be fair. Ordering a new one today with 2 batteries. Great to learn and see the difference with an impact driver! Cheers
Good work. You got some good use out of that cheap one. What have you gone with for the new one?
@@CharlieDIYte had a quick look online and got a Mac Allister 14.4v on sale. Probably not the best, but should be good enough for my DIY projects. Comes with 2 batteries which should be handy - I had to keep charging the old drill every time I put the kettle on was cutting wood 😂
It's actually 18V, seems great so far. Fired in floorboard screws reasonably flush and able charge one while using the other is great 😊 not bad for just over £40
The battery size was most interesting and informative. Steve
I used to think an impact driver was only for roof screws and a drill driver was for everything else. But since I got an impact driver in a multi tool kit in 2012 I've found that there are lots of bits available in hex shank and that an impact driver is super capable even when drilling wood or metal as long as I have a suitable bit. Nowadays I rarely use my drill at work. So much so that my old cordless drill is hard to find in my van because it's been in disuse for so long that it has vanished.
Thank you. Wow, never realised how important the battery is. And, like you, was very surprised how well the Drill with the big battery faired. Just bought, today, a Ryobi Impact driver,will try it out tomorrow. Very informative video.
Thanks. Yes the batteries are so important. I don't use those 2Ah any more, just 4 and 5Ah. My choice tool though these days is a light 12v drill driver and I use an SDS for heavy drilling into concrete as the hammer action on a combi drill is hopeless for brickwork.
im surprised by the difference of a bigger battery i may need to look into getting a huge battery for my drill and impact drivers. currently both are running on 1.6ah
thanks for the video. very informative.
The bigger battery may be generating more power for you, but the 4 Ah doesn't mean what you say it means. It's simply a unit of total charge stored in the battery. If it is discharging at an average rate of 1 amp per hour it can do so for 4 hours, it is a 4 Ah battery. It's a capacity unit not a unit of instantaneous energy delivery.
He said it correctly, the power available for 1hr. Of course different rates will vary the time.
Thank you been researching soo long and your video is the only one that just explains it and gets right to the point
Thank you so much for this video, I didn't realize the battery had a lot to do with why my drill was not going in all the way
You're welcome. Yes, get yourself a 4Ah better or similar and you'll see a shift in performance.
I have a 18 volt Ryobi Hammer Drill Driver, love that thing.
What battery capacity and tasks do you use it for? Trying to compare it to a bosch before buying. Thanks.
I have the same one.. man, my wife loves it even more.
Great demonstration and the example of the difference of performance with the stronger battery is so important! Thanks!
You're very welcome, Dan. Thanks for the comment!
A TON of useful information on this subject. Great job passing it along so clearly.
Thanks - I really appreciate that 👍
Wonderful explanation, of drills and battery. So much confusion and marketing in selling products and not enough real world knowledge of how tools will perform, thank you.
Thank you! I bought the Ryobi tool set, Drill Driver, Impact Driver, Recirpocating saw, Circular saw. I tried drilling screws into wood on a bridge with the drill driver with the 4 ah battery. It was a challenge to say the least. I didnt finish the job yet. Your video explained issues. I will attempt agian with the Impact driver and 4 ah battery. Your a life saver!
Thanks, that was helpful! Sounds like an impact driver is really worth the investment. I’m building a rock climbing wall, which requires hundreds of screws to keep the plywood in place. I’m getting an impact driver now to make the rest of my day a lot easier!
Yes it will be invaluable for that 👍
can confirm, impact drivers are the way to go for climbing walls. Talk to any route setter at any climbing gym about what they use and i'm sure just about every one of them uses an impact driver. Also the use of an impact driver will help to prevent over tightening of the screws so you won't crack the holds on the wall if you drill them in too much
my dad and i have this discussion all the time. We work together, and he always goes for the drill, for pretty much any situation. When he uses the impact driver, he always strips screw heads, or over-sinks screws, etc ...he just can not seem to grasp the trigger technique required ... he just squeezes the hell out of it, and can not seem to stop. Drives me crazy, lol. I personally only use drills when i have to (for actual drilling of holes), and have been in love with my impact driver ever since i first tried it.
Excellent explanations. This video is the first to help me understand the difference between the Impact and Drill Driver. And the battery tip is icing on the cake. Thank you.
I use an old trick, I keep a bar of soap in my tool box. Just one quick rub of the screw, across the soap, enables me to drive any length screw with my drill-driver. However, I only use 'Robertson' screws (square head), because there's much less likely to slip than other types of screws.
Drills are for drilling and impacts are for driving.
You don't drive many screws obviously.
I'm with you on the screws. I was taking off the siding on a hot tub a while back and they used flathead and Phillips. Both of those need to die. How many times have you stripped a Phillips or destroyed the tip of the bit? And has anyone successfully unscrewed a flathead without the bit sliding out? I use torx screw but only because the store I get my stuff from has them cheaper. Torx and square are the way to go.
Well-rounded explanations. You deserve an 11k likes. It's useful for a beginner like me. Thank you.
Thanks for that! I'll be posting another video in a week or two explaining the difference between drill drivers, combi drivers and impact drivers so keep an eye out for that!
First, i love your British accent. I am a tiny woman who loves DIY. This morning i was trying to drill a hole in a tree stump that i want to remove. My silly low powered drill driver couldn't even scratch the surface. Then i when i went shopping i found all these drills that i had no idea what they all did. Thank you for helping me out. I wish you lived closer. I would knock on your door all the time.
Aw, thanks Sue.👍 Did you find a suitable drill in the end?
@@CharlieDIYte yes i bought both - hammer and impact.
A very detailed and simplified tutorial, information. Thank you. This is helpful...
Those Ryobi make my old 12v Milwaukee look like a beast
Very helpful, I also really appreciated the additional info about the batteries. Very good video !
Thanks. There's a little more info on impacts/ drill drivers in this vid th-cam.com/video/sL-t2Zc4wCs/w-d-xo.html
G’day that was brilliant I’ve just started buying cordless have gone with ozito brand popular entry level here in Australia I knew the difference between impact driver and the drill but knew nothing about batteries love your style and presentation thank you
You're welcome. Thanks for taking the time to comment, mate!
Timothy Fagan , yeah Ozito drill driver with 4 Ah battery excellent so far.
Interesting point about the batteries, However Amp Hour (Ah) is a measure of capacity not capability, Amps is the measure of capability (not same as Ah which is printed on the battery, for instance a 18v drill battery is probably outputting over 10 to 12 Amps under load), obviously the higher Ah batteries have more cells in parallel so can delivery higher Amps, which Ryobi seems to have omitted to mention definitely something worth considering at least with Ryobi tools, I've never noticed any difference with my Makita 1.3Ah vrs 3Ah batteries torque wise, but it's not running on Li-Ion either.
Thanks for that - great knowledge!
Exactly my thoughts! Lithium cells have other specs apart from capacity. The most useful is the amps they can provide compared to their capacity. Apparently ryobi uses cells with lower output in their 1.3 Ah batteries and higher quality cells with their 4 or 5 Ah batteties. If they used the same cells there wouldn't be a difference in their ability to drive a screw. One should also consider the possibility that one of the cells is damaged in the small battery due to age or overuse.
I was thinking about this earlier, and wondering if they use just 5 cells 5S to achieve the 18v with low C output, where with the larger capacity batteries using 10 cells 5S so upping the amps?
Jer Goes you are probably right regarding the cell configuration. Apparently the C output of each cell is lower than the motor's max amperage under load. On the other hand makita is probably using cells that can cover the motor's needs even under maximum load. Of course, one thing to consider is that Ni-mh cells -even the cheaper ones with low capacity -can generally deliver more amps than lithium cells. BTW loved the video. It is useful to see tools being tested under real-life conditions. We now need a video with a teardown of these batteries so we can see the cell's specs and configuration! I will surely open my ryobi 1.3 cell and let you know.
Jer, most of us already know that and consider it bone headed to give a lecture on batteries every time we just want to acknowledge that the higher Ah packs have more capability.
This was been the best video explaining the difference between a drill, driver and impact driver. Thank you!
Thanks. There's a bit more detail in this one th-cam.com/video/sL-t2Zc4wCs/w-d-xo.html 👊
Thanks! Been thinking about adding an impact driver along with my drill driver but couldn't decide if I "needed" one. Yes... yes I do. :)
Well worth it!
Well tbh if the wood is really hard to screw into, you should drill a small hole first, benefits are it's easier to then screw into and it reduces the chance for the wood to crack
Prich038 exactly
This was a power demonstration.
Pilot hole*
It’s been on my list to get another drill (or something) to avoid changing bits constantly. I now know that I need an impact driver. Thank you.
Thank you, Charlie! I’ve been wondering the difference between the two.
""I'm going to show you how much better the impact driver is that a standard drill. Both using 4.0 Ah batteries.
Standard: Screw goes right in.
Impact: Screw goes right in.
"Well, the drill did just as good... impressive. Now! Let me show you the 1.3 Ah battery! Here's where the impact shines..."
Standard: Dies 2/3s of the way in. "See? It just stops moving, entirely."
Impact: Dies 2/3s of the way in. "See? The small battery just isn't strong enough."
Finishes with a 4.0 Ah. "See? The impact driver ran it right in!"
😅 I thought it was just me...
Lol I thought the same honestly. But the point he was trying to make (which can't be seen in the video) is that he didn't have to apply as much pressure on the impact drill as he did with the standard drill.
I came here for the first time, and have subscribed. I was quite confused between the two, turned out you gave bonus about the battery which I was not aware off at all. So from my side super super super like for this video. Love from Pakistan.
Thanks so much for subscribing, and I'm humbled that my message has reached you in Pakistan 👍👏 There's also a video here th-cam.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/w-d-xo.html where I go into more detail of the difference between a drill driver, combi and impact, if you have a moment to watch. Thanks again
Will surely looked at it
Thanks. Just bought an impact on a great sale, and I wasn’t sure it’s what I needed. Turns out it will be perfect for my needs. Great vid!
Same here, wondering why everybody was using them, so bought first, then worked out what it could do for me.
Just got me a Stanley Drill and Impact driver set recently. I will add some 4.0Ah batts for them later on.
Very Helpful Demo on the battery info and the difference between Drill and Impact Driver.
You've used a phillips driver on a pozidriv screw which will make it cam out. See the little diagonal markings around the head?
If you drilled a pilot hole you would get by with a drill driver
Or if he used screws designed to drill their own pilot holes like the self drilling deck screws you can get at hardware stores.
Perfect video. Answers all the questions I had. Thank you so much!
I’m a recent subscriber. Thanks for a great channel. I have the same two Ryobi tools (plus a circular saw and two small batteries - all bought at a kit in a bag) and I use all of them a lot, but have been humming and hawing about a bigger battery - expensive at £75. You’ve convinced me it’s worth the cost. Thank you for a very good and instructional video. Les
Charlie, thank you for explaining the differences between the drill driver and the impact driver. I'm relatively new to DIY and it's the best video I've seen on the subject. The explanation and the demonstration together "drives" the point home for me! Thanks again Charlie and I have subscribed.
Thanks so much Yvonne, and love the pun!
If you have ever tried to drill a hole in masonry brick, you will love an impact driver: worth their weight in masonry bits you burn up trying to drill with a standard drill.
You may be referring to a hammer drill.
What kind of sander that was used please? Does Ryobi finishing sander do the job?
I've been searching through the comments for 10 minutes now trying to figure out what that wood sander machine was, even checked the drop-down area with links. So Critical and crucial this was sad NOT to have and NOT being in any of the information given it's straight womp womp womp failure financially excetera. I gave a thumbs down and I'm subscribed period! because I lost minutes in my life and I'm now back on Google when this guy should have just introduced every tool being used such as He did.... except for the one that turned that nasty piece of wood into a gorgeous unicorn. #wantsomegetsome #Ryobi
Good video. Answers some good questions.
Maybe in another video sometime, something on Phillips bits with Phillips screws versus some of the other bit-and-screw variations that are available e.g. Pozidriv, so that so much downforce on the tool is not needed to prevent "cam out" of the bit. (Phillips was designed for the bit to cam out before stripping out the sheet metal, or breaking off the screw head in thick metal, in installing a part in auto assembly plant operations.)
Also, I often drill pilot holes so that I don't break off screws trying to get them to go all of the way, or so that I don't experience cam out of the Phillips bit before getting them to go all of the way, For me, this saves time in the long run and I have no information that the holding ability of the driven screw is diminished.
I was a faithful user of another brand for years. When I chose to add another tool, they had changed the battery connector. I returned that product to the store. I went to a different store and purchased my first Ryobi. That was nearly 20 years ago. I've added a number of other tools since that first and only one has actually worn out. A few years ago, I added an impact driver. Not only is is faster, but I find that I can drive more screws per battery charge than I could with the drill/driver.
I'm just starting to build my power tool collection and I have the Dewalt set of drill/driver and impact driver. I had no appreciation for the differences between the two. This video was excellent at explaining the differences between the two drivers PLUS the impact (no pun intended) of using different size batteries. THANK YOU so much for the easy to understand lesson & demo!!
You're very welcome Monique, and this vid goes into a bit more detail if you have a moment th-cam.com/video/sL-t2Zc4wCs/w-d-xo.html 👍🏻
A drop of nearly any sort of lubricant on the thread will help driving long screws. It will also help save the screw head and driver bit from getting damaged.
rubbing screw on a bar of soap works too
Candle wax is brill
Having seen the cordless drill driver do the same thing as the impact, I won't be needing an impact driver. I use an Erbauer 18v cordless drill driver and it's served me well. The only thing I'll be changing is the type of drive on longer screws to torx. I'm not taking away the capability of impacts, it's just that my cordless drill does me fine.
Happy Holidays! 👍 🇬🇧
I totally get that, mate - I think that's really sound logic.
To each his own.. I've managed quite adequately (as a DIY'er) with just a drill driver but after seeing this I could have saved so much time and effort over the years. Besides I so need a new toy. Cheers mate, and a very merry Christmas to you too.
@@andyblackpool .. Thanks Andy. Instead of me buying an impact, I'll probably look at a cordless circular saw. Like you, I need a new toy as well.. ☺👍
if youve never had an impact i would recommend it. i even use my impact for a drill half the time it will never stick drilling steel.. heck i even have a jacobs drill chuck for impact... usually keep my countersink bit in it.. also mechanic'n i keep the 3/8 & 1/4 adapter bit for sockets with the most used socket on an it makes dissasembly of parts use far less cuss words not to mention light years quicker... i get using a good drill for carpentry, but the impact is wat i was introduced to when i started metal roofing... those rubber washers cant be smashed and with an impact you have control to slow down the drive speed when the screw is almost there.. hitachi makita or milwaukee. no point in buying anything else unless really...
or bosch.. but ryobi... theyre terrible. i worked for a few diff folks that had em an nothing but dead batteries an poor performance.
Well explained! I upgraded to a Bosch 4AH drill, driver, and reciprocating saw last year and was amazed at the difference in power and how long between charging batteries!
From my experience(as an aircraft mechanic on MD-11's) with impact vs Drill drivers is as follows: If you want to install a screw so it can be removed again, use a drill (with appropriate clutch setting). If you want to remove a screw and have it be useable again, use the impact driver. If you want to destroy the screws/what you are trying to work on, do the opposite. (Drills are fantastic at rounding out screw heads, and impact drivers will simply drive screws in so hard it can actually damage the structure you want to screw into.
Gross oversimplification of sorts, and not at all addressing the operational differences between the two systems, but whatever, I'm tired.
"If you want to install a screw so it can be removed again, use a drill "
"Drills are fantastic at rounding out screw heads",
Ain't both of these statements a bit contradictory ?? if drills make screw heads rounded out then one shouldn't use drill if he wants to be able to remove the screw too.
@@irtzashahanpk it sounds slightly contradictory, but it really isn't if you have experience in the field the way I do.
The drill provides a semi constant force to move a screw (clutch notwithstanding) when putting a screw in, this is fine and good, the screw will move freely until it goes all the way in. When removing screws, however, this works against you, as you are trying to take the stuck screw and make it turn. The constant pressure makes it so that if the drill slips in the head of a Phillips head screw, the bit will keep spinning quickly rounding out the head quite fast.
The impact on the other hand provides bursts of high torque impulses, which are more likely to break screws loose without destroying the screw head the way a drill will.
I know it may sound confusing, but I spent four years doing panels for heavy maintenance at a MRO in San Antonio working MD-11's. What I said really does work.
Good thing impacts have settings on them…….
You can avoid the need of excessive downward force by using torx or any other contemporary screw head designs.
Totally agree Martin, and I have to buy more torx head screws. Thanks for the comment!
I've stripped the heads of MANY star drive deck screws. Same with square drive, allen heads, self tappers, phillips or slot heads, all can strip out. Where the star excels is removing the screw when you've over driven it and there has been enough time for the wood to swell around it. But yeah, now that I re-read what you actually wrote...That's very true.
Now I know!! Thank you for explaining so simply! I have both ...and I’m going to upgrade the battery!
Yes, the shall batteries are great for every day jobs to keep the tool light but for power intensive work you really need a 4 or 5Ah battery in your collection. 👍🏻
i only use Ryobi tools...and only an impact driver...great price and takes a hell of a beating....and they do not walk off the job site as much as dewalt does
Beer lover Couldn't agree more mate - and something the tool snobs should take heed of. You see ridiculous videos on TH-cam where they connect a Milwaukee to a Ryobi and wait for it to start smoking - these tests have no bearing on the ability of these tools day to day on site - and I've got to say, they've never let me down yet! Bought myself one of these recently goo.gl/rhZhs7 - been a revelation for clearing dusty work benches, de-sawdusting circular saws, and of course the garden path!
Watch Skill builder's impact driver showdown. You might learn a thing or 2
I bought a second Ryobi 18v drill. It is nowhere near the quality of my original drill. Hindsight, I should have picked up the hammer drill instead.
No they generally leave site in the bin ;)
There are tool snobs in every trade
Luv it when the tile of the video is dead on, thank you for making this video.
Literally owned that exact driver and had no idea what the intended purpose of the slip clutch was. First 2 minutes of the video and I’m learning.
Glad you found it useful! Thanks for the comment 👍
I own the same Ryobi drill/driver and, fortunately, my neighbor moved and left a few tools behind, so I now own a perfectly good DeWalt impact driver. Now I know the differences. lol (I didn't even know it was an impact driver.) Thank you so much for the video! Subscribed!
"Ah" is the amount of charge stored in battery, ie capacity, has nothing to do with the power (=Watts=Energy delivered per unit time = Current x Voltage). Given that both low and high capacity batteries are rated with the same voltage, 18V, then the high-capacity battery must be delivering a higher current (Amperes) than the other for it to be more powerful. My guess would be that more batteries are connected in parallel to deliver a bigger current as also pointed out by others.
You’re wrong. Watts is power. Correct, but W=VA so the amount of Amps a battery can deliver is directly related to its power. And the amount of Amps it can deliver is also related to it’s capacity. It’s weird how some people just don’t get it. Try this - put two identical batteries in parallel and in series. Do the math - they both deliver the same amount of power. So if you have 5 batteries in series as per the power drill if you add another 5 in parallel you no only have twice the capacity but twice the amount of Watts. Go and look at a battery datasheet. Nearly always power will be given in terms of C(apacity) sometimes both continuous and peak.
I've been using Ryobi products for years. I never thought much about the batteries. Thanks for the info.
You're welcome, Brad. Thanks for the comment. 👍