Vaush Is Wrong About Marxist Theory on Electoral Politics
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#Vaush #Marx #Elections
"Communists must [...] vote [...] bourgeoise parties"
-Karl Marx.
Pretty much what Vaush is advocating in a nutshell
Ah, GlaCUATRO!
@@agentsteve8263 you would still be ruled by a fascist if left leaning ppl didn’t vote for Biden
RCV will change everything
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@CommunistBotno he said that w o the dots
“Socialism will be achieved by Riding with Biden”- Karl Marx
“Vote for Biden”-Vladimir Lenin
"blue no matter who"- Leon Trotsky
@@waddysoap4868 imposter
@@vladimirlenin3562 VLADIMIR ILLYICH ULYANOV!!!
@@julymagnus493 yes
"Vote blue no matter who" - Vladimir Lenin
Is that why his party took red as their color?
Just have Lenin on display to dunk on him.
Vlad Chomsky.
"I'm with her' - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, 1916
@@Micho55 "I'm with her" but it's Rosa Luxemburg
That is a good one. lol XD
Vaush: "Lenin advocated for voting your way into socialism." Lenin: Does a revolution
more like: *does a revolution*
Or a militaristic coup, you mean
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I'm pretty sure his claim was rather that Lenin woulda been pragmatic enough to prepare and work towards a revolution while _in the meantime_ engaging in electoralism to better people's lives best they can.
@@steinmaniac7920 It's not befitting of some p3d0, to ask someone to vote let alone being in a position to advocate revolution
Vaush's study of Marxism can be entirely reduced to having read the first line of State and Revolution that "all the social-chauvinists of today are now marxists" and then closing the book confident on how be a marxist
Lmao brilliant comment
I don't even know how he could possibly do that because the very next line is "(Don't laugh)".
LOL
I'm reading State and Revolution at this moment and Lenin is all like: We should - and I cannot stress this enough - overthrow the state with violent revolution
@@AltroposBased
"I would love to drink Michelle Obama's bathwater" - Fredrich Engels, 1855
Eww. Just ew.
Don't we all, Engels, don't we all
“I am Joe Biden, and I approve this message.”
- Joseph Stalin
uphold Marxism-Leninism-Bidenism!
AAAHAHAHA
Biden will make makno looks like stalin
This but unironically
Biden is a falsifier of both Obama and Clinton
I personally prefer Marxist Leninist Jebism which includes such great praxis as building time machines to eliminate baby Hitler.
Destiny absolutely lost this debate. Wow.
He really failed to falsify the Christian God in this one.
@@Jay-zt1pq Indeed! I was actually an atheist when I started this video. Now, twenty minutes later, I'm a born-again.
I can't believe he said the n-word again... guess he'll never learn
@@Jay-zt1pq Wait what?
What Marx would actually say about the 2020 election:
"Uhh...I'll have to think about that. Can I have a beer first?"
(Ten beers later)
Best comment
And a cigar...
Ten beers later:
"Fuck it. Bakunin was right. Let's just fucking go and smash it all."
If he couldn’t trade up for brandy. Heh
You know the episode of The boondocks where Nelson Mandela wakes up from a coma? That's literally what would happen haha geez
Edit god I meant Martin Luther King I shouldn't type stuff when I just woke up
Vaush treats this like theologian searching through holy texts looking for line to quote to support some modern day position. I think he did this on purpose because that's how he views MLs, as dogmatists who venerate a few great thinkers. So he approachs Lenin/Marx etc. the same way as his version of an ML that is living rent free in his mind.
i have no doubt about this, he thinks he's doing what will bring over the MLs.
it'll work though, for the few choice low hanging fruits he likes to pick on that might actually fall for it! and he'll be sure to show off his token idiot. thus the meme continues
i used to overlook his shit but his ego is getting too big and he's doing dishonest stuff like this, i expect if he doesn't cut it out he's going to fall from grace spectacularly. someone needs to destroy this libtard with facts and logic now.
LMAO, I love Lenin, Marx and all the others, but if what they said in a different context doesn't apply to my country (Brasil), I'll just pass it as being wrong for my context!
And I am a Marxist-Leninist!
He thinks that understanding Marx and Lenin's method is the same as preaching their works as holy text.
PS: you know who else disagreed with Lenin about to how to achieve a revolution? Mao, because China isn't Russia!
@@VictorSchmidt Understanding the texts of Marx, Lenin etc. and adjusting them to your situation isn't the same as using half of the quotes to fit your agenda
I’m no Marxist (though I find some of his ideas useful), so take that as you will. I tried watching Vaush a long time ago and had to stop within the first couple minutes because he came off as a condescending know it all douchebag. Bad empanada is much more nuanced and thoughtful from my experience, but hey what do I know.
@@Tavishication I know that, what i wrote is a critique of Vaush
Honestly Vaush's lack of historical literacy makes a lot of his political stuff really cringe.
he does other things besides political stuff?
The early Labour party was led by Keir Hardie(a coal miner who Engels was not impressed with).....far away from today's democratic party. He even opposed World War I, which was wildly popular at the time.
Which country is that?
@@NyJoanzy England
@@smalllJ thanks.
@@smalllJ Britain more specifically. Hardie was Scottish.
IT'S COMING HOMEEEE
I'm fine with vaush and stuff saying "yes, vote biden, not trump" but when they act as if people have to like it or like its some super correct left wing thing to do and not just an attempt of damage control (that will still hurt a lot of people) thats what I dont like.
Nobody is saying you have to "like" it. In fact, that's exactly the point. Voting is a utilitarian action. Withholding your vote or voting for someone with no chance of actually winning because you want to feel super special about who you're voting for is coming from a place of staggering privilege. Donald Trump is actively harming marginalized communities as we speak and is welcoming fascism to America on a level we've never seen. The argument is NOT that "blue no matter who" needs to be a permanent, all encompassing rule. The argument is that if you aren't going to cast your vote in opposition to literal fascism, please don't turn around and lecture me on what it means to be a "real leftist."
@@spencerhayes4655 don't you fuckinf dare come in here trying to condescend to me
Especially when loads of "leftists" are saying people should vote biden and should like it
And treat everyone else like shit
The way vaush treated indigenous concerns about biden was disgusting
But carry on defending some random youtuber who doesn't care about you at all
@@spencerhayes4655 We're getting literal fascism either way. Could very well be that Biden's brand is the choice that puts off the worst horrors for a few more years. Could be the other way around.
Tell me, "real leftist," have you ever actually looked at Joe Biden's career? Really looked at the way he's voted, what he's supported and opposed? Even what he supported and opposed as vice president? Do you know anything about him? Because I think if you did you'd understand what a terrifying prospect the man as President would be. He hates you. He thinks you should suffer. He's spent his entire life working tirelessly to make people suffer and die and even be enslaved. And unless you can make an argument for Biden being better that doesn't gloss over his long career destroying and maiming and robbing Americans then you have no fucking argument.
So feelings, amirite?
The Exegete I’m familiar with his record and I understand things just fine. I’m not going to argue with that deranged fan fiction of a comment because you pretty much sound like a QAnon follower. Come back to Earth.
I honestly find the state of our movement today... sad, to say the least, and get even more the yearning of having been born 100 years ago rather than now. BadEmpanada is right of course and the Labor party of Britain in the interbellic as well as pre-war era was far to the left of even Corbyn or Sanders, so a comparison between them and the corporate neoliberal Democratic party in 2020 America is completely disingenuous, but what I find most sad about this is that we have 2 communist comrades (BadEmpanada and Vaush) arguing about electoral politics in a world 100 years in the future of the Bolshevik revolution where there are almost no independent workers movements anywhere on Earth anymore! All of our movements, ancom or marxist, are so small and inconsequential we are stuck making choices between democrats and republicans, (I'd go with former) Labor and Tories (former again), German Christian Democrats and Socdems (latter) or American capitalist-imperialist hegemony and Chinese capitalist-imperialist hegemony (latter again) - we are merely choosing between lesser evils in a world of bourgeois parties, neoliberal policies and massive global-scale propaganda by capitalist media conglomerates that erode and corrupt the aspirations and philosophy of working class people for profit and upholding the status quo.
I struggled with depression in my youth and maybe this is why I have become a bit defeatist, but the mountain we have to climb seems too high even if we would all unite and look past sectarian differences. I think part of it also comes from having been born in Easter Europe, (Romania specifically) where communists like me would be openly discriminated against and hated in the post-stalinist decades, and now living in the UK, where even most working class people nowadays have mostly materialistic aspirations, the trade unions are at their weakest in history and people no longer even communicate with each other, walking past their stressful lives with headphones in their ears and downcast pensive faces on crowded commutes, let alone organize, (yes, there are a few decently-sized communist parties that organize protests, but most people that turn up are a few middle class natives and students, not the non-unionized most exploited workers...) but I can more easily imagine 20 scenarios for nuclear war or global civilization-cripling climate catastrophe than a successful workers' revolution nowadays...
If anyone would be kind enough to do so, I'd much appreciate a vision for succesful revolution in our days or at least some positive data about the growth of the radical left - I think it would do as all some good if we'd talk more about strategies of radicalizing people given how few of us there are this century, and not gonna lie I feel there are quite a handful on the left that are as depressed as I am and such discussions might lift a few spirits...
It's almost like leftism has been proven to be a dead end lmao
Get on board and join the system
@@buttlicker7670 Cool.
Wow, how did you manage to grow up in Romania and become a communist?
@@alinadelia60 Fellow Romanian comrade? I think the answer to why I became a communist is multifaceted - I knew a very kind rroma girl in primary school who was bullied by many of my classmates for racist reasons, so that kinda stopped me from slipping towards the far right and showed me the ugly face of those ideas from the beginning, was a bit of a shy history-loving geek that had to deal with bullying myself back then so I felt some solidarity with her and became friends, liked reading extra history so I eventually noticed the pro-nationalist and anti-communist bias in many of our manuals, then as I learned more English I got into historical and political debates online, read Marx's manifesto and was surprised to agree with a lot of his points, and eventually I'd say I fully embraced Marxism after I saw some excellently written articles on the failures of Stalinism AND capitalism by the British Trotskyist organization called the CWI. (I think I was about 16 back then, and now I'm 26, so roughly 10 years ago).
My father was a coal miner in the small town of Uricani in Valea Jiului, so perhaps the accentuated poverty in our region compared to other parts of Romania also put me in a better position to see the ugly face of capitalism, especially with the economic disaster brought about by the mines closing down, (my hometown is now mostly a ghost town, with 90% of the families still living there having relatives abroad that send them money) but mainly I'd say it was self study of political theory on the internet that made me a communist just like watching online videos and reading some blogs eventually made me into an agnostic and then an atheist.
Nowadays I'd say I'm part Marxist part an-com. (I mostly support a democratic worker coops-centric society, but with the state nationalizing directly certain sectors of the economy like fossil fuels, power and pharmaceuticals, so that these sectors may not be run for profit by private cooperatives and replicate some of the worst effects of capitalism) How about you?
@@buttlicker7670 I'd rather die a free man with a clean conscience than become a willing slave to the dystopian capitalist oligarchy. (your account name is quite appropiate tbh...) If 18th century peasants thought like you we'd still be living under absolute monarchies...
He calls himself Bad Empadanda. I'll have you know that the WORKERS are TIRED of BAD empanadas, and actually what GOOD empanadas. WEAR A SUIT.
(this comment paid for by the immortal science of Malupin thought)
@kevin willems borgor
@Jay Blake You would use the content of those who you claim don’t matter.
Makes one no better than the Google corporatism of TH-cam that exploits the hard work of content creators and the exploitation of workers by capitalism generally.
All Empandas Matter?
@kevin willems Holy shit I was literally thinking "What, do you want him to be Caleb Moupin?"
Mr. So Called Bad Empanada...
Also, (IIRC) the reason Marx & Lenin talked about peaceful revolution being possible in the US was because it didn’t have the same kind of industrial military complex embedded in the state that European powers had at that point in time. Now (obviously) this analysis doesn’t apply because of the way the US has changed since their deaths.
Biden's unofficial campaign slogan: "Marginally better, still pretty bad"
it's not marginally better, it's much better in a multitude of issues
@@PS3larosh97 He's a corporate shill who will do pretty much the same shit as Trump, but with a bow around it.
@@pascalsmit8739 Separating children from their families at the border, flouting checks on his power and being supported in this by his cronies in the legislative and judicial branch as well as puppets in the DOJ, constantly spewing racist rhetoric and weaponizing racism against marginalized people through stochastic terrorism, threatening and coming extraordinarily close to war with Iran..
Oh yeah, totally sounds like Biden will do "the same shit."
@@worstelldaniel Out of these, at least two are likely to continue.
Rarsonic Rintil which two?
Just the idea that Marx would say in the 1800s I’m an asshole for not voting for Biden is hilarious
i still cant believe vaush thought that because marx in the 1870s said peaceful revolution might've been possible in some countries meant that such a thing was possible today. lenin destroyed that notion more than a hundred years ago in the renegade kautsky lmao
Part of Vaush's argument is that the Democratic party won't move left because the left doesn't continue to vote for democratic candidates, and only want to move right because center-right neoliberals and boomer-like centrists continue to vote for them, and thus will move a certain way to appeal to those specific voters.
The issue is that clearly, even if centrists didn't vote for Democratic candidates they'd still continue to endorse the same line of neoliberal policymaking because that's simply their platform and it suits their material interests, and suits the interests of the class they're serving. They want both the left vote and the centrist/never-trumper vote, but the they've made it clear that they won't listen to us. They expect our vote by default due to harm reduction. If the left votes for the democrats in large, for Biden, they won't move left because the left voted for them, and they have no obligation to listen to our demands, and for decades they haven't even when we HAVE voted for them. They'll simply keep their same platform unless the DNC membership radically changes into a workers party by effectively replacing all those who serve the ruling class; otherwise they will be convinced that the left will continue to vote for neoliberal policy so long as it isn't fascist policymaking. So long as they serve the interests of the ruling class, they simply will not listen to the demands of the left. Simply voting for the democrats will not make them listen to us. The left needs its own representatives in an admittedly failing system, and the only real chance for a party to appeal to the left and if they truly want the left vote, is to appeal to left-wing interests. Not voting is more likely to show that the DNC needs to curtail to the demands of the left more than simply blindly voting for them and negotiating terms afterwards. If they don't want our vote, then they'll continue their same strategy. They want our vote only in that it's more votes for their party, but they happily rely on being the lesser evil only by a smidgen. Not to say one shouldn't vote for Biden but suggesting the left can pressure Biden and the Dems afterwards is a pipe dream. The only way to pass policy that will fully benefit the working class, in the current system the States utilize, is to have a working class party. Again not saying you shouldn't vote for Biden, but people assume there's more benefits to Biden than there actually is.
Really, I'm convinced Vaush is a Dem loyalist. The dishonestly in taking Marx and Lenin out of context to assume they're talking about a bourgeois center-right party, rather than a labour party, is telling, and any critique of Biden is always met with scorn and "K but vote for Biden or you're just an enabler of fascism" as if the DNC actively neglecting their progressive base and trying a strategy that failed in 2016 isn't enabling fascism. An appeal to individual responsibility and voter shaming. A very liberal tendency.
Of course, that's what local and state elections are for.
I agree that Vaush’s argument here is incredible shitty at best and actively dishonest at worst. However, I do think he has somewhat of a point about not wanting to be the smuggest guy in the mass grave. There is no chance to push for leftie ideas if we’re dead, and allowing fascists to be elected is a damn good way to get yourself killed. I’m not trying to defend Vaush, his argument here fucking sucks. I’m merely wondering what the counter-argument to that point os
Voting for Biden won't bring us closer to socialism lmao
Conservatives: *VOTE BIDEN FOR SOCIALISM!*
But voting trump will bring us closer to climate annihilation
Exray
Voting Biden won’t erase fascism, at best it will delay it for a few years. Fascist sentiment will still exist and right wing politicians planning to take advantage of that will still exist even after trump. The main cause of fascism is the socio-economic conditions the populace are in, and those need a more permanent solution than “voting blue no matter who”.
Even in his own quote mining you can see Lenin distinguishes the labor party (a working class reformist party with bourgeoisie leadership) from liberals.
He literally addressed that in the video he made and in a recent debate. It does not change the core logic at all. The logic Lenin laid out is still applicable
Josiah Harrison it does fundamentally change the logic because a liberal capitalist party and a reformist working class party have fundamentally different class make up. This might not mean a lot to libs, but to us marxists class analysis is rather important.
@@RustyShackleford1066 So you acknowledge that you ignored parts of the content that refuted your initial claim.....
@@buttlicker7670 Cool.
@@buttlicker7670 Please learn some reading comprehension. He acknowledged that part of Vaush's analysis AND gives his reasons why he thinks it is not valid. Again, comparing a more or less socialist reformist party to a socdem at best lib party is bit of a stretch to put it nicely.
Thanks for posting this: Vaush's arguments, when you get down to it, are
spurious, vacuous and ill informed. He hasn't read (or thought) much:
he simply traffics in buzz words and delivers them with an air of
patronizing self-righteousness.
The fact that Marx viewed Henry George as a "transitory evil" (he also dubbed him the "last great defender of capitalism"), is probably evidence enough that he would never have advocated voting for the likes of Biden, as George was considerably more progressive and radical than Biden could ever be. In fact it's rather odd to think that, after years of watching breadtube/lefttube videos, this is the first one that has even mentioned George, albeit in a quote by someone else, when you consider just what a towering figure he was in 19th Century US politics as well as being the last of the great classical economists. In fact, for a man who wrote a bestselling book on political economics (Progress and Poverty), that outsold everything except the bible in North America for a decade, who was voted the third most famous American, after Edison and Twain, and who actually enjoyed far greater influence and popularity than Marx, during their lifetime, very little is spoken of him at all today. Bit of a pity really, as I feel he should be studied alongside Marx, as there is a rare vein of genius running through both men's work, but maybe that's part of why they never managed to get along, still, if someone like George was viewed by Marx so disparagingly, as to be barely tolerated as a leader of the Labour movement, then Biden simply wouldn't get a look in.
"Aside from some very weird Maoists" I feel attacked.
Pardon my ignorance. What exactly is a maoist? What is their ideology?
kicsnasdc their ideology is quite simple. They want to give Mao a nose nuzzle and hug him.
@@RealDemimondaine Head pats for Mao
Lmfao
Thank you comrades. It's always nice to know if one is ignorant of certain subjects, one can always count on awesome people to point me in the right direction to learn.
There's a reason Vaush gets called a radlib.
I did find it strange Vaush said he spent 8 hours reading "the theories" and then put together these paragraphs that seemed to confirm what he went in looking for. I don't believe it's bad faith, just a case of confirmation bias.
So what do you do when you find evidence that confirms what you already believe? Were the statements he pulled wrong?
It's bad faith
@@blarghblargh No it doesn't. And if it does then why is he so afraid to debate Vaush? If he so certain in his critiques then why block Vaush?
@@BadEmpanada You're too ridgid in your interpretations. We don't have a viable 3rd party so we have to turn to the next closest left leaning established party. And while democrats are bourgeois they're still to the left of Republicans
@@BBQcheese Yeah so it would be easier to infiltrate an established left leaning party and radicalize its voters instead of making a new party that no one has faith in and fail at poaching voters from the established parties
Vaush has absolutely no wider frame for what the marxist language he quotes means. And Lenin is completely out of context, considering that the conciliatory measures he is refering to, he took
1. After he was forced to by other bolcheviks who outvoted him
2. After the communists took power
3. With parties that were on the left wing, socialist camp (that they later fought).
It is important to realize that to marxists of Lenin's kind, virtually all other parties are bourgeois or petit bourgeois, including non marxist socialist parties. There is also an analogue to the democrats during Lenin's lifetime: the cadets party. He never supported them.
Also what kind of fool only focuses on what Lenin said rather than what he did?
Vaush forgot that he lives in the imperial core in this video 😔
AHxIntrovert44 It’s exceedingly evident whenever he tries his hand at International Politics.
Vaush is wrong about most things
It was a simpler, more innocent time, a year ago. There were a lot of us then who still wanted to believe that Vaush wasn't the edgelord grifter he turned out to be.
And it's still getting worse.
@@mycaleb8 much worse. Everyday
Lol he mixes up the comintern with the communist anthem at 10:18 - guy clearly not familiar or comfortable w/ Leftist history or terminology.
(Also guys, bourgeois is the adjective/adverb - bourgeoisie is the collective noun.) Glad you had the courage to upload this.
This might be an entirely uneducated take, so criticise me if so, but I feel like vaush has been taken by capitalist realism; he is a syndicalist, not because he actually is doing anything to actually bring it about, but that is his ideal praxis, but as capitalism seems unable to be broken, it stays forever an seemingly unrealistic end. For the time being, (which stays this way, for no one wants to try and move beyond it, because it seems impossible to), the only feasible option is to just promote harm reduction.
If I lived in the US I’d probably vote for Biden, but voting for him isn’t even neutral, it’s still voting for something which stands in opposition to our actual goals. I’d just do it for harm reduction. Vaush also really lets himself down by letting his ego get in the way, and I don’t mean to say that as an attack on him, but rather constructively as I want him to be able to be as good as he possibly can be.
Capital Realism is a real bitch.
In this video Vaush was DESTROYED by facts and logic.
Vaush is pretty openly a rhetoritician. He's decided on his position and wants to win, whether he lies in that pursuit is not relevant to him. That being said, how sloppy this argument was makes it pretty clear that he's not interested in cultivating an audience that includes people who check his claims with any kind of rigor.
Not really, he has specified that he does this to make people on the right or the center lean left, these kind of people would listen to a guy who makes the other guy look like an idiot, and it works, and he hasn't thrown good arguments out of the window
Vaush himself has admitted that he doesn't care about being right, he just wants to rhetorically sound like he's winning and/or correct. So I would have to agree with you because the man himself has said it's true. Have either of you watch his live streams? He flagrantly bans anyone who annoys or disagrees with him. He's a petulant manchild who spends upwards of 5 hours a day on average live streaming to his fans and looking for things to get upset about.
@@TaddiestMason I mean, he usually bans people who are either trolls, right wing extremists or tankies, he doesn't just ban anyone who asks a question
@@TaddiestMason Sounds like Nietzsche's approach: 'The falseness of an opinion is for us no objection to it.'
Exactly. Debate is good, but it has its flaws.
I can't stand Vaush's pseudointellectual tone. It's great to see you tear him apart.
Vaush: "Lenin advocated for cooperation between reformist and bourgeois parties"
USA two party system: *exists*
Vaush: Yes just as Lenin said
Vaush in next video:
BiDeN iS aCtUaLLy a MaRxIsT LeNiNiSt wHiCh MeAnS BiDeN iS a TaNkiE !!!
i mean, in the absence of a viable workers party, voting for the liberal party who it will be easier to advocate for socialism under the administration of, and is more likely to pass the electoral reform that would allow for a socialist party in the first place.
Maybe this is semantic, but "reformist" may actually be a pretty damned low bar given the status quo and recent events. Basically any party that won't actively and belligerently undermine the legitimacy and ability for elections to function is 'reformist' in the US. A lot of comments here seem to mischaracterize Vaush's arguments in favor of "making Trump loose" as a categorical directive to always vote Democratic, now and forever. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think he would actually affirm if you asked him whether voting Democratic in every election going forward will guide us to a worker's paradise or whatever.
@@needthistool he definitely would not. The point is to fight for socialism under liberal democracy and not under fascism
@@brianstevens5547 @Seldom Needy Do you think the attempts to undermine democracy stop with Trump? If you even think he's worse than Bush and Cheney were in this regard you're ridiculously mistaken. Trump is mostly bluster and rhetoric when it comes to do that. People like McConnell are the people who really get things done. Getting rid of Trump will solve nothing, because once Joe Biden does the Joe Biden thing, we'll probably get an even worse Trump. It might buy us more time, or it might lead to a worse and even more successful reaction .Only time could tell that.
I had a strong feeling that there was a lot of context vaush left out of his video, but I need to point this out. When Marx and Engels wrote this stuff, there wasn't a 2 party (2 bourgeois parties) system in the US. We had several parties when they were alive. It changes how to look at their material in a modern context.
What I really want to know is whose beard is better, objectively speaking
@Neil Vesely ok but does vaush kinda look like fidel.
the answer is no. so i give this to empanda.
Marx
@@charlesmcbride7179 Kropotkin beard > Marx beard
That doesn't necessarily mean Kropotkin > Marx, that's due to different reasons...
Vaush has a nice full beard, but empanada has a beard that looks good when grown out.
I read a bunch marxist theory and Marx, Engels, and Lenin support my argument that Empanada has the superior beard
I didn't think this would turn into a video lol oh boy
It is a huge relief when you realize Vaush is ill-informed on basically everything.
Ten years Vaush has been living rent free in my toilet. After I flushed. Him.
"The entirety of your brain is contained in my asshole for the next 6 hours or so"
you ever notice the left always needs to strategically vote and never the centre vote left strategically?
Holy duck, I never thought about it that way!?!?!?!?!
It's is ALMOST like we're an ideology on the FRINGES OF THE OVERNTON WINDOW and not strategically voting would make us POLITICALLY IRRELEVANT.
Even the most brain rotted faci-rat can understand this, why can't the broader Left?
Is this supposed to be an enlightened take? Like no shit. We’re living under a capitalist hegemony so the right/center will *always* be given the leeway.
“You ever notice...” Grow up 😂 Are you all 15 year olds that can’t understand this simple fact and view this all as a sport where “these meanies aren’t playing fair!”? Is this all petty aesthetics to you?
@@kjartanorri1763 lol, the point is we capitulate to the right, and never the other way, so the democratic party only creeps further right. How is always going along with right wing Dems really helping push the party left?
Who do you think needs to convince more people to win in this scenario
@@summ1elz416 Material conditions for the most vulnerable are always going to be better under the democrats than under the republicans. objectively. and not only in the US but many, many countries
I remember when vause was loved by ppl for being an open leftist, and now it feels like he just doesn't stfu.
How vaush still has a platform, and got one in the first place, is mind boggling
I don't think Vaush is a true leftist. I think he saw an opportunity to make some money and rolled with it. His beliefs are 'what gets me clicks'.
Yeah, that video felt like a celebrity trying anything at hand to validate their opinion
Remember, Vaush is a rich Hollywood child. Remember where he comes from
Vaush is not an expert on marxist theory, not that surprising
But he has a bachelors degree that he never fails to mention
@@rust44 yes, yes, he has been trained to understand studies and critique methodology because he is a sociology major.
I'm unironically enjoying listening to leftist having a back and forth on Marxism and theory.
I wish it wasn't so divided with sport team factions and blocking each other on social media. It's a little toxic but at least the ideas are being discussed.
There's nothing more toxic that ideological debates. There's a reason there were 4 internationals (5 if you count the mlm one)
@@dr.nosborn6330 That's not to do with "toxicity". If we're materialists then we have to do materialism, and not always fall back so much on shitty individual or even group behaviors, not that those count for nothing. The political and historical factors have a curious habit of being more decisive than tone and an individual's capacity for empathy.
So let's ask ourselves about the causes for formation or splits:
1st: Irreconcilable theoretical, strategic and tactical conceptions over the role and significance of the modern working class between Marxists and anarchists, or mere toxicity?
2nd to 3rd: Irreconcilable theoretical, strategic and tactical conceptions over how to grow a mass movement within capitalism _while_ avoiding cooptation and adaptation to the system, over the very existence of imperialism, over the nature of social revolution as emergent or prepared... or just toxicity?
3rd to 4th: Irreconcilable, theoretical and tactical conceptions over Lenin's understanding of the relationship of world revolution to the specific conditions in a given country, over how to develop economically without stifling party democracy, all in a context of imperialist isolation... or just toxicity?
When Trotskyists are being found headless in rivers, or disappeared in camps in Spain by Stalinists, are we still in the realm of "toxicity" or is something much more profound playing out here?
@@janosmarothy5409 Fascist sympathisers get the icepick too.
@@therat1117 stop reading Grover Furr, try reading actual historians moron
Vaush is known as a Wikipedia "researcher".
why do you hate vaush I still like him and agree with the vid
@@opulentsardonicist8240 I don't like him because he's admitted that he will support right wing policies when (not if-Vaush said WHEN on the stream I saw it on) passed by Biden with the argument: "it's not as bad as Trump would have been" which, while probably true, undoubtedly counters his smug assertion that this is how we get leftist policies enacted into law-by supporting the Democratic candidate always and even defending them if they enact Republican policies anyway. He's a Democratic Party "vote Blue no matter who" loyalist who smugly condescends to anyone who doesn't agree with him and thinks those that disagree with him are stupid or being childish. He's arrogant as hell and it's infuriating because he's not only often wrong, but thinks anyone that disagrees with him is incorrect and must be destroyed rhetorically or convinced to see things the way he does-he can never agree to disagree because he starts every conversation/debate/argument from the position that he is correct and works back from there.
@@TaddiestMason there’s a difference between “vote blue no matter who” to minimize damage and “DEFEND blue no matter what or who” which is what Vaush does.
He got really upset watching this on stream today.
He only reacted to this recently? Where can I watch it?
@@k.3004 This is the vod, i don't expect him to upload a video bout it on it's own though. th-cam.com/video/bxn2aNbqa6w/w-d-xo.html
@@1997lordofdoom "debunked"
@@1997lordofdoom He didn't debunk shit Karl Marx literally advocated for revolution.
I don't understand why anyone would care about whether or not Marx would vote in this election honestly. I'm tired of people trying to base all their decisions on what he would do. Even as forward-thinking as he was, his perspective becomes less relevant with every day that he's been dead for the last 140 years.
It's the leftist version of "what would jesus do"
I would imagine, if anything, Marx because increasingly more relevant. I think we can confidently say that individuals treat Marx as gospel, realize that’s not really a good thing, but also be nuanced enough to realize that Marx was/is very insightful for many political moments.
@@MrDinghus
« (Marxism/materialism) has not lost a bit of relevance with time because it's a scientific approach to understanding the world, not an ideology.»
Do you you have any scientific justification for dialectic?
I'm not saying that marxism is not relevant, but this "marxism is the objective truth of the world" idea is pure dogmatism, not too different from a religious cult.
And while on the topic of dialectics, remember the idea of praxis implies theory is never complete. Practice and theory should inform and improve each other continuously.
This aged well.
I can’t get over the argument Vaush makes at the end of his vid, the one where he talks about where the battle for socialism takes place. That argument makes so much sense to me and it was not addressed here. It makes total sense to vote for Biden, although Vaush does like to make him seem better because he doesn’t like to equate trump and Biden. But in the video Vaush even says specifically about the Democratic Party that functionally for workers they are the same, albeit with a few strings. The whole point he was trying to build is that a vote for Biden is a vote for Neolibralism while a vote for Trump is the start of the vote for Facism. I just don’t see how that argument is wrong, and I have no idea about any of his quotes and they context they are in, but that argument makes sense to me without any quotes.
Dear, neo-liberalism is already in the "one step to fascism" stage.
Neiliberalism is the opening stage of fascism.
You don't want to vote for Biden
@@DanRyzESPUK bro, do you even lift? Oh, I meant read))
Also worth noting is that pretty much this exact situation HAPPENED IN RUSSIA IN 1907. In the St Petersburg elections, the fascist Black Hundreds were among the candidates, as were the centre-right bourgeois Cadets (and other parties including the Bolsheviks). Lenin wrote AN ENTIRE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE about how supporting the Cadets against the BHs was counterrevolutionary, how the Cadets constantly worked with the BHs in parliament (wink wink nudge nudge) especially against the left, and even how the threat of the BHs was a complete invention by the Cadets to win votes from leftists. Literally how could Lenin be any more clear? It gets even funnier when these kinds of electoralists quote a different article by Lenin written less than a month earlier attacking the Mensheviks for being hypocritical.
I really hope Vaush is just dumb, because the alternative is that he is deliberately misleading his audience. Though, I suppose it could be both.
Yeah, it's probably both
As some other people have said I think it's a case of confirmation bias. He was looking for something, found stuff that looks like it supports what he was looking for and rolled with it without questioning it further.
It's confirmation bias mixed with his own ego.
no he's normal, but wrong on one thing. IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE SMART< AND AND BE GENUINELY WRONG ON ONE THING
Why does Vaush emphasize so many random words? Lol
This is ironically a position Vaush agrees with Bob Avakian on.
He himself is is a grand example of "Cult of Personality Thinking", not just because there is a huge cult of personality around him, but because he also welcomes that around people like Contra Points, who also loves to completely ignore critique by other trans people. It's the liberal American Mind-Prison, in which you always swarm around some kind of entrepreneur. And this is how he uses Marx, Engels, Lenin and Mao too. In his mind, MLs are "People who like Daddy Marx and Engels, so if I find a quote where Lenin said a thing I want to convince people off, then I will use that to change the minds of MLs." Which is of course not how it works. He is a sociologist, he should know how theory works.
What makes Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotzky, Mao, even writers like Bakunin and Kropotkin interesting, isn't who they were, but what they wrote, the ideas and perspectives within it. Which is also why Marxists don't care whether or not Marx had an odd relationship with women. It literally doesn't matter.
Thanks for making this Bad Empanada, I was thinking of doing it myself, I saw that video and just thought, "oh fuck."
100% on point! Everyone is going to get some things right and some things wrong. But Vaush has been getting a lot wrong and no one has to called him out effectively until now. Thank you
Damn would love for you two to discuss this topic further on a stream
would love for you to stop thinking that watching internet bloodsports is doing politics
@@the_exegete nothing wrong with having discussions, "bloodsports" lmao wtf
@@alvinanis3006 There is something wrong with discussions with the likes of Vaush, who care nothing for facts and sound argument and much for performative cruelty.
@@the_exegete No I doubt that. I think BadEmp and Vaush can certainly have a reasonable discussion if things are approached well.
@@alvinanis3006 my point is that vaush will not approach it well because he never does when dealing with a person who has no clout for him, like no shit if vaush acted entirely contrary to his established pattern things could be good, but unfortunately he is vaush and not a better person
I believe the key issues comes from the nature of American democracy compared to the parliamentary systems referred to in the Theory (I haven’t read much, so I’m extrapolating this from both this vid and Vaush’s stream). The nature of America’s First Pass the Post election makes creating a distinctly Pro-labor party effectively impossible. In the absence of that, it would be preferable to push for the Bourgeois Party over the party teetering on the brink of Facism. After that, you fight to make third parties viable and/or replace the bourgeois aspects of the DNC to make it pro-worker. So I see your point on the quotes not necessarily meaning what vaush says, but at the same time, I can see how the abstraction still fits with voting for Biden in this election.
First past the post is honestly such a convenient excuse for the entrenched political establishment and as an excuse always pushes the idea of an independent workers party down the pipeline indefinitely. With neocons supporting Biden I genuinely do not understand why people think they're less fascist. Imo they're just better at hiding it under the facade of "democracy"
@@benignentity what's truly terrifying is that the majority of Americans would be okay with fascism.
Thank you for saying this. I feel like he really kept sticking to this, "But the American democratic party isn't an independent labor party argument." And the only thing I could think of the whole time he said that is that we don't have an independent labor party, but that doesn't mean you can't extrapolate from these lines that voting for a shit dude to stop a literal fascist will probably be more beneficial to the working class then rolling over and letting a literal fascist get into power. The fact that Bad Empanada half way admits that voting for Biden might actually not be a bad idea was kind of telling to me. If that is the conclusion that he ultimately comes to, does he expect me to believe that that conclusion bares no relation to his own theoretical analysis of Marx and the socialist movement in general? I also felt that Bad Empanada was trying to suggest that Vaush secretly wants us to go out and actually invest personal time into the democratic party when really he is just telling us to fill in the bubble next to his name. Before I go into this next argument, I just want to admit that I haven't read any of these texts that they are referencing, but I have read my fair share of Marx and other leftist theory.
So I might be way off base on this but I also fail to see how supporting a bourgeois party to overthrow monarchy isn't similar to voting for a bourgeois party to stop the fascists from gaining power. I know that feudalism represents a certain historical stage of development in Marxist theory that must be overcome with bourgeois democracy. But I think one could argue that the rise of fascism also represents a certain historical stage in capital's development (i.e. when capitalism starts to hit a point of decay and rot, it starts to resort to fascism as a defensive reflex) that also must be overcome if we hope to move into a socialist society. In other words, both arguments are essentially saying due to humanity's current stage of historical development, it might be beneficial to form a temporary alliance with people who don't actually represent your class interests in order to place the working class on a better historical trajectory. I really like Bad Empanada, but this struck me nothing more than a take down of Vaush and not an actual analysis of the US elections. In other words, this is just a dumb wrestling match between theory nerds and nothing else. I honestly don't really care who is right and who is wrong about these quotes. I'm honestly still trying to plow my way through Capital and haven't moved to these more obscure works yet.
love this channel
I mean he also had a conversation with a Portuguese viewer and after it was over he tells his stream that he thought Portugal was in South America. I think that Vaush is generally good in the sense that he effectively advocates for socialism, but his complete unwillingness to understand history or economic theory leads to some very cringe takes.
@@BBQcheese Voting for Biden is simply a matter of harm reduction. It doesn't make him not a socialist.
@@BBQcheese Then I have no idea what you are talking about. As far as I know he has always been critical of the Democratic establishment.
@@roborovskihamster5425 watch his debate with bastiat, he didn't really do a good job there
yeah it wasnt a great take on vaushes part. I think one of the reasons it comes off as so bad and out of context is that its mostly aimed at a very small vocal minority of leftists who DO think "what would marx do" like its a religion. I think a lot of his points were prepped as counterarguments to that community and squarely missed his audience and any leftists who actually engage with theory academically.
Tl;dr: It was a shitake made for brainlets. And anyone with half a brain could contest it.
I seriously think that Vaush made this video in order to one up his harshest critics on the left (who already despise him) rather than to critically examine these Marxist thinkers' approach to electoral politics and to apply them to the material and political realities of today
Let me assure you, nobody is refusing to vote for Biden based solely on theory.
Reminds me of Nozick's debate-like thought experiments though, doesn't it? Tried to invent a theoretical framework for extreme position as a side in a debate, ended up providing the jurisprudential framework for an-caps and neo-liberals, shoddy as it may be. Even if what you said is true, it's still not a good move, regardless of looks.
Also, why focus on this small minority of leftists in the first place, when there is a risk of tens of millions of potential voters not participating in November? This whole exercise seems ungodly arrogant on his part.
the machine is built such that trying to form a workers party is possible but impractical. significant voter reform is needed to make a workers party workable in america. in the us, barring extenuating circumstances, we have to work towards social democracy first, which is a doable ( to an extent) within the dem party, as are some voting reforms.
In literally any other election, vote third party or don’t vote. the current president is an immediate existential threat to the existence of a leftist movement in the us and every vote counts. Vote Biden against a fascist, vote third party against anyone else.
A good strategy from this standpoint would be to have progressive democrats of the Bernie sanders type actually EXPOSE its contradictions while on the campaign trail expose the other democrats, and when they lose the primary (as they will), they take all their donor money and default to a 3rd party (such as the green party, or an actual socialist party for that matter). Much much better strategy, but first we need to run democrats that aren't partisan hacks.
Fellow Traveler dem party hypocrisy on blm could, with a significant progressive faction, make libs more socdem
@@fellowtraveler2251 "but first we need to run democrats that aren't partisan hacks. "
That seems like the most important part of your strategy, yet the most difficult to achieve.
Comment edited for clarity.
@JohnnyGotHisGun
And why wouldn't it work? Please enlighten me liberal. One of the biggest problems with 3rd parties is that they lack the funds, but by pumping tens of millions of dollars into them, you can pay for advertising, and with enough % of the vote, they can start getting federal funding, and over time grow to become a legitimate threat to the hegemony of the 2 party duopoly.
But Biden is a fascist himself as well. He is a bit more subtle about that though.
Even as someone who typically enjoys Vaush's content, this was really disappointing to see from him.
Don't watch him, he's a FBI undercover agent.
“To clarify, before you get mad...”
Vaush: Triggered
That Engels quote about monarchies was literally a full refutation of his whole theory, I thought I was hallucinating, it says the fight begins when the monarchy falls, where's the monarchy??
Vaush is the Liberal version of Kent Hovind. Change my mind.
Even that's a stretch. Kent Hovind at least has some chuckle worthy jokes.
One's a murderer the other is less of murderer!!!!! It's that simple!!!!!
you should debate him.
love both your and vaush's content, would love to see a hashed out debate.
no matter who is correct, vaush would win, such is the nature of internet debate. the more experienced person generally wins
Most talking heads on TH-cam have not a clue on how to conduct an actual debate. They just have "contentious conversations", or however you wish to call it.
@Foul Gerbil yeah but debates are about power play and rhetoric, its a skill which vaush definitely has
@Foul Gerbil Untrue. A debate is about who wins. In a debate, using otherwise impermissable argument and fallacies is encouraged, as long as it is well conceiled and brings you to the win state, which all parties involved agree is the purpose of the debate. It is thus useless as a metric to meassure the strength of one's arguments.
A discussion aims at attaining mutual understanding or common truth. A debate aims at winning.
@Foul Gerbil Go tell that to Vaush, not Empanada.
I've never seen an anarchist defend Joe Biden on an almost daily basis like Vaush does.
I support harm reduction voting because Biden will be at least slightly better than Trump, but there's a huge difference between that position and actually defending Joe Biden and vote shaming anyone who doesn't agree like Vaush does.
That’s because Vaush is not an Anarchist and keeps flip flopping on his leftist positions.
@Aadarsh Ghosh I mean Vaush has a total settler colonialist mindset and has a fuckload of white privilege.
@@shockwave2291 He's sounded more like a Vote Blue No Matter Who SocDem over the past few months despite bashing Joe Biden on a daily basis when Bernie was still in the race!
Yeah, real anarchists have more problems with the Democratic party than Trump tbh
@buttlicker that’s kinda one reason why anarchists are disregarded a lot at the table. The bad takes makes everyone walk away early.
“Man I’m so tired of hearing orange man bad, I think the democrats are worse because they are taking people away from our praxis.” That’s basically the same stuff I hear from centrists and it says nothing helpful.
The two party system in the United States actually cannot be overcome without other changes in the way American elections work. There has never been a viable third party in the United States. Throughout our entire history, there have been two serious political parties at any given time. This is a mathematically inevitable result of how American elections work, and cannot be overcome without election reform.
And which of the two major parties would be more likely to support that?
@@KJMac-mn8lf I support revolution, but I'm not expecting one by the end of this year so it doesn't factor into my decision.
they are both equally unlikely to support it what the fuck are you talking about. Neither the dems or the reps will support reform that empowers third parties because it's a direct threat to them, the only way any kind of reformist agenda can happen in the US is if one of the major parties is broken and its base can coalesce around a new party (something which actually has happened o few times historically) but that will never happen if the dems are consistently rewarded for sliding to the right.
Neither of them. www.salon.com/2020/08/20/democrats-wage-legal-offensive-to-kick-green-party-candidates-off-ballot-in-high-profile-texas-races_partner/
@@Squeejee09 the democratic partly certainly will not support alternative voting methods or voting reform. I do however think it's true that more socdems in that party could potentially shift it towards supporting reform, but I'm also worried we're running out of time because of climate change.
In Maine we have ranked choice voting which has removed a lot of the stress around voting in third parties, but it doesn't apply to presidential elections. If more states could opt into rcv we could actually fill Congress with third party candidates even if the presidential race is still only bipartisan. And to add credence to the idea that rcv isn't upheld by the democratic party, mainers have been forced to vote to keep the rcv system no less than three times and the current Dem party candidate for Senate seat is not in favor of our new system.
I think Vaush’s mistake is trying to engage in theory overnight. That’s not his field. But he made other, very reasonable arguments in the video, like this one.
I just gobbled all the Vaush stuff up and now I'm conflicted. Thanks for your take as always, empanada. We need you (and Vaush).
In fairness to Vaush, these theorists have 100000s of differing views over their lifetimes due to their ideological development and the changing material conditions of their time.
Why do we need Vaush? What purpose does he serve?
@@thequickbrownfox7604 winning over fencesitters, improving rhetoric amongst leftists...
@@mohanjanisthere add winning over some red-pillers, too.
Papi Chulo no offense but Hakim and viki aren’t approachable to the fence-sitters, the first thing you see on both of their channels is a bunch of hammer and sickles. Hakim isn’t even good at getting a point across, he explicitly called all flavors of socdems infantile IN HIS TITLE.
I loved watching this during the Biden presidency and feeling happy I left Vaush behind once he blathered this bullshit...
How're you feeling now with Biden's pro-union NLRB and rhetoric?
@@stormburn1 not much different; this video is over 3 years old, and the presidential campaigning is beginning.
I have heard it described as deciding who you want to fight.
"Vote blue no matter who" - Karl Marx
10:17 communist internashyionalee
All I learned from watching your and Vaush's videos is that I should just read theory and assess it myself and come to my own conclusion.
@@BadEmpanada Sorry, my original comment sounded dismissive to you both. I think you're both smart dudes and great content creators - I just feel it's a good method to look at the assessments of others and also to delve in yourself and then consider them all before settling on your stance.
@@tonguesinc.8233 Wow, what a condescending, smarmy thing to say. You act as though allowing yourself to be easily influenced by bad ideas is somehow noble.
@@tonguesinc.8233 There is no bothsidesism here. Vaush was fundamentally full of shit.
@@Andi_Frost_XPR0PR18 What? Bro all I’m saying is that you shouldn’t take any TH-camr’s interpretation of theory as truth just because you like their content. Chill.
I love how Vaush is SOO confident and condescending while simultaneously being utterly incorrect on just about everything. It just shows how people like Vaush pick and choose what to believe and say to fit their delusional word view. I would rather believe this is the case than him just being a pathological liar. He and others like him take these far leftist views and treat them as dogma, and there usually isn’t reasoning or debate with people’s faith.
Vaush is so wrong about lots of things
Vaush's main contribution to the left seems to be destroying the brain cells of people who interact with him, and making radlibs think they get to call themselves anarchists.
Great video. Would love to hear any early thinkers ideas about the first versions of fascism and how they'd suggest to combat it
I agree with you for the most part but what you didn’t mention, though it seems that you understand it, is that we are facing unchecked fascism. So while the dems may not share our long term goal, they are the only means to our short term goal of defeating fascism. The goal of a Marxian revolution should be fought voluntary and the only strategy that has worked is the Sanders/AOC tactic of running as a Dem but pushing leftist policy. Vaush is attempting to reconcile anti-facism with his leftist political position. However flawed it might be, it is necessary.
Boys boys, keep it on the Twitter timeline
3:17 I think I even quoted this passage in Vaushs 'On Screen' chat among other quotes...
I still think people should vote for harm reduction, i.e. Biden, but I'm not gonna shame anyone who votes the way they want to.
what if they want to vote Trump?
But we have no labor party? The only thing meaningfully approaching that is the Democratic party. Our system is such that it more or less prevents third party viability. So when one says that the labor party should join with the liberal party to defeat a right wing party it's because the right wing party is that bad. What it reasonably implies to my mind is that defeating right wing parties takes immediate priority. Especially when they are this fucking bad.
I'm personally not very concerned with whether Marx or Lenin would support voting for Biden. Because they are long since dead men who existed outside these systems.
I'm worried about the immediate threat that is Trump.
And let's not pretend that either Lenin or Marx foresaw the fucking ideological train wreck that the Soviet Union became or the god damn effective propaganda of the early 20th century fascist. We are still trying to rehabilitate the ideas of socialism and communism especially in the U.S.
Funnily enough the people voted to keep the soviet union, but by what ive read is sad liberals still want to be here
A huge breathe of fresh air this video is
I think that Biden would probably be better than Trump on a handful of issues important to me, like Cuba, but this trend from a lot of commentators to bend reality to get people to vote for him shows a lack of integrity.
Read the DNC platform, particularly around foreign policy, and you'll be second guessing yourself real quick. I know I did
I'm not sure about that. In fact, I'm not sure at all that a Biden term is going to be better than a second Trump one, especially thinking in the longer run.
vaush ??? wrong ??? colour me shocked
no vaush is usually right, but you don't lieky his leftist views so you makea thisa jokea
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Watching that dude gives me a constant headache.
@@AbdallahTeach shutup american
Thank you SO much for this video
I clicked like on both of your videos. That means the two of you need to debate on this. It's Physics.
summary:
Marx/Lenin/Engels advocate for:
a)
i) participating within a liberal democracy
ii) specifically within an explicitly labor/worker’s party
b)
i) conciliatory practices to even liberal/bourgeois parties
ii) from the position of an established worker’s party. especially in the case of the bourgeois party in opposition to a feudal/monarchal institution
Vaush takes a)i) and b)i) and combines them to say that we should operate within the liberal democratic party. Or worse, vote for them no matter what.
Marx and Engels knew nothing of the climate crisis or the nuclear threat. Theres simply no time to start all over again.
That quote at 3:40 is genuinely mindblowing. I don't think I have ever been so called to action by a quote before tbh, thank you for sharing it.
In my humble opinion, a very basic problem with Vaush, and others like Vaush, is that they're too hung up on the aesthetics of intellectualism. I don't personally doubt their conviction or commitment - that's not for me to do - but, that said... They platform themselves as thought leaders, hence their primary formats, streaming and debate, and their often-appearing obsession with "intellectual superiority" and their being so much "smarter" than the conservatives they debate - as well as the leftists that don't share their point of view. And no, paying lip service to being humble and inclusive isn't enough, it's evocative of "woke brand" rhetoric. It's heart-breaking to me, not because I have never and would never have done it, but because I have done it myself. For years. And I only now see how wrong, arrogant, foolish and vain I was, to think I knew everything and was so goddamn "smart." I wasn't, obviously. Just superficially knew a lot of different things.
Much like I did, they all end up inevitably falling in the same intellectual traps as all those who use these methods (as evidenced by those that do it primarily on the right, such as Ben Shapiro): misappropriating theoretical points and even singling out evidence such as statistis to make half-baked arguments in support of half-thought positions that will project their wits and establish themselves as thought leaders, demeaning other peple supposedly on their corner with rationes ad personnam to boost that profile even more, and so on... In short, doing everything to rise to the top as la crème de la crème, the purest brand, of the Left. So hierarchical. So vain. So non-leftist. I mean,to hear words such as "stupid", "smarter" etc so often... Let alone what you just underlined.
Again. Refreshing to see an actual scholar at work, regardless of ultimately agreeing or disagreeing with the arguments presented. As I commented down below, instinctively... Thank you. I hope you eventually rested well and that everything went smoothly with that appointment. Looking forward to your videos, just as always. Keep schooling us as best you can on what you know. And if you can help it... Try really hard to avoid becoming like that, please.
"De pie, cantar que vamos a triunfar!"
Very well put!
@@geauxklaus3589 Various comrades on- and off-line have been schooling me well for a while, it seems. I hope I do them justice. :)
@@charalampostsakirides-pala2761 I'm positive justice was served to them :)
@@geauxklaus3589 Fingers crossed. Like certain labour implements, maybe. xD
@@mysticonthehill Self-honesty is the most difficult thing of all. Can't imagine I have even scratched the surface.
Why the fuck he quoting Engels on monarchy? What does this have to do with anything?
Man when I last watched Vaush he was very anti-electorialism & was like accelerationist almost, talking all the time about a supposed violent revolution that was gonna happen & now he’s like “vote blue guys! Electorialism Beats fascism!” Like the fuck happened?
(Not saying the earlier position was good, I just think it’s funny how he flipflopped between 2 rly silly positions)
Man that makes so much sense. He hates MLs because the ones he knows locally probably bullied him out for being a performative dolt. That's why he spends all his time now attacking leftists.
Excellent video, got my sub.